Welcome To Copville

Summary

The Antihero Podcast Episode: "Welcome To Copville" Release Date: December 30, 2024

Description: Part Delta Force. Part Street Cop. All Truth.

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Introduction

In the episode titled "Welcome To Copville," hosts Tyler and Brent Tucker, alongside guest Mike AKA Copville, delve deep into their extensive backgrounds in the military and law enforcement. They share candid insights into their careers, challenges faced, and the evolution of policing tactics over the years.

Military Backgrounds and Transition to Law Enforcement

Tyler and Brent both boast impressive military careers, having served as airborne infantrymen before transitioning into policing. Their military experiences laid a strong foundation for their roles in law enforcement, especially in specialized units like SWAT.

• Tyler recounts his initial military days:

  [08:33] "I was odd jobbing it around town washing cars and I got my GED in the Army."

• Brent adds:

  [09:28] "Anyone who'd have known me before that would have been like, no, Brennan jumped that airplane."

Their transition wasn't without its challenges. Both faced fears and physical hurdles, such as Tyler's fear of heights and Brent's apprehensions about parachuting into challenging terrains.

SWAT Training and Trials

The trio discusses the rigorous SWAT training processes, highlighting the physical and mental demands required to succeed.

• Tyler shares his struggle with SWAT trials:

  [44:10] "One of the trials at our agency was extremely hard... I actually said the word I hate to say and I quit."

• Brent provides perspective on obstacle courses:

  [44:33] "When there's a distance between obstacles... SWAT obstacle courses you can do anywhere."

Their conversations emphasize the importance of resilience, adaptability, and continuous improvement in high-stress environments.

Law Enforcement Challenges and Experiences

The hosts delve into the complexities of modern policing, sharing personal anecdotes that shed light on the everyday realities faced by officers.

• Tyler reflects on his early days as a dispatcher and the weight of responsibility:

  [33:38] "I take a call for a homicide... to hear the franticness of the caller."

• Brent discusses the psychological toll:

  [71:10] "It's hard to get into the mind of someone like that."

They also touch upon the blurred lines between personal and professional lives, especially when officers encounter individuals they've previously apprehended.

Starting "Copville" and Building a Community

Transitioning from frontline duties, Tyler explores his venture into creating a meme page named "Copville," aimed at providing humor and camaraderie within the law enforcement community.

• Tyler narrates the inception of the page:

  [84:23] "I'm trying to think. That's a spot. I can tell the bad. It's hard to remember good things."

• Brent emphasizes the uniqueness of Tyler's approach:

  [88:49] "You can't do it as an attractive female... But to do that through funny memes is amazing."

The meme page quickly gained traction, highlighting the universal experiences and challenges shared among officers, fostering a sense of unity and understanding.

Merchandising and Expanding Influence

Building on the success of "Copville," Tyler ventured into merchandising, selling stickers, hoodies, and other merchandise to further support and engage the community.

• Tyler discusses the challenges of maintaining anonymity while expanding:

  [84:54] "I delete everything I got. So now I got out of the algorithm. Zero."

• Brent comments on the business aspect:

  [87:22] "It's hard to get over 100,000 followers and not do it as an attractive female."

The merchandise not only serves as a revenue stream but also as a means to spread awareness and solidarity among first responders.

Cultural Shifts and the Future of Policing

The episode concludes with a discussion on the evolving culture within law enforcement, the importance of self-awareness, and the need for adaptability in an ever-changing societal landscape.

• Tyler shares concerns about current policing standards:

  [78:37] "What I think is wrong with the culture of law enforcement right now is because if you're not in that... they will just run you over."

• Brent and Mike highlight the balance between authority and community engagement:

  [80:32 Brent] "If you're a self-starter... Once you get on the team, the guys who flourish on that team are self-starters."

They emphasize the necessity for officers to continually evolve, maintain mental resilience, and foster positive relationships within their communities.

Notable Quotes

• Tyler on the importance of fear in policing:

  [00:00] "In this job, you should be scared in this job. In a lot of situations."

• Brent Tucker on complacency:

  [00:03] "I'm talking complaint because complacency kills."

• Tyler reflecting on his first SWAT efforts:

  [62:23] "We were going through the door in shorts, a Giants jersey that was about a 3 XL."

Conclusion

"Welcome To Copville" offers a raw and unfiltered look into the lives of seasoned law enforcement officers. Through their shared stories and experiences, Tyler, Brent, and Mike provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the dedication, challenges, and camaraderie that define the policing profession. The episode not only highlights personal triumphs and setbacks but also underscores the evolving nature of law enforcement in today's world.

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Transcript

[Tyler]

In this job, you should be scared in this job. In a lot of situations.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. Yes. I'm talking complaint because complacency kills.

[Tyler]

Back then, this is how unorganized it was. I had a Glock 21, okay? Huge Glock jammed under my hand cannon. I had no shirt on. So I'm fat.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

No shirt hood. I got, like, my necklace on, and I got a Glock 21 either behind my back or under my leg. And I'm wearing, like a. Back then we had, like, a garage door opener or like a tape measure that's got a bug in it. And that. That's my. That's my system.

[Brent Tucker]

No comment. Oh, he didn't kill Bitmark.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Probably blame me for being an idiot, but.

[Brent Tucker]

Which you were. Which we all were. You have to make it to where crime doesn't pay. You have to deter crime. Whether it's crime or terrorism, it's the same principle.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You have to clash with supervision. You have to, or nothing will get done. Supervisors can't learn how to supervise, and you can't learn how to respect supervisor without confrontation. It has to happen.

[Brent Tucker]

Do not take that out.

[Tyler]

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[Mike AKA Copville]

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[Tyler]

All right, we're coming off Covid job.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a little. Little self proclaimed clovid.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah, not really. But we.

[Tyler]

We.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I got sick really bad. And then I came to the live and then I came to a studio session. And in those two sessions I got Brent very sick and he had. But it was in and out in two days. But there's a lot of aftermath like. So we're not sick anymore.

[Tyler]

I'm good.

[Brent Tucker]

I got a lingering cough, but I'm not sick.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I don't feel good. My temperature's up, but I'm not sick anymore.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Chat.

[Brent Tucker]

GPT told me that I am not contagious anymore. Dr. Dr. Chat. It's got to be true. Yeah. You don't argue with Chat.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I don't even know. I don't even go to Chat. BT Chat. Bgbt.

[Brent Tucker]

Nailed it.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes.

[Mike AKA Copville]

It's AI Man. This is demonic.

[Tyler]

Please, please continue.

[Brent Tucker]

Please continue calling it that for the rest. Resume for the rest of your life.

[Tyler]

It'll make you sound too good on a resume.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You have to like Chad gbg. Did you just create one your own?

[Tyler]

All right. Yeah. Ready?

[Brent Tucker]

Chat. BT Chat.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I don't have my sunglasses, but we gotta go. All right, ready?

[Brent Tucker]

I'll throw you some.

[Mike AKA Copville]

No, I'm good.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I'm moving on.

[Brent Tucker]

You're moving on.

[Tyler]

Don't.

[Brent Tucker]

No. No one likes curve bill hats.

[Tyler]

Not wearing it.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Look at this. Who am I, dude? Am I boring now? Am I a grown up?

[Brent Tucker]

Commissioner Gordon, Where'd you go?

[Tyler]

All right.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Welcome back to the Anti Hero podcast. Part Delta Force, part street cop. All truth. I'm Tyler, owner of Refracted Wolf Apparel. Use promo code Anti hero and get 15 off. The best at outsider culture, graphic tees, stickers, hats, flags and ranger panties.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Mike AKA Copville]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Mike AKA Copville]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah, dude, that's huge.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike AKA Copville]

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[Brent Tucker]

Hey, don't forget we do the Thursday night lives every Thursday night at 8:00pm Eastern Time. Goes from 8 to 10:00pm we read the super chats, we watch videos, we have a great time. Highlight of my week. Say it every week but. And every week it's true. And also don't forget to support us on our Patreon. We. We have the most affordable Patreon the end in the industry. 3 and $5 levels. And it helps us with all of our studio equipment and rent and you get more information. You get some behind the scenes stuff. You get to know what's coming up next. You get to ask us questions as well.

[Mike AKA Copville]

We're.

[Brent Tucker]

We're very active on that. So support us there as well.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yep. And I think this video will air but before then. But January 11th, come to Philadelphia. Party with us. We're doing a live show with the Unbecoming podcast with the Counterculture Inc. And that's gonna be a good time. It's five dollar cover and we'll link the. The event details in the description if I remember this time.

[Brent Tucker]

And yeah, and hopefully that some of that Patreon money will go to a ski jacket thick enough for me to survive. Philadelphia in January.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah, we'll be like 50 Cent up there.

[Tyler]

Jack's not going to say the up.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You have any of the bulletproof vest? Wind chill.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna get some inserts into that jacket.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm gonna show up that looking ridiculous. Gloves, puffy pants, long johns. I. I don't do well in anything under 72.

[Mike AKA Copville]

No. Yeah, Philadelphia sounds fun.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's. Let's get into it. Let's get into it with us. We have Mike AKA Copville with us on the episode. He's going to stay on the live so the. You guys will already have seen him on the live and notice him from that. He was a three year airborne infantryman in the US army and also served 23 years as a cop. That's a. That's a full term.

[Tyler]

Yeah, 26 years.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, 26 years of service. Yep, exactly. I'm gonna get right into. I'm interested in the. The very beginning of it. How did you. How did you land the beginning of your career of service and the Airborne Infantry?

[Tyler]

So I was odd jobbing it around town washing cars and I got my GED in the Army.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Sound like a promising future, sir?

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Tyler]

You know, as.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Washing dishes, washing cars and.

[Brent Tucker]

Never mind. I completely understand how. No, I completely understand how you ended up airborne into infantry. There's. Never mind.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we got a job for you.

[Mike AKA Copville]

A lot of cleaning involved.

[Tyler]

I actually had a moment of like, this isn't gonna be a great life as I was washing dishes and I didn't even tell my mom. The army recruiter called me. Actually rode to Miami with him to MEPs. And I am terrified of heights. You can't put me on a ladder because I'm scared to death. So I walk in, they put a bunch of jobs. After they show me this video, these dudes jumping out of airplanes and coming down. I said, man, that'd be really cool. And I actually signed up that day and had to drive home and tell my mom that I joined the United States Army. No way.

[Brent Tucker]

We have that in common.

[Tyler]

1996. I went down in March and I had a leave date of April 11th.

[Brent Tucker]

I was scared of heights. I'll one up. Yeah, I was scared of roller coasters. And I signed up, you know, not initially, but, you know, became airborne. And one of the scariest things I did to my. To, to date in my life was jump out of an airplane at. At Fort Benning. Anyone who'd have known me before that would have been like, no, Brennan jumped that airplane. Was that 2002?

[Tyler]

So the towers were gone?

[Brent Tucker]

No, no, they were still there.

[Tyler]

The.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But we didn't. But we didn't use them because a high. There was high winds that day until.

[Tyler]

I got out of it.

[Brent Tucker]

So does anyone ever use.

[Tyler]

I didn't use them either. But I remember looking up at them and I was like, oh, man, that's going to be rough.

[Mike AKA Copville]

So scarier than the plane I looked like.

[Brent Tucker]

So do you remember Your first jump?

[Tyler]

I do. Because, you know, you load the plane backwards. So I thought I was going to be the last one out the door.

[Brent Tucker]

Based on the way they loaded losers.

[Tyler]

I got some time for this, so 10 minutes, you know, 30. And then they got 30 seconds to stand by. I was like, holy.

[Brent Tucker]

The very first one.

[Tyler]

Very first.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's even worse. Yeah.

[Tyler]

So people make fun of me for, you know, being scared of heights. And I remember looking out and I actually wasn't. It wasn't scary because of the. The perception.

[Brent Tucker]

It was surreal. Almost like, right, yeah, I'm high. I get that Christmas lights on the.

[Tyler]

House is high up there is.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Like I might die.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

There's nothing I knew about it.

