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Joe Smith
This is the athletic hockey show.
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Haley Salvian
What's up, everybody? It's Haley Salvian and Sean Gentile here with you for another episode of the Athletic Hockey Show. Joe Smith, our Minnesota Wild beat writer, will join us later in the show to chat the big Quinn Hughes trademark. But first, we'll get some news. We'll get some notes from around the NHL with Sean. That's right. It's always our first little segment. I've trademarked it only. Only on Thursdays here, folks. You'll never see this on anything we talk about.
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Roelof Botha
News.
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Sean Gentile
Yes.
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Haley Salvian
Or radio show on this planet. What's up? I feel like we haven't. We haven't done this in a while.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, because you bailed on me last week and made me talk to the dreaded Chris Johnston all by myself. Thanks for nothing.
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Haley Salvian
C.J. was like, oh, Haley's sick. Yeah, I'm available.
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Sean Gentile
I'm in. Tell Gentilly to ring me up. Let's go.
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Haley Salvian
No, I couldn't speak. I had like. It's been a long time since I felt like a little kid when I was sick. That makes sense. Like, the full. Like, I was freezing cold, body aches, fever, headache, lost my voice. Like, it was like, I. I need my mom.
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Sean Gentile
Yes.
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Haley Salvian
I need a soup.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah.
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Haley Salvian
I need to be nursed back to health.
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Sean Gentile
Acting like either a small child or a very, very old woman. Yes.
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Haley Salvian
Hey, it's one of the other. Yeah. Really, really. Just feeble. And was like, I can't do the show, but I'm okay now. I'm feeling better. We're back.
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Sean Gentile
I'm glad. Glad to hear it.
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Haley Salvian
Yeah. All right, so a little bit of news that we want to get to before we chat with Joe Smith. This came out on Wednesday after you guys were done with the show. But the Pittsburgh Penguins once again are being sold, this time to new owners. A Chicago based family, the Hoffman family, Fenway Sports Group. They're out after four years. Fsg, which took control of the Penguins from Mario Lemieux and ron Burkel in 2021. Selling the team off already. I got a text from my dad last night being like, wtf? FSG selling team question mark, question mark? He was flabbergasted. So can you like, address my dad and the nation, Sean? Like, what's. What's the nation? Who wants to know?
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Sean Gentile
The con, the continents. Yes. Canada and the United States.
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Haley Salvian
Yeah, that's right. I guess my dad's not in America.
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Sean Gentile
Mexico.
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Haley Salvian
What. What's going on here? Because it. It seems weird and this is the 13th time in the team's 58 year history that the Penguins will have new ownership. It's once again another group of out of town billionaires. FSG wasn't bad ownership, but fans didn't really love that they had zero ties to Pittsburgh. And now there's a Chicago family coming in, like, what. What do you make of this? How should fans or people like my dad be friends feeling?
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Sean Gentile
So my understanding of this is that last year whenever FSG publicly said, all right, we're looking for minority investors. Anybody want to buy $200 million piece of this team? Like, talk to us. The Hoffman group wanted the whole thing. They were like, ah, why? How about we just try to buy. To buy the entire thing In Fenway Sports, you know, they are a money making endeavor above all else. I think they saw the opportunity to take a $900 price tag and turn it into a 1.75 or $1.8 billion sale price and said, okay, yeah, we can, we can try to make that work. So it's been, it's been slower going than we thought. Initially, in August, FSG and Hoffman Group entered into an exclusivity period where they were the only ones who were allowed to negotiate. That lapsed. There was some question I think a couple months ago over whether the deal would go through. But here we are, it's December 18th and you know, we got something done. A couple points. FSG certainly was. Disengage is probably a harsh way. Is probably the harshest possible fair way. Way to put it.
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Haley Salvian
Penguins were not their priority.
