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Adam Levantal
Hi there, I'm Adam Levantal. Welcome to the Athletic fc. Today we're going to be assessing what we've learned from the opening three match days of the season. And with me to do that are two learned men. Tim Spears. How are you?
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Raj Panjabi
I'm excellent. How are you?
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Adam Levantal
I'm very well. I'm very well. Have you enjoyed the opening phase of the season? Are you frustrated that we've hit an international break straight away?
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, it does. It does feel too, too soon. Although I enjoyed San Marino v Lichtenstein last night. So, you know. Yeah, that's what we're all here for.
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Adam Levantal
Every cloud, actually. Yeah. It was a lovely story, wasn't it? I was really glad that they won A game. John McKenzie is here as well. What have you made in general of the first 30 games of the season? Just answer that in one question if you can.
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Tim Spears
Yeah. Which I've watched every single one, of course.
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Adam Levantal
Of course.
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Tim Spears
But yeah, it's good. It's nice to have the raw material for my job back. Right. So I can talk about things that have happened rather than things that might happen. So.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah.
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Tim Spears
All good.
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Raj Panjabi
Good.
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Adam Levantal
Let's just whet our appetite because we are going to be going through the winners and losers ultimately from the opening phase of the season and wet our appetite with a little audio journey of what we've had so far.
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Tim Spears
Haaland has slipped in behind.
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Raj Panjabi
This is the hat trick chance.
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Adam Levantal
Did you ever doubt him?
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Tim Spears
Another calamity at the back for Southampton.
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Raj Panjabi
Will they ever learn?
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Adam Levantal
Seven minutes after the dismissal of Rice.
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Raj Panjabi
Arsenal are opened up and Fabian Herzl are has plenty to smile about now. Driver racing it in. And Sinistera have done it. One of the most extraordinary comebacks in British.
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Tim Spears
You can be so good for 87 minutes as Everton were.
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Adam Levantal
But if you have nine minutes as bad as those at the end, you deserve everything you get.
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Raj Panjabi
It's a day. It's brilliant.
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Noah Michelson
And Murphy's in.
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Tim Spears
He's sacked to his left. But Murphy does not.
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Adam Levantal
What an impact. Diaz and Liverpool all are fizzing clear. Indeed they are. Liverpool. Three wins from three yet to concede a goal this season. Let's start off with Liverpool. Reflect on that victory over Manchester United as well. You got the score bang on, Tim. A three nil win for Liverpool. And I do want to actually fight both of your corners if you. If you will let me. Because there was a little bit of beef coming our way that we were being too pro. Liverpool and a little bit too negative on United ahead of the game. You can listen back to it if you want. But you both got it bang on. You predicted obviously the score, right. You both predicted that Liverpool were going to win and it did pan out as you were both saying that Liverpool were on point and United looked like they've got a lot of issues still. You should be proud of yourself, Tim.
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Raj Panjabi
Oh, thanks. I didn't see any beef. A little bit of beef, as you say. I didn't see any.
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Adam Levantal
I always. I always see the beef.
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Raj Panjabi
Do you do that? Yeah, you delve into. You.
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Adam Levantal
I delve. I delve into.
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Raj Panjabi
Is that you've been protective of us.
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Adam Levantal
Yeah, I, you know, I want to protect you guys because, you know, I know that your integrity is on the line a lot. So I want to. I just wanted to check out what people were saying.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, I guess. I guess it wasn't hard to predict that United would have a. Would have a meltdown. You know, they'd had one a few days earlier and they were prone to them last year. I guess we'd seen it all before from both teams to an extent, right over last season. So similar players, only one different manager. It's not a completely unexpected result. Certainly seen it all before from United in terms of those utterly horrific defensive mistakes and casemiro and gaps in defence and vulnerable to a press. But I did expect more in terms of a fight from United. They had had elements of control in those first two games of the season and looked slightly more normal apart from the defensive mishaps. So, yeah, they had the worst defensive record for decades last season under. Under the same manager. The same manager was, you know, rewarded with a new contract and yeah, despite the fact that they've won two trophies in the past, as he's very keen to tell everybody.
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Adam Levantal
Yeah, what do you make of that? Because that's his. His default defense mechanism. And he got some. He got some beef from a. From a reporter basically saying, look, come on, you're not going anywhere. This isn't improving. And he did try and fight back with, yeah, but we've won two trophies. That's not.
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Raj Panjabi
It was a really odd exchange. He got facts from a. It wasn't like it was an argument. The reporter just laid out the team's many deficiencies and he looked lost. 10 hag. All he could say was quite pathetic, really. All he could say was, well, I won two trophies, so shut up. I'm sorry for your opinion, which is just nonsense and it's something. It's not the only time he said this. Mark Critchley wrote an article this week, kind of saying, look, he's been saying this all throughout pre season as well. And during the season that started pointing to his record. And he did it immediately after the Cup Final, if you remember, he went on the offensive with Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer on the pitch kind of saying, well, you've been slagging me off all year, but look at this. So that's not going to last for too long. But you know, United have backed him, they've given him a new contract, they've given him the signings that he wanted. He's got half the ajax team from 2019 now, you know, there's only Ryan Babel left to sign, but I think he's retired, so I don't know where he's going to turn next. So, yeah, he's running out of excuses, really. The international break came at a really good time for him.
