We Have HATERS Because We Speak The TRUTH (06/22/2026)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: We Have HATERS Because We Speak The TRUTH
Date: June 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Antihero Broadcast is a wide-ranging, high-energy conversation for veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans. The hosts are joined by Franco Santana—retired military, cop, dog trainer, and business owner—for a deep dive into law enforcement culture, leadership failures, the broken promotion system, canine policing, and veteran transitions to the civilian world. The crew delivers signature banter, tough-love realism, and blunt critiques of industry standards, peppered throughout with memorable one-liners and sharp-witted rants.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Slow News Weekend and Community Updates

• With little breaking news to discuss, the hosts pivot to catching up and reinforcing listener engagement (Discord, Patreon, The 99 App) [03:53].
• Franco and the crew recount their weekend activities, dietary struggles, and some lighthearted gambling stories to set an informal tone [04:38–06:16].

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2. Cops Suing Criminals: Changing Legal Landscape

• Discussion on the Knox County deputy suing his attacker for $2.5 million, signaling a new era of police officers pursuing civil litigation against assailants [07:00–10:12].
• Insight: There’s debate about the professionalism of law enforcement and the unforeseen consequences if this type of litigation becomes commonplace.
• Notable Quote:
  “That's a game changer. That guy's going to have trouble in his lawsuit only because they know the floodgates will be opened if he wins.” – Host B [09:29]

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3. Agency Versus Individual Responsibility in Law Enforcement

• Criticism of the culture where officers are held individually accountable for systemic failures while agencies often escape scrutiny [16:21].
• Notable Quote:
  “The agencies are always off the hook, dude... They're always responsible for everything, but when your agency completely sucks and they fail you over and over again, no one ever looks at that.” – Host C [16:21]
• The conversation pivots to support for more lawsuits against agencies to drive accountability [14:35].

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4. Promotion, Leadership, and the “Good Old Boy” System

• Hosts break down the toxic culture of promoting officers based on tenure and politics rather than merit and leadership ability. [21:07–25:11]
• There’s a business vs. government comparison—how companies seek out star talent to promote, but police agencies protect status quo and stifle innovation.
• Notable Quote:
  “Some people want to see you do good. They don’t want to see you do better than them.” – A (Franco) [26:24]
• The importance of having promotion based on skills, proven experience, and merit rather than just “paying dues” or time served [50:12–51:49].
• Memorable Moment: Host C recalls a story about a high-performing officer punished for a minor mistake while underperformers face little consequence, highlighting inconsistent leadership accountability [30:12–32:58].

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5. Physical Standards, Training, and “Professional Athlete” Mindset

• Rant on the fitness double-standard, with admin staff allowed to be out of shape while the best street cops get penalized for minor infractions.
• The concept of treating law enforcement and military professionals like athletes who require constant high-level training, physical fitness, and performance standards [37:11–39:46].
• The necessity of top-down leadership to establish and enforce excellence, rather than bottom-up efforts doomed by entrenched cultures.
• Notable Quote:
  “If you want to learn how to shoot? Government work. If you want to know how to do paperwork? Government work. I really can't think of anything else other than shooting and maybe fighting.” – Host B [34:27]

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6. Morale, Brotherhood, and Losing the Warrior Mentality

• Comparison between military and law enforcement: military units retain real “brotherhood,” while many police departments fall short, undermined by politics and social climbing [48:06–48:50].
• Discussion on how pursuit of specialty units/promotion leads officers to lose purpose and loyalty to the core mission [49:01–50:12].
• Franco provides insight into the reality of veteran-to-cop transitions and the loss of tight-knit team culture.

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7. The Broken Canine Handler System

• Deep dive with Franco into his background: Army deployments, childhood with working dogs, transition to law enforcement, and dog training business [61:16–77:01].
• Critique of how agencies assign K9 positions—too often based on seniority or “catching dogs on the sleeve” instead of actual canine or tactical expertise [87:42].
• Notable Quote:
  “What is a canine handler? It's just a guy that went to a course who got certified... You just know how to operate the machine.” – A (Franco) [83:02]
• Argument that best-qualified candidates (regardless of prior patrol time at a specific agency) should lead specialty units—homegrown mediocrity shouldn’t trump outside excellence.

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8. Defending Meritocracy, Critiquing DEI and “Paying Dues”

• The hosts and Franco advocate fiercely for “pro merit” hiring and promotion, not diversity “box checking” or tenure-based favoritism [98:46–102:01].
• “One-year cop twenty-five times” analogy: time in service doesn’t equal competence or leadership [84:55].
• Notable Quote:
  “The job isn’t to create a bunch of people that... The job is to protect those citizens. The job is to protect people from crime.” – C [88:58]

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9. Fat Cops, Standards, and Unions

• Discussion of practical (and legal) barriers to enforcing fitness standards due to unions and culture. Shared frustration about overweight officers/leadership and the lack of physical standards enforcement [109:10–112:00].
• “Fat shaming” vs. “creating an environment” where hard work and physical fitness are normalized (Sandy Springs case example).

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10. On Specialty Units and Road Experience

• Stress on importance of core patrol (“the road”) experience even for specialty unit supervisors. Critique of the system letting officers stagnate in special units, losing touch with street work [117:14–120:08].

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11. Franco Santana: Canine Training and Building a New Facility

• Franco shares his vision for a world-class, multi-functional canine and tactics training center in Brunswick, aiming to elevate training standards nationwide [121:04].
• Plans include: container village, static ranges, gym, pool, airstrip, and even skydiving operations.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “That's a game changer. That guy's going to have trouble in his lawsuit only because they know the floodgates will be opened if he wins.” – Host B [09:29]
• “Some people want to see you do good. They don’t want to see you do better than them.” – A (Franco) [26:24]
• “You're a one year cop 25 times. You never got the experience past the experience or mindset of a one year cop.” – C [84:55]
• “What is a canine handler? ...You just know how to operate the machine. That's really what a canine is, driving a car.” – A (Franco) [83:02]
• “The job is to protect those citizens. The job is to protect people from crime.” – C [88:58]

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Key Timestamps

• 07:00 – Knox County deputy sues attacker: legal precedent
• 16:21 – Agencies vs. officer responsibility
• 26:24 – “Some people want to see you do good...”
• 30:12–32:58 – Punishing top performers, leadership failure
• 37:11 – Professional athlete mindset in law enforcement
• 48:06–48:50 – Loss of brotherhood, promotion pitfalls
• 61:16–77:01 – Franco’s military/canine background
• 83:02 – What makes a legitimate canine handler?
• 98:46 – “The standard is a standard”—meritocracy relentless defense
• 109:10 – Debate: How do you enforce physical standards?
• 117:14–120:08 – Specialty units vs. road experience
• 121:04 – Franco’s canine tactical training center vision

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Tone and Takeaways

• The crew speaks with candor, sarcasm, and a touch of righteous anger. There’s a clear thread of advocacy for frontline officers and veterans, real toughness, and skepticism toward government inefficiency and performative reform.
• Listeners will come away with a sense of the frustration—and hope—among those working to change law enforcement and first responder culture from within, prioritizing real standards, integrity, and true leadership.
• The episode closes with quick plugs for upcoming guests and streaming reminders, but is primarily focused on the substantive, unfiltered conversation about professional standards in policing and public service.

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Transcript

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We are live. The Anti Hero broadcast is here. Got a hell of a show for you today. We got Franco Santana in the house. Dog trainer, cop, retired military, business owner. The most exciting part. So stick around. It's gonna be a good show.

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There I am.

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I didn't get broke this weekend. Had a good time, good break and time to get back to business.

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The entire broadcast will say what you can. Information provided by the speakers and presenters on the entire broadcast platform is for general informational and entertainment purposes only. Information does not represent the broadcast network and all entities involved. All information is provided in good faith. However, we make no representation or warranty of any kind, express or implied regarding the accuracy, adequacy, validity, reliability, availability or completeness of this information. Hurt feelings is not defamation. Team for Life Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. It is Monday, June 22, 2026. The entire broadcast is a news entertainment broadcast for veterans, first responders and all blue collar Americans. We go live Monday through Friday 1pm Eastern Standard Time on YouTube, Facebook and X. So if you're a fan of the show please subscribe and like. This show is brought to you by Ghostbed. Go to ghostbed.com forward/antihero thank you. Save 10 on their already ridiculously low prices, pillowcases, mattress hoppers, cooling patented technology sheets, their award winning mattresses 60, 000 five star rating and reviews in house customer service and free shipping on those mattresses. So if you got to replace something in the bedroom go to ghostbed.com forward/antihero save 10. It'll tell them that we sent you an elevated silence. Go to elevated silence dot com. Use promo code anti or 15. Save 15 on your suppressor. They have cans from everything from 22s to 50 cal. So exercise your second amendment right, get yourself a suppressor. The process is not that hard and Jim will walk you through it. Elevated silence.com promo code anti or 15. Save 15. And guys, if you haven't joined the Discord, now's the time. I put it off. I would. I didn't want to join any more apps. I was like, oh, this is gonna be too hard. The boys finally talked me into it. It is a good time. There's always a room full of people off and joking around and talking. So if you want to get to know us, get to know everybody else in the 99. The discords, where to do it. It is free, super easy to download and actually super easy to use, which I thought was going to be different.

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Yeah.

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If you want to.

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All day, every day.

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All day, every day.

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I went to. For Heather's birthday and Father's Day, we went to the Kobe Steakhouse. I posted a video on Patreon, and I texted a picture of my giant pallet of rice to Mike.

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Yes.

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And I said I couldn't do it, dude. I could not do Carnivore because I cannot wait to eat this whole brick of rice.

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I survived the week. I went to Hard Rock this weekend.

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And did you come out on top?

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No, I did good. I did okay. Let's put it that way. I was. It was a roller coaster and I never play slots, so I cashed in. I hit a full house on my last hand. We're getting ready to leave. I was like, well, I had like a grand. I said, let me take this extra 20. I put in one of those wheels. Fortune machines. Won another 400 bucks on like the second spin. So I was like, okay, did. Had fun. Didn't overspend. Didn't overspend. But I did maintain the diet the whole time there. It wasn't very difficult. Chicken wings.

[B]

You can get rid of that ranch.

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Put me on, too. There you go. Chicken wings, ranch, prime rib. I didn't. I stayed away from the cars, man. I did okay. It's not. It's not terrible. Once you're in, no more Boston.

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Yeah, okay.

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Eight foot cheesesteaks. It's the only thing they had. That's all they had on the menu, man. It's Boston.

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Yeah. So, I mean, we. Not a lot going on. Did you just turn the TV off, Eli? Not a lot going on. You're probably the worst producer we've had so far. Yeah, I'm just kidding. I know you didn't touch it. So what was I saying?

[C]

You're saying something about Lewis coming back at the end of the summer.

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No, nothing.

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Slow work, slow week, slow weekend.

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It Usually on Mondays, man. It's. There's so much news from over the weekend. We have to pick and choose what we're going to cover. And I've never woken up. Eli. I'll go over there and handle it once Mike takes over. I've never once had a Monday where there was just no news.

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Yeah, that was very, very. Nothing really happened.

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I mean, of course there's stories that pop up here, but international, national news, nothing.

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We're battling the dope right now. Message. Message's playing. Argentina's playing soccer right now.

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Oh, man.

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So we're like fighting the number one dude in the world. Yeah.

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For.

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For our airtime hit.

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Hit up one of your stories. I'm gonna go fix this tv.

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We talk about, let me see here, you know, cops, this, that, and the other cops getting ensued. Cops doing dumb things. So I found this to be an interesting story and something that maybe we'll see happening in the future. So just like everybody else, you're on duty, you're a cop. You still have some rights. You still are a human being. You're not completely owned by the government, although they try to tell you that. I don't believe so. So I found this story out of. I believe it's Knox. Hold on one second. Knox County. They were on Knox County, Tennessee, and they were on On Patrol Live. And during one of the filmings of On Patrol Live, a Deputy was assaulted and received some injuries. He has NOW filed a 25 or 2.5 million dollar lawsuit against the dude who assault assaulted him. So the Knox County Sheriff's Office deputy is seeking 2 point million dollars in damages from the power man charged with trying to kill him with a rock. The complaint filed this week in Knox County Circuit Court ledges 20. Dalton Swanger suffered serious debilitating head injuries after Christopher Hensley hit him in the head with a rock. The incident occurred on the night of June 21, 2025. Swinger and others responded to reports of gunfire at Haley's house and the crew of On Patrol Live joined officers that night and recorded what happened. So long story short, I'm not going to read because I'm not the greatest reader.

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But I was gonna say people make fun of me for reading. Yeah, you're awful.

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There's a lot going on in the background. I was trying to focus. So I think this is good. I think this is something that, yeah,

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cops are gonna start suing.

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I think everybody, I think they should. I mean, you're under the gun, you're a professional, you do, you're doing this job. And I, as my, as we're seeing, I'm gonna cover it Wednesday on my Cobble episode. But as we're seeing that, you know, these agencies believe they control your lives, right? They control everything about you. You're a cop 24 hours a day until they don't want you to be. If you do something off duty, don't like you're a cop. If you do get in a T bone, car accident, break both your legs off duty, you're not a cop. You're just another one of the community. So in this case, you're doing your job like everybody else does a job and somebody tries to kill you.

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Well, at what, at what point though is it the expectation of the job that it would affect a lawsuit?

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I mean, that's like you do you

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sign paperwork when you become a cop stating that you can't sue something.

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They wouldn't even let it in.

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This is a game changer.

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This is, this is.

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That guy's gonna have trouble in his lawsuit only because they know the floodgates will be opened if you wins.

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And so Tennessee is a good place for that to happen. Tennessee still supports people. They're very constitutional friendly state, they support their police. So I think it's better than being like New York, California, Florida would be a good place to try it. But yes, there's gonna be a lot of attention being paid to it. But just like any other dangerous job, you have like linemen on, you know, FPL or linemen in high. You know, guys that put electric wires up. All those jobs happen. I'm pretty sure you can sue, dude. I mean, if somebody. If you're. Let's say you're in a bucket truck and you're doing your work and a car runs through you, knocks your bucket

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truck over and you. I got one for you.

