Tulsi Gabbard's Office RAIDED By CIA?? Or NOT?? (05/14/2026)

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast

Episode Title: Tulsi Gabbard's Office RAIDED By CIA?? Or NOT??
Date: May 14, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Tyler, Mike, with guests Ryan (G Money), Jay, Dominic Izzo, and others

Episode Overview

This episode tackles the swirling rumors and conspiracy theories around an alleged “CIA raid” on Tulsi Gabbard’s office regarding JFK assassination and MK Ultra files. The show, targeting veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans, dives into current events, government transparency, law enforcement incidents, and controversial cultural issues, including an extended discussion on the MOVE bombing, debates on women in policing, and more. The panel’s banter is marked by irreverence, skepticism toward government and mainstream media, and a healthy dose of dark, blue-collar humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tulsi Gabbard’s Office Allegedly "Raided" by CIA

• Context & Rumor: Fox News/Jesse Watters reported via a CIA whistleblower that Gabbard's office was raided for files on the JFK assassination and MK Ultra. Her spokesperson denied the raid, adding to the intrigue.
  • Tyler (13:04): “...Fox News, Jesse Waters put out...the CIA went to her office and took a bunch of files that were...JFK and MK Ultra...Tulsi Gabbard’s spokesperson said...that is not true. That sounds a little suspicious.”
  • Ryan (13:45): “The CIA shouldn’t be operating within...the United States...there is a deep state...there are bad actors within our government...this has to do with the JFK files...”
• Deep State & Historical Parallels: The group draws connections to Nixon/Watergate, referencing ongoing “deep state” concerns and coverups (14:42).
• MK Ultra Tie-In: High interest in what remains hidden about CIA’s LSD/human experimentation programs. Unreleased files cited as “damning.”
• JFK Assassination Theories: Broad agreement that the JFK assassination was a government inside job, referencing organized crime, Cubans, and the "military-industrial complex" as potential conspirators.

Notable Quotes

• Ryan (16:26): “Before Jack Ruby dies, guy from MK Ultra visited him in the cell room...then Jack Ruby goes absolutely nuts...and then he dies.”
• Mike (16:52): “Do you think enough time has passed...if the moon landing ends up being told the truth...that people are just gonna be like, whatever?”
• Nick (20:13): “The CIA can’t raid offices, least of all the offices of the Director of National Intelligence. Real life isn’t supposed to work this way. This is crazy.”

Segment Timestamps

• Rumor Introduction and Breakdown: 13:04–18:52
• Analysis of CIA, Deep State, and Corruption: 14:42–21:08
• Contextual & Historical Discussion: 21:08–28:18

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2. MOVE Bombing, Cuba, Black Wall Street: Government Overreach & Race

• Historical Reflection: Ryan brings up the MOVE bombing (Philadelphia, 1985) and Tulsa’s Black Wall Street massacre as examples of government violence against marginalized groups, contrasting it to Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Chaz.
  • Ryan (77:54): “Yes, you know, the police from a helicopter dropped C4 on these people and they did not allow fire department to intervene for 90 minutes...five adults were killed and six children also lost their lives.”
  • G Money (80:58): “What is history...inform us what might be possible for this present moment and for the future from this government?”
• Racial Disparity in State Violence: The group explores how responses to Black/brown communities differ from those to white dissident communities.

Segment Timestamps

• MOVE Bombing and State Violence: 73:53–81:55
• Discussion of U.S. Foreign Policy, Embargoes, and Cuba: 82:14–87:49
• Broader Political/Social Implications: 84:14–92:49

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3. Policing, Use-of-Force, and Viral Cases

Chud the Builder Shooting

• Breakdown of a controversial livestreamer ("Chud the Builder") who provoked people with racial slurs, was punched, shot his assailant, and then himself. He now faces multiple charges. Extended debate around Tennessee’s “stand your ground” law, freedom of speech vs. hate speech, and the social media effect on real-world violence.
  • Tyler (33:54): “He was exercising his first amendment right. He wasn’t threatening anybody...A guy punched him and he shot him. And that’s it.”
  • Mike (35:53): “It seems very easy. I say I’m going to stand here...You hit me, I shoot you. It is 100...”
• Complexities introduced by livestreaming, the ease of provocation, and blurred lines of self-defense.
• Strong consensus that hate speech is legally protected but socially damaging; law isn’t clear enough.
• Debate whether provoking violence should receive special legal treatment; mention of the possibility of federal hate crime charges.

Female Cop Shooting Video

• Panel critiques a viral bodycam video where a female officer, during a shootout, is described as panicking, firing without clear sight, and endangering her colleagues.
  • Tyler (62:15): “If you think you’re gonna push me into the fatal funnel so you can get your gun on what you think is the bad guy, like, that is the most insane thing I’ve ever seen in my life.”
• Consensus: Officer’s behavior was dangerous and symptomatic of deeper training or fitness issues.

Women in Policing Debate

• Extended, tough-love exchange about physical standards, gender quotas, and the value of exceptional female cops.
  • Dominic Izzo (110:30): “If I had [the authority], I am going right back to a 5’10 minimum height requirement and no females...”
• Praising exceptional women but agreeing the minimum bar should be physical and skill-based, not based on diversity quotas.
• Assertion that standards have been lowered, harming departments and the public.

Notable Quotes

• Izzo (109:41): “You can’t grow unless you have a balanced view.”
• Mike (117:46): “If you swear in a [small, weak] female, you should go to prison the day she gets killed...”
• Tyler (119:20): “It feels good to see other dudes go, yeah, that’s not good. It’s okay to not want a woman to come to your rescue...”

Segment Timestamps

• Chud the Builder: 31:01–46:46 (main discussion)
• Female LE video: 56:00–63:36
• Women in Policing: 106:05–123:49

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4. Law Enforcement Community & Podcast Community

• Lots of jokes about “Chad the Builder” types, “tick tock cops,” and internet provocateurs.
• Open expression of skepticism at government/media narratives, encouragement for independent thinking.
• Ongoing jokes about “JV Team for Life,” inside jokes about community members.
• Strong sense of fraternity among the hosts and recurring guests, including disagreement with respect and humor.

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5. Community Building: App Launch & Patreon

• New Antihero mobile/web app ($25/month after free trial) for exclusive behind-the-scenes content, direct community connection, no platform fees.
  • Mike (6:04): “This app does everything, so Patreon’s gonna stay alive. ...No people taking our money...There’s going to be another private giveaway just for the app...”
  • Jay (7:53): “...it’s got everything in there. I mean, we’ve got calendars in there, all of your show...it’s better than Patreon, better than Discord.”
• Patreon and multiple tiers remain available. Community engagement (runs, videos, direct conversations) highlighted as a benefit.
• Heavy blue-collar, veteran, and law enforcement focus.
• Timestamps for App Segment: 06:02–12:27

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6. Rapid Fire: Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Hurt feelings is not defamation." — Tyler (00:00)
• "I am an Olympic athlete." — Tyler, joking about his run times (05:30)
• Ryan (41:27): “That type of behavior is dangerous and can easily get somebody hurt or unalived. Hate speech that’s meant to intimidate, provoke or terrorize people should be taken seriously...”
• Mike (93:33): “...we are puppets to the elite... But unfortunately what Tyler just said is also true. We all go to war together... and then I think Ryan ended up a little better out of this than Tyler. Why don’t we...”
• G Money (103:14): “...we may be disagreeing because I’m right, you guys are talking...”
• Dominic Izzo (128:22): “Every female I’ve ever worked with...has gotten sexually involved with somebody they worked with, or the bordering agency, or multiple guys…”

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• App/Community Announcement: 06:02–12:27
• Tulsi Gabbard/CIA Raid Main Segment: 13:04–28:18
• MOVE Bombing, Black Wall Street, Race-State Violence: 73:53–81:55
• Chud the Builder Shooting Case: 31:01–46:46
• LE Bodycam Debrief: 56:00–63:36
• Women in Policing Debate: 106:05–123:49

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Additional Highlights

• Bold Claims About Government Cover-Up: Strong skepticism toward "official stories" regarding both current events (JFK, MK Ultra, Epstein, UFOs) and historical state crimes.
• Dark Humor & Blue-Collar Camaraderie: Frequent inside jokes, ribbing about running, weights, and "not being real men," as well as community shoutouts.
• Call to Action: Subscribe on YouTube, join the app, engage with the community instead of being just a passive consumer.

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Conclusion

A classic, raucous Antihero Broadcast episode: deeply skeptical of authority and the “official version” of any sensitive event, the team examines government overreach, the dangers of culture war, and the need for true community. The panel balances deeply serious subject matter—state violence, the right to self-defense, and gender standards in policing—with brash, working-class humor and a dose of self-deprecation.

For listeners wanting an irreverent take on “the news for Americans who put it all on the line,” this episode delivers in spades.

Transcript

[Tyler]

The information provided by the speakers and presenters on the Anti O broadcast platform is for general informational and entertainment purposes only. Information does not represent the broadcast network and all entities involved. All information is provided in good faith. However, we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability or completeness of this information. Hurt feelings is not defamation. JV Team for Life Good afternoon. It is Thursday, April oh, May 14, 2026. The anti air broadcast is the news entertainment broadcast for veterans, first responders and all blue collar Americans. We go live Monday through Friday at 1pm Eastern Time on YouTube, Facebook and X. So if you're fan of the show, please subscribe. This show is of course brought to you by ghostbay. Go to ghostb.com save 10% on their already ridiculously low prices pillowcases, mattress toppers, cooling patented technology sheets and their war winning mattresses and that free shipping too. So if you need to replace something in the bedroom go to ghostbed.com forward/antihero. It'll save you 10 and it'll tell them that we sent you an elevated silence. Go to elevatedsounds.com Use promo code ANTIHERO15 Save 15 on your suppressor everything from 22s to 50 cows Exercise your Second Amendment right. Get yourself a can. The process is not that hard and Jim will walk you through it. Go to elevated sounds.com use promo code antire15 save 15 encounter culture inc. Go to counterculture inc. Threads.com and use promo code anti hero save 15 on the best and counterculture graphic tee stickers has team room flags, zip up hoodies, pullover hoodies, Ranger panties. You need it? We got it at countercultureincthreads.com use promo code anti arrow this shirt for example death or glory is a shirt that I made from what's that flash? They're a bunch of liberals singing about death or glory so it could be used either way. And this badass hat I'm wearing that's crooked but I don't care to fix it so it's gonna count. Covering that dome Anti arrow say 15.

[Mike]

Thank God that hat is covering that dome. And don't forget to go to cottville og.com where you can get this shirt stickers, war hats, the real warheads that fit your head. Use code ANTIRE15 for 15 off. I appreciate all the business. I got new patches, about four or five new patches coming in. Should be in by the end of the week. So go to cottvilleog.com. it's so good it makes Tyler get off the screen and leaves just me here. What better could you ask for than going to cop.com to get rid of Tyler. It didn't work. Didn't work.

[Tyler]

Sorry I lost you in the audio.

[Mike]

Before we, before we get started, there's always some sad things we have to talk about. And unfortunately on Monday, I overlooked this on Monday, but in Greenville, Greenwood Police Department, South Carolina Police Officer D.J. keller was killed in a head on collision during a pursuit of a driver. We know that pursuits are bad. People who flee should be taken out as fast as possible. Unfortunately, Don, DJ Keller was hit head on, head on by the fleeing vehicle and the driver was age 15 with two passengers. You guys can do your own demographic map on that. But during Police Week, the beginning of Police Week, which we honor, the fallen D.J. keller was killed. He is a United States Army National Guard veteran who served with the Greenwood Police Department for three years. So God rest his soul, God bless his family and all the officers that work with Officer Keller.

[Tyler]

You know, and I mean, it sounds bad, but at least the, I mean, at least the canine survived.

[Mike]

I mean, yes, just another thing like, you know, that goes on how many times a day does it. I bet there's hundreds and hundreds of high speed pursuits a day. And sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. And unfortunately, you know, the guys that get involved on them are the guys we, we're here for, man. The hard working goons of America that are out there putting it all on the line, dude. All right.

[Tyler]

And don't forget to go to Patreon. Support us on Patreon. We'll be talking about the app in a second. And after that we'll be getting into Tulsi Gabbard. Her house being rated by the CAA or not rated by the CIA depending on how your tinfoil hat fits your head. Talk about CHUD the builder and what he did and if it's covered, understand your ground in the Constitution. Much more. Plus we got Dominic Izzo and a marine communist. Join us later. So go to Patreon. We have all the tiers still up and running. This is where you get exclusive behind the scene content and me out running. Mike, during our two mile runs long. I got, I got 1907. I shaved.

[Mike]

Still haven't beat me yet. Good job though.

[Tyler]

Two minutes off my two mile run in five runs.

[Mike]

So you want the good news or the bad news?

[Tyler]

I am an Olympic athlete.

[Mike]

I ran 2.25 today, but my 2 miles split was the fastest one yet. But since it wasn't exactly two miles, I didn't count it. But just so you know.

[Tyler]

Well, I like how you didn't give a time.

[Mike]

That was 1830. It was another 14 seconds. I think my last one was 1844, so I was like around 1830. Then I kept going. I was gonna go three miles. I was gonna go three Miles. And. And then something happened. I didn't feel like it.

[Tyler]

But those stats and those videos are all in. Patreon.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

You want to bring Jane to talk about the app?

[Mike]

So, yeah, let me preface the app real quick. Jay and Joe Dill have built the best app. It's the biggest app, the best app. It's going to shut down the Iran war. It's so good. It's going to open the straight. That's how great this app is. It's so good that Ja is already in there waiting for all of you to join. So I'm gonna bring Jay in. This app does everything, so Patreon's gonna stay alive. Five ten dollar tiers. This app is going to be 25. You will go in now. If you sign up now, you will get the rest of May free to help us work out the bugs and critique it. You also get a five dollar off for the month of June. So on June 1, you only be charged $20 and it'll be 25 from there. No fees, no. No people taking our money. Certain people that like to take our money are not going to get that money. It's going to stay within the community. There's going to be another private giveaway just for the app. I've t. I've been testing it the last few days, posting videos, commenting. It is amazing. So without further ado, we will bring in Jay. I don't know if Jay ever sleeps what Jay does, but he is up 24 hours a day working on this app. So let's bring him in. That's your job.

[Tyler]

Like you.

[Mike]

Yep, that's your job. Producer.

[Jay]

Hey, how's it going, guys?

[Tyler]

What's up, Jay? Nice hat, bro.

[Jay]

Oh, man, it's. It looks good on me, doesn't it?

[Mike]

How'd you get that there? I know that juver doesn't ship all the way over there.

[Jay]

I was getting out of breath listening to all the running talk.