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Adam Levantal
Are there any easy fixes for United? And I know we were going to talk about Liverpool and we've switched very much into United, but it looks as if, if Liverpool are a cohesive unit whilst United have still got a lot of things that they can sort out. Can he sort them out easily with the personnel and with his tactical mouse?
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Tim Spears
Do you know what's really interesting is that I saw a lot of people criticizing the defensive structure of Manchester United and just the general identity of tactical identity of Manchester United, which is always easy to do in hindsight after a game like that. But actually if you compare what Manchester United are trying to do with what Liverpool are trying to do, there's a lot of similarities. So in terms of defensive structure, both teams with like minor tweaks almost identical, and I saw people online saying, oh, you can't play this 424shape. You're just going to get pulled apart. There's evidence of Liverpool making the same mistakes as Manchester United out of possession. Manchester United didn't capitalize on those moments and there's a few moments they had where they, they could have capitalized on them and didn't.
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Adam Levantal
But why? Why are they not? Is it. Well, I mean, via the coaching, is it via the, you know, the triggers, the sort of awareness that they're not being pointed in the right direction?
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Tim Spears
Ultimately, yeah, I think there's this. Elements of. I mean, whenever you're doing an analysis of a game like this, there's so many factors that you have to balance off. You know, you have to ask, is the. Is the tactical structure or system that's being used plausible from the outcome, from the outset? Are the players enacting, Are they performing at a level that will allow that structure to work? Or do you think that maybe there's an issue with coaching? Do we think the coaches aren't able to instill the sorts of ideas that the players need in order to be able to get the upside from it. So all of those things have to be percolated around in your head in terms of making the most of the mistakes Liverpool were making. I guess you do need to be better in build up scenarios. And we've seen Manchester United haven't been particularly brilliant in build up. And I think a better team against Liverpool will start finding their tensions in their defensive structure. So you can argue that both teams are wanting to build up deep and then have these tempo shifts where they find space in behind quickly. Manchester United have been doing that pretty much the whole time under Erik Ten Hag. He's talked about wanting to be one of the best transition teams in the world. Liverpool are doing the same thing with slot, sort of more like Deserbi. So sit deep, bait, pressure in, find space in behind. Liverpool have been doing that in a way where I think it's a bit more sustainable. The build up. They're looking for the space, working through into the space and then doing their tempo shifts. Whereas with Manchester United it felt to me like they were doing the opposite. They're sort of trying to force those tempo shifts with hero balls. Right. So part of the reason why Casemiro is finding himself under pressure is because he doesn't have the buildup structure around him to make those more sustainable attacks that Liverpool are making. Right. So the first goal they gave away was essentially they built through. He got the ball and then he looked up and he was trying to find whoever was in the left hand channel and instead played it to Graven Birch who then set up the first goal. Now you can argue that's the same sort of tactic as what Liverpool are trying to do. But you can also argue that I think that they're doing it in a much less sustainable way because the passes that they're having to make are much higher risk than the passes that Liverpool are having to make. So again it comes down to yes, there's plenty of areas for them to improve in. But the tactical blueprint that's there is not a million miles away from the tactical blueprint of a team which we're talking about as being incredibly successful so far this season. So there's lots of little coaching details in there. We've done a Saturday show. Well, we've done a show, it's coming out on Saturday. And one of the things I analyzed in that was a moment where Casemiro is defending and it goes completely wrong. And Liverpool have a, a really big chance out of it and then two minutes later the same situation where he's defending and does everything right and Manchester United end up with an attacking situation coming out of it. So it's super hard in football. There's no hard and fast conclusions because it's easy off the back of a three nil loss to Man United to say everything they're doing is bad and everything Liverpool is doing is good. But actually the truth is far closer than I think a lot of people would want to accept that both these teams are trying to do very similar things. They've got different levels of players available to them. Some of those players are playing better or worse than others. You can argue about whether or not one coach is better at getting the tactical ideas across so that the for example out of possession structure works better for one than the other. But the reality is that there are a lot of tactical similarities between the two.
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Adam Levantal
Let's talk about a player that did perform well. You mentioned him a couple of moments ago. Ryan Gravenberg for Liverpool, key in the midfield in that performance at Old Trafford. Here's the Athletics Liverpool writer James Pearce on that performance.
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Tim Spears
In terms of dealing with everything that he's been presented with so far and in the context of Liverpool missing out on Zubamendi and everyone thinking oh my God, this could be the area where Liverpool have really found wanting. Gravenberg has been an absolute revelation. He won every tackle. He went in for four interceptions. I think it was seven out of 10 he won in terms of his duels and obviously we don't slot. I think it was Ipswich, wasn't it? He talked then about you've got to win your duels, you've got to have that physical edge in games and he's given Liverpool that as well as probably what we knew he had as well in his locker which is that creative spark and fantastic passing range.
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Adam Levantal
I suppose it's a sign of a team that's been prepared well over the summer, Tim, that he's slotted in into a different type of role.
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Tim Spears
We're just using the verb slot all the time of Liverpool.