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Good.

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My buddy was driving his marked up F2F150 down the interstate, right? It's. It's a 2024, 2025. Right. Completely ran. It's all, you know, it's not an electric truck. But now cars are pretty much ran electrically. And his entire truck shut down. Everything. He did a 180, I think, if I remember correctly. He did a 180 part slammed in the front of him. He was. I think he. To stern him up from the seat belt. Dude died. That hit him. He out. I remember he came back to her. He had. I believe. I'm not going to say it for him. I believe he had severe PTSD from that. And dude, it was like lawsuit century. And of course the agency and the county are trying to like workers comp. Was. I'm telling. He needed to go back to work. And I'm sitting there at breakfast with him. He finally. I'm like, dude, you can't. You can't. Like, oh, no, it was before he came back. I'm like, the second you come back to work, your argument of being hurt is gone. Like. Like they're trying to get you back into work because they know that an idiot wouldn't sue. He had the opportunity to sue Waylon the company. He had the opportunity to sue the county. He had the opportunity to sue the law. Like, I'm like, dude. And I remember, he's a good cop. He just wants to be a cop. He's like, dude, I don't want to. I don't want to do all that. And I was like, well, I think you could still sue the county in Wayland. I think if you left, maybe the sheriff's office out of the lawsuit wouldn't be so much bad blood that where they could keep you. But I don't know. I never. I never asked him what happened about that.

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But yeah, it's interesting subject though, right? Because down. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would. You have. You have to. You have to somebody that up.

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Yeah.

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And it causes a problem and it kind of goes along with this one is just because your Job entails high risk. So that would be like sign up going, okay, I, I'm. People are allowed to kill me. It's almost what you would say if this guy can't sue. So you're allowed. People are allowed to kill you because that's not. Law enforcement isn't out there to get killed. Law enforcement is supposed to maintain peace, right? All the cool things you answer at the table to help people. So if somebody tries to kill you in any line of work, you would think, you know, you're a restaurant manager at Applebee's and some dude walks in to smash you in the skull with a rock and cause you to lose your career, you would think you could sue that person. I don't know where the money's going to come from because the dude's still in jail for attempted murder. But yeah, it makes it interesting because

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then, you know, you. You're looking at suing one person, right? But then who's to say, well, if I can, I can also go after the entities involved for allowing this to happen to me, like fail safe and whatever. I mean, that lawsuits are crazy. I'm telling you right now, it's 2026. You can literally sue anybody you want.

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I heard about that all weekend.

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Did you?

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After my rant Friday and everything we talked about Friday. Yeah, I heard. I did get some messages about suing, but. Because that was topic. But you know, we have guys like, you know, Dominic kind of. He tends to support. I wouldn't say criminal. He tends to support the other than law enforcement when I say that he supports cops, but he tends to push for so much professional professionalism out of law enforcement. It would sound like he supports people going after law enforcement. Right? So here and here. Let me go to the other side of this. Let's. Let's do that. Let's get a whole group of attorneys together and go, oh, you didn't. You know, you skip the agency failed to do annual training three years in a row on this topic. Dude gets murked in a car accident goes well, I haven't done driver's training at this agency in seven years. And even though, per all this other. It's supposed to happen every two years, we haven't done it. I get in a car crash. Can I see the agency?

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Or they're.

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They, let's say an agency like in your county sheriff's office gets rid of jiu Jitsu and you, you lose an opportunity to go to some nice program that helps you in your job of taking people into custody. Can you go, well, you guys offered this program. I was using it. You took it away from me. And now. But you know, there's. I think it opens the door for, like you said, for a lot of agencies to get sued as well because you could sue the person that tried to kill you or if the agency fails to provide the services or the training to you, why wouldn't they be responsible? Nobody ever holds them accountable now because

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we do as a, we do as our. We're told as good government.

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That's where we have to do. Listen, clip that. Start suing the agencies. Like if your agency is.

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So you don't work there very long.

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But listen, it's all coming in my head right now. Think about this. We are told that we are professionals. We have to uphold the highest level of professionalism yet. What do we see? Complete admin staffs completely look like crap. They've given up on life, they've given up on fitness. They're not providing the proper training. But it's just, it's their lottery. They're just going every day and numbers are. Cops are not going to get hurt. Right, but the mat might get here or there, but overall it's just like winning the lottery. Unfortunately, we lose, you know, about 100 and change cops a year to multiple reasons. Right. That's a low number for the amount of cops there actually are. But there's massive amounts of failures in training and providing training to officers throughout the nation by, by their agencies.

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Well, look at the.

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Why wouldn't they be?

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Yeah. If I get hurt and I can articulate great example that a zone wasn't being covered and maybe somebody had gotten to me quicker. That's because any lawyer will tell you, yes, you can sue it whether or not it's a strong case. Is a lawyer supposed to articulate that back to you like it's just a strong case. This is a very strong case. This is not a strong case, but we can still sue. I can sue you right now for the way you looked at me if I like you're allowed to. Yes, it's a, you know, and, but the, the floodgates will be open. And I'm happy for law enforcement because everybody else is suing the out of everybody else and cops are out there getting sued left and right.

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But my point is who Brian says

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this episode's very true.

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The problem is, and this is, this is one of my huge issues is the agencies are always off the hook, dude. It's the regular dudes out there grinding, working, doubles working. They're always responsible for everything. They're responsible for what they post on and off duty, what they say on and off duty, what they look like, how they respond to calls, the attitude they have. They failed to de escalate. They were too aggressive. They shouldn't have pursued that car. Thousands of responsibilities put into one person. I get it, you're a professional. But when your agency completely sucks and they fail you over and over again, no one ever looks at that.

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Well, no one ever looks at that. I will say me, me and Mike are advocates of the profession in general. We since extended to advocates for like, men in general. Like the way society and population is treating men. The 99 is full of, you know, blue collar dudes, military dudes. You know, we're not at war right now. So, you know, there's not many complaints about the military. And plus, dude, the g wat the VA took care of people, you know, the veteran, the Vietnam era of veterans that if they had podcasts back then, it would have been a different story. But I, I really, honestly, truly feel outside of certain cases, the military is taken care of and veterans are taken care of, in my opinion. Me and Mike talk a lot about law enforcement because we did so much time there and we spent so much time there. And I'll be the first one to say it. We are talking about the, the profession as a whole. So for anybody involved with us or anybody that's associated or speaks on this, our mine and Mike's opinion do not reflect theirs. And we're not talking about any agency in particular. So we're talking about. And I love how people go, I don't see this dude. And the one thing that me and Mike try to do is if you work for a great agency and your career is awesome and you love the job. First off, pause. Cherish it. Right? We're not taking that from you. We're not trying to sit here and say, no, everything's bad everywhere. So what we do is and we, we identify these people and we say, okay, so please don't be blind to all of the other people in this industry because your situation is awesome. Like, respect that everybody else might not feel that way. And a lot of people do. So like, Kenny talks and he's like, man, I have a great agency. And I feel awful for people that, that have a toxic agency and toxic. But they're out there. These little agencies are out there and finding them. And then so Mike started putting, putting his money where his mouth was is it started create. Compiling a list of agencies so when people ask me, I'm like, all the time, where should I go work? Here's a spreadsheet. This is verified by people that work here. And we'll let other people, if they want to comment and go, no, no, no, no, no, no. This agency that you have on number three line, not a good agency. Okay, articulate why? And one of the comments that I got, because like I said, I, I joke a lot. I around a lot, but I do try to make the industry better for people that are still in it. I don't care, to be honest with you. Like, I, I really don't care. I don't sit there and, and lose sleep over it. I'm now an entrepreneur and we, you know, own a couple businesses. I'm home with my kids all the time. I'm home with my wife. No one tells me what to do. I do it all. Now I get to allocate all of my resources and reap, you know, what I sew and hard work because I own it. And there's a lot of risk that comes to that. But someone commented, it was in an urban Valor. I was on there and I was talking about, you know, it's the clip that is almost at a half a million. It's not a big deal or anything, but someone, someone's in there talking and saying, look at this guy, blah, blah, blah. So of course I go back. If I see it's not a constructive comment, I'll go in there and just hit him back with insults. I don't care. It's content. Right? You know, if it's somebody genuinely bringing up a point, I don't do that. I, I talk with them. But he said something shitty. And then of course, people, you know, it was a thread of like a million comments. It was a week ago, but I saw a thing today and he went back in the thread and tagged me and said, I even gave you an out. You're the perfect example of why law enforcement is falling apart. The whining, now this. I did call him geriatric earlier. He's an old man or an older man. Yeah. And so I said, no, you're the reason it's falling apart. Accepting what is happening and stopping people from being, from bringing awareness to it. Like, in my opinion, you stopping someone who's bringing awareness to issues and saying, stop whining. You're the reason why there's a goddamn problem.

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I agree. I agree. It's the, it's the whole job is dead back and forth argument. Here's where my. I've said this a lot. Guys get into law enforcement for the right reasons. I don't believe we have when. And this is where that whole split with like the Steve Ladners that. Come on, Dominic, and, and all cops are there for a pension and a paycheck. They have no duty. I believe the vast majority pro high 90s of people that join law enforcement do it for the right reason. The problem is the administration sucks. And they're all in positions where they control everything about the agency. And do you think. Do, do, does do cops want to train their replacement? Absolutely not.

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Are they ever.

[C]

Is a, Is a administration ever going to go, man, we want these guys to be so good they can take our jobs. They're never going to think that way. So when you see the unconstitutional crap and you see cops not being trained enough to understand the first amendment, auditors and all those things we're seeing, I don't blame the cops. I blame the agency's administration because one, they're not training them properly enough and two, they're not, they don't, they don't support them enough to, to take the responsibility of what's going on in law enforcement. The training's not there. The overtime is out of control. Guys are being forced to work ungodly hours. There's no, we always say it. There's no thin blue line. There's no brotherhood. You walk around that station waiting for the next problem and it's not whining. That's where I look at some of these auditors and these people that hate cops that we see all the time. Bootlickers, all these comments. It's not the guys on the ground, it's the guys in the building. And that's where the problem is. And I'd like to see more people get involved in actually going after the dudes in the building that are creating

[B]

this atmosphere as we're going to get to know. Franco, like once you enter the entrepreneur world and the world of business, it for me, 100 changed the way I look at government efficiency. Right. So you're trying to make a business grow. Let's say you are geriatric. You're out of the game. Your 50s, 60s, right? What are we. Sorry, Mike. Late 50s, 60s. And what are they doing? What is every business doing? They are bringing in younger people to figure out how to make it thrive and grow and at least stay on top of the next generation. Law enforcement doesn't do that. They don't have their sheriff admin meetings and go, I want A random selection of street cops in here every time and giving their opinions. Giving their opinions because we are out of touch. We are old. No matter how. I don't care how much you love care. When you're older, you're in. You're getting out of touch with the younger generation, which is going to be the consumer of your product. So law enforcement's the same thing. Although you're not selling a product, you're trying to evolve with times. And that's why we're sitting here. We roast these.

[C]

That was one of the smartest things you've ever said, man.

[B]

I get that about once an episode, maybe about once a week for me.

[C]

I didn't even think of that. That concept of that command step, meaning now the command step has to be open to it. They're not going to open the idea.

[A]

Sounds great.

[C]

I'm saying when Franco tells me that this place is all up, and I'm like, man,

[B]

yeah,

[C]

write him up. So you have to be able. You have to be willing to accept that. But that's actually. You're right, you know, but there's the difference in a corporation or a company, if you walk in the door right now and you tell me something that you're doing, and I go, oh, my God, that can triple my profit, Right? What is law enforcement. We're going to make guys better. What? Do better. What? I just said better. Guys are going to take my job if I'm a bird. So I'll be like that guy. Like, that sounded great. Like, he might be a sergeant and a lieutenant one day. That's good. Him get rid of him. I can't risk my position. Whereas a CEO or a business, when somebody walks in and he tells us that, we go, holy. That's gonna make more money for our company.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You can come on every day. You come on every day. We'll get a spot for you. Like, that makes sense, right?

[B]

What? And what. What. What will happen? Is it just like in any industry, let's say I'm the CEO of a Com. Mike's the CEO of a company. I'm a junior exec. And you're a guy that's been around and has really a really good idea to change the tradition trajectory of a project that could actually, you follow. Have to go through me. Holy. Franco looks really good right now. And I did not come up with that idea. Mike wants to know that idea. He's gonna go, absolutely. This fantastic. Franco, you can. This is okay. And he's gonna look at me and go, Tyler, make sure you facilitate Franco in doing this. This is a really good idea. I want you. Him to work side by side. I'm like you.

[C]

Then I say. Then I say, matter of fact, bring Franco to the next. We're having a meeting Friday. You bring Franco in with us, and the problem. You're gonna get shitty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The problem with government work is that you can't do that because they're gonna go, well, there's a chain of command. There's a process to this, and Franco is just gonna have to sit in his patrol car and go, I could fix this agency. And that's it.

[C]

Yeah. And they're gonna. But everybody's gonna talk to Franco. Like, no, you can't. You're just a patrol guy. You're just. You're just a more. And that. And that. You're right. That's where we lost, man. That was really smart, dude. Dude, that was a.

[A]

Well, it's like I told Tyler, I think earlier, we were talking and I was like, some people want to see you do good. They don't want to see you do better than them.

[B]

Yeah. That is the truest statement in the world. Like, man, I. I in owning a company like counterculture, like the media side, I would love. I watch those guys numbers now. They're all new. They're all new to podcasting, every single one of them. I watched their numbers, hoping that maybe they can get close to beating Antihero. Because it's good for business. It's. It's good for everyone.

[C]

I want them to triple us.

[A]

I do.