[Mike]

Man, you must have been here in America when you picked that up, because I don't think his people deliver over there, but.

[Tyler]

Well, I deliver.

[Jay]

You came.

[Mike]

All right, this is very important. I need everybody to listen up because it's not your typical app. It is an app, but it's not. We're not going to pay Apple to have it in the App Store or Google to be in the Google Square. It's going to be our own thing. So Jay's going to walk you through how to get this app on your desktop and then we'll go from there. So, Jay, take it away.

[Jay]

So what you need to do is you need to go to the new website, which is the anti antiheroapp.com. you log in, get your subscription, you'll be able to find everything there. I mean, Jordan, I've been working 28 and a half hours a day non stop being whipped. Mike was like, oh, is it done yet?

[Mike]

And we're like, no, video doesn't work. You guys are.

[Jay]

Yeah, video doesn't work. But no, it's, it's been a learning curve for me as well. Like I've never built an app before, so I've just, yeah, learned. And it's, it's, it's been, been great, really. And it's been good to give back to you guys really, for all that you do for us.

[Tyler]

So I do it all. Mike doesn't do.

[Jay]

I was gonna say that, but I was just trying to be nice.

[Mike]

I don't know why my name's the glue inside the. And your name's the Jew. I don't know why that's our names inside the app.

[Jay]

So you can, you can sign up there, login, and it's got everything in there. I mean, we've got calendars in there, all of your show.

[Tyler]

Hey, I'll walk you through creating an account.

[Mike]

No, you're already in there. You have one. Yeah. Explain Jay what they need to do, though, to get it on their desktop for all the morons at home that don't know you're going to open this.

[Jay]

So you open it, you sign up. When you go into it, there'll be an install app button. And all you do is you add it to your home screen. If you can't find that and you're really stupid, all you need to do is you just literally go onto your Chrome screen, the address book, press the button and add to home screen.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jay]

And from there you'll get to Narnia.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

Yes. So, like, I have my app installed on my phone. It's in my social media folder. I click logs me right in.

[Jay]

It's better than Patreon, it's better than Discord, and if you're not on it, you're pretty gay. To be honest, in my opinion, you

[Mike]

can see a picture of Mike talking about how he around Tyler. Like, that's already posted in the app, so it does everything.

[Jay]

I saw the Jake running video today. That was amazing. That was one of the best things I've seen in a while.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Did he do a new one or is that the old one about the Terminator or something? Yeah.

[Jay]

I was like, who's gonna carry the boats?

[Mike]

Do you want to put the app. I don't know. It'll let me do it, right? I don't know if it'll let me. The Anti Hero app. Right.

[Tyler]

I don't know if it'll let me. He has full access.

[Mike]

It's weird sometimes. The anti hero app.com. app.com.

[Jay]

But if it didn't work. But it.

[Mike]

There it is right there. The antiheroapp.com. so you can just copy.

[Tyler]

We put live events on there too. And whenever we're going, like a schedule. If we're going like, we're going to Boston and I think Monday night we kind of wanted to see if anybody was in Boston and wanted to go have a beer. So, you know, so you can either

[Jay]

do it for YouTube, so you can do it as an unlisted video and go live, or there's. You can go live on. On the app itself.

[Tyler]

No, not live. I didn't want like a lot. I meant just like. Like a. Like a lot. Like a. Like today. I said a schedule.

[Mike]

Yeah, you can add that. If we have special events we want added to the schedule, he can. What we gotta do is just talk to our guy who's up 28 hours a day and just make him work more. Then he can add that schedule in. So we could just message him and say, hey, can you add a live event, 8 o' clock at this place in Boston? And that'll go into the app as letting everybody know we're there.

[Jay]

It will send him a notification as well. So, yes, it's. It's. I'm quite proud of it, to be honest.

[Tyler]

And I'm.

[Jay]

I'm looking forward to everyone getting to use it.

[Tyler]

And.

[Mike]

And it does have. That's another feature. Justin. I don't know if he's in trying to do it, but actually has a calendar where you can add all the shows to your calendar to remind you that they're going to be on in case you're like Clint, who? I talked to Clint. He's been working in his garage. Busy, but he's been listening. He just had enough time to interact all right, cool. Well, so this is important. This is important. Make sure you guys go sign up

[Tyler]

for the app is Jay is one of the hosts of Counterculture gaming. Saturday nights, 9pm on YouTube. Straight one. Yeah.

[Mike]

Not the merciful

[Tyler]

bubbles. All right, anything else, guys?

[Jay]

No, that's cool.

[Mike]

There's a couple questions they can change. They add their own. Your own profile picture, everything's yours. You can make your own profile picture. You pick your username. Everything, everything about it. It's customizable. It's all there may is to test it. So please sign up, get in there, start interacting. We'll start doing our thing and we'll. We'll see if there's anything we need to change between now and June 1st, which, if you guys don't know, June 1st is Tyler's favorite month. So that's why we decided to launch this app June 1st. Thanks, Jay. Cool. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. Yes, cheers.

[Tyler]

Bye.

[Mike]

I really don't think that guy sleeps. No, I really don't.

[Tyler]

First topic of the night. Let's first, let's bring in G Money. What up?

[Ryan]

Cheerio.

[Mike]

He's not allowed. He's not allowed in unless you sign up for the app yet.

[Ryan]

Send me 25 and I'll sign up.

[Mike]

You. You jerked off enough Super Chats the other night to afford the app. Dude, come on.

[Ryan]

I don't. I haven't.

[Dominic Izzo]

You're worse.

[Mike]

You're worse than a stripper. Dude, you gotta.

[Ryan]

That'll get them Super Chats till the end of the month.

[Tyler]

Yeah, they got to come in.

[Mike]

Yeah, they're not actually here yet.

[Ryan]

I'll sign up when I get the Super Chats. Man, I'm broke.

[Mike]

All right, June 1st, you're gonna lose your five dollar discount, but that's fine.

[Tyler]

All right, so Tulsi Gabbard. Oh, what's going on with this? Because as I was researching it before the show, her spokesperson is coming out. Well, what came out yesterday was Fox News, Jesse Waters put out. He had a whistleblower for the CAA on his show that said the CIA went to her office and took a bunch of files that were. That had to do with JFK and MK Ultra.

[Ryan]

That's correct.

[Tyler]

And then Chelsea Gabbards, or Tulsi Gab, whatever the. Her name is. Tulsi Gabbard's spokesperson said that the. That. That is not true. That sounds a little suspicious.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, dude, first off, the CIA shouldn't be operating within the confines of the United States of America whatsoever. And it just goes to show you that there is a deep state. You know, there are bad actors within our government and I believe that these bad actors aren't even part of the Obama bad actors. You know what I mean? This is, this is an old school, you know, like you said it has to do with the JFK files. I still, you know, believe there's probably some 30 or 40 year old holdovers. I heard there's some retired people that also got involved, you know, with this cover up. And well, it is somewhat of a cover up. The CIA, you know, doing what they do in the depths of the night, sneaking into a, an office building reminiscence of Deep Throat. And I'm not talking about the porn, you know what I'm talking about with Nixon. Right, Watergate.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So it's, it's, it's something, it's, it fits their MO you know, and apparently they're freaked out. There's 15 of, of the, of the MK Ultra files that apparently were never turned over. They were lost. Allegedly.

[Tyler]

They said they were destroyed. The CIA said they destroyed 85 of them.

[Ryan]

Yeah, so the 15, you know, was supposed to also be be lost. This was supposed to be destroyed. They end up finding it and apparently it's really damning and Trump wanted it to be put out. Be transparent. Tulsi Gabbard heads the DNI office that which handles that. And you know, they also had the files on JFK which you know, what they put out not too long ago was decent that you know, there's enough there for people to eat. But look how quick that that came and went. You know, a couple days and no people stopped talking about it. There's really nothing there that we didn't know. But the MK Ultra I'm really interested to see there's some up that, that was going on with that MKUltra and that also has to do with, with the JFK. You know, Jack Ruby from all accounts is a regular dude. You know, very low level associate in the mob, owned a strip club, had a great life, you know, and all of a sudden he starts hanging out with one of the guys from the MK Ultra. He shoots, you know, Oswald. The, his name Harvey Oswald, right? Is that right?

[Mike]

Lee Harvey.

[Ryan]

And then. Yeah. And then you know, before Jack Ruby dies, the guy from I forget his name from MK Ultra was visiting him in the cell room. He leaves the cell room and Jack Ruby goes absolutely nuts. Talking about they're eating Jews, they're setting them on fire, flipping the out like screaming under his, under his bed like complete full Panic, completely nuts, out of his mind, and then he dies.

[Mike]

Lsd. Some type of.

[Ryan]

Yeah, like high levels of lsd.

[Mike]

Do you, do you think, do you think that at this point, obviously, I think we all agree the government killed jfk. We agree. So. But you know, it was an inside job. Right? Do you think America, like we talk about, if the moon landing ends up being told the truth and it's not real. Do you think enough time has passed with, especially with this generation of blue haired. Do you think enough time has passed that people are just gonna be like, whatever?

[Ryan]

No, not, not for people like us, because they're up there.

[Mike]

Oh yeah, we're still doing it.

[Ryan]

They tried to kill Trump. They tried to set him up with the Russia gate. There's still idiots talking. I'm sure that commune's gonna come on later. We'll be like, Russia, Russia, Russia. You know, because that's what they do. People still believe it. It's complete horseshit. Never happened, you know, and apparently did a thing where that room where he's apparently, apparently getting pissed on by. By hookers. The room doesn't even exist in a hotel and that floor doesn't even exist. So it's all, it's all nonsense.

[Mike]

Who's getting pissed?

[Ryan]

Who's that still operating? They. They tried to kill a President Trump, they said.

[Mike]

Multiple times. Yeah, multiple times. Well, Russia.

[Ryan]

Multiple times.

[Mike]

The only evidence that we have of Russia is that Joe Biden and his son were cooking the books with all that stuff like that's all that came out of that whole thing

[Ryan]

at Crooks kid that shot, that shot Trump. There's multiple cell phone datas coming from the CIA area in, in Virginia that the farm to Crook's house. How do you explain that? Like there's, it's. Dude, there's just so much here, it's disgusting.

[Tyler]

Here's what was put out by Fox News. Apparently it's since been deleted. But this is Jesse Waters talking to CIA whistleblower Tulsi Gabbard's office. Agents hauled out dozens of boxes files on the JFK assassination and MK Ultra,

[Dominic Izzo]

the CIA mind control operation which she

[Tyler]

was in the process of declassifying. Today's whistleblower said it during his deposition and Congresswoman Annapoleon Aluna confirmed it moments ago. Reason why this is troubling is a. There was an executive order that the

[Ryan]

President had directed the full declassification of jfk, but then also to the MK Ultra files.

[Tyler]

The CIA famously has said that, you

[Ryan]

know, all documents were released and other documents had Been destroyed.

[Tyler]

So these are allegedly those documents that apparently never existed.

[Dominic Izzo]

Can the CIA overrule?

[Mike]

She's the President. I met her.

[Nick]

No, the CIA cannot overrule the President. The CIA cannot even overrule the National Intelligence in 1975. The. The Church Committee.

[Tyler]

I'm listening. But I. I guarantee Nick is not going to say anything of merit. And then we're talking for six minutes. We gotta go back to it. So what's up?

[Ryan]

I don't want to say it now. Go ahead, play.

[Tyler]

All right. Jesus.

[Nick]

Select Committee on intelligence specifically ordered DCI William Colby to release all. All of the MK Ultra files. He famously went back to CIA headquarters and ordered that all of the files be destroy. 85% of them were destroyed. He was held in contempt of Congress. And then CIA employees lined the halls and contributed cash to pay for the fine that he was ordered to pay. We only know what we know about MKULTRA because of the 15% of the files that weren't destroyed. These are among those 15% of the files. They are mandated to be declassified. The American people have a right to know what is in these files. And the CIA can't raid offices, least of all the offices of the Director of National Intelligence. It's just. Real life isn't supposed to work this way. This is crazy.

[Tyler]

This is something out of a movie. But the CIA was experimenting with LSD on willing and unwilling participants during the

[Dominic Izzo]

Cold War for intelligence operations and to exploit people.

[Tyler]

And it didn't go well a lot of the time.

[Dominic Izzo]

And they threw it all in a wastebasket, right?

[Tyler]

Like it never really worked. Is that why they don't want anybody to know about it?

[Nick]

I think they don't want people to know any more than what we know about, for example, dosing innocent citizens of San Francisco, California or a small village in France and putting LSD in the yeast at the only bakery in the village just to see if everybody in the village would go nuts. Which they did, of course. Or coming up with a program in San Francisco to hire prostitutes to dose John's and see if they would cough up their innermost secrets.

[Tyler]

Ridiculous. All right, Nick, what's up?

[Ryan]

I love that John John Candy gift.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's all you. That's all I can focus on was John Candy shaking his head.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I was laughing the whole thing. First off, that's John Karaku, disgraced CIA operative nobody loves.

[Tyler]

He's got no credibility.

[Ryan]

No, he's got credibility. But no one loves John. John Kiriakou like John Kiriaku. Just ask him he'll tell you how great he is. He's the best CIA agent that there ever was, and he'll definitely tell you that much. His podcast is decent.

[Tyler]

What were we stopping the video for?

[Ryan]

That's what I want to say.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

That was good.

[Ryan]

That's all.

[Mike]

So do we. We don't even know if this really happened now, right? This is. We don't even. So now you got one.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Her spokesperson saying is the CIA didn't do it. Which not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but that's exactly, exactly what the CIA.

[Ryan]

Oh, dude.

[Mike]

Is it the cleaning lady?

[Ryan]

Yeah. Now listen, did you want to make it sound like you're incompetent? You're incompetent and you let them break in and steal your files. You'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, they broke in and stole my files.

[Tyler]

Here's the thing. If ifilly deputies like Mike could break in and plant devices and cameras without anybody knowing, I highly, highly suspect the CIA could do it without anybody knowing.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. By the way,

[Tyler]

that's gonna stick with Mike for like four days.

[Mike]

Did you catch that?

[Ryan]

I caught it. Okay, you're 50.

[Mike]

We're gonna come back. Let me write that down. We'll come back to that at some point.

[Tyler]

All right? Yeah.

[Ryan]

Just to give you an idea, that John Kiriaku guy, he. He had a terrorist, right? A full blown terrorist over in Pakistan he was interrogating and he put his hands on his shoulders and just grabbed him like that. You know, one of those like tell the truth kind of things. And he went and reported himself for. For beating a. A terrorist.

[Mike]

Yeah, minor. That's nothing.