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Adam Levantal
I didn't even realise I'd said it. Did I say slot a lot there? I didn't even realise. I'm sorry. But yes, he has slotted in well into a new role under Slot rather than Klopp. And good for him to have a dominant performance when there were those questions as James mentioned, of players that they missed out on over the summer.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, absolutely. They went hard for Martin Zubimendi from Real Sociedad and clearly they felt that there was a need to fill that position. But you've got to say it's the exact opposite approach to someone like Chelsea who would just go next on their list and try and sign them. Right. And Liverpool have done this in the past. They've been principled in the way that they work in the transfer market, very clear on targets and not necessarily bringing in players that they don't think will fit the system. So to not sign anyone other than a backup forward, it's pretty brave. You know, they've got the money to bring the players in, they've got a new manager or a new head coach with a remit to say, look, I want to refresh this. But he hasn't. He's playing the longer game and the early results are really promising.
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Tim Spears
I think it's quite an interesting juxtaposition in this game as well between the way that Manchester United dealt with the end of a dynasty and a coach, a dynastic coach leaving and you know, we're over 10 years on after that and they still haven't seemed to get the process right. Whereas with Liverpool they can make that shift impartially, part because of the process. Right. The fact that they don't panic in the market and they have a clear idea about the identity of football they want to play and the sort of players and managers who they want to enact that on the pitch means that they can absorb those kind of losses of one of the best coaches of all time. And yeah, I think that's what's so fascinating about this, that people will talk about it as if it's all to do with the manager slot coming in and doing this. But so much of it is to do with the processes being in place that you can absorb that kind of bump in the road.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, he's obviously left them in very good shape. But it also maybe suggests that maybe it was the right time for Klopp to leave. You know, if the players were all devastated that he was, that he was gone and didn't want to play for anyone else, I think we'd be seeing that in the early performances because we have seen in the past with, with Moyes replacing Fergie and Emery replacing Wenger, how difficult it can be immediately. So that kind, you know, he'd said himself he was very tired, Klopp. So maybe the players had felt that and maybe they felt it was time for a new voice as well. I think he was.
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Tim Spears
I think he was recognizing as well that he was in Danger of becoming a bit too much of a figure at the club in the same way that Ferguson or Wenger did, where suddenly last season it felt like Klopp was starting to actually influence the recruitment again. And we saw Michael Edwards had gone last summer and a few people left from. Ian Graham left from the data department and it felt almost as though Liverpool moving a bit too close to the sun here and going back to. And he's so dangerous not to do that. Right. Because when you have someone like Klopp who is a figurehead, it's so easy to just defer all decisions to them. And I think it's quite instructive that Klopp decided to leave and now they brought it back in Michael Edwards as the sporting director and I think they're moving back to that kind of model where it's like slot's a head coach. Right. Rather than a manager. And I think that's important as well.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah.
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Adam Levantal
And also to acknowledge the fact that Klopp was very honest in the fact that he just said, I've run out of gas, I need a breather. Which is maybe something that you could look at over Stanley park and think Sean Dyche could probably do with a breather at Everton. Considering their start, three defeats, heavy defeats against Brighton, against Tottenham and then a capitulation against Bournemouth in the final nine minutes. I think it was. Do you worry for Everton considering what has happened and the fact that they've started in exactly the same way as they did last campaign? And also the way that Sean Dyche is actually talking about it? He did basically say that the players should have managed that situation better, sort of almost moving the blame towards the players rather than himself.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not worried, Adam.
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Adam Levantal
No? No. Would you be concerned if you were an Everton supporter? And look, they, they wear their hearts on the sleeve and, you know, they've got used to booing and, and, you know, throwing verbal volleys at their own team at home over the last couple of seasons. But it's happening again. It's sort of Groundhog Day.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, definitely. It's too early to say in terms of are there going to be three teams weaker than them? Nothing's really settled with the new promoted teams yet. But I think the big problem for Everton is if things aren't working, what do they change? They had 14 players, I think, last week. It's not like they've got a depthy squad. They're not going to go out and sign a lot of players in January and if they're in a relegation scrap, you probably want Sean Dyche as manager. So if this is it for the rest of the season, then you'd be worried because statistically you've got to say that was one of the worst Premier League defeats of all time. Because no team has ever been 2 nil up later and lost, as far as I'm aware.
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Tim Spears
Yeah, that's true.
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Raj Panjabi
But the capitulation, they were completely in control. I mean, Iriola said after the game that Everton basically deserved to win it. Not that they did because they lost, but you know what I mean, they were completely in control. So it also could have been four or five in the. They were in, in utter disarray. They were just. The defenses had no shape whatsoever. They were all completely panicking and relying on Jordan Pickford for a couple more good saves. So, yeah, if I was a worrying kind of guy, I'd be worried.
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Adam Levantal
Adam, I do recommend listening to the episode this week that focused on the Everton situation with Matt Slater, with Paddy Boylan and also with Phil Hay alongside Ayaka Mulleri. Because it is a real mess at Everton on and off the field, to be brutally honest, because there's lots of stuff that needs to be sorted out and we're not, you know, enjoying it because it's tough for the Everton fans to have gone through this and it's out of their control with all, especially the ownership situation. But yeah, I mean, on the pitch, John, defensively they've looked all over the shop and that's a worry, especially from a Sean Dyche side.