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Sean Gentile
No. No. Because they got to worry about Liverpool and they got to worry about the Red Sox and whatever else. There was no full time FSG executive in town. Right. So, so, so they're taking the Penguins management is, you know, taking calls from Boston and whatever else. And I think that rubbed certainly a big chunk of the fan base the wrong way because you do feel like there's an absentee landlord opponent to all this, but also Fenway. And this is where Penguins fans need to be careful with being overly excited about this. Fenway paid all the bills and they cut all the checks that Kyle Dubas could have wanted. That hockey staff is enormous. It's, it's a 13 person front office. It's a 26 person scouting staff. It's a team that could, that could have spent to the cap if it wanted to. So financially, you know, there was plenty, plenty, plenty of support from, from Fenway. Now there's like, there's certainly an emotional component to it when you're talking about an ownership group clicking with a fan base that there wasn't present. But I think you got to be careful if you're a Penguins fan who's, who's overly excited about this for, for that, for that reason. Now, is it the Hoffman family? Yes, in the sense that it is, that it's a family owned, a family owned concern and there is a father and children at the top, at the top of the food chain, but it's also the Hoffman family of companies where they own hundreds literally of, of brands that they've, that they've bought into over the years. So this isn't, this isn't necessarily the, the mom and pop shop, you know, everybody's family approach to things. And it's also not the singularly wealthy guy model where they've seen in the past. Either. So There is some. You know, there is. Be. Be careful before you start framing it, framing it that way. Now, do I think that this is an overall good thing for the Penguins? Yeah, I do. There's a chance to get Mario Lemieux involved back in more intimately, which. Which had certainly been an issue in the Hoffman family, above all else, seem like they really care about hockey. They own the Florida Everblades, and they've been trying to buy a professional, you know, an NBA team or an NHL team for years. So we can. They have hockey ties, yada yada. They check a lot of boxes, and there's certainly a reason for optimism over this, but I do think, you know, Penguins fans, from what I've seen online, probably need to slow their role just a little bit. Let's see how this pans out before we're ready to, you know, call it an unfettered upgrade over whatever we saw from Fenway Sports.
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Haley Salvian
Yeah, and I don't know if anyone saying that yet. It's more just like, why are they. Why are they being sold already? What's going on? So there's a lot of stuff from Josh Yoi. Rob Rossi also did something like, who is the Hoffman family? Back in August, actually. Like, that's how long this has been kind of percolating in some hockey circles. So Rob did a nice job kind of introducing who these people are, what this company is. The Everblades, which they own, have, like, been fared pretty well. It's an ECHL team, but they've done well under that ownership. So lots to chew on there from Rob and from Josh. And I think it's just like, FSG looked at the Penguin like, this is their corporation, and it was like, oh, we have an opportunity to make a bunch of money here. Take the Penguins then. And, like, that's good business. But it leaves fans being like, what the heck is happening? Are we okay? Looks like the anth. The short answer right now is yes, but let's also wait and see how the new ownership group does.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, they sold. They sold because they could make a billion dollars plus whatever profit they made on the team over the last four years. You know, is it a short turnaround? Absolutely. Should that make people nervous? Yes, to some extent, but I don't think there's any particularly difficult explanation as to why this happened. Now, a billion dollars is a lot of money for. For. For anybody, including fsg.
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Haley Salvian
All right, let's get to a couple games from last night. There's two that were on the schedule Wednesday night that stood out to me for more than just the stat line. There's some bigger takeaways that we can get to from last night's slate of games. Number one, the Florida Panthers. They are charging up the standing. Sean. They win three to two last night against the Los Angeles Kings. Carter Verheaggie, he's got seven goals. He's been great in December. His line with Sam Bennett and Brad Marchand have been excellent in the month of December. And so have the Florida Panthers. They have gone from last in the east on December 2nd to winning six of their last seven. And now they are one point back of a wild card spot or just a spot in the Atlantic. Like, they're one point out of being in a tie for a playoff spot. So a huge, huge month of December for a team that could be getting Matthew Chuck back in about a month.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah. And they're beating relevant teams, too. Right. Like, we see it, saw it last night to beat the Kings. Kings are good. Beat Tampa before that. Beat Dallas before that. Utah, the Islanders, Columbus to some extent. So, so this is, this isn't fool's gold. They're not beating up on the, on the Flames and the Kraken and, you know, the, the, the dregs of the league here either. They're 29, 20 and goal differential over those seven games. I think this is the push that everyone, you know, overall was expecting from them. But also they had been mediocre and, and, and struggling to some extent for long enough where it was fair to wonder whether this was going to happen. Like, we were getting to that point where it was like, it's moving day. Right?