[Ryan]

Seriously. He just grabbed him and shook them and, and he wrote a report, really like followed it down the line. Like, you know, I really need to report myself. I. I went hands on. I shouldn't have done that. Blah, blah, blah, like. Yeah, exactly, dude. Like, come on, man. 911. And that's what it was. He refused. He leaked information on advanced interrogations, so he went to jail for it.

[Tyler]

Do you think we're ever going to get the truth about the JFK assassination?

[Ryan]

I think everybody, it's eventually it's coming. That's what I think these files were. These files would have finally probably blown it open that, yeah, MK Ultra had something to do with it. I think maybe the mob was involved. It might have been a bunch of conspirators. Be honest with you.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, the ones I thought the last one I saw was that the Jews were responsible because John. Yeah. Was Not a big fan of Israel and was the only president that ever stood up against Israel.

[Mike]

If you notice everyone president since, every president since hasn't.

[Ryan]

Yes, that line, dude, there's so many. There's. I mean he. Over a lot of people over the mob. The mob got him. The mob got JFK elected. Truth facts. Without the mob, he wouldn't. Yeah, he wouldn't have been elected. And his promise was he's supposed to go easy on him. And he made his brother the Attorney General. And Bobby went after the mob hardcore. And they were pissed off. And he stopped returning our calls and stopped doing the favors that he was supposed to do. And he just let Bobby run, run amok. And the mob was still here.

[Mike]

We'd be great if the mob was still here. Chicago would not be what it is.

[Ryan]

So then you got, so you have the mob, then you have all the Cubans that were pissed off because of the Bay of Pigs so that they, the CIA arranges a, an attack and an invasion on Cuba. We were supposed to provide them with air cover, Navy ships, artillery. So they're storming, they're storming the bay and we didn't show up. And they got slaughtered. So they were pissed off. So you had the Cuban, the Cuban nationals pissed that he invaded Cuba. You have the Cuban refugees that were trained and, and guerrillas trying to attack you, but pissed off. The mob pissed off. Right. And you had the CIA because he was going to stop the war in Vietnam. So the, the industrial war machine was pissed off. A lot of people pissed off. And it's always a Jew. So I don't think it's a Jews this time.

[Mike]

You can, you know. You're giving them a pass on this one?

[Ryan]

Yeah, dude, there's too many people that had way more.

[Mike]

If there were sick. If there were 6 million people that had a problem with JFK and they had a problem all day,

[Ryan]

JFK's shooting up heroin and banging hookers all over the place. Yeah, that whole myth of Camelot and how great. Dude, he was a junkie. Banging whores doesn't make him a bad guy.

[Tyler]

He was on heroin.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah. Morphine big time. Because of his back. Yeah. He was a prescribed morphine from his

[Tyler]

back versus shooting up heroin.

[Ryan]

This is the way same thing. If you're getting a vial of morphine and shooting up. It's the same thing, dude.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I get it. So MK Ultra. I really don't see why they would hide that. I don't.

[Ryan]

Yeah, listen, I would have volunteered. They're giving LSD and, and in a house.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna donate my plasma and I'm heading over to the MT Ultra. Right.

[Ryan]

Wait, I get to bang a hooker and take lsd? I'm in.

[Mike]

Dude, you know the problem is once you get on the lsd, you have no idea what you're actually putting your dick in. So it might not be a hooker. When you start hallucinating. When you start hallucinating, it could be anything.

[Tyler]

So Nick, you, you're a firm believer that the CIA did in fact steal these documents and Tulsi Gabbard people is just saying that they didn't.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'm more of a believer on that too.

[Ryan]

Yeah, Watergate wasn't. Nixon didn't do Watergate. That's a setup. He was set the up by the Deep State again.

[Tyler]

Really? How's that?

[Ryan]

Before 100. I can break that down for you another day. But that's an absolute setup. He didn't order it. He didn't do it.

[Mike]

All they had to do is make it look like it was a nothing you could do. Yeah, there's nothing you can do.

[Ryan]

And like you knew about it.

[Tyler]

Yep. Crazy man.

[Ryan]

Yeah, Valkyrie showed up. I think that was a fake Valkyrie, but whatever. Fake Valkyrie gave me 20 bucks. So fake Valkyries can come back.

[Mike]

Any Valkyrie is welcome.

[Ryan]

Any Valkyrie. Any Valkyrie giving me money is welcome.

[Tyler]

That was an imposter Valkyrie. It was not a hundred dollars.

[Mike]

You got to take the pen and run across the money and make sure it doesn't. Let's see what happens.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but not much on this. This is pretty. I don't think there's going to be any more follow up on this if it's the Deep State and the government. So it is going to be this and this only and that is going to be it. We're going to move on and focus on the Fanta virus or whatever the it's called.

[Ryan]

But open up your eyes, dude. Trump's trying to make this transparent and he's fighting the Deep state. Same thing with the Epstein files. Pam Bondi them over on that one. You know, it's not like Trump goes in the room, he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me grab all these files, make them public. It's not the way this works, dude.

[Tyler]

I mean, I don't even think they released all the UFO files.

[Ryan]

No, it's coming out. There's more coming out. Apparently More. A lot of. Yeah, oh, there's a lot more. There's another dump coming soon. I think over the next problem when

[Tyler]

they release 50 years worth of files. Like the Epstein files. Like 3 billion documents or whatever it was. 3 million. Like, how do you sift through that, dude?

[Ryan]

Yeah. These big companies have thousands of people looking.

[Tyler]

Where do you. This is the question I've always asked. Where do people get the files? Where do you get 3 million documents?

[Ryan]

Right on that website.

[Tyler]

They made an Epstein file website.

[Ryan]

Oh, yeah, they have an Epstein one. They got the UFO one.

[Mike]

How long does it take to send 300 emails? 3 million emails. Seems like a lot of emails. Depends on one email a minute.

[Ryan]

It. Dude, I got about a million unread emails on my phone. It takes two years.

[Tyler]

All right, moving on. We've got Chud the Builder, which I knew nothing about this guy. I did not. Never seen him before.

[Mike]

Dude, builder shirt on the other day.

[Tyler]

And Sean calls me the builder.

[Mike]

Kneeling on George Floyd. I saw you wearing it.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I have no idea who this dude was. And so we're going to talk about what happened first and then we'll. Let's see here. Chud the Builder. Share.

[Ryan]

This is so someone. Oswald was involved with the Soyovites. Yes, he was. He was a patsy, though. In fact, in that. In the repeater film, you can actually see Oswald standing on the steps.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Book.

[Tyler]

So for 10 seconds, we were all staring at each other. The cue to bring something else up and I go, moving on.

[Mike]

I knew it was coming.

[Ryan]

I saw a comment over there. I want to answer it.

[Mike]

Ask him about the banners.

[Ryan]

Chiron looks good.

[Tyler]

Thanks.

[Mike]

Very good.

[Tyler]

Is everything spelled right?

[Ryan]

Looks like it.

[Tyler]

All right, so Chad the Builder. Let's see here. Charged with attempted murder. See, he did die. This was.

[Mike]

But no, I'm told the guy died like the next day.

[Ryan]

Yeah, he died in the hospital.

[Tyler]

He died. Okay. So it's gonna be up to murder the racist. The racially charged live streamer is facing several felony charges after shooting a man outside of Montgomery county court complex on May 13. His second set of charges in less than a week. He had another dine and dash charge in Nashville. I think during the altercation, Chud the Builder shot a man in the stomach and managed to also shoot himself in the army. The incident and ensuing charges has brought into question whether the shooting would fall under Tennessee stand your ground law. He is a live streamer known for using racial slurs and provoking black people in Clarksville and Lower Broadway in Nashville. Was appearing at the Montgomery county court complex, which I don't know why it doesn't say.

[Ryan]

He was there for the. The dine and dash.

[Tyler]

Oh, so he was. Oh, that was outside his own court. Okay.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Tyler]

After the shooting he was taken to Vanderbilt Clarksville Hospital for medical attention. Booked in Montgomery county jail. The man with the stomach wound was a life flight at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center. He also faces. This is where he's talking about the dyna dash. Why did the CHUD the builder? After the shooting, he explained his perspective of the events to first responders. He stated that after he approached the man who had been pointing and laughing at him, the man told Etherly, who has shot the builder, to walk away and said that if he used racially charged language he would punch him. According to Etherly's live stream comments, the man did punch him. It was then that Etherly pulled out his gun and fired it. Authorities have not identified the man who was shot. They're hitting him with attempted murder, employing a firearm during a dangerous felony, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon. Tennessee is a stand your ground state, so they are. You are allowed to use deadly force and have no duty to retreat when it's reasonably, reasonably believed that serious injury, grave sexual abuse or death are imminent. Unlike the presumption of imminent danger or death, when one is lawfully enters a private property, one who uses force on public property has to have a clear justification clearer. However, the requirements for that justification are unclear.

[Mike]

All right, he's gotta figure it out on the fly. You gotta figure it out on the fly.

[Tyler]

Needs to be super clear. But it's unclear.

[Mike]

Typical law enforcement.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So essentially what I'm gathering from this is there's two ways to look at this. If you're taking hate speech out of it and you're not hitting with any kind of special hate speech crime, he was exercising his first amendment rights. And this is. This makes people bad guys for saying stuff like this. But we have to look at it by the law. He was exercising his first amendment right. He wasn't threatening anybody. He was just saying mean things. A guy punched him and he shot him. And that's it.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Wasn't he out on probation or parole? Not pro. It would be probation or what. What was.

[Tyler]

It would probably be in Florida. That would be called. What is that called, Mike? Pretrial release conditions.

[Mike]

Yeah, pretrial, yeah.

[Ryan]

You probably won't be allowed to carry a gun in pre trial conditions, correct?

[Tyler]

Probably not, no. I don't think so.

[Ryan]

He's.

[Mike]

It would have to be ordered though. It would have to be part of the. It would have to say it like no fire. All right, so depending on the charge, they might not like felonies. They would. But maybe minor charges. They wouldn't dine and dance.

[Tyler]

That charge might. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. That charge, though, if they did hit him with that Nick, it might be later on. It doesn't have to be the initial charging, so.

[Ryan]

Right. And the video that's out only shows him on top of the guy. Doesn't show the whole altercation, so. Or I couldn't tell when he actually shot. Can you?

[Mike]

No, he said something interesting. I want to point. I want to point out. So the way he described it was he, you know, he's exercising his rights and he's doing his thing and he was attacked. So I would. I would be under the assumption that everything Sean Reyes does is absolutely 100% cool. You should be 100 behind it. That's exactly what Sean Reyes does.

[Ryan]

Yeah, listen, that's. This is my problem I have with people.

[Mike]

That doesn't carry a goal. He doesn't care.

[Ryan]

You're cool. When BML gets together and. And talks about whitey and all this like that. And then when the hate groups get together, everyone shows up and it's. Yeah, they try to shut him down. And I'm not saying I'm not for either one suck, but it's freedom of speech. If you have one, you gotta have the other. Like, I don't understand why the government gets involved. People go, the Nazis are walking through. We have to shut them down and this and that. Well, why aren't you getting as mad when the BLM or I'm going, yeah,

[Mike]

is hate speech like, they're. I don't. And I don't know the rules in Tennessee. They're obviously. In Florida. They recreated an entire statue for Jews. It's illegal in Florida to say anything bad about Jews or suggest the Holocaust didn't happen on the books. You get into the hate speech stuff. It could be, you know, calling a cop a pig and all that stuff. Doesn't ever part of it. But then you start using racial slurs. I mean, I don't think you can racially slur a white guy, but, oh, no, you start using racial. You start using racial slurs. There is that hate speech and inciting hate against a certain group. Like, that's all on the books as well. But I don't know Tennessee's laws. I'm just. It's got to be across the board, though. You're right. If I would, I'll be. This will be A very interesting one. Because if this comes down to threat of violence, if you do something, he does it and the guy retaliates and then he shoots him. Seems very. When you take all the words out of it, it seems very easy. Right. I say I'm going to come over here and stand here. If you come stand there, I'm going to punch you in your mouth. I go stand there. You hit me, I shoot you. It is 100. Sounds great to me.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The hate part is what's.

[Mike]

Then you get into the words and. And all that and. And the past and all that. So that's where it gets.

[Tyler]

Because that can't. I mean, I wonder if they can charge him with any federal crimes if they can determine it.

[Mike]

Civil rights violations or something.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I mean he is on a record constantly saying he, you know, he doesn't hate anybody. It's just, it's just words. And I'm just trying to say it sounds like it. Use the words. I use the words. Listen, I'm just saying his excuse. I think he's a. Listen to me. I, I don't, I don't enjoy that. I don't like. I don't want to hear if I heard. If I'm sitting around and someone's calling, you know, a bunch of dudes that the hard r some ladies, you know, it would it make me. I don't want to hear that. Yeah, I don't want to hear that. Dude. I really don't. It goes both ways. I don't hear it against me. I don't want to hear other people saying out in public. Just have some respect for people when you're out in the general public. That's it. I think there's no need for any of this.

[Mike]

We have tick tock cops. I would call him a tick tock racist. Like he's doing that first. He's doing life.

[Tyler]

He's not about.

[Mike]

He really had an issue with a rate and he wanted to like present facts or have an educated conversation. But he knows exactly what he's doing. I'm surprised he wouldn't have been a.

[Ryan]

And had a gun either. He would just beat the.

[Tyler]

Yeah, here's where you're right, Mike, is that he is 100 not about that life. A real actual racist is that is very educated. They're extremely educated. They're extremely calm. They're very good at debating. Their goal is to change the minds of everybody around them. Not to hit these people, you know, combat.

[Ryan]

Who does that sound like?

[Mike]

The commie?

[Tyler]

I don't know.

[Ryan]

That's right. Sounds like, yeah, two peas in a pod. Bunch of scumbags.

[Tyler]

That's a real racist. Is. And these are, like you said, it's a tick tock racist. It's a. Nick Fuentes realized, like, hey, I might feel this way, right? I might feel. I might feel this way, but regular people don't say it. So I'm gonna say it. At the end of the day, you know, they're. They're not about that life. In fact. In fact, let me show you something, Nick. If you got anything to say, now's the time to say it while I find it.

[Ryan]

Nick Fuentes is a. I'd love to

[Dominic Izzo]

smack

[Ryan]

the out of him.

[Mike]

It's interesting that, you know, the. I think the commie has alluded to the fact that G Money might be racist or has some issues with that. But then to hear him say, none of us want to hear that. I got in a fight real quick. I got in a fight outside my door of my apartment complex. Going to work in when I was a detective. A good fight too, because I was walking out my door and I heard a white guy walk by and start using the N word at a bunch of ladies and kids trying to load their car. And I looked at him, I said, he was smoking crack. I didn't realize he was high as a kite. But I was like, dude, what the are you saying? He's like, you. I'm like, you. And I stuck him. We ended up in the corner. And this black dude comes around the corner.