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Tim Spears
Yeah. And weird, if you look at the numbers last season they were very much a mid table side. I mean they were, they were nothing special. But I've just looked at the numbers now and this season they're putting up an expected, well, half an expected goal less per game and they're conceding half a goal more in terms of expected numbers. So essentially that's a one goal swing. Right. So you can't sustain that kind of swing and expect not to be in a relegation battle. I suppose the good thing here is that we're only three games into the season, so you do have to take that with a pinch of salt. But in terms of what's happening on the pitch, I mean, they've lost Amadou Nana, who is a player who went for £50 million, and a lot of people thought would make us the step up to the elite level, you know, like proper, proper Champions League challenging side. Didn't happen. But is that Kind of level of player and you know you lose, you lose a player like that and replace him with Tim Mirabunum and you know that that is just. It is a step down despite I think Mirabunham being impressive so far given the context that you've come in. So yeah, you can't sustain a drop of quality like that without seeing issues. And I think the Premier League now has become. I think in the bottom half has become. You can be teams who have very solid structures and good coaches but you still need to have those difference makers and losing someone like Inanna, I think who is a difference maker at that level can have a knock on effect.
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Raj Panjabi
But also not refreshing. The team has still got same as Coleman right back. I know he's a loyal stalwart but he made some bad.
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Tim Spears
He was covering for Ashley Young, right?
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, exactly. Everton fans like, yeah, most of them will tell you shouldn't be anywhere near the team as the Young. And then you got Michael Keane who's still there. I know they're missing Jared Branthwaite at the moment, but I think Kieran Trippier was perhaps an option on deadline day, but not the kind of thing that they can do financially. So yeah, like I said, what do they do in January? How do they fix this with personnel? They probably can't.
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Adam Levantal
They're going to have Armando Brogia to come into the side when he's, when he's fit. Also in terms of difference makers, Illiman and Jai has, has actually he did have a good game against Bournemouth. So there is, there is sort of positivity there and maybe yes, as you mentioned, we are only three games into the season so maybe we shouldn't be going too hard in on Everton. But I would have thought that the fans are thinking, right, come on, we can't go through this.
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Raj Panjabi
But it's like it's that kind of club, it kind of, kind of invites itself into this sort of spiral where you know that with the.
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Adam Levantal
Well, especially if you can't refresh the team as well.
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, but it's this sort of apocalyptic sort of, sort of feel. They, they all latch onto it quite quickly and it's a cultural thing at the club.
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Tim Spears
Do you think that though that they sort of thrive? I mean I know that Sean Dyche has this record of starting seasons off badly but last season it felt as though that points deduction really motivated them and gave them steel. I don't know whether or not Dyche finds it easier as a coach to motivate his players when you can have that underdog. Everything's going against us. Let's get fired up and make the difference here. Do you think that that makes sense?
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah.
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Adam Levantal
But I think from his point of view as well, when he first went there, yes, he was in a bit of a firefighting sit, but he also wanted to go there and prove that he wasn't just a firefighting manager that can keep an unfashionable side in, in the top division. So I would have thought that he's tough for him. He's getting frustrated. It has been tough.
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Tim Spears
Of course, no one would want to be in that context, given the difficulty off the field and on the ownership disputes.
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Raj Panjabi
I was really disappointed that the interviewer didn't ask him on Saturday about Oasis tickets, because they had after the Carabao cup win over Doncaster in midweek and he was like, oh, yeah, that was good. No, you were really excited.
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Tim Spears
I really enjoy Oasis.
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Adam Levantal
Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the time nor the place.
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Raj Panjabi
But you've got to do it, surely. Go on. Yeah. Would have been funny.
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Raj Panjabi
Hi, I'm Raj Panjabi. From HuffPost.
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Raj Panjabi
And we're the hosts of Am I Doing It Wrong? A new podcast that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.
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Adam Levantal
Want to understand better and bring a guest expert on to talk us through.
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Adam Levantal
Subject to credit approval so we've mentioned, and hopefully for Everton fans it does sort of turn around and they can pull away from the bottom and not have an entire season in the relegation battle. Let's hear from our data writer Mark Carey on At what point the Premier League table begins to reflect the final.
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Noah Michelson
Standings Everyone is understandably excited about the first three weeks of the Premier League season, but as a data analyst, my role is to cut through the noise and focus on those hard, cold facts. And the fact is that we really can't read too much into the Premier League table at all after the first three games. I mean, with such limited information and a few shot results along the way, I think it's nearly impossible to base any strong conclusions at this stage of the season. You might be able to still spot some interesting tactical patterns that might show a change in a team's approach in or out of possession, but my advice would be to steer clear of the numbers for the time being. As a nice round figure. The table does tend to truly take shape after about 10 games of the season, and there's research to back that up as well. So so this was shown by a 2019 study that looked at match data from 1995 to 2017. And in the Premier League, the researchers found that 77% of the statistical variance in the final league standings was explained by match week 10. So essentially there was a notable strong relationship between the league table after 10 games and at the end of the season. And looking back at last season, that was certainly the case when looking at the table after 10 weeks, Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal were in the top four. Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United were in the relegation zone and most teams in between were pretty much where they ended up. I think the only exception was Tottenham Hotspurs fast start to the season that saw them top of the table after 10 games. And Chelsea's slower start to the season that saw them lose four games in their opening 10 before obviously climbing up, up to a stronger finish by the end. So look, we can have some fun with some early season quirks after three games of the season, but please promise me, don't read too much into the numbers for a few more weeks.
