The Night Shift (10/23/2025) "My Only Lock Is JAIL"

Summary

The Antihero Podcast – Night Shift (10/23/2025) “My Only Lock Is JAIL”

Release Date: October 24, 2025
Main Theme:
A candid, roundtable-style discussion blending frontline perspectives on law enforcement, military, sports, and culture, delivered with the trademark irreverence and unfiltered authenticity of the Antihero crew. This episode shines a spotlight on the massive NBA/FBI gambling bust, the intersections of addiction and first responder experiences, the realities of policy and administration within policing—and includes personal stories of triumph over trauma.

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Episode Participants

• A (Mike) – Host, ex-cop, meme lord (Copville)
• B – Co-host, “The Calm One,” Antihero
• C (K9) – Guest, host of Counterculture Sports
• D (The Biblical Hitman) – Firefighter, podcast host, theology focus
• E (Tyler) – “High Order,” Marine, veteran-owned apparel founder
• F (John) – Marine, ex-cop, fitness coach, resiliency advocate
• G (Barbara) – Special guest, advocate for wrongfully indicted cop Salvatore "Sal" Aldradi

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Episode Overview

The episode opens with humorous banter before diving straight into breaking news: the NBA/FBI gambling and racketeering scandal ("Operation Royal Flush"). The hosts analyze implications for pro sports, dissect the connection between high-stakes lifestyle and personal downfall, and invite guests to share first-person testimony on addiction, mental health, and recovery. Later, an emotional interview with Barbara, mother of an embattled police officer, illustrates the cost of political prosecution on families. The crew closes with a barrage of viral police videos, agency gossip, discussion on the legitimacy of online fame, and a raw dialogue about trauma, support, and brotherhood in first responder communities.

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Key Discussion Points & Memorable Moments

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1. NBA / FBI Gambling and Racketeering Bust (04:47–13:45)

• Operation Royal Flush: A multifaceted bust targeting an illegal gambling ring that ensnared NBA players and organized crime families.
  • “Half of it was like point shaving and NBA players... The other half was X-ray contact lenses...these basketball players were bringing in high-end clients to mob poker games...” – Mike (05:26)
• Notable arrests: Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier (former Miami Heat), Damon Jones.
• Alleged Mob Connections: Billups reportedly owed debts and got linked with the Gambino and Bonanno families.
• Schemes: Celebrity poker games rigged with special glasses, point-shaving, insider injury tips related to LeBron James and others.
• K9 from Counterculture Sports gives commentary:
  • “Let’s remember that all of this is alleged. So none of us get in trouble here...” (07:26)
  • Details Rozier's alleged role text-messaging insider information to associates.

“Everybody thinks these guys want to win... They make millions of dollars. Some of them don’t care...” – Mike (12:13)

Timestamps:

• NBA/FBI Operations Overview – 04:47–08:21
• K9 Sports Analysis – 07:26–10:32

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2. The Dark Side of Pro Sports & Gambling (13:45–15:20)

• The psychology and pressure on athletes—how friends/family ask for "a bag" or insider tips, or resort to coercion.
  • “You can take the thug out of the streets, but you can't take the streets out of the thug.” – Comment quoted (14:31)
• Financial ruin despite massive salaries (e.g. Riddick Bowe paying "130 phone bills" at once—and ending up broke).

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3. Addiction, Trauma & Recovery: First Responder Realities (18:47–23:09)

John’s Story (F):

• Marine, ex-cop, struggled with alcoholism for a decade, attempted suicide, credits faith and "healing heroes" brain-mapping for his recovery.
  • “Suicide attempt was the 31st of September, 2021... Now, I do resiliency coaching with a nonprofit for vets and first responders, Healing Heroes...” – John (19:06)
• Highlights impact of diet (carnivore diet, gluten allergy) and microdosed THC/psychedelics.
  • “I do small amounts of gummies at night and I never got high, but what it allowed me to do is shut my squirrels off from ADHD...” (21:55)
  • Emphasizes the importance of sharing support needs with your "village."

On Faith, Psychedelics & Healing:

• The Biblical Hitman (D) addresses the gray area of using medicine/psychedelics for healing in Christianity (23:25–25:47).
  • “The Bible says to be sober...but I’m not going to just discredit things that are helping people... the priority is to try to seek God, but it’s not always enough...” – D (24:32)

Community Support & Breaking Stigma:

• John: “Find out how you receive love...tell your village that so they can help you.” (22:52)
• Candid, nonjudgmental talk about masculine expectations and healing.

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4. Viral Police Videos, Social Media & Agency Critique (30:03–40:46)

• Analysis and lampooning of trending cop videos—ranging from “Dancing Cops” to tactical fails and high-profile shooting incidents.
• Commentary on social media policy, agency discipline, and burnout.
  • “If you’re making these [dancing] videos, everybody at your agency hates your guts.” – Mike (38:05)
• Discussion of body cam viral “failure” videos (e.g., Okaloosa County “acorn” shooting).

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5. Approaching Threats: Tactical & Policy Q&A (79:09–85:04)

• Firefighter (D) asks: How do cops handle traffic stops with unseen threats (tinted windows, potential compliance issues)?
  • Discussed tactics: calling out drivers, using PA, demanding windows down, reading compliance early, balancing officer safety with not escalating tension unnecessarily.

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6. Inside the Administrative Machine: Leadership, Hiring, and Agency Gossip (54:00–101:16)

• Minimum standards for police, fitness tests, and “waiving” of tests amid hiring crises.
• Critique of bloated administration, lack of technology (dispatchers with no MDTs in 2025!), and political prosecution.
  • “Jersey doesn’t have computers in the cars. Not in 2025!” – Mike (96:11)
• Sheriff gossip: Lee County, Carmine Marcino, and other Florida agency dramas—allegations of corruption, misuse of funds, interagency rivalry.
  • “There’s a TikTok page just about [Lee County’s] Marcino, and every – there’s multiple videos...” (110:45)
• Discussion of “unchecked” power of elected sheriffs.

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7. The Salvatore Aldradi Case: Spotlight Interview (88:14–95:34)

Barbara (G), mother of wrongfully indicted cop Salvatore (“Sal”) Aldradi, joins to update on his legal fight:

• Sal shot a gun-wielding, suicidal homeowner in response to a 911 call—cleared by policy, admin, and state, but years later—indicted for murder by a new DA.
  • “We go to court Monday...He didn’t violate any rule, policy or NJ law. They have nothing.” – Barbara (90:12)
• Four years of agony, suspended without pay, young family struggling.
• Calls for community support, political change (upcoming election crucial), and donations (Pipe Hitter Foundation).

Notable Quote:
“When you’re gonna speak ill will of my son...I’m gonna stand up. I’m going to fight with him, if I have to take them on by myself.” – Barbara (94:59)

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8. Mental Health, Brotherhood & Life After Service (122:04–131:41)

• John shares his mission: supporting veterans and first responders in their healing, offering alternatives to standard “Baker Act” (involuntary mental health detainment) responses.
  • “Too many people use a Baker Act to just get somebody off their plate...Let’s show them support; let’s change their life.” – John (117:13)
• Honest acknowledgment: moving from the job to civilian life is a huge identity loss; new mission/purpose is vital.
  • “When you leave the playground, you kind of forget, who did I play with today?” – Mike (135:49)
• The importance of checking on your “battle buddies,” building a community beyond the badge or uniform.

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Notable Quotes & Moments [With Timestamps]

• On NBA Gambling:
  • “Let’s remember that all of this is alleged...None of this is proven or fact yet.” – K9 (07:26)
• On Athletic Downfall:
  • “He made like $275 million in his career. At one point he was paying 130 phone bills for people...Now he’s broke.” – Mike (14:51)
• Mental Health Recovery:
  • “Started a new life...I do resiliency coaching with a nonprofit for vets and first responders—Healing Heroes.” – John (20:00)
  • “Find out how you receive love, find out how you receive support, and tell your village that so they can help you...” – John (22:52)
• On Social Media Duty:
  • “If you’re making these [dancing] videos, everybody at your agency hates your guts.” – Mike (38:05)
• Barbara’s Call to Action:
  • “We’re all working and doing our best to support them...emotionally, financially, any way that they need it.” (93:34)
• On the Next Phase:
  • “When you go from high-speed first responder work to none of it...I hope someone’s told you this: you lose about 95% of your friends that day.” – Mike (135:13)
• Checking on Each Other:
  • “Text your buddies at least once a day. Text someone new...A simple word of kindness goes a long way.” – John (135:02)
• On Trauma & Resilience:
  • “One of the biggest healing things for me is crying. I cry probably once a week…You don’t have to be a warrior every day.” – John (128:11)

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Community, Tone & Closing

Tone:
Conversational, edgy, sarcastic, occasionally dark, but always direct and rawly empathetic—balancing gallows humor with real vulnerability. The show refuses to shy away from inconvenient truths about policing, brotherhood, and broken systems.

Closing Message:

• The episode wraps with gratitude for listeners, reminders to check in on your people, and open acknowledgment that real mental health care means peer support and honesty—not bureaucracy and superficial solutions.

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Final Thoughts

This is a quintessential “Antihero” episode—equal parts exposé, roundtable debate, support group, and roast session. The crew leans into tough truths with humor, holding themselves and institutions accountable while championing solidarity among those who serve. For those on the job, ex-job, or navigating the aftermath, this Night Shift is a reminder: The world is a mess, but you’re not alone.

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Segment Timestamps (Selected, for Review/Navigate)

• 04:47 – NBA/FBI Gambling Story Begins
• 07:26 – K9 Counterculture Sports Analysis
• 13:45 – Implications: Legitimacy of Sports, Athlete Pressures
• 18:47 – John’s Addiction, Suicide Attempt, Recovery Journey
• 23:25 – Faith, Psychedelics, Christianity (Theology Q&A)
• 30:03 – Viral Police Videos & Social Media Critique
• 54:00 – Physical Standards, Agency Gossip
• 79:09 – Tactical Q&A: Traffic Stops
• 88:14 – Barbara (Sal’s Mom) Interview Begins
• 96:11 – No Technology in Jersey Cop Cars (!)
• 122:04 – Behavioral Health Units, Compassion Discussion
• 135:02 – Final Community/Support Messages

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to the Night Shift.

[B]

Oh, what's up, gents? It's the Night Shift. For all you walking zombies out there on the graveyard shift or the boys at home drinking a brew, this one's for you.

[A]

Yeah, that was good. Did you plan that?

[B]

Kind of a little bit.

[A]

Did you rehearse it?

[B]

Yeah. So it's. It's obviously me and Mike from Anti Hero and then we've got D. Matt, do you still.

[C]

What's your.

[B]

What's your host?

[A]

Dragon. Right.

[D]

The biblical hitman.

[B]

The biblical hitman. But he's a firefighter. I told you we were going to bring them all in.

[A]

We're not gonna kiss, but we are all in the same team here in this, in this room.

[B]

And we got, of course, our veteran side of the room, we got John the Marine, Fitness guru and we got Tyler. High order, right?

[E]

Yeah, High Order works.

[B]

High Order works.

[E]

Best name in the room.

[B]

Yeah, well, he had to change it because Instagram thought he was. We had to change your Instagram, man.

[E]

I meant Tyler's the best name in the room.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

Thought you were gonna be with me on that one.

[A]

No, he's. He's, he's all over.

[B]

So obviously we're gonna talk about this whole NBA FBI that happened today, right?

[A]

That's today.

[B]

The actual bust went down today.

[A]

Yeah, it was Operation Royal Flush and had another real cool name. They did two separate investigations, but as you saw, some prevalent basketball players went down. Kash Patel made a statement. Talk about that a little bit.

[B]

You're doing that thing where you just talk like this.

[A]

If I either. You want me screaming, yell, yeah, bro.

[B]

It'S not Thursday night.

[A]

I'm the calm one here. Everybody thinks I got aids. I do have adhd.

[B]

I thought you would say aids.

[A]

No, don't start. You want. You got jokes. We can get jokes if you want.

[F]

Jokes.

[B]

I thought you were gonna say that.

[A]

I'll be animated. I'll be. I'll be crazy. Yeah. Cos Patel made an announcement. There was a massive takedown. Racketeering, gambling. You had. Half of it was like point shaving and NBA players doing stuff. The other half was X ray contact lenses. They had X ray contact lenses, glasses. And these basketball players were bringing in high end clients to mob poker games. And they had the ability to see the cards. So they were just.

[B]

Wait, so is this have anything to do with the NBA or they're just players?

[A]

No, the NBA itself is not involved. This is like a head coach, like players. Like guys.

[B]

This isn't like point shaving or Anything?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, there's. Well, there's two.

[B]

Oh, two. I'm sorry.

[D]

I saw Chauncey Billups was involved, right?

[A]

Yes, yes. He was the main one, I guess, that was bringing the big poker players into these mafia dens to gamble. But there was point shaving. There was a player from the Heat that was a part of it who was, like, taking himself out in the first quarter, getting injured in the third quarter. And it even linked back to everybody's goat, LeBron James, where they said that somebody within the organization was tipping his health status so that they would know he's not playing tonight or he's going to play nights. They knew which way to bet.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Is the retirement, like, not good when you're in the NBA?

[A]

It sounds like just like everything else. I think the Chauncey Bills part sound like he got in debt gambling. And there's only one. There's two ways out. You don't exist anymore. You end up with Jimmy Hoffa or you work for him. And it sounds like he got extremely in debt and then needed to work. But I do know somebody that knows a lot about this case.

[B]

We got a sports guy.

[A]

We got a sports guy. We got canine from Counterculture Sports here. We're able to do. What would you call this?

[B]

We got the tech now. It's called remote.

[A]

Yeah, remote. Let's bring in canine from. From Counterculture Sports. Yo, yo. Talk to us. Tell us about Counterculture Sports when you're on and then give us the lowdown on this gambling thing.

[C]

All right, guys, so Counterculture Sports goes live every Monday at 7pm Eastern. It's a great sports show. It's. It's ran by Counterculture. If you haven't heard about counterculture, get into it. It's a great, great company. Shout out Tyler and Mike. But yeah, Mike, I agree with you. I think Chauncey Billups got in a little too deep over his head and, you know, had to make some promises with the Gambino crime family. Listen, let's just say this, though. Let's remember that all of this is alleged. So none of us get in trouble here. And we don't want Mike getting in trouble again. So let's. Let's remember all this is alleged, okay? None of this is proven or fact yet.

[B]

Did he say alleged legend? Is it an alleged.

[A]

Alleged. I don't know, dude.

[B]

I thought he said it's a legend.

[A]

You're asking me about.

[B]

This is a legendary case.

[A]

No, not legend.

[E]

Alleged.

[A]

Alleged.

[C]

Alleged.

[A]

There were some sport. There were some skimming Points too. Right. Who was, who were the, you know, the players involved in that that were brought up.

[C]

Yeah. So the, the player that got arrested today was Terry Rozier. He is an NBA player for the Miami Heat. But for what he got in trouble for is when he played for the Charlotte Hornets, he was notifying his friends and acquaintances that to bet the under in a certain prop of that game. So for example, let's say his point spread was 15 and a half points. He sent a text message to his buddies, associates before the game. Hey, bet the under. I'm going to take myself out. I'm going to fake an injury. I'm not scoring 16 points tonight.

[F]

Beautiful.

[C]

So that's why Terry Rozier got in trouble. Now the Chauncey Billups thing is a complete separate case as you brought up. He got involved with a Gambino crime family and the banana crime family. And they were rigging celebrity poker games and you know, cheating, using glasses, special glasses marking the cards. And everybody at this poker game was in on it besides the one person they were scamming. So if there was 10 people in the poker game, nine of them actually knew that this was a scam and that it was all a lie. They were only scamming one person at each game. So that's how like intense this was.

[A]

That's wild.

[C]

Now what sucks about this is the NBA was off to a great start.

[B]

Opening night you were all excited. You were like, NBA's back.

[C]

Well, NBA is back, baby. And Tuesday was great opening night. You know, you had the reigning defending champions come out there and win and double overtime. Yesterday we had some great games. Victor Wembanyama, Giannis Attemptokounmpo. You know, some guys showed out. I mean it was great. And then we wake up this morning and you know these, this news came out. So the commissioner of the NBA is going to have some explaining to do. This is big. Guys like this isn't, this isn't something that's little. You know, there's, there's mob families involved with this. Obviously somebody ratted, you know, to get all this information out there. This isn't for, from them doing a bunch of research. Somebody got pissed off, somebody ratted and.

[B]

You know, didn't cash say it was, it was a long years in the making.

[A]

Yeah, I think it went back to 2023. They said it was like, like all.

[B]

That'S horrifying that the feds will investigate you that long.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

And of course they waited. They waited till the day after the opening of the NBA season. That was all planned. That was all part of the show, so. Well, you got anything else for us? What? Monday night at seven, right?

[C]

Monday night at seven. CounterClocure Sports live on YouTube. My co host Sepa will be there with me. And yeah, man, we're a great sports podcast for the best one out there.

[A]

You're gonna make a trip to the studio one of these days, I. I take it.

[B]

November 6th.

[C]

November 6th, as of now, God willing, back it out.

[A]

Unless he gets picked up by the Gambinos. Oh, you know what?

[C]

And honestly, before I go, this is why I tell my friends and people that I know, don't get too involved with the gambling. Gambling is a terrible. A terrible addiction. If you get too involved in it, it's just as bad as drugs, just as bad as cocaine. You name it, it's just as bad. You know, there's nothing wrong with having a little fun and putting 5, $10 on a game and making it more interesting, but when you have.