[Ryan]

Just.

[Mike]

I stand in there watching me go blow to blow with this guy. I'm like, hey, bro, he called all your friends the N word. He's like, oh, he did. And then he jumped in and we had a good time, but no body cam, no nothing. It was gently escorted to the ground. But we're all in that same boat. I don't care which way it goes. When you start to hear, as a good, normal American, when you hear any of that behavior, regardless of skin color, regardless of what's being said, you immediately go, is that necessary? Like, that's not. That's not called for. And then you might take action. You might go get involved in it. I'm glad you said that, because that, that shows that you're not. You would. You wouldn't. You wouldn't own slaves either. So I'm happy.

[Ryan]

Listen, if I'm a racist, I'm doing it really wrong. You know, I was. I had a racial marriage. Person of color. That's right. So Kiss my ass.

[Tyler]

Here's where I mean about. He's a tick tock wannabe racist and he's not about that life. When people, when he's doing things and people can say this, this is what someone commented six days ago about him. This is exactly why we need a hate crime bill. The guy chud the builder goes around recording himself, going back to the N word, blah blah, blah, blah blah, provoking people. Then if somebody reacts, he wants to play victim, call the police or possibly pull a gun. That type of behavior is dangerous and can easily get somebody hurt or unalived. Hate speech that's meant to intimidate, provoke or terrorize people should be taken seriously before it escalates into violence. We need to, we need protections out here. So I don't disagree with this or agree with the statement at all. I just think it's ironic that six days ago somebody was saying this type of behavior right here. A guy that's going to pull a gun when he goes and provokes things is going to end up with somebody killed.

[Mike]

So this is like the auditor, this is like the auditors arming themselves and then pretending to draw the gun while

[Ryan]

they're, they do it with mace. How many orders have you seen? So easy to make somebody.

[Mike]

Yes, they do it all the time. They make some.

[Ryan]

They should be locked up.

[Mike]

Yeah, that takes it a little far. I agree. But I'm saying a guy like Sean Reyes who does what he does, that'd be like him having a gun. And every time somebody starts to, you know, it'd be like baiting them in. He's baiting it in. I mean I don't even think, you know, I'm, I, I'll be honest. The Joker I think is funny. Like I, I think he's entertainment. I watch some of the reels when they come by the Joker Gypsy cat.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah, he's funny.

[Mike]

Dude that makes, it's not drink.

[Tyler]

Turns himself into a piece of chicken. It's just this ey.

[Mike]

Watermelon. The chicken. Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

What you got to say about this?

[Mike]

You hungry? So like it's, it's, I would, I would actually put him in the, in the comedy realm because black people interact back and laugh and actually get excited when they see him. So it's like that level of non confrontation. Yes, non confrontational. Through the Internet you can say it's racist, whatever you want to do it it.

[Tyler]

And here's the thing he does when he does that, when he does something like that. What's the difference between Drew Ski Doing a white hillbilly. And we all laugh because it's hilarious. That is a NASCAR fan. He nailed a NASCAR fan. A white trash NASCAR fan to the T. And we all laugh at it. And when black people laugh at.

[Mike]

Okay with it now. No, I think we're good. Like, they're getting really bad. Like, the Kevin Hart roast had some real wild said.

[Tyler]

I still haven't seen it.

[Mike]

The roasts are coming around.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that was good.

[Mike]

There's some white comedians.

[Ryan]

Floyd. They're crying about the George Floyd joke. Oh, shut the up.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Was a crackhead. He overdosed. No one murdered him. He's a piece of.

[Mike]

But I think the comedy realm is getting to that point where it's comedy. And I think that getting back this guy's viol. This guy has violent tendencies. And it's just a matter of time before this happened. And you can see it coming. And I didn't find it funny. Like, I didn't. I didn't find him. Honestly. He's not funny. No, he's not funny.

[Tyler]

No. He's not a violent man. He's not a violent man. Can. Would. A real violent man would never put himself in that situation because he knows exactly. Exactly what's going to come from it. That dude's a. And he brings a gun. He provokes people. And to go. What you say about comparing it to Sean Reyes? It's the same thing. I. We're looking at paper. Yeah. Absolutely right. Should he do it? Absolutely not. So does Chad Chud the builder have a right to do what he did outside of hate? If there is no hate crime bill, whether it be federal or state, if they take hate out of it and they're. Does he have the constitutional right to say what he wants and defend himself or stand your ground now? Should he? Absolutely not. He's gonna get shot and he should get beat up. To be honest with you. He should get his ass kicked if he's gonna go out there and do that. You got to stand on 10 toes.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Did you see the picture of him a couple years ago dressed up like a fairy, I think. Oh, it's funny. Dude.

[Jay]

This one.

[Ryan]

There it is.

[Tyler]

This is him.

[Ryan]

That's him.

[Mike]

That hurts.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's. That's pretty gay. Yeah.

[Tyler]

He's just an Internet guy. He's just a cool Internet. He's just a personality on the Internet. He's not real. He's not a real. What the.

[Ryan]

Guess he saw some of my segments and put a cowboy hat and a mustache. Don't make you A man.

[Tyler]

What the. Put my badass chiron back on there.

[Ryan]

There you go.

[Tyler]

You guys like it?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I did a tooth fairy costume, but I did it the man way. I looked like a man. It was funny. That's what makes it funny. That dude looked gay. I was manly in it. Dude.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Ryan]

I had a wife beater on. My gun's out.

[Tyler]

Wow. We got. Hey, we. Well it.

[Mike]

With you.

[Ryan]

I had with me. That definitely makes it non gay.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're good.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I'm totally good. I got pictures. I can show you.

[Tyler]

They got the tooth fairy from the Santa Claus, too. He was the Molinator. Remember that?

[Ryan]

No.

[Tyler]

No. All right. Santa Claus, too.

[Ryan]

Were you six when I came out? Santa Claus, too. That was like 95.

[Tyler]

No, it wasn't. Nine. Santa Claus one was 95. Santa Claus two came out. Yeah, it was. It was a big gap. Santa Claus 1. Santa Claus, too.

[Ryan]

He's 16 in high school with pimples. Hey, dad, I want to go watch Santa Claus, too. Can I get some money?

[Tyler]

My dad took me to Santa Claus one in kindergarten. Thank you. And we walked.

[Mike]

I'm trying to find out what year it came out.

[Tyler]

1995. 2002.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tyler]

Santa Claus 3 came out in 2004.

[Ryan]

Everybody. Every group of hot girls always needs a gay guy. 2008. Get the out here.

[Mike]

Three.

[Ryan]

When did two come out?

[Mike]

22. 2002.

[Ryan]

Okay. All right.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Tyler]

That's it. We're gonna take our break in two minutes. Where I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna force this. I'm gonna force everybody to talk for two more minutes for training. We got to make it to the 51 minute marker. We can't just sit here and look at each other. But we also got to be skilled enough to know that we can't talk about anything for more than two minutes.

[Mike]

I got that. I got that. So Reno police department chief gets put on admin leave. Female. What do you think? Falsifying records. Does that meant. Does that surprise you? Does that surprise you? Reno police department, Baby daddy. I posted this story about three months ago.

[Ryan]

Baby daddy.

[Mike]

Now they're falsifying all kind of. This is happening. The female part. I'm just. Whatever. But there's. Oh, that's not it. There she is right there. She put on admin leave. I broke the story about two months ago where they. They put them in admin league. They finally fired her. And ironically, that female you on the other day, that trains hard in her garage. That's where she works.

[Tyler]

Really?

[Ryan]

I can fix her.

[Mike]

That place has got some problems.

[Ryan]

Get her a ticket to the van.

[Tyler]

Starting with Instagram. Female cops. And they shoot all the way up to chief of police, apparently.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's pretty funny. It is just like up there. There she is bending over, sticking her ass out in the camera.

[Tyler]

You're gonna have her on Cottville. Mike, who that. The. The email. 45 minutes.

[Mike]

Her partner has a way crazier story, and he's podcasting now, so he'd be a better one.

[Tyler]

All right. You had me at heed.

[Mike]

Yeah, I will. I can't wait to. If I can disclose. Dude.

[Ryan]

Happy birthday, Mike.

[Mike]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Tyler]

Yeah, thanks for one of the 10 people yesterday to text me happy birthday

[Ryan]

because Facebook said it was your birthday.

[Mike]

Hey. Went in the whole group chat too. I think Liz. Liz Worm sent you a happy birthday as we speak.

[Tyler]

All right,

[Mike]

it's not 51 minutes. It's 50.

[Ryan]

I'll map.

[Tyler]

See you guys right now. Later.

[Mike]

50. 49.

[Tyler]

We're. We're at 151. I'm looking at two separate clocks.

[Mike]

Okay. My clock says, look at the screen right there on the stream yard.

[Tyler]

Yeah, We've been filming for 49 minutes. Good, good. It's fine. It's fine.

[Mike]

Yeah. That means we're not 51 in. Jerry Worms is packing up the house today and making the drive, and he will be.

[Ryan]

Whoa.

[Tyler]

Today's the day. Late.

[Mike]

He'll be in Florida late tonight or early tomorrow morning, and he'll be in his house in about a week. So we will probably have a regular Jerry Worms visit to the studio or definitely here. He's. They're all. They're all moved on their way. So exciting news. Only about an hour away from me in Lake Worth. They might be at Puppies.

[Tyler]

John had a question for you. And I wouldn't have brought it up had you not brought it up yesterday.

[Mike]

Go ahead. No comments.

[Tyler]

No.

[Mike]

I can already tell you. No, no.

[Tyler]

But how long is it gonna take him again?

[Mike]

It's Tennessee. Like 10 hour drive. But they're driving slow. They got in their car. They have a moving company coming to pick up their stuff in the garage and get it all out.

[Tyler]

They go into their house.

[Mike]

They cannot move in their house yet. They have to stay with a friend for a week until they close on the house down here. So they're like leaving stuff in storage for a week.

[Tyler]

And then Mary Worms, man. Jerry Worms is moving home. Homecoming.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tyler]

We're gonna set up this West Palm beach show or What? Yes, yes, we'll do that now that Jerry's here. It's a green light, June.

[Mike]

We'll have it in June.

[Tyler]

All right, all right.

[Mike]

Now you can roll your commercial now.

[Tyler]

We got another 50 seconds.

[Mike]

Now we have another 50.

[Tyler]

We've gotta get good.

[Mike]

It's 5, 50, 46. What do you mean 50? I don't know what clock. I don't know what clock is looked at, that clock says 50 seconds and 52. 50 minutes and 54 seconds. That means you're gonna roll 2. 1.

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[Mike]

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[Tyler]

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[Mike]

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[Tyler]

All right, so you want to hit these two videos first or you want to wait on Dom? Either way, I got something if you want to wait.

[Mike]

I got one. I got a video. Did I post them? You moved them out? No, here.

[Dominic Izzo]

You got.

[Tyler]

No, no, no, no. There's two here.

[Mike]

Okay, so here. This is a. This one is happened. This is a fast, rapidly evolving. This is a search for itself, like in the house. And I want you to watch how fast things go from crazy and hairy.

[Tyler]

I hate subject. Sammy,

[Mike]

did it pause?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Why'd it do that? Never mind. We're out of here.

[Tyler]

Do it again.

[Mike]

Why is it not doing anything?

[Tyler]

Your Internet sucks. Want me to try it?

[Mike]

Definitely not my Internet. Hold on. You remove it and add it back. Remove video. I'm not going to do the boom boom thing. I'm just going to add the video. Here we go again.

[Tyler]

There we go. Sammy.

[Mike]

Looking for Sammy.

[Tyler]

Hey, I got that.

[Mike]

Still looking for Sammy.

[Tyler]

Look at that. You see that, right? What is that a bag or is that a vest? That's a vest, huh? While searching the trailer, officers lifted a mattress that covered a storage area. When the mattress was lifted, officers saw suspect Johnson hiding in the storage area armed with a pistol. He aimed the pistol at the officers, which resulted in an exchange of gunfire.

[Mike]

Look at that female getting out of there, cuz. Let me get to the furthest point.

[Tyler]

Shots fired, shots fired.

[Mike]

I'll call out the shots fired, though.

[Tyler]

Yeah, she's got it.

[Mike]

Oh, there's her gun. Come out with your hands up.

[Ryan]

Come out with your hands up.

[Mike]

He's shooting the wall to the left. The dude's under the bed.

[Tyler]

She's shooting the wall.

[Mike]

Yeah, look at.

[Tyler]

Look, the mirror's breaking.

[Mike]

Yeah, she shot the mirror.

[Ryan]

This guy never comes anywhere.

[Mike]

Sammy's not doing. He's still not doing well. Come out with your hands up.

[Ryan]

Come out with your hands up.

[Tyler]

First off he goes in. He has great cover opposite the guy with the rifle. He's in the doorway. Not the best picture, but he said she just scoots him herself in and shoves that guy right in the line of fire.

[Mike]

I want you to watch where her shots go. Remember, he's around the place.

[Tyler]

If you're listening, I'm so sorry you can't see this. These are three officers that went. It looks like they had a search warrant. They lifted up the bed, which is. I've been there. You're. It's a last ditch effort. Like, what if he was under the bed right we just got to check this box. Motherfucker's in there with a pistol. It's something right out of a training scenario. And he starts firing at them.

[Mike]

Where her gun? So if you look to the left, that thing's not broken yet. Now watch.

[Tyler]

Come out with your hands up.

[Dominic Izzo]

Come out.

[Mike]

So there's her gun kind of oriented. There's the bed. Yeah, whatever this is to the left. Watch this,

[Tyler]

bro.

[Dominic Izzo]

She's shooting.

[Mike]

Four feet left into the door. She's still shooting.

[Tyler]

Is it you? We can't verify.

[Mike]

No, it's not his, bro. Look at her gun. He is there.

[Tyler]

Look.

[Mike]

So go back. You can't. Like, maybe if you're Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt, you could swing them around the corner, but I don't think you can. So look where. So if you were to ask her in court and you said, miss Becky, you probably cook a mean. You know, a mean alligator pie or whatever they cook. What sight picture of the suspect did you have? Now, you can make the argument he's under the bed, but you know where the bullets came from. So to do with the rifle is firing in the vicinity of a dude with a gun that only covers a mattress. He can shoot through the mattress. He can shoot through the wood and hit you. When you ask her in an interview after that, you know, you're. You're detective Juver, and you're. You're interviewing her, and you're an IA because, you know, you're one of those guys, and you say, ma', am. You know, miss. Miss Becky, what was your. I looked at your body cam. What was your sight picture? What. What? You actually. What were you actually shooting at? What could she say?