[Tyler]

Whatever. Whatever. So, yeah, I was the first one. First job, jump out the door of my class.

[Brent Tucker]

I. My leg was shaking. And. And I've told this embarrassing story before, but I'll tell it again because it's unfortunately true. We had a female ROTC cadet going through airborne as well, and she was right in front of me. And I went to airborne school because I. I got selected for special forces training, so I had to go to airborne school. And I remember having to tell myself, don't be a. Like, this girl in front of you isn't shaking and your leg is shaking, and you're going to be a Green Beret. And I remember going, I don't want to jump out of this plane. And think, well, when that train goes, like, there's. There's no stopping. Yeah, essentially.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I just remember think, calming myself down, going, hey, calm down. If this chick's gonna jump out of an airplane, you can jump out of an airplane. And that's essentially what. What got me through my first jump. Not for the first jump, I was like, I wasn't so bad.

[Tyler]

I felt the same, actually.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah. Until the next day, you're like, that's right.

[Brent Tucker]

And it comes back when you load the airplane again.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I think we did two. It was two. Two, one. I think we did two the first day. Two. The second day. And then, like the last Hollywood jump for graduation.

[Mike AKA Copville]

So, yes.

[Tyler]

Two, two, one.

[Mike AKA Copville]

But every day reset it for me, the fear. Because it did the second jump in a day.

[Tyler]

That's good. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Every day is a reset.

[Tyler]

And even when you jumped in the unit, I remember, remember, like, every. That. That, you know, it's coming up, it.

[Brent Tucker]

Came back again a week away.

[Tyler]

You start to get that butterflies and anxiety. And then once you're out there, because we did a lot of helicopter stuff where I was stationed.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

They would land, you know, family days and stuff out of the job zone. I was in Fort Polk, Louisiana.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So they would do like the Huey jumps and all that stuff. So. But those weren't terrible. But I, I got, what I did get was the fear of landing. I got the fear of landing in a plane because I went years, I went that whole time in the military and fly anywhere commercial.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You know what's funny?

[Tyler]

And I never.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Same thing.

[Brent Tucker]

All you do was take off in planes, never landed them.

[Tyler]

Then I got to the point where I'm like, if I'm getting on this damn plane for a commercial flight, yeah, I don't want to like land. I wanna.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, so were you OP4 for.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The coolest job and you know, if, you know you went through it. I have the coolest job in the military other than maybe some of the cool stuff you.

[Brent Tucker]

The, the, the, the only reason why I know it was so cool is cuz we had a guy, Johnny Riggs was in Special forces training with us. One of the best dudes in the Q course because he had so much experience messing with, doing guerrilla warfare and knowing what worked, knowing what didn't work. Like not a lot of people had been to war but JRTC is always at simulated war take. He was great.

[Tyler]

Three of us could take out.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Oh, talking to Mike.

[Tyler]

Three of us could take a platoon out, no problem. Give us plus you guys, the guys that came were miserable. Stupid things on your halo miles. But the guys that came were miserable. You're away from home for three or four weeks so you don't zero your rifle. It's banging around, you're slinging it up again. We treated that rifle and I had a red dot Back then 1996, one of the first red dots. It was huge. And we would literally at night we would put the tape on the end of the Miles gear and we practice zero in it. So my zero was dead on.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

And all we wanted to do and I'm telling you, two, three of us against a platoon, done. Yeah. Wipe them guys out, no problem. Move on to the next one and be done with them.

[Brent Tucker]

Except for the fact you're stuck in Fort Polk, Louisiana.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So going home Pizza Hut. Going home, the Wagon Wheel. It was like they just built a Walmart. When I got there was the first Walmart and the only restaurant in town was like the Wagon Wheel. The only cool thing about Polk was there was no open container laws. So you go through the old drive thru in Leesville, Louisiana. There and get the mixed drink in the drive thru. Get the beers, you can drive around with them in the car. It was like a wild town.

[Mike AKA Copville]

That does sound like a place without a lot of liquor laws. Leesville, Louisiana.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it does.

[Tyler]

And the town was dry Sundays, but the base was okay. So all the guys and all your vagrants will be lined up at the last gas station there at the end of the base, waiting to get beer.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Was that. Was that four. Was that the one of the 10th Mountain Brigades that was out there?

[Tyler]

No, it was the second ACR was there. Second ACR was at Fort Polk and it was our. I was first at the 509th Airborne Unit and then some MPS and 10th Mountain wasn't there.

[Brent Tucker]

I won't just remind me. I'll tell you my, my one for, like, I only went to JRTC once, but I'll. I'll. I'll save that for.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

For, for. For after.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Well, okay. You were there before the gwat, right?

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Okay. So when they, when they made every division into four brigades, they moved 4th Brigade, 10th Mountain down there.

[Tyler]

Okay. Yeah. I was 96 and 99.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I did three years and they weren't there.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you have like, any inkling to continue your military career? Was there something that made you get.

[Tyler]

Out and so I had actually knew the police chief before I left.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

The town I was in. And he promised me a job when I got out. So I was. I had that lined up. The problem I had with, once I did the OP4 was like, I don't want to do what those guys are doing.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, I was like, right, right.

[Tyler]

I don't want to be back here as 82nd Airborne, 1st Airborne. And like, I don't want to be in the woods for three weeks.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I used to love this job. Like, sure you did, Mike.

[Tyler]

I'll tell you what we. I'll tell you how we cheated. We used, you know, little cards you had to carry around the kill card when you got killed. Yeah. So we would keep the kia, which means we were dead in one pocket.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And the return to duty in the other pocket.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I knew the football schedule. I knew when the tees were playing. I'm like, all right, it's Saturday. If I get killed today, my first heart's going to kill me. So I'll get the return to duty out, stay in the woods. And then we'd be like, okay, now there's going to be a. The Giants are playing at 1:00. Today's Sunday. I'm going to get so if I got shot, police, the kil and we went home. Yeah. You guys had to stay there for three or four weeks. I went home two, three days. They reset us and then they recycled us back to the field so I could just pick the day I wanted to go home. I was like, you know what? Today's the day there's a whole company. I'm just gonna ride the middle of this field and start shooting.

[Brent Tucker]

And they didn't just respond you somewhere else. Like when you're dead. Respawn.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, red White cross was the operations control guys. Red cross was the actual. If you got injured, the white cross would pick us up, take us to, like, a staging area. They would say, you're going home. You'll be back in two days. You're going here, you're going there. We also had, which happened to me once, was a. I got captured.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, did.

[Tyler]

You're talking days in your cell phone. Your family has no idea where you're at. I actually got captured by the unit, interrogated by their interrogation unit, brought to a base, transported by helicopter to another base. And they drilled me about my. Because we wore the fake rank and all that stuff, they're trying to figure out what I was, what rank was. And we actually got interrogated for, like, days.

[Brent Tucker]

Did they do a good job of. They were pretty good rolling up.

[Tyler]

They were pretty good.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sure you guys know almost as soon as you see them in the field if these guys are. Are, you know, taking their job seriously and here to play, or if they're just going through the bushes.

[Tyler]

We would watch them.

[Brent Tucker]

And you gotta know almost immediately.

[Tyler]

Yes. We would be like, that's not an infantry unit. We could tell these are like transport guys. Yeah. I mean, we had. We had the option to silent kill. So we could kill up to three people silently. So we would sneak up on three or four guys sleeping.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Grab the OC and say the OC operation control guys, we grab them. Be like, I'm killing him, him and him with this knife. And he would just walk up silently. Be like, you're dead. You're dead. Then we're like, well, C. Four blocks we could plant. So I'd get like 20, 30 guys sleeping by a tree, pop the C4 things, stick it over there, tell the O.C. there it is. And then I'd sneak off, and they would throw a flashbang.

[Brent Tucker]

Boom.

[Tyler]

And it would be a explosion. We would kill them.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember if there was like, one unit just particularly that came through like, that's the best unit that came through here. Or like top three or something. Like some, some actually went to military.

[Tyler]

Went to Chaffee and did some special forces guys. So we played out four for them and that was obviously a huge difference. And I went three or four days without seeing anybody. That was our job. They like haloed in.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And we're supposed to find them, see if we. Good stuff. I mean, I went three or four days, never saw a soul. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But it's cool to hear that because at the end of the day, I mean there's, there's, there's people you put up on a pedestal and then sometimes the curtain gets rolled back a little bit. You're like, ah, they're good. Not as good as you think. But you know, it's always great to hear.

[Tyler]

The 82nd one's very squared away. The bigger unit again. We would know when we stumbled upon the support guys. Yeah. And we would, you know, we'd get out. The Avengers guy. The guys with the Avengers. Avengers set up.

[Brent Tucker]

That was my first unit.

[Tyler]

Yeah. We would get up on them and blow the building, blow the things up. We were just walking through the middle of the field and they're like, who are those guys? Different. Nobody even paid attention to us. We're like, whatever. And then you would see like the, you know, we got. There's some units, like they said, the 82nd, 101st. They were pretty squared away guys. They. We knew we were battling them when we were battling them.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Which is. I'm. It's such a great simulation that, that in the 90s there wasn't war. I mean was the closest thing a unit had to, to. To validate themselves and validate their tactics.

[Tyler]

See it as visiting, but, you know, they built all those villages out there. Shar Gordon, two of the biggest heroes ever to live. They built Shugar Gordon Village. So it was a brand new, state of the art village. 10 story buildings. And they hired civilians from town to come in. And they had them pro government, pro American. And then down the middle, we would capture these people, we would debrief them. We would sneak around these tunnels and there would be three different phases. Like we would jump in and like assault them. We would dig in and they would assault us. And then we'd have like the warfare in the cities. And it was really cool stuff. I love the way they.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I spent time in that city because on the, on the contrary, I was captured by OP4. So I decided to sit in this.

[Tyler]

We kept. We would capture like the humvees we could actually take the Humvee and the driver here just had to have the driver with.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

We would get the driver and we would be all over. When we knew where to go, we would go out days at, you know, before you guys got there, we would.

[Brent Tucker]

And they'd lose that vehicle. Yeah, we had the old plugger.

[Tyler]

We would plug our, our water, which.

[Brent Tucker]

Was, which was a, A gps. It was like the first gps, like the size of this coffee bag antenna.

[Tyler]

As big as this microphone. And it was very inaccurate.

[Brent Tucker]

We probably should have said this a little bit before we got. But I think everyone can figure it out now. But for those who aren't, you know, military, what he's talking about is JRTC is the, it was the, the military war games, you know, and, and, and it, we, they. It's been going, you know, how long JRTC has been going on there.

[Tyler]

I mean there's guys I've talked to into this.

[Brent Tucker]

I was going to say 70s. Okay. So. And they still do it to this day. And it's, it's a huge, it's, it's just a massive war game. It's where our military thing you'll ever see. The whole brigade division can move down.

[Tyler]

There and every helicopter is in play, every vehicle's in play, every human's in play.

[Brent Tucker]

And they have these mock villages, they have these mock enemies, which is what's. What your job in the military was. To be a mock enemy for our forces was really cool. And I really do think it plays a huge role in keeping our forces.

[Tyler]

Remember that was just before 9 11. So what I was doing, we were just breaking into that urbanized. Everything we did initially when I got in was in the woods.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right, like Vietnam.

[Tyler]

So as the, as it progressed, we had just started that urban assault. The villages, getting in the tunnels, getting clear buildings and CQB was just becoming a thing where we were just starting to learn that stuff as at that, you know, 96 and 99. Because it wasn't a thing until, and.

[Brent Tucker]

There'S absolutely no, no substitute for war. But I mean, if we didn't have ntc, which is the desert version of it out in California and JRTC and Fort Post. Right, that's right.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

We, you know, we, we just. When the G walk kicked off, as much as, you know, we had to learn in real time, we'd have been so much further behind because we still. You do cut your teeth in those.

[Tyler]

Everybody remembers like you remember going, everybody remember.

[Brent Tucker]

Everyone remember.