[B]

Mike has situations, he doesn't bet $5 since he was 5 years old.

[A]

Dude, I know 7, 11, $5. I got there earlier.

[C]

Listen, we're not all big money like Mike from cop.

[A]

No, big money Mike.

[C]

Listen, you know, like I said, you bet five, ten dollars, you make it interesting, you have some fun with it. I wouldn't bet big money on things like this. Yes, they caught Terry right here. But how many other guys are doing this and they haven't found it out yet?

[B]

So don't go out there and blow.

[C]

Your whole paycheck on a game that you're not even sure if these. These guys are trying their hardest to win. These guys make millions of dollars. Everyone thinks, oh, these guys want to win. They. They're. They're going their hardest for their teams. These guys make millions of dollars, some of them.

[A]

Yeah, that care challenge. This challenges the legitimacy of the entire NBA, like, all of it. And I know baseball had some issues this year as well, where I remember a guy throw. They were betting on the. He can bet on the actual pitch. The first pitch of the third inning will be a baller strike. And some dude threw the ball like 12ft in front of home plate. And then they went back and watched. And like, he's done this like 12 times this season where the opening pitch to an inning is like completely not even close. So I remember that kind of got. They kind of killed that one pretty quick in baseball.

[C]

It's happened in the NHL. It's happened in the NFL. I mean, look at Calvin Ridley. It happened to him, he was betting props on himself. Came back Pete Rose. It happened in the NHL this year. It's happening in all the sports.

[A]

If there's money or women involved, there's problems.

[C]

A hundred percent.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

That's why men like to live in the woods away from people.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Is that you? So.

[A]

All right, canine, we appreciate you coming on. We'll get you over here to the studio. Keep up the good work. Remember, counterculture Sports, Mondays at 7, live with Sipo, and we'll talk soon, man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That'S the canine part of them.

[D]

Yeah. Sick outro.

[B]

So are you guys. Tyler John, are you guys tracking any of this NBA stuff or. This was news to me today. I found out this afternoon.

[E]

Yeah, I'm a bit of a sports guy. I like NFL better, but a bunch of my buddies are in the NBA, so we talked about it, like, all day. So I think that the Terry Rosier part is, like, the craziest part to me, because you've had. I forget the name of the NBA player. He has a podcast earlier in the year, he was saying how tough it would be if you're an NBA player who came from, like, a tough area, and all your buddies are like, they want a bag, too. They're trying to make money, too. And they either ask you for a bag or they say, hey, why don't you not score 20 tonight? And then I could make my bag that way.

[A]

Or maybe your mom's house gets shot up.

[D]

Right.

[B]

Somebody said in the comments earlier, you can take the thug out of the streets, but you can't take the streets out of the thug. Yeah.

[A]

And it's unfortunate. I know. I mean, I. I've had to. I grew up around boxing, and I knew Riddick Bow, who fought Holyfield three times world champion, and he actually bumped into him in a restaurant in Beer Beach, Florida, of all places. Close family friend came over the house for dinner and everything.

[B]

He.

[A]

He made like, $275 million in his career. He said at one point he was paying, like, 130 phone bills of people, just associates. And he is broke. Yeah, he is broke. And all his buddies, they were pension back then. Nobody's keeping track of the books. They were opening accounts. They were getting credit cards in his name, blah, blah. And he was just. He had some buddy that was in charge of his money, and now he's broke. Yeah. So those guys can make all the money in the world, and you associate with the wrong people, and they're going to suck the life out of you or the money out of you.

[D]

I think those guys also get involved with like the wrong people, you know? Yeah. I think at that high level of celebrity status, you start getting involved with people that are just at a different level reality than we can even maybe understand. But, you know, they get involved with these people and I think at some point they get in some sort of debt and then they get put in this position where they may be like a fall guy to do bets for them.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, or to do some work trying to make them money.

[A]

And I think a lot of his character, like a lot of these guys have flawed characters.

[F]

They just.

[A]

It's hidden by their celebrity status or their sports status. But if they're a bad person, they're not going to get. Become a better person because they have money or.

[F]

Or fame.

[A]

They're just a bad person around. Like a Conor McGregor, like, that guy has the world by the balls. He's the number one dude on earth and he can't stop being a piece of. He just throws it all away and becomes. It's like, man, how can you not just do. Do what you. You're. You have the world. Do whatever you want. You want.

[B]

But here's the thing, is that Conor McGregor is able to still be Conor McGregor. He is. But didn't he like rape somebody?

[A]

Yeah, he got cheat on his. What? He tells the story. The whole Conor McGregor story was how he was homeless, living in a car, his wife never. Soon as he got famous, he started doing cocaine and banging freaking women and then cheated on a bunch of times, got caught raping a girl, like all kinds of dumb. And it's like, bro, you had it all. There's nothing.

[B]

Got it all.

[A]

Yeah, but it's not the same. It's like people don't. He's on bare knuckle. Not as a knock that he's on bare knuckle, but he could have been the face. He could have been an announcer with ufc. He could have done anything he wanted. He had a key to the White House if he wanted. And now there's that stigma that follows him that he's a piece of garbage. And there's some things at that high level he can't be around. Certain people will not be around him no matter what. Proper 12 got rid of him. He lost all that. Yeah. He can still store cocaine, bang hookers, do whatever he wants. I get that. But he, he is not the guy that walked around crispy suit.

[B]

Do you think he'll ever fight in the UFC again?

[A]

He wants to fight at the ufc, White House event.

[B]

But I think I would tell him, sign him up immediately.

[A]

I would tell him, no, Dana would do it. They already said he wasn't supposed to fight. There's already an announcement who he's supposed to fight. I forget who it is now.

[B]

Who's the. Jon Jones literally, is the guy with, like, 14 second chances. And Dana White will put him. He's the best in MMA history. But look, we've already turned into a sports podcast.

[F]

Yeah, we're done.

[B]

No, I can't help but notice, why does his mic sound way better?

[A]

Way better. It must have been Brento Mike. Oh, man, that had to be. I don't know. He started talking, and I'm like, did you see me adjust my mic when he started talking?

[D]

I'm like, what's going on here? It's great. It's crispy.

[A]

It's a fat one.

[B]

I like it. Yeah. Well, these one. These mics, these sure. SN7Bs are like. They are. They. They're different than those.

[A]

That thing is nice.

[D]

This is the MV7.

[A]

I think I'm taking that one. That's done.

[B]

Yeah, that one's nice. Let us know in the comments.

[A]

This doesn't work, John. Doesn't work. He's thinking about that state exam. What is theft, dude, that shit's hard, man.

[B]

I know we won't talk about what you're doing, but, I mean, I know, like, I got an 89 and I studied my ass off.

[A]

We're not gonna tell you what I'm doing, but I took the same test.

[F]

I finally passed my third time, but I've been out four years, and I'm going back in because I got sober from alcohol and I gotta redo my EOT course.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

And do the state exam again. I'm not looking.

[B]

It's just high liability. Right?

[F]

Yeah. Shooting, driving, defensive tactics.

[A]

Get back, get back.

[B]

So, yeah, can we. I mean, can we talk about your story?

[G]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. John is a. A marine infantry guy. Right.

[F]

But.

[B]

And was a cop. Did all the cop stuff, I guess. You. You'd say you got addicted to alcohol?

[F]

Ten years.

[B]

Yeah. And got his life back together. Cleaned it up is. How long you been sober?

[F]

My suicide attempt was the 31st of September, 2021. So four years.

[B]

Okay. You've been sober since that day?

[F]

Yes, sir.

[B]

And, man, that's crazy. And so now, right now, I mean, you're built like a brick house, so obviously, physical training is your. But it's just. You said, like, as fun as it is, as. As good as the money, it can be. It's not your passion.

[A]

I'm bored.

[F]

And, like, I need a mission. I need an identity. And as soon as I left that, I didn't know what to do. Especially when I left the Marines, law enforcement was the only real action to go into, because the minute you leave that front gate in the Marines, you lost friends, you lost identity, you lost the mission, you lost the purpose, you lost the need to feel needed. And then law enforcement gave me that. And then I. I drank myself to death every single night. And then it led me to try to think my life with a gun. And I went to treatment, got. Got sober, came back to Christ, got rid of everything in my life.

[D]

Amen.

[B]

Y. Amen, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Started a new life, new friends, new career path. Did a. I do resiliency coaching with a nonprofit for vets and first responders, really. Healing heroes.

[B]

Healing heroes.

[F]

We do. We map your brain, and we do techniques to release the emotion from your trauma so you can deal with it and not have an anxiety attack. And then we map your brain again to see the difference.

[B]

How do you map somebody's brain?

[F]

We put, like, this mesh thing on your head with, like, monkey. Kong was like monkey glue.

[B]

Okay. So it's pretty like, medic scientific.

[F]

Like, you have a holistic doctor who's retired 40 years, looks at the evidence they found. I had a TBI frontal lobe, tbi gluten allergy was swelling my brain. I changed that out. Those more suicidal thoughts. I have more happy days than bad days. We just get back to veterans, and then I'm at a point now where, mentally, I'm ready to go back, and.

[A]

I'm glad you talked about that because, you know, we get so focused on. I think sometimes it's a racket. Reagan even talked about talk therapy. That doesn't work for everybody. Some people that have minor issues, I think they can talk. There is enough technology and enough chemicals out there that there is. Take it. If you're. If you're having that much of a struggle and you're talking to somebody, it's not working. There's things like that that people need to know about and get involved in that. It's like your blood work for anything else, like, you're just not feeling right. But you go, I'll just wake up tomorrow and try it again. I'll wake up tomorrow and try it again. But there is help out there, and there are places that do aggressive treatment to. To fix your issue. You would have never known about most of that stuff.

[F]

Well, we've also, we've done a study with Arizona State. And I went on a carnivore diet after my bodybuilding show last year. And I had this massive red ring around my head with the frontal OTBI on my amygdala just spiking whenever I closed my eyes. So I couldn't sleep. And I did on the carnivore diet. And he met my brain again just randomly. It was all gone. TBI was gone, amygdala was blue. And he's like, what did you do? And I was like, I changed my diet up. That's when we found the gluten allergy.

[A]

And nobody would think that. No, nobody think a gluten allergy could cause mental issues or problems.

[F]

And then we started doing things with holistically, so small amounts of THC psychedelics. So for like the past year, I do small amounts of gummies at night and I never got high. But what allowed me to do is shut my squirrels off from ADHD and process. Instead of my brain going like 15 different directions, I was able to focus on something that triggered me, process it, heal it, push it off to the side because it was completed and go on to the next thing. And it's brought relationships with my ex wife and her husband. There's some of my best friends. My parents are my best friends again. And what I learned is I need to tell people how I receive love and support so they can give me the support that I need. Because they kept trying to bombard me, tell me what I needed to do. That's not what I need. As a Marine, the cop, I need to know I have backup. And once I knew I had backup, I. I went through everything. So I would text them, hey, I'm having suicidal thoughts. I'm going to the beach. I'm gonna go to the gym. I'm texting her home. My mom would tell me, I'm proud of you. My ex wife would be like, you got this, John. And that's all I needed.

[A]

Y.

[F]

So once I told them how I received love and support in the way that I accept it and needed it, dude, sky's the limit. So that's how I tell people. Find out how you receive love. How. Find out how you receive support and tell your village that so they can help you. So it's not oil and vinegar.

[B]

Okay, I'll just drop something expensive.

[A]

All right.

[E]

It's not.

[B]

It's not that bad. Totally can't see anything, but. So what's your take on this? As a host of the Biblical Hitman podcast. Obviously, theology is something that you're very interested in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've always wondered this. What does the, what does Christianity in the Bible think about psychedelics and THC and stuff like that that are used not recreationally, but used for medical purposes? How, how does, how does Christianity look at that?

[D]

I mean, the, the Bible says to be sober, you know, so, I mean, again, I don't have anything against what's helping someone heal a fractured mind, you know, like especially ptsd. And what we see on the daily is firemen, paramedics, police officers, military. It's. It's a constant fracturing of our mind to where our chemicals in our brain just don't function or work properly together over time. And then it could start to develop certain things. Like you talked about your frontal lobe, you know, symptom or whatever, but that's just like a, an effect from a cause and over time, I think. I mean, with, with medicine. I mean, it's a. Medicine, right?

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, these things.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Abused.

[E]

No.

[D]

Right, right. It's not like you're popping 7 grams of psilocybin and you're trying to, you know, go talk to the ascending masters, you know, come back with a whole different gosp, you know. Well, it's just more like these things can calm the mind down. Maybe they can reconnect certain little neural pathways that help and benefit people. You know, I mean, there's clinics out there that do ketamine practice. There's clinics out there that do micro dosing with mushrooms and stuff like this. Me, as a Christian, I mean, I'm not going to just discredit things that aren't helping people, but I just feel like at least the priority on the list is just try to, like, try to seek God and try to let God be the one to help, you know, fix these issues, you know, rather than go to man or go to something of the world to try and fix these things, which is that that option is kind of. It's harder sometimes. Like, it's not easy. Right. Like, sometimes we'll be waiting, you know, on a waiting list for a long time.

[B]

Right.

[D]

That's like what it feels like. So I'm not. It's kind of like of a gray area, but, you know, I'm about people just getting better, healing over whatever area.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's the thing.

[D]

It is, you know, and, and that's where it's a tough question to give you, like a direct answer, if that. That makes any sense.

[F]

Well, my. May I Jump in there. Yeah. You know, I grew up in the church. My mom's a Christian life coach. My parents helped church plant two churches. So group in the church. And then when I went to the military, I kind of deviated. And what I've noticed in my sobriety, when I deviate just a little bit, that devil hits me. It's me so hard left and right. And so I know I need to follow on my prayer in my morning to do my gratitudes to him, my gratitude to why I'm still alive, I shouldn't be. Sometimes I feel like, why am I still here and so many others are not? But I'm here for a purpose. And that gun didn't go off three times. And, you know, I think I started to hate God when my sister passed away from A Brand Aneurysm 2019, which three weeks after I tried to take my life the first time. And I just. I turned from God immediately. And my life just went down, went downhill quick. My alcohol increased. I. I divulged in the sense of everything that I could think of. I've never been really into drugs so much. I had my stint with coke and the party phase, but, you know, once I became a cop, I didn't. I didn't want to do drugs. Alcohol was my drug. And then when I got sober, I was super anti. Everybody's like, you should try marijuana. You should try psychedelics. And I stayed away from it for about two and a half, three years. But I just felt like there was something off some. Something that I couldn't get over with my trauma. No matter how hard I tried, my days were still hard. And then I found a couple studies, and then the leader of the non profit was like, you know, this is something. You want to try this? I was like, I mean, I don't know. So I tried it. And I never wanted to get back on Adderall. I was on Adderall for 15 years. Stopped for the military, feel like a zombie. I didn't like Adderall. Made me concentrate.

[B]

But you got off it in the military.

[F]

They made me get sober. I had to.

[B]

And you felt better when you were off Adderall?

[F]

I mean, I had no choice in boot camp.

[B]

Yeah, but you said you felt better because it made you feel like a zombie, right?

[F]

Yeah, I felt like I had more control of my surroundings. I felt like I could eat more. Yeah, but my scalp, my brain is scattered always daily.

[D]

I had a guy on my show, his name is Jerry Marzinski. He was a. He's a psychotherapist 45 years, and he's still doing it, actually still putting people's brains together pretty much on a mental level. But he was telling me how medicine and prescription drugs and pharmaceuticals and all that kind of stuff. You know, he was dealing with people with hallucinations. It could be their voices in their heads or it could be how they're thinking or. Or thoughts.

[F]

Right.

[D]

And I personally think, like, we're in a reality that is. It's physical, then there's a sub physical, and then there's a metaphysical. And what that means is, like, the physical is like, I can see you. I know that it's objective. I know there's a pen on that table. There's a carpet on the ground. What I can't see, that's a part of the physical realm is like, red blood cells, microorganisms, bacteria on my. You know what I'm saying? Or, you know, so I need a tool of the physical realm to see that stuff. I need a microscope or an electron microscope or something. But the metaphysical is what we can't see that exists. You know, you get into quantum physics, and this is, like, what they start. I love this chattering about. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Favorite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got the voice for it, too, dude. If you started talking about, like, space travel and, oh, dude, I'm in. Dude, I'm in. I. I don't know what he's talking about, but I just enjoy hearing. And he's got the voice for it. Whatever that microphone is. Whatever that microphone is, I think we.

[D]

Can all agree, like, we've seen ancient aliens at some point, right?

[B]

When he talks, what does his microphone look like as opposed to ours?

[F]

I feel like I'm so dumb right now. But receiving knowledge from God, I don't understand it, but I know it's right.

[B]

You have a mic?

[C]

No.

[B]

How's it not on? Oh, hello.

[A]

You're the.

[E]

That's probably the other good mic.

[A]

You set up the worst podcast in history. Podcast, according to one guy in the chat. All right, you want to get some videos?

[B]

Let's get a video in.

[A]

Let's get a video in.

[B]

You can just.

[A]

Just don't repeat. You can pick whatever one.

[B]

Doesn't matter.

[F]

Let's.

[A]

Everybody hates us, so let's play a video. Go with the Kash Patel. He's talking about that, what we were talking about. Yeah, just hit that, and then we'll start from there. Kind of give everybody a.