[Tyler]

I don't know. Yeah, I really have no idea. She would say, I freaked out. I was firing.

[Mike]

I heard gunshots, and I fired, too. You saw her go into the repeat mode. He yells it, she yells it. He yells it again.

[Tyler]

It might not seem like that big of a deal. It looks like it was a shower glass door or something like that. But here's the thing.

[Mike]

If that's not even a trailer, it's a trailer.

[Tyler]

What if somebody was sitting in a sofa four feet away?

[Mike]

What if somebody's next pointing at him?

[Tyler]

This happens all the time. Pointing at the. Pointing at the bed, going, all right. Then that all happens. You naturally got to worry about this person inside as a hostage. But then you go in, and you start firing, and you just shoot the person sitting on the sofa. Like that's a big deal.

[Mike]

I mean, remember, this is a trailer you're going through the plat. The shower's plastic and the side is aluminum.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, a lot.

[Tyler]

The deputy two years ago to that the guy was shooting through the back of the trailer and struck somebody stacking on the side of the trailer.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

It's nothing. It's aluminum.

[Mike]

Correct. So when you watch that, that is dangerous. That is dangerous. You got one guy stays in with a rifle. Cool. I love it. He's in the fight. And then like you said, she runs to the furthest point away, pushes through everybody, and then just runs back in, pushes that guy away, puts him in the back of the bus behind her where he could shoot her in the dome. And then rounds go off, and she just starts shooting her gun at nothing. Like, I'm sorry, man. If she was done, obviously the shots were fired. She was done. And she should. You know, she could have been dead at the rip if the dude really wanted to kill her and just pop up out of the mouth.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Till she got. She didn't pour a gun out till she got outside all the way to the front.

[Tyler]

She was first one to run. She had her gun out the. The slowest. She was the first one on the radio because she is trying to help. Here's the thing, guys, is I'm not saying that she's a bad person. Her way of helping in a moment of stress was sending signal from a radio to get help. That's the same thing a dispatcher does. Right. She wants to communicate problems. She wants. That's her way. That's her go to. To solving this issue or helping to solve it. It's not going and facing a gunman. Now does her training kick in? And she looks around and she goes, oh, I'm a cop probably, but that takes about 12 seconds. So then she goes in to do that, and she does what I've never really seen anywhere before in a video. I would have punched her right in the neck. If you think you're gonna push me into the fatal funnel so you can get your gun on what you think is the bad guy, like, that is the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life. That guy is now standing in the fatal funnel. When the guy on his left has cover and this cop to the right has cover, and she can't even shoot. It's just it to put that she needs to be strongly advised to pick a new career.

[Mike]

Yep. Dispatches.

[Tyler]

She almost got somebody killed.

[Mike]

Yes. Yes. Well, I mean.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

I don't understand.

[Jay]

That's it.

[Mike]

I was hoping Don popped in, but he's late.

[Tyler]

Nah, he probably didn't. This new time change really people up,

[Mike]

so I would have liked to have a take on that one, but, you know, that's.

[Tyler]

What's this other one you got?

[Mike]

This is on my pd. I'll play that one. This is. It's kind of long, but this is, you know, county. We. We say a lot of things about NYPD and. And are the good.

[Tyler]

Is the goon squad out there taking.

[Mike]

No, It's a. It's a really good video, though, and it's something. You don't even consider this in New York. You'll see what I'm talking about. Like the. What happened? So

[Tyler]

you're gonna have to do that thing again.

[Mike]

Yeah, because I moved the folder. I know what I did.

[Ryan]

Ma'.

[Dominic Izzo]

Am.

[Mike]

Hi.

[Ryan]

Ma'.

[Tyler]

Am.

[Mike]

Don't do it, please. Please don't do it. Ma', am, what's your name? My name's Officer Ben. What's your name?

[Tyler]

Ma'? Am?

[Mike]

What's your name?

[Dominic Izzo]

Can I come closer?

[Ryan]

Talk to us.

[Tyler]

What's your name? For those of you listening, this is somebody hanging off a skyscraper in New York City. And the cops are now negotiating with her.

[Mike]

What's your name, ma'? Am?

[Dominic Izzo]

My name is Nicholas.

[Mike]

What's your. What's. What's going on? No, no, no. Please. Please don't do it. We care about you. Listen, we care about you. We don't want to see you hurt yourself, okay?

[Tyler]

Don't.

[Dominic Izzo]

We don't want to see you hurt yourself, okay?

[Mike]

Can I come closer? Can I come closer?

[Dominic Izzo]

Yes.

[Mike]

Listen, we care about you. We don't want you to hurt yourself, okay? We don't want you to hurt yourself, okay? Listen, whatever you're going through, we can fix it. We can try to fix it, okay?

[Dominic Izzo]

Yes.

[Mike]

We'll take you to the hospital.

[Dominic Izzo]

I'm positive.

[Mike]

We can do whatever you want to do. Okay? Now, somebody here, I would say, where some might argue just grab her, Ripper, but, you know, this is obviously you lose control over, right? You go to Ripper off the ledge, bring her in, and she slips. Your life. You're never going to feel the same about yourself again, I would imagine so. Where I'm getting to with this is some of the tactics they take shortly after this on how they get to this part here. So they got a whole team. Their job now is to get up here and find a base where they can tie off to and cure that. She does fall, they have to grab her.

[Tyler]

They're not on the ground with her

[Mike]

cool stuff.

[Dominic Izzo]

This is aerosol stuff for those watching at home.

[Mike]

Yo, yo, hold that open.

[Tyler]

Do they have like a suicides potential?

[Mike]

This is like a high rise. Probably rescue suicide cris team, that's earth. They got to find a spot to tie off to and then be able to repel. And obviously the cops life rely on all this being done correctly.

[Tyler]

You couldn't pay me enough money to do this job right here. You good? You want. Okay, yeah.

[Ryan]

You care about. No, please, please.

[Tyler]

No, no. Hold on. So they have her now, right? Just by.

[Mike]

They have her through the glass though. So if they, you know, they can try to rip her to the glass, hold her, somebody jumps over, think about all the bad things can happen. So they waited.

[Tyler]

They held her.

[Mike]

He's got her arm. So he's got. He's making. He's got her arm and he's talking to her. And now you got a guy in a. In a harness and. And tied off to the building that if he falls or they slip, he's at least attached and he can probably wrap her up. So that's. That's what's getting going now. Hey, I'm here now, okay?

[Tyler]

Listen, I'm here now, okay? I told you I was gonna come

[Mike]

and help you, right? I told you that, right? So listen to me.

[Tyler]

We're gonna do this together, okay?

[Mike]

We can sit here for 10 minutes.

[Tyler]

We can sit here for half an hour. I just want to make sure. Look at me in my eyes, okay?

[Dominic Izzo]

I want to make sure that you're.

[Mike]

Yeah, 31 minutes. It's over.

[Tyler]

Building whatever it is that you may be going through, okay?

[Mike]

I want to help you.

[Tyler]

I will personally help you.

[Mike]

Okay? Okay. Can we. Can we go back over? No, you don't want to go back over?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay. All right, that's fine.

[Mike]

Hey, listen, I have you, okay?

[Tyler]

Look at me.

[Mike]

I have you, all right?

[Tyler]

Trust me and believe me, I have you.

[Mike]

Okay? We're gonna do this together, okay?

[Tyler]

I'm here with you.

[Mike]

We're gonna get through this together. Okay?

[Tyler]

I promise that. Listen, look where we're at.

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We have the best view in the city, all right?

[Tyler]

We're here together. Okay? We'll get you a new phone, all right? We'll work, we'll talk to your mom, we'll get you a new phone, okay? All right? And we have you.

[Mike]

Come on, help us stand out. We love you.

[Tyler]

We love you.

[Mike]

Over here. I got your arm on the other side. Thank you. You did.

[Tyler]

All right,

[Mike]

so story ends, happy, she gets back over. But think about you know, we talk a lot about New York City. That's never crossed my mind. A repel unit to rescue people.

[Tyler]

Well, here's the thing, is that they're so big, they probably have guys specialized in that in every precinct area where they go to a school and they keep the with them. And then when something goes because you don't have time, it's not like a SWAT call out where you can wait three hours for swat.

[Mike]

There's a, there's a broke guy, there's a repel guy. And then they're probably, I would also assume, based on that video, because you would think being aerosol like me, you would be in really good shape because it's difficult. But also that would probably be a cross trained unit that has to deal with crisis intervention as well. Because you could be the biggest, strongest dude and jump then, lady, you know what I'm saying? You got to be able to negotiate and, and talk to her as well. On top of being fit, that's carrying that bags are heavy, dude. Gotta carry those bags up upstairs, find a spot to tie off. I went to rappel master school actually at Orange county. So you have to know the knots. You have to know how to tie off to a base. You have to make sure you don't die. So all that's got to happen first, then you got to jump over there and start negotiating, get controlled. So I mean, that's like I said, New York PD gets a lot of. And a lot of, a lot of. We see a lot of bad videos out of New York PD but there are some dudes that do a hell of a job, man.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I got a, I've got a, a goon squad video. So NYPD has been getting a bad rap lately. We've been talking a lot of, to a lot of NYPD guys, but this should just go to show you they're still out there getting it. So they're walking up on a guy, maybe with a warrant, we don't know. But there's a goon squad of NYPD guys coming up. Dude's got a gun out on his hip. These officers clearly can't see it because they're coming up from behind cars. As soon as that cop sees it, they draw down.

[Mike]

Yo, get on the ground.

[Tyler]

Get on the ground. His buddy hits the dirt harder than anybody. Just enough.

[Mike]

Another day in the hood. Foreman.

[Ryan]

Dude, don't shoot.

[Tyler]

You can get our brother. There it is. There's the gun. Does it got an extendo on it? I love nypd. They still got it look at sitting there arguing with a suspect's gun in your hand. Anyways, I just want to point that out. They're still out there getting guns off the street. That probably. That could have prevented a murder for all we know.

[Mike]

1, 2, 3, 4. What murders?

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, Ryan.

[Mike]

They're on their way to work, man. Construction job.

[Tyler]

Letting Ryan calm his nerves. Real quick.

[G Money]

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[Tyler]

Hello. I don't know if YouTube will be okay with it.

[G Money]

You have great editing skills, and this is just tobacco.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay. It's live. I can't edit it.

[G Money]

So, yep, Everyone in the chat, thank you for being here. Thank you for adjusting to this change of schedule. I'm just a simple landless rent peasant doing my best to inform class consciousness. I'm open to being wrong. I have a lot to learn, plenty to unlearn, and I'm excited for the conversation.

[Tyler]

Well, you brought. You sent us a message kind of talking about that MOVE movement in Philadelphia. And I have actually covered on a podcast to an extent, and obviously there's a lot of debatable issues there, but I don't know if a lot of people. Mike, do you even know about move in Philly?

[Mike]

I grew up 40 minutes away. When I was there, I watched it on tv. When I was a kid, we watched it on tv. I remember it happening. Oh.

[Tyler]

Oh, you can't hear Mike.

[G Money]

I hear you, Tyler, but I don't hear Mike.

[Tyler]

Okay, what's gonna have to happen is you're. Ryan, you're gonna have to come out and come to come back in.

[G Money]

Roger.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's what happens every time, is they've got to come out and they got to come back in. Then they can hear everybody.

[Mike]

What it has to do with us both being in the same producer thing.

[Tyler]

Who knows?

[Mike]

We'll worry about it tomorrow.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we'll worry about it tomorrow.

[Mike]

We'll get it next time. And now can you hear me?

[G Money]

Okay, Charlie.

[Dominic Izzo]

I grew up.

[Mike]

I grew up, like, 45 minutes from Philly, so I remember watching that as a kid, like, live unfold. So I'm familiar with it.

[Tyler]

So I'll just give. I'll give a brief rundown. I'm going to try and keep it very general so it's not biased. It's not my opinion. MOVE was a. And I might get the words wrong. So, Ryan, correct me at the end. MOVE was a movement of people that were. I want to remember, they were nature based. They were very earth grown organic. They were doing things like removing the sidewalk in front of their buildings because they wanted dirt there rather than concrete. And outside of that there. There was just a lot of things that weren't violent by any means, but the community did not like that surrounded these people in these buildings. One was like listening to music loud. It was very, very small things that draw law enforcement to everyday people. Like, hey, turn your music down. And then it started escalating from there with. And this whole story is. When I say amazing, it's because of the fact that any of it ever happened. But law enforcement did need to take action, in my. In my opinion. Law enforcement notoriously made a very, very bad call, in my opinion as well.

[Mike]

Do you know what day happened?

[Tyler]

Your birthday?

[Mike]

Yeah. May 13, 1985.

[Tyler]

Oh, man.

[Mike]

I guess that's just a young boy, nine years old.

[Tyler]

Shitty reason. Your birthday sucks.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Oh, go ahead.

[G Money]

I'm curious. Like, what do you think that they did wrong?

[Tyler]

I think that is a. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with something like that, patience and attrition is going to prosper way better than violence. People like, look at Waco. Look at. Look at Chaz. We want the opposite with Chad. We just let that thing just kind of end itself. When people, I guess, wanted to take showers, like, I don't know. But we didn't use any force. We worked with the people of Chaz or whatever it was called to. To try and say, like, hey, there's rapes going on in here. Like, please let us come in here and help people. Like, there are way. We want police to be in here to help people. We respect your tent city. And so I, you know, I really don't know the particulars on why Chaz went away, but I know that we approach that very differently, very liberally, as opposed to Waco, which was dramatically the other end. And I think if. What I remember about this thing in 1985, it was the police dropped a bomb from a helicopter, Right. Am I mistaken?

[G Money]

C4.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah. And there was a lot of. We tried flooding them out, right. We. The. The police tried to flood them out. The flooding the building. I don't really know what that would have done. Maybe that was them trying to get them out by annoying them. Long term, I'm not sure. But go ahead and fill us in on MOVE first.

[G Money]

You know, I'm not an expert. I did visit Philadelphia for a wedding a couple years ago, and I visited both the site of Tun Tavern, which was the first Marine Corps recruiting station, part of our lore. And I also visited Cobbs Creek and the site of the MOVE bombing in 1985. And I, I'll be honest with you, I had much more of like an emotional experience in Cobbs Creek and you know, just at the sight of that. And yes, you know, the police from a helicopter dropped C4 on these people and they did not allow fire department to intervene for 90 minutes. I think five adults were killed and six children also lost their lives. And I think this is important because I think a week ago or two we were talking about 13 people allegedly killed in Iran. So, you know, you mentioned Chaz. Honestly, I'm not familiar with that. I do know about like Waco or Ruby Ridge. And I think it's important to acknowledge that the citizens of Cobbs Creek and Move were not the same people as Waco and Ruby Ridge. Can you help me understand what the difference between these two populations might be

[Tyler]

of Chaz and Ruby Ridge and Waco? Or are you talking about in contrast

[G Money]

to this move bombing.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

Essentially these are like white folks and black folks. Again, I don't know what chat.