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Adam Levantal
My kids have just gone back to school and I felt like I've just been told off by a teacher. Don't go into too much, you know, conclusive detail about the first three games of the season.
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Raj Panjabi
But I liked his soundtrack though. Did you?
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Adam Levantal
It was nice.
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Raj Panjabi
It was good. Does when he walks around and talks to people, is that, is that just what happens?
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Adam Levantal
Yeah, it does, it does. Just gives it a little bit of extra heft, doesn't it? Well, it's good news for Everton fans at the very least to hear from Mark Carey. They're saying, look, just don't, don't worry, chill out, you, you, you may well be okay. Obviously Manchester City, you can be pretty confident. You know, they are top of the table now. They'll probably still be there at the end of the season. We've spoken about Haaland. He's been covered in, in detail everywhere. Another hat trick for him last weekend at West Ham. Eight hat tricks in his Premier League career and that's the joint fourth highest in the division's all time record alongside Thierry Henry. Thierry Henry, Harry Kane, Michael Owen as well. It's his 11th in a Manchester City shirt. Let's step away from, from Harland and I should be calling him Haaland, shouldn't I? Really?
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Tim Spears
You can call him what you like.
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Adam Levantal
Well, no, I wouldn't. He's massive. I wouldn't do that. But away from him. Has Pep adjusted anything that we should be sort of surprised with or just sort of noting down and thinking, ah, actually they've taken another step forward which will make them even more impregnable.
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Tim Spears
Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing, I think the biggest factor is probably him. I'm gonna. Mark has just told us off. I'm gonna talk about some of the numbers because last season was I think, the first season on record where Haaland has actually underperformed his expected numbers. So he was putting up around an expected goal a game I think in the Premier League last season and he was slightly under that. So it's like 0.95 actual goals. So only very, very we're being picky. I noticed so far he's basically double. If you look at non penalty expected goals and non penalty goals, he's putting up one expected, non penalty expected goal, similar to last season, he's scoring two. So he's basically doubled his output in terms of actual goals. So that's the biggest factor here. I think that for whatever reason, his finishing is better. And you may remember last season I took quite an interest in Pauland's shot timings just looking at the. I watched every shot he took and I timed the difference between his first touch and the shot and tried to have a think about whether or not there was commonalities in what was going on. I've done the same for this season, just keeping an eye on it. And one thing I've noticed, I mean, again, the sample size is tiny. So there's a massive caveat there. I noticed that his shot time is actually one of the things I said is he's great because he gets shots away so quickly. If you think of that, it's the West Ham goal where he receives the ball and then takes a shot and batters it into the top Corner. It's like 0.25 seconds. So it's about the same amount of time it takes to blink. He receives the ball on the edge of the box and then clacks it over the keeper really hard. He hits that so hard with basically no backlift with his leg. It's just remarkably quick. And that's one of the reasons why he's a great striker, because he can do that in a way that no one else can. And the goalkeepers obviously aren't set and defenses aren't set, so it just speeds things up. But actually, almost every other chance he's had, it's been about slowing it down. And in part that is because there's been a lot of chances that have been created for him by him running in behind. So they play the ball in, he takes a few touches to get to the goal and then. And then scores. So there's a couple in the Ipswich game. There's a couple in the West Ham game as well. And I do think that in part is to do with Guardiola's new little tweak where he's getting Kevin de Bruyne to shift out into the wide area just in front of the fullback. The goal against Ipswich, I think it's maybe the first one where the ball goes out wide to De Bruyne, he clips it over the top to Haaland. He takes a little head past the goalkeeper and chips it in. That is a tactical tweak. I think that we're going to start seeing more goals coming from as well. One other thing, they've changed their out of possession shape as well. They used to press out of a 4, 4 2, so it would be Haaland and De Bruyne next to him in the front line. They're now pressing out of a 4 1, 4 1, so Haaland's on his own. But then the two Eights often jump up behind him, so they end up in that sort of 4, 4, 2 shape a lot of the time. But I think that it means that you're getting Bernardo Silva and Kevin De Bruyne around Haaland a lot more in those out of possession phases. So if they win the ball, he's just on the last line and they're able to play the balls through to him as well. So again, working on getting the ball into that space behind which he's obviously lethal from too. So I think that there are tactical tweaks here.
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Raj Panjabi
Also.
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Tim Spears
Pep's talked about him working much harder on his finishing and we're seeing the fruits of that as well in the numbers.
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Adam Levantal
And they've done it without Rodri as well so far this season. So it's a sign that that something that was maybe a slight chink in their armor has already sort of been rectified.
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Raj Panjabi
They've probably worked on it in pre season because he hasn't been involved in pre season. The Rodri's absence was sort of foisted upon them last year and they seemed to struggle how to cope. Calvin Phillips, whatever. But yeah, Rico Lewis and Kovacic have really sort of stepped up in those areas.