[B]

But as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today. Former current NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years. The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing. Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a system of justice against La Costa Nostra to include the Bonanno, Gambino, Genovese and Luchasi crime families. And you'll hear more about those details today. The charges and the arrests that were.

[A]

Taken down across kind of gives us what we were.

[F]

And then.

[B]

I meant to play that earlier tonight.

[A]

Yeah, we forgot to play it.

[B]

Yeah. So the worst pocket we got, we turned into a sports podcast. Yeah. So let's play another one. The videos the people want, you can just go in order too, bro.

[E]

Guys, like, I went through selection for this. Did you see that? Like, no, but that's what he's like. I went through his crazy selection. I'm standing here watching it.

[B]

I'm assuming that's ice, right?

[E]

Yeah, I think the. The dudes in the green were. But the, like, at the end, the.

[B]

Vortex guy sounds good as hell, too. Yeah. It's not the mic.

[E]

It's not the mic.

[A]

It's you and me, man. We suck, dude. We're done. Oh, it's worst podcast ever.

[B]

All right, so. Oh, look at Bortech.

[A]

Nikki, MGTV's here.

[B]

Where?

[A]

Take a drink from me here. I don't drink.

[B]

What's up, Nikki?

[A]

He didn't come visit us.

[B]

He. His dad. He was. And he was doing stuff with his dad.

[F]

Oh.

[B]

Family's priority.

[A]

All right. I don't drink.

[B]

I'll take a drink for you.

[A]

No, no drinking for me.

[B]

Yeah, so, I mean, was that. That was ice, I'm assuming. I know the captain said ice, but.

[E]

Yeah, that's what I'm guessing.

[B]

Yeah. There's another one. Did you do the other one? Look like a helicopter pilot.

[A]

They're all in there.

[B]

What's that first one?

[A]

Oh, this is great. This is my old days.

[B]

All right, which y'?

[A]

All?

[B]

What's the non coppers in the room?

[F]

What?

[B]

Yalls take on Dancing Cops.

[E]

Oh, dude, I love it because I know how much it pisses you guys off. I could just imagine how much it would piss me off if I was a cop. So I think it's funny.

[F]

That guy's not real.

[B]

What?

[A]

The cop is making the video. The other guy made the. He edited it like he said.

[E]

Yeah, it's just, like, stitched in.

[F]

Because I've seen, like, a Hispanic videos where they're in cop uniform and they're, like, in the car.

[B]

Oh, it's not real, though.

[F]

Oh, that's not real.

[B]

Well, I don't know. Do you know what Instagram is?

[A]

I don't think he does.

[F]

Yeah, but.

[A]

We can edit stuff.

[F]

I don't know what's real.

[C]

Is.

[F]

Is Jake Paul really dancing in the gay Pryfag shirt on the ring, or is. Is this real?

[B]

Yeah, we just started using AI for our thumbnails, which is a godsend. What do you think?

[F]

That's. It's.

[D]

It's ridiculous, bro. I think dancing.

[B]

Why don't firefighters dance?

[A]

They do. Reagan, if we were to do anything.

[D]

On social media, I don't know, I think we'd be calling to the office and they. They.

[A]

Every. Every agency. My buddy Frank is Miami Dade swat. He's like the lieutenant. Very busy SWAT team down there full time. And they have a zero social media policy at that agency. You do not post anything in uniform without permission from the agency. They control everything. Which I think is obviously, as a former dancer.

[B]

Yeah. A lot of people like to throw that in your face. Like, you didn't know.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't know a lot of things. I was investigated by the feds. I was demoted. I was. I was a tick tock that. Yeah. But it's. It should. I. I agree. It should be a zero. If you just don't allow it across the board, it just saves so many things. Because, of course, nobody's really thinking, like, we've seen some cops end up in really bad situations with that, you know, defense attorneys get a hold of people. I can tell you the most common response when I go after them and tell them to stop is I want. They make a mockery like they want to be famous. I'm like, well, you're gonna get there one day. And then they get on the evening news, and it's. It's not. It's fun and games until you're on the actual news. When you're on the news. I've been there. When you're on the news, that video ain't so funny anymore.

[B]

Well, because we talk about it and, like, dancing on camera in your uniform. Is that.

[E]

But I mean, even in just your normal clothes at home, still.

[A]

Please, please. We're on this subject. Go ahead, hit the videos. What?

[F]

I'll Help you out.

[A]

I got another one. Okay, let's go. Transition.

[B]

I can't see. I just got last one.

[A]

The last one, right? Yep. Here you go. CPD in the house. Chicago Police Department. No gun or nothing. Just a video. The gang unit.

[F]

Chicago gang unit.

[A]

What is the point of that?

[E]

Yeah, I believe in the unit now.

[B]

What the was that?

[A]

11 people were shot during the making of that video.

[F]

He ain't going undercover.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. He's in a gang unit. So now he's made. He's on tick tock. He's pushing that video. I probably. So we were busy today all day and I didn't get to check my message. I have that. That was sent to Copille's DMS by about 45 people.

[B]

What?

[A]

That's what happens once a video like that goes that it starts.

[B]

That is just all that says is look at me. That's all that says is look at me. What I was gonna say before Mike interrupted me with another video is that these dancing on video is the most selfish thing you can do. You can go play basketball with kids, you can go skateboard with kids, you can take kids shopping. Right? I don't care. Some of those things I. I agree with some of those things you wouldn't catch me dead doing. But at the end of the day, you're doing something for the community. And this dancing you're just doing for yourself.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

You're not humanizing.

[A]

I did it and I. I admit it. And I can tell you I would. I was going through a divorce. I was in a bad place. I was in a bad place and it was completely self serving. And I apologized extensively to everybody I worked with. And that's why I'm so hard on these people. Because I know their co workers are fed up. Most agencies won't do anything to the people making them. And everybody's pissed off. And like, what are you dancing around while I'm taking these calls? Like, I didn't do that. I still was putting people in jail, but I just, it's. It sidetracks you from being mentally prepared. You're taking your eyes off the job. You're not listening to radio as much. You're not paying attention to your surroundings while you're burying your phone, which might be a problem anyway with everybody on social media. But it's wrong. And I was wrong. I can admit it. I was a. And that's why I preach. These people don't do it. I tell you. I can tell you. Everybody. Agency Hates your guts. If you're doing it, they hate you.

[E]

I can imagine.

[B]

Yeah, I never worked with an actual. Oh, I did.

[A]

Yeah, you did.

[B]

The one with the airport, right? No, she danced in front of.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know the other guy from Orlando, the one that danced around the airport and got mad at me and told you.

[B]

He got mad at me.

[A]

He told you to tell me to leave him alone.

[B]

I used them for an ad for my defund Dancing Cop shirt. And I didn't know. I just typed in Instagram Dance Cop. I needed just video of a dance cop real quick. That's it. That's all I needed. And he popped up and I use him. Oh, I forgot. I followed him because we work together. And he goes like, well, I guess thanks for the free plug, bro.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's hilarious.

[D]

I think this is all for virality.

[A]

It is, and I can tell you it's.

[F]

It's.

[A]

So obviously we. We're doing. We're donating money. We're. We're helping GoFundMe. We're doing good things. Those people are not. And they're going viral. And I will. I'm telling you, Tick Tock is a scam. You have 10, 15, 20, 000 followers. It's not real. I even think Instagram. The only real thing I think is like, Facebook is still real. Like a person creates it for the most part. So you're just really dancing for bots. And it's. They're controlling that algorithm for.

[B]

For ad sales.

[A]

And it has nothing to do with your talent.

[D]

I believe that, man. Because you'll have like 120,000 followers.

[A]

Yeah, so I can't. I just want to hear them talk.

[D]

Yeah, no, they'll have like 120,000 followers on tick tock. And then they'll go to YouTube, start a YouTube channel, and they'll have 127 subscribers.

[A]

Yeah, that.

[F]

More on here.

[A]

Haley Mirabelli, who I moved back up there to Chicago. She basically exploited. Ella French was killed. She exploited Ella French's death, used that death to make. Get a following. She sells makeup and all that stuff. Then she does a podcast and it gets like 120 views.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But on Tick Tock, and she's a viral.

[D]

You'll see who buys followers as well. You'll see.

[B]

Could you imagine? Can you. We'll get back to that. But could you imagine making one of these dancing Tick Tocks where you just give it all out there? You're like, I'm gonna ruin my entire law enforcement Credibility. I'm gonna ruin everybody's respect for me. Well, but yours did well.

[A]

It did.

[B]

Can you imagine if it didn't do well?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was just like a hundred views, but everybody saw it like, what the hell is this guy? And you're like. Then you delete it and try to act like it didn't happen.

[A]

Yeah, I did the same thing.

[B]

But yours went well.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Whatever your definition of well, when you end up in BET and MTV and the Daily Mail and all that, it went very well. And very well. Amazing.

[E]

I will say, dancing cop video is not the worst cop video you could be in. You could be like, yeah, one of the Okaloosa county dudes firing rounds off wild in the air because the acorn fell on the roof. You could be one of them.

[A]

I made a meme about that one.

[B]

Yeah, everybody made it one.

[A]

We had that run of one. It was the acorn. The pot.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I shot the black lady with the pot, and there was another one. Then there was a paint roller. Recently.

[B]

Okaloosa county had the acorn incident, and then they had the one where they shot the airmen.

[E]

The airmen? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Like it was in like a month of each other.

[E]

Yeah. What Crazy.

[B]

Yeah. So here's the thing, is that we all know the acorn incident, but then like a. Like a month or two later, they go to like a. Some kind of domestic call or something, and the cop announces, I'm, you know, I'm here. And the guy shows up to the door with a gun, opens the door, and the cop shoots him. And it was up for the most split down the middle debate of whether or not you're. You can legally answer the door with a gun, or if you knew it was the cops, why'd you answer the door with a gun? And so he's trying to say, well, I didn't know it was the cops or somebody was trying to say because he's dead. So that some people are trying to say, like, oh, maybe he didn't know his cops.

[E]

He woke up from a nap or something.

[B]

Yeah, the neighbors were like, the door with a gun. That's what we're saying.

[E]

Maybe. Depends on how the cop was knocking. I don't know.

[B]

Well, the neighbors said, yeah, we heard him. He's. We heard the cop saying, hello, it's the sheriff's office. So, you know, that's hard. That's when he's dead. You take the airpods out of his ear real quick. I know he heard me.

[F]

There's 250, 000 of the family.

[A]

And then.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, oh. 250, 000, bro.

[F]

They go higher.

[B]

Oh, for a. A black person. Wrongful shooting payout.

[A]

Millions.

[B]

Easy.

[A]

You're getting paid.

[B]

Ben was on a flight there before he even the shooting happened. He just tuned into his spidey senses and he's like, oh, I need to go to Okaloosa or whatever the it's called.

[A]

Where the is that, Dustin? Okay.

[D]

Was it on police activity, Eglin airport, everything?

[B]

Yeah, it was all over the place.

[D]

Because I do watch that a little bit. Those are kind of some wild videos. Kind of puts me in the perspective of, you know, what you guys do.

[B]

Stuff kind of makes you realize you made the right career choice.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I have different stresses. You know, it's like not that kind.

[E]

Of stress that c so high up in that tree.

[B]

Yeah. You guys said we were having steak tonight for dinner. What the hell is this? Yeah. All right, let's do another video. Ooh, what's this one? Really? Yo, yo, really?

[A]

You're gonna attack somebody in a costume? You get the on, get the off the off you.

[B]

Okay. For those listen. For those listening. That is a man watch.

[A]

I watched that. This is the. I've seen that five times. That's the first time I realized. I thought it was just a blow up doll, stationary minion. I didn't know somebody was in it until just now.

[B]

It's a. It's somebody walking around in one of those blow up costumes. Kind of like one of the dinosaur ones where you blow. It's got an air vent in it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And it keeps it inflated. It's a Donald Trump costume. And he's walking with a flag. Somebody just comes up and attacks him. But like, you're in that costume, you have no peripheral vision. It's a little clear plastic screen you're looking out of. It's just to be attacked.

[F]

Like a mop suit.

[A]

I just showed. Like, those people are nuts. Nuts. Like during the no kings thing, I told you in my town, my buddy took a Trump flag and walked down and got battered by two different people. And they got arrested. Just walked by them and they can't handle it.

[E]

That's crazy.

[A]

They can't handle it. But they're the peaceful people.

[F]

Those are the keyboard warriors finally getting out.

[B]

Somebody told me the super chats.

[A]

How do you. I don't even know how to turn them on. I know it works because I get.

[B]

On my mind rather. You know how to turn on super chats. We're using a different software for this.

[D]

So do you guys think politics will ever go back to kind of like how it was?

[B]

Nope.

[E]

I think it was always like this. We just see more of it now.

[D]

So if that's the answer, then where. Where does it go from here? Does it just get worse?

[E]

We just see more and more of it.

[A]

I think I.

[E]

My. Maybe a hot take. My take is things are much better now than they were like in the 90s. We just see all the bad things now. But in the 90s, you barely saw it.

[A]

Yeah, that crack epidemic and all that, that was wild. And that stuff was hidden. You had no idea.

[E]

And now we have, like, the fentanyl epidemic, but we all know about it.

[A]

Not as violent.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because they're just dying.

[D]

Right.

[A]

The crackheads were robbing you. Robbing stores. Yeah. Crashing cars.

[E]

There was riots and stuff going on.

[F]

Yeah, you're right. Social media helps keep people more accountable.

[A]

I didn't think. Yeah, well, it doesn't. It doesn't, but. Because they'll do stupid just to get. You see people doing dumb. That guy that we showed, that crash of that motorcycle a couple weeks ago was streaming himself running from the police and then got murked.

[B]

So.

[A]

But you're right. I do agree that we didn't know it was going on, and there's no way to really gauge.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

But I. I suspect.

[E]

I think it just looks so much worse now because we see everything now. Or not everything, but close to everything. Compared to, like, in the 90s, you didn't see anything, and so it just seemed like everything was great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You think people acting like this in the 90s?

[A]

Worse.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Those crackhead dudes, dude.

[E]

Like, think about pro athletes. Like, I don't know if you guys saw the Dallas Cowboys documentary on Netflix. Almost every player on that team was on. Cook was doing wild after practice.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

After games, all sorts of crazy stuff.

[A]

Mets. Mets won the World Series in 86. And Dwight Gooden and Daryl Strawberry said they couldn't get to the crack house fast enough. Yeah, Dwight Good missed the parade. He went to a crack house right after the game seven of the World Series. They did a parade the next day in New York City. He was in a crack crackhouse.

[E]

Lawrence Taylor.

[A]

Yeah, Lawrence Taylor.

[E]

I mean, so like, now the worst thing an athlete does is, I guess, get arrested for gambling.

[A]

Domestic violence. Gambling and weed.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

They get suspended outrageously for weed, but.

[E]

Not in the NBA.

[A]

Yeah. Those guys, they weren't testing them drugs back then either, because those guys were all. They said, we're doing cocaine for every Game.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So they know, you know, they weren't getting tested.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

Wild.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's. I. I think that drugs should be allowed in pro sports. That's a very unprofessional or unpopular opinion.

[E]

Another hot take.

[B]

And maybe. Maybe not like drugs drugs, but at least performing his hands. I. Maybe the ufc. I could see where you'd like.

[A]

Yeah. Boxing in the US you might want.

[B]

It to be a little fair, but, like, come on, dude, a baseball player.

[A]

Bond could have that BALCO lab create a substance that was undetectable by a drug test. You cannot tell me there's not something out there right now that's similar. Yeah. That's not tested or can't be tested, or they don't know what it is. They alter the. The break the substance. So it doesn't.

[E]

I mean, I think it's like a cat and mouse game. Like the drug use. The steroid users get better.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

And then the doctors who try to find to get better and it.

[D]

Just.

[A]

Because the only drug says test system I ever saw the. Was the military. You weren't leaving. Like, if you came in, they called everybody for a Pistons. You weren't leaving. There's no. Like, these guys can be like, oh, I'm not busy. Or can we work around it?

[F]

There's always.

[A]

Bro. When you got called in for a drug test, you were done.

[E]

I just took one a couple weeks ago.

[A]

You weren't leaving. I remember those mornings. Like, one guy can't piss, and you're.

[B]

Like, who took it?

[A]

I did.

[E]

I took one last week.

[B]

Are you in the reserves?

[E]

I'm in the National Guard, yeah.

[B]

National Guard. Okay. How do they randomly.

[E]

So, yeah, mine is kind of like. Mine is weird. Our scheduling and stuff is different than like, a standard National Guard unit or a standard scheduling, but basically every time we show up, there's a drug test happening. It's just some of them are random, so, like, only a select few take them. And then a couple times a year or once a year, the whole unit takes it. So you theoretically could take like four in a row.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially if they think you're out partying.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We're on steroids.

[B]

All right, let's do another video. Boom, boom. Oh, this is the one. Look at this guy. I was pulled over while working. I want this documented. This is. Who are you? Who do you work for?

[E]

He's got a chem mask with ice.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But you pulled me over.

[B]

Yes, you were. You were.

[A]

I'm transporting a passenger.

[E]

Yes, and he had a warrant.

[B]

And what was his name? I could let you know, but you don't. You didn't even tell me his name.

[A]

You don't have to tell you.

[B]

And you almost caused me to crash. Okay, well, we pulled you over.