[Mike]

Right.

[G Money]

And so this is really something I hope we can expand too in terms of the scope of the conversation where part like the immigration conversation is like, oh, if this, you know, if the United States is so like horrific, why do people, you know, keep trying to like jump the border and everything to get in? Well, you're vastly less likely to be bombed by the United States if you're in the United States. And Philadelphia and Tulsa, Oklahoma are two exceptions to this idea.

[Tyler]

What's in Tulsa, Oklahoma? What was that? Ruby Ridge?

[G Money]

No, this was the site of Black Wall street, which was the most, you know, the economically successful site for black folks throughout the country. And this was bombed by the government.

[Tyler]

It was bombed. That was also bombed.

[G Money]

Black Wall Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

[Tyler]

I didn't know about that one.

[G Money]

It's part of American lore that is under discussed that we don't really talk about. And so the question really I think for the present moment and the future is if we're mindful of the move bombing Tulsa, Black Wall street and I think a recent expansion to our definition of terrorism as like left, lean left wing leaning people, sort of dissidents.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

What is history? The history of Philadelphia and Tulsa inform us what is might be possible for this present moment and for the future from this government.

[Tyler]

So yeah, I mean, I'm getting called out for being too soft on here. However, you know, this is my official. I look up the unk over here. You know, if I was a chief of police with wisdom and my job was to stop bloodshed rather than start it. You know, I look at this like it would be a war of attrition. It would just be like there's no resources. Eventually you're gonna have to get weak and we'll slide in slowly or you're just going to voluntarily come out. At least get everybody that's not, I'm just telling you straight up around non combatant out, get everybody non combat. Now if combative age males want to stay in there and then it starts getting harsh. That's better than children and mothers in there that are not combatants and being almost forced to stand there by ideology.

[G Money]

But I think that's really important, you know, this idea of like war of attrition, you know, and I'll just kind of expand that in terms of foreign policy. The sanctions that we've put on nations like Iraq and Cuba are responsible for more deaths even than like combat. So it's something to think about in this like wars of attrition and you know, the deprivation of life sustaining.

[Tyler]

Yeah, if I was a chief of police or a mayor though, I would want someone to starve to death rather than my men shoot them. That's, that's, that's on them.

[G Money]

I mean, and native American Indians would agree with you. They've had both experiences.

[Mike]

But like, and, and I'm, you guys are the two smartest ones when it comes to this stuff. But like Cuba where you have obviously people fleeing due to their fear of their own government. What, what do you think is the answer? Just let them continue to suffer, Let them die. Let them just let it, let it, let the ant hill work itself out. Or you think putting sanctions and maybe not. You know, I'm not a fan of death. You may think the warhead, I told you what it really means. It has nothing to do with killing anybody. Do you think by us saying, hey, we're going to do the, do this to put heat on the government and some people may suffer, but the end of the day our goal is for the mass to survive in a better atmosphere. Like what, what is your version of the right way to do that? Just let it sit the way it is and let their, their government just continue to like starve and kill their own people? Or is somebody supposed to step in and try to help?

[G Money]

Yeah, it's a good question. And I appreciate you this, you know, this declaration about the value of life and you know, I believe that's genuine. You know, I appreciate that.

[Tyler]

Despite the hat.

[Mike]

Right.

[G Money]

Put that aside. I think the first thing to do would be to stop the embargo of Cuba, which has been occurring for decades and which recently has ramped up and even strangled them further. And this is part and parcel of US Counterinsurgency strategy. Make the general population suffer enough that they rise against their governments and overthrow from within. But I think there's. It's essentially a morally bankrupt strategy. It started with the genocide of the Buffalo Nation right here.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

And it extends to the bombing of desalinization plants in the desert. Like, do you think, like, there should, you know, we should keep, you know, hospitals, desalinization plants, baby formula factories, universities. Do you think that these sort of facilities should be off limits in terms of targets or.

[Mike]

I guess, yes, but unless you want to win. And I'm being funny when I say that, like, if you really want to win, then yes, you're going to target places that absolutely annihilate. If you can't feed kids, there can't be any more military males and you starve the, starve the society from.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Mike. The war hats coming out.

[Mike]

I'm talking. If I was going to do an effective strategy, I'm not. I would not want to, to do that. But going back to Cuba, though, without all that stuff, I know Cuban people very well, very close with a lot of people who like their government is not like, one guy is a dentist and he tries to bring Novocaine into the country to help his, the people over there. And he's stopped at the, at the border by the Cubans and he basically has to pay a tax and they take like 90 of it from him and say, oh, and they have a Rolex on. Go ahead and give us your Rolex and all that and we'll let you get this much through. So I get like starved. But also the own government is starving their people and, and making sure they're okay, not so much the citizens. And I know that for a fact. So I still put some blame on the country. The.

[Tyler]

Their own government is their problem because they're communists, Mike.

[Mike]

Well, I want to say that, but,

[G Money]

you know, I think that, you know, not all diasporic communities are a monolith. And there is a whole sort of phenomenon known as the Miami Cuban, which is.

[Mike]

Right.

[G Money]

Latinos for Trump, where a lot of this comes from. Right.

[Mike]

Far different. Yes, yes.

[G Money]

And there's this, you know, in Cuba they call anti revolutionary Cubans gusanos, which is a worm. But I don't want to extend dehumanization language. What I will say that diaspora often has social class aspects to it. Your Friend happens to be a dentist.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

Often the people of the lowest resources and indigenous people don't have the means to leave or really don't have the desire to leave.

[Mike]

Right.

[G Money]

Because that's their homeland. So I think the whole diasporic conversation is important and we have to sort of put the proper value in terms of, you know, citizens of the United States condemning the government of Cuba. Okay, great. But what about Cubans actually that are in Cuba, right. That are, you know, committed to their countries? It's important to discern, I think.

[Mike]

Yeah. But I mean, again, in my world, if the Cuban, this is my opinion, if the Cuban government just was right, did right by the people, I don't think it would be in the condition it's in right now.

[G Money]

I think that is important though, in terms of social class.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[G Money]

Dentists and landlords might have a problem with socialism and the redistribution of wealth. This is real. But, well, Cuba also has.

[Mike]

Forget you're communist.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

Cuba also has more doctors per capita than anywhere in the world. And they export their doctors all around the world to meet humanitarian disasters. And I think even during COVID the Cuba offered to send doctors to the United States to help with our crisis and the United States declined.

[Mike]

So kill Fauci.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

And you know, Fidel Castro had incredible amounts of attempts on his life. Right. So maybe a Miami Cuban bringing in insulin or whatever to Cuba might benefit from some suspicion and scrutiny.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay, people, did Castro kill? I'm asking Google right now, how many people did Fidel Castro kill? Estimates the number of killed by Fidel Castro's regime vary widely depending on the source, ranging from several thousand to over 100,000 as documented in recording in Cuba's totalitarian range. Do you care? Hip shot debate. Do you? Let's go.

[G Money]

Hey, curious though. Do you know who, without looking at your phone, who did Fidel Castro overthrow?

[Tyler]

No, I don't. I'm just, I'm actually looking at Google. Right.

[G Money]

So I, I'm.

[Tyler]

And they're so. I don't trust him either.

[G Money]

Fulgencio Bautista, I think is his name. I probably mispronounced it. Please forgive me. And this was.

[Tyler]

I don't think he will.

[G Money]

This is, you know, right wing western puppet that, you know, built mafia casinos.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

And had a lot of like Cuban slaves. You know, slavery was legal in Cuba at that time, basically for wealthy land landowners.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

And so, you know, how many people is Batista responsible for killing? Might be the next Google search.

[Tyler]

But that was that. That's a cool. That is a Cliche. What do you call that? Deflection. When we were. Well, I mean, he might have done bad, but how bad did the guy before him do? I think you used to turn this on Batista. But it says. I mean, to be fair here, I'll give you a layup. It says what I'm looking at. Most of the executions after the 1959 revolution were Batista's regime, which could be argued as war crimes, not. Not genocide. So. But then there's the University of Hawaii. Political scientists estimated that Castro was responsible for the deaths of 35000 to 140,000. 141000 people, including deaths from the firing squad, torture and anybody fleeing the country.

[Mike]

The same, same source says Batista killed between two, about 20,000 people. This is there. This is the same story. I wasn't there. I'm just telling you.

[G Money]

Revolution.

[Mike]

You weren't there. I was not there. I would eat the food, I love Cuban food, but I was not there.

[Tyler]

Yeah, revolution.

[G Money]

Revolution has always been bloody, right? We have the United States revolution. How many deaths is George Washington responsible for? We had the Civil War, which slaughtered.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

More Americans than any war.

[Tyler]

So is there any war that you agree with? Not agree. So just take that term. You know what I mean? So you. Can I give you permission to flip flop this around?

[Mike]

Is there any more that was necessary? How about that? That was necessary.

[G Money]

No war, but class war. I think the Bolshevik revolution in the Soviet Union, right, was important at the time. I think the Cuban revolution led by Castro and Guevara were super important at the time. My favorite war is the next war of right this. And look, let's look at the wealth gap in the United States, which is rampant, right out of control. I'll invite anyone in the chat to tell me who your favorite billionaire is.

[Tyler]

Vince McMahon.

[Mike]

He's not a billionaire.

[G Money]

This gap has never really been wider in any other society really without revolution occurring. So like what is it going to take citizens of the United States? And really even talking about these topics in this, you know, context puts myself at risk, right?

[Tyler]

The ideology of people like me and you, when me and Mike and you, right, let's say it happened. Banana virus or Fanta virus or whatever it is creates a whole new Covid, right? And it. That's the breaking point for America. And all the people that were faux once are now side by side taking back America. Whether you're red, blue, communist, patriot, it doesn't matter. And then once it's toppled, the foe continue to foe. I, I think that's what it would be. It would be like, we want to rebuild a democratic republic and we want to build capitalism. And it would be like, well, no, we want to build communism. And then it would just be a natural. Like we just beat up the bully and now the lunch is there, but it's only one lunch. So I'm gonna take the lunch and it just. I think that's inevitable.

[Mike]

Yeah, I think, I agree. I think if we, because we agree on that, this whole, this whole side of the argument, we all agree on, like I agree with you that we are, we are puppets to the, the elite. We are all puppets to the lead. And how far, how, how far do we go? Because I'm okay, right? I'm good. I got my retirement, I'm doing well. I can be on a podcast, but there's a lot of people that can't barely get McDonald's, right? They can't even afford to eat. So I think, But I think, unfortunately what Tyler just said is also true. We all go to war together, right? We beat the man. And then it's like, I think Ryan ended up a little better out of this man beating Tyler. Why don't we, if we take him out, you know, you and I got a little bit. But yeah, fortunately, I think that by nature that's what would happen.

[Ryan]

Sure.

[G Money]

And also, like with the decades of anti communist propaganda, right. McCarthyism, whole red scare idea, the United States is primed to go more towards the fascist end.

[Mike]

Right?

[G Money]

And so that's why you see, Even like post October 7, the narrative has shift a lot in terms of Palestine and Zionism. However, you'll notice a lot of folks have taken that so far where they condemn the entire Jewish population, right? And this is fascism. So, yeah, I, I agree with a lot of the concerns. I think it's going to be exciting, time to be alive. And so what you're talking about this.

[Mike]

We'll be able to bet on it too, on Kalshi.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we'll be able to.

[Ryan]

Here we are.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

And so that this is interesting, you know, because I'm in San Francisco, this, this hub of innovation and technology where this AI boom is occurring in this massive era of labor displacement. And so with the emergence of AI, advanced robotics, where there's not as much need for labor, and maybe not as much need even then for a consumer class to generate the economic engine, it makes sense that there might be greater wars, increase in viruses, right? And look, let me be completely real with you. My grandmother spent her life in a wheelchair due to polio. So I have a unique sort of lived experience that lends to gratitude for vaccinations. And I took the jab, if you guys want to call it that. Right. Multiple times. And being completely honest with you, looking at this government now, I am sort of curious about sort of the whole Covid coronavirus rollout.

[Mike]

Right.

[G Money]

In response.

[Tyler]

So

[Mike]

we have a super chat for Ryan. He might pull it back. Ask him if he agrees with us getting involved in World War II after we were attacked and after tiny mustache guy was doing what he was. Was us going to war. Wrong.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[G Money]

There's a great book called Looking for the Good War. American Amnesia in the Violent Pursuit of Happiness. And it's written by a West Point English professor named Elizabeth Sammit, and she talks about how this World War II greatest generation mythology has impacted us as a culture decade over decade, and towards our peril. A lot of mistakes. She says that after Pearl harbor, most troops were basically indifferent, and most Americans also were indifferent. Different because this was Hawaii, basically. This was a new part of the United States. Most of the United States is racist, so they didn't really care about these Hawaiians getting bombed at the time. And the government was concerned, as the news cycle was moving on, that the population really wasn't as concerned about Pearl harbor as much as they wanted us to be. It is curious that all of the aircraft carriers weren't at Pearl Harbor. That was really important for that war. Tiny mustache guys. Adolf Hitler, Yes, Absolutely. Got to defeat fascism. And part of the World War II mythology does not tell us that it was the Soviet Red army that is vastly more responsible for liberating the concentration camps. And they sacrificed about 21 million of their population to defeat Europe from fascism.

[Tyler]

I have a question for you. If. If we had let. If we had let it go on just a little bit longer, we hadn't gotten involved, do you think we'd have to be dealing with Zionism right now?

[G Money]

I think it's morally bankrupt to install concentration camps and genocide people. And no one knows more than that than the Native American Indian.

[Tyler]

I think I heard Ryan just say it's wrong to hurt innocent people. Yeah. Much like the. Much like the Iranians that were tortured and killed.

[G Money]

What I. If we can go back to what you were saying, though, I don't think Tyler's definitely.

[Mike]

Creatine is definitely working.

[G Money]

The Hitler final solution is the wrong way to approach geopolitics. And we have to discern. We have to disentangle Judaism from Zionism. And there's a Growing and growing amount of especially young, beloved Jewish folks that are anti Zionist. And we really have to take this moment to help that fire along.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

By avoiding anti Seminism and being very clear about anti Zionism.

