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Frank Corrado
Sup it up.
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Sean McIndoo
See Athletic Cocky Show Wednesday edition. McAdoo Carrado Gentili here our hotel room count is at one this week. Frankie is at home. That is a. That is a welcome change. You're sitting in front of your very tastefully apportioned TV approved. Get the frame. You got the frame jersey. You got. You got the helmets. One of that. Was that.
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Frank Corrado
Was that an offseason project no, that was, that was a few seasons ago. I did it myself though. And the shelves where the helmets are like, they're a little off. If you really pay attention to it, you can see that they're not, they're not equally aligned, which is unfortunate, but that's my, that's the extent of my handiwork, boys.
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Sean McIndoo
As a real, as a really handy guy, I notice it myself. Yeah, I gave you, I gave you the half point deduction for, for, for crooked shells.
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Frank Corrado
Today's a cool day. I want to welcome you guys to what is known as memo day in the NHL. Today's. Today's the day, I would imagine because I've seen this before. All the guys will be coming to the rink for practice or morning skate and coach will have their meeting at 9:30 and it's going to start with something like this, boys. Just a little housekeeping today. Something we got from the league. I don't know if you guys saw that goal last night where on and in knocks the net off. Here's what the NHL is telling us, so we got to keep this in mind. Now let's get to our meeting. It's memo day. Little bit of housekeeping before everything gets going.
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JD Bunkis
Wow. How is that like the big.
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Sean McIndoo
Isn't that like the big takeaway from that, from that goal in Preds. In Pred's wild last night? I feel like there were a few, but for sure that was. One of them is like, if this is how they're going to call it, whatever, if there's a chance that that's how they approach goals, where the, where the net gets. Gets knocked off the mornings moving forward. I think everyone probably needs to make some adjustments. The memo is necessary.
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Frank Corrado
Little reminder. Just a little reminder. Okay, so what do you guys feel about that situation? Because I stand by what they called. I think it's the right call and I would do that call 10 out of 10. And I'm, I'm here to listen to your argument about it, but man, I, I firmly believe that they made the right call on that play.
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JD Bunkis
Let me, let me give you my argument because I've seen, you know, I, I saw it happen in real time. I saw a lot of people were upset, a lot of people questioning it. Here's my take, okay? It's a suggestion for you goalies out there. If you don't like this, maybe stop cheating. How's that work?
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Frank Corrado
Okay.
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JD Bunkis
Don't cheat and then complain when you get caught cheating. Because people are like, you know, oh, the neck got knocked off oh, it just got knocked.
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Sean McIndoo
Did it just.
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JD Bunkis
Is that, did that just happen? Did a bird fly through and bump into it? Did, like a gust of wind come up? No. The goalie in a situation where the other team has a scoring chance was like, I could slide over there and make the, make the safe. Nah, you know what? I just don't feel like playing anymore. I'm just going to knock the net off. You can't do that. Of course that goal should count. Now. There is, there is the thing about, like, you know, was the first shot going in or was it on the second? And that is, you know, maybe that's a different conversation.
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Sean McIndoo
I think that's kind of compelling for the record.
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JD Bunkis
Maybe it is. But don't, like, don't cheat and then turn around and go like, oh, you can't.
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Frank Corrado
You know it.
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JD Bunkis
My cheating worked against us. Yeah. Don't you, you listen, goalies, listen to me. Goaltenders of the world, you weirdos in your sumo gear talking to your posts. You're all nine feet tall, you're all twitchy goofs, and none of your teammates really know how to talk to you. Stop ruining hockey by, first of all, making too many saves. You're too good. That's problem number one.
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Frank Corrado
Yeah.
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JD Bunkis
But second of all, stop cheating. Stop. Don't knock the net off every time and then go, oh, how could you still count the goal every time the puck comes near your mask? Don't shake it off and then be like, oh, how come the play didn't stop? Stop cheating. And, and everything will be okay.
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Frank Corrado
That one I'm okay with. That's, that's good old fashioned gamesmanship, baby. Like, and also from a safety point of view, if your mask is like just a little loose and someone wires one, I'm okay with that one.
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JD Bunkis
But it's when, it's when people are like that, that should be an automatic whistle, right? It happened like last week. Right. Somebody has to play without a mas. Dangerous. But people are like, how are they not blowing the whistle automatically? And the answer to that is every goalie's mask would fall off 20 times a game. If it was an automatic whistle mysteriously, they would just. The straps would get loose. It would just be a weird coincidence and it would only happen when they were about to get scored on and. Yeah, you like it. It blows my mind that there seem to be people out there who sincerely believe that if a defenseman swats at a puck and it accidentally goes over the glass and that that absolutely has to be a delay a game penalty. No Room you were going to bring this back. No room for any judgment intent. Nothing matters. But if a goalie is like, you know what? I don't feel like being a goalie right now. Bonk knocks the net off. People are like, well, what can you do? I mean, you just got to blow the W10 rules.
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Sean McIndoo
Discussions with McIndo end up coming back to puck over glass. Like, it all. It's, it's gonna, it's gonna happen.
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JD Bunkis
I'm gonna, I haven't figured out how to tie this back into the loser point, but I'm gonna, I'm working get there.
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Frank Corrado
No, we're there somehow. And then somehow it'll be about the Leafs for sure. But how about this?
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JD Bunkis
If you, you don't, you know how you don't get a loser point if you pull your goalie and get scored on? I think if your goalie cheats and you get scored on an overtime, you should lose the loser point.