[B]

I know. I want a show on that network. I want one of them to make a viral reel and wake up, and they've got 1 million Instagram followers like it. It. I want people's success, and I take my ego out of it. Look at business. So if I was the chief of police or a general in the army, I want things to be better, and I want things more streamlined, and I want to be more effective in all of our efforts. So. But it just doesn't work like that with government.

[C]

The easy. And this is where it's so simple for law enforcement. This is where, again, reasons I want to be in charge. If you're the easiest way to gauge that if your agency has no openings.

[B]

Right. That's.

[C]

There's really not much to gauge an agency based on. Much like there's so much going on, you go to, like, Palm Beach County, Orange county, these big places. You can't even put a finger on what's going on there. It's just, it's just out of control.

[B]

If you don't have an inside guy.

[C]

Correct. But if you look at like a small, if you start looking at like, okay, I have a smaller agency, smaller, under 2, 300, 400 somewhere in there down. And I always go back, I'm gonna say, probably hear this out of my mouth a million times. Sandy Springs Police Department right outside of Atlanta, Georgia.

[B]

Full.

[C]

All those agencies around there, all those places to work around there. Sandy Springs is full. They have a waiting list to get in. Why? Physical fitness important. Jiu jitsu important. They pursue cars, they back their guys, chief involved. Out in the street. All those little things that you go, yeah, of course they're full. Like, why wouldn't they be? So when somebody says to me, well, how do you gauge if a place is, is doing well? That's not LAPD or NYPD where they're mass exodus and all that. But you start looking at some of these under 500 agencies, which are most of the agencies in America I think are under 100. Like most police agencies are under 100. And you go, are they full? Well, no, they got openings all the time. Well, why, why the. In a world where everybody wants to be a cop, there's guys lateraling all over the United States. We're paying bonuses, we're sending guys. The academy with that type of resources available here in Florida, they'll pay you like five grand to move. Why aren't we full? Well, because it's not being run well.

[B]

There you go. Sometimes I wonder why I had such a crappy time in my law enforcement career. And I look back and I go, oh. So when the sheriff would come address us, you get any questions, I'd be like, hey, why have the academy classes been so significantly smaller? Are we downsizing and the people are accepting? Are people not coming through the doors? And it would be like cricket, like say that just like. But I would always ask those questions because I'm not trying to call anybody out. But those are the real questions that like what? I, I, I came in through an academy class with an in house academy class with 33 people in it that year I asked that question. We're having seven, eight, nine people a class and they're all fat tubulars from, you know, it's just. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, that, that is true. I forgot he is King's the mayor.

[B]

I remember when he ran Kronister got on late watching. In the beginning, Knox county mayor is Glenn Jacobs. Cade from wwe. Love the show. I've been listening for the last few years.

[C]

That's probably why. Well, they're big too.

[B]

But what were we talking about?

[C]

That's the guy suing the cops. The cop that's suing the bad guy. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I think Jerry. That's. I think Jerry was too. I think Jerry commented at the beginning was, he's up there. But yeah, it's, it's, it's not rocket science. And it's kind of why I, I just don't understand why it's so difficult. Law enforcement. Because these guys get in these positions, they get out of touch and they lose track of the basics of what law enforcement is for, which is to protect the people. And you're right, they would never entertain a guy walking in with that type of idea. They'd be like, get the guy. What does he ask? And even just little things. Like, I remember they wrote, we had a guy. I had a guy under me who is a really good cop, really good cop. And he left a wallet. I supervise him. I supervise him. And, and I supervise him. And when I ruin all credibility of the show after, after 1 second after I got demoted and all that nonsense happened, I finally had my meeting with the sheriff after like a year of not talking to him. I said, why the did you charge this guy with a Group 3, like, fireable offense for losing a wallet? And he's like, well, we're just losing too many wallets. And I'm like, okay, I get it, right? Tell people to start paying attention more. But you pick the guy that's doing this 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He's on SWAT. He's doing everything right. Right. He's doing everything right. And you made an example out of him. And that's another failed leadership. It's like, no, you don't go. He doesn't get away with more than anybody. But if you had eight lost wallets in a month and it's becoming a problem, you don't pick the guy that does the MO that should lose more wallets because he's collecting more property, because he's putting more people in jail, he's doing more police work, and then single him out and go, we're going to make an example out of him. And he's going to have a group three, like, letter reprimand in his file for what? The same thing everybody else is doing. Put a directive out, let's be a little smarter, let's pay attention more, those type of things. But that type of leadership, I think it just, it. It's like, it kills the momentum of things. And then you got guys that are £400, £300, can't get out of their own way, walk around late to work. And because they have, like, they're just. I don't want to deal with this guy. He's a old grumpy piece of. So he gets away with it. Because we had a female that worked there that would just do everything wrong. Nasty woman. And nobody wanted to deal with her. So she could do whatever she walk in briefing. This is so stupid that we're in briefing. I gotta drive 45 extra minutes. Everybody's just like, we don't want to say anything to her. But then dude loses a while he's on swat, canine, he's doing everything right. Let's give him a group 3. We have a no smoking policy, but she smokes in her car every day. Nobody will go right her up. It's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. These are the people in charge. Wonder why the fucking place is empty.

[B]

What is it? What's your take on just what we were talking about? Government, like, sustainability of agencies or entities in the government Based on what? You know all that?

[A]

Well, I mean, Mike said it earlier and it's just like, how is it, how are we supposed to hold. Like how we have the, the audacity to hold officers accountable when you yourself as a. Either chief or AC or even lieutenant or sergeant are bigger than my fridge?

[B]

Like, not a good way either. It's a fridge.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's. It's definitely like, you get a dude that's fit, that does the job, that's always, you know, doing the right thing and trying to stay within policy, but yet you pick him out because what. Because he, he, he was an example and you had to, you can, you

[B]

can be a shooting star as long as you shoot where they tell you to shoot. As soon as you're a shooting star and they're like, this guy is just kind of like, you become a maverick or a renegade in their eyes immediately, even though you've done nothing wrong. But they don't like free thinking in government work. It's not good for government work. It really is not if you're the type of person that thinks outside the box and problem solves in a leader,

[A]

they don't like when you're the one thinking it. If they think it, it's great.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're. But if you're. I mean, I tell people all the time, dude, government works a Great place to go get training and credibility. I would have nothing in my, in my. I was just talking to Eli about this this morning, the gym. Like I would have nothing to brand on had I not worked for the government for almost 20 years of my life. Like I just wouldn't have anything. I would have no experience. What would I talk about? Right, what, like a lifestyle brand, clothing brand, you know, anything like that. It's, it's, it's a lifestyle brand because of the trials and tribulation that ones go through through their professional development. And so government work wasn't the end all be all for me. But I mean, dude, you want to learn how to shoot? Government work, you want to know how to do paperwork, Government work, you know, you want to know how to. I really can't think of anything else other than shooting and maybe like fighting that. The government traded me for that. I was really.

[C]

And like to piggyback on what you're saying.

[B]

And what he's saying is that's a government term. I'm going to piggyback off him 15 minutes.

[C]

Piggyback off of what he said. As far as the, the fitness stand and not everybody, there's guys that are fit, that are morons, but for the most part a person who spends their free time to make sure they're better, especially cops, because you know how it goes, dude, you do the shift work that you're tired, you got to go during shift after shift, the days off you're working over. I get it. But guys that spend time maintaining their fitness while doing all the job of a patrol officer to me are the cream of the crop. And then you get to admin where I miss my argument. These have nothing but time. They sit around. I could, I could cut five admin positions tomorrow at the place. Five tomorrow, no problem. That's like 200. That's a million dollars.

[B]

Have you ever seen Entourage?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When Ari walks in with the paintball gun and just start shooting everybody.

[C]

Like five 200-550,000 dollar employees. So you know, quarter million that absolutely served no purpose. And it's, it's. That type of trickle down is like if this fat sloppy dude who has all the time in the world, he's at the station all day. The gym is right there in the parking lot. It's got sophisticated state of the art equipment. If he can't maintain fitness and he can't get to a meeting on time and he can't do all these things. But Johnny Blow on the road 23 is ripped, doing everything Working overtime, wants to be canine, wants to be swat. He's working. It just doesn't make sense that people give these guys a pass. And that's a mentality thing. If they're out of shape, they're not taking it serious. They don't wear the vest, they drive to work, they avoid calls, they never get out of their car. How are they in charge? What are they in charge of? What are they really in charge of?

[B]

Well, we talk about a lot, we talk about like what law enforcement. I would even say military units, infantry units, you know, treating them as if you are a professional athlete because physical fitness is one of those key characteristics that you do share in those in law should share in law enforcement, the military, being a professional athlete. And one thing when you're a professional athlete is morale is always high. You are, you are the focus of everything that that billion dollar industry runs on because you are the talent, you are the one out there doing the job. But here's the thing that me and Mike always touch on is that an athlete shows up to game day ready to play. So if we want, and I just, I use law enforcement as an example because we're all from it. If you want to be the guy that shows up to the state of the art gym that has a dietitian provided by the agency, that has a personal trainer because it happens all the time. The nci, they were getting all kinds of a therapist, you know, come and take care of your mental health. Free therapy sessions. If you want to go talk, we're there. We need to run it like, like a, like an athlete would go to work, they go train, they go do their job, they train again, they watch films like this is law enforcement. 2A days should be a thing. You know, you only work, you only work half the days out of the years on average. Go treat your day and get physical fitness in and. But the problem is, is that cops don't show up to work like the athletes show up to the game. Cops show up to work expecting everything. And I always tell people this all the time. Cops are going to find the way to take all the shortcuts and take all the money.

[C]

That's, that's a multi layered problem on both sides. If I win, they will be doing studies years to come about how to flip that agency because that's the exact that you just nailed the way to do it. But it has, it's never going to start from the bottom. It can't, no, it can't come because

[B]

you lose the 23 year old jack guy that you just talked about, he's happy for about two years and then he goes. And then I'm like, I'm out of here. The morale's so down, you can't infiltrate up.

[C]

It's got to start at the top and then go down. And that, what you, you just. Again, second smartest thing you said today, that my, that mindset. Yeah. You know how you create that, you make that facility a million dollar, billion dollar sports entity. Obviously we're not going to pay you that. We don't. Can't afford it. But if you create the standard that, hey, I just took over, I got four years to start. We got two years. Two years. I'm gonna give you some time.

[B]

We're gonna.

[C]

This place is gonna look different. And how do you do that? Well, if I have to go out and get guys from other agencies like the Dodgers go get the best players and the Yankees go get the play, if I have to do that to show everybody that this is what law enforcement should be and there's one place on earth they can look at and go, this is it. That's the way to do it. I don't understand why guys aren't doing it now. These guys get in charge and they have all the power in the world. It's like, well, we'll just get out of shape and I'll keep all these out of shape people around me and we'll just, we'll, we'll lower the standards. We won't do this. We'll take that away. We'll have crisis. I'm not even getting into the spending money and illegal. They do. Let's just talk normal. But yes, nobody went by like, billionaires don't buy a sports team and go, all right, I got, I own the Marlins. Let's bring in all birds. Let's just let everybody stop.

[B]

All to be run by.

[C]

Yeah, Just nobody. I want a guy who's never played baseball before. You're the general manager. You're the coach. You used to, You're a canine guy. You're the coach and you got to manage these athletes.

[B]

And, and here's the thing, too. I don't want to hear from any of the athletes.

[C]

No, I don't hear from them. I don't care what they eat. I don't care if they're on time.

[B]

I don't care if they have high morale. No, no, we don't want them.

[C]

You know what? They got an off day tomorrow. Make them play anyway. Call them in tomorrow. Make them Play anyway. They'll just play on the field by themselves. So that, that mindset, like if you buy, if you're an owner of something, you're gonna feel the best team. Everybody says there's no way to fix it.

[B]

It's too big.

[C]

It's not no mother. We're gonna field the best team and that starts at the top with the best leaders and we bring in the best guys. Simple. I don't understand why it's even a slight problem. I don't even understand which way it's a slight problem. But the problem is, is, is it's chiefs are controlled by council. Council doesn't get it. The sheriff can. I think the sheriffs can do it because they're controlled by the people. They win an election, they're there, let's say, do something illegal. They got carte blanche to do whatever they want. And, and you'd have that hard conversation and you go, hey, dude, this place is going to. Look everybody in this room. You can be here in two years. You won't be because I know about half you're going to be gone. Yeah, but you can. I will give you all an opportunity to be here in two years. This is what we're going to do though. And it starts with me, which starts with me going to the gym, being involved, training, making sure you guys have everything you need to succeed and that everybody around me is on the same part. One little spoke of that wheel is off, you're gone. And we get another guy.

[B]

Look at a lot of people. Andy Frisella, owner of first form.

[A]

Right?

[B]

He runs. He's got his big, huge. Probably. I don't, I don't really understand money that well. It's definitely millions of dollars worth in a building that's like quarter mile long. All he doesn't. His building is immaculate and he doesn't have any house cleaning. He runs such a tight ship that when he's got a state of the art workout facility in there and every dumbbell is centered perfectly, every plate is racked straight perfectly so you can read it. And he's like, I don't have to tell anybody to do this. The standard's already been fired. Yeah, he was like, I fired.

[C]

You don't get a warning. You don't get another chance. You do it right.

[B]

He's like, but the, but the atmosphere that this builds is like. He's like. Is irreplaceable. He's like, you won't find it anymore.

[C]

Because by nature, by nature, most people want that. They don't want go so many places with it. They don't want all the. I was gonna say, you know, there's some people that talk loud on speakerphone in public, right?

[B]

Hey, you're doing it, not me.

[C]

Most people don't want that. Most people want like everybody to like put the weights back the right way or respect everybody else's space or respect every. Most people want that. When you get in a position where that is the standard, just take it to the cob road. You go to work tomorrow and you're like, God, I gotta work with Jones Johnson. These guys slough off their calls, they're gone three hours, they disappear off the map. I tell the sergeant about it once. I'm a blue falcon, I'm a piece of. For wanting to stand. That's not what everybody wants to go to work to. Imagine getting up, driving his facility, going, I'm gonna walk in the gym and it's gonna be immaculate. Everything's gonna be open, all the equipment's gonna be clean. The weights are gonna be where they need them. The twenties are not going to be down the road. That's your weights. The hundreds will be over here. But yeah, most people want that stability, right?