[Tyler]

Do you think that the left and the right, just words I'm using to kind of do this, should all get together and not vilify each other for identifying Zionism, Zionism as evil? Because you're right, there's a difference between the Jews, there's a difference between the Jews in Israel, and there's a difference between the Jews in Israel and Zionism. They're all separate things. Everybody's got their opinion about it. Israel, more politics and war. The Jews are more religious. And we could say that they own all the organizations and companies. And then there's Zionism, which is this whole other thing. They all. It's like one of those circle pie charts where they all have their same thing and they all have a little bit in the middle that they share of. But at the end of the day, I think. I think Zionism is. Is very dangerous and the time of being vilified for calling that out is over.

[Mike]

Yes.

[G Money]

And as much as we are sort of noticing that the Zionist propaganda campaign, which they're investing more and more and more into, is not working, what I want to humbly invite us to be open to the possibility of understanding is that Zionism and Manifest Destiny are the same in terms of settler colonialism. And the genocide that has occurred and is actively occurring with the Palestinians is the same as the genocide and ongoing of the Native American Indian.

[Tyler]

Okay, yeah.

[Mike]

Well, these super chat, super chats real quick. We got Jay said Ryan wore a mask. On top of his mask. We have James Della Cruz, who's born and raised in Hawaii, one of our OG contributors, and aloha brother Tristan wants to know, has the commie ever been fishing?

[Tyler]

That's a good question. That's a very human question. I think getting to know you.

[G Money]

Some of my fondest memories are my dad taking me to Lake Berryessa in California and we pick up a bucket of minnows on the way. So, yeah, that's like really deep and close to my heart. I've also probably drank too much deep sea fishing type stuff out here in the bay. So I'm glad this summer I'll have 10 years booze free.

[Tyler]

Good for you. Good for you, Ryan.

[Mike]

That's good.

[Tyler]

I want to address something that somebody said in the chat earlier. Someone said something along the lines of like, this is the happiest they've seen me in weeks. I will say this. I read it and I thought about it. I have nothing to really nothing but fishing memories, maybe to share with Ryan. We don't agree on hardly anything and yet I enjoy talking to him more than I Enjoy talking to 98 of the people that surround me professionally. Ryan doesn't lie, he tells his opinion, he doesn't go behind your back and he's a very straightforward dude. I have dealt with SF dudes, Navy seals, all. Every single one of them have talked about me, cried when I said something about them talking about me. They're everybody we deal with has an ego, their own agenda and they're two faced and they're really hard to even be around or speak to. And Ryan being a contributor, I feel none of that. So that's probably why I feel happy or I look happy when I'm talking to somebody that I don't have to worry about being a giant piece of. Then you're a communist.

[Mike]

You guys just become best friends.

[G Money]

It's true I don't have any friends that are police officers, but I am open to being friends with former police officers. Yo, like that's a really kind and generous, you know, expression and I really, really deeply appreciate it. I find myself feeling less anxious as these weeks go by approaching this conversation. I'm sleeping better Wednesday nights before and I just want to uplift too. I got a comrade that I met in the comment section of Northern Provisions named Ice Pickj and this guy had a really generous reflection for me recently in terms of my consistency. And this guy formerly invited me to fight probably like months, maybe a year ago.

[Tyler]

Right.

[G Money]

I think it's, you know, through these conversations.

[Mike]

Right.

[G Money]

That diverge in terms of our perspectives that are in a container of mutual respect. It's the best opportunity to learn, grow, heal. And so Tyler, you know, we may be disagreeing because I'm right, you guys are talking.

[Mike]

Well now you guys made up and became friends. I got to read the super chat from Tactical Redaction who says, ah, imagine the amount of drugs Ryan has ingested to draw these conclusions. You guys can stop being friends now and get back to the chats.

[Tyler]

Yo, look at the war analogy, right? I could, I know I could go to war with Ryan and he's going to go to war honorably. I don't have to worry about some backdoor, you know, dude stabbing me in the back. You're a stand up dude, I will give you that. You are a stand up.

[Mike]

Can we get you guys to get together and narrate Shark Week together this. This year.

[G Money]

Hey, but let's listen. Let's really address this guy's chat, right? I've done a lot of drugs. Cannabis and psychedelics have been instrumental in my mental health recovery and resiliency. And in terms of cops and veterans, I think we definitely have to talk more about the morally bankrupt war on drugs. Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan was a 20 year American heroin colony. For example, you and I with the gray in our beards are probably old enough to remember Oliver north and the Iran Contra situation, right? So the United States is probably the biggest dope dealer on the planet. And the prison industrial complex and the military industrial complex are two Ps of the same morally bankrupt pod.

[Tyler]

Some things are hard to argue. I will say this. I would love to talk, man. I just had it in my head. I was. I was listening to you go.

[Mike]

You're smart for a while. There you go. It's time to be dumb again because you've been almost intelligent this conversation.

[Tyler]

So you talking about.

[G Money]

I do. I do have to excuse myself.

[Tyler]

You gotta go. All right, yeah.

[G Money]

Thanks, everybody.

[Mike]

I had one more picture for him. That's all right.

[Tyler]

We'll do it next week.

[G Money]

Save it for next week. Thanks, guys.

[Mike]

Back to work.

[Tyler]

Who popped in?

[Mike]

Izzo. I think I got the times wrong. No, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't. I think we just missed.

[Dominic Izzo]

What time was I supposed to be here? Like 1355

[Mike]

my time?

[Tyler]

Yeah, your time, it. No, it's 1355 our time.

[Mike]

All right. It's always time for. Always time for. Izzo.

[Dominic Izzo]

What time did you tell me to be on?

[Mike]

1 55.

[Dominic Izzo]

Your time or my time?

[Mike]

That's what I'm saying. We didn't clear that up, but don't worry about it. I want to show.

[Dominic Izzo]

Oh, see? Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Dominic Izzo]

So can you do 155 our time to 215? Yeah, we got time our show.

[Mike]

We can keep people nobody wants. What was I watching earlier that I wanted to show him?

[Tyler]

It was a video, a girl shooting. Oh, God. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

[Mike]

All right, let me bring this up. I want you to see this.

[Tyler]

But. Yeah, I wanted to publicly state it on here. Over the last week, I've been subject to debate after debate after debate after debate about females and law enforcement. And then it came to the conclusion after these very intense debates. And it rattled my brain, having to defend myself, I realized that there's no women in jobs that are hard because men do them. There's no jobs that are hard. If I go outside right now and I start looking for yellow flashing lights and I see dudes breaking up concrete and moving gigantic things of wire on their back, there's not many females there. If there is one, she's holding the stop sign for traffic. That's it. That's all she's doing.

[Dominic Izzo]

How many women built New York and Chicago?

[Mike]

There are some, right? There's old pictures of them doing the thing, making sandwiches.

[Dominic Izzo]

No. You know, if law enforcement is the only one where you need 30 by an agenda, like, 30. 30 by 30. It's the only one. It's the same damn argument with, like, Illinois two years ago. Like, every January, you got to watch out what laws come into play. And I guess I'm paraphrasing, but if you owned a company and your board did not have a diverse group of people, including, like, one female, one female of color, X, Y, and Z, you were subject to legal ramifications in Illinois. So it's like, I don't. I don't understand how you do this.

[Mike]

That's. That's like corporate stuff, right? Like corporate boards. And Tyler said this last week or the other day, and he's 100. Do you know where that's not? 30 by 30 doesn't exist in the field of construction, in the field of moving the heavy things, in the field of manual labor, you're never going to see women go, God damn it, we need to be 30 of the lawn maintenance people in this country. Let's get out and get after it. We need to be 30 of the people who move, you know, coal miners. We need to get out and get after it. That they don't. That'll never happen.

[Tyler]

And to. And. And to kind of talk what you just talked about. Let's say there was a woman in Chicago when it was being built, black and white photo, holding up gear. You know what that was? That's the equivalent of finding a female's Instagram page and going, look, she trains. Let's. On the big screen, let's give her 70 live viewers. That's the same thing. Because those dudes took that picture and went, wow, she's really doing it. She's the only one, but she's really doing it. And then that creates this rounds, right? Women building Chicago. It's one woman building Chicago. We do the same thing now with social media. We find the outlier and we praise it.

[Ryan]

I don't.

[Dominic Izzo]

I don't think that's. No, the. No, the outlier is every female that's involved in law enforcement because males do not need females to be patrol officers. Females need males to be patrol officers. It's always going to be that way. So the outliers are the females in general. I will always praise a female like the one we were talking about yesterday. Her pistol skills are about 100 times better than mine are and I expected to and demand standards and excellence in law enforcement to be of someone like her caliber. So yeah I like and I've said this since the beginning I talked to a woman this morning in my DMs. I'm not 100 anti female cop I like being an they have these females show up and they make me eat my words online I that to me says they give a about the job and they're professionals.

[Mike]

No yeah I just don't I am

[Tyler]

I am taking the flag I'll say what needs to be said There is no place for them in law enforcement.

[Dominic Izzo]

I said that before all you and I've been taking for it since before my I just joined your ship and

[Tyler]

then I'm like where's Dom? And Dom's running Mike's ship over there. I'm like oh

[Dominic Izzo]

you can't grow unless you have a balanced view.

[Mike]

You have to be able to take make exceptions. You have to be able to go

[Tyler]

there's the exception and that's that's your mindset. You have to so you're gonna give them to me you're gonna find them

[Mike]

and shove them and be like too because all we do with the guys is we highlight the bad ones. We do the same thing we on men cop all the time they look fat sloppy I post 100 okay so that is the when the we want them all to be very fit and most of them are like a lot of the guys are the SWAT guy so they don't get as posted as much and we see the fat ugly one we post how can you tell

[Tyler]

me how can you say in the same sentence that men don't need female cops females need men.

[Dominic Izzo]

I don't have the emperor staff of the world to make the statement to say females can't be cops if I had I agree president and said we want you to run the accountabilities board on law enforcement training and standards what are you going to do I am going right back to a 510 minimum height requirement and no females and you have to be a body fat equivalent to your and until that happens it has to be it said it Izzo says all the time females have no place in law Enforcement. Not even in the detectives bureau. Not even. But since that's not the reality that we live in, I do say, all right, this is a woman that does not disprove the rule. She's the exception to it here.

[Mike]

Amen. I, I'm the same way with the vegan. I'll be a vegan if everybody else stops eating meat. If we're all going to stop eating meat. I'll stop with. With you. If they're not going to stop females from being law enforcement, I want to show all those stupid making them stupid videos. This is the one that actually can get in the conversation. You're not even close to this. You shouldn't be here. That's why I would post that. You won't go.

[Tyler]

I agree with you. Here's where. Here's. But here's where me and you aren't seeing eye to eye. Is that you don't preface that. I say you're showing. I, I see. Like you're comparing one female to all of law enforcement. If I knew the argument was no, I'm comparing this female to other females. Then I can still agree with you and go.

[Mike]

This is why I say she. This is the exception. Now. She's not a law enforcement exception. Don't do that. You're missing the boat. That's not the case. Because as much as I like any of them I've posted of five. Your six foot male that Dom wants to hire is. She's never going to outperform him in a million years. It's never going to happen. So my point is when you have thousands, we have Atlanta hiring people that can't even speak the language correctly and they're massage therapists and they're prostitutes before they became cops and all this crazy. If I go, this is the girl. This one. That's why it's so weird. This is the one of maybe two or three. I know. I saw where I can go. If you're going to be a female and you want to be a cop, this is the minimum you should be putting into this job to even be in the conversation to do it. That is my point. Maybe we're missing that, but that is my thing. That's why I show her.

[Dominic Izzo]

I started to know one and we didn't hit. We. I worked with about seven or eight cops and three of them were shit. So the rest of them were great. But I also work with. The rest of them were male cops. A few of them were. The rest were great. We didn't have this problem. You know, 20, 30 years ago, the problem with females today is somebody came along and said we have an agenda that we want to pass. Yeah, we're going to take all of you who are 411, 5 foot 0, a 5 foot 10 female. Now they're rare, 5 foot 8 female. I'm not going to as much. If they're fit, they're 5ft x amount of inches. I'm going to on the illusion that a girl who's under five foot, my sister is five feet tall. There's no way in hell she could take me into custody. I'm going to on them because somebody told them. And this includes males too, right? Because the, the height requirement for men was 5 foot 8 until I think I graduated high school and I had a shot and it was, oh, I'm five seven, I got it. But you're, you're telling these people that you could do a job that you physically cannot do without backup. It's not fair, it's not right. I put up a post today. Somebody sent me a picture of a very, very, very young graduating classroom academy. These all look like children. They were all X amount of height. Law enforcement is the one profession that I don't ever want somebody getting on the job. Life experience training. Because it's not like Starbucks, it's not like construction. It's you up that day. Oh, I should have done that. Someone else pays your price for it. Someone else goes to jail. Someone lost the teeth because you use the wrong force. Somebody got a citation. That should have been a warning. Maturity is one thing, but intimidation, lack of physical presence, you, you as a human being going in. If a five foot, four or five foot, what, two female walked into you too and had to put him in custody. And her backup was some pudgy male she went to the academy with. Both of you are going to be staring down the barrels of pistols.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

So the problem I have is it's not females per se, it's right now here's what we have in law enforcement. We have the shittiest males I've ever seen that are on the street, out of shape, retired, on duty. They're untrained, they do not know anything. And we have females. I, if we removed both of them, we'd have no cops in the street whatsoever. So we have to go with the most obvious choice to eradicate and eliminate right now. That's women. Until they mature and stop doing their get ready for work with me online and then focus on the males and say this fat has to go this untrained has to go, this 300 pound sergeant has to go start at a base, then reset the system and allow females in who are qualified.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I, that's where I go is because obviously I have a front row seat to what it takes to even be in the ballpark. Like in the conversation my wife is in that she's capable. That is the super exception. And when I see another one it's like I want to highlight them too and go, all of you posting those, get ready with me. All of you doing these things, you're not even close. You're not, they want to be equal to a man. You're not even close to the women that are in the ballpark. You're not even close. And that's the reason that it's to highlight them is so these people maybe one day will go, man, I, there's no way I can train like her. Well yeah, she's doing everything she can to get in the ballpark. Then there's dudes that are 10 times even better that are in the gym, that are stronger, taller, bigger, can do more things. So how, how do we, these females should not even be in the ballpark. You were doing great. You were doing great with it, posting it. I mean it's just a highlight. If you swear in, if you swear in a 5 foot 100 pound female, you should go to prison the day she gets killed. You should go to prison the day she gets killed. Her family should be able to sue you and say what the did you put my daughter through to get her with a 6:3 dude at 3am and he beat her to death? Yes. Or she goes, yes, or she kills somebody because she goes here he comes, he's yelling at me, I'm just gonna kill him. You should be responsible for that as the chief of police or the city. And you should be sued by the family of the deceit, the dead person if they end up dead and the female cops family if she ends up dead, you are responsible for her death.