- [33:12]
Tim Spears
I think Rodri and Phil Foden, their two best players from last season, not even playing and they're arguably better than they were last season. It's crazy, isn't it? Scary, I think, is the word.
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Adam Levantal
Right, let's concentrate on Tottenham now and over on our spurs podcast, View from the Lane Jack Pitt Brooke spoke to Danny Kelly about the fine lines between winning and losing under Ange Postecoglou's style of football. Ange Ball is a house of cards. Like it's beautiful, but if one bit is off, the whole thing collapses.
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Raj Panjabi
And this I think is.
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Tim Spears
You say that Jack my friend, that's acceptable.
- [35:54]
Raj Panjabi
Well, no, I'm not saying whether this.
- [35:56]
Adam Levantal
Is good or bad. I'm just saying what I think.
- [35:57]
Raj Panjabi
So I think Ange pulls a house of cards.
- [36:00]
Adam Levantal
One bit is off, the whole thing collapses. And so spurs playing this way can.
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Raj Panjabi
Work, but it can only work if.
- [36:06]
Adam Levantal
They don't make a single mistake they have left them. They leave themselves zero room for error. They set themselves such a high bar to win a game playing this way and they need to be able to execute every single time. And at the moment they're not executing every Single time. So they've drawn against Leicester, they hammered Everton 4 nil and then they lost against Newcastle. It's interesting there and Danny was basically sticking a flag in the fact that that's not sustainable, is it? If, as Jack is saying, if one thing is out, it all goes to Chisel. That needs to be adapted, does it not, Tim?
- [36:42]
Raj Panjabi
I mean, he's not going to do that. I think we saw time and again last year when things are going wrong, he'll stick with his principles. I'm surprised they didn't do more different summer business. You know, they signed a lot of young players. Ode Bear, Archie Gray, Bergvall from Sweden. These guys aren't going to be first team regulars. They spent more than half their budget on Dominic Solanke and I know we haven't seen him yet, which is an important thing to say. Otherwise it's the same team as last year. So yeah, they're in a real rut towards the end last season, particularly defensively, again, a really bad defensive record. There were definitely issues with sort of team dynamics and team pressing for sure. I think if and when it clicks, they can hit a really high level. I think there's a really high ceiling there and I think they've got a really good manager in place who, if given sort of three, four, five years, with the right backing in the transfer market, can really do something in terms of take the up to the level that Arsenal and Liverpool are currently at. They're just going to need a bit of patience, I think. But I'm surprised they didn't do more in the window. They looked to the future, but not so much the present.
- [37:43]
Adam Levantal
So Ange has got a lot of credit in the bank seemingly with Tim and everyone should just sort of stick with it and not get frustrated by it. Are you on that page as well, Jon?
- [37:53]
Tim Spears
I guess as an analyst I look at it, I understand the arguments that this is very binary football. It's like it's either really, really good or really, really bad in moments, I suppose. For me, I think the thing that I notice is that there's little details where I think if spurs improved it would have a massive impact on whether or not they are actually a house of cards. And you take one card out and everything falls down. So for example, the second goal they conceded. There's lots of talk about that. As though this is just what Ange Postecoglou wants, right? It's like Madison steams in to Joel Linton doesn't get the challenge, Joelinton rolls him and now you're in a scenario where you've got a guy on the ball with space in front of him, basically a back line in front of him, holes in that back line and fast runners in behind. And I think the problem with viewing it in that sort of binary way of being like, it's my way or the highway for Ange, is that there are areas where they could play that way, I think, and improve. There are coaching decisions that can be made where. So, for example, Romero's position in both of the goals. I think there's things you can do slightly differently there that make it much more sustainable as a way of defending. But I think that the conversation now has gone so much towards. On the one hand, everyone's saying this is a really exciting way of attacking, and it's going to be really. If they get it right, it's going to be really productive. And on the other hand, it's like, well, it's a really risky way of defending. And so you make one mistake and then you concede. And I just think that there is a middle space which isn't compromising of his ideals, and that is making sure that you don't end up in these sorts of scenarios. The first goal as well. Romero presses out really aggressively, and that's fine. You can play with an aggressive pressing system like that. The problem is that Romero then takes forever to get back and Basuma takes his place. And Romero sees himself deferred of any responsibility to do what Basuma should have been doing in that situation. And again, it leads to a goal. And I think those are the things that I worry about with Postecoglou. It's like the little details. I think that when you focus so much on the idealism and being like, you go again. There was a preseason game where against, I think it was the Korean All Stars team, where they played spurs, played badly in the first half, and there was a drinks break, and Postecoglou came on and was just basically shouting at them, telling them to press. He wasn't telling them how to press better or the details of pressing. It was more, you've got to be. You've got to go for this, you've got to be up for it, and you've got to fight the whole time. And I think that's a. It's. It's an important way of playing. But for me, what's often missing are the details. So Madison steaming in, as we've said, okay, great, you've done what the manager wants you there. But maybe if you hold Your run a little bit more and you press a little bit less passionately. You don't get rolled quite so easily by Joel Linton. And I think sometimes with Ange it feels like the details are passion and intensity and this is what we do and we go out and we go again and sometimes somewhere in between that, that they've lost some of the details where I think you can actually improve them to a level where you're still playing the same way, but you're making less of these mistakes that result in goals, if that makes any sense.