[Tyler]

Everybody I talked to has Been in the military. Tell me the month in weeks they were at jtc.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and there's, there's actually two things that, that it does, it does, it definitely helps out on a, in a tactical, on the ground environment, those guys doing their jobs. But I think what you don't realize until you've been doing this longer, it's so hard to simulate command structure and to simulate logistics. Logistics wins wars. A command structure flowing from, you know, a brigade to a battalion to a company to a platoon. And the flow of information, the, the communications part of it just, it. There's no other way to actually see if you can actually have command and control outside.

[Tyler]

It's like running these massive like active shooter scenarios.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

You can't. Everything goes good in practice. You know, if you're doing it by yourselves and you're out in the field and you're throwing the touchdowns, everybody catches the ball, everybody scores. But when you get the, like you said, a brigade that has to communicate across even just an army base in Louisiana, communications up, make sure you're not bombing your own guys, make sure things aren't going, you know, mortar strike and then the simulation of actually doing it, like we can go out and go to the range and shoot. Everybody's accurate at the range. When you start jumping out of a airplane with a mortar tube and a 60s machine gun and you hit the ground going 27 miles an hour, then you got to get up and walk 15 miles and all that stuff, you can't simulate that in training. Other than that real aspect of jrtc, it was good.

[Mike AKA Copville]

The young, I remember the young lieutenants were failing miserably there. But we traditionally conventional units would go to JRTC before they deployed. That was like they would go a couple months out.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

And they would get all their failures out of the way.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes.

[Tyler]

We would talk to the guys. Where are you going? Three months we're going here. Four months we're going there. And it was, you know.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Because again we got captured. We took talk to these guys and. But yeah, that, that thing that's still going on. And again how, even then when you think like 96, 97, how accurate that miles gear was and how realistic that training was.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I had a, A very, I don't want to say he was roided out Lieutenant, but he was a big dude college football player and he had a temper and he went and he was getting pissed and he flipped the role players drinking table. That was out of play. He just flipped it like this because he was so pissed off. And we're like, so you can't do that. That's their water.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Like I said, it didn't get. I, I got interrogated, I got taken. And one of the coolest things that happened was, I tell you, flying in a Blackhawk, I'm sure you, I've done.

[Brent Tucker]

It a million times was never, never gets old.

[Tyler]

I went, yes. And I went, I did. I went to Air Assault school in Fort Drum of all places. Instead of going to Campbell, they sent me to Drum. In January of 19, Snow was this high. I remember coming down the road with the gloves and my hands would just lock up. But the cool thing was about being in Blackhawk. I got captured at JRTC and the pilot got shot down. I guess to them that's like the biggest. No, no. I imagine we're sitting on the ground and the guy, oh, he's telling me he got shot down. We're facing, I'm in the back of the helicopter captured. And we go from facing this way on the ground to facing that way about a thousand feet in the air and about two seconds. And I'll never forget that. Like any roller coaster anything you've ever done in your life. That feeling was like. I still remember it to this day. Like what the power of those things. That helicopter just was.

[Brent Tucker]

They're amazing.

[Tyler]

And then he was pissed off and he was bending it and I'm just, yeah, in the back, I'm like half buckled in. I'm like, bro, I'm back here, man. Nothing.

[Brent Tucker]

It's cooler than a nap of the earth. Helicopter ride at full.

[Tyler]

Unbelievable, you know? Yeah, well 150ft up, just bending the trees.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't expect to spend so much time on, on your tourism but it was. I love that topic because it's a really cool topic. It's not something I think that gets talked about a lot and it's such.

[Mike AKA Copville]

A. I've ever met anybody that was opt for.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I've only met up. I've only met one other person.

[Tyler]

We talked about MEPs. I will tell you on the paper when they finished my thing, I remember in my head seeing the word op4.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I don't know why, I don't know how I got selected but everybody I joined with did got three four year.

[Brent Tucker]

And you didn't even know what it meant at the time, did you?

[Tyler]

They did four year commitments and everybody went to Korea there last year I only did three and on the paper at MEPs, I remember leaving and in that, in my head I can still see the word OP4 written on the piece of paper. I had no idea what that meant. And that's where I ended up.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and tell them what? What OP for opposing forces.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Those opposing forces, the fake enemies.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what they call the enemy opposing force.

[Tyler]

Od green uniform. We had our own rank structure on our different rank structure on our shoulders. We wore a black beret while we were in that uniform and we looked totally different and they had to. You know. Your guys job was to figure out what our rank was.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

What our insignia meant and all that stuff. So cool job.

[Brent Tucker]

How was that? Transit. So you, you go straight to being a cop in, in Louisiana then since.

[Tyler]

You'Re the police chief. But I came back. No, I come back to Florida. I come back to Florida and I get hired. I get out early because I had 30 days of leave left. So I got in March and I get brought right in as a dispatcher to the police department because the academy system, you know, waiting to go to the academy. I do just about a year and I join the academy and I graduate which I'll never forget my. I graduate the academy in like January of 01. And then I start my first day as a cop was February 15, 2001. The day Dale Earnhardt was killed.

[Brent Tucker]

The day.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that was my first shift.

[Brent Tucker]

It's powerful to you, huh?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Remember like who was killed?

[Brent Tucker]

Dale Earnhardt.

[Tyler]

My first shift like I. I'm sitting in the locker room, I'm working four to two.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, four to two shift.

[Tyler]

We're watching the race.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, did you watch it?

[Tyler]

I'm watching but I didn't know he died, you know. Yeah, we got like next house back then. No Internet. Oh one. So I see like the. We're in the. We had a gym in our. In the police department I worked at at the time. Last lap comes bar of Dale Rect. I was dealing our fan. He wrecks. I'm like oh, he's out. So we leave go down the road.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, he was out.

[Tyler]

We're going. My first call if you want to talk about that later too. But we're going to the first call and on the radio is they.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm like no, over the radio.

[Tyler]

That got put out. I mean on the radio I'm not in Alabama, I'm in Florida, man.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Until I'm only.

[Tyler]

I'm only an hour and a half away. End of watch 1033. All units BMIS.

[Brent Tucker]

Everyone shows up the shift the next day on those black intimidator Suns.

[Tyler]

We all had to go paint our face. Like, have my head out the window the rest of the shift.

[Brent Tucker]

No, I thought maybe I didn't realize what. Okay.

[Tyler]

No.

[Mike AKA Copville]

The impact Dale had.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

How long were you a dispatcher?

[Tyler]

It was about a year. Like, I had to wait for the rest of the hiring because I didn't. I got hired in. And then you had to get the dispatcher. Hiring was less than the company. So he hired me and said, I'll give you a job. Then I had to go through the whole background lie detector. Second part of it.

[Mike AKA Copville]

How fat did you get?

[Tyler]

So I came out of the army about one. I got fat the last, like, three months I was in. I came out about two, and I put. Started putting on the dispatcher cop league. So I hit the road probably about 210, so. And it got worse from there.

[Brent Tucker]

So as a dispatcher and. And as a dude. Did cops still hit on you, though?

[Tyler]

Yes. Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Was that.

[Tyler]

I don't. I banged the lieutenant.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I know a crazy dispatcher that's some.

[Brent Tucker]

Dispatchers either gonna love that joke or hate it.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah, we were in the academy, and one of the hard charging sergeants, they used to have them back in the academy. And. And he goes, guys, it was the post academy. We were in the. The little mini academy that the agency held after the academy. And he goes, I want to take you guys somewhere. We had a class of all dudes, 14 of us. He goes, I'm taking it to dispatch. So we're all right. We go up there, and then we were done. We learned about everything. We did. We met them all. He goes, do you guys know why I took you there? And I was like, no. To learn the process. Right? And he. And he was like, I wanted you to see the people behind those voices. That's how they get you with the little sex line operator voices. And he's like, I wanted you to just be able to see who you were talking to.

[Tyler]

What it did do, though, was obviously I got the radio confidence, so I knew how to talk on the radio. I knew all the codes. I knew. And we were going back to one. Let me tell you how crazy it was back then. I'm in the academy, and on Christmas break, I'm not sworn, I'm not certified. I'm in a full uniform, driving around a police car, working the road. Not sworn, not certified. I got a Beretta, I got a gun, and I'm over on the beach pulling people over during Christmas break, not even sworn. That's 2001.

[Brent Tucker]

How'd that happen?

[Tyler]

That's what it is.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a crazy shit. Okay. It's for stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Like my captain.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I've seen cops. I know how this works.

[Tyler]

I'm like, why not talk on the radio? I've been through some academy training. It would have been. It would have been JV team for life.

[Mike AKA Copville]

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[Tyler]

Revenge is an act of passion. Vengeance is an act of justice. Injuries are revenged. Crimes are avenged. Almost a century ago, big pharmaceutical companies re engineered medical school curriculum and faculty with one goal. Putting profit before progress. Anyone pushing back against the medical matrix they carefully crafted was threatened, silenced, censored, financially ruined or worse. They are the problem. We are the solution. You're clear to engage.

[Brent Tucker]

Initials Mike G Alpha. You're clear to engage with weapons. You're clear to engage with weapons.

[Tyler]

JV team for life.

[Brent Tucker]

How beneficial was it though for you to be on the other side of that of the radio starting your career knowing how important information flow is and what information people need to have and very important again.

[Tyler]

And like he said he went through there for to make sure that, you know, see, the chicks were fat. But he allegedly is that alleged.

[Brent Tucker]

Supposedly.

[Tyler]

I mean that's what you referred to. So. But so hearing the calls come in and knowing what, how frantic those people are on the other end of the line. Obviously now it's Live nine one. We all hear it. But then it was like, it was huge. It was huge to hear what questions need to be asked and even getting a new dispatcher that's inexperienced as a, as a road, you can kind of help them like ask and we do that. Ask them this. But to have the knowledge of how frantic it sounds. Like I took a call for a homicide as a dispatcher. Lady was in a. Showed an antique shop guy follows her in. She owns a place, walks in behind her, looks at a couple of things, stabs her like 47 times and takes off running. So I take the 901 call of I just walked in this business, this lady's dead. And to hear that, hear the franticness of the caller.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Then you're trying to get a description which way. And you know, these people aren't like, he's dead. Like, I don't know, like. So to get that aspect of the job was very beneficial. It was, it was huge in communication knowledge. What to ask what you're looking for. And then it gives. It does. And I'm completely joking. I have a huge respect for what they do. Absolutely. They have a hard job. They get, of course they get ragged on but they. I respect the dispatchers so much.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I'm an advocate for them.

[Tyler]

I think they do an excellent job getting.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I, I'm an advocate of, of them getting awareness for some kind of ptsd.

[Tyler]

I think they said ptsd. And I also think they should be.

[Mike AKA Copville]

High risk frs, because what they have to listen to.

[Brent Tucker]

What. You may have just said it in that story, but I was going to ask if there was a particular call that came in that, that, that rattled you.

[Tyler]

That was. That would have been. Yeah, that would have been it. Let me think. Dispatch. Dispatch. That's a long time ago. Yeah, I remember taking that. I can even tell you the guy's name. His last name is Enos. Was the suspect Tony Ray Enos?

[Brent Tucker]

That's crazy.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I can tell you where the antique shop was. It's so funny.

[Brent Tucker]

What you can't. You, you probably can't remember all the things you wish you could remember. And you remember things like that the.

[Tyler]

Corner of like 20th and 17th aviary ran right to his house. They caught him like in his bathroom, like washing the clothes, trying to get him off because they had a trail blood. They followed all the way to his house.

[Brent Tucker]

Was he just crazy?

[Tyler]

Yeah. He had success with the lady and like went in there. She was by herself. She was like an older lady but decent looking. And he followed her in and had an obsession with her and, and gosh. So that was it.

[Brent Tucker]

And then again, never understand that. That's my. Well, I've never.

[Tyler]

Guys, don't we joke about not answering the radio, but as a dispatcher, that's stress. Man, when you're calling some dude and he's like not answering now I'm not talking about like the 104 check at 3 anymore. I'm talking like a traffic stop. Now you're calling the guy and yeah, they're not in. You're like. Then you're in that weird spot like what I'm doing my hands like he's not answering systematically.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Everything starts shutting down.