[B]

Does the mystery sets where you're like, oh, I must have missed that, Mike. I just did a set real quick. I had my back turned for like one second.

[C]

I did pull ups, you weren't looking. But yeah, most people want that atmosphere. And that's where I go when people say it just can't be fixed. It can be fixed.

[B]

Let's address something else too. And at any point, if we're talking too much cut in,

[C]

you raise your hand.

[B]

Yeah, you do the scissor. I'm trying to cut in, bro. Is that all right? So it's obviously a police agency is not a corporate building. And it can't be a corp man atmosphere. Obviously ops or maybe, you know, headquarters can be more of a corporate atmosphere because of the amount of civilians that work there. Upper echelon brass. And I get that. But the day to day workplaces between cops and I'll lump firefighters in this too. And the military handles itself so you don't have to worry about it. You're you, you're asking people to be of a warrior mindset and a warrior warrior code. And when you deal with people in law enforcement now, it used to be like this in the 90s, you go, go meet me out back, dude. Take off your belt. You fist fight it out. That was way before my time. But there's so many in law enforcement that use their rank or their. Or their social status there, and they make work miserable. And you can't go like, do you talk me like that? I'll knock you the out. Like, you can't do that. You'll. You're gone. So they want you to be of a warrior mindset, but you can't handle things like warriors. Go to the infantry in the army and the Marine Corps dudes will settle it. Now, they might use combatives to settle it in a more controlled environment, but platoon sarge is taking them down here. Johnson and Tim, you guys are rolling, dude. You guys keep talking. I don't want to hear it anymore. Or, you know, the E4s, take them out there on Friday night and be like, yo, fist fight it out, dude. We're done with it. Like, you can't do that in law enforcement. The second you even threaten to whoop somebody's ass, you create a hostile work environment because they want to play the corporate side.

[C]

You can't have Fight Club.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

You really can't. But that's the conundrum that was in

[C]

my list of things.

[B]

Cross that off.

[C]

Damn it.

[A]

I mean, we can roll. You know what I mean? Yeah, there. There. There's a gym, there's a mat. You got an issue with somebody, go roll it out.

[C]

I like that we have two guys scheduled for Friday off. We can only give one guy

[B]

we'll

[C]

see in the mat room on Friday.

[B]

But it's an outfit.

[A]

It happened. It still happens in the infantry. Don't get it twisted. I only retired 2023. So like, even when I left, like, we were. I was mortar platoon siren, and we had guys that.

[B]

You got 11. Are you 11, Chuck?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Two of you? Two of you in the same room.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't even bother telling people what it is because they're like, no, I

[A]

just say, it's a glorified infantry. I can do both jobs.

[B]

Suck it. Click. No, but yeah, dude, you were a platoon sergeant in the infantry and that stuff. I mean, I guess I'm sure it's changed since I got out 2012, but. But I mean, I would. I would have 12 or staff sergeants. Like, look at me. I had a big mouth like, I'll put you through that wall, private. I was like, they're big dudes, and I believe they would did it because they had like five deployments, two DUIs, three divorces. So they have really much to lose,

[A]

but they got a lot of street cred.

[B]

But I Mean like. But just a sanctioned combatives way of like alphas handling alpha warriors handling warrior. You're gonna. Ever since the dawn of time when there was guys fighting in battle, their personalities are gonna clash and they're gonna like they're wolves man. They're gonna at each other and cops want to sit here and be this paramilitary lifestyle. Yeah, but they're not full of dude.

[A]

But they're not. I would say that. I mean spending 20 years in the army and then I'm going, I'm probably like 11 months total combined as a cop. Like it's nothing like the military at all. Not the brotherhood. Not like it was a little disappointing at first. I. I came to, you know, to conclusion that I just need to accept it because I still want to provide. Like I feel like I have a purpose still in life. I'm young, I'm 42. I love being a cop. Definitely not doing it for the money, I promise you that. But it's the, the brotherhood, the tightness, all that stuff. It's not the same. And I don't think it ever will be. Because everybody in law enforcement is looking to get that next promotion.

[C]

Yeah, there is some places I just,

[B]

I keep or that next hoping they're good. I just wanted real quick people say the promotion that also is the same mindset as the guy that wants to get the specialty unit.

[A]

Right?

[B]

That's that.

[A]

I mean, yeah, same mindset, same thing.

[B]

He will change. You do whatever it takes to get that. And it's a shame.

[C]

Yeah, you're right. Most of them change when they get it. And that's what we. That's. That's part of the problem is wanting. So I have enough fails to and successes back and forth that I have. I respect things much more. And I remember when I wanted to be a sergeant, right. I wanted to be because it was cool to get promoted, right. I didn't, I didn't get promoted till year was it 20, 22, 21. So 18, 17 years in. Took me a while. But the day I got promoted, I remember looking at myself going deserve. You deserved it. Like at this moment right here, you did everything right five years ago, six years ago, you wouldn't have deserved it. You were just still kind of crazy street cop doing whatever, whatever. You deserved it. Most people looking to get promoted, like you just said, don't really deserve it. They want want it after three years, four years. They think just showing up every day doing some bare minimum or getting by is it. And you, you can, I know you can Name every sergeant you had.

[B]

That was great.

[C]

I don't have to do it now, but there's got. If you had any, there's like one or two. There you go. That's what I'm saying. But you know them anything. He's none of these guys, you know, there's guys that you. My. The first sergeant I went for at the sheriff's office was. Dude, he was great. He was a look right out of full metal jacket drill sergeant. He just. There was no problems on the shift. You just knew there wasn't gonna be because he's in charge. And it's like, you know, there's not gonna be problems. I can name the handful of guys I worked for where I went. We didn't have any problems on this shift because there was a leader and he did it right. He was out on the street. He was in your fate. He got things done. And then you watched this softing. Softening of law enforcement, the college degree program. And we're getting kids out in these two year programs out of college. They kind of got away from the military thing. And then you watch guys in charge and you're like, what you want to. You want us to do what? Like, that's the dumbest thing I've heard. But you can't say anything. And it's just like, okay, we'll do that.

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And once somebody once told me that a good indicator of when you are ready to for promotion. And I'm talking rank, I'm not talking anything lateral. I mean up in rank where you're a supervisor and a leader, as when other people are suggesting it to you, you. And you're like, I never really like wanted that, that you would be the perfect leader. If you have multiple people saying, dude, you should go out, you should trap for sergeant, dude, you should run for sheriff. Like that. That's when you know you possess the qualities. Not when you think, I want to do this because you only want to do it for yourself. I'm not saying there's got guys out there that want to lead for the right reasons, but majority that goes around the horn.

[C]

When military guy walks up and says, you should go to Ranger school. Yeah, I think you're, you know, you're ready for Ranger or swat. You know, swat. The guys will come up and say, hey man, we've been watching. You know, you think about trying out. You want to, you know, maybe born that. Because it's those situations, you're not taking anybody's rank, right? You're just becoming a Ranger. You're becoming a swagger. No one's gonna walk around and go, hey, hey, you should test for sergeant. Take my spot like no other cops. It doesn't happen because there's such a competitive. But it's not even competitive. It's just.

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It's crazy because it's a hard word

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to even figure out.

[B]

Where I come from, they couldn't fill a supervising roles. Nobody wanted it too much or it was too big of an agency. They couldn't keep up. Obviously, they're going to take care of captain's lieutenants first. Those have to be filled. So then everybody's being pulled up and corporal and sergeant. There was always vacancies because they're just the good. The people that needed to do it were like, absolutely not. I would never. I barely. I don't even know if I'm going to be a cop in five years. I'm definitely not gonna. Because at the end of the day, too, when you're a supervisor, super fun, awesome times usually over, you start, you. You step away. You know, our supervisor is funny. We'd all be running code, and I'd be like, whose motherfucker's not running code right now? And I'd go buy. It's a supervisor. And because they're. They're trying to orchestrate being on the computer, going to a hot call, they. They slow roll while all the. Are blowing their doors, all that.

[C]

Yeah, you get sucked into those meetings and you get just demoralized by what the people above you are thinking or saying. You're like, how do I go tell the guys that we have to, like, wear pink shoes tomorrow because of something? Like, you're just like, this doesn't make any sense. And I have to go sell this to a bunch of dudes that are out here busting around.

[B]

Me too.

[C]

Yeah. They're gonna be like, oh, company, man. I'm like, I'm sorry, man. You can't. You can't use capital letters ever in another email. Like, it bothers. It pisses somebody off. Like, I can't let you do it anymore. It's like, what? Like, yeah, man, that's.

[B]

That's it. Or.

[C]

Or delivering the message that, hey, you can't go to any training the rest of the year because we're broke.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What do you mean we're broke?

[B]

That's terrible.

[C]

Somebody at the top's not doing their job if we're broke.

[B]

But, Serge, can I pay for my own wet. No, because we don't have any vacation. You can't go you literally cannot go to.

[C]

You can do those, show up tomorrow morning at 5:00am at briefing and do your shift. But we appreciate it, man. So.

[B]

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Sounds like a good politician there. I. I promise. Yeah I talked about it's gonna happen guys. I promise.

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I've been busy life life is busy.

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At one. At any point when you were gambling at this casino did you think about your website or no?

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Yeah, I was thinking. I was thinking if I hit this jackpot I'll have to. I could quit all of it. I could quit all of it. I'm never coming back. I watched the. Does they have the bonuses they have the mega which is was 650 grand for the royal flush. The minor was 53000 for the straight flush and then the. The little one is the four of a kind. It usually starts over at 1400. Within 10 minutes somebody hit for three 400 on the miner and then 10 minutes later somebody hit the $53,000 mega.

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Where are you at?

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Hard Rock Seminole. I was like you gotta be kidding me.

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One of those days.

[C]

Yeah, I mean I keep quiet.

[B]

You think that some people are just blessed that they're very lucky or is there actually a lot of skill in.

[A]

No, I think there's a system.

[C]

No, not in. Not against that.

[B]

Have you ever seen people that just always.

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You're like how does I think. I think it's. I guess people are luckier statistically like poker room like the actual hold them against other players. There's a lot of skill that goes into that those floor games like that ultimate you're delta cards and you have it like you either bad or not. There's no real skill.

[A]

I was talking more about the slots. I think. I think there's a system to the slots to where like I. I think people just like watch it the no, they're like this mission is about to hit and they get up and they're like my turn because I, I

[C]

Last Saturday night, Saturday night I. I had a king of diamonds in my hand and the flock came Ace, queen, jack of diamonds. And I looked at it and it wasn't the mega because you have to flop it to get to 650 grand. But the royal flush pays at 50 bets. It would have paid just on that bed alone and played 24, 25.

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25 grand.

[C]

Yeah. So I was sitting there, and then the next two cards come. Obviously it didn't hit or we'd be talking about that, but, you know, it's just. It's statistics and staying in the game and. And it's luck, dude. There's really no skill to those four games. Blackjack, there's a little skill like three card poker, ultimate hold them. You either have the cards, you don't really have to think about it.

[B]

Well, I just got corrected. Not corrected, but I was calling Frank by his government name, and he's known as. Is it Bibu? Bebo B E, B O. Baba.

[C]

Yeah, he's got his Instagram name.

[B]

His Instagram name?

[C]

Yeah.

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He was like, whoa, why are you calling me by my real name? I'm like, I don't know. It's all over your Instagram, too. But his Instagram's Bebo Actual. B E B O. Underscore actual. Get to know a little bit about you.

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He's one of those guys I talked to a million times. But you really know him. Talk to one Instagram, you don't know. Yeah, unfortunately, it happens a lot. Like, it just. I was. Oh, dude. I was in. Before we get to him, Hard Rock. I'm sitting there. This has to do with the story. Go on. I'm sitting there eating, and I hear big dog, and I'm like, dude smacks him in the back. It was one of the dudes from South Carolina at Hard Rock. Like, randomly just. I'm like, hey, what's up, bro?

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Coastal hitter, dude.

[C]

Yeah, one of those dudes. So it's like, I'm in the middle of South Florida, my business, eating a piece of chicken, and here comes dude. So cool.

[B]

Nice. You're a celebrity.

[C]

No. No.

[B]

Because of this?

[C]

No, because of seeing them up there.

[B]

All right, so you started your career in the Army. How old were you when you joined? Just turned 19 at what year?

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2003.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Okay. And you, you deployed?

[A]

Yeah, I got two deployments. I did Iraq and Afghanistan.

[B]

Really? Yeah. When'd you go to Iraq?

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2007.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That was when it was still hot.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then you went to Afghanistan when?

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2011.

[B]

So you had, like, when you initially joined, you had four years before you deployed?

[A]

Yeah, so I. My. When I came in the army, it was a Little different because I didn't know how to speak English so I had to go.

[B]

I'd love to bring you on, son, but.

[A]

So Puerto Rico has, they have this program, it's just like you take the ads that even if you don't score above a 31, like because of the language barrier, they'll send you to Lachlan els over there and you go to language school and you, you still haven't gone to like basic training or anything. That's like the initial of your career. But you, you basically active. They teach you grammar and speaking. I, I'll say this, like my accent went away as time went, not when I graduated.

[C]

Please speak better English than Tyler.

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So yeah, you go there, you have to test out. Basically you have to have two English test pass like 70, I think it's 70, 75, don't remember but you have to have a C average of two consecutive tests. So like if you score a 71 day and then the next week you score a 60, you start all over again.

[B]

Yeah, so it was the. Now let me ask you this. It was during, it was right before the surge, but we were at war where they kind of pushing people through language school or was it strict?

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No, you still had to score 70%, two tests back to back.

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Now they're pushing women through ranger school, so anything's possible but. All right, so what made you pick the infantry?