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Adam Levantal
No, it does. It makes complete sense. But it also makes me think that there are deficiencies in what they're being coached and if he's not got the depth to actually acknowledge that one in public or two on the training field and adapt it, then, then that's. That would be. That would be worrying to me if that is correct.
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Tim Spears
Evolution is super important for coaches. There's a. There's a Rodri interview actually in the Players Tribune today, which I recommend people go and read because it's great and it, you know, I learned a lot about Rodri that I didn't expect to learn. He's very different to what I expected him to be, but he has a line in there. He talks about Pep Guardiola and says the reason Pep's great is because he's always evolving. Like, even when things go well one season he's like, we've got to change next season because. Because all of their analysts are going to be looking at what we did this season and finding ways of stopping it. And that's what I worry about with Postecoglou because he's so idealistic. He's like, we can't change anything because we have to believe in the project and the process. And that means that sometimes I feel as though he might not have the ability then to go out and be like, okay, this bit didn't work, let's change it. Having said that, they're better at defending set pieces than they were last season. So I think some of that stuff must be rhetorical. It must just be. I've got to have the players believing in this, in the system, and then we slowly drip feed them these evolutions in the systems.
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Adam Levantal
Let's switch on to Chelsea now. And they've started the season with a loss, a really, really big win, impressive win against Wolves and then most recently a draw. Let's hear from Simon Johnson speaking on straight out of Cobham.
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Raj Panjabi
How do we assess the first few weeks of the season? Well, not Taking enough chances, not keeping clean sheets. That's four the five games without a clean sheet and they were quite fortunate to keep one against Sevy. So clearly work to do at both.
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Adam Levantal
Ends of the pitch.
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Raj Panjabi
And that's exactly what we were saying last season. So. Progress. What progress? Early days. But you have to say at the start of the season so far there's much room for improvement.
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Adam Levantal
So it's not particularly convincing as far as Simon is concerned. I mean, you've mentioned earlier on in the show, Tim, about the strategy that they've got with all the signings, et cetera, et cetera. But they can't keep on starting every season with it being, oh, we've transitioned to a new head coach, we're doing something different. It's sort of a work in progress constantly because people just gradually, it's just a drip, drip, drip of people just losing any faith in that process of it being a work in progress. Does that make sense?
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Raj Panjabi
Yeah, it used to work for them when they were a slightly higher level and winning leagues and able to attract better players and they would change their head coach every year and didn't seem to make a huge amount of difference to how many trophies they won. But now, yeah, they're in a bit of a rut recruitment wise, where they're just constantly on a huge revolving door of talented players changing the head coach. I remember us saying in February, March, when and Pochettino had finally sort of started to crack it and they only lost once in the last sort of three or four months of the season. And then, you know, it seemed like, oh, a bit of fine tuning in the summer with the same guy and they could look forward with some optimism and some consistency. But then they, I say they ripped it up and started again. I mean, they certainly have with the head coach. But if you looked at the team last week, there's only one new face in there, which is Pedro Neto. Although you would expect a couple more like Xiao Felix maybe to come into the team, maybe Dewsbury hall at some point.
- [44:21]
Adam Levantal
But Jadon Sancho.
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Raj Panjabi
Jadon Sancho, Yeah, there's a long list and yeah, the fact that they've left some of their best players out of the Conference League squad this week. I know it's a far less priority for them, but it just shows this sort of gluttonous aspect of how many players they've got. So, yeah, when does it stop sort of being a work in progress and becomes something more coherent? We're looking at months down the line, I think. Think that's just. That's if you're going to keep changing the players in the head coach, what else do you expect?
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Adam Levantal
Right, let's talk about some other teams that have caught our attention so far. It's been interesting. Obviously. We saw Ivan Toney last week heading out to Saudi Arabia. He's not going to be playing in the Premier League anymore, but it doesn't seem to bother Thomas. Frank, Brentford have started well. The post Tony era is now three games old because he's not featured for them this season. Have you been impressed with how they've started, how they've evolved, perhaps?
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Tim Spears
I think a lot of people expected them to be maybe relegation candidates this season for various reasons. The Tony stuff, Bernardo Cueva going to Chelsea and that being a big, you know this. He was a set piece coach. That's a big part of their identity, finding those marginal gains. But yeah, they've hit the ground running really well. A couple of wins, wins under their belt already and yeah, a front three I would say who look pretty, pretty good to go. So Brian and Bermo, everyone's been impressed with him since he's been in the Premier League. But Jan Wisse has become, I think a really good striker at that level and Kevin Schader who arrived from Freiburg was in and out last season because of injuries. But yeah, I think they've. We talked before with Everton about difference makers and I think that front line is good enough at the level to keep them up. So yeah, I've been pretty impressed with them so far.
- [46:08]
Adam Levantal
What have you made Tim of Southampton? Because obviously they've come up with a very clear identity. They want to pass out from the back, they want to keep the ball as much as they can and then score their goals with nice moves. Russell Martin's already been accused of being too stubborn. What's your take on it?