[Tyler]

And again those dispatchers get the same tunnel vision, the same bad feeling that everybody else gets. They get that closed in like yeah, why is he not answering? And you know, like I said, they. I think, I think they do a great job and I think they've.

[Brent Tucker]

It's hard to get into the mind of someone like that. And this is a little bit of a, you know, facetious question, but it real at the same time. Like why if you're obsessed, you know, with a girl, like your answer is well I, I, I have to kill her. Like I'm obsessed with her. Like it's, it's usually a physical attraction, emotional attraction. People you like that much. You know, normal people don't come to the conclusion they have to die.

[Tyler]

And I can think like it's. I don't like that weird.

[Brent Tucker]

It's crazy.

[Tyler]

You're not in their brain. But that moment of like rejection of something you're so obsessed with, maybe that causes that unrealistic. What we can't really put our head type reaction to something like that.

[Brent Tucker]

Play the long game, buddy.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Bigger flowers.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah the so you go on the did were you with the same to police department for all 26 years?

[Tyler]

No, I went three, three and a half and change at one and then I switched to a sheriff's office after in 2004 I went to a sheriff's office.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's where you spent the rest of your career. So you split it up into two.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it was three and three and change. Well 01 patrol wise was 0104 city and then 04 to the year.

[Brent Tucker]

As a deputy what made you make the change? I the last person we asked us to said pay did you take a.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Has all the toys?

[Tyler]

No. Well at the time and the police department that I worked for still is very. They just, they don't, they don't do a lot. It's a very small. You know I think it's 12 square.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Miles if that not a lot of lateral movement. There's detectives got to die or they.

[Tyler]

Have like railroad tracks. You had to like ask the driver drive across. Like micromanaged. Very, very Micromanaged.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a culture issue.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And you start seeing it like, oh, you're gonna make dope. And again, you're right. There's two dope detectives in the entire agency. And you're like, oh, you're gonna make detectives soon. You're holding. And then I start, you know, you start scanning. And I was very proactive. I start scanning the sheriff's office. I hear, foot pursuit dog bite. Foot pursuit dog bite. And I'm like, what's going on here? And then I remember I had a deputy back me up. I pulled guy over in front of an apartment complex. And one of the deputy, I call for a canine. We don't have one because we never did. And a canine guy shows up from the sheriff's department, sniffs the car, alerts, and as he puts his dog back, walks back to the car, the guy takes the dope and puts in his mouth.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

First time I've seen this. We probably talk about this a lot because I was part of my career, I enjoyed was extraction of drugs from mouths. But I see, and he reaches in the car, grabs him by his neck, pulls him out. Body slams and starts like jumping. And then I'm hands them to me. He's like, here's. You go. And I'm like, what'd you do? How am I going to tell my sergeant? I'm like, this guy's bleeding. Yeah. He's got like. You threw him on the ground.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like, this is like 9 use of force reports at the city. I'm like, what am I going to in 10 years? What am I going to do with this? So I'm like. I remember going. But then at that. At that moment, I was like, I got to do that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. How do I work for you?

[Tyler]

I got to do that.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Traditionally in Florida, obviously, Florida has a sheriff's offices or sheriff's. Yeah, it's mostly sheriff's offices. They're green.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Everybody's watched cops or live PD they know. But back in the day, it used to be there used to be a lot less deputies than municipality cops. So the deputies would have a lot more territory to cover in the unincorporated areas of the county.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike AKA Copville]

And there would be, like, whether it be civil rest, a fight or something, the city cops will be out there, and a lot of people, you know, whether respect him or not, whether they're compliant or not. A deputy would pull up with his stick out, and everyone's like, dude, that dude doesn't around everybody.

[Tyler]

I experienced that switch. Just a green uniform yeah, it was a switch. And here I'll give you an example what he's talking about with unincorporated Incorporated. The city limits that we had five cops working in that one city was half the size of one deputy zone. So you had four or five cops bouncing in each other. And this little area where one of our zones was twice as big as that entire city.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So we would patrol that by ourselves.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Deputies were given the authority to police and.

[Brent Tucker]

And to some of the, the. The listeners, if. If you're not a first responder or you know, and stay up to date with it, it gets a little confused. Let's say you're from up north. Like when they're. They're. They're their deputies run the prison system. General, Generally speaking. And down south it's very different because the sheriff deputies run just like police officers by the. And. But they're run by the county and the police departments run by the city.

[Tyler]

I make. When I make my stupid memes and I'll say deputy, the northern guys will be like, oh, that guy's serving summonses. He's in jail. You don't understand that down here. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Deputies are running and gunning.

[Tyler]

Well, we're like the, like up north you got. The New Jersey State Police is like those dudes are running around doing all kinds of wild stuff. That's what I put the deputies as. Our highway patrol is more. Highway patrol. Yeah. And our deputies are like state police up north where they're. Yeah, they have a bigger area. They have more power. You know, we serve all the civil processes. The Baker Acts. And again, that was the thing with the city too, is like you go to a call and you have to call the deputy to come serve the Baker act. And you can't take them.

[Mike AKA Copville]

The sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer of the county. Meaning this is on paper.

[Tyler]

This is.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I don't think it's ever been practiced. He can take. Go to one of his deputies and go, you need to relieve the chief of that. And the deputy can come and say, chief, you're relieved. Perhaps her sheriff so and so that's how much power the sheriff has.

[Brent Tucker]

I think you just told me this may have been you. Maybe it's Nick the other day that I believe. Let me know if I'm right. That evictions are also carried out by sheriff deputies. Like, it's just weird that there's not. Not just territorial things, but also like specific.

[Tyler]

Anything from the domestic violence injunctions, Baker Acts, civil processes, evict. All that stuff comes from a deputy and the city cops love that because whenever they run in, those calls are like, you can't do it. They like, they like the measuring tape too. When the call is like, I one time had a call from a municipality where I was told on the radio that the incident occurred eight feet outside the city. Oh, it gets eight feet. That was specific to. And I almost wanted to pull.

[Brent Tucker]

Sounds like a parody.

[Tyler]

Like, let me see. They actually got that. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It sounds like a scene out of Super Troopers.

[Tyler]

It is.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, honestly, it does.

[Tyler]

There's pissing matches out there all the time.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Robbed. And we're like, show us. And we're sitting out there with OPD or the exact city. Show us exactly where this happened. And she's walking and walking, and we're.

[Tyler]

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

She goes, oh, wait a minute. It might have been. Then it's like, oh, oh, no, no, no, no.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then we get, like, intersections where it's like, the sidewalk is the boundary here, but on the other side of the road is the boundary here. And then the city cops are the only ones that know that stuff. Deputies don't care. I can drive into the city and make an arrest. I can drive in the city and take a report.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

They can't do the opposite. So.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

They know exactly where that line is, and they enforce that line. Like the goal line at a football game. That's the line right there. Like, they know it, and they're. They're gonna die.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. You end up doing some tactical officer work as well. Correct. What made you take that, that jump into the tactical world?

[Tyler]

That's a great story. So I go through, like, your most cops, and I talked about gaining weight. I actually got heavy. Went in narcotics for six years and put on super weight. I think I, you know, I'm about 205 right now. I think I got up in the narcotics in around the 250 range, and I couldn't. I was in bad shape. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Were you doing. Were you doing UC work as well?

[Tyler]

I came over Osceola. I came over here to Osceola County a bunch of times and did some undercover stuff, but Osceola.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm gonna say, you had to, yet you can't. You had to look apart. I'm give you a pass on that. I, I, everyone's like, no, he looks.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Like he sells math.

[Brent Tucker]

He's too fat to be a cop.

[Tyler]

Well, back then, and then I was hard buying crack to, like, this dude don't smoke crack. This dude don't smoke crack, man. This guy, this guy's looking for cheeseburgers or something like this guy. So I, Yeah. So then I get 2014, I take the hard stand. I walk in the gym for the first time in 2014. This is it. And years earlier. Talk about this on the live too, probably. I actually go on a vacation with all the SWAT guys.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And I'm every bit of like I said, 250 drunk drinking. And I bet them all in a drunken stupor. I'm going back and I'm gonna make the SWAT team. I'm quitting drinking. I'm throwing my Xbox away. I'm going to do it.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So fast forward. I try out in 2016 and I make it about 80% of the day, get in decent shape. No idea how hard it was going to be. One of our trial at our agency was extremely hard. Yeah, it was.

[Mike AKA Copville]

They are insane.

[Tyler]

I actually said the word I hate to say and I quit.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Optical course. I was just whooped and I'm scared of heights, so that's stupid rope. I got to it, I fell down like twice on the rope and I was like, I quitting. And one of the guys like just keep going, keep going, you know. And one of the majors heard me say I quit. And he was like the guy from Full Metal Jacket and he come over and screamed at me, threw me in the van. So.

[Brent Tucker]

So I've, I've run those almost all the SWAT off courses. They used to be the exact same. I've run a couple that they're, that they're very similar and they're fairly short as when it considered to like military offices. Military office supposed to be long.

[Tyler]

The military one is.

[Brent Tucker]

But. And so when I first saw this, I was like, well, that's just that little obstacle course. I'm used to big ones. What people don't realize is when there's a distance between obstacles, even though you're running, you, you can con, you can bring your heart rate back down. Those SWAT obstacle courses you can do anywhere. Three minutes is booking it. Five minutes is just maintaining a good pace and five minutes, that obstacle course will wear you out. I have seen plenty of people not even finish a five minute obstacle course. There's usually courses you're.

[Mike AKA Copville]

By the end of it, you're redlining.

[Brent Tucker]

You're just redlining the whole time and.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You'Re going off gross motor skills towards.

[Tyler]

The end and just like rolling out.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Of the thing and trying to grip.

[Tyler]

In our tryout, it was always in the last part of the day. Yep. Because, because we didn't have. We didn't have our own range back then. So we went to the next.

[Brent Tucker]

You're not even doing it fresh.

[Tyler]

We went to the next county over. So you're at like, you start at 6am and you're at like 3, 3:30 in the afternoon in August.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Running an obstacle course. So I actually failed in 2016. I didn't try out in 2017, and I was on the fence in 2018 and somebody I knew ran into a guy on the team and said, oh, yeah, Mike's thinking about trying out. And he said, oh, he won't make it. He said, I saw his trial the last time. He won't make it. And that was a day. I walked over to my computer, typed it. I had about two and a half months to prepare. And I went through and I made.

[Mike AKA Copville]

What would Dale do?

[Tyler]

Yeah, flat paint. I was like, this is it.

[Brent Tucker]

How. The first time you went to the, the SWAT tryout, you said you, you kind of started at 260 and you went to the gym. Like, I'm done.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I went well too. It took me two years. I went from 2, 4 to 2014 about 250 and I got down about 212. But I wasn't. That's a. I didn't have. Yeah. Significant. I got the pictures. I mean, I did. I did some work and I didn't have. But I didn't. I didn't know. Here's a real thing that got me. I didn't know. I had no idea what CrossFit was.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

My SWAT commander at the time, Lonnie Rich. It's about six, five. Looks like the Russian guy from Rocky. He's just a thick guy. So I had no idea. I'm prepping for the run. I could run the mile and a half and back. I mean, Even then at 212, I was running a mile and a half in the tens. Oh, I was cooking. Yeah, I was ready for that. I was ready for the pull ups. We had to do pull ups, push ups, sit ups, bench press. I was good on everything. I had no idea there was a CrossFit. And it was before the run. Okay, so I walk in the gym, I do all the stuff. Great pull ups. And they're like, okay, you're. Now you're gonna do 500 meter row. I'm like, I've never seen that machine before.

[Brent Tucker]

What is that about a real machine?

[Tyler]

20 wall balls. Okay, you're gonna do 20 burpee, box jump and some other thing. Well, by round Two of that. I'm done. I'm finished. That wall ball weighs like 3, 000 pounds. I'm trying to sling it up there. It's a miserable.

[Brent Tucker]

Was it how many rounds you could go? Is it a time?