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Haley Salvian
Yeah.
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Sean Gentile
If they're, if, if, if they're gonna snap into Panthers mode, they need to do it pretty quickly. And I, I, I think we've seen them do just that. Yeah.
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Haley Salvian
And the Panthers still don't know if Matthew Kachuk will be. I saw this this morning, given a lot of the talk about the Winter Classic coming, role models, playing the festival or whatever, but if you care, his name is Role Model.
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Sean Gentile
Is he? Oh, okay.
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Haley Salvian
He's a singer.
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Sean Gentile
Good for him.
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Haley Salvian
He's fun. The Panthers don't know if Matthew Tkachuk is going to be ready in time for the Winter Classic, so I say about a month. We still don't exactly know. That's probably the ideal timeline. If he's back in January, especially if you want him playing for Team USA at the Olympics, you probably want him to get, like, a couple weeks of games under his belt before heading to Milan. But we'll see. I think it's still. The fact is, is we're finally starting to see the whole, like, stay above water until you can get some guys back.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, they're right, they're right there. They're.
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Haley Salvian
They're doing more than now.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, yeah, they're, they're a point out of the wild card. They're a point out of third place in the Atlantic Division, which is currently Tampa. Like, they've bridged the gap and that's always what the season was. Was going to be like for them, is finding a way to keep their head above water until Kachuk comes, comes back and then. And then kind of seeing what happens. So. Yeah, I, I'm not surprised by it. I don't think anybody should be.
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Haley Salvian
No. It was a matter of time.
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Sean Gentile
At the same time, you know, a little bit earlier this month and certainly at the end of November, they were looking shaky enough where you're like, maybe. Maybe this isn't actually going to happen. But, you know, they've, they're the champs for a reason, man. And they've, and they've, they've shown that over the last seven games.
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Haley Salvian
And Sam Bennett's playing better lately too. I know we had Shane. Yeah, we, when we had Shayna on, it was like, should we cut him from Team Canada? Like, we don't need him. And Tom Wilson, if Sam Bennett's going to have eight points in the NHL or whatever it was. So he's come alive. That line has come alive. Carter Verhage, as I said, seven goals in the month of December. Only Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon and Alex DeBrincat have more. So that guy and that line are doing a lot of work for the Panthers right now.
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Sean Gentile
Carter, Carter Verhage is capable of carrying a team for Stretch. He's a, he's, he's, he's a streaky dude sometimes that. Sometimes the percent just don't go his way. But when he's, when he's at this level, man, he's, he's capable, he's. He's capable of being, you know, the, the first or second or third best player on a team. No question asked.
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Haley Salvian
When he's on, it works. Okay. One last thing before we get to Joe Smith. The Winnipeg jets lose again. 1 Nothing loss to the St. Louis Blues. They might be in some trouble, Sean.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, and Muratash had a great, a great piece around this morning saying, you know, just as, just as much this might, it's just this just might not be their year. That's good. That's kind of what it boils down to, I think. I think they were a team, you know, every, Everybody knew what the, what the potential stumbling. Stumbling blocks were for them. You know, they had a bunch of guys have career years last year and they, and they rely on Connor Hellbluff just like we just, like we all know, you know, you have some of those guys play a little bit worse than last season. You have Jonathan Toews not clearly not be the answer it to see at a minimum. And then you have Hellbucket hurt. Man, that's just, that's just a recipe. It's a recipe for bad news and especially now. I know we talked to Joe a lot about the, the state of the Central Division. You know, I think, I think the alarm bells should be, should be blaring in Winnipeg right now. No question.
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Haley Salvian
Yeah, his, his tweet with the story is actually very funny. It says, are the jets already cooked? And the headline is are the jets good again or already hopeless? A debate with myself.
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Sean Gentile
Marats. Marat's not cooked. Marat is cooking.
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Haley Salvian
Yeah, Marat's cooking right now. Yeah, it's. They're, they're interesting because I'm sure we'll have the same two conversations about them all year. Is, oh, actually, it's fine. The jets are looking good. I apologize. And then, oop. No, they're cooked. And that is kind of how we've talked about them over the last couple years. It's been a bit of a streaky team, but Hellebuck is back. Is that enough for them to get into playoff contention? Like, I don't, I don't know.