[Dominic Izzo]

You look at the profession is just surviving police or whatever it is. The Instagram posted the other day talking about cops not doing training or X, Y and Z, blah blah. And I put a comment in there, it said paraphrase that the cops are so lazy that if a department doesn't have funding for X, Y and Z they won't train. And the amount of people who backlash cops should be paid to train cops should be just. This is the amount of the tens of thousands of dollars I spent for tactics, training Physical skills privately was something that I didn't have a problem doing with. It was just a part of my job.

[Tyler]

We.

[Dominic Izzo]

We have. It's males and it's females. And when I. And mostly when it comes down to those who won't train, it's males. So when I see a female like the one that we saw yesterday, I can't remember her name again. I'm gonna praise her because she trains 10 times harder than we see out there. So right now, we have a standard across the board of law enforcement that sucks. Lazy, entitled cops who think that they get the badge, they go to social media.

[Tyler]

Why do we pray? Why do we praise females and not males?

[Dominic Izzo]

We do. We praise the males who deserve. Well, here. Oh, here's the reason why. Ready? Because it's their job.

[Mike]

Somebody asked me.

[Dominic Izzo]

Somebody asked me a while ago, it's

[Tyler]

the male job to do over the bare minimum and exceed the standard. They get no credit.

[Dominic Izzo]

100 women, no.

[Mike]

I post. I post dudes making arrests. I post the dudes with the dope and the gun. So I praise them. But the thing is that the capable male who trains hard and does his job doesn't want to be praised anyway. He just goes to work every day.

[Dominic Izzo]

He gets his job. He knows it.

[Mike]

And he doesn't want us to praise him. He doesn't want us to praise him. He just wants to go do his job.

[Dominic Izzo]

I'll give the females accolades because they. Because right now, the female standard is like that the blonde who was just on Ian Books podcast who's just as dumb as a box of rocks, right? So that's the female standard. Like, like, like. No, I want a female standard of a bad. That. I'm like, okay, you impress me. The guys that's. That's tier one, entry level. That it should be them all the time. So they don't deserve praise because that's the job we expect them to do.

[Tyler]

I think you guys are perpetuating the system. You're even talking about how so Praising women that shouldn't be here in the first place, that men do better.

[Mike]

You're missing.

[Tyler]

I'm not. I'm not missing. I'm letting you guys talk.

[Mike]

I don't want. If the women that we're praising go, this is the bare minimum. If it even is the bare minimum. I'm with you.

[Nick]

These.

[Mike]

All these other females should see that and go, there's no way I should ever apply to be a cop because I can't even get to her level. And her level is maybe not even to everybody else's level. That's what I'm saying. That's my point. That's the reason to show it. Because a female should look at that page and go, I can't show it.

[Tyler]

Here's what, here's where the mental mindset is, Mike. You, you praise men, cops by playing their videos, playing their arrest, playing all this badass stuff. But you get something out of that as a podcast host and stop before you tell me I'm wrong. You get, you. This is called content. You get content from them. You don't praise their Instagram page saying, look how awesome they're training. You don't get content from this female. You just praise her training. So that's the difference.

[Mike]

I think it's like posting. My wife led that girl to reach out and say, like, my wife talked to her. She saw the. My wife's post.

[Tyler]

Oh, it's definitely giving us content. That's for sure. Probably about two hours right now.

[Mike]

But I'm saying as far as I don't really use it on my podcast, like here we don't really talk about it in Cobbville. I never talk about it. I get mail guys on. I repost them on Instagram. So on Cobbville, you'll see guys making dope, arrest guys send me their videos. I re share that really doesn't pay me anything thing cobbled $0 when I reshare their stuff. So that's more or less showing. That's the job side of it. Like, look at these dudes, look at these dudes, look at these dudes here on the podcast. I really, we really don't get into that stuff because it's kind of boring to do your job. That's really. What they're doing is their job. But I think it's important for me to go, you girls can't even get in this girl's ballpark. Why are you even here?

[Dominic Izzo]

Allowing females into law enforcement gave men carte blanche to be fat and lazy. Because now all of a sudden you can't criticize. If you can't criticize standard across the board. And females are going to have an inherently high body fat. They're going to be having inherently high lack of training and skills all that well now all of a sudden that gives permission for guys to be lazy. Women are the problem in law enforcement. I would rather have a ton of that are like Jojo and, and, and again the one we talked about yesterday. Because that would make, if that was the case, if every female were like them, you'd have the guys just by virtue of what's in our DNA, that's attempt to impress other females. They'd step up to the plate and they'd up their game. But we don't.

[Mike]

You're right. Because where that works is I've seen it at the range where men look at her and go, I can't shoot like her. I better straighten. They don't care what I'm doing. Like, I'm a dude. But I remember that feeling even before I was with her. It's like, dude, this chick out shoots me. I'm gonna blow my brains out. Like, I don't want this to happen.

[Dominic Izzo]

Well, well trained, well abled. Women threaten everybody. They threaten other women and they threaten guys. And the sad thing is, is when you throw that into the mix because nobody's professional enough to understand, okay, we need excellence here.

[Mike]

They're.

[Dominic Izzo]

They're just. They're a liability in the workplace. So they're never going to be praised.

[Mike]

But I go back to, I agree with you. That's if in my world there would be no women cops.

[Tyler]

Well, I think that all of us bring very good points to the table. You know, Mike, yours is like, hey, they're here. There's nothing we can do about it. So let's compare the best ones to the rest of them to give something to strive for. I'm saying I want them to know that there's dudes out there that don't believe they should be here. That should light a fire out of their ass. Yeah. Some in a red hat saying it. And then lots of people in the chats are going, hey, we kind of agree too. Men also. And these, A lot of them aren't men cops. A lot of them are men that might have to call 91 1. And it feels good for them to say when me and Dom talk. And Mike, most of the stuff you say is it feels good to see other dudes go, yeah, that's not good. It's okay. It's okay to not want a woman to come to your rescue

[Dominic Izzo]

or former. The amount of private messages I get, I'm sure you guys do too. That talk about how horrible I got, hey, bro, I'm active and this is what's going on my department. Why are you not saying anything?

[Tyler]

That.

[Dominic Izzo]

That is. The law enforcement will never change so long as those who are active continually keep their mouth shut.

[Mike]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tyler]

I had somebody. It's funny you say that. Moving off the topics of females, somebody messaged us and said, talking about Massachusetts and the Massachusetts. We put out a reel this morning where one of the victims or witnesses said that like hey we can't. Nobody can have rifles here. And then a guy gets the gun laws didn't work on just starts shooting civilians. And somebody said even in Mass State troopers that want rifles can't get them. The trooper in then Cambridge was not issued a rifle. I've been trying to get a rifle for four years on Mass State police and they just make up some excuse about why not having enough ranges or some bs. It really pisses me off. I said thank you. He said they sent. This part's probably specific. He also said in there to remain anonymous due to retaliation. So it's real and people. All kinds of subject matter. Cops aren't able to talk and say what they want.

[Mike]

Yeah, I've had two canceled episodes so far since I've been doing this.

[Tyler]

Nuts. Just recently, right?

[Mike]

Yeah, this week. So it is what it is man. But I think most important is we talk about it, right? Because not many people are going to go on here and talk about this kind of stuff. They're going to dodge it or, or their wives won't let them talk about it or you know, they're gonna, they're not. You have to, you have to generate these conversations and you're right. The chat on obviously the non cops, their opinion should matter the most. They're the ones that have to call 91 1, right, and say I need help.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah, I need help. And, and again we talked about it yesterday which was it's not going to be today. It's going to be five years from now where all of these, every Facebook page go look at all these police department Facebook pages where they're putting up and featuring these women who are 4 foot 11, 5ft tall and they're, they're putting them side by side with males that graduated academy with. And it's what is going to happen in six months when they're solo, 18 months when they're off probation. And where, where are they going to be if. Even if they're still fired? And how much damage did they do in their wake in the learning process?

[Tyler]

I laughed my ass off, Dominic, when I saw your pocket cop.

[Dominic Izzo]

Un. Believable. It's.

[Tyler]

I guess pocket cops are a thing now.

[Dominic Izzo]

I love my borderline dwarf.

[Tyler]

Like he has to have dwarfism.

[Dominic Izzo]

That was, that was a female.

[Mike]

Oh, that was a female.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Dominic Izzo]

You know, androgynous female.

[Tyler]

It's like four foot tall.

[Dominic Izzo]

The biggest problem, you know and I've. I talked about this Especially when it comes to females is, you know, I was never military, so I have been told. And something that made sense to me years ago, was it women. The reason women are not in the front line is, is if I'm on the front line with the three of you and, and when you get shot or injured, we're going to triage the wound and go complete the mission. But if a female does it, we have this protector and provider thing that kicks in. And I don't know if you guys have ever worked with females, but yeah, man, when you've become friends with a female and you're going hands on and somebody may be a little bit indicated that they're gonna do X, Y and Z, you amp your up because you are protecting your sister or even if she's a friend or maybe you two off duty, it's a dangerous. That happens with guys. We go into this protector mode and we get a little bit more physically abusive than we need to to show off and peacock for females. And that's why I said this yesterday too. You know that other woman, I think she's lesbian. But if I worked with her, you see a female that dialed in, that fit, that tactical, that's attractive to me, that would distract me from my job. So it's. It. I'm not, I'm not a fan of it. They gotta go, they gotta go. But sadly, you know there's gonna be the ones that put their lip gloss on and it's like you, I do not want you showing up to my sister's house. If 911 is called and they need it. But if a female who is ripped to tactical as hell, has pride in herself, is squared away, shows up, she's going to be there for the right reasons.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And, and well, you know, I've said this for a long time too and you kind of touched on it just there. You get a squad. Let's say you've got a squad full of dudes that are, that are really well organized, really well. You know, they, they know each other through and through, whether it be the military or police work. And then you throw a female in there, watch, watch that wrench go right into the gearbox.

[Dominic Izzo]

Get the, get the leather couch, get

[Tyler]

the letter

[Dominic Izzo]

drinking and every, every female I've ever worked with, I'm. It's just every one of them has gotten sexually involved with somebody they worked with or the bordering agency or multiple guys every single time. Every one of them. And some of them were great cops.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I mean you just. Even if guys Start that South park episode where the girl, you know, all the boys start hitting their chest. Oh, guys act differently around women. They just do.

[Dominic Izzo]

Now go to a call. Go to a call where a guy is pumping up his on and. And you got to take him into custody and the guy, you know, gets in the face of the female. What do you think the cop's gonna do? The male cop, he's gonna tune him the up.

[Tyler]

I let him hit her.

[Mike]

Wait, no. I thought I got some breaking back, but it's not there.

[Tyler]

All right, you guys ready to sign off?

[Mike]

I am. Good. Oh, look at that.

[Tyler]

Mike yawn twice.

[Mike]

I was looking. I got. So I have a public records request in for Kaylee's. All of Kaylee's stuff from Orlando Police

[Dominic Izzo]

Department she was in. I know that. What I was told some of her co workers was that she came from the bar industry, got in a bar fight there and sued the bar owner. Then went to her department, claimed. Apparently claimed sexual harassment against her FTO or something.

[Mike]

That's what I'm getting at. She clicked yes, that's Orlando pd, which I want. I asked for all her dors and any memos transferring or letting her go.

[Dominic Izzo]

She was with another story.

[Mike]

Even on Ian Bick, she claimed her FTO treated like. Then she went and became an sro. Then she quit. The rumor is Orange County. She's in the process with Orange County. So I'm trying to find out what I DM'd. Amina and I made a couple comments on his last couple posts like don't, don't, don't do it.

[Ryan]

It.

[Mike]

But I also have intel she was involved in a traffic incident going 25 over at a state park. And there's body cam and really good body cam. So I'm waiting for the FOIA on that. And I'm waiting for Orlando to respond with her dors in her termination letter. We'll get to the bottom. Yeah, she was with Orlando, Kissimmee and then. Or Saint Cloud, one of those two adventure. Aventura let her go like weeks in. And allegedly she's trying to get one

[Dominic Izzo]

to go do that game. I was think cloud that she got eliminated the first episode.

[Mike]

Yeah. And then Aventura, she got hired and they forgot to tell them about all the dumb she does. And then they let her go.

[Dominic Izzo]

But that's the standard. But that's. That's what they put on the face for with this. These are the women that we want in law enforcement.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

And it's not fair. It just. Just like with the guys, for every female that is hired, there is a marine who just got back from overseas who not a job now, who's fit, who's intelligent, who gets passed over for some slag just simply because she's got, you know, come whore eyelashes and blonde hair.

[Tyler]

All right, guys, we're gonna wrap it up.

[Mike]

Thank you so much. Dominic.

[Tyler]

Later. That's Dominic Cop Talk Live Friday night. Is it 7 standard or cop Talk

[Dominic Izzo]

Live on Friday nights? Don't be a lazy. Google it. Yeah, not you, the viewer. It's eight, eight Eastern, seven Central, six miles.

[Tyler]

Yeah, seven Central, eight Eastern. Cop Talk live on Friday. Dominic, thank you so much.

[Dominic Izzo]

Later, guys.

[Tyler]

Later. All right, that'll end it for us.

[Mike]

We've got.

[Tyler]

We have another show, Night Shift on counterculture. And then I guess next month, man, people are starting to take night shift into their own hands. We'll see how shitty they do at it.

[Mike]

Sunday for Boston.

[Tyler]

Oh, we leave Sunday. We got. Justin is going to be hosting the show broadcast on Tuesday the 19th. We will be gone leaving Sunday. We have a. We will be hosting Monday from the Reveal network studios. And then we will be participants in a game show where I will show my mental dominance over Mike. And after that, we might just go pick a small place for people in the Boston area to maybe go have a beer with us. And then we got to be up early in the morning on Tuesday to catch a flight out.

[Mike]

And not too early. 10, 15, we got to be up at 7. Yeah, yeah. We're staying right by the airport, so we're good.

[Tyler]

Yeah, so that'll be fun. If anybody's in the Boston area or wants to make the trip, meet me and Mike, man. We'll have a beer with you. It'll be a good time. And I can't wait to dominate you on a game show for the whole world to see.

[Mike]

I'm waiting on you tonight.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna take the gun guy to get me that first pitch. That first pitch to end it.

[Mike]

And Bubba love Sponge. We got some things coming up, hopefully.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Mike]

We didn't talk about that. The cumulus ads look good.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah. We'll talk about it tomorrow.

[Mike]

Perfect.

[Tyler]

All right, see you tonight, guys.