[Tyler]

Three rounds you just had to finish. So I finished probably. That was brutal time. Yeah, I finished. And then we go to the track. Well, I'm running 10 minute, 1030 mile and a half leading up to this thing. Right. So I'm in the. I think I ran broke 10 a few times. I go run like a. Do you give a 12 minute? I can run like a 12:30. And they don't fail you if you fail one thing, but it's an overall comparison of the day.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

In my head at that point, I'm like, I'm a slug. Like, I prepared for this thing. I was supposed to blow it away. I'm in there with all these guys and I'm older than everybody else too. At the time. I'm 30, almost 40, I think. No, 30. Yeah, 40. I'm 40. And all the guys I'm trying out with are much younger.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I'm like, man. And I just. When I failed to run, I'll never forget one of the guys I ran across the line and I yelled and he looked right at me, said, you failed. And I was like, man, that hit me right here. Yeah. Because I'm like. I didn't want to hear that word.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

I failed. And he's like, and I thought I did fail. And it was like the rest of the day from that point forward, that's like 10:30, 11:00. And I know what the rest of the day, I kind of know what's going to happen. But in my head, that was like the beginning of the end for me. I was like, you got it?

[Mike AKA Copville]

You got it in your head.

[Tyler]

I did. And then when I got to the obstacle course and I got to that rope, I was like, I'd already up. I'm like, I'm done.

[Brent Tucker]

Do. Do they. I don't know where. Do they do a good job of keeping the events somewhat secret or do you. Or do. Or is it fairly known?

[Tyler]

It used to be. I remember it was so secret when they went to the high school track. They would watch the map. And I was sitting a mile away and I got a phone call from one of the lieutenants. He said, drive your ass out of here. Get away, Go away. And I was, I was kind of like, what are they doing?

[Mike AKA Copville]

I like where Ed's at.

[Tyler]

So he's like, get out of here. So they, they kept it very strict. Now, I went through once. I, I knew they. They swapped it up. We switched it.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

There's part where you go in the ocean. There's part where you go in the water. There's part where you do the obstacle course or shooting. So they would. And I was, you know, I was there for another. I was on the team six years, so I was there for another four or five tryouts as a member. So we always kind of rattled the cage because everybody's chit chatting about what next, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

But they did a good job. Like I said, the CrossFit. I went through the whole prep. I went to the obstacle course with all the guys to do prep. One of the lieutenants on the team helped us prep. Never said anything about CrossFit to any of us. So I gotta watch you break. And I was like, damn. Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

My experience was they wanted you to know they were very transparent in what you needed to do. And on top of that tryout day was probably the least amount of stress you were going to experience in your SWAT career, because they were just there to see if you could do it. That's it.

[Tyler]

I mean, it's a combo that's pretty tough.

[Mike AKA Copville]

That's like the calmest I've ever seen Eklund, because he just.

[Tyler]

It's.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You either did it or you don't.

[Brent Tucker]

I, I, I don't know which way that I would prefer. And that's a good approach because I love both of them.

[Tyler]

You're taking the mental stress, and I get what those guys are assessing. Like a performance unstressed is this guy can make good, critical decisions.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

And then you have the other side, where high stress. What's this guy gonna do? Is he gonna fold? So it was like, I can see both sides of that.

[Brent Tucker]

I like the unknown because I like to see how people prepare and, you know, and. But it's a. I don't want to say unfair. I can argue both, but it's a little bit unfair if you're gonna throw something at, like, you. If you don't know what to prepare for, like, you know, it's. It's tough.

[Tyler]

It's different now. They've changed it. They've gotten better.

[Brent Tucker]

But I, I like it. Like, there's something to be, you know, said because it really gets in your head. And, hey, at the end of the day, you can. Other people successfully found, you know, you know, found a way to succeed through this. I'll tell you Why I like the, the transparency part because if you fail at anything, I have zero sympathy for you. You knew exactly what you're getting into and you didn't prepare for it. This is completely on you. I like both aspects. I don't know which one.

[Tyler]

We knew the standard. The standard was the standard. It was bench press, push ups, pull ups, dips, sit ups, run and oh. Course at one point was a seven minute time on the O. Course they ended up getting rid of it and then some shooting drills and there was, you could like fail one event. They said, okay, you fail one event, you can continue. And then you had the CrossFit and they actually changed it. Now where you have a known CrossFit event, you have a time cap and then you have the run. So if you fail the run by 10 seconds, but you make the CrossFit time cap, you're okay. So there was a little bit more transparency and I think obviously I'm an older. Yeah, I think as we get a little softer with society, people they're making things just easier, in my opinion. So you get a little bit more knowledge of what's going to happen versus like my day was like, show up buddy, and we'll. You'll see what happens.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a half joke because I, I know it wouldn't look well, but like, oh, I got one failure. Oh, this CrossFit event. Okay, I failed this. Let's, let's continue. I get one fail.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You wouldn't be allowed to do that. No, you're not doing that. I promise you. It's like basic training day one. From the time you start to the time you finish, it's.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, you're getting assessed.

[Mike AKA Copville]

SWAT and military though, it's like, like fs. FS is probably a way bigger world. So in swat, you show up to trials and you fail in a weird way, you're in with them now. They know you want it as long as you failed on good standards. Now they don't care that you know the thing and they'll go to you and go, hey, you know, we expect you. Your first test is to not tell anybody about this.

[Tyler]

Yes. Right.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You know, we don't. That's your first. Can we trust you? Now you're in. You didn't make it. We want you to come back. And then it's almost like that's your hangaround time now where you get to meet the guys. The guys are like, right, we want to help this guy succeed.

[Tyler]

And that's the newer part with the agency that I was at is. Now they do that and they start to get a group of guys doing group workouts together. And they start to. But again that gives, I agree with that because it gives them a time to assess these guys. Like here's a random Tuesday. How much effort is that guy putting into this random 5am workout? Is he, is he dogging it or is he hustling knowing we're all watching? Because every day is right. Every day's an interview. So it's like is this guy gonna dog it on this random Tuesday and then what do we expect him doing an operation or is this kid showing up every day and busting his ass and giving it 100 and you get a chance to assess him. So even though he knows that CrossFit's coming, how's he performing on it every day? Is he getting better? Time improving?

[Brent Tucker]

I'll play that devil's advocate on that. I don't like group workouts, you know, especially with, with, with recruits in a specialized unit like that. And I'll tell you and I, and I'll tell you why if I have, you know, if I have to tell you, you know to be here, you know, and we're going to work out with you. This like that type of job is really all about a self starter. You know, being a self starter. Once you get on the team, the guys who, who flourish on that team are self starters because they'll never give you the enough training time, enough range time, you know, the best, all the.

[Tyler]

Equipment do it himself.

[Brent Tucker]

I need you to, I will give you the information. I don't have a problem with that. But you have to do it all yourself again.

[Tyler]

When I, that's what I didn't. Other than going to the O course, everything else is on us. When I, when I tried the first time and the second time was like. And there you go, buddy.

[Brent Tucker]

People can disagree with me but, but they'd be wrong.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Where all this, all the secrets lie is SWAT school.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

And that's where this, they bump up the stress and you got to do things where they adopted from, you know, they adopted some things from Green Beret which is the, you know, you have to figure out how you're gonna get this to there.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Those problem solving exercises are huge. I love those. What, what'd you think about SWAT school? Was it what you was expected? Did you know much about that part going in?

[Tyler]

It was, I think it was harder than I expected it to be. I, I good. I really do. Yeah, it was a good wake up call. I Think it was a good for the guys that weren't in the military. I think it was a good assessment to see how they respond to being woke up, being uncomfortable being those type of tasks. And I, again, going into it, having been in the military, I was like, oh, yeah, just watch school. It'll be a week. They were on. You make sure your car was locked. Like, small things, like, making sure your car's locked. They would steal your guns. Yeah, I remember that there's a big dude from Gainesville who. Oh, God. He left like, three different times. And I was like, this dude's gonna lose his mind. At some point. He kept. But little things like that, like, and then guys were like, oh, I can't run at the. At the. The OC Thing where they. Where the gas does. So he guys, oh, I'm not. I'm hurt. My leg hurts. You can't run. I'm over there doing sandbag cleats for, like, three hours. I'm like, man, I can run. Like, I'm not doing that.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you. Do you feel like. Of course, some people are just. Are just wired right? And even at a younger age, and those are the outliers, I think. You know, obviously, your age probably worked against you a little bit at. At the beginning when it comes to, like, the selection part, you're 40 years old. It's not too. Not easy, but dealing with stress and dealing with problem solving, you know, as an older, you know, swap member or, you know, trainee, I feel like that you do have the upper hand a little bit by having life experience underneath your belt. Dealing with stress.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And again, being in the military and. And having the time of being on even before swat, being on long calls and being stuck, you know, so you feel like you.

[Brent Tucker]

At that point, do you. Do you feel like at all that. That your age maybe was an advantage at that point?

[Tyler]

Definitely, Definitely SWAT school where it. It sucks. And you're like, okay, so. And again, the younger guys, I think were. Had a harder time with that mentality, like, they wanted. We got to do something. We got to go where? Almost like, hey, man, we're here for a week.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Big picture, big picture.

[Tyler]

We're going to be here a week. We're going to get woke up.

[Mike AKA Copville]

We don't need to sprint.

[Tyler]

We need to run.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I'm going to teach you guys about.

[Tyler]

The airborne shuffle for a young and old crowd. And I think we really had a decent class. Like, nobody really did anything stupid. Like, I hear some of the SWAT schools, like, there's some real like, oh.

[Brent Tucker]

I bet there's so many good stores. I mean from SWAT schools other than.

[Tyler]

Like a couple cars left open. I mean we got woke up a cold. I don't really think we had any real morons in our clan. I don't remember anything crazy.

[Mike AKA Copville]

No, I mean they run a pretty tight.

[Tyler]

It's.

[Mike AKA Copville]

They run a very, very, very respected SWAT school too.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And it's a great. I mean that's a great play. I actually went to the Marshalls week long Marshalls Academy up there.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

They do up at planning. So.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah. But. And each.

[Brent Tucker]

Now I'm asking some naive questions. Each SWAT school is run by the, by the entity that, that you're trying out for. There's not like a, there's not like a, a regional SWAT school. It's all done by your fsa.

[Tyler]

Florida SWAT association runs the one in Blanding. So they get like maybe 45, 50 guys. You have to go get it.

[Brent Tucker]

So FSA runs the SWAT school that's there. Okay.

[Tyler]

That is random. Like you got on south to like Miami and. Okay. I think even some cities close to me, they run their own. I think like Martin county maybe runs their own. You're south, but FSA is fsa, so.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

They run like a big.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I think Lake county has their own too, don't they?

[Tyler]

Yeah, there's a, There's a bunch of them that have their own. But this is put on by Florida SWAT Association. So you like limited spots, 50 spots.

[Brent Tucker]

How, how often they run it a year? Once a year.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's in.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

They used to be in Mar. I think they've changed it now to May.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Well, that's a good one too because you don't have to be on a team to go. So if you're interested in SWAT, but you're 19, no military, no experience, but you want to be SWAT, you might not have the experience to get to. And I, I'm speaking from experience. I know that they did this. They would be like, you're interested in me as well. Why don't we send you to Blanding and you go do their week long. And that'll give you a week long of SWAT school. And now you can come try out for our team with SWAT experience.

[Brent Tucker]

Are you certified at that point you're not on a team, but you get.

[Tyler]

A certification, FSA certification.

[Brent Tucker]

So let's say you go, you take that route and you, you get the SWAT certification and you try out for the SWAT team and you make it. Now are you you're going to go.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Back to of school.

[Brent Tucker]

You're going to go back to another school.

[Tyler]

I know they made. Yeah, I know. Guys, there was a, my friend, I think it was a Lake county guy I talked to at Roundup that switched from Citrus to one one of those counties and they actually the new team made him go back because I went, we went to school with him. I can't remember his name and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I had to go back again. So they, the new team, even though he'd already been through fsa, you're going as this agency and you're going back through. Okay, so he went twice.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow.

[Mike AKA Copville]

How.

[Brent Tucker]

And how long did you serve on the SWAT team For six years.