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Raj Panjabi
No, no, it's a successful way of playing last year. Yeah, they have got an identity. They've averaged 68% possession in their three match, but an XG of only 3.4 so far, which they obviously need to improve on. But yeah, I've actually been really impressed with a lot of the business they've done over the summer. They brought in about 20 players, but I guess they felt they needed to. And that's going to take. That's going to take a serious amount of time to fit together. A lot of them have gone under radar, the players they brought in. I didn't realize they brought Adam Lalana back. You know. You know, when you're on Your holidays and you miss, you know, oh, when you see him on the. Oh, Adam Lalana. Southampton, they brought him back. They brought Ryan Fraser back, signed Maxwell Corne, Cameron Archer, they got Flynn Downes from West Ham and yeah, Ben Brayton Diaz for about 6, 7 million. Could be the signing of this season in terms of, you know, money to goals because he scored something like 6, 14 for an absolutely dreadful Chevy United team last season and he's got something about him. So yeah, I think, look, it's Russell Martin's first time in the Premier League. Obviously it's so hard in the Premier League when you've got like Emery joining a relegation threatened team team or Lopetegui coming in. You know, these are Europa League winning managers or Oliver Glasner mid table teams. These are very intelligent, tactically minded coaches with very clear identities. That's what you're competing with. It's so, so tough. So, yeah, to say, look, three games, you need to rip it all up and start again. No, absolutely not. Keep going, Russell.
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Adam Levantal
Okay, so he's not. Southampton aren't going to end up like Burnley last season where Vincent Kompany was potentially too stubborn, stuck to his principles too much. And you have to answer this in short, because I'm sure you could wax lyrical about this for hours because it's basically going against every fiber of your body for some dinosaur saying, nah, you gotta get it long rather than playing the ball out.
- [48:18]
Tim Spears
I think that Southampton will get relegated playing this way. I think it's also important to distinguish between playing possession heavy football and playing bad possession heavy football. And I think. And they're doing that. Yeah, there's things that I see them doing that that I think is just madness.
- [48:32]
Adam Levantal
Is that personnel, is that. Is that players making bad decisions and they're maybe not going to evolve enough to, to make better decisions over the course of a season.
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Tim Spears
Yeah, I think, I think the structure, structurally, they look, they do stuff that I look at and I don't really understand why they're doing it. So I, I'm all with, I'm all with Tim for saying managers should have principles, they should stick to their ideas. But I also think if you have. Have the same as what we were saying with Ange, if there's issues with it and details that can be changed and improved, they need to be made. And if the manager is not making them because of stubbornness, then you're not helping anyone.
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Adam Levantal
Pragmatism, not madmatism.
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Tim Spears
Something in between the two.
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Adam Levantal
Yeah, absolutely. So I'm counting Russell Martin as one of the new bosses in the Premier League, obviously with him, Kieran McKenna and Steve Cooper, even though we are familiar with who they are, but they are new bosses into the Premier League. New boss at Brighton, obvious at West Ham as well. Anyone sort of stood out for you in terms of the most impressive adapter to the Premier League.
- [49:35]
Tim Spears
I mean, I think it's hard not to talk about Fabian Herzla at Brighton just because this is a guy who basically took over at a club in the side to Bundesliga midway through the season, a relegation troubled club, and then turned it around and then got them promoted the following season and has come in at Brighton and hit the ground running again. We talked at the top of the show about on a slot at Liverpool and a big reason why a manager like Herzler can come in and do well is because Brighton have that process in place to be able to get a manager who takes the squad and embraces the game model. And I think what I've been impressed with about him is that he's had that capacity to adapt because I've watched games that he played with Sam Pauli in Bundesliga last season is very different, not very different, but what he's doing this season looks a lot similar, more similar to what Roberto de Zerbi was doing at Brighton as well. And I think that's what always impresses me, the manager, he's able to come in and fit a different game model without necessarily just throwing the baby out with the bathwater as well for his own principles. But again, that's part of the process, right? They've brought in a manager who they think can do that and he has come in and done that. And yeah, that's the holy grail, I guess, of running a successful football club.
- [50:43]
Adam Levantal
And he is a baby himself, isn't he? Only 31 years old. Quick word on Arsenal because we are going to concentrate on Arsenal quite a lot over the coming, coming weeks. They've got the North London Derby coming up. We've got City against Arsenal as well. But do you see them being the closest challengers to City once again? Nothing, nothing sort of made you think that, that they're not going to be able to sustain a challenge.
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Raj Panjabi
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Adam Levantal
You can talk more about us.
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Raj Panjabi
I'd like to leave it at that. I think it's funnier.
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Adam Levantal
Okay, fine.
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Raj Panjabi
Let's leave it next week.
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Adam Levantal
Thank you very much for taking part, Tim. Tim. And thanks to you, John. Just a reminder, all the podcasts that you can listen to on the Athletic fc. You've got the Tactics pod, totally football show. You've got the daily football briefing as well. All the club shows too, so get stuck into those during this international break. Thank you very much for listening. We'll be back on Monday. Have a lovely weekend. Take care.
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