[A]

So when I came in the army that's what I wanted to do. And in my head, being ignorant 19 year old, everybody's infantry in the army, right. So I did that. And when I did my two tests back to back the career counselor at the English as a second language, you had to take the ASBEV again.

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And then, oh, after the language, after

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the language you have to take the aspect again. And then from there they tell you, hey, you're going to be this.

[B]

So you don't son, you're retarded. We thought it was a language barrier

[A]

at this time I have like, I had no recollection, no idea of like, yeah, you can pick whatever mos you want. Everybody wants infantry in my mind. That's what I thought. So the recruiter is like, oh, you're gonna be this. And ended up being like a funeral electronic system repair.

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Ye.

[B]

And you had no choice for real?

[A]

Yeah, I did. I didn't think I had a choice,

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but I didn't know they don't give you representation.

[A]

Yeah, I still, I still ignorant, you know, like I still don't understand the language completely. So I'M like, yeah, sure, okay, whatever. So I signed the paperwork and then obviously once I went in the army, went to basic, did all that and then I understood like, oh, I can pick like what I want to do. And I started understanding the system then it's Russia. Yeah, I, I started, you know, wanting to do what I wanted. And it was kind of weird because my first deployment or my first duty station was Germany. And when I, yeah, I got to Germany, I was there for two and a half years. And then from Germany I went to Hood and I was like, all right, it's time to reenlist. I'm going to change to be an infantry. As I got the hood, I got put in the recovery platoon and we deploy like months later to Iraq.

[B]

So as a what, what was your job?

[A]

Well, I was a fuel electronic system repair. It's a, it's a job that's been faded out a long time ago. But then they put me in the recovery platoon. What's that like id Explosion recovery. Like the guys we really don't need going to pick up, going to pick up like blown up vehicles and stuff.

[B]

We said, you said we're getting rid of these mls. Okay, them.

[A]

So, so we, I deployed, went to Iraq originally. It was supposed to be a nine month deployment. And they're like, oh yeah, no, we're gonna get extended. And so we got extended to 12 months and then we got extended again 15 months.

[C]

Jesus.

[A]

So we spent 15 months in Iraq. I took my R and R, like

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at the beginning of my 15 months in Iraq. Dude.

[C]

Yeah.

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Total, total, like back to back like in a row.

[B]

And that was what year was, did that?

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2007.

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Okay. Yeah, because so when I went to my unit, they had, they had done a 15 month deployment in Samara, Iraq. They were all supposed to get out when they got home. They all got, I got stop loss and told they had to stay in for another deployment. That was a ruthless bunch. It was the most ruthless bunch of E4s I've ever met. They hated everything, everything.

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Yeah, we got stop loss. And then there was like, well, because you got stop loss, you have the opportunity, it doesn't matter what MOS you are to reclass or re enlist really like a twenty two thousand dollar bonus. I was like, it, it's like, either

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take it or leave it as if

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it was another year. I'll take it. So I did that. But in that deployment is when I first got blown up. Because all we did was, yes, I was support mos. However, we were going out the wire, picking up blown up vehicles. So we were actually just providing security for kbr because at that time, obviously the surgeon, everything. The KBR contracting was like booming.

[B]

Oh.

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So all we did was provide security for these KBR contractors.

[B]

Fat ass is eating candy. He's covered, dude. He was doing a jimmy.

[C]

It was like this chewing gum can't. You got three vets here in America and you can't chew gum in America. You went there and blew up for nothing. Ma', am. There was no reason for you to go. We could just stay.

[B]

So you're. You re enlist. Did you re enlist for infantry then?

[A]

No, not while I was deployed. I was already deployed, so I stayed in my. The only way I could.

[B]

You had it in contract?

[A]

Yeah. No, the bonus, like it was there. So I kind of went a little smart and I went for the money instead of reclassing. So then when I went to. When I got back from. For Hood, I went to for Irwin. And then for Irwin, I got a really nice gig as the horse detachment. So basically I did was play with horses. I went out to the box.

[C]

I never get that lucky.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I had a pretty unique career. I. I was in the. In the stables. And all we did was.

[B]

They call it over there the horse attachment. You're in the stables?

[A]

In the stables.

[B]

Some guys are in the trenches.

[C]

Some guys are in the stables. All right, man.

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All we did was do like box. Like we would provide, like we would dress as Pakistanis and ride around on the horses on the box.

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You're not with me?

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No, I'm. Oh, you were the box. You were up four.

[B]

You up?

[A]

Yeah, we did. We did up for. In horses.

[B]

Okay. What. What base was this at?

[A]

Aan.

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Okay. All right.

[A]

And then we also did like this color guard, parades and ceremonies and all that stuff. But. And then from there I was like, all right, I have enough of this. I need to go in the infantry. So I was like I said, smart enough to change moss and went infantry. I was E5 promotable at the time. And I went to Banning and got injected in week two of basic training.

[B]

Holy. They couldn't even like, get you through week nine.

[A]

No, the next cycle for.

[B]

Because 11 Charlie did you. They. They selected you for that?

[A]

Yeah. It's the only infantry job that was available at the time.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I believe that.

[A]

Yeah. So I went in as 11 Charlie and I got injected week two. So then I did all the o set and. And everything with. With the dudes. And then I went from there.

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I went to Stuart now mind you guys, in case you don't know what OSUT is and stuff, essentially he went through. He went through army basic training once, went to his job training then after that, and because combat MOS is at that time, I believe it's still the same. They call it one stop unit training. They send you to one basic training where you learn basic training values, but they incorporate your job and with it. So infantry OSA with like 16, 17 weeks long or something like that. And my man had to go to week two and do all of that again.

[A]

Yeah. As a E5 promotable, did you tell

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the horse stable stories? You leave that one out?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Week two, basic training, all over.

[A]

Yeah, bro, it was terrible.

[C]

They don't treat you any different?

[A]

Nope. No, no. At that time they didn't. Now they. Now they're, you know, back up. Like if you have some rank or whatever and you're reclassing, like you get your own prior barracks. But yeah, in the infantry. No, you know, what was my room, it was literally wall lockers, and that was my little corner. That was my. That was my room.

[B]

Yeah. In 2027, we had a guy come like the last four weeks of or something like that, and he had the same thing. He was. He was in our bay.

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Yeah.

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But he was off in the corner.

[C]

So they called it. Because you're an E5 promoter. They called it your own.

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Yeah.

[C]

And they just.

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They just. All they did is bus me out.

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Still getting woken up at 2am yeah.

[A]

Yeah. He's still hearing all these heads.

[C]

Awesome.

[B]

Asking you a million questions all night.

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Yeah.

[C]

I can't imagine doing it twice, dude.

[A]

Oh, dude. I mean, it is what it is. I really wanted.

[C]

Yeah, I get it, I get it. I'm glad.

[B]

So you. So you graduate? Oh, set for infantry.

[A]

Yep. Went to Stewart.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then in Stuart, we got attached to the third group and we got deployed to Afghanistan.

[B]

As an. As an infantry guy. Yeah. What the.

[A]

So basically the mortar platoon, bro. I was a brand new 11 Charlie. Just got pinned E6 have like, I

[B]

have very minimal sex and sergeant.

[A]

At that time, I was a platoon sergeant. When I got there, I was a section sergeant. But then the platoon PCs, it was me and I was like, I mean, I know how to lead soldiers, but this job, I'm gonna have to make a couple phone calls.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So. And then shortly after that, we came down on orders to go to Afghanistan. And then we were attached to third group. We were gonna do know, vso, village stability operations. So basically like they were doing. Creating White space for organic units or, you know, conventional units to. To operate. So they would go in, in areas and districts that never been touched before, create the white space and book it. Right. And then we were just security. So my platoon. My platoon got disbanded completely. The whole mortar platoon got disbanded. And then what they did is they built super squads. You had a full infantry squad and you added a mortar, a fister, a cook, and a medic to it. And a mechanic. And a mechanic.

[B]

Wow. So you guys were like a mini. A team.

[A]

Like a mini oda.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So, okay, and then, and then that's basically what village. We were VSOA when we were attached to two different ODA groups out there. You know, when I got to country, I didn't have a job because I was the mortar platoon sergeant. So first time I was like, hey, you're just going to take over hac? Well, two weeks into country vso, a squat leader who was a Bravo decided that he didn't want to go out the wire. He didn't want to do this, he wanted to do that. So last thing he did, he was monitoring one of the dudes in the 50 cal and the guy was clearing the 50 cal and, and the ND a shot. And the team sergeant for the ODA got shrapnel right on his neck almost to his jugular. And first sergeant pulled that dude out and was like, hey, you said you wanted to go be a Bravo. I was like, yeah, give me the. Out of the talk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's like, you're let me. You're getting. Get all your together Tomorrow morning, there's a bird gonna be here, pick you up and take you over there to shame water. I was like, bet.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

I got there, bro, the dudes were disgruntled. They didn't like, obviously they had this piece of e cigs that didn't want to go that would send everybody, but he wouldn't go on missions with the dudes and, you know, not really leading how I was supposed to. And I was able to turn around the team and you can talk to any of those guys, man, they, they were like, yeah, it was, it was. And we got into some out there with, with our group. We, we went into some provinces and some stuff that was never been touched by conventional forces or any, any forces. And yeah, it was rough. It was rough, but I mean, we made it work. And then I brought everybody home, so. But that was like my first taste, as in, like, I didn't do 11 Charlie stuff. I just did 11 Bravo. So every mission that came out, I would go out and even the team stars like, nah, you can stay. And I'm like, nah, my guys are going. I'm going good. Like, I'm not.

[C]

Did you get it should be.

[B]

Did you get into canines while you're in the military? No, no.

[A]

My mom started in 74. Working dogs.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[A]

So my mom, she was the police in Puerto Rico. She was the police trainer and assessor of the Mountain Police Department. She's actually the one who built that unit. Came out to the States. This is before I went in the army, Came out to the stage, brought like 200 horses, brought them back to Puerto Rico and then created Mount Mount Police stations all around the island. I grew up with horses.

[B]

I didn't know that was a thing in Puerto Rico.

[A]

Yeah, well, the beach, I see lots

[B]

of tourist horse photos, but never.

[A]

Yeah, so. And ended up being like 22 or 23 stations all around the island. Then I would travel with my mom and she would do the. The courses for. For all the. The police officers. So I grew up in the. My mom worked for the police 25 years as a civilian, but trainer. And then behind the scenes of the canine, she was also involved a little bit, but she had working dogs her whole life, contracting dogs. So you know how we have, like, security companies and like, security guards in places. Back in the day, had a pair

[B]

of dogs, and you got them let the man eaters loose.

[A]

Yeah, the man eaters. And she would just drop them off. And then throughout, like the night, starting at like four in the morning, she would start picking them up.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And as soon as the business closed, drop them off. Like, there was a wooden shed divided with like, guillotine doors. And like the employees, when they closed shop, they would let them out and they would go out.

[B]

So they're like junkyard dogs.

[A]

They are.

[B]

That's essential.

[A]

That's exactly what they were.

[B]

I mean, nowadays, I don't think that in the States that's a liability waiting to happen.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we're talking about 20. Yeah, 20. Almost 30 years ago.

[C]

Yeah, but back when people didn't break in the junkyard.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The catalytic converters were safe.

[B]

And if you did, no one cared that you got bit by a dog. You weren't able to sue people.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's how I got into dogs. I just got into dogs because of my mom. Like, I was a little kid and I grew up in it.

[B]

When did you start law enforcement?

[A]

20, 23.

[B]

Okay. All right. Yeah.

[A]

Because I did 20 years in the army.

[B]

That's right. Okay.

[A]

So, yeah, I'm a baby cop.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Do you do. Do you do any. Do you keep your businesses, like, because obviously your businesses are canine centered.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Do you offer. Do you work with. Trying to phrase this correctly. Do you keep cop work at your home agency? Do you just keep it cop work simple and then you go out elsewhere to train?

[A]

I do both.

[B]

You do both.

[A]

Yeah. So right now I'm the civilian trainer for my agency. Like, I'm not in canine in my agency, but I am the civilian trainer for them, which I was before I became a cop with them and they recruited me.

[B]

Oh, can we. And are you okay with talking about that?

[A]

What.

[B]

You know, like, what you came in as? Because you're definitely your retired military with a lot of assets. So one of the things me and Mike have talked about is when somebody brings a lot of value. Like if you work at Google, right. And you worked at Microsoft for 25 years. And we were like, hey, we got. We got this guy's application. He worked at Microsoft for 25 years, was sort of an entry level. No, that's not what you do. You don't do that. Yeah, that. So why can't government work? Like, do you agree? Like, if you had, like, let's say this. I've seen this happen, and it would cause a lot of controversy. A guy retired from the military.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He was a black belt, bjj, and an agency hired him as sworn, went through the academy and immediately started as a BJJ instructor at training.

[C]

No problem.

[B]

No problem. No. Everybody was so.

[A]

Well, it happened to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because when I went to Anderson County, I was hired as a canine. Yeah. And I went to the academy.

[B]

Dude.

[C]

Flipped out a bit, bro.

[A]

I went. I went to the academy. I did my fto when I was about to go into my last phase, Phase six, shadow phase. I was explaining to Tyler earlier, but, like, I went. I got to some, like, custody stuff, and I had to go to court and I had to do all this stuff. So I was just like, I don't have time. I really don't have time. I just retired. I don't have time. I gotta handle my kids. It's my life. So I couldn't make one of the mandatory hr, like incoming briefs or whatever. And, like, the department lost his. And I was like, I'm just resign. Like, so then. But when I got there, when I got to the agency, I got my canine car, which it was my tahoe that I was taking to the academy and after the academy is what I was using. It was my take home car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We've already discussed leasing my personal dog as a canine because my dog as it is right now, it's more trained than probably 90 of the actual canines that are out. So everything was set in place for me to go straight into canine after fto.

[B]

And did you, how did you just, how did you grease this wheel? How did you get this hookup? Just something like.

[A]

Well, because I used to do seminars and workshops for this agency.