[Tyler]

I've. I left right as I was leaving. Yeah, until I left. So from 90 or. I'm sorry. Oh, 2018. I made it and then I was off this year. JV team for life.

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[Mike AKA Copville]

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[Brent Tucker]

Again. This is because you're older, you and you'd been in the law enforcement for a while, you'd seen SWAT teams work. I feel like you knew what they did. But now that you're on the team, was it, was it different? Like, ah, this wasn't exactly what I expected. Not in a bad way. Just it was a little bit different.

[Tyler]

Obviously, timing wise, we went from busting the door, running in the old stuff to now we're into that surrounding call out stuff. So I got to that. I got to that transition too. So we went from like dynamic. When I first made the team, we were still on the dynamic side. That's made a lot of people mad. Here's this too. I mean my dope days. Talk about reckless. In my dope days.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah. Because they flush it.

[Tyler]

We were going through the door. I remember going through the door in shorts, a Giants jersey that was about a 3 XL. My vest. And like I had never done one rep of CQB. I had no idea what I was doing.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm just getting there fast.

[Tyler]

Dealers man over drugs. I'm kicking doors, running through.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Because the way it works, the way it typically works is narcotics will want to do a search warrant on a house they have. I can't speak for every, but a lot of them for liability. They have to submit a packet through swat.

[Tyler]

Yeah. We call it a threat assessment.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Look at it and go.

[Tyler]

We're good.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Based off of everything, we're going to handle this search warrant. Now. Narcotics is not the first priority for swat. Zero safety is. So they could flush everything you just worked for.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You could go in and there's nothing in there. SWAT's like, high five. Everybody goes home.

[Tyler]

Man. You said cocaine going down the toilet. That sounds crazy. I have my laser right on his forehead while he's flushing the dump.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And you're like, that's what we were here for.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

No. So I got to see both sides as a, as a very heavy narcotics detective.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then the SWAT side and then I got to see the difference. Like he's saying, I had no idea what a threat. I just gave the SWAT guys a bunch of information on the house.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And they said, yeah, we're hitting it and. Or no, we're not hitting it.

[Brent Tucker]

Maybe they're two very different jobs that are hard to compare. But did you enjoy your. Your narcotics time more than your SWAT time? I mean, were you just ready for a change and, you know, and that's.

[Tyler]

Why I. I was so. My narcotics was crack. I was.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Crack time. Not the pills. The pills was coming at the end of my thing. I did enjoy the job, but the stress of having an undercover in a house and being responsible for them. I can't explain how stressful that is, especially when. I mean, any cop. It's your brother, you know, your sister. Female. But. And then when you know them.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

And they're in there buying guns and.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And you're. It just the years that must have taken. The stress of sitting in. And I'm talking back in my dope days. We had a cassette recorder. So we got a Kel. We have this big box to be able to hide in an undercovers or a CI's car.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I hide a big ass antenna somewhere under the car somewhere. It's going in and out. It's garbage reception. It goes out. Can't hear it. The cell phone game is still new, right? Yeah. And you're sitting in the car and you got a cassette recorder. And what do you say? What do you say? And you're like, the stress of knowing that your buddy's in there.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Buying crack or buying a gun. Oh, oh, you got a gun. It's a nice guy. You're like, oh, God, it's terrible. It's a terrible feeling.

[Brent Tucker]

It'll. It'll. It'll make you lose your hair. Won't.

[Tyler]

My hair was like one of the.

[Mike AKA Copville]

First things I ever did as a young cop was I was the outer detail for a narcotics thing. And they gave me a bunch of tools of extraction tools. And I was like, what's this for?

[Tyler]

Never seen in your life. Right?

[Mike AKA Copville]

They're like, casey gets captured and they walked away.

[Tyler]

I'm like.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Like, he could get captured in there.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Give you like a random hall again. You're like, what is this thing? What I do with this thing? Yeah. So that's. That. That time was very stressful and being under. I did a lot of undercover stuff. And that is. That is. We always see the yawns and you nervous yawns. I remember. I remember doing it. You'd be sitting at the table doing the briefing beforehand, and all right, you're gonna go in. You get that nervous yell, like, God, dog, I gotta go in this house. I gotta buy dope. Like, you know, I did a lot of stuff. A lot of crack neighborhoods and like I said, Osceola county, cocoa. It's scary, man. I don't. And I think, again, in this job, you should be scared. In this job, in a lot of situations.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, yes. I'm talking because complacency kills.

[Tyler]

Back then, this is how unorganized it was. I had a Glock 21, okay? Huge Glock jammed under my hand cannon. I had no shirt on, so I'm fat.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

No shirt hood. I got, like, my necklace on, and I got a Glock 21 either behind my back or under my leg. And I'm wearing like a. Back then, we had like, a garage door opener or like a tape measure that's got a bug in it. And that. That's my. That's my system. Yeah, that's my system.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, I'll. I'll. I'll ask it differently. I'll ask it this way then instead of like, you know, which job did you like more or perform or. How about this? You have to go. You know, you get to go do your career again. But you could only. You only get the option to do one or the other. Go back to narcotics or. Or. Or go the SWAT route. Which. The SWAT route.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I think. I think being a street cop is the most important thing. I think we never spend enough time learning to be a good street cop. I had three on the road at the one agency in a year and a half, so I had four and a half. When I went into narcotics, I felt like. My personal opinion is five years is the mark work. When you hit at five years, you. You don't have to call your sergeant anymore. You can pretty much handle every call. You're not calling your zone partner.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So I was just short of that. So I had just hit the. The. The stride as a street cop. Okay, but then what happens when you hit the stride? You're like, oh, look at that narcotics guy, man. He's driving a cool undercover. Yeah, that guy's over there. So I. I think.

[Brent Tucker]

Because I'll be honest with, the narcotic stories are crazy. And they do sound cool world.

[Mike AKA Copville]

And they. You almost have to be like, re. Like brought into long. Like, we joke, like, your boy went feral in our class. Because they don't.

[Brent Tucker]

They.

[Mike AKA Copville]

They forget their cops. So, yeah, they when you like, they don't act like that around upd, but sometimes you'll see them acting in their own environment, honestly. And you're like, you can say that.

[Tyler]

The two most stressful thing, like, I think anxiety was my first pass in basic training when we got to go out for the first time.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I remember the stress of being in the mall and I had not been around normal people. And then when I went back to the road, I remember doing my first traffic stop back on patrol after narcotics.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Yes. And I was like, this is crazy. Like there's cars driving by and it's like there's people. And I'm in a. And again, I'm in. I'm in a small. I'm in a smaller town where people know me. Yeah. So it's like, hey man, where's your beard? Like, what are you doing? Why? Why? But the fact that I went six years with nobody, really, I could blend in. Nobody. I could hide. Now everybody knows. I'm like, I'm in that uniform again. I had a lot of anxiety readjusting to the patrol area.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you have any anxiety knowing that you were playing another dude, not a cop, Running into those people that thought you were someone else and now you're back in uniform, you know, overtly as a copy and that there be some sort of bleed over from that.

[Tyler]

I'm telling you how stupid. Like my memory is terrible or great. I mean, I'm gonna tell you example, I remember I put a guy in prison for life. Got three life sentences for drugs. Go back to patrol. And one got overturned because the. The UC actually lied about the Christmas lights in the parking lot. And the defense attorney was able to beat the case because what do you lie about? It was a female UC and she said, yeah, I remember the Christmas lights were on in the parking lot and I could see another car and I know that was him. So we had did two trials on this guy. He gets found guilty by a CI only testifying. We have a second, he gets life gets a second one, and they. We lose it. Then the fourth DCA overturns his first one because he tried to fire his attorney at the last minute. So this dude's in limbo and this case is gone. Guy named Savinti Ross, black guy walks up to me. I'm standing in on the street doing a traffic stop. Yeah. Pull up next to him. He looks at me and he goes, michael. And he says, my last name, it's on my badge. And he goes, randy Brown's gonna kill You. And I said, what? He goes, man, Randy Brown sits in that jail all day. All he talks about is you. And he is going to kill you if he ever gets out. He knows where you live. Yeah. He knows where your kids go to school. He says he will kill you if he ever gets out of print. I looked at him as I was not getting out, but I'll never forget that feeling. And I had that happen multiple times where I had a guy come up to me one time and say, say, they know where your kids go to school.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

They know who you are. They know your schedule. They. The way you study those guys and their drug patterns, they study you and the feeling that goes through your head. I. Young kids and all that stuff. And I'm thinking, man, all this over crack now, it's like, it doesn't seem as cool when you start having that smack in the face that these guys know more about you than you think. You're not just some untouchable cop. You're. You're. They know you.

[Brent Tucker]

That, that. Not. Not that I ever had to deal with that. But the reality that police officers deal with that hit me when I started, you know, working with. With law enforcement and, and hearing stories like that and made me realize I go overseas, you know, we. We kill bad guys and we make enemies, but they're a half world away. Like, when I. When I come home, I never worried about, you know, someone on our target deck, you know, coming for me. I never worried about that. But you guys live in the same community that you guys put bad guys away in. And it's crazy.

[Tyler]

One of my first big deals was you couldn't go.

[Brent Tucker]

You could go to lunch, just go to lunch and run into someone you put away for 10, 15 years.

[Tyler]

My first big deals was 2 ounces of crack back in before, when Biden was against crack, before he became in.

[Brent Tucker]

Favor, they had to crack, which is many, many topics.

[Tyler]

Five grams of crack got you, I think 10 in the feds and over 50 grams of crack got you like 25 in the feds. So I do a crack deal with a guy and he goes to federal prison.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I walk in the jail with a warrant. I'm back out of dope now. I walk into jail and he's returned for court, and I don't know it. And he looks through the thing, and I remember the door was shut. It was a glass. One of the glass doors. And I look at him. He looks at me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And I. Again, that was one of those moments. And I walked over to the control room. And I said, I don't care if this jail burns down. Do not open that door. That door does not get open under any circumstances. I quickly did the ones like a warrant arrest. I quickly got. And I got out of there. I checked that guy's. He's in federal prison. I look him up all the time. He gets out in 20, 31. And like, that guy terrifies me. Like, when he gets out of prison, he's gonna spend 20 something years, 22 years in there.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like, what does he have to lose?

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

It's those stuff he thinks about every day.

[Tyler]

Every day. And again, you go on through life and, you know, you run around again and just a regular cop putting people in jail. Now, again, I've put people in jail for a significant, significant amount of time.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

And that, that is something that most people will never. And it's not a brag, it just it. When you're young, you're not thinking about it.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly. Right.

[Tyler]

Your kids are young, you're not thinking about. You're going to be retired one day. You're going to be not a cop one day. You think you're invincible as a young cop. And then you get to this point now and you're like, man, well, a guy could come for me at some point and like, it's scary as is that.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that, Is that something you worry about for him at all? Is that, is that something that. That crosses your mind as well?

[Tyler]

No, I think you have to compartmentalize.

[Brent Tucker]

It a little bit. Right.

[Tyler]

Or else it'll just consume you.

[Brent Tucker]

She's.

[Mike AKA Copville]

She's a cop too.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

How to, how to ask his wife. You don't get a chance. Yeah, obviously. Hey, I mean, it's not, I mean, it's. He's not dealing with this alone, you know, I mean, it's, it's your life. It's, you know, it's, it's everyone. You're with him or you're associated with them, you know, as well, I was.

[Tyler]

Decent about carrying a gun. Now that I'm done, I. I wear a backpack and I can get to it from right here. Yeah, and it's, it's, it's, it's again, it's not having the cop status, I guess, is another, like, weird thing. And maybe that guy goes, well, dude, she's not a copy. Yeah, it's just misdemeanor battery now. Or he can't articulate that he's a cop. And if I do XYZ to him now, that he's not.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Can they charge somebody accordingly?

[Tyler]

I've seen it go back and forth.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I think if, like, worst case scenario.

[Tyler]

I think you have to be working.

[Mike AKA Copville]

If worst case scenario, a copy. Former cop gets killed by an inmate they put in, would they be able to charge them? Because he did it.