[A]

It's okay. Hanging a minivan.

[F]

We got him.

[A]

That's always what we got.

[B]

Thank you, man. Okay. Y' all don't even close my doors or anything. Y' all almost caused me to crash and everything. This is insane.

[A]

She sound like. Who's the. Who's the guy that does the girl? Medea.

[F]

Medea.

[A]

Medea.

[B]

Tyler Perry.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

All that face is talking. Pulling me over causes you to almost crash. You can't even avoid them.

[A]

You see this? You see this?

[B]

All right, so, I mean. All right, first off, we have got to address homeboy's flight helmet.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Straight from him. They're throwing rocks. They're throwing stuff. They're spraying. Amen. Is that.

[B]

Oh, so that's why. Okay. If there's a legitimate.

[F]

I don't know.

[E]

No one else was wearing one. I think that dude's just highest.

[B]

Maybe he high speed. Thank you.

[D]

He had it.

[E]

He had a Kim mask on his hip. No one else had a Kim mask on.

[A]

Hey, look, somebody thinks that's brick because it's sideways with a beard. What? Good to see you again. That's great, anyways.

[B]

But, yeah, I mean that. I. I got the same vibe.

[A]

No one's told him, like, there's always a gear in the group.

[B]

Is that the new thing that they're issuing out to these agents? Like, hey, man, wear this because they're throwing at your face so you can still see. Maybe it's got, like, windshield wipers on it.

[F]

That's like their junk in the junk. Like, inventory you got to keep.

[A]

Yeah, I hated that.

[B]

Yeah. The ESS goggles.

[F]

There are just some things you just put off in the wall locker. And you never touched them because.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that guy did.

[A]

That happens in the. In at my age, too. Some one guy gets a new piece of equipment, and then that's it. I'm telling you. I always get on the leg strap guys.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If there's a place for the leg strap. But one guy buys it and sees it, and next thing you know, you got everybody wearing girl. And you're like, why you wear that?

[B]

Cool, bro.

[E]

I got a paycheck.

[A]

That's exactly what it is.

[F]

And it.

[E]

It like, that was like the TEU version of the eagle eye thing that. That Andre dude just debuted. You see that?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

On the Rogan podcast. The guy the Anderil CEO was on, and he debuted this eagle eye thing. It's like a helmet ear, pro night vision, whole all in one setup, and you can, like, see around walls and it. Each helmet talks to each other. It's crazy. Kind of looks like that, but cooler.

[D]

Yeah, that's Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky is the guy who was the CEO for Enduril. He was the guy who. He's friends with. Alex, Cart, Palantir, all those guys. Yeah, they all went to school together. It's kind of wicked crazy, the Anderil stuff. Well, he's the guy that made Oculus too. For fake. For Facebook. The same guy who works for that never became right. The Oculus thing.

[B]

They were like, oh, humans aren't ready for this yet.

[D]

Yeah, like the Metaverse thing.

[B]

We stopped seeing for that all of a sudden, you know, they were like, oh, we're gonna try this. We're gonna plug him into the Matrix. And then too many people gave pushback. So like, oh, we'll wait another 40 years for this.

[D]

I think they were like, these avatars look gay. These avatars are weak.

[B]

What's next?

[A]

Yeah, I made a meme. I put this one on my story. Not too long.

[C]

Guidance.

[A]

I want leadership. But don't just, like, boss me around, you know, like, lead me, lead me when I'm in the mood to be led. Dude, so those aren't even real cops. The two chicks.

[B]

No. Wait, what? Yeah, it's from a real police.

[A]

It is. But those, if you look at their vest, it's not. They're not like. They're like some type of community service type.

[B]

Oh, so they're like civilian employees.

[A]

They're something. But they're not like real cops. There's something I made. I posted that one a while ago, or not too long ago. But of course, you can't be. In my opinion, if you're going to be that big, you shouldn't be on video.

[B]

I. I thought it was hilarious. I thought, I'm like, for sure someone like Mike is reposting this. Nope. It like an agency actually saw that and was like, wow, this is a really good thing to post online. And that's. Everyone's overweight.

[A]

That's the next one. Oh, God. Did you see the ones I posted the other day? This one agency, back to back, and I'm talking like 350.

[F]

Well, poke Sheriff just posted that.

[A]

The. The black dude y.

[F]

With all the hirings and there's like a 400 pound dude.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

What?

[A]

Yeah, that's one from a little while ago.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. Because I was gonna apply to them but they told me I'd have to shave my beard and hide my tattoos and I was like, yeah.

[B]

Oh, gross. But then they'll let that guy walk around.

[A]

Not it. Yeah. It's just, you know, Grady gets all that press for being loud in Polk County.

[B]

To be honest with you, bro, there's not a lot of use walking around Polk County. There aren't.

[A]

Yeah. A lot of meth addicts that Frost proof that. What is it?

[F]

Frost. They probably saw that's where the main jail is.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

I live on the outskirts of Lakeland and Winter Haven. So Lakeland's like the nice area. And then you got like Davenport, which is like the outskirts of Orlando. So you got the people that work for like Disney and whatnot. Yeah. Then you got like, like whales, the rednecks like Wells, Barto, Mulberry.

[A]

He's just been unopposed. You can't run against that guy. I went back and I did the research. He gets like 225,000 votes an election.

[F]

When you pick something as popular as pedophiles that everybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

No matter what you are religious or political. Everybody doesn't like pedophiles. And that's his main thing. So he's very popular because he gets all the pedophiles things. And then he was on that night show where they would set people up and catch them. So he picked something that everybody loves that is up for and then they kind of push away the little small stuff.

[A]

You know, it's like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and, but he gets away with saying that stuff.

[B]

You know.

[A]

He's one of two agencies left in Florida that don't have body cams. So God knows what's going on.

[F]

That's true.

[A]

Brevard county and, and Polk County. And then you have, I mean he will shoot him dead, we'll graveyard dead and all that stuff's cool. And then he hires a 400 pound dude to like go work the street. So I don't, I don't even know.

[F]

I didn't know if he was road or.

[A]

I was told I, I got people every agency and he was rode but he was so big and out of shape they hired him and he immediately went on light duty because he can't well get in a car and like function. But he got a ten thousand dollar hiring bonus and they waived the psych and the.

[F]

That's what they're doing now. They're Psycher or the no poly.

[D]

What's the physical agility test like for cops?

[A]

It varies on like I posted one that was real bad somewhere in Texas that was like four sit ups and five push ups. Oh yeah, ours is. Ours is a. We had a doctor come in our agency and like fill out. Everybody had to fill a questionnaire about their day and then he did some probably chat GPT stuff but got paid a lot of money for it and it's like an obstacle course. Ours is like an obstacle course.

[D]

Does it like pass or fail?

[A]

There's a time. Yeah, there's a time. You have to. Well it's not per year. You have people that can just show up and not take it. So there's really no stage. Oh yeah, yeah. There's no standards. Some agencies like Sandy Springs. Jordan Ennis is my co host on the Wednesday night hot topic with Copville up in very squared away agency. If you ever want to look at like police standards and a good agency to look into Sandy Springs Police Department they have a really good standard of like real physical fitness test and based on your score you get. I believe you get vacation longevity. And then some agencies do pay get like a bonus. I remember when I worked at Vera beach police department all places they had.

[B]

Doing that thing where you talk to people. That's one they had.

[A]

They had a.

[E]

He's trying to sound better.

[A]

That's why we have anyway. But they had like a incentive where if you passed, if you had a certain score you got like vacation time. But there are agencies that have zero, zero physical fitness. If you can breathe and get into your car. Wow. Go get them.

[D]

That's insane.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

At least for us. Like we have to pass it within a certain time. If you don't pass it within that time then you have to go through a three.

[B]

Is it me you're now talking to her?

[A]

He's the voice police dude.

[F]

Like man.

[A]

Golly. I wanted to be told how to talk, I'd go home.

[B]

I just want to give a shout out. Let's give us some shout outs to the people that are in the media assets.

[A]

Oh in the comments.

[B]

Double wides. I was here. John Justin's here.

[A]

Ivy is cool, bro. Ivy is not cool. He is not cool. Please don't say that.

[B]

You know like what people are kind of talking about in the chats. Some of you probably might not know but most you probably know what this is is this is kind of like when your mom never left the house and fed you all of your meals and took Care of you, took you to school, made sure you got your homework done, make sure it disciplined you. And then dad shows up one weekend and takes you to Disney. That's essentially what's going on. And it's. It's not anything. But, you know, Anti Heroes never left, Never missed a show, never left. You look at somebody that left Hollywood, let's say they film a movie in 2023, and then they just ghost everybody. And then they're like, so and so is coming back in 2026 for this movie. Yeah, it's a hype. It's a big hype. And that's great, and that's awesome. But to kind of compare that to a running show on tv, that is not a movie. I don't know. It's like apples to oranges to me.

[A]

It is what it is.

[B]

I mean, not gonna say anything disparaging or anything bad about anybody, but at the end of the day, comparing the two is not.

[A]

Well, here's this. If.

[F]

If you.

[A]

If you like a certain sports team and I like a sport, I'm not gonna go to your team sports game to tell you that I hate your team. Like, I'm gonna go watch my team. So if you have it. If you want to look at this team or whatever it is, it just. I don't know. I'm not that type of person to go waste my time. If you don't like this show or, I mean, you don't come here, you don't look, you don't watch it.

[B]

Yeah. And it's like Justin always says, it's like. It's if you were at an airport and you were telling everybody, I'm leaving.

[A]

Yeah, I'm leaving. But it does do, though. What we do appreciate, though, even the negative stuff is engagement. It. And it helps.

[F]

It helps.

[B]

I mean, and the people that names you want every live. Every single live. You know, I'm terrible at names, and I'm even worse at screen names, but, you know, I know, like, 7, 8, 4, B. I mean, there's some other ones fun. Kubro. Love the new setup. Looking forward to future episodes. Well, thanks, man. You know, we really do want to give all of you guys our biggest. You know. What do you call that? Our gratitude.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, we. We really appreciate it.

[A]

I mean, what did you start with on Your back porch?

[B]

40 views an episode. You know, so.

[A]

And then again, something was built. A certain brand, and then it split. It didn't. You don't expect everything to just, you know, it's not gonna stay the Same. It changes. This is it. And people. Like I said, people don't like it. They don't like this, they don't like that. But they're here, they're commenting, they're watching. And, you know, I think obviously you work very hard on all this stuff.

[B]

And it's not food. Quay, bro. Q, bro. It's Q, bro.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

I butchered that. Sorry, what were you saying? I can't believe no one corrected me. Heather texted me. She's like, you idiot.

[A]

Anyway, it's a new setup, as you see, Laid back. We got room. We got room for. We got a whole nother casting couch over there. We got room for another three people.

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And we. We hang out, we talk, and, you know, it's not gonna be the same.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

It's not gonna be the same.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, a lot of it is the same, but a lot of it's different and just kind of.

[F]

It sucks that Jimmy is sick, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Jimmy's a good personality, and he's.

[B]

Jimmy is his own.

[A]

He has his own fan club.

[B]

Jimmy. Yeah.

[A]

Immediately has his own fan club.

[B]

Yeah. Very nice. It is the hair.

[F]

Like, you put those aviators on with that hair.

[A]

He's smart. He. He pulled the quantum physics thing on me, too. Jimmy did. As soon as he said that, I.

[F]

Was like, all right.

[B]

Very knowledgeable.

[A]

All right. I like it.

[B]

So, yeah, but that's, I mean, like I said, that's trying to compare two things. And, you know, I, I, I don't know anybody else's schedule other than mine and Mike's. And I know my. Me and Mike will be here every Monday morning at the Anti Hero studios next door doing the Anti air broadcast at 11. I know. Every Thursday morning, we will be at the Anti Hero podcast studios or broadcast studios at 11 in the morning. And then every Thursday night here at 8pm Me and Mike will be here. That's all I know. That's the only schedule that I've been right.

[A]

And I will be on.

[B]

And Jimmy. Jimmy.

[A]

Jimmy will be here with us. And then every Wednesday night, 7pm I do hot Topic with Copville with Jordan Ennis. Yeah, that's another stint.

[B]

We're all over.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

So we wish everybody success.

[B]

I do. I do. I wish everybody, everybody's success.

[A]

Everybody in the comments, negative or positive, we'll talk. I make memes. I talk a lot of. But at the end of the day, it's entertainment, and we hope everybody succeeds. We're not all getting out, though. Just so you Know, we're not.

[D]

What?

[A]

We're not all making it.

[B]

What does that mean?

[A]

I mean, we're all gonna go at some point. Oh, yeah, you might as well. Like, you wanna. If you want to spend your times talking about my legs or saying I'm the worst podcaster on Earth. Come on.

[B]

People messing with your legs. I don't think anybody actually was being mean about it. I think.

[A]

I think they look great on camera right now.

[B]

Do you like them? Yeah, you just look a little fat. That's it.

[A]

No, you just like.

[B]

Yeah, you did.

[A]

No, you can't even tell.

[B]

Yeah, because you. You per.

[A]

Look at that stick, man.

[B]

You put on a.

[A]

That's South's fault. He bought me two cheese steaks when I was up there. Chicken Philly, Regular Philly, stuffing me up there.

[B]

All right, let's do another video.

[A]

Jimmy said his head's not a mullet. I think it is. Mullet.

[B]

That's a mullet.

[A]

Yeah, I think so.

[B]

Nazi.

[A]

How you doing, bro? You Nazi.

[B]

Run, you ass. You're a ass.

[A]

Look at you. Backed out with America. You're a Nazi. You kill yourself. Look at you running away.

[B]

Look at you running away.

[A]

You ain't no American. You ain't no patriot. You're a fucking nonsense Nazi. You're a. You're a. You're a Nazi.

[B]

You're a Nazi. You're a Nazi.

[A]

He just doesn't get close enough. You notice? Why's he not running anymore?

[B]

California, we don't want them feds here.

[A]

Nazi.

[B]

What? Say something.

[A]

You're hilarious, bro.

[B]

You're a little. Step out your car. You're hilarious.

[A]

You're a little Nazi. I hope you go home and eat the clock. Bully.

[B]

Go with your unclaimed, unclean, unmaintained, cheap ass Glock. You have bump.

[E]

Good job, bro.

[B]

Go to work.

[F]

Good job, bro.

[E]

Is that what he said?

[B]

I. I know he up the wording, but I will give the guy the. The. A little credit if he's like that unmaintained Glock you got, like, that's kind of an insult to a gun owner.

[A]

Like, how does he. I want to know how he gets away with the N word.

[B]

Well, he's all minorities can say except for Asians. Can't.

[A]

What about.

[E]

I think it depends on who's around. You know, what the crowd's looking like.

[A]

All right. It's a vibe.

[B]

I think it's Spanish. You can say it for sure. Yeah. Why? Dude? Why? Why? Dudes obviously can't say Asians can't say it, but I think Hispanics because it's a cultural thing. Like they're in the hood. Right? Am I wrong? I don't know.

[F]

I'm just.

[B]

I'm just staring.

[F]

I'm just staying away from it.

[A]

He's trying to get hired. We're both. We're both Disgrace.

[F]

NWA There are some songs I just. I just.

[A]

Yeah, no, you can say it. The song title.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, that dude, you nailed it, Mike. He was literally pacing himself in his distance with that car.

[A]

He wanted to. He was Amazon. Tick tock up. He just wanted to press. He wanted everybody to see him yelling. Wanted to something. Every time he got close, he ran at first because he was far away. Once he got close, if he slowed.

[B]

Down and kept slowing down, there's no way he's still employed by Amazon. There's no way.

[A]

Nah, he's good.

[E]

You think so?

[A]

California liberal in California, dude probably got a promotion.

[F]

$6 a gallon of gas over there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You got a promotion.

[B]

What could you. When he was super aggressive at first, do you think plugging him would have been justified?

[A]

No.

[B]

I can do condescending.

[F]

That's fine.

[A]

You just suggested that shooting. It was a problem and he to.

[B]

Your window like that. If I was a tiny little female, then I can. But if I'm a grown male, I cannot.

[A]

I would have. I think your elbow distractionary technique would have been more appropriate. That one there. Maybe a little elbow.

[E]

That's California, dude.

[A]

You can't shoot. You can't shoot anybody with an AK47 now. Yeah. Poke county. You can put. You can graveyard dead them.

[B]

Okay. So, okay.

[A]

Depends what part of the United States, what soil you're standing on.

[E]

If you have a Social Security card in California, you can't do anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[E]

But if you don't, you can shoot them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're in. Really a blue.

[F]

I was stationed in California. It sucked being a southern boy. Lifted truck and tint my windows.

[E]

Yeah, don't do that.

[F]

I held a cell phone in my hand. He got me for tent, got me for cell phone in my hand. And I'm like, bro, I'm from Polk county and my tag is Florida. He's like, I don't care. You got to get the tent off.

[B]

Oh, did you write you dude, if they want to be dick still.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Four tickets for four.

[C]

Well, he.

[F]

He called the base, and the base.

[A]

Wrote me a ticket that I had.

[F]

To get it done. Or at least my own base driving privileges.

[B]

Jeez Louise. For an hour I had to take my tent off my front because your Your truck was registered in Florida where you could have tint.

[F]

Yep.

[G]

Wow.