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Sean McIndoo
Almost. Stamkos almost convinced me post game. Like, I, like I was full on. Like, why is this even a discussion? Why are we treating this as any sort of, any sort of serious thing? Stamco's post game. And this is from Russo's write up of, of the whole, of the whole thing. Russo, this will shock you. Is pro Wild on. On the.
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JD Bunkis
No, he was there right from the. He had it called, right? He did, yeah.
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Sean McIndoo
I'm, I'm joking. Obviously, he had it on.
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JD Bunkis
On Twitter. He had a new doubt.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah, but Stamco said, He said basically, like, I, okay, this is the direct Samko's quotes. How about this? He goes, I get it. The net came off, but if the puck goes in right away, no problem if the net's off. But he missed the net and the puck actually bounced to him because the net was sideways. And then he hit it off the back of the net and it popped back. So my interpretation of the rule is that if the net wasn't off, that puck wouldn't have come back to him to have an open net would have went behind the net and then the play would have been blown dead because the net was off. So he's like, I, I, I get it, I get it. But the only reason there was a scoring chance in the first place was was because the net was originally off and he almost got me there. I was quite nearly on Team Stamcos and Team Prez on this one, but I just can't get over the reality of this situation, which, like Sean said, the net didn't magically accidentally came Off. It was off due to something very clearly, like a very clearly deliberate move by annuitant. So if. So if you cheat, whatever happens after that, in any kind of normal run of play, like if it's a.
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JD Bunkis
If it's a close call. How about benefit of the doubt goes to the team that didn't blatantly cheat two seconds before?
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah, reasonable.
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Frank Corrado
No, no, I have no issues with that. Like the An's left, like, elbow. You can see how egregious it is. Like he's actively trying to knock the net off.
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Sean McIndoo
And he already done it once in that game, too, by the way.
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Frank Corrado
Right.
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Sean McIndoo
That's like he was. He was playing. Playing pretty loose with it already and.
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JD Bunkis
May have gotten a warning. I don't know if, you know, sometimes the officials will be like, don't do that again.
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Frank Corrado
Oh, I'm sure it doesn't take much. Like it's. It's one time your officials not going to, you know, stand in there and get made to look a fool. So he's going to give you a warning when he sees that happen. But imminent play. Okay, Imminent play. The first shot. I understand this is where you could argue it is that the first shot doesn't go in, but on and in. Even if he hadn't knocked the net off, is not making the save on the rebound because he's like down and out. He sprawled down like Johansson, still putting that puck in. Now, the net was angled a different way, but it was angled a different way because an does what he does. So I have no issue with it. I think it's the right call. And every team is having memo day and getting a reminder and then they'll get into their video session today. I think what are some of the.
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Sean McIndoo
Memo days that Frankie Crowders, dude, it's.
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Frank Corrado
Things that are like. A lot of it was hits, you know, hitting, hitting to the head. What does it look like anytime something big and noteworthy happens like that, it's like, here's a reminder from. From NHL about this is head contact or this is incidental head contact because you went through the body and you got someone's head like that. That was one that was always kind of front and center like the. The offside ones you used to. But that's even before me. Like, those are ones that get kind of refreshed every once in a while because the rules have changed as far as where your skate has to be in relation to the blue line and, you know, so. But yeah, those are. Those are the main ones that, that I can remember you know, kind of.
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Sean McIndoo
Hearing about the next day potential trouble in paradise between Russo and LeBron. By the way, did we, did we see this? They, they disagree on it. Russo Russo saying he pushed the. This is exchanged between Russo and Pierre. He pushed the net off the mornings clearly intentionally when he thought Caprizov was going to score. The rule doesn't state when imminent scoring opportunity ends.
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JD Bunkis
The ref rule's good.
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Sean McIndoo
Goal on 90 second shot into where the net would have been had he not illegally knocked it off. And Pierre to that simply said I will set you straight in Milan.
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JD Bunkis
Oh wow.
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Sean McIndoo
Interesting. Interesting. I would like to know exactly what he means by that.
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JD Bunkis
Is that, that, that feels like barn fight adjacent.
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Sean McIndoo
We got some, we got some big boy hockey between Russo and, and LeBron coming in Milano Cortina first.
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Frank Corrado
Ontario in Pierre coming out.
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JD Bunkis
That escalated did like has Russo previously said that a game was scoreless or anything like that to really set Pierre off or do that.
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Sean McIndoo
That came up, that came up in my natural life. The scoreless, the scoreless debate. I, I, I default. I, I immediately went into a peer impression of course and nobody, nobody cared. I think the other big story come out of last night and I, I feel like we've, we've gone to this well a couple times already and we're all still sort of surprised by it, but the Anaheim Ducks come in smoke the Panthers 73 three goals for Cutter Goier. You know, he's tied for the league lead with 10 goals. They have the cool Gordon Bombay jacket that they give the player of the game. I don't, I don't know if you guys saw this. It is a, an exact replica of the jacket that Emilio SF has wore in the Mighty Ducks, which I don't know how it took this long for that to be. That'd be part of their, part of their postgame stuff. What are we seeing from the Ducks? Like I, I, I, I do want to get our, I want to get us on record here. Like are, are we, are we on board with what they're doing? Do we think it's a, it's a truly it's sustainable thing? Because that's a, I know that. I know the Panthers are limited in one way or another right now, but that's, that counts for something last night.