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Sean Gentile
He'll have, he'll have some stretch where he allows, you know, four goals in seven games or something and then, you know, okay, that's. I, I feel like that's certainly potentially on, on the books for them, but, man, Central Division's a beast. Yeah. And one of those teams just added the second best defenseman on earth with a little trademark with it. With little trademark sign next to it. I feel like you start charging because.
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Haley Salvian
This is really funny. Marat's great. Are the jets good again? Are they any good at all? Today my brain goes toe to toe with its worst enemy itself. It's great. Read. 61%.
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Sean Gentile
61% chance to make the playoffs according to Dom's numbers. So that's a, that's a very funny part of Murat's piece too. Now, now the jets want to listen to Dom. Very, very interesting.
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Haley Salvian
We. So we listen to Dom now, huh? It's really funny.
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Sean Gentile
I. I don't personally.
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Haley Salvian
No, never.
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Sean Gentile
I can't. Can't. Can't speak for the Jets.
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Haley Salvian
I just feel like they're gonna be stuck in the mushy middle and that's obviously not a great place to be.
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Sean Gentile
That's where they've always been. I don't care if they're winning presence trophies. That's a mushy middle team, my friends. I hate to break it to you.
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Haley Salvian
Okay, well, now everyone's going to be mad at us anyways.
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Sean Gentile
What are you going to do?
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Haley Salvian
Let's take a break. When we come back, we're going to talk to Joe Smith about Quinn Hughes. I don't know if you heard, he's on the Wild now. It's crazy. That's coming up next.
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Haley Salvian
All right, I know we've had a lot of Quinn Hughes conversations over the last week on the Athletic Hockey show, but somehow nobody has been able to wrangle Joe Smith or Mike Russo. They might be busy. Something might have happened. I don't really know what's going on in Minnesota, but we finally got Joe Smith here on the show. It's been busy. What's going on over there? Why? What happened?
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Joe Smith
Yeah, State of Hockey has been pretty excited in the last week. A little busy here, but. But yeah, it's if you're a hockey fan and I mean just a blockbuster trade like this rarely ever happens. Right. One of the top players in the entire world. So. And I've definitely made a, a huge impact on the Wild, on the NHL and the Central Division, which is murderous right now. So you know, clearly judging from the first couple of games and the ovation he got the first game in his debut, they're really going to love Quinn and I think they hope that Quinn really loves them.
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Haley Salvian
What has the Quinn Hughes experience been like in Minnesota the last five days? You just spoke a little bit to the reaction, the response. I know there was so much on social media, just like seeing Quinn Hughes and the wild jersey the first time. It's a 61 win in his debut. Just like immediate star power on the power play. Like there's just so many prongs to what Quinn Hughes is going to mean for this franchise but what does the first few days look like for you, Joe?
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Joe Smith
Well, initially there was just a huge amount of shock, right, among everybody and the people not realizing, oh, this is. This happened to us.
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Sean Gentile
Right?
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Joe Smith
And then it went into a lot of genuine excitement among the players, too. They were doing these group chats and like, Flo found out he was calling everybody from Kirill and Spurgeon like, hey, do you see what happened? And players were just generally pumped. They're going to miss the guys that they traded in, Marco Rossi and Z Bouilliam and Liam Ogren, but they're genuinely excited, of course, about this big time player in Quinn Hughes. And the, the first game at Gran Cristina arena was electric. I mean, the guy got a standing ovation at the end of warmups, just the whole game, anytime he had the puck on his stick, you know, anticipation and making some noise and there were signs and like, I think he really was blown away. He said he knew this was a hockey market, but he was kind of blown away by the response and how he was valued not just by the Wild fans, but by Bill Guerin. Like, as you. I'm sure you saw the quote about that about him sacking up and giving up a huge package for him. But yeah, like, there's just a genuine amount of excitement around the fan base and that whole place went nuts on Sunday and then Tuesday. And they're obviously riding a hot streak as it is and they're really banged up. Like they're missing like five regulars right now. They're still on this stretch of really good hockey. And so they're hoping that once he gets settled in and they get some of their regular, some of the regular players back that they'll be able to keep this rolling in the second half of the season. But crazy right now that with how good they've been, they're still third in the division and third of the league.