[Brent Tucker]

Because he did it when he was. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. I'll. I'll ask you a question. Has to do with. I guess has to do with future you. Do. Do you think that'll ever go away? Do you think you'll be in your 60s, 70s, and at some point be like, okay, like, it's, it's, it's all. Do you think you'll live the rest of your life?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I will.

[Brent Tucker]

Within the back of your mind.

[Tyler]

Pretty anxious guy. And. And I definitely worry about those things. And like I said, the longer sentences, I have them all in my head. I know where they're at. And like I said, most of them are life. I got a lot of those guys, but there's other people that. Another case. I worked like a massive wiretap investigation where I know one guy got his sentence reduced and he's out. His brother's out. So it's. Yes. I always, you know, and I walk into Publix and there's a guy. I walk in here and, you know, and, you know, we're not a big. You know, I'm not in a big, huge city. And you think of that stuff happening, but it can happen anywhere. The things that are happening in today's world, it's. It's. It's. Well, I do. I do worry. And it's. It's stressful.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I'm not telling anything that you don't already think about, but now I'm thinking about it because you're talking about it. And it's not just them locked away. It's. It's their brothers who aren't locked away that, you know, that want revenge. You know, it's. It's their homeboys, it's their best friends. It's. It's the. It's the, The. The drug money that. That dried up because. Because you. Now you're affecting everyone's livelihoods and they blame you. So it's not even the guys necessarily in jail that you have to worry about.

[Tyler]

I'll never. So vest is a huge issue for me. And our detectives are terrible about wearing them. And I had a. Actually had a captain when we. When I was in Pl. I work plain clothes, regular general crimes at some Point. Had to wear the church clothes, I call them. Had to dress up the tie in the church clothes, even on follow ups. And I guess I could have thrown the vest on. I should have. But it was like one of those things where you actually, like, was against it. Like, you gotta look. I remember going into a store in the hood to get some video. I'm standing there, and all I have on is nice dress clothes. Yeah. Pretty little gun, pretty little badge.

[Mike AKA Copville]

And your half off Chipotle badge.

[Tyler]

Yeah, my half. I got no taser, no vest, no tools. And I'm standing there and we're looking at surveillance video and all this stuff. And this guy looks at me, big guy Mike. He says my name. And I'm like, yeah, man, you put my mom in jail.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm like, there it is.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. We don't have a radio in there already in the car. And I'm like, huh? And I'm pretty savvy with like, talking. I'm like, oh, no, man, that was you. It was right here. You right? And I'm like, yeah. So my buddy is not paying attention. He's like in the office with the dude. I'm like, hey, man, I'm like, I'm like, starting to take like, this is going down. And it didn't. Yeah, just think about, like, there's a situation. I'm just pulling video. Mind my business. And this guy's like, you rested on again, mom. That's real big deal.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Don't ask people's moms.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, I get that. It's like, golly, man. So it's, It's. It's the stress of all that. And again, like you said, I. I look at like, big cop tech, like, you know, big cities, even, like you guys a massive agency, and you going overseas, like those. Your chances of running into the same people are a lot smaller.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I live in 200000 people. 220000 people in the county. You see everybody.

[Brent Tucker]

You're right. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Publix at the store. You there, that guy rested. That guy.

[Brent Tucker]

It's stupid.

[Tyler]

And like I said, most of the time it's not a big deal, but when it is, it's gonna be.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a big deal until it is.

[Tyler]

It's a big deal. And it's like, nope. And here's the other thing was I did. Even though I grew up there and did some stuff there, I still did undercover there. And I did a lot of things where I feel like nobody had the foresight to think, this guy's got to live here.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

This guy's got to live here the rest of his life. He's got to raise kids here. His kids got to go to school here.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you still live there?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you really?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Yeah. I mean, you really do have to have. Every cop has that plan with his wife. Like, if I say, take the kids and go now, you take the kid. You don't ask, like, why, if we're at the grocery store, at the mall.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Which I think a lot of men have that just. But, I mean, certain men.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

A certain group of men. Yeah. Half that. Yeah. Absolutely agree with that. At 23 years. Did you know it was time? Yes. Okay.

[Tyler]

Were you counting more than one reason? I knew it was time. It was. It was.

[Brent Tucker]

If you don't mind me asking, what. Like, what were those reasons for you?

[Tyler]

Again, some of it I don't want to talk about, but there's just at.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Some point, a meme page.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The admin stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

We're getting to that.

[Tyler]

The change of the. Of you can be. But in one minute, and I'm sure it's the same way in the military. In one minute, you're out the next.

[Brent Tucker]

And the culture can change.

[Tyler]

So go as far as to. I'm not gonna say lie or fabricate, but they will make you look as they want to make you. Yeah. To get you.

[Brent Tucker]

No lie.

[Tyler]

They'll dig stuff up and they'll twist stuff sideways, and they'll just make you look to be, like, the bad guy.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Just like Drew said.

[Tyler]

And I'm not perfect. I've done a lot of dumb things, and I think street cops will do dumb stuff. Guys that push the envelope.

[Brent Tucker]

I've been right.

[Tyler]

I. A's. I've been demoted. I have no problem talking about that kind of stuff. I've. I've. But some of the reasons why things happen.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

I don't want to talk about are. What I think is wrong with the culture of law enforcement right now is because if you're not in that. And I'm not. I'm not some conspiracy guy, but there are circles and there are things that happen where they will just run you over. And again, I'm not perfect.

[Mike AKA Copville]

They launch, like, a smear campaign against you.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, Todd, you say this. I'm a butcher a little bit. But, you know, if you don't clash with leadership, you know, you're. Are you really doing Your. Are you really doing your job?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean, it's a different way of saying it, but, you know, like. And I feel like you should.

[Tyler]

And there's a lot of times there's not where it really. To a degree, there's not a standard either. It's. It's. This guy's in. This guy's not. This guy gets these allegations. This guy doesn't. We're gonna add this charge of this guy. This guy doesn't. And again, I've done stuff I deserve to be in trouble for. I have no problem admitting my fault.

[Mike AKA Copville]

That means you're a good cop.

[Tyler]

I've done stuff. I've been like I said, everybody. When everybody kind of figured out some. Oh, you've been demoted. Yep, I was. And I was demoted. I have no problem talking about it, but the reasons why I was devoted don't match.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

The overall. What happened.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I think a different way I guess is saying it or maybe a better way for. For me to grasp it is if. If at no point do you clash with leadership. You're just a yes man. And if you're a yes man your whole career, you. You pretty much stand for nothing. You stand for whatever the ranks. But you'll.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Well, I mean, I'm in the boardroom for a company. If I'm the CEO, so much good is going to come out of my guys who care so passionately about my company that they're going to argue with me for what's best for the company. That's what I want.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

You realize, you know, when I realized it was up, when I got promoted and I got started getting into those meetings, and I'm looking at the. And I'm thinking, two times I sat on an oral board. Once when I was a new detective, they said, hey, sit on this oral board, and you're going to watch these interviews of these detectives. You're going to take the notes and do this. So I watched the entire oral boards go down. And I looked at. I knew who did the best. And I was like, that person's gonna get it. Got it. And when it got done, I walked up to the lieutenant. I'm like, hey, man. I'm like, man, that person rocked it. They're gonna get it.

[Mike AKA Copville]

They're up.

[Tyler]

They're pretty new. He goes, no, these two guys are getting in. Like, we had that written down before we got in here. Yeah. Like. And I was like. And I was. That was about eight years in. I'm like, Then I started going to these supervisor meetings. And I'm sitting there with these captains and lieutenants, and I'm listening to this stuff go down, and I'm like, what? I'm like, we're gonna do. We're gonna do what? Like, that doesn't even make sense. We're gonna run a burglary detail, and we have no data on burglaries happening that time. It sounds like an overtime grabber. Like, I would start to hear this stuff go down, and I'm like, what is going on?

[Mike AKA Copville]

Sounds like a lieutenant needed a project to capture.

[Tyler]

So it started to get. It started to get like crazy to me that the things that were happening in these meetings and the things that were being said, and then I start voicing it and not too much. Like I said, yeah, I went promoted and demoted in a year.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So it was like, as I started to question.

[Mike AKA Copville]

And they'll just. They'll use a reason.

[Brent Tucker]

They'll find a reason for sure.

[Tyler]

No, they got me. I mean, well, like I said, how.

[Brent Tucker]

Did Copville start up? Where. Where's. Where's the beginning of that based on.

[Tyler]

So I. I go through a really rough year and a half with a lot of things that happen at work. Not just emotion, but some other personal things that happen. And I come out of it and I think it's funny. I'm like, this is great. Like, they got me good. Like, so I make a couple admin memes. I'm like, admin this, admin that. And I end up sending anonymously. Yeah, I. I don't. I don't even have a page yet.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I'm just, like, throwing memes.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You didn't get this from me.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You didn't get this from. I'm sure all you. You guys send memes around related, just your own. IT guys are sending group chats, and this guy screwed up. Let's make a meme about. So the memes, you know, I start making them. I fire them off to, like, my buddy, my man. They're pretty. Pretty funny. And then we all have the same trauma. We're cops. We all have the same. Other than the word goon, everybody hates that. But we all have the same trauma of, like, cops. So it's pretty simple material. I mean, it's no rocket science behind it. So I started making a couple memes, and I end up sending it to 10, 8 memes. I'm following some cop pages. Yeah, memes. I send him one or two, and he's like, dude, it's funny. He's like, it's Pretty good stuff. And he's like, you should start a page. And I'm like, I ain't got time for that. Like, you know, whatever. So I don't know if you follow Hoodville, which is like all hood related stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'm like, I just started following them.

[Tyler]

What sounds funny versus like Hoodville. So it'll be like the hood for cops.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I start the page. May of 23, I throw the page together.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Tyler]

And I start that.

[Brent Tucker]

That's it. Because you, your growth has been off the charts.

[Tyler]

Pakistani and Chinese followers, that's all they are. CGI. I got like 27 apps, man. There's, that's what I've been accused of. But yeah, so I, I, I, I start the page and i10, eight memes kind of collab. I don't know if you collab. You can like, together. Yeah. So he like starts collabing them. And then it's funny because now that I talked to a lot of the meme pages, they all thought it was him like trying to boost a second page.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So yeah, like, he's collabing. He's collabing. They're getting good views. They're getting good views and I'm starting to get followers. And then they're like, he finally like, hey, dude. He's like, everybody's talking like, I'm you, you're me. Like, I can't collab you on every meme.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

No problem.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And I just keep posting.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And it just goes wild.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you have a, do you have a favorite post? By chance? Is this a post that either did really well or for whatever reason you were just like, really proud of, like, man, that's a. I'll tell you how to post.

[Tyler]

So I'm so infant in not knowing what I do. I go grab my first logo. Is some patch. It says Bozo PD on it.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So I like save it so that I can slide it onto the pictures in the story. That's how I do my memes. You like, put it in the story, slide the little logo up, put the logo.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I own this.

[Tyler]

So I make one, I make my first like 25, 30 memes and I get to one. And it's like a whorehouse in Thailand and it's a lady walking, it's a dude walking in and she's like, what you want? Foot job, suck job, this job, that job. And I make the meme and it says when you accidentally leave your body cam on, you walk in the ER and the nurses get a Hold of you.

[Brent Tucker]

So it goes bonkers, right?

[Tyler]

3, 4, 5 million views.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Tyler]

The algorithm?

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Tyler]

I'm laying in bed, like. And again, I have to be completely anonymous now. A mean page cop. All the stuff I'm posting there's obviously dry, nasty.

[Mike AKA Copville]

It would have beheaded you.

[Tyler]

Well, I told him, and I told him. When I finally told him who I was, he's like, you're gonna get fired. If anybody. Oh, yeah, I'm done. So that goes, wow. Well, I'm laying in bed one night and. And I get a dm and I look at it and a guy goes, where did you get that logo? And I'm like, Internet. He's like, I own the copyright to that logo. You have till like, midnight to, like, get it off your memes or I'm going to, like, sue you.