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Frank Corrado
The Ducks are a good team. Yeah, they're a good team. Like they have the most goals for right now in the NHL, do they not? Like they're. No one's scoring more goals than the Ducks and they're expected is not first, but it's good. It's in the, you know, top third of the NHL. So it's justified how good they've been, you know, right across the board offensively, you know, they're, they're, they're a very shot heavy team. Like, obviously some teams want to prioritize possession and not wasting pucks and, you know, making sure that it's all, you know, high quality chances. But the Ducks have found a way to blend the both right now where, you know, shot attempts and shots. They're a top five team in the NHL. And then as far as if they're getting chances from the slot area, they're getting those as well. Like, they're, they're, they're really good. They're just, they're, they're a fast, exciting, skilled young team. And the fact that, you know, I think Pat Verbeek took a lot of heat with the trades that he made, especially with the guys that he brought in from New York. Right. Like aging guys who maybe have slowed down. It was the right mix for what his group needed. You know, Jacob Truba, Chris Kreider, who now has seven goals implementing those players with, you know, Alex Kalorn, who was already there, has. He's pushed all the right buttons and now they're seeing the results. But they're not a team that's just on a hot streak. They're not a team that's just shooting the lights out. They're. They're generating what they're scoring and that is something that can be sustainable for them. And here's the crazy part, like, it should only get better. All those young guys are, you know, Cutter, go Che, who's off to an unbelievable start and has a hat trick last night. Leo Carlson, who's really coming on. Beckett, Seneca, who's playing light years better than he played in the preseason. They're all just going to get better and older and more experienced. So there is, there is a nice thing cooking right now with the Ducks, and it doesn't feel like it's an accident.
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JD Bunkis
And the other piece of this is the playoff path in the Pacific. I wouldn't say wide open, but it's there. It's there for the taking. I mean, you know, obviously we, we all expected Vegas and Edmonton as much as the Oilers have struggled a bit, are going to be there at the end, at the top, but that third spot and then, you know, potentially wild cards, depending on how things go in the Central. Seattle looks good right now, but we'll see how that goes. LA's hanging in there, but it's. It's there for Anaheim. And, you know, I feel like I'm. I'm. I'm mad at myself because heading into the season, I had, in my prediction piece, I had said, the Ducks are making the playoffs. I'm calling it. And then at the last second, I kind of lost my nerve and I sort of. I sort of dialed it down a little bit and I turned it into. It would not shock me if the Ducks made the playoffs. And now I'm wishing I could go back and maybe I could. I mean, you know, we can just. It's cool to go back and edit your predictions, right? Like, that's fine.
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Sean McIndoo
I do it all the time.
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JD Bunkis
Okay. So. But it's, It's. It's looking good. And I mean, Joel Quinville right now gotta be the Jack Adams favorite.
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Sean McIndoo
Oh, my God.
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JD Bunkis
And. Which will be a whole different discussion.
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Sean McIndoo
Can't wait for that.
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Frank Corrado
But that's, That'll be. Yeah, that'll be interesting. But, like, right now, top three teams in the NHL, Colorado, Been there. They're a wagon. Montreal second, Anaheim third. It feels like there's a little bit of a changing of the guard for the time being. Right. Because some teams are lagging behind. Edmonton loses again last night. They can't hold on to a lead, and it's at the hands of the Dallas Stars, who are very injured and they're kind of limping around. So, yeah, there's. There's plenty of opportunities for. For teams like Anaheim and Montreal and Utah and New Jersey can stay healthy even though they've been there. And, like, we know how skilled and how good New Jersey is, but, like, this Anaheim team, I just kind of come back to, you know, can it be sustainable? Absolutely, it can be. When. When your young guys are playing as well as they are and they're only going to get better, this is, this is something that. That could be. They've arrived. And what does that mean for la, Vancouver, Seattle, to certain extent, Edmonton. Right. Like, it's just. There's. There's a new. It's a new team on the scene here that it feels like they're. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Sean McIndoo
No, I mean, what was the narrative around the Ducks at the start of the season? It's. If they're young guys can level up and if some of the older guys actually give the kind of. The kind of the production and the element that. That, that for Beak went out and got them to. To supply. Right. And that's going on. Leo Carlson, has 18 points in 12 games and he, or 14 games rather. And he's, he's driving play too. He leads him an expected goals percentage. Go chase. 10 goals. He's second in the league in five on five shots. Only Nathan McKinnon, league wide has taken more shots than Cutter. Go chase. So just by that kind of stuff alone, you have Leo Carlson playing like a 1C and Gauthier being like the next guy from that group of forwards. It seems like to, to find another level. This is how people drew it up for Anaheim. This is what we said it would look like if they, if they made that leap, it would be because they were getting the exact kind of play that they've gotten from Leo Carlson and Cutter Goier and Chris Kreider and, and, and Jacob Truba and Doll's a high end goaltender.
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Frank Corrado
Well, dude, this is, this is the other thing that I'm, I'm happy you bring his name up right, because we have a track record now of Doe Stahl being very good, right. Having goal saves above expected, keeping his team in games, winning games. He's very talented goalie. You know, goaltending is a hard thing to repeat year after year. At the high end, there's just, there's, there's a handful of guys that do it every single year, but here he is right now and he's near the top and goal saved above expected again. And you're like, well, we were, you were banking on that if you're Anaheim and you're getting it if you're Anaheim. And it begs the question now, like, is this guy among the best goalies in the NHL? And he's going to be that way. You know, even, even right now, Anaheim's, you know what they're kind of giving up defensively? They've given up more goals than they should based on what their defensive metrics look like. And so, you know, Doe Stahls played well. The team is also not like a huge pushover defensively. So they're, they're in a good spot. They're goaltenders.