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Sean Gentile
Right? Yeah, I think it's an indicator of how good they'd been for the last six weeks, really outside of, outside of October. They've been, they've been incredible. They, they were doing it without much in the way of production from, from the defense. Right. Like they were, I think, 29th in points from the blue line. They had no players projected to have a plus offensive net rating at defense, which is, which is crazy. So that the fact that they were able to put together that run and still have, you know, a pretty serious area of need in the first place was impressive. And then you tack on the fact that like you, outside of maybe Cal Makari, you couldn't address that issue with a, with a better fit than Quinn. I mean it's. The optimism has to be incredibly, incredibly high for good reason right now.
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Joe Smith
Absolutely. And you mentioned the points from the blue line and Faber has been really good the last five, six weeks offensively and you saw his first game with, with Quinn of just how much he was mowing up in the play and creating offense. But, but you're right, they don't create much, much points from the blue line but he fixed that automatically in the power play. It becomes that much better. Wait till Matt Sucerllo gets back from his injury. You know, one of the issues that they've had were like not too much rush, chances, zone entries, all that stuff. And that's what his, you know, specialty is basically one man breakout. And so for him to be able to feel the offense a little bit, which they've been struggling for, secondary scoring only makes the rest of the guys better.
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Haley Salvian
Do you think the plan is to keep him with Brock Faber, Joe, or do you see the Wild maybe splitting them up to give Faber the more defensive minutes and then you just give Quinn the time to be that one man breakout or do you like the idea of them playing together to help push Faber more into the offensive side of his game?
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Joe Smith
Well, it's still early, Haley, but I think the first few games I think they're going to try to stay with that assuming Brodyn gets back and is healthy. I think Brodyn and Spurgeon are a really good second pair there too. So they play together for a long time before, so I think they can do both. And so I think the way it slots in now, it'll be, you know, Hughes and Faber, Brody and Spurgeon and then when the healthy Middleton and Boghossian. So it's hard to find maybe outside of Colorado a better top six. I think right now.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, it just, it makes everything fall into place for them, doesn't it? Like. Yeah, I look at, I look at Brody and Spurgeon and you know, I think their game is such that you could imagine Minnesota using those guys in, in the way that we've seen Tampa bay use Ryan McDonough and whoever else over the years where you say all right, you guys, you guys maybe, maybe get some of the D zone starts, maybe eat some of the toughs and free up at least a little bit more matchup wise for, for Quinn, for Quinn and Faber to feast. It's wild. It's wild. What happens whenever you add a top two defenseman in the league to your blue line, how everything else just kind of magically falls into place. But if it feels like. It feels like that's what we're looking at with them right now. Yeah.
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Joe Smith
And I think if you're a wild fan, like, when else in history have you had arguably three of the top 20 players in the world on your team? You know, Caprisov, I think boldies in that category. And Hughes, so he just changes the complexion of the entire team, basically from the back end forward. And, you know, I think one of the needs that they had going in was either like a. Of help up front, like a scoring winger or something like that. I think he creates so much office from the back end and makes other guys better and creates more zone opportunities and that's going to help fix that need. Even though I think they're still going to try to fix that or try to address that before the deadline. I think that does help in the short term.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, doesn't that? It kind of gives them, it gives them options moving forward. It gives Garen options moving forward in terms of what he does next. Right. Because I think before, you know, it's always been an issue for them where we're talking about center depth and is Rossi, is, is he. Is he a top six piece, you know, blah, blah, blah. All these questions we've had about them down the middle for, for a couple generations worth of players moving back now, it's like, you know, when you have that element in the back end, you can probably get a little bit more creative. You got, you can get a little bit more flexible in terms of, in terms of the kind of additions that you make to the forward group. It doesn't just have to be. They add a center because, because that's just, you know, that's, that's where they're lacking and it seems like they have added some, some. Some real flexibility in terms of future moves.