[F]

I lost my base driving privileges for, like, a week because I refused. And then I finally gave in because my wife had to drive me on base.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

She's like, I can't keep doing this in the morning. She was like, I'm not doing that.

[B]

But all right. So you're saying you can't shoot him. I would also. I would also.

[A]

There's two parts of that. Like, the one person said, we didn't see the beginning. So I agree with that. He could have antagonized them. He could have done 100 things before that video started. Derogatory term.

[B]

The court also could argue that if right now and today or this. Not the court. It could be argued that in today's time, in today's climate, you know what running a Trump flag can bring and do. And in super. Hey, listen.

[A]

But just like every police video, we argue that you don't see the whole video. You pick. It picks up with the dude screaming and yelling already. So something trans. I highly doubt that he just drove through the parking lot. Something transpired prior to that. There's no way. There's no way. I don't care what you said.

[B]

There's no way a liberal went unhinged.

[A]

No, no, I'm not saying that.

[B]

There's no way.

[A]

Show me the video. I want to see the whole video. I agree with that part.

[B]

I gotta get my charger. My phone died. Keep talking.

[A]

You guys suck. Sucks. This podcast sucks. I think we're caught up. But yeah, I mean, I. And that shows. Like a social experiment. We're quick to judge. Like, automatically assume that that dude with the Trump flag is right.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Dude's wrong. And then we criticize. Is like, we criticize the. The videos when they're not in our favor. So that I can understand where somebody go, we didn't see all the video. The problem is the videos where we do see it all and they still have a problem.

[E]

That's the logical, like, parent answer. You just gave 100. You're right. But it's also fun to watch that video and be like, man, that dude was wigging out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. If you see the beginning, it may not be as cool. So that. And what are we all here doing? We're watching the Internet. We're watching for views and likes and clicks and. And all that. So I. We all do that. We all edit videos to make it just the right time, clip it just right. Some guys that on a daily basis, we have Obsessed people obsessed with us and clip videos and watch them like, so all that stuff, you know, it could be, you know, you never know. He could have walked. He could have through a freaking slur at him when he drove by the first time and like, watch, watch me, you know, kick the hornet's nest and then go.

[B]

You're saying that a liberal cannot go one.

[A]

I'm not. You're just freaking. You're just calling them all guilty. No, you're just calling them all liberal. Michael, somebody, every day, somebody has to have a brain. That's all. It's not liberal. It's. It's that I'm, I'm right there in the middle where I go. You can't argue that that could have been. I, I don't care myself. You can't argue that he could have drift in that parking lot, threw a, threw a Hispanic slur out the window, drove back around or said something. Now, it could have been something like Trump's my president or something slick like that. That doesn't warrant that response. But you don't know what happened now.

[F]

He was fired up.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he would have got folded up. I mean, he's like £100, but. So that part wasn't very smart of him because I do agree with you. Justified or not, I don't think that kid would, would want to be dead and have that guy go to truck. Like I'm saying, you don't run up to somebody's car window.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

There is a point where somebody gets enough in your window of your vehicle that I do think you're justified to shoot them, regardless.

[E]

It's also.

[A]

Yeah, but you have to drag him a little closer. It's also turn the camera off and pull them a little closer.

[E]

You could just like step on the gas. Like he, he definitely wasn't leaving on.

[B]

Purpose that you could.

[A]

So that.

[B]

Thank you. The non cop in the room gave the most logical answer to the question I asked is if in a court of law, if you plugged in, they would have said, why didn't you just drive away?

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Now if you had an object in front of you and you're like, I couldn't get away. I could, like, I couldn't drive.

[E]

I didn't take off because I couldn't see because I was filming them. I didn't know where I was going.

[A]

To see the road. Yeah. It's like kind of like the trooper coming out of his house with his gun because Sean wouldn't leave, but he chased him all the way down the driveway?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Could have just stayed in his house.

[F]

That shooting in lakeland.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[F]

2016 gyro subs in the middle of the night, there was a. A large crowd creating loud music. And the call came out that it was a dark colored Charger or Challenger.

[B]

I know he was gonna say loud. Loud music, big crowd. This sounds like the Asians down the street, man.

[F]

It was actually my buddy. I was actually a sergeant in the academy. He was like, smpd. And they surrounded the car, the Challenger.

[A]

But there was a white van.

[F]

And the guy mashed on the gas in front of my buddy and he jumped out of the way and fired into the Challenger. Killed the passenger. Oh, passenger was 17. His name was Mike.

[A]

Mike.

[F]

They then found a stolen gun in the back seat. The whole town went against that cop. Yeah, he had to change schools. He was cleared, but it was like everyone's like, why. Why didn't you jump sooner? Why did you approach the car? Blah, blah, blah. Well, the windows were blacked out, the windshield was blacked out. The music was coming from the car. The car wasn't moving.

[A]

No.

[F]

No instructions were yielded from the officer to the driver. And then all of sudden the car. Lord, just Adam. And he fired into the car.

[B]

2016 was before. I don't know about any ofst. I just know Florida. It was around 2017. So this might have been a case study for it is that the whole the car is coming at me and shooting the driver doesn't work.

[A]

No, no. You can't step down your car.

[B]

But it used around 2016 and before.

[A]

There was a while where you could do it.

[B]

Yeah, you if at you and you wanted to shoot the driver.

[F]

I mean.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Well, now we're stop in the back.

[F]

Approach a car from the front of back. I'll come off the side.

[A]

You can't create your own agency. Is the my intelligent way that my wife says it.

[B]

I didn't even know how to say that word. Exy.

[F]

Exigency.

[B]

Exigency. Exigency.

[A]

Barb, I just sent you the link. We might have. We might have a guest.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Let's see if it works.

[A]

Because it was K9's old link. I don't know if it'll work twice.

[D]

Or I'll have to.

[B]

It will.

[A]

It will.

[B]

Yeah, I will.

[A]

All right.

[B]

What? Yeah. Is Sal still not. Is he not allowed to come up?

[A]

No, Sal doesn't exist. He's just a figment of your imagination. But mom does. She said give her five minutes. We'll have a special guest here. In five minutes.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Sal's mom, Barbara, who is one of the coolest people I've met.

[B]

She's been Ontario.

[A]

Yeah, she's cool. She's a bulldog. I like it. She doesn't sugarcoat anything. We might have to get the button ready.

[B]

Do another video.

[A]

Yeah, one more video for this. The worst podcast I've ever been a part of. It's my fault. It's my fault.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

There's a good one. This is a good one. I don't know what this is.

[B]

At the car.

[A]

That's like a rory, isn't it?

[F]

1. Those pants are cheap.

[A]

Again.

[C]

Play it again.

[F]

He's got to be a state trooper.

[A]

Because there's no way.

[E]

A regular.

[B]

Why is he doing it?

[A]

Yeah, it's the hat.

[D]

It's athletic, man. What are you talking about?

[B]

So trooper athletic.

[F]

There's no way you're jumping, jumping over stuff and those kind of hands, unless.

[B]

They'Re made out of some kind of awesome fabric that we don't know.

[A]

The dumbest thing about that is you're in no position to react in that position. No, you have no way to react to, like, a gunshot.

[F]

That's it. She opens that door.

[A]

Illinois. Illinois State Police. Go figure.

[B]

Wow, man, that was that. I mean, to talk about high speed, man. What was he ready for war?

[E]

That's what I was trying to figure out. I don't understand what the move was about. Like, was he trying to brace against the car?

[B]

It seemed like if you just pushed him, he would fall over. Yeah, and that's.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. He's off balance.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

He had a cramp, and I loved it.

[B]

Hey, you know what? We didn't see the beginning of the video. We don't know. We do not know what this trooper there was a.

[A]

That's a very good. It was like Mission Impossible. There was red lasers everywhere. You couldn't see him.

[B]

He was.

[A]

Stepped all over him.

[B]

Maybe that driver was like, gotcha. Just kidding. And now that trooper's like, oh, my God. If I leave the side of this car that he's stuck up against, he's like, he can shoot me. So that was tactical.

[A]

I just don't get it.

[E]

Probably about dominance, dude.

[A]

I don't know that anybody driving a Ferrari has ever shot at a cop. I would venture to say something.

[B]

I highly doubt the history of Ferraris. Running from the cop is under 5 if you're driving, dude. Dude, if you're driving a Ferrari, you're not the type of Person that runs from the police. All these places pay tickets.

[E]

All these places that don't.

[A]

What about Nissan?

[E]

And you're in a Ferrari and you can go buck 60 just by doing that.

[B]

Yeah, but the time you're running the Nissan run from you, the Dodge Chargers, all the rappers. Challengers. Challengers.

[A]

Challengers.

[B]

Not Challengers run.

[E]

Think about all the rappers and like celebrities and stuff that have Ferraris.

[F]

You're not gonna run a copper though.

[D]

Do they get the bird in the sky? Yeah, that's what I was gonna.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[F]

Because the Poke county bird has thermal like that can see for miles.

[E]

Also you're.

[B]

You're county's got a blackhawk in it with a gunner.

[F]

Have you seen their SWAT mobile?

[A]

They got like.

[F]

They got an MRAP painted white with the bat.

[B]

Do they call it the SWAT mobile?

[F]

They call it the Batmobile.

[B]

Do they really?

[F]

Well, they got a badass.

[B]

Is it for show? Is it like for the kids?

[F]

No. So when I was on swap for Winter Haven, we did a training with them and I got the ride in the back.

[A]

I think.

[F]

I think it's nice.

[A]

We had the Teradyne, which was a Canadian company. It's on an F350 chassis. It's pretty cool. It's like similar to an armored vehicle.

[F]

Yes, it's.

[A]

It's everybody and the marines.

[F]

I had my rep sucked but they got nice ones.

[B]

Somebody's saying, okay, here's what I don't. Here's what I did comment I don't like doing because there's so many awesome people in here like Brady, Justin, Colt, 45, Heather. 784 Bravo, double wide Dan Ja. Even Jeff Moxie. Like she argues the out of everybody.

[A]

She's in here because I'm liberal.

[B]

All these awesome people in here. T76 and somebody is saying that. Why did Mike.

[A]

If you read the comment, it's out of con. Well, how about this? We talked to Brent two days ago on the phone together. Yeah, we had a 45 minute conversation. Brent didn't say a word. It's non existent. These are people just stirring the pot. But we like it. It draws more comments, draws more controversy. Never said it completely out of context. But what is it?

[B]

What is the comment?

[A]

I made a. Somebody was talking about codes and I said well, I'm not a piece of. And they take. I guess they're taking it. That I was referring to Brent was. Which was not.

[B]

Oh no, we've all.

[F]

I talked.

[A]

We talked so. And come on, dude. If anybody goes to My page. That's mild compared to what I normally say. I'm very. I talk very low over here. I'm very reserved. You go to Cobbill, so no, you.

[B]

Can barely hear him.

[A]

Not a piece of. We just had a great conversation with Brent, like I said two days ago, talking business and all that stuff and whatever, dude. Like, you know, like the Monday night wars, man. Let them. Let them. Let them think there's a problem and that'll keep them going. But it was absolutely. Where's the bomb, dude? You know, Brent's talking. By now. There would be this big bomb. Everybody was waiting for that. He was gonna out us and we were at some war together. Absolutely garbage. And I said it from the beginning and then it's not there. It's like I told you. Told you there was nothing.

[B]

Barbara here yet?

[A]

No, we're waiting on her. We got one more. I think we got one more video.

[B]

One more video.

[A]

That's it. We're done. Oh, man.

[D]

I have a question for you guys. So. So when you're approaching a vehicle, again, because this is. I don't even have the imagination to process this. Like, I don't. I've never been put in this situation. I've never been put in the scenario. So I don't know what it's like. You know, it's kind of like you guys never being inside of a house fire or vesing a window, right?

[A]

So that means.

[D]

Well, it's just vent, enter, search. You go, you try and search a house with no hands.

[A]

One minute, we'll have her in all.

[D]

This kind of stuff. But how do you approach threats that are on paper, not threats. What I mean by that is like tinted windows.

[A]

So stuff like you go first.

[B]

How do you approach.

[A]

Yeah, how did you do that?

[D]

Like, what's your. What's your.

[B]

If it's completely tinted out and both windows are up. Back window, back window. Roll your back window down. Roll your back window down. They'll roll it down. You look inside, roll your front window down. They roll their front window down. It's all about time. Like, what?

[E]

I also got to take the power stance too, right?

[B]

Oh, well, you stand like that trooper.

[C]

For sure.

[B]

Assumed. I thought that was assumed. But, you know, I don't do the call outs because to me, this is first off, calling someone out of the car from your. So it's a new theory, a new tactic that cops use nowadays. It's a lot safer. But if I pull you over, we're two carlinks away from each other. And I Go. Driver. Whether I want to yell it or get on the pa Step out of the vehicle. First off, someone like me. I can't hear. I. I have awful here.

[A]

You're ridiculous.

[B]

I cannot hear anything. So I'm already at a disadvantage with you trying to communicate with me with me inside my car. And you either saying it through a PA that sucks or screaming it second. That creates for. So this is built for non cops. Cops are all about verbal judo, utilizing your skills and your techniques and your people skills to get what you need done. So when you go up and engage a human being, you can engage them. If you're calling them out like a robot. Step out of the vehicle, driver. Step. It creates a lot of unnecessary tension. If it's a traffic stop. Now, granted, if you think it's a felon, you know, if you think it's. You're gonna treat it like a felony. Stop. You're not gonna be by yourself anyways. You're gonna have two other units with you. So to me calling somebody out on a. On a. Stopping a sketchy car at midnight in the. In. In a bad area is still to do call. Man up. You're stopping that car. You're a cop. Go and deal with that driver again. And a lot of people don't like that. I know Mike.

[A]

No. So no, I'm okay with that. I don't call him out. But. And I learned this my wife. She's very tactical, very good at this. What she does is. Because I'm not a cop anymore, and I kind of did what you did. I got. Or I would. She immediately gained gauges. I just lost my whole train of thought. She gauges their. What's the word I'm looking for when they cooperate? Cooperation. Engages it by immediately.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Not. Get out. Dude. I couldn't. There's a better word I wanted to use and I completely lost it. Compliance.

[B]

Okay to gain.

[A]

So. But she has them roll immediately. Roll all their windows down. Roll all four windows down. Because I can't tell if they're 10 or not maybe from where I'm at. And then she says, put your hands out the window. That way she knows how many people are in the car and immediately knows if they're.

[B]

But she does that before she walks up the driver's.

[A]

She yells it or she gets on the PA then goes up, sees what it is and then assesses it from there. Some people say it's aggressive. This is. But when you see video after video of video, and I had a guy on that was shot Second he walked up to the car, clear windows and all, and he walked up and got a.38 right in his chest, one in the back of the neck.

[B]

And did he die?

[A]

No, he lived. He was on the podcast, if you missed that part, it wasn't a religious podcast where he came back to talk about it. Now, I will tell you this, and I don't care what you say, your personal version of whatever you're. And I'm not, I'm gonna use this word, I don't mean it that way, but your stereotype or your. The hair, whatever makes the hair on your neck stand up is going to change. Makes sense regardless of how. So yes, if you see a 75 year old woman in the car, you're not going to be as worked up. If you see four method white dudes, messed out white dudes in a beat up car with a tag falling off and the car's disheveled, you're gonna be like, okay, hands out the window. There might be some other cars, there might be some other makes and models of cars you might take, but that is individual. But if you do it the same way every time and some people are going to go, why?

[B]

But I gotta put my hands out.

[A]

The window, Just do it. And then you do it and you walk up there, you put your hands.

[F]

Back on the stairs.

[B]

I, I disagree with that. Because you're already pissing off the person you're trying to engage with.

[A]

That's not, we're not here to play Mr. Nice Guy on the side.

[B]

Or are we? Another thing, okay. Another thing. I don't know, Michael, agree with this is by the time our cars are in park, I'm trying to be halfway to your window. I'm trying to get to your window as fast as I can. Because the chat. Speed is speed was always my friend. As soon as, as soon as you're like realizing you're stopped and being pulled over, I'm already at out of the car.

[A]

No, out of the car is good. I don't think going up to the car is important. Yeah, you get out of the car, use your pillars, you have a metal object that weighs like 5,000.

[B]

Mike's the trooper between you.

[A]

No, I'm not going up there. I'm not doing that.

[F]

Is that what it was?

[A]

But what's the problem with standing back at your car and gain, seeing if.

[F]

They'Re going to comply?

[A]

Like, hey, roll your windows down.

[F]

Put.

[A]

You might have an, you might have a sovereign citizen. You immediately go, okay, he's not rolling his Windows down. He's not cooperating. Get on the pa. I get it. Not every stop is like that, but it's kind of like the plus one rule. You always assume somebody's got a gun in their pocket. And yeah, you're not nervous if it's an 80 year old lady, but it's possible. So if you always have that little sixth sense like, hey, this could happen, you might stand like the trooper.

[D]

I feel like traffic stops are like drug deals. It's like, hey, you got the stuff? Hey, you got the money?

[A]

All right, it's, it's.

[D]

We go, we're gonna walk in the middle. Drop it in the middle.

[B]

Except you're saying, hey, man, you breaking the law? And they're going, ghetto guns.

[A]

You look out for those.

[F]

1.

[A]

I saw one comment up there. I'm gonna address them. We'll get Barbara in.

[B]

Oh, wait, hold on. Address the comment and then I gotta do some.