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Sean McIndoo
Obviously from where they were we became so accustomed to over the last few years seeing them be one of the very, very. Two years ago, they might have been pound for pound, by a lot of measurements, they might have been the worst offensive team in the history of the league. Right. So the fact that we're even talking about them, yeah, there's too many chances. The quality is high, but it's a step up from where they were a couple years ago. And Dosto, he needs to be treated as a guy who can, who can erase some of that. Like, you need, like, I think it's fair at this point to, to, to view him, you know, in that, in that kind of capacity. So, yeah, I, I like, I like, I like what we've seen from them. You know, that's just something, it's going to be something to track all season long, too, because there is that flux at the bottom of the Western Conference, right? Like whether we're talking about Seattle or, or whoever else, there's, there's work to be done and there's hay to be made and, you know, a lot of it while the sun shining there.
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JD Bunkis
It's, it's, it's. It's a fascinating team to watch if you're one of the many other teams in the league that have been doing the rebuild thing, right, because we always say it's, it's figuring out and committing and realizing we've got to tear this down and start over. Is, is a big decision. But once you've made that decision, the tear down is the easy part. Trading away all the veterans, getting draft picks, hopefully hitting on them, having that prospect pipeline that ranks near the top of Corey's list and all that, that is not easy, but it's the easiest part. And how many times do we see a team do that and then when it's time to start to win a little bit, you know, the metaphor I always use is they, they throw the, they take the, the gear out of neutral and they put it in drive and they hit the gas and the wheels just spin and nothing happens. We've seen that Buffalo has been doing it for years to some extent. You know, some people might put Chicago in that group, but like, how do you, how do you make that next step and how do you add the guys? Because at some point you got to win something. And Anaheim is right now looking like the model team for how they did that. And, and credit to pat4b because the guy made the moves and they're going.
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Frank Corrado
They'Re going to have a very, very favorable cap situation for a long time, which is going to keep them in the mix on whatever they want to be in the mix on. If they ever want to go big game hunting and spend money. And just to put it into perspective, like how good they've been goal scoring wise this year. Like, Frank Vetrano is playing on the fourth line and he's got one goal. Like, if that was the case for Anaheim a couple years ago, they're in big, big trouble because you rely on that guy to score goals. Meanwhile, everyone's picking up the slack and you're just like, he'll score when he scores. And we just need him to do other stuff right now because everyone's pitching in. It's the sign of a team that's turned a corner, and Anaheim has certainly done that.
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Sean McIndoo
All right, we're gonna hit a break. We're gonna come back with some Team Canada Olympic talk. Yes, goaltenders are on the menu. That's gonna be our discussion coming up soon.
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Sean McIndoo
All right, we're back, boys. We missed the 100 day deadline or the 100 day countdown for the, for the Olympics last week. That's something I didn't know was a thing until Everybody ran their 100 day out projections.
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Frank Corrado
Oh, is that right?
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Sean McIndoo
Did you know this?
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Frank Corrado
Yeah, No, I saw the broadcast crews got announced. That was the big one. We're 100 days out. We're announcing everyone that's going. That was cool.
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Sean McIndoo
I think there's still got to be time for you to sneak on the roster. He'll be, he'll, he'll be fine.
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Frank Corrado
I'll just take a. I'll take a break. I'll take a break when I can get one.
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Sean McIndoo
We gotta talk about the Canadian goaltending situation. And I hate, and I hate doing this. I don't. I, I would rather not.
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JD Bunkis
Bums me up.
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Sean McIndoo
But the three guys who are on the four nations team. Jordan Bennington. Jordan Bennington, Mont.
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Frank Corrado
Yeah.
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Sean McIndoo
Not off to the best of starts. I, I ask, I ask you, Frank. Corrado. What's the.
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Frank Corrado
Over.
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Sean McIndoo
Under. On. On. On those three. How Many actually get left offs.