[C]

Yeah, he was recruited, so it's not like a hookup. That makes sense.

[A]

Oh, no. But everybody lost their. But three years later they're still losing her job.

[C]

But that, that's my point of changing the whole thing. So I'm flip, I'm flipping the whole script. I'm calling him and being like, hey, dude, I won. I want you here. I'm gonna call another guy. Hey, I want you here. That's what we should do. And if the, if the guys who are losing their obviously aren't performing because if you're doing your job correctly, you're

[B]

not intimidating or you're just not qualified for the job. But that's why you had five years on patrol. I love it. Dude, you're grinding. You have aspirations for canine. I love it. You're grinding, but you're not qualified for the job. As opposed to somebody who has 20 years in the military and also is an expertise on canine, he's more qualified than you. And of course they're doing well. I've been working the road for five years, unfortunately. It's just that you can't run a sustainable business without doing it.

[C]

Here's where I sell it. I bring you in and I make you, you've never worked at our agency. I make you the canine sergeant. That's going to piss off every guy in the canine unit. Right, but what am I doing for the next 10, 15 years of my canine unit? I'm bringing in a guy, top guy experience. He's going to train all those guys under him that's going to create the best canine unit. And then from there, that 25, 26 year old guy who we let in the unit that's young and he gets in when you're gone. He has been around these guys. Now I can bring him to your position and it just starts the rollover process of absolutely. What does it matter if a guy's been a subpar guy's been at the agency for five years and he's done half ass work, but he's put the time in. What did he put the time in if he just was mediocre? And now he deserves it. When I got this guy sitting the state away and I can call him and go, hey, dude, I got an opening. I want to change the entire makeup at this agency. I want to bring home run hitters into every specialty unit as the new bosses. And, and then you're going to create leaders and then you're going to create a 10 year plan where everyone is a superstar. That, that makes sense to me. But no, I've been here 12 years. I've sat under this same tree for 12 years, eating at the same Chipotle, blowing off these calls. I put my time in. I deserve it. No, you don't deserve it. He deserves it. And he can change the entire makeup of an entire unit in a five year, six year plan where the whole thing is full of home run hitters. Why wouldn't you want that? Why wouldn't you want that?

[B]

When the K9 unit is not effective and it's not ran properly, you're not going to get the, the, the sheriff or the chief is not going to allocate funding to it.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

When you get a unit that's effective and you got a representative going, hey, this is how, this is how we've changed. This is the, the stats. This is, we need this, we need two more handlers. And here's why. You got two street crimes units here and here. They put, you know, it's like, if you come to me, I'm like, all right, next year I'm gonna get you that money.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's.

[B]

And that's two more canine spots.

[A]

Here's the thing, here's the thing. Like really, let's, let's talk about being a canine handler. Like, what is a canine handler? It's just a guy that went to a course who got certified. You're not a canine trainer, you're not a behaviorist. You don't know dogs like that. You just know how to operate the machine. That's, that's really what a canine is, driving a car.

[C]

That's how to drive it.

[A]

That's really what I. Canine handler. Yes, but you get somebody that's been doing sport, has, competing in national level, has been raced around, working dogs, has known what dog behavior. Canon behavior is working that dog in front of you and being able to read that dog. That's a trainer.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

And then, but your ability and Then you're.

[A]

And then the tactical ability of the infantry, right?

[C]

Then you come to me, though. If I'm, if I'm the sheriff and I bring you in and you're there a year, two years, you can come to me with all that experience and go, those are your two guys that can do my job. They're, they're, they're gonna be there. One, those guys are gonna do the, they're gonna do a good job or that guy's got to go. We need to know it. Whatever you tell me, though, but you're gonna look at me and I say, hey, man, you probably got five years left. I know you want to go enjoy your life. You're, you're, you're getting up there.

[B]

You're good.

[C]

Who, who are my next two? And you go, those two right there. And I know it because I have the experience. I've been around them. I know how they think. Great, get me them to your level. Now I got two of them. And then I pull them aside one day and go. One day you'll be replaced. He's leaving, he's leaving in another year. You're my two guys. I need you to find your five, six year replacement that's gonna, when you guys are ready to move on, you're gonna be a lieutenant. I need to fill that. I mean, I'm, I'm saying this out loud, and it's the first time I've ever thought about it like that. But it's simple.

[A]

It's simple. It's very simple.

[C]

Yeah. So it's like, why? And I can do that in, I can do that in Free Crime, swat. I can do that with school. Everything, everything can be done that way. Where I go, okay, but you can't.

[B]

Okay, I've ever heard Mikey talk about school, resources, but you can.

[C]

No, you can't. And, but you can't just go to. And my, my wife says this a lot, and I agree with her. When a guy just rattles off that he has X amount of years, that doesn't mean anything to me. Because she has the famous quote of, you're a, you're a one year cop 25 times. You never got the experience past the experience or mindset of a one year comp. You, you peaked at a one year comp. You just did it over 25 times in that 25 years. You have no real experience. You're not good leader. You don't really handle calls well. You're lazy, you're disgruntled, you're out of Shape. You are not a 25 year cop. You're a one year cop 20, 25 times. Whereas I can look at a guy and have this argument of time. I did 25 years. Well, you're keep going. I need you to qualify that with some more things. Right. I can meet a three year guy that I go, I'll go to war with that dude. He makes great decisions, he's in shape, he's critical thinking skills. His officer safety is high. And you got 25 years and you can't clear a building without, you know, tripping attitude.

[B]

I like that. I like that three year guys. I like his attitude. The guy with 20 years, he's got a attitude.

[C]

But if you can bring in. That's my whole concept of law enforcement. If I can bring in superstars and laterals and that just creates an environment like don't get, don't get replaced. Like you want, you want to come up and come through this agency and you don't want me to bring in. In five years ago. Hey man, you're all decent, decent handlers. But none of you has peaked as like a leader. And I got this guy leaving. So I'm gonna call and say, okay now fine. If you got to get me a guy from California, you got to get me a guy from Texas. Find the guy, you know, that's a little younger than you that wants to do. And you've already vetted. That's, that's gonna build an absolute.

[B]

Because who's gonna know the canine, the canine industry better than your canine guy? I know the con. What, what, what conference you got to go to to make that happen? I got one here, here, here. All right, go like just network. Start finding.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Set up a booth, you know, put, put the sheriff's office stuff or the police agency on there and go see if you can give me the best. Can I down there. Yeah.

[C]

There's loyalty to the agency, which I get, get we like because I think a lot of people are going to twist my words that I don't want to keep the homegrown guys and I don't want to, I want to screw the guys that work there. That's not the case. Another reason a lot of guys get into canine and this is just my agency. I don't know, you're new in the agencies, but they put their time in. That means they went to training, they caught the dogs on the sleeve. That doesn't make them a handler. That doesn't make them a good cop. But they'll promote guys within I've seen it happen in my agency. Well, he put his time in. It's like. So he showed up on a day off. On a day off because he wanted something. He didn't put in any more time in the gym. He didn't put any more time learning case law. He didn't put any more time and learn to be a cop. He just showed up and caught dogs on his sleeve for five years. So he's next for some reason.

[B]

That is.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

That's the.

[C]

That's how it goes, right? That's how the guy gets it.

[A]

It's crazy, because this is exactly what I just lived through, like, probably four months ago. Like, I was getting roasted on social media by these clowns because I was never a cop and I was never a Canaan handler and this and that. And I'm like, dude, are you. Like, I. I am tactically sound. I mean, I can clear a building better than a good percentage. I'm not saying everybody, but I have good officer safety, and I have a lot of knowledge. Not to toot my own horn, but I do have a knowledge. Like, I do have a lot of knowledge on canine training and behavior, and I've competed in national levels. I've won nationals with my dog. You know, the fact that I didn't do my two years in patrol and go to.

[C]

Go to Canaan, man, you didn't and complain for two years. You didn't blow off calls for two years. You didn't set your goal at canine and ignore everything else about law enforcement for two years. Yeah, but you're not a good guy. You know, you're not the right guy for the job.

[B]

But also, you wouldn't. I mean, I would hope not, but you don't seem like you are. You're not the guy that's going to sit there and teach classes on patrol tactics. That's not your route. I didn't do. I. I did not do patrol.

[A]

And that's the thing. I do canine.

[C]

But they would argue. That's the thing. They would argue that. Anyway, though, they brought in a regular cop and said, hey, this guy's the greatest cop ever. He's a street cop. He's been doing this 10 years. Somewhere they're gonna go, well, he didn't put his time in here. He didn't do his two years on patrol here. And I understand some of it, but I don't. Because my job. The job isn't to create a bunch of people that. The job is to protect those citizens. The job is to protect people from crime. You don't go, Well, I got five guys that really shouldn't be promoted. They're really not that good. They're average at best. But they've been here for eight years. And this guy just got here a year ago. He's already got 20 years military experience, man. I can't really put him in canine sergeant, can I? That would be terrible. I'm gonna give it to this guy. But because he went to the barbecue three years in a row, he gave me a thousand dollar check. I, I think he's probably the best. And then what does that do to you? He starts treating you like because he knows yours doesn't make sense. They just did it. They just did it at our agency. I saw there's a. They did it again. They did the same thing. They gave it to somebody who didn't belong. Didn't belong in there. The position. Because of politics and longevity. I just go, you just killed an entire unit forever. How long? Everybody goes, we know that guy's not the right guy. We all know it. But he got it. So now we're stuck with him. And, and that just Morales shot. And you can make mistakes too. Because I could go, maybe I bring in. Maybe it just doesn't work either. And I go, hey, man, it just didn't work. Like for. And. But if we're all on the same page, it wouldn't be a problem. But when politics and friendship and he put his time in. What is his time? He, he caught a dog on a sleeve with no experience for eight months.

[A]

He was a bite dummy.

[C]

He was a bite dummy for eight months. So that means he's. And that's part of it?

[B]

Yes. You're talking about the. At. Paying your dues is only one aspect. One aspect of a. It's a, it's one layer of a sandwich, right? Like you got to pay your dues, but it's, it can't be the whole thing because you can't offer. I'm just gonna be the bike guy. You got to offer lots of other things. Being the bike guy is just paying your dues on top of the knowledge.

[C]

I'm gonna ask you this.

[A]

And that ruined dogs. Anyways, just so you know how much

[C]

this is where I want to go with this. I'm. I'm a dummy. I, I looks easy, right? You just go bite them, whatever them cool words you guys yell in German, but in your own words. What level of commitment, personal time and agency time does it really take? If I'm A cop. And I want to be a cane officer. What am I really looking at as far as realistic amount of hours in a day or time that I'm to be good? To be good. Not just be.

[B]

Not just.

[C]

Yeah, I want to be a top tier canine hander. What does my life look like?

[A]

Like, so honestly, in order for you to get your dog into like in tune, in sync with your, with the stack, whatever, being able to integrate your dog into other like environments with other agencies, you want to be able to have control with that dog. And that control is not going to come from one session a week. Like that control is going to come from at least three times a week of practicing obedience and practicing everything. Yeah. Right now I run a collective group at my place and we have two different counties and two departments, two municipalities that they come out and they work with me every week. Constantly.

[B]

Constantly.

[A]

And even then, that's only once a week. The improvement from going of doing their little training to now training and working with me. I just posted it not too long ago. We had a dog that had like three failed deployments, like completely failed. And then after working with me for like two months, the dog just did a track and a bite. Super clean. Nothing can be. The dog was secure on the bite, everything was great. And that's just him working with the dog consistently every day, or I mean every week, once a day with me. And this was before they even like, they, they weren't really working. They just did whatever they knew and then they reach out and here we are. Now the dog has a very nice successful apprehension and that's just minimum one day.

[C]

So let me ask you this.

[B]

I'm.

[C]

I'm interviewing you, right? I'm interview position. So, okay, our typical agency. This is what I see. You have one canine training a day, Right. A week.

[A]

A week.

[C]

Every Wednesday, three or four hours of that is Sunny's barbecue or they all go to eat.

[B]

Right, Right.

[C]

It's normal. Right.

[A]

The typical.

[B]

Okay, typical.

[C]

So let me say that I want to be efficient. So you mentioned three or four days per week. Or three days a week. So what if I, as this boss said, you know what we're not gonna do every Wednesday for eight hours? How about I give you three hours three times a week of actual hands? Would that make more sense?

[A]

It would. However you get also, you also gotta keep in mind the number of teams. Like one team. If you give one team three hours and it's just me, the instructor, and I'm just working one on one with them, I don't need three hours. I can do everything in, like, an hour.

[C]

So if I gave you.

[A]

It depends on how many teams are coming.

[C]

You think it'd be more effective, though, if I broke canine training down to multiple times a week for less time?

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

So that it's not. Because even in human life, in training, we go to the range for eight hours. Yeah. By hour. I don't care how cool. Pew, pew, bing, bing. By about three hours in, you're like, bro, I'm smoking.

[A]

I'm tired.

[C]

It's hot out. I'm gonna go eat lunch. I'm gonna come back exhausted. Now we're gonna do it. And I'm like. So I look at it like, I would take the canine training and go based on what you just said and say you guys are going to train three hours or two hours a day, four times a week. Make more sense.

[A]

It does.

[C]

Because now we're getting combined quality. It's not fluff. It's not sunnies. It's not all. And I'm not knocking it. I get it. But that's what law enforcement kind of has become is. Is it not? And I was on swat, dude. We did the same. We trained every Wednesday. Trained three hours.

[B]

Days were smoke days. They weren't even trying to. They were just hard. They were.

[C]

But it was like, by like, 11 and 12, it was like, all right, let's go hit lunch. And then it's like a hour turns into two, two and a half. We're at the van talking.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You guys are.

[A]

I would say. I would say with this. This collective groove that we have now. Like, they work. They show up at 9. We work till about 11:30. Go eat real quick, come back. Okay.

[C]

But you're really trained.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lunch is always a staple in law enforcement.

[C]

There's no working through lunch unless you

[B]

get it guaranteed to go home early.