[A]

Somebody asked about? Yes. Is it nerve wracking or is it do I hate having my wife as a cop? Yeah, I do. It sucks knowing that the dangers of the job, knowing that she's out there.

[B]

Knowing she's the alpha.

[A]

Knowing I'm gonna get beat up when she gets home if I don't have the house clean. No. But yes, it's. It's obviously nerve wracking. It sucks. And when, you know, you don't hear from her for a while, you're like, is she dead? Like, what's going on? You know? Yeah, we can't. We talk a lot. We actually like each other. We do. And it's fun and, and, you know, it's cool to have her run stuff by me. I have a lot of experience. But yes, it is nerve wracking. You know, my daughter works in the jail. Just bad, you know, who knows? She's a corrections officer. So it's like, all right, we got Barbara waiting, so go hit your thing and then we'll get to bar.

[B]

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[A]

Good. Back to the comments and then we'll get Barbara in. Good. And we're in. Yep. Barbara, Hi.

[G]

Can you hear me?

[A]

Yeah, we can hear you.

[G]

How are you?

[F]

Tell it.

[A]

We all know who you are. Tell everybody who you are and what your mission in life is right now.

[G]

Sure. I'm Barbara Eldrade. I'm Sal. Officer, well, Corporal Salvatore Aldradi's mom. He's been wrongfully indicted by the little corrupt Matthew. I say plankton from spongebob, that little broad at the bottom for a justified police shooting. And we've been fighting. It's four years since the shooting and two and a half since he's been indicted. And we go to court back on Monday. We're just waiting to see where this is going to go and what's going to happen.

[A]

Yep. And you guys are the most. I, I had the pleasure of visiting your home and you guys welcomed me as a member of the family and you bribed me with cheesesteaks. And I. You have a beautiful family, beautiful dog. And my favorite part of you is you talk. And I love it. I love it. I couldn't get over my favorite part with the two favorite parts were when you're the, the rat, how many rats in the furnace changed? And you called him, you called your son right out about it. And then the size of the fish change. And I was like, I like this.

[G]

Yeah, it went from a rat to a mouse.

[A]

And I think someone's embellishing a story. And she caught. She's right to his face. He's like, yesterday was four rats, today it's five. What's wrong with you? And so, so the. I guess what's going on is because it's such a bunch of the. They can't find an expert witness. Correct.

[G]

So they were supposed to have one in the. The judge gave them the deadline of October 6th. And then of course we went October 6th. Our lawyer was stuck in another courtroom and couldn't get over. So his assistant, who. What? She's wonderful as well, Tess, she took over and they said they needed another. They have an expert, but they need another week.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

So it's, you know, which our lawyer.

[G]

Said if they had an expert, he would have called us and told us who it was. So. Right. So she postponed the court date for three weeks. So we go back on Monday. I. I don't really know what's going to happen. We still. I mean, it's Friday, so he hasn't called us to tell us they have an expert. They could retain one. Just, you know, for shits and giggles, you know, just to have one saying that they're going to retain one, but then never call one. And. But she said on the 6th was supposed to be the deadline. Now she gave it the 27th, so.

[A]

And you guys have an election. You have an election coming up as well, right?

[G]

We have an election coming up November 4th. Jack Chitter Alley. If you were in New Jersey, we need to vote. We need to get him in. He's going to put in a new attorney General and get this little dweeb out. And I'm going to be kind. I'm going to say nice.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, Good, good. We worked on that. We said nice things.

[G]

I know I have to say nice things, but, you know, so it's just kind of all up in the air. They're just, you know, dragging out. They have nothing. I mean, he didn't violate any policy, procedure or the New Jersey laws. And you know, police officers operate in their own set of rules. Right.

[A]

These guys haven't seen it. And I'll. I don't know if they have seen it, but again, for anybody who wants it's. If you Google Saladrati, the shooting, you'll see the video is online.

[B]

Every.

[F]

It's.

[A]

It's one of those cases where it's all there. There's no maybes, there's no kindas. There's no Tyler's favorite thing. There's only half the video. There's none of that. The entire incident is captured on Body camera, video.

[B]

Two body cams.

[A]

Two body cams. It's completely justified by every definition in every book of use of force on earth. And here you guys are for four years of pain with just the incident and now, you know, years of having him and died. I can't imagine. You know, you guys are the greatest people, the just nicest people. To have that on the back of your mind at all times, you can kind of see that when I talk to Sally, you can see he's a great kid, but you can just feel that. I mean, I can't imagine the gravity of what he goes through every day. Getting up. I remember just having court or just having something minor on my mind. This guy's looking at this. Yeah. This guy's looking at the rest of his life at this point. And it's like, yeah, for you guys to be so upbeat and so supportive, we really appreciate it. And we're. Like I said, we're here for you guys to do whatever and, you know, the pipe you want to hit, the Pipe Hitter foundation, what they've done for you guys.

[G]

Yeah. So the Pipe Hitter foundation took us in, thanks to you. Mike got us in with them and they were able to raise. Started raising funds for Salvatore to help with, you know, day to day finances because they suspended him without pay and no insurance. And he was just getting married. Now he has two small babies, so we pay out of pocket. But we're thankful that we also have the National Coalition Police Defense down in Virginia, who helps. Who's also helping with his insurance. And then the Pipe Pitters Foundation. Eddie and Andrea are helping with, you know, their bills. They still have bills. You know, his wife, it does work. She'll go back hopefully January. She just had a baby. But, you know, they can't get a house, they can't start their life. They're just, they're in limbo. And we're all working and doing our best to help support them financially, emotionally, you know, any way that they need it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I know he has aspirations of coming down here at some point.

[F]

I hope.

[A]

I hope he's down here. We were talking about that.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Someday I want him sitting right next to me on a podcast. He's a great kid. One day somebody's asking, he's 20 south. 28.

[F]

Correct.

[G]

He's 28. And so the shooting occurred when he was 24. So. And he's been a police officer since. He's been 18. 18 and a half. Just. He was a special one law enforcement officer in Gloucester Township. And Then got on the Camden Police Department when he was 19, saved his partner's life. Pat was shot, put the tourniquet on him, saved his life. Numerous awards. A cops, cop.

[F]

Cops.

[A]

Matter of fact, he got officer the. If I'm correct, he got officer of the year after the shooting.

[G]

And he got it, he got it before the shooting. And he got life saving awards, you.

[A]

Know, promoted, Promoted after the shooting.

[G]

Promoted after the shooting. And they, and they know, you know, when, when they gave, when the attorney general gave the statement when he was indicted. He know he has all the evidence. He has the ex wife statement. The whole family thought he committed suicide when they were, you know, notified by police. She has plenty of documentations. You know, I'm not here to speak ill will of the dead, but when you're going to speak ill will of my son. Yeah, you know, he's not. Nobody's perfect, but you know, he's. He's a great. He's a great guy. This is all he's ever wanted to do. And I'm going to stand up, I'm going to fight with him if I have to take them on by myself.

[A]

We are hitting up. You're not by yourself because we're here with you.

[G]

I'm gonna lead it.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

I get the first. I get the first knockout.

[A]

I know. I'm just like the neighbor, the neighbor that came knocking on your door.

[G]

I don't need no man next to me.

[A]

I heard. I remember.

[F]

I remember.

[A]

So we appreciate you coming on. We thank you for support. Please check out Pipe Hitter foundation and donate to help Sal. Check out the Saladrati story. If you guys are in Jersey, make sure you make noise up there. You vote Republican for the governor race up there. And Barbara, we love you and we appreciate you coming on.

[G]

All right, thanks, guys. Thanks for having me.

[F]

Bye.

[A]

Bye.

[G]

Take care. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you, Barbara.

[G]

Thanks, Tyler. Take care.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Awesome people, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Very sweet lady.

[A]

Can you imagine, like, I know, like you said court or your captain or, you know, you got like your IA interview for something stupid tomorrow. Like you ran a stop sign, they're calling you in.

[B]

Do you guys know the style story?

[E]

No.

[A]

Yeah, we'll do a breakdown.

[D]

Who's in charge of this investigation.

[A]

So what here digest is guy basically commits suicide by copy calls 911 said there's armed people breaking into his house. There's nobody. It's him. Here's some of the problems. New Jersey doesn't have mdts. They have no computers in this agency. They don't in computers. No computers in the car.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

No mtts still. So they don't get any update. He gets no update. He just knows that this guy called it right. No, no, no, wait, wait. Yes, yes. The agencies does to this day not have mobile data.

[B]

What do they do?

[D]

It's all dispatch.

[A]

They chisel their reports in 20, 25.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They don't have them. So he doesn't get a clothing description or anything. He arrives on scene second right behind his partner. Guy standing in the yard with a gun. They have no description of anybody involved in this call. Partner screams, gun drives. Sal's already getting out of his car. Dude raises a gun and he smokes him. On meth, on alcohol. Habitual problem. It was the homeowner. He called the own call in and then raised the gun at the cops. About as simple as it gets. It's unfortunate, it's very unfortunate that he was, his life was taken. But he called the cops to his house under false pretenses and raised a gun at the police. And it's all on video. 100 from front to back, shoots them.

[B]

Then they rendered aid.

[A]

Rendered aid. Cleared by the agency, cleared by the state.

[B]

Back to work for two years.

[A]

For two years. And gets a phone call one day driving down the road, hey man, it's your union lawyer, rep, Whatever. You're, you're indicted for murder. You have to go turn yourself in. You have two hours out of the blue, has no idea it's coming.

[D]

Well, from what agency though?

[F]

The state.

[A]

They elected a, the Democrat took over and they elected George, planted Soros printed and he indicted.

[D]

Like, even if the case is already.

[A]

Like, you can do that, you can reopen the case.

[B]

What they'll do is if you 10, 12 years later, get a Soros state attorney's office, what they're going to do is go, give me, I want six officer involved shootings right now on my table.

[A]

22.

[B]

And he's like, indict this off this officer. Indict this one. You can have grand jury trials. I've heard of them. Happen here where I live, where they, the, the, the, the cop side shut up. The top side wasn't even notified that they were having a grand jury. So the lawyer wasn't notified, the cop wasn't notified. They just have a quick grand jury. And they said, hey, cop shot a dude. Is that enough for murder? Right? That's how a grand jury works. You just gotta kind of say like, hey, somebody was killed. Should we have a murder trial? And of course everybody's like, yeah, and someone's killed the only.

[A]

I just. I watched this one. And you. You know how we can. We joke. We take sides and we are. There's. There's no way. We'll watch it. We can all break it down. You guys watch it. There's no way to even go the other way with this one. It's so open and shut that I don't understand how bigger politicians like the president or, you know, Congress or Senate. Like how is not somebody. Somebody not got involved and going, look, dude, like, this ain't the one. It was a white. It was a white guy. Like, there's just everything is every. You know, it's like there was no outrage. There was no cry from the community. There was. And the other kick. Like he mentioned the ex wife statement. The ex wife actually testified for Sal originally. They said he's crazy. He wanted to commit suicide by cops. Money, money, money. And then somebody said, you might want to sue the agency since he's dead. And then she switched her story.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

And revoked her statement. And then no longer cooperated with the police. And now she's suing or got.

[D]

I did pick the right career. That's wild, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So really unfair, you know. I mean, I know the world's not.

[A]

Fair, but his dad is a career Philadelphia cop SWAT guy. Like, when I went up there, I couldn't meet him because he was working doubles for the no Kings protest. So the whole family's good people. These aren't. There's not a bad bone in their body.

[D]

What city is it?

[A]

Get over the right outside Philly on the Jersey side. I can't remember the agency. Off top of my head.

[B]

There's been computers and cop cars since 1990. How is there not computers and cop cars in 2025?

[D]

Probably a budget cut or something.

[B]

No, you.

[A]

No, there's no.

[B]

That's existed.

[D]

That's the only thing I can think of.

[B]

There's no. At 2025. There's no excuse. I mean, I get it. Like the latest super computers. Yes. We can't afford that. Like maybe the state police can. But to not have computer is a liability when all society runs off the Jersey information.

[A]

Jersey is.

[F]

Dude.

[A]

California gets all the heat. Jersey is his use of force policy. Was nine pages when he shot the guy. It's now like 32. When we went to Jersey City, I was talking to those guys. If you sit in your car in Jersey City, New Jersey and say, I'm not getting out, they will get in their car and leave. They will not pull you Out. They will not yell at you to get out. They will drive away. And they have no technology. Completely liberal. You can't move in the state of New Jersey as a cop or you're in trouble. The state police, I think get a little bit more. They're pretty squared away like. And I'm not saying the agencies are bad, but Jersey City dump. Most of those big cities over there dumps. It's not like the cops days because they used to go to those places back in Bergen county and all that back in the day. It's changed, man. You can't do anything in New Jersey or you're. You're in trouble. Like it's California gets most of the heat. I think Jersey is just as bad, if not worse.

[B]

No kidding. It's like the East Coast, California.

[A]

It's bad, man. It is bad. And it's like that's when we are like when we talk about like all these police issues. At some point who is going to want to work there? You can't pay me enough to go work there.

[E]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, dude.

[A]

Can't pay me enough. You can hand me a million dollars. I'm not going to do that. Anti recruitment and there's great dudes there. So it's like. It's not like I'm on the cops at the agency. I hate when people like, well, oh, he hates. No, hate the administration. That's my platform is going after the administration.

[F]

That's.

[A]

But there's good dudes driving around that are just terrified like, I have to have a job. I don't want to get indicted like this guy. So you either don't do anything. Which is pretty much what has happened now. Nobody does nothing. They don't want any trouble and criminals just run wild. You can't chase cars you can't get into. Like they were telling me. What they're doing now is they review your body. If somebody complains, it says you doesn't even have to be a bad complaint. They say, I don't like the way.

[F]

Tyler took my report.

[A]

Okay. They watch your body cam. Any violation like you drove 40ft before you put your seatbelt on. Suspended one day suspension. This isn't a joke. This is really happening up there to these guys. Mass suspensions for minor policy violations. Like not putting your seat belt on, saying that for just something stupid that should be not even an issue. They review body cameras. No, no, it's bad up there, dude.

[B]

Do they at least make money micromanage?

[A]

They do, but it's cost a lot of money, dude. I mean, insurance rates, like taxes. They're taxed out the ass.

[F]

Like specialty units.

[A]

There's no way they do. But like. Like I piloted, like, Boston. Boston's gang unit got flipped upside down because of this auditor, dude. One of their guys got arrested. I talked to them on the phone. They do, but they flip those to liberal, too. You just. There's. You can't do anything. You can't put your hands on anybody. You can't thump anybody. You can't really get aggressive. And then it's in the places that need the most aggression and the most police. That's why Trump is going into Chicago. That's why Trump's going into these big cities. Because these cops are. I don't want to say cops. These agencies are led by people who lay down. And then you see, like, Chicago, which is the worst. And you have citizens showing up to these meetings, screaming at these leaders, going, yo, like, our neighborhoods are running wild with crime. You got the police hands tied.

[F]

They won't.

[A]

They can't do anything. What are we doing? Like, they're worried, like, you guys worried about this, that fighting them about immigration. We got regular citizens, the United States that can't go to the store because they get shot at. Nobody cares, man. As long as it's not a cop doing it and it's not a racial issue.

[F]

That's why everybody's moving to Florida. Yeah.

[B]

It's going to be the new Cali soon. I bet it.

[A]

Yeah. This next election is huge, man.

[F]

Well, you see, yesterday put on the ballot for November to end property taxes.

[B]

What?

[A]

My sheriff campaigns bills with property taxes.

[F]

I don't know.

[A]

He's gonna do this.

[B]

So how long will that.

[F]

Everyone's gonna come to Florida now.

[B]

How long will that take?

[F]

I don't know. But I posted yesterday that he put on the bill, he's like, I'm abolishing taxes. It's going to be on the vote. I want you guys to vote for it. So he's giving people the power to vote for no property taxes.

[B]

Whoa.

[D]

It's pretty.

[B]

You don't even. Pretty big 100.

[F]

So who's gonna. Sucks that he's leaving?

[A]

Like, yeah, that's. What's his name. It's a black guy. Yeah. Yeah. Really good, dude. Really good. And actually, I'm excited because he's leaving. Desantis is done in two years.

[B]

Wait, you can't run again.

[A]

No. You got two terms in Florida as a governor.

[B]

Whoa. He's already been governed.

[A]

Welcome to Politics.

[F]

Maybe he can become a sheriff. Like have Grady go up there. He'd be the governor.

[A]

He beat the. The. The crack smoking black guy the first.

[B]

Time.

[A]

And then he beat Charlie Chris.

[F]

The guy before Rick Scott.

[B]

Yeah, well, Rick Scott's a piece of.

[A]

Yeah, he's a.

[B]

He's the one that tanked FRS.

[A]

He tanked Evers added us paying 3%, upped it from 25 to 30, and then DeSantis brought it back. But the good news about the guy running Byron, he doesn't like Greg.

[F]

Tony.

[A]

I'm told the Broward sheriff, he's very pro cop, pro law enforcement garbage man. Oh, God.

[B]

I have a. I have a. Let's talk a little bit of gossip. Oh, you have a problem with Lee County Sheriff. Correct.

[A]

Everybody does. Yeah.

[B]

What? Okay, can you just enlighten me? Lee county is a serif. Marcel. Marcel Carmon.