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Frank Corrado
I think the line is probably the, the line's probably got to be one and a half at this point, doesn't it? And I'm almost, I think I would take the under. I would take the under on one and a half. And the guy that you're taking is Bennington. And Bennington's a, he's an interesting guy. Like, I, I know him very well. We go way back. We played minor hockey together for those that don't know. So we're talking like 12 years old. Vaughn Kings. Listen, we've all seen his success in the NHL. We saw his success at the Four nations in a short period of time, like when the St. Louis Blues won the Stanley cup and the Four nations tournament, something like that. He can be so laser focused and sharp and he's so emotionally charged that he can be dynamite in those situations, like unbeatable to a certain degree. We've seen it. There's evidence over the course of 82 games in a season. It's just hard to have the flame burn that high for a long period of time. It's part of what makes Bennington such a great goalie is that in those big moments he can get himself to a place mentally that not a lot of guys can go to, but it's hard to sustain. So I don't worry about Bennington because I know that when the time comes, he has shown us time and time again that he's going to be okay. I don't worry about his play right now. The two guys like Aiden Hill and Samuel Montebeault, of course, Aiden Hill's been hurt. Montebell is an interesting one because last night in Montreal he made, you know, two consecutive starts in a row. And Doug Armstrong and Don Sweeney are in attendance last night. And he's trying to find his game like he's, he's trying to find his game. He has not played well. Marty St. Louis wants to have, wants to have him be the number one guy. Like, he doesn't believe in a tandem. He believes in one guy carrying the mail and the other guy being the quote, unquote, backup goaltender. Now, Jakob Dobis has played unbelievable undefeated this year, but Monty should be the guy. And so last night, first period of that game, there's a high tip in the slot off the stick of Bobby Brink that goes in one nothing. Then Matheson, puck over boards, penalty. Dobson cross checking penalty. Now you're down five on three and you give up two goals on the ensuing power plays. One five on three, one five on four. So the goalie that's trying to find his game got put in a terrible situation in the first period and is down a three spot. What happened after that though was that he showed signs of the goalie he can be and has shown signs of life and he had a really good rest of the game. A big reason why they were able to come back and get a point. This is not a Montreal Canadiens conversation. This is a maybe Samuel Montembeau is going to find his game before it's too late conversation. Because as of right now, if you had to pick the team today, it's probably Bennington, Logan Thompson and Darcy Kemper, but they're. Montebeau showing signs of life last night maybe signifies that he can get back to the goalie he was last year.
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Sean McIndoo
Do we need to worry about Dovish taking more like, again, I don't want to turn this into a Canadian discussion necessarily, but like if that's how Marty San Leway is situated, if his desire is to have a dude who you can just count on night in, night out and if Dovish is getting. Is giving them consistently better play like that to me just sounds like we could be talking about Sam montimo as like a 1B in, in a. In. In. In a couple months, which is a tough. That's a tough spot. That's a tough spot when you're trying to make an Olympic team. If, if you're, if you're playing badly when, for the most part when, when you do start and then, and then losing time down the stretch because like look these, these guys, it's. It Bennington's at 8, 6 8. He's at nearly seven goals saved below expected. Monte Bow 8, 5 5. Almost. Almost seven goals. Like Aiden Hill's hurt and ineffective. Right. So I don't know, man. There's a, there's a lot of stuff in flux there and I, I look at, I look at Monsonbo too. We, when we were doing player tiers and trying to suss out, you know, where to stratify goaltenders and, and all that stuff, we had Monson Bow initially ranked pretty high and we heard back from like a weird amount of league people who are like maybe slow your roll on this a little bit. I don't know if there's something in, in the. Some the public numbers for the last couple years have favored Monsoon Bow. Like he's, he's graded out well there. But I wonder if, if a lot of teams that like with their own proprietary stuff see have seen something him over the Last couple years that they're not crazy about.
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JD Bunkis
Look, let's remember Sam Mondemo making the team last year. Even at, at the time, a lot of fans were like, what? Why, why is Sam Monomo on this team? And that's not to say he's not a good goal. It's not say he wasn't one of the three best picks last year, but it wasn't like he was some sort of slam dunk. And you know, I'm, I'm with Frankie Jordan Bennington is on this team if he's healthy, period, you know, does he have to be the starter? Game one, you know, that, that's up to a coach. But the guy won gold for you last time, you know, out dueled Connor Hallebuck in overtime with the gold medal game. He's, he's, he's on the team. Assuming he's, he's healthy. The other two spots are open because it's, you know, it's, it's. Sam Montebo was a, a mild surprise last year. You know, obviously wasn't called on to, to do much of anything in the actual tournament. There's no reason that he needs to start with a spot and someone has to take it from him. You know, I mean, that, that spots up for grabs. The guy who should have been on last year's team, Logan Thompson, is sort of the one guy who's playing pretty well. So I think I penciled him in. Binnington, Thompson and then the third spot, let's see, maybe if Aiden Hill gets healthy and gets going again, great. Darcy Kemper was another guy. You know, it's funny, last year, right, Like, Canada had two of the top four Vezina guys at the end of the year. Neither of them played on the Olympic team in Thompson and Kemper. But, you know, so in theory, you look at, you go, maybe it's not that bad. But Kemper hasn't been great so far. If he picks it back up, that spot's available and if not, then, you know, maybe, maybe you do the thing where you say, you know what it's going to be. It's going to be Biddington and Thompson and we're going to figure it out and then we'll take a younger guy and. Which is, you know, kind of what it felt like they did with Bonambo last year. But it doesn't have to be him. And, and it shouldn't be.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah, don't force the bring the future focus younger dude as the number three. Like if, if it's not, if it's not there. It's not there.
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JD Bunkis
If, if you've got, you know, and Team USA isn't going to do this, but if you have Connor Hellbach and Jake Ottinger and then you want to say, you know what, we're going to bring a young guy instead of Jeremy Swayman, go ahead. Because that guy's never getting near the ice in any meaningful situation. But if it's Canada, you don't have that luxury. So, yeah, yeah, find your three best guys. The three guys that are playing the best at the time, for the most part. Plus the international experience, which is where, you know, a guy like Bennington, like, I could actually see Bennington being a guy that. Where the Blues season is headed. They might be out of this very soon. Which means, you know, for him now, does that maybe wear him down to the point where he's a mess by the Olympics, maybe. Or maybe he's sitting there going, you know what? This is my whole season, my hope. My season's a write off. I got two weeks of actual meaningful hockey. I'm gonna be, you know, like, like a rabid dog by the time I get there. Let me off the leash and let me out there and play a little bit.