[C]

But how about this? So if I'm a canine trainer or if I'm a canine guy on your. That. Let's say we do that one week. That one day a week, they still should be doing something with their dog at home. Okay. That's what I'm pretty sure.

[A]

Homework.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And everybody's lacking.

[C]

Okay. Because like I said, you go to the gym. If we go. We all go to the gym once a week.

[A]

I can give you a workout program for the week. Hey, go. Go do this for a week.

[C]

And they have to do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or like the dentist.

[C]

But they should want. That's where I get into it. They should want to do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I work my whole time to get this dog. I have this responsibility. I'm getting all the extra pay. I got all the cool stuff. I'm getting called all this. I'm biting people.

[B]

Great.

[C]

You have to put the extra time in, right?

[B]

You do.

[C]

You're an elite unit. Just like working out. If I give you. If I told you you only have to work out one day a week, you're not. You're not gonna look good. I don't care how hard you're not, it's not gonna work. You gotta work out three to four times per week. You got to put in that extra time. Even if I gave you eight hours, you can work out eight hours every day. It's not gonna work if you do one day a week. So I see.

[B]

Mike, I can't hear you. There you go.

[C]

Okay. I see a lot of guys. Like, that's what I'm. My problem is it's a two tier problem. It's. We don't bring in the best. And I would say I would. You'd have to create that. You wouldn't keep doing that if I brought you in and I said, okay, this is the beginning. You're going to train these. These are our 6K9 handlers. You're in charge of them now. You're going to get me one of those guys to be the next you, and then I can keep rolling in my agency because now that next guy has a standard to go. I know what to look for in my next guy. So then for the next 30 years, whatever, we're going to keep it in house. But until you have that standard to start with, with, you might have to go outside the agency and bring a guy in that's. Sorry he didn't sit under the same tree with you for 10 years. He was in Iraq. He was doing this. He was training horses, training dogs. He was. He's an expert in this field. Sorry, you five guys that have been here 12, 18 years, you're probably not gonna make canine sergeant because you don't really have what it takes. But we're gonna make sure we bring a guy that does. And then we're gonna generationally save our canine unit. It. Yeah, I think you can do that across the board. Yeah.

[B]

Well, what are the. I mean, this is a legitimate question, Mike. With this game plan of bringing in the most qualified, what are the women and minorities going to do to get in? Because they get guaranteed in. I'm just saying.

[C]

He's a minority too. I'm glad. Woman. Can you be a woman for 15 minutes.

[B]

If you could be gay and a woman, too, we could pretty much waive anything.

[C]

Well, then you want my. You want my honest answer?

[B]

Well, I. But I do want to say first, that comes from a true place.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I used to watch people get jobs, and I remember thinking, like, I don't want to be that guy that's bitching about the straight white male because it. But it is a reality. Like, women and minorities were getting jobs based on that. They could check different boxes. And I get it. You know, some. Maybe the community outreach group, the Powell program. If you work in the hood, maybe it's better to have black people there. To be honest with you, I might not fit in. I didn't grow up in the hood. I really wouldn't bring any. Anything to that unit. As long as we're being honest about it. If leadership's going, yeah, that unit's gonna go to people that grew up in that area. That's like black people. Like, okay. You know, But I just watch women get picked over.

[C]

Can't have it. I'm sorry. You can't have it. I'm anti di. Pro merit. I believe in.

[A]

You know, I think the standard is a standard regardless across the board.

[C]

I agree with your community thing. Like, it's. It sometimes that. But yeah, they still. But just like you, all you got to do is take the. Take the position out of it. They still have to perform. So I don't care if it's canine community affairs, if. Whatever it is. And. And you still have to have a standard.

[A]

I have a female handler in my. In my collective group, and she's phenomenal, actually. I wouldn't even dare to say that she's the most dedicated out of everybody.

[B]

You don't have to cut for it, bro. Don't worry about it.

[C]

No, I'm just kidding.

[A]

I'm being serious. I'm being serious. And that she puts the time when. When we're even on shift on, like, when calls are low, like, she's out there working.

[C]

But if they don't take the word. If you just. We erase the word, and then. Then your statement to me is we don't have to talk about if she's a man or woman. You say, I know my. My most quality. I would rather you tell that story, then throw the female. So you say, my most qualified, dedicated handler is great. Blah, blah, blah. Then at the end go, she's a female. She's a female.

[B]

You'd be like, well, here's another thing that we're not talking about is also your track record for what you did before what you're trying to do, right? So if you're a giant bag of ass for seven years and all of a sudden you're like, well, they're really qualified. But every single supervisor we've talked to, every person that works to zone with them, says they're just, they suck.

[C]

I'm sorry. Yeah, it's pro. And that, that, there you go. Because that takes minority women anything out of it. That's just person pro merit. You have to base your decisions on who is most qualified for the job. You have to. This isn't feel good. This isn't like, this isn't Disneyland. This is, this is. People have to rely on someone to protect them at their worst moment. I can't take a 30 by 30 initiative or anything else and say, well, I'm gonna have to hire five people that maybe aren't qualified. That goes for any sex race. It doesn't matter. You have to be qualified to do the job. And that comes down to and a very across the board standard. Because if you can't be challenged on it, if you're consistent.

[A]

Nope.

[C]

You just say, this is the rule. This is it. If where you up is if you throw your buddy a bone, right? And they go, hey man, you just gave this guy position. He's a bag. Well, you know, he's a good guy, right? You have to go across the board and say, hey man, I'm sorry. Like that's the most qualified guy and I have to take him. And if it's a girl, it's a girl. And if you would know immediately. You know, I, I, I hate using my wife's example, but it's like, I know how she performs. Yeah, I know her standard is sickening. It's sickening how high her standard is sometimes for everybody and people can't.

[B]

It's a heart control it.

[C]

And then she gets, that's where she gets the on as a woman is because if a male had that standard, nobody would question it because it's a man. Man, high standard. He's jacked. He's got veins. Look at this guy. Yeah, look at him. He's great. He's got a standard. When she has the standard, it's a problem to most a lot of men because it's a female. And it's like she talks to you just like the dude would. She says the things just like a man would. But coming from a female, it emasculates people and it gives them like an Out. Well, she, you know, she's a little rough. She talks.

[B]

That chick's man.

[C]

Yeah. But a dude would come talk to you, like my first sergeant I talked about earlier, bird eye, scream at you, and you're just gonna be like, yeah, dude, you're got a flat top. Your uniforms are squared away. You've been in the Marine Corps. You're like, what am I gonna say when I argue with them? Like, no, dude, you here first.

[B]

Like, Lonnie Rich, that had a flat top was coming to you up gray,

[C]

gray, flat top, perfectly straight.

[B]

Dude.

[C]

Like, somebody put it on every morning, like a hat.

[B]

Perfect. It wakes up.

[C]

Yeah, but if he says it, it's okay. But when a female holds a stand, like, it just. It gets muddy right there.

[A]

But I think it's an ego thing more than anything.

[C]

You have to go.

[A]

But, like, the dudes that get butt hurt about being busted out by a

[B]

woman, you know, ain't gonna let no female talk to me like that. The Bible says she, I ain't gonna let two dudes in a room tell me, I gotta. I got married for a reason. I got one chick that tells me what to do, and I hate it.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. We all have that one. I have that one, too. But I'm. It just. It wouldn't matter if you're all holding the standards.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And she's holding the standard, and I'm holding it. And it wouldn't matter what's between her legs when she tells you what to do. It wouldn't matter. Because you said, like you said, if she's the most dedicated, in two years from now, she gets promoted to canine sergeant. There can't be an argument that we've watched her.

[B]

Here's one thing in this industry I will not allow one person to tell me, dude, she's probably the best on the squad because I've heard that so much. And that's why I like, that's a cop out. I can't trust it. Yeah.

[C]

No, I agree with you because, dude, she's like.

[B]

She's like the best operator on the team.

[C]

I mean, there's no way. I remember there was a video that came. Came out a while back of a female cop that got in a shooting, and she missed like, 11 of the 12 rounds and was hitting the pavement. It was a pretty popular video. And a lot of dudes like, did you share it? They're like, but, bro, she showed up. Yeah, it was her call. She had to showing. Missed every shot. Well, she got in the fight. Well, the guy was shooting at her. She had to shoot back. She had much of a choice, and she missed all the rounds. So it's like, don't say she. It's almost. And my wife hates that term because it's like, you're automatically giving females a chance to be subpar just because they showed up. Well, everybody. Everybody showed up, and she missed every round. That was a dude. You'd be like, this dude's a bag of. He missed every round. So it. It's simple. But once you implement that standard, the responsibility goes on the leader to say, I'm never breaking this standard. That's when your buddy calls and says, bro, I just got. I need a job. Sorry, Yeah, I can't help you. You're not good. Or somebody comes along and says, hey, that dude that you hate, like, that guy you can't stand, he's the best girl. He's got to do it. Then if he's the best guy for the job, I know I don't like him. I don't like the way he dresses. Whatever. We had beef when I was a deputy five years ago, whatever it may

[B]

be, but I'm sheriff now.

[C]

If they come to me and they say, there's a couple guys that. They've asked me about it, and I'm like, no, I wouldn't move that guy. I. I can't stand him. I think he's. I would probably talk to him about maybe his delivery on some things or something, but I would look at him and go, that guy belongs in that spot. He can be a dick sometimes. Maybe we talk to him about that, but I'm not moving him because I don't like him. He's the best for the job. You. That's. That's the way you keep a standard. I like you. Doesn't mean you got the job and I can't stand you. Doesn't mean you don't get the job. Like, you have to hold a standard across the board board for everybody to follow. And that takes away the racial issue, the sexist issue. I am putting the best person in the position, the most qualified person. That's it. It's simple. It's the simplest thing. I don't care if he's been here one year or 19 years. The best guy is going there.

[A]

There's waivers for everything.

[C]

Yep. Well, when you're in Syria, that's.

[B]

That's how you did 20 years in military. There's waivers for everything.

[A]

There is.

[B]

I mean, yeah.

[C]

And if you're. If you hold that standard because the responsibility is now on the person directing it to go. I can't get called out. Right. I can't be on the news going, hey, hey, Sheriff, you. You said you're putting the best. This guy's been. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I guess I screwed that one up. Like, you have. As long as I'm holding the standard and you're on the standard, we never can be challenged. Because they can't say, well, you've showed favorite. No, I doesn't.

[A]

Well, and going back to canine. Canine tryouts, like, we don't hold those.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

We should.

[C]

Oh, dude.

[A]

Dude, we should. They should. There should be. If you want to go to a unit, you. Or if you want to go to any specialty unit, you study. Yeah. You get in shape.

[B]

But you have to have, like, some kind of, like, oral board. Right?

[C]

But that's. It's cooked.

[A]

Yeah, but I mean, oral board by people that don't have experience,

[B]

they already have the guy they want.

[C]

Yeah. I sat on an oral board at very young in my career, and I was like, man, that it was a girl. I said, that chick right there, that's crazy. She's going to make detective. She did better than. She's like, they're like, she's not making the tattoo. Like, we already had the three guys written down. They came from the top. They're like, you thought this was real. You thought this oral board was real? Like, so you just wasted nine people's time to come bring their case files and others.

[B]

There are. There's arguments for the good Old boy system. I don't. I don't advocate for it, but I've heard some really good arguments as to why.

[C]

Like, like, morale.

[B]

Not just disbanding a squad, because good Old boy system is. And I got your Instagram up, by the way. I'm showing everybody on the.

[C]

That's a hell of a fist. Was that Cobia?

[B]

Oh, that's a shark, bro.

[A]

That's a shark.

[C]

What's your favorite shark?

[B]

I really like this picture.

[C]

I can't figure out why Tyler's been hovering over that shark picture since we started.

[B]

But, yeah, I. I think that the Good Old boy sister system was a really good defense against DEI infiltration. And so when. When it's like an absolute on one or the other, D. Is it dei? D. Yeah, DEI is very, very bad. Good Old Boy system is also very, very bad. But if I had to pick one system, I would pick good Old Boy because you know that the DEI is not going to Be able to get in with that safeguard of the good old way system. Once you remove that, I think you're

[C]

not supposed to pick either. I think you were supposed to say. I think you're supposed to go, well, somewhere in the middle is where Sheriff Dilks is going to bring this together. All right, try that again.

[B]

Yeah, I know it goes without saying that you're not, because you're basically the

[C]

good old boy system would be maybe racist or like.

[B]

Oh, I didn't mean it like that.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. You can say like the good old voice is going to keep everyone out.

[B]

Like it's a. It's a. It's a club. Like, you pay your dues for years. You're already friends with the guys in the unit. Why don't you argue? SWAT will always be a good old boy system. You've got to do your hangaround time with the SWAT guys. You can literally smoke the entire process. Be a great person if the guys on team don't like you. It is what it is.

[A]

But I mean it. It's the same as selection. Yeah. You can go all the way through selection and get nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you're added to the.

[C]

You know, so it takes a level of accountability. It just does. You have to be a good person. You have to be a good person to be in charge with also standards and then perform it.

[B]

It's.

[C]

Most of the leaders of law enforcement, I would say, in this country do not belong in those positions. That would be my. That would be my.

[A]

My. The first takeaway would be if they're fat, they're gone.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, it's. Can we do that? Yeah.

[B]

What's the. What's the legalities generally about getting rid of fat cops?

[A]

Articulating that. The fact that they can't chase after anybody. They can't do their job.

[B]

Because you could be a leader and

[A]

you could be achieved. You could be fired.

[C]

It's tough.

[B]

Why not?

[C]

Because there's 88.

[B]

I'm asking.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know. There's. Unions protect them up. No, that's one of the big arguments. Unions, unions, protect them.

[A]

But you know how you do it, though? Well, you implement PT tests.

[C]

Yeah. But the unions try to block that. You have to roll it in.

[B]

I've never even heard of a fat cop being forced. That's what. And I'm saying, like, because moving them to SRO is not the idea, because we want. I want.