[A]

Marcino. Carmine Marcino. He is a. I'm way off. He is a. The typical. He's just a complete piece of. There's rumors there that I had one of his employees, Rich Bellini, on Who was. That was a group chat guy. Guys. So what he did was guy gets in a altercation with his only. I guess he fits her in the driveway. That guy's wrong. He like blocks his old lady in whatever. They get in a fight, they take his phone and nobody knows how, but they go through his phone and they find the group chat and everybody in the group chat that said anything negative about command staff was getting called in one by one and then they like disbanded. They disband the canine unit. They basically forced a bunch of guys to resign or quit. That's just one thing. And then he's got a dispatcher he allegedly like paid for her boob job with county money.

[B]

No, we. No way. No way that happened.

[A]

I got sources. I've got sources.

[B]

What are your sources saying? That the sheriff from Lee county paid for him.

[F]

So can they take the boots back.

[B]

Paid for his dispatchers?

[A]

I'm not saying that. I'm telling you that multiple people have said that.

[F]

How.

[A]

But they take the money, they go hand it to the guy and then they take the money and then they do the surgery and then everybody leaves.

[F]

So those boobs technically aren't hers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't prove. I can't prove that. I'm just telling you what employees at the. At that multiple people have multiple employees.

[B]

That the sheriff of Lee County. What's his name?

[A]

Carmine Marcino.

[B]

Carmine, look at you. You're. Now you're looking like you don't want to talk about it.

[A]

No.

[B]

For his disc I did a whole episode about it.

[A]

I did a whole episode about it. The Rich Bellini episode Unlocked double cobble.

[F]

It's a lot of Italian names today.

[A]

The other things where he does he. You could tell if somebody's a piece of is he makes a video about street racing and says we will not talk. He's slick.

[F]

He's.

[A]

He has a slick tick tock where he ends it with we'll beat your ass but you would love don't commit Quran in Lee county. Something a giraffe. If you up here, we'll beat your ass. He just says some dumb Dominzo hates it. But anyway, he makes a video completely. You can't street race. We're gonna crack down. We're gonna do. He gets. And then he gets caught going 150 in a Lamborghini.

[B]

The sheriff does. Sheriff?

[A]

Yeah, 140 something crazy on video. People got video of him doing like 140. Then he drives around with no seat belt on with his constituents with doing tick tocks and he's not wearing a seat belt. He's just willy nilly doing whatever he wants. He is the epitome of crookedness. I talked to guys at his agency, had a guy that got shot by his agency or during his career him sideways. They are terrible, terrible people over there. His undersherif is like not even a real comp. I'll tell you this. I don't know if it's coincidence, but I brought the underserved issues up on my episode and two weeks later he was moved.

[B]

Well, 784 Bravo asks a good question. Mercy know how it drives a Lambo? Yeah, he has a lamb.

[E]

He's got video.

[A]

You go to his tick tock. He's got videos.

[B]

He owns a Lamborghini.

[A]

He drives one.

[D]

He's.

[A]

His last name ends in a vowel. His last name ends in a vowel.

[B]

Holy cow.

[A]

Here's the more reason John's got an.

[B]

App in with Lee County.

[A]

Here, here's the more recent stuff. Is that stuff that tattoos and beards.

[B]

I did do. And he takes pride in that.

[A]

I did that episode. And there's also guys coming forward now saying that their watch commanders on multiple occasions ordered their deputies not to help FHP during high risk calls like pursuits and bailouts and stuff like don't help him because he's got beef with like agencies over there. So you just like we talked about ice and locals, now you got deputies refusing to. I'm sorry, deputies want to Help. You have command staff at Lee county ordering deputies not and I have CAD notes screenshots of the call notes to say we're not getting involved or do not assist. Whoa, that's coming from Carmine Marcino, the sheriff that's saying don't help guys that are in foot pursuits. Bailouts, stolen cars, high risk felony stops. We're not helping them. And those guys my problem with they're unchecked. Dude, they're unchecked. They are the most powerful people in this state. There's nothing dude, it's nuts. Go try to make a complaint on the sheriff.

[B]

They're gonna tell you complain to.

[A]

That's go ahead. Good start.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

There's like a board of ethics Fd.

[B]

Don'T care fd they can't.

[A]

They don't get well.

[B]

They might not have authority.

[A]

Anybody can rest the sheriff. There's this old rule out there that nobody can rest the sheriff. Anybody can oso account by the feds.

[B]

Aio well yeah, that was Lopez. Lopez piece of his wife just got arrested again. Yeah, they were probably on similar char the same thing.

[A]

What they're. What they were doing was you know the illegal arcades everywhere. Yeah, they had their own set of arcades and then they were enforcing all the laws of the ones they didn't weren't involved in. And they were pushing everybody to their.

[E]

Own monopoly like 25.

[A]

And it was all illegal. You can't do it at all. And he was running them so him and his wife. But he was another one.

[B]

I gotta love the innovation there. As if you're six figure salary.

[A]

But these guys do things. Sheriffs do things that you would be fired on the spot. They, they're flippant with money. They are they. They speed. They do everything that you would be gone. You would be no, no. Cops do some dumb but not that to that level. You can't go get caught going 150 in a Lambo on tick tock.

[F]

And you're.

[A]

You're there. It's gonna be like no big deal.

[F]

It's not possible.

[B]

Did he get pulled over?

[A]

I don't know what the deal was. He makes tick tock and he's bad.

[B]

Okay. Every time I ask you something about this guy, you go. I mean I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. I don't want to be quiet. I don't want to be quoted specific. He got caught speeding. It's on video like pulled over. I think True PD has all that stuff. True PD's done a ton of hit pieces on.

[B]

We're gonna have to watch that. And I don't know how, like, where we're getting a number from. You said caught speeding. Like, caught.

[A]

No, like. Like, super fat. There are. There's a whole Tick Tock. I don't.

[F]

I have too much.

[A]

Too much going on. There's a Tick Tock page just for car.

[B]

You're bringing it up.

[A]

You brought it up. Look up, look up. You didn't even get his name right. Look up Carmine Marcine. If you go to True pd, that's a great Instagram account to follow. True pd. He does documentaries. Type on all these leaders that are doing dumb. I know he has some stuff on Marcino, but there's a Tick Tock page just about Marcino, and every. There's multiple videos of him, like, involved in, like, shady money deals with, like, whoa. Mob guys. And there's all kinds of stuff with that guy Greg. Tony's another one. Like, I can go on and on. Like, I'm worried every time I leave here. Your buddy Mina, he don't like me. Like, none of them.

[B]

He don't like me either.

[A]

No, he definitely don't like you.

[B]

He don't like me either, but he.

[A]

Didn'T like me first.

[B]

Then he didn't like. Because of you.

[A]

Yeah, that's probably why. So they got them screenshots. Planet dude.

[E]

So.

[A]

Oh, boy. What else? I don't know.

[B]

Somebody else excited for that.

[D]

Too smart for you, man.

[A]

Tell me something. Tell me something good. Tell me about the quantum physics. Give me something.

[B]

Don't tell me about quantum.

[A]

Did we land on the moon?

[B]

Tyler's over there.

[A]

Did we land on the moon?

[B]

All right. I don't know.

[D]

Maybe. Maybe it's cheese.

[B]

Maybe. No, Moon landings are. Yes.

[D]

I. I don't think we.

[B]

We did.

[A]

I don't think we did.

[B]

I don't think we didn't. We did. I don't know.

[A]

No.

[D]

Propaganda was huge, man.

[F]

I've had so many videos about the Earth being flat. So now I'm confused.

[A]

Well, can we land on the moon?

[E]

No. No.

[A]

There we go. That's the First United.

[F]

Why do we not have anything else about the moon?

[A]

All right, that's all I got.

[F]

But we know more about our.

[A]

This podcast is much better now because everybody.

[B]

Well, Bradley still believes in the moon landing.

[A]

Oh, no.

[F]

Elon's got billions of dollars and he doesn't own the moon.

[A]

Damn it.

[F]

We're not on the moon.

[A]

Bradley, get out of here, man. We gotta ask Luis if he believes in the moon landing. I don't know if he believes in anything interesting. Oh, it's so good. Those. So for those that don't know, we have Bradley here produces the night show. And then we have Lewis during the day. And Lewis is different. Great kid, but if you ask him a question, there's like a 9 to 10 second delay on every question. And then the answer to like, hey, the show is about to start in three minutes. Everything's broke. We have no audio, no video, and it's echoing. He's like 9 seconds, 12 seconds. Interesting. And I see Tyler, like, it's not a him. It's not. It's just Matt. He got mad at me the other day. Like our first day together, we. He got really mad at me because I changed the password. Oh, you were furious.

[F]

Everything.

[B]

By the way, I'm gonna go grab some pizza.

[A]

But Lewis is great. Lewis, but he is. He's delayed. Like. And then he says, interesting. He fixes it always does. He never, never fails. But it's very scary when he doesn't. He didn't say anything for 10 seconds. And I watched Tyler start to get as anti as I am.

[B]

What's Tyler, where can again? Let's plug you. You're a veteran owned apparel company.

[E]

Yep. Yeah, it's called High Order.

[B]

High Order.

[E]

And the Instagram is hgh.

[B]

O R D R. Okay.

[E]

I had to do that because apparently having the word high in your name makes Instagram think it's a drug page.

[C]

So.

[E]

Yeah, we just. I'm an EOD guy, so it's like a lifestyle clothing brand kind of for military guys. But a lot of my designs are EOD based, so Instagram page kind of has all the content.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

All right.

[B]

John. Sir, if somebody is in the central Florida area, are you still taking clients? Are you moving on to bigger and better things?

[F]

I don't really broadcast. I kind of keep it private.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

But I'm just really losing the passion and something in my life. If I'm not 100, I don't want.

[A]

To be in it.

[F]

Yeah, same as what. Why back to out in law enforcement? Because I also have mental problems in the suicide attempt. I'm full fledged. I want to go back into law enforcement. I want to bring healing the heroes back into law enforcement. Help the people who are suffering, man. Because I know so many cops are calling me. They're like, they don't trust the. The shrinks and stuff through their department.

[B]

No, absolutely not.

[F]

And I'm not going to banker at you. I'm gonna Sit there.

[A]

I'm.

[F]

Listen, I'm gonna support you because what I wanted for me is I wanted to be able to talk and feel safe. And I don't feel enough of veterans and first responders feel safe explaining how weak they feel right now, how lost and how much they're hurting, instead of just being like, okay, you're taking offline. Okay, you're gonna be banker.

[B]

I.

[F]

And we don't. I don't want to. I don't want anything to feel like that. And I feel like there's this stigma where if you even say, man, I'm not feeling right in the head, you're gonna be taken off duty. Yeah.

[B]

So you're an advocate of just because someone. It. You're not using it as a cya. Like, oh, I gotta Baker at this guy because he said he doesn't feel good in the head. Because when I left the job, I was literally walking away from 80. 80% of suicidal calls. I was like, I'm not taking somebody for this. And I'm not even trying to get out of a report because we know a Baker port's about this big. There's nothing. It's the easiest report ever. And I'm still. If I just. It's.

[A]

It's a shitty call.

[F]

It is.

[A]

Because if you don't do it, if you try to go with your gut and go, man, this dude doesn't need to go get locked up in the hospital for 72 hours and he does something, you're. Yeah.

[B]

And the crappy thing is, is that they make it so easy for you. You can never get in trouble for Baker acting somebody. It's not a constitutional rights thing. You're not violating. So the Baker act in Florida is involuntary. What would you call that? Detainment. And transported to a. For psychiatric help. So it's against your will, but it's not.

[A]

Again, the Constitution still applies because I see a lot of guys making a mistake. If you're watching, it doesn't give you carte blanche to start tearing their bags apart and searching.

[B]

Yeah, no, no, no, no. But Baker acting somebody, like. It's not like a wrongful arrest. You are literally, if you could say, if you could put in a paragraph why you did it. You're good, huh? You pumping them right on camera there, dude?

[E]

Kind of filters that.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Kind of filters that. That big leg filter.

[A]

But yes, it's It. It. And you know, you're always trying to. You're right.

[E]

It's.

[A]

There's no reason to blow A baker act off. Because it's simple.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It literally is. Like, take them there. There's a paragraph. You write it, turn it in and. But you can see where it could be abused and done. It doesn't need to.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I've baked the same guy 30, 40 times.

[F]

They begged me, please don't put me in there. Until I was Baker acted. I went to Lakeland Regional. I was treated like, really? And I hid. I hid. I was very polite until a security guard, Alfonso, I. Officer Avery, I'm like, yeah.

[B]

Really? The hardest part.

[F]

Baker guy recognized me, but. And then now my eyes opened and I was like, too many people use a bake rack to take. Just get somebody off their plate. Family members just annoying them. They don't want to deal with it. Let's show them love. Let's show them care. Let's show them they have somebody who can be there for them. Let's change their life.

[A]

If I couldn't figure out the big ride, just call for ems, Call the fire department.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. This guy's done that a lot.

[A]

That.

[F]

That need the bakery. They just want to be heard. They just want to felt like they have support.

[A]

Well, you're.

[D]

What you're saying is you. You're trying to be human towards these people, but the system has kind of.

[B]

I'm telling you right now, I'm just going to ask.

[D]

They stripped that out.

[A]

They.

[D]

They demoralized.

[B]

Really think you're gonna do another 20 years of. With this attitude? I think you'll get about three months in and be like these.

[F]

Yeah. I mean, situation dictates. And every police call, situation definitely dictates. And experience comes a long way. But I think as an addict, I was an addict. I can meet that criteria for another addict and get to them. Because as a cop who was a non addict, and I told them, man, I understand how you feel. I hated that. I still hate that for my therapist. That's why I only do military therapists. Because you don't know what I've been through. You didn't have so many dying your arms. You didn't see your buddy get blown up. So don't sit here and patronize me and say, oh, I know what you've been through. Yeah, you know, so as an addict to another addict, I can be like, listen, this is my story. This is what I did. I took the sacrifices and I'm better now.

[A]

And you know what? You are the perfect guy for that. And the problem in law enforcement is people get to that position because they don't want to do real police work work. You're there because you lived it. You are a real cop. You've done the real stuff. But what happens in these agencies is they put people in there DI hires and people that don't have any experience because they're not sufficient to work the road or they're tiny or whatever the problem may be and they just shove them in these units and it's like they're not an expert. They don't have any real life experience. And now they're the ones between a guy who wants to blow his brains out and not. And they have no way to really relate. So you got some 19 year old college kid telling you as a freaking war vet like hey man, it's gonna be good. It's all good. We're great here today. Like no. So I, I do advocate for what you're talking about and then the some agencies are going to like like veteran responses where they have like a civil. We were trying to get that happen services not only so sir we had a group come in that was like a non profit that said we will go with you to those calls and try to relate and talk to this person as not they're not going to walk in the door.

[F]

But now you're my liability.

[A]

That's the problem because now everybody wants to sue you. Now everybody wants to write you up and all that stuff. So it's like that's where I agree.

[F]

We.

[A]

You need to be a little more compassionate with those cases and not make them. So you're going to get in trouble if you do this. You're going to get in trouble. You don't do that. Why don't we worry about that person's mental health and worry about the policies and the rules later. Let's get them better. And I think it's all been washed by the wrong people getting in the wrong positions and, and not like you. I can see the passion in you and how serious like I would want you going.

[B]

I'm not even, I'm. I'm not even kidding dude. If, if a sheriff or a chief doesn't see what you can bring to the table and make you do. Make you do your standard road time for that department. You don't get a free pass like everybody else. Right. You do your standard. You should be spearheading the whole unit. The, the behavioral health unit and I.

[F]

Would love to go that route and open up my own thing because you.

[B]

Would have to deal with the people other than first responders and veterans. But at least, but at least you have a passion for that field. It is going to go to a knucklehead that can't, that can't do the job. So they're going to move somewhere or it's going to be somebody that is spearheading it but just wants to be a. The person that creates something at their department. And I know from experience, the department I was at, the guy got the gig because he kept going to other people saying, we don't have a behavioral health unit. Why are we the only ones not having it? And so of course, damage control, they go, all right, you want to do it? Because now we can't be, we can't be the only agency that has the resources and funds to do it, and we didn't do it. So then this I can't remember. He's a sergeant. I can't remember his name. He all of a sudden became like.

[F]

A MIC story.

[B]

But it, but it's.

[A]

All serious and he throws a retard in there.

[B]

My, and my, my argument is if you're gonna have a behavioral health unit, you can't be a 9 to 5 unit Monday through Friday because guess what? People aren't suicidal Monday through Friday, 9 to 5.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So if you want to go to that unit because it's the hours get the out, we need those guys out there at 2am on a Sunday morning, technically Saturday night. Or technically Sunday morning, Saturday night, rolling with patrol, showing up, not patrol, still needs to do their job. But at the end of the day, a suicidal person is not that often. Suicide calls. Sure. Like 20 Bravo calls that we call. Sure.

[A]

And look, I love where you're going with this because we waste money on community affairs and all this garbage and there's not like a hybrid position. But a guy like him is. That's the guy that should be responding to that. Like a specialty unit that is on call or can come in whenever. Because I don't care what classes you go to, what they teach you, and you become some college kid that has a degree and whatever, whatever. For mental health, you can't learn what he know, what he's been through. You can't teach. Well, how he knows to talk to somebody that's going through what he's gone through. And it may not apply to every single case, but it's going to apply to a lot more cases than somebody who sat in a classroom and learned it through a book. No. So you should be like. What you're talking about is, is really, really should be. They won't listen. But that, that's something I would go, wait a second.