- [36:38]
Frank Corrado
He'll be like that anyways. He'll be like that anyway.
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JD Bunkis
What was he like at 12?
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Frank Corrado
Was it?
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Sean McIndoo
Yes.
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JD Bunkis
Was it. It's the exact same person because he, he, he's kind of got the 12 year old personality now.
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Frank Corrado
Like, what was he like back then? He was such a, like sweetheart of a kid. He's still such a, like, he's a great guy. This is just a classic case of like putting on a Persona to get yourself to a level as a, as an athlete, as a competitor. Like, he is, he's not an asshole. I don't know if we're allowed to say that word. Maybe JD will bleep it out for us. But like, he's, he's an unbelievable guy. He's, he's awesome. He's great to be around. You would love to go grab a beer with this guy and hang out with him and anyone would.
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JD Bunkis
He wasn't throwing water bottles or I guess juice boxes.
- [37:24]
Frank Corrado
No, he wasn't snapping on us. He wasn't. He was always the best goalie in the age group too, which is. We were very spoiled to have him behind us. But he'll, he'll be like that anyways, man. Like that's, that's just, that's him just quickly on Montimo, like the, his high end is very good. And for me, that's a big reason why he makes that team last year is because his best games are outstanding, where he lags behind with a guy like Logan. Thompson is the consistency, right? Like, Monty got shelled at times. Last year, I saw him put up, you know, eight spots and get pulled, like, early in the season. But his great games were really, really good. He hasn't had that this year, so he doesn't have that in his back pocket. And last year, you know, we were at tsn, we were constantly talking about this goalie situation, and I finally went to one of our producers, and I was like, dude, why are we making such a big deal about the third goalie for Team Canada? Who cares? Like, if. If they. If we're. If we're at the point where we're using a third goalie, like, haven't we lost the plot? Like, isn't it over? What are we doing? And the point that he made to me, which he wasn't really wrong, he goes, think about it, you know, usa, very, very solid in goal. Sweden, very solid in goal. Even to extend Finland, pretty solid in net. Canada has a bunch of guys. And this is before the Four nations, before Bennington did what he did, where you're like, I could make a compelling case for five or six guys to be the starter. There's no, like, true guy that's. That's so far and above and beyond. And so when you get into the tournament, if one guy plays bad in the first game, are you going to goalie number two? And, you know, does. Do you have a conversation between, you know, other members of the coaching staff? Who's the two, who's the three? It just. In this year, it doesn't feel like that's the case because Bennington is going to start. Like, you don't think John Cooper is going to start Bennington, game one of the Olympics and say, you're my guy, you're the rabid dog. Go out and do it just like you did last year. So maybe we're like, maybe it feels different this year than last year when it comes to the. How, you know, 1, 2, 3 goaltenders and how important they all are.
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Sean McIndoo
I think part of it is, is Thompson, like, for a second straight year. It's funny you mentioned consistency with Montambone. That's certainly true. It's funny to have Thompson as the contra example of that, because consistencies, especially with. With Vegas, that was an issue for him in the past, too. Last year, what we saw was he started out strong, Succinct sustained it really, until he started dealing with some injury stuff like after the All Star break. Like, yeah, his play declined down the stretch in the regular season for Washington, but he was dealing with a concussion thing and he had maybe some other, some other, some other minor injury stuff that was, that was going on too. And he shook it off well enough to be, you know, pretty good for them in the playoffs. He's followed that up again, you know, with another, another really, really strong start. He's a.935 say percentage, almost seven goals above saved, above expected. So he's like far and away based on merit over the last, over the last two years. I think he's, he's been the best of the bunch on the ice in the NHL season. It, it would just be a real pivot, honestly, in terms of the way that he's, he's thought about by that, by that national team, by whoever else to go from being, you know, not much of a consideration, I, I, I, I don't think last year to, you know, what are, what are we talking about? He's like one, he's, he's a bad Bennington period away in, in, in Milan from being the guy. It's really, really interesting, but it's also a testament to how, to, how good he's been. Like, he's, he's following up last season and I think that was, that was kind of the big question. You know, we'll, we'll see how long it lasts because he's got some inconsistency in, in the, in the rear view, but man, he's, he's playing really, really well. And, and that was, that was certainly true last season too.
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Frank Corrado
Yeah, he makes, he makes this year with Hill being injured and Montembeau struggling, he makes it more compelling but at the same time it softens the blow for Team Canada where you're like, listen, we had if at the end of the day for two spots, they had five goalies in the mix and those were the two guys they went with last year because for some reason there was a tiebreaker that went to those guys, maybe the tiebreakers going the other way. And that, that lands Logan Thompson on a flight with Pierre Lebrun to, to Milan so he could arm wrestling Russo.
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Sean McIndoo
Or whatever, whatever's, whatever's on, on the board there.
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JD Bunkis
That's, that's my advice to these goalies. Man, I know it's, it's big games, it's a lot of pressure. Just cheat just not to win.
- [42:09]
Frank Corrado
Cheat.
- [42:09]
JD Bunkis
When, when Matthews and Eichel are coming in two on one. Just.
- [42:16]
Frank Corrado
Oops.
- [42:16]
Sean McIndoo
Chicken elbow to the.
- [42:19]
JD Bunkis
To the Pierre will have your back on that.
- [42:21]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah, Frankie, where are you this week? You got. You're.
- [42:24]
Frank Corrado
I'm home boys.