[A]

I want my kids to see somebody as an example, and I want somebody

[B]

that's gonna go kill a monster that the kids.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Like, where do you put the fat guy? Guys you can't fire.

[A]

No, you cannot fire them. But you can definitely set put standards.

[B]

But it's like, it's like suing somebody with no money.

[C]

You create.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[C]

You could you create an environment. Like, that's what Sandy Springs would talk.

[B]

So we have to fat shame them. We have to get.

[C]

I call it creating an environment. I'm gonna give you a political answer. Creating an environment.

[B]

Using effective communication.

[C]

You create an environment. Like Jordan Ennis tells me me, when guys get hired to Sandy Springs, they're like, what do you mean? You're not going to come for an hour and roll on the max and get dirty?

[B]

You.

[C]

That's what we do and work up. Once you get enough guys bought in, it takes a cycle or two, but once you get enough guys bought in, then oral boards and hiring process is geared towards that mentality of, you know, we roll twice a week for an hour and you don't, you know, you're getting paid, you're on duty. But we do that here. Like, it's not like a law. I can't enforce it. But that's what we do here. And you kind of create your. You're good with that. You just create an environment that breeds hard work.

[B]

Dude, we just gotta let the fat guys get out.

[A]

I just think it is very selfish for somebody that's overweight to be in a first responder spot.

[B]

I agree. Well, they're selfish to themselves, first off. So first their fur. They're being obvious, grotesquely overweight. I'm not talking a little. Yeah, I know, yeah, we're talking about the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and to do that to yourself, first off, you're okay, you're selfish to yourself. But then to go like you said, and maybe the guys get fat over

[A]

time, then get unfat.

[C]

Created environment. Create an environment. How can you tell your wife. How do you tell your wife and kids that you're that simple?

[A]

Dude, you're going to die and go work out.

[C]

You're going, you're going to come home. How do you walk out of the house 80 pounds overweight and tell your family, well, I'm, I'm going. I'm gonna come home tonight. Well, there's a good chance you're not because you can't do anything. You can't get out of your own way.

[A]

And it.

[B]

I will never forget, dude, I was in a fight and there was a Chain link fence. And the first guy, it was me and another deputy fighting two people at the same time. We were both rolling with each one and there was a chain link fence in. This cop was like, I need bolt cutters. It was, I mean it wasn't, it wasn't waist tire, six foot. It was probably 10, 11ft. But he couldn't climb over the fence.

[A]

Of course not.

[B]

Can you imagine if I was getting tuned up? I wasn't. But if I was getting tuned up, like watching somebody can't get over the four foot wall.

[C]

We have a guy who can't get over the four foot wall. On our pat, our PT test fails it. He just doesn't, he can't do it.

[B]

What, does he run around?

[C]

No, he did get it next year. Dq.

[B]

All right, Peach has got a question for you for five bucks, Mike, if you give.

[C]

Yeah, so I'm good. All of it? Yes, yes, yes. And then you get to the end though. Well, for our listeners, Mike, with a good old boy system, go away if you get elected irc. So swat, db, special units, will you guys have to do time on the road eventually? Kind of. Well, like he said, I, I, there's guys that have gone straight to those positions and didn't do any road time. I believe you still have to be a cop, so you have to be able to do basic patrol. Because on your way to swat, on your way to db, on your way to work every day when you drive in and out, regardless of your position, you could encounter a bank robber, you can encounter a hostage situation, you can counter, where you have to clear a building and rescue somebody, you might be the only one, you might be the first one there and the only one there. Shots are fired in a house, somebody's getting shot at, you have to go. So you have to know the basics. So like you like my scenario with him is easy. He's already knows how to be a cop. He's gone through fto, he's got, he's got skills as a cop, he's got more experience in a special unit. So going straight to a supervisor in special unit isn't a huge deal. But I wouldn't go get a canine guy that's only done canine, never done law enforcement. Say, hey, you're in my canine sergeant and let you patrol. You'd have to establish yourself as a cop as well. So that'd be like, let's imagine you're not in law enforcement enforcement yet. And I say, hey, go through the FTO program, get hired, give me some Time on the road, learn your skill. Then I would go, okay, now this guy's been here. You're. Now you're in charge of. Because it's multi layered.

[A]

But you also had to take into account, like the history.

[C]

Right?

[A]

I have, yeah. Like the whole infantry thing.

[C]

I just have to.

[A]

You have to get the totality.

[C]

You have to be able to show up and take a fraud. You still have to know how to take a call. And I got to trust you to do. Because you know, you can't. The rules of engagement in the g. WAT are different than the rules of engagement in a residential neighborhood. But once you have those skills. And I go, okay, like this is the guy, off you go. So bringing somebody in, though, with no experience and putting them into a detective spot or. I think they do that. You're right. With the SRO situation, they. They bring them in and go right to sro.

[A]

Yeah, we had a couple guys in the academy that got hired just to go sr.

[B]

It happens a lot because a lot of stuff states are mandating that there has to be a gun, a cop, or a guardian in that school. So it falls on.

[C]

It just. It's so dangerous, man.

[B]

It's so dangerous. Well, I mean, to be fair, most of those. Most of those are retired cops from other places.

[C]

That's fine. That's the experience is there then.

[B]

But you can. 24, we got.

[C]

We got people.

[A]

We had three in my academy in Tennessee and they were straight out of, like, young. They were like 24, 25, and went straight to Arsaro.

[C]

Dude, that's the spot. Building clearing at school, marksmanship, kids run around taking out a shooter. School. You're talking about brand new cops that haven't ever been in a fistfight, haven't been in use before. And now the day that card gets pulled and it's yours. Dude, it is. It's the worst place to be with no experience. So I really just don't understand it.

[B]

There's a. Eli's in here dunking on me that he's faster than me. But I do want to congratulate Eli. Eli is up in his bench press. He is up to 75 pounds.

[C]

He doubles it, he'll have. He'll be close to my wife.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[C]

If he doubles it. Yeah, if he doubles it. No.

[B]

So you could be five, nine and you're. You're eight pounds away from being malnourished. Did you tell the chat that too?

[C]

Was he weighing.

[B]

Forget about that.

[C]

90 pounds.

[B]

He weighs 1 133.

[C]

Can he bench his weight.

[B]

125 at his height is malnourished.

[C]

Can you bench his weight?

[B]

No,

[C]

you can't match his weight.

[B]

You can't bench your way. It has nothing to do with being fat. I know you can't bench.

[C]

You can't bench your weight.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, we got.

[C]

You can't talk. You can't talk any junk to your dad. From this point forward, until you can bench your body weight, you got to

[B]

be able to do five pull ups.

[C]

Oh, he's done.

[B]

I know. You can't do one. No, you can't. Well, Eli has to use the band. Oh, the trainer band. It's all right.

[C]

This is. This is the DI Hire in the corner over here. The DI Dunking on me like I'm not looking, man.

[B]

Learning.

[C]

The rule is you can't dunk on your dad, so you can out best my wife. You can't do. You can't say anything else.

[B]

Yeah, Eli's training.

[C]

He's.

[B]

He's definitely faster.

[C]

I meant the guys to stay in special units for eight years. Never more. They get promoted and never go there. Okay.

[B]

Yes. That.

[C]

That is. If we're gonna move a guy through his career, he needs a good. Road is important. Road experience is important.

[B]

So.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I started thinking about that when you guys were, like, talking. I was like, the road experience is really important because it's the. It's the core of every specialty unit. They're coming after a call on the road. So understanding the blueprint of why the call was created or why it's happening.

[C]

Yeah. And I'll go before we're almost done. But that creates that whole environment where I said in an interview a week or two ago that my command staff would regularly have to go out and work patrol. Like, they would have hours. And I don't know what the number is because how can you tell me that I didn't de. Escalate verbally or I didn't get. I didn't do something right. If you're not. You haven't done it in 20 years or 10 years. How do you tell me that? Oh, you shouldn't. You shouldn't have raised your voice at that point. Well, when's the last time you went out and saw that? There's a. There's a new world. I don't know if people realize it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There's a different world out there from

[B]

like 15, 20 years ago from 1997.

[C]

Yeah. When you just did. Oh, you meant you just. Guys just smacked them. Yeah. But you don't Understand that you have to and. And they don't understand. If it's talk to people differently in different parts of the neighborhoods and different parts of the community. They. There's different language or different octaves you have to use. There's different ways of getting people's attention. If you've been sitting behind a desk taking classes at the FBI academy or just, you know, power dms and you don't know what's going on so.

[B]

Well, you want to know something fun to do? I used to do this. Go find old relics. And I don't mean old, but I mean like guys that have been road patrol for close to retirement. Ask them about admin. Like, well, what about this guy? Oh, I went to the academy with him. Just start. And they hold it in because they're. They're what's left of silent professionals. They know not to go out there and bad mouth. But you ask them about somebody an admin that outranks them by 20 positions. They'll be honest with you. Oh no. He's a total piece of.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Or he used to be racist and beat the out of people.

[C]

Now he's amazing conversation like that now. Because I have a lady that's suing our agency and she's been reaching out to me about that. That exact issue.

[B]

Racism.

[C]

Yes. And it's. It's the old joke, right? The ld. You go to the LT who tells you can't say anymore. And yeah, you watched him knee Spike. You know, people in the head for like looking at him wrong. And you're like, I remember a different. Different version of you. And I'm not saying we shouldn't have adapted from what he did because it wasn't right. But how can you look at me like. Because I said and now it just

[A]

makes you a hick. It makes you a hypocrite and. And like your own dudes see you. So it's just like, all right, we'll

[B]

wrap it up right now. First off, what a tactical actually great yesterday we need more people like Santana and law enforcement hard to get fit. Peach said for 10 bucks. I meant the guys who stay in the special unit for eight years and never move. They get promoted and never go to the road and do their time as a sergeant on the road.

[C]

That's a huge problem with is they get promoted to sergeant in a special unit. They never go back to the road. Completely lose touch. Then they make lieutenant in a specialty unit. And then let's say you have a new sheriff commands and said, hey man, you're not in my plans for the specialty unit. Go to the road. Well, you've. You've never even been a sergeant on the road. Now you're gonna be a lieutenant, a watch commander. And it's like, that's failing. That's leadership failure 101 that you didn't develop. That guy. Our sheriff's never worked the road, dude. Like, don't get me started.

[B]

So I have your Instagram pulled up here, but what's the best. Is this the best way to get a hold of you for anything?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right there.

[B]

All right. B E, B O. Underscore actual Nebo. And yeah, I mean, essentially canine training is your. Oh, it says it right here. Connoisseur. You're a canine connoisseur. Do you. And then real quick. Yeah, you're building. This is really cool.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So we. We recently just got like 142 acres in Brunswick and we're building a, like a tactical center. Basically it's going to be a village of containers. We're going to do underground stuff. We're going to put some containers on the ground. We're going to do some two, three story stuff. We're going to have a range. We're going to have basically a canine handler academy, and that's what the facility is going to be like. But it's also going to be open for training to bring instructors. We got. I got ton of friends that do, you know, tactics classes and stuff like that.

[B]

And we're.

[A]

We're gonna start doing that and hopefully it's gonna have like five, seven faces to the construction. Right now we're almost done building the pet training area of the business, but it's also going to have an arena for like, host police national competitions for canines. We're gonna, you know, and a lot of it, it's going to be just. It's. It's going to be very geared towards tactical and canine as far as that goes. Static ranges, gym, pool, helipad, air strips. Like, we're doing all that. We've already been in communication with Brunswick Airport and we're going to see if we can get and mark our area with the drop zone for like even like diving in, skydiving and stuff like that. So a lot of things coming up in the next two, three years and building that for the community.

[C]

Awesome. That's awesome, dude.

[B]

We had Wyatt on, but we ran out of time. So unless you guys want to stay late. What? Wyatt, why? I offered. It was at 1:45. He texted me, but I Didn't check my phone. Problem with the live show. I don't have a problem. Yeah, bring them in. All right, let me. Okay. How do you like. I gotta text him a link somehow.

[C]

Oh, so you're not even ready?

[B]

No, I didn't. I just checked my phone.

[C]

What happened on tomorrow, then?

[B]

Oh, you want to do it tomorrow?

[C]

Yeah, let's bring them on tomorrow.

[B]

Okay, Wyatt, we'll bring you on tomorrow. Sorry about that. I hope you're alive and available tomorrow, but Mike wants to risk it, so.

[C]

Wait a second.

[B]

Mike's hungry? He just hasn't said it yet.

[C]

I didn't say it once. I'm minding my business. I mean, you know, you're a good

[B]

guess when Mike hasn't said he's hungry.

[A]

Hey, look, I. I have. I took the day for. For you guys, so I'm here.

[C]

You don't want to bring Wyatt on me. Okay.

[A]

Bring them on.

[C]

I'm good. I don't have anywhere to be. Yeah, I mean, it's.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's.

[C]

I mean, it's just Wyatt.

[B]

Yeah, he's. He's texting now.

[C]

He's texting you, huh? Is he ready?

[B]

Well, I got bubbles, dude, I don't know.

[C]

Well, I text him on a different app.

[B]

I got dots. I just got to figure out to send him the link. If he's good for tomorrow, we'll do tomorrow.

[C]

We can run the bridge.

[B]

Why? It just said tomorrow. God, all I see is dots going

[C]

like, I have to. Yeah, tomorrow. We can run the bridge.

[B]

All's good for tomorrow. It's your choice. All right. Yeah, we'll do it tomorrow then.

[C]

Chest day tomorrow.

[B]

All right. What the hell's that?

[C]

I'm doing Peach is asking. We can run the bridge.

[B]

Oh, you don't run on chest day.

[C]

No, I can't. I'm saying I'll be home tomorrow. I don't have to drive.

[B]

You want to take Eli with you? You can teach him. Just day. All right, guys, that's it. We'll see you tomorrow. What's up? What's tonight? Sports with canine counterculture inc. YouTube. Go check it out. 7:00pm and then we'll see you at 1:00pm tomorrow on the Antero broadcast. Jv team for life.