[Mike AKA Copville]

So I'm like, welcome to the meme territory. There ain't no court of law here.

[Tyler]

And I'm like. And I'm like, man, if this guy makes a stink, then they, like, subpoena my Instagram. Everything was under a fake name. And, you know, look, date of birth, everything was fake. And I had. Login was fake, email was fake. So I'm like, what do I do? And I stress, and I. So I delete everything I got. So now I got out of the algorithm. Zero. I got no posts. So then I gotta, like, start. All I did was repost them all, but I had to. Yeah, I had a dilemma. So I. Right, I don't know what I'm gonna do. And I have some, like, stupid little melty face as my new logo, and I'm like. And it's just not catching on. Nothing's working. I'm, like, not getting back in. And. And I run into my buddy Nick, and this guy, and he ends up saying, hey, man, I'm an artist. Like, I can help you out. So out of the kindness of his art, he's like, I'll help you out. So I pay him, like, 40 bucks. He designs what the logo is now. So I stick that logo in there, and then they. I just start rolling and it gets back in, and you, you know, you kind of like. It's like a wave we talked about earlier. Like, you get in, you post, you get out, you get in. And it starts going and it just. I don't. I don't. I telling you, I've never paid for anything because, again, now that I have a business side of it. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's what I'll talk about next.

[Tyler]

So go ahead. What would be the, like, if I wanted like, like my tick Tock days, if I wanted something like that, then I wouldn't having like a million followers to look cool, like, oh, let's get this guy to make money in business. That doesn't mean anything. Who's going to the page and who's going to buy your products?

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Tyler]

That's kind of where I look at it now. Like, you can say all you want, like, this business is doing well.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And. And as. As always, I should say, as always. But it's always ironic. There's so many people who go into things wanting it to be a business, and it never takes off. And the people who start something never wanting it to be a business, and it becomes one. It's this. The Ira. The irony of that statement.

[Tyler]

One of the biggest things I get from the smaller meme pages is I want to sell merch, I want to sell stickers, I want to sell stuff. My first sticker went for sale May of this year. Right.

[Brent Tucker]

You have. You have 120, 23,000 followers.

[Tyler]

And I. At in May, I finally hit like 60 May of last year.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Tyler]

May of this year. So I've doubled it since May. I got to like 65.70. And that's when I decided I'm gonna give this.

[Brent Tucker]

You went from 60, 000 in May. In the last six months, you've doubled from 60, 000 to 123,000.

[Tyler]

I shut my page off during that time for a little while, which got me back out of the algorithm again.

[Brent Tucker]

That's.

[Tyler]

I closed the page down for like a month and a half. I thought I was gonna get doxed by somebody figured out who I was. So again, I went into panic mode and turned the page off from like April to May.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then. And that guy was in the process of designing our first few stickers and then, you know, doing my logo, and I just disappeared on them. So I didn't even attempt to sell my first product until it was like 60,000 followers. I felt like that's a good number. I got some traffic, I'm getting videos. People are starting to DM me that they like the page. So I'm like, okay, sounds like a good time to start.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you know how. And I might catch some heat from this statement, but it doesn't make it less true. Like, do you know how hard it is to get over 100,000 followers and not do it as an attractive female?

[Tyler]

That's what I Got.

[Brent Tucker]

You could, like, you can. You can. People get upset at that comment all the. You know, all they want. If you're an attractive female on social media, you will get tens of thousands of followers.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Literally just shaking your ass.

[Tyler]

Instructor. Some places. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, tell me. Prove. Prove me wrong. You can't do it. And to do that through funny memes is amazing.

[Tyler]

And that's where the hate comes from, is it's impossible. It's the dumbest thing. And again, I'm not. I don't brag. A don't. I think it's stupid, it's silly, it makes money. But what it's done is it gives people an outlet. And I know. I mean, honestly, once everybody figures who I am, I get my own meme sent to me hundreds of times a day.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Oh, that's hilarious, man.

[Tyler]

Whoever made that, I'm standing at SWAT training and, like, three dudes sent me my meme from an hour ago. And I'm like, man, that's crazy. So it's like. So, yeah, it's. It's.

[Brent Tucker]

I'd like to have a beer with that dude. He's at school.

[Tyler]

And it's just like.

[Brent Tucker]

It went crazy.

[Tyler]

So I. And I start, you know, I. Even when I started my first four stickers, I didn't have a website yet. So I was doing it by like, oh, that sucks. Actually, I was doing Venmo, so getting the Venmo pay, and they're putting in the description what sticker they want, or they're forgetting to put what sticker they want. So now I just have a Venmo name and a screen name. And I'm like, trying to figure.

[Mike AKA Copville]

You're trying to keep everything together.

[Tyler]

Oh, right, yeah. And I'm like, mailing it stamps for, like, the first month. And then I talked to this dude. I'm like, hey, man, we gotta get a web. We gotta figure something out. This isn't it. So I went website. And then I'm stressing, is the website gonna have my name attached to it? Are they gonna be able to subpoena it? Are they gonna be able to look it up? Are they gonna be able to see it's me? And I'm like, yeah, so I'm buying a P.O. box in Maryland. I'm like, Canadian company for my website address. Like, I'm stressing about all these things. And then I go with, like, the website, and it just explodes. It just explodes.

[Brent Tucker]

And what all do you sell on the website?

[Tyler]

I sell stickers, hoodies, beanies. What's the website called Copville. Www.copville og.com because it was taken. They wanted like five grand for it. So I added the OG for OG. Like an OG.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I go www.copville og.Com and then go to that store and we have like I said, everything. Phone cases, flags, patches, stickers, hoodies. And then I started a second company as well. So I'm trying to spin off on.

[Brent Tucker]

Another Dogs over Humans, Dogs over people. Dogs over people. Yeah. Okay.

[Tyler]

Over people.org. yeah, that website.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

That's a spin off because I sold a Dogs over People hoodie on the Cobble site and it had Copville below it.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I found was People. If you don't know this like animals better than cops 100.

[Brent Tucker]

100.

[Tyler]

I'm in Seattle in the airport in Liberal City and I can't send the lady asking me about the dog shirt to the page. That's gonna have Trump picture.

[Brent Tucker]

Smart.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I gotta figure this out. So I went dogsoverpeople.org and that's off to actually a better start than the Cobble. Not.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not surprised, but I am not surprising.

[Tyler]

That side of things has taken off pretty well, you know, locally because now I didn't have to hide about. And that one, right. So I'm like in the gym wearing the hoodie and oh, I get stopped 20 times a day wearing that hoodie. Dogs over people and oh, here's my way. And I send it to them and orders come in. This guy buys one that guy's wearing in the gym and now it's spreading.

[Brent Tucker]

And well after this, be prepared to sell two or three not times, just two or three more shirts because of this episode. It's just be prepared, you know, and I dug prepared.

[Tyler]

You know, I'm most going to talk about this on the live, but I dug up Jerry Worms from Cops episode one.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And the first guy ever on Cops and he has been like the biggest blessing and the nicest, most humble dude. His family is amazing and they have pushed the Copville thing and the Dogs over People thing. Like the celebrity he really is and he's the most humble guy.

[Brent Tucker]

That's awesome.

[Tyler]

He is just a good dude. Those videos are viral. That's another like huge viral video. Was the Jerry Worms first he's yelling I'll shoot you in the back when the guys run away.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, he's got the.

[Mike AKA Copville]

He's got the radio in his hand.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

He had issued agency issued nunchucks back then.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it.

[Tyler]

Broward county issued nunchucks back Then if you went through a special class. So I run into.

[Brent Tucker]

If you went through a special class.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Ninja school.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So Jerry kicked me the other leg. And he. Him and his family have been great. I'll never forget that. The day I, you know, ran into him, somebody had sent his wife the meme I made. His wife danced me and said, I'm Liz Worms. I'm Jerry's wife. And I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, hey, if he ever. If he's ever willing to call me. Yeah, my number. My phone rings like, three seconds later, and I'm like, literally fanboying, like, on the phone with Jerry Worms going, this is the legend, dude. This is the. I'm the only white face in the neighborhood. You know, he's on TV telling some white dude, I'm the only white face in this neighborhood. Like, you. You can't say that. No, no. That whole mean you can't do anything. So, you know, he's beating the guy with nunchucks on the side of the road, and he's telling me these stories from all. He ran, like, a set team in Broward, and I'm going to let him tell his story, like, someday, hopefully here or if I end up starting my own thing, like, maybe he'll come on pre. His pre. Life before a cop is an amazing story. And then he becomes the face of cops. And it's just the coolest thing.

[Brent Tucker]

What's. That's. That's. That's the perfect ending. I. I love that. Can't end better than a nunchuck story issued.

[Tyler]

Yeah, look, you can get the Jerry Worms patch.

[Brent Tucker]

Get out of here.

[Tyler]

This is the patch. And his wife and son posted a picture of my. They have that patch on a shirt, and they're wearing jeans.

[Brent Tucker]

Street goons.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So we set up, like, a baseball card.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I love that.

[Tyler]

I've actually reached out to a couple of the other guys that have famous viral Internet meme sensations. And I've actually talked to Enos from gsp. The old slide across the hood, pull the guy out of the F150, talk to him. And I talked to Corporal Matt Spina up in Connecticut. The. It better be its original container. What Another great. Two great dudes, man. Absolute legends. And. And great guys.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Have you ever met the. Don't call me Poppy. I'm not.

[Tyler]

I actually reached out to him and I had. I got. Somebody gave me what I thought was his number. I tried to get a hold of him, didn't get a response. Back But I've talked to Spirit. Pittsburgh bureau of. No, he's Jersey dude.

[Mike AKA Copville]

I thought he's Pittsburgh.

[Tyler]

No, he's down like Jersey.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Because I met Petra selly was on Cops. He was working for the 420 group as an interdiction. I actually met him. He was the old Bendle guy. The guy you're running with your Bendles down the road. He's chasing around the heroin guys, but, well, you know. Cool.

[Brent Tucker]

You don't get out of here without one last question. Which is tell us a funny story.

[Tyler]

Oh man, you put me on the spot with a funny story.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Give you some time.

[Brent Tucker]

Give you some time.

[Tyler]

23 years, man.

[Brent Tucker]

You can go back to Fort Polk.

[Mike AKA Copville]

Something tells me £300. Yeah. In it with a Glock crotch.

[Tyler]

I'm trying to think. That's a spot. I can tell the bad. It's hard to remember good things.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And all the bad calls. I can remember those. I'll tell me. I mean, I've left radios on.

[Brent Tucker]

You happen to see me. Was that a Glock 21 on your leg?

[Tyler]

I mean. Oh, here we go. I got. Knew it.

[Brent Tucker]

I always got. Okay.

[Tyler]

I'm. I'm a city cop. I'm like six months in. We have this little black female runaway, Donna Napier. This is. That's how good my memory is. She's like 14, 15, runs away constantly. So I'm driving down the main road in the city I work in and I see her walking down the sidewalk and I'm on my way to 260. I'm not quite there yet. Driving down the sidewalk. So I'm like. I'm like a 1997 Crown Vic. I'm cruising. I'm like, looks like Donna Napier. So I'm like, I'm gonna get her.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Slam the car and drive. Jump out. Take off running after her. She takes off. Track star, you know, 14 year old black girl versus a cop wearing all that stuff. I'm running, running, running. I come in through a parking lot of a bank. I hit a stump and I face plant. Oh, right across the cement face. Everywhere. This, that and the other. I stand up and there's like three cars of people in the drive thru. I know all of them.

[Brent Tucker]

I am cut here.

[Tyler]

My radio's off, my gumbel's off, I'm out of it. And then like two minutes later, here comes the other guys. They caught her. They're walking her back down to the thing. And I'm just standing.

[Mike AKA Copville]

They're like, thanks Mike.

[Brent Tucker]

We got it from. You did you see her trip me completely.

[Tyler]

I mean, humble pie. Like, I'm not in the shape anymore. 28, 20, 27. And I'm like, it was just the most embarrassing thing. And of course, I heard about it. Think there was no body cam back then or anything?