- [42:25]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah, I got six shifts though. I feel like during games.
- [42:29]
Frank Corrado
We got a habs panel tomorrow, Devil's Habs, that'll be a good one. And then a couple jets games Friday night and on the weekend. Just doing doing some intermission work there. So jets are coming off a 3 nothing loss last night in LA, so they'll be looking to bounce back in San Jose and we'll be all over it, boys, just like you guys. Nice chatting today. Hope you guys.
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Sean McIndoo
Good to see you guys.
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Frank Corrado
Enjoyed Memo day as always. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully there's no memos coming your way.
- [42:54]
Sean McIndoo
Memo Monday, baby.
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JD Bunkis
I don't read Dr.
- [42:56]
Sean McIndoo
Brother. Yes.
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Sean McIndoo
All right, we're back it is Hockey hall weekend, my boy. I know you're aware of this. Jennifer Bottrills, Dino Chara, Brianna Decker. Duncan Keith, Alexander McGilney, Jack Parker, Daniel Sovajo, Joe Thornton. Are your inductees in alphabetical order? What have I learned this week? Sean McIndoo.
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Sean McIndoo
I have learned that you hate Jamie Ben.
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JD Bunkis
Now, don't. See, this is, this is the problem. When you talk about hall of Fame and you say that somebody is either not a Hall of Famer or maybe you say somebody is a. Is, is borderline. You know, it could be an interesting case is that people think that you hate the guy. And just because I said Jamie Ben's not a Hall of Famer doesn't mean I hate him. Now. I said Corey Perry is not a Hall of Famer. Do I hate him? Yes. Yeah, of course. But I don't hate Jamie Ben. I just don't think Jamie Ben's going to the hall of Fame. Even though he's got an Art Ross. Even though he's a three time All Star. The real All Stars that matter. The postseason ones. But yeah, I've got a piece out today where I take another look at six guys who I have previously talked about being borderline cases and sort of give an update on, on where they're at. And yeah, what, what I've learned is that people feel very strongly about the hall of Fame. It's even more so than most sports debates. I find hall of Fame, it's, it's not that people disagree with you. It's that people think whatever they think is so stunningly obvious. How could you possibly. I've got somebody in the comments. Corey Perry is a Hall of Famer. Are you? He had so many years of being one of the best guys and it's like. No, he had, he had one year now. It was a great year. He won the Hart Trophy, he won the heart Trophy, hits 50 goals, Rocket, Richard, everything. He had an absolutely phenomenal year. He's one year enough for a guy who's still playing, might play forever, isn't going to get even to a thousand points. That's the debate. That's the fun of it. And by fun, I mean everyone gets really angry and yells at each other and, and, and walks away furious and unhappy. That's fun for me.
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Sean McIndoo
He won a heart trophy. He got votes one other time. In 13th place.
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JD Bunkis
Yeah.
- [46:59]
Sean McIndoo
Top 76 points twice.
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JD Bunkis
And look, I mean, is that better than being a Patrick Marlowe who hangs around forever? Is never really in that conversation. Never has that year, but has more years of being very, very good. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's the debate. That's, you know, that that's where people are. I, I've got people, you know, telling me right now that John Tavares is not going to make the hall of Fame. He's just got his 500th goal. He's up to 1100 points.
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Sean McIndoo
He's. He's in. I. I am.
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JD Bunkis
He's. He's in. And the other thing, and, and again, this is. I'm. I'm making the mistake of going through the comments. My own piece. And, you know, you've. You've got people saying, and, and I'm sure it's like, how long are you gonna do this?
- [47:47]
Sean McIndoo
Like, how long? Like, like, yeah, you've been writing on the Internet for 30 years now.
- [47:54]
JD Bunkis
Yeah, I don't feel like it's been that long, but. Okay.
- [47:59]
Sean McIndoo
I mean, we both are. Jesus Christ, we're. We're old. Yeah, we've established that.
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JD Bunkis
Don't go digging up the old Usenet posts from the mid-90s. I don't feel like some of those takes would hold up especially well. But the, here's the, here's the thing on Tavares that a lot of people say is some variation of, you know, what if he, you know, to, to use the point that, that this guy in the comments is making. If instead of signing with the Leafs, he had signed in Columbus and was putting up the same numbers, nobody would be talking about him as a Hall of Famer.
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Sean McIndoo
And it's this idea like if, if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bike. Like, that's. It's what happened.
- [48:38]
JD Bunkis
That's.
- [48:38]
Sean McIndoo
That's how. That's how his career played out. Like, that's.
- [48:40]
JD Bunkis
And here's the other. This idea that. Okay, do players in Toronto get more attention than Columbus? Yes, absolutely. No question. Nobody is. Would ever argue that. But specifically for the hall of Fame, do players who had prominent stops in Toronto get, you know, are they more likely to get in? I don't think they are. I think if anything, it goes the other way. The one that stands out is Matt Sundin getting in on the first attempt. I guess some people could point to and go, you know, all right. I mean, Matt Sundin had a Hall of Fame career, but the fact that he got in quickly, I think he got in over Brendan Shanahan that year and, you know, some other guys. Okay, you want to point that one out. But Pat Burns took forever. It was it was a disgrace how long it took pat burns. Alexander McGilney just got in this year. That was ridiculous. And, you know, he, he had his stop in Toronto. Doug Gilmore took, like, I want to say, seven years to get in, even though he had 1400 career points. Dave Anderchuck took a long time to get in. You know, you go on down to Eric Lindros. Another one took him a while. Curtis Joseph still legendary.