[F]

You'd be surprised how many people from Polk county agencies that I know come to me.

[A]

I'm sure I don't go there and it makes sense, but nobody will. You can't get somebody in that building that gets paid all those dollars with all those fancy little initials next to their email signature. Msbs, FBI this, that. You can't get any of them to go, bing. Well, this is a good idea. Well, it's not in the KALIA book. Let me look. It doesn't say anything about our accreditation. We can't figure it out. No. Sometimes you got to go outside the box and go, we're going to bring this guy in. We're going to have him start doing this, bring people around him that he knows can perform that same job. And let's see if this helps with mental health and not having people commit suicide and not getting into fights with. With people in crisis instead of getting them. Instead of fighting them, getting them help. But it's outside the box. It's not in some KALIA manual. It's not an accreditation. They're going to tell you it's stupid. The FBI didn't teach them.

[F]

Oh, they do. They push away our nonprofits. Suicide, and then they'll tell us to come back in. It makes too much sense left and right.

[A]

It makes too much sense. And it's not in the. The I'm a dumbass admin book that.

[F]

They learned when they want a microbench, they don't have their fingers in there so they can put a pretty bow on it. But I could care less if I'm nationally known. I know what it's like to suffer. I suffered for 10 years and I was screaming inside every single day until I put a gun to my chest. And then once I took accountability, I repented to those people and I got rid of my entire old life. Life, all of my friends, all of my hobbies. And I started new. I started processing. And then being sober and not smoking and dipping and doing all the stupid stuff. Being in bed by 8, not being out at 3am you know, my brain cleared. And then I'm like, I have a testimony. People started gravitating towards that, especially law enforcement. Military started speaking at AA centers, treatment centers. And then I became a resiliency coach. We have all these retired cops that are now resiliency coaches.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

And it's just there's not enough help out there for our veterans and first responders and of Course, citizens need it too. So I branch off to the side. I do that on my own, not a part of the non profit because they don't get paid. And I actually use my VA disability to pay for lunches, to pay for boating days. We have lake days where we get veterans, first responders and citizens to come and we just chill out, we talk and we let people speak and the kids are playing. We'll go boating, tubing, we'll cater it. Everything's for the better.

[A]

That's a gimmick.

[B]

Can you, can you pay for me to go voting?

[F]

I mean, you can come some of.

[A]

The comments and I agree. Maybe Justin, Justin's got a great show. Donut shop pockets. You need your own. You need a pod. Like what? You need to come on one of our shows, dive deeper into your story where it's not so quick and we're not kind of, you know, there's a lot. But we should, we should have one of the not guys in the counterculture network do a pod with you, do a whole two hour front to back what you went through so that way somebody can sit and watch it maybe. So, you know, if it catches one life, it's worth it.

[F]

Well, anybody who's watching, I post all of my testimonies on my Facebook. I take accountability of what my crap is. And then he's my experiences to better myself and other people.

[A]

Yeah, we need to get that out on these platforms.

[B]

John Avery, is that I can type in John Avery and I'm gonna find you.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Personal training shirt and they'll have Healing the heroes.

[A]

We'll get it. Well, you text me, I'll just say.

[B]

It for people listening.

[A]

Yeah, people listen. But I'm saying I can put it out on Copville or put it on Story. We'll pump that. But I think it's a great thing. And I think, you know, there's, there's and you know, guys will look at you and your, your physique plays into that. It helps you in indirectly that somebody can look at a guy like you and go, he can't have any problems. He's jacked. He's got a beer, he's got problems.

[F]

Exactly.

[A]

And then somebody will relate to that and go, if this guy can have problems, like I'm allowed to have problems. Some guys just refuse to say they have problems because I'm a big tough guy. I can't have problems.

[D]

Well, you can't see it really, because when you're at work, that's when you're in your Happy place.

[F]

But we're taught as men at a young age, you sucker the up. Yeah, I even did that to my daughters when I got sober. I changed my parenting. I now go up to my daughters. Are you all right? Well, of course I'm gonna give them tough love. Like, all right, like, let's get up and go. But now I have emotions. I have empathy. I have sympathy. I learned my love languages. I'm human again. I wasn't human for 10 years. I was a robot. An alcoholic robot that only knew how to kick indoors and do as told.

[A]

Cold.

[D]

Yeah. At least for me. Like, when I'm on the line and I'm at work, like, my PTSD is gone. When I go home and I lay my kid down to change her diaper, I think of. I think of all the dead kids dealt with.

[F]

The adrenaline from the job was gone. I had to drink.

[B]

Yeah, that's crazy, because most people turn it off when they get home. You turn it off.

[D]

It's that and it's life stressors that flare up my ptsd.

[E]

Like, I'll go.

[D]

I'll go to work. I'll hang out with the guys. Like, an example is a guy I worked with for three years. We were partners on the truck. Same truck together. We ran probably a total of 1800 calls in three years together. And he died on the job. Like, he died on the shift that morning after he kissed his dad at the training center. Went Back to station 1 5,000pound trailer fell on him. And our guys worked the scene. By the way, I was supposed to be on the truck, but thank God I got switched shifts. That was my partner.

[B]

He's dead.

[D]

And so it's. It's a whole nother level. When you go back to work that day and everything's restructured, the department totally changes its outfit. You know what I'm saying? Everything gets stripped down at the bottom and rebuilt back up. But when I'm at work, I'm free.

[B]

Yeah, I'm good.

[D]

I'm with my boys.

[A]

You know, I experienced that same thing. You know, that's. And everybody's different. That was my version was one of the comments.

[F]

So one of the people, they're talking about crying. So one of the biggest healing things for me is crying. I cry probably once a week.

[A]

I go to the beach.

[F]

A couple weeks ago, I went to the beach in the rain, and I just sat and grounded myself and I cried. And I used to think, starting off in recovery, my therapist says, I don't want to cry. He's like, like you're grieving something that happened in your life and it's okay. You don't have to be a warrior every single day. And once I started crying, probably regularly, like once or twice a week and just releasing that emotion that I sucked up every freaking day. I felt great. The rest of the week I felt normal, I felt happy. But as soon as I bottle things up, that's when my life started to crumble. Even now, like I go, I get at least two to three beach days a week. I was tan. Grounding is huge. Mental health with the sun, vitamin D, which we don't naturally make. We need it from other sources. And a lot of people, especially when I was depressed, I stayed inside. I didn't go outside the sun. And that's when my mental health just went down. The voices started coming back. So, you know, whatever you can do. Ask other people in recovery as well, what are your tools that you used? Because my story might not work for you and your story may not work for him, but we gather tools from each person that worked for them. We make our own tool bag. And every couple of months I'll take a tool out and I'll throw a new one in because it's not going to work forever. That friend that has been in my life for the past two years, I got to get rid of them. And the analogy I use is some people are like rocket or boosters on a rocket. Those boosters take you out of space. And they dropped on her because they.

[B]

Never went to the moon, they never.

[A]

Moved to the moon.

[F]

But certain people are putting your life just get you to a certain point and they got to go away whatever reason. And then a new person comes in and guides you and keeps you going.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

So.

[D]

Well, I think guys that like go through experiences like you went through, I mean, plus all of us here, we've been through some sort of PTSD man, and, and there's our own levels to it. But we, we play a huge role in helping other people that are going through the same job that either we're in or we were in, whatever. Because I never wanted to go talk to someone at UCF restores. I didn't want to go sit down and talk with a therapist or someone who's never done the things I've done. I wanted to talk to the guys that, you know, slept in the bunks.

[A]

You know, and when I. What I think is they've tried to make it like a one shot, one stop shop for the response to this. And it's anything. But I can tell you I have zero PTSD from any call I ever handled. And I handled some nasty ones. My psd. PTSD comes from an incident involving a family member completely not involved in the police work. And I didn't know PTSD existed until that incident happened. And the effects I felt since it happened, I didn't. Had no idea. I didn't know what it was. I saw dead babies. I did CPR on kids. I cut kids down from a. Hung himself on his bunk bed with a belt. Like 11 year old kid. Like I went through all that stuff. I went home and I was like, you know, it sucks, it's bad, it's miserable. But it never bothered me. Something happened to a family member and that was when I went holy. Like I know what this is now. I really get what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. But they make the response to it by writing a policy in our policy manual. And like they treat. You're supposed to treat every single person like you Baker Actum.

[F]

You do.

[A]

Like you said, taking this facility, it's miserable inside. Like not everybody needs that response. And we, we just kind of one stop shopping and move on. And it takes a. A very big approach to it with an open mind to, to in my opinion to really handle that the right way. And we, we here in Florida, we just take them all to the hospital.

[B]

Well, I'm glad you guys came up with the most awesome conversation at the very end of the show. So this is the time of the show where we read some positive comments or any comments really. You guys send the comments, we'll reply to them, we'll play some jams and we'll get out of here. But thank you guys so much for, for tuning in. It means a lot to us. You guys are the best.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Exhausted Colt 45 working with a recruiter for option 40 right now. Ranger contract.

[A]

Oh, the hardest cause I had on absolute hated was death notification. Yeah, that we talked about that the other day.

[B]

I've never done one.

[A]

Oh God. Dude.

[B]

Never an official death noticing.

[A]

Yes, that's.

[F]

That's when you just have to. You turn off all humans.

[B]

You have to. And then you get.

[A]

I. I worked. I worked a homicide where there's missing 17 year old and he was just. He was shot in the woods and killed by his buddy. I had to go tell his mom that we found him and that he was dead. It was the worst, dude.

[F]

The worst. The worst. I think I talked to my buddy the other day. What you still hear is the screaming.

[A]

Well My worst. Yeah. We had a kid get launched off a bridge by a dui. And I could still hear that. His name's Cole. And they yelled. It was 2am on a bridge. Complete silence, no cars. Everything was blocked off. And they yelled his name for hours. Two parents. And it was like. Like I said, I, I, I doesn't. It doesn't ruin me. It is that. That is what I hear the most of.

[B]

Like that. That screaming.

[A]

I can still hear it.

[B]

Agony.

[A]

Coley. Coley. Cold. I'm like, God, every time they said it, I was just like, we're in boats in the water looking for this poor kid that got launched off a bridge.

[F]

Jeez.

[A]

From like, 100ft up. We found him at, like, 4:00am oh, damn.

[B]

I was gonna say maybe swim away.

[A]

No, he didn't swim away.

[B]

All right. Justin, Donut shop pocket. I wish you were. Oh, man. I was gonna say this when I rocked. I wish you were there. I wish you were. You need to come do this. Why do you guys talk to moon landing so much? Because I'm coming.

[A]

Everybody. Yeah, everybody argues about it.

[B]

William Carter. Great episode. Too bad so many missed out. Well, there's always next week and the week after. The week after.

[A]

If you liked it, if you like this episode and you like this format, please tell everybody. Like, obviously people aren't gonna like it, but this is what it is. We got firemen. We got marines. We got military guys. We got cop. This is for everybody. This is for everybody.

[B]

We're gonna.

[A]

It's not one stop shop talking about just one thing. We're not here to just go crazy.

[B]

This is.

[A]

This is what it's about.

[B]

I could just do it with these guys sitting here.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially this guy, man. He's smart.

[F]

Yeah. I honestly feel like I'm gaining knowledge just every time you open your mouth. I'm just a stupid jarhead.

[A]

I'm just a stupid everything.

[F]

Well, last time I had my crancher.

[A]

Worst podcaster, worst meme page, you name it, dude, I'm the.

[B]

Josh says, love the pod boys. Keep it up. And much love to all veterans and cops. We. We need to have each other's back. Check on your battle buddies regularly, please.

[C]

That's.

[B]

That is. A whole point of this show is creating a community for the boys, first responders, and veterans. Nailed it.

[F]

Text your buddies at least once a day. Text someone new.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[F]

I've had two people that I've sponsored say because you texted me today, I didn't end my life. So a simple word of kindness will Goes a long way.

[A]

Yeah. And. And. And be prepared, though. If you guys are getting near the end of your career, be prepared that. I hope that somebody's told you this. You. You lose about 95 of your friends that day.

[B]

We all need name tags.

[A]

Yeah. But you just be prepared to, like, at the near the end of your career that when it's time to make that move, you get involved in other things. Because when you go from high speed first responder work to none of it, you don't. I don't even want to say, guys just don't want to be your friend. You just don't. Like you said, you go to the station to hang out, and it becomes like the playground. And when you leave the playground, you kind of forget, who did I play with today?

[B]

We're supposed to leave the job in the comment section.

[A]

We are. The guy's got so many rules, man. I'm quitting.

[B]

I'm like, I'm playing music in my. I'm sorry.

[A]

We're still talking about intelligent things, and Tyler's playing his little speaker.

[B]

I said we're gonna engage the comments. And they're all commenting, saying, hey, guys.

[A]

And you guys are talking.

[E]

All right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now Mike's mad at you guys.

[A]

I'm mad at you.

[B]

Don't take it out, viewers. Mike, so great show.

[A]

Another Thursday night for the boys in the books. Thank you very much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Night shift. My night shift shirt on next week.

[B]

Think we're gonna have them.

[A]

We're gonna have them. All right.

[B]

That's how I felt when I retired from the army. No purpose anymore.

[A]

Yeah, it's tough.

[E]

Hobbies are important this week.

[B]

What is it Mike has Justice said? Mike hasn't talked.

[A]

I didn't say a word in Philly. I want to hear from you guys. I sat at the very end of the table and kept my mouth shut.

[B]

I found this podcast from the Special Forces stuff saying for you guys. Keep it up. Thanks, bro.

[F]

Mike, how are you reading that?

[A]

I can read from here.

[B]

I can't see that.

[F]

I can see it.

[B]

Barbara says, past my bedtime guarantee.

[E]

Barbara makes a crazy big cd. I guarantee it.

[A]

Oh, dude. As soon as you walk in the house, you know it.

[B]

784 Bravo says thanks to the Jack dude for being honest and sharing his experience.

[F]

Honestly is the best recipe.

[A]

I honestly. They see the one. Mike must be over target with all these haters.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't give a. I don't. I don't go in the comments anymore. I don't. I just did the Ian Bick podcast. It got like 20000 views in the first 24 hours. Everybody's like.

[B]

And you gotta look. Oh, let's say out of the hundred comments, 20 of them, 20 bad comments. That Mike is probably a crooked cop from people that don't know. And 20,000 views. Yeah, like that's the definition of the loud minority.

[F]

I don't know.

[B]

Unless you got that.

[A]

I think my thing Mike was crooked. No, but I don't.

[B]

People think you're Mike Dowd.

[A]

No, we're not. Mike. I would never wear a pink jacket. I'm in school for aerospace engineering. Currently I have quite a few contacts in the industry. Data doesn't just appear. The current work we do is built of that data and not trying to be a dick. Talking about the moon landing. My message. It's nice. It sounds like it will do. Camden has no money. Camden sucks. Oh, here we go. We don't have to baller busters in there. Do we have 20000 viewers right now? He waited long to come in.

[B]

Who's baller buster?

[A]

Your buddy, man. Where?

[F]

I don't see him.

[A]

The one. Oh, you probably.

[B]

Oh no. He's on the counter. Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

What'd he say?

[A]

Do you guys have 20000 viewers right now or does that.

[B]

I don't know. We know who that is.

[A]

Well, he can look right on the screen.

[E]

I was gonna say everyone else keeps talking about how many viewers they are. He must not see it.

[A]

We know who that is. We're not worried about that.

[B]

He was already in here earlier.

[A]

I I answer all DMS there. What is that green?

[B]

I'm gonna tell you right now. A lot of people with YouTube channels are. Have also they have really bad behavioral problems and they're. They're low self esteem people that need help anyways. They need help. They really do need help. And I pray for them. But then they get a YouTube channel that boosts their serotonin and now or their dopamine and now they. It literally makes them act like maniacs. And there was somebody that I engaged with recently that literally played me like a violin just so they could benefit all. And I've never seen maniacal behavior like that since I was in like junior high school with girls. It was really bad.

[A]

So somebody said we should have true PD on. He's actually might be coming in our network.

[B]

No, he's not.

[A]

He might let him in.

[B]

No, he ain't giving. Not that guy.

[D]

And there was no moon landing.

[A]

There wasn't lost all the data.

[D]

The only thing that gets me with the whole. Because all the stuff, you know, speculation. But the, the Van Allen Radiation belt is something that, I mean, we're sending stuff to the moon now without people because there's, he'll die.

[B]

We're not going to because we never went.

[E]

It makes too much sense in the Cold War at that time to just fake it. It just makes too much sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

What's on the bottom of the ocean.

[A]

That'S even more existing? I saw that the other day.

[E]

Probably saying.

[A]

They're saying there's lakes at the bottom of the ocean.

[B]

How does that even make sense, bro?

[A]

They're saying there's like a layer and there's like. Then it goes even deep.

[F]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

I, I, I hate that you just said that because I saw it and I tried to ignore it. And now I remember seeing the video that I skipped. And now I'm gonna have to go.

[F]

Back and watch it.

[B]

All right, that's it for the night, guys. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be back, we'll be back Monday morning at 11. We'll be back Thursday morning at 11. And of course, we'll be back here in this studio Thursday night, 8pm Spread the word. But I could give a. If it's just all of us and you guys here, that's all I care about. So we'll see you again. See you Monday.

[A]

Welcome to the Night shift. Sam Sa.