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Sean McIndoo
Least. Least legendary.
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JD Bunkis
Yeah. I mean, Curtis Joseph taking. I mean, if Curtis Joseph should be in, if there's some sort of Toronto Maple Leafs boost, the. The only other Joseph should be in. He should. The only other guy that I. That played for the Leafs in any kind of prominent role who you could argue got in a little earlier or maybe was borderline to me is, is Joe Newendyke, and he played one year for the Leafs. So I, I just don't think there is a pro Leafs boost for the hall of Fame. And, and if anything, you know, maybe it goes the other way because, you know, who, who know. I mean, who knows with this committee, right. There's 18 people go into a dungeon somewhere.
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Sean McIndoo
It's small. It's small sample size. Then that's. So it's that. And that's such an unsatisfying thing for people.
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JD Bunkis
We have no idea what the vote looks like. Right. Like, we, we mentioned Curtis Joseph. I think Curtis Joseph's a Hall of Famer. To me, this was a guy who, for years and years in the NHL, you looked at starting in St. Louis, certainly in Edmonton, where you were like, this guy's one of the best goalies in the league. He's got the numbers, he's got the wins. Is he, He's. He's never got the 14 votes from the committee. That's all we know. Is he stuck at 13? Did he go from five to seven to nine? And he's. He's getting closer and closer. Is he even being discussed? Right. We don't know. Maybe they're not nominating him and he's just never even comes up. We have no way of knowing. Kind of stinks. You know what doesn't stink, though? You know, it is fantastic. We talked about how long it took Alexander McGilney to get in.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah. And lied. Yeah.
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JD Bunkis
And whenever a year after year when he didn't get in and you went, how is this happening? One of the things you always heard was they're worried he's not going to show up.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah.
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JD Bunkis
We found out he finally got. He's not showing up. Hell yeah. Good job. Alexander McGilney. He's apparently gonna send in a video or something. I hope it's just, I hope it's.
- [51:55]
Sean McIndoo
Like deuces, like hey, thank you.
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JD Bunkis
Yeah, whatever. Just like, you know, one. I hope he does like the tick tock thing where like he's eating, he's eating a salad and you know, it just to just sitting there like what's up? You know, does. Is, you know, gets that in there and, and it's, it's 15 seconds long. I, I hope that happens.
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Sean McIndoo
It's a pretty good class we're talking about overall too. I mean those are. There's a. Yeah, it's a deep one. It's a diverse one. There's some, there's some builders. There's. They're finally starting to get the, the women's log jam taken care of because I was on the verge of being a major, major, major problem moving forward. So we got, you got Decker and so going in there as a builder, that's important. They needed to get that resolved and I think this was one step in the, in the right direction there.
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Frank Corrado
So.
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JD Bunkis
Yeah, it's always nice to have a class where I, I don't think, you know, certainly on the player side, builders are always a little, always a little weird. But I, there, there's nobody this year that anyone's doing the whole like, should they be in, should they not like these. There may be some people who had some other player where they're like, oh no, my, my guy should have got in instead of McGilney or you know, maybe Keith or that. But these, these, these are all hall of famers and there's. There's no dispute around it. That's, that's cool.
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Sean McIndoo
Can watch the speeches. We can enjoy Alexander McGilney's 5 second video sent from, filmed vertically and sent from his phone.
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JD Bunkis
That's right. Yep.
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Sean McIndoo
Have a nice little weekend, bud. What's up with you this week? Yeah, I, I know you got the hall of Fame post went up today on Wednesday. There's some other stuff later on that I may or may not have been involved with.
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JD Bunkis
The return of rules Court, it's back and it's tough. You were being, you were being kind of a, kind of a stick.
- [53:44]
Sean McIndoo
I said no. I said no to a lot of stuff.
- [53:46]
JD Bunkis
You were dropping no's everywhere. You're, you're, you were like in angry parent mode. You were Frankie driving past the McDonald's drive through with the twins in the back. Just absolutely not. So it wasn't.
- [53:58]
Sean McIndoo
Absolutely not though. There were. We're not. We're not gonna ruin it. I. I was close. I was close on. On some stuff. I thought all the suggestions were. Or honestly, really they were. It was a good batch. There's.
- [54:09]
Frank Corrado
It was pretty.
- [54:10]
Sean McIndoo
Pretty, pretty creative.
- [54:11]
JD Bunkis
I. I'm amazed. This is the 10th one that we've done.
- [54:14]
Sean McIndoo
It's incredible.
- [54:16]
JD Bunkis
I thought maybe at the beginning we'd get to like, three. That. That felt like there were 20 rules that need changing. No, you guys are still. Still cooking. We're up to, you know, 70 plus of these. I think so. Keep them coming.
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Sean McIndoo
There was one in particular that I could have sworn we did already. I. And I. I think, you know. I think you know which one it was. I. I was like, there's. There's no way. We haven't. We haven't tackled this one.
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JD Bunkis
There are some. And the other thing that I find so, so interesting as the guy who goes through the batch, right? Like, you guys only see with the ones I pick out, but I. I get to see which ones come up again and again and again. And it's very strange to me which ones. It. Like, I'm just like, what happened? That suddenly everybody feels really strongly that, like, a penalty shot should also give you a power play. Like, what happened? What game did I miss?
- [55:07]
Sean McIndoo
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