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Joe Smith
You know, Danila, you're off. Should be brought up in this conversation too. So I don't think this deal gets done or they feel more comfortable about this deal getting done and trading Marco Rossi. That Danilo year off has emerged so well as a rookie here, the Russian here, first round pick, same draft class as Ogren has really stepped into like a top line role. Right. And now he was with Caprice off and Tarasenko, the Russian line since Mezzi Guerrillo is injured. But his 200 foot game is smarts. He's got some size to him. So I think for him to kind of Develop to where he is. Made Bill Guerin feel more comfortable doing Rossi because, like, you know, if you like him or not, he is a top six center, a guy who's played every game the last couple years, and very durable and smart and strong. So to have him there and then Joel Arcsanek at one of the top shutdown centers, his number two center, Ryan Hartman and Nico Sturm, great guy for playoffs and draws like that too. So there's still be a little thin there in terms of behind there of an injury away from being a little bit of an issue. But like you said, when you have puck movers in the back end, that helps create some more opportunities and the like. And you have some wingers who drive play like centers too. Like I remember covering Kucherov in Tampa. He created like a center, right? The way he entered the zone and all that stuff like that too. So you can have guys who aren't in that center spot create like that.
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Haley Salvian
So we've talked a bit about the Central to meet grindr in the NHL right now with the ABs, the Stars and the Minnesota Wild. And I think the Wild were obviously looking like a contender before this trade. We've mentioned that in this conversation. They were playing really well outside of a bad start to this NHL season. But now the Minnesota Wild add that number one puck moving play, driving defender, and Quinn Hughes, somebody that the ABS and Stars kind of both had on their cup checklist. So, Joe, I'm curious, how does this trade shake up the Central a bit to you? Or does this make the Stars even, or the Wild, excuse me, even more competitive against the ABs and the stars? Like, how does this maybe change the makeup of the top of this division and maybe even the league for you?
- [31:20]
Joe Smith
Yeah, well, I don't think it. It just supplants Avalanche all of a sudden. Right. I think Avalanche are still the class of the NHL and for a lot of different reasons for that. But I think if you. If you are the Minnesota Wild or the Dallas Stars, you know, have to go through that first round series and that gives. This gives them a much better chance to get out of that one and then go once you get out of that one, I think for this franchise and fan base, just a mental hurdle getting out of the first round. Haven't done that in 10 years. So I think to do that, all of a sudden, anything's possible. Right. But I do think in the elements of the top three, it does give them a better chance to advance. It doesn't give them all of a sudden the number one team in the in the Central. I think Colorado still is up there, but the Wild have played those teams well this year. Maybe not in previous years, but they have played them. They both beat them both and in their home matchups this year. So even while shorthanded. So I think they ended the Avalanche Levy game winning streak and the Stars 11 point streak at the same time. So I think it does make it even that I think they're all I think Dallas and Minnesota are pretty deadlocked right now in terms of what they have. I think Colorado's a little bit ahead of them, but it definitely puts them in a much better position. I think to me to go into a series and say you can win 4 out of 7 now.
- [32:31]
Sean Gentile
Just more generally about about the Wild. What's the what's the division of labor going to look like with Philip Gustafson and Jesper Walstedt moving forward? I mean Walstedt's been a revelation. He's a top prospect who comes in and he's got however many shutouts now. But Gustafson is, you know, clearly and then in the last couple weeks given us a nice or the last week or so given us a reminder of of of his bona fides as well. So is this a situation where we're going to see it's like a 5050 timeshare moving forward or what's what's the going thought in terms of what things are going to look like in the net moving forward?
- [33:03]
Joe Smith
Yeah, it's a tough question. I think they, they have gone aside from one rare example of not of the strict goalie rotation, the back and forth 5050 the last month or so and I think that will continue going forward as long as the schedule is as condensed as it is. So you know, because Gusup sent a shut up the other night, both of them are kind of feeding off of each other. Both of them are staying fresh, which is important I think, I think will be interesting to me is what happens down the stretch. Do they give it to a guy and say hey this year the number one. Now because this is hard for me to envision a goalie split in a playoff situation that is harder to do to have your goalie go back and forth 50 50. So I do think they're going to continue that from the time being of having Wallstadt and Gustafson splits the starts, which makes sense considering how well things have been going. So why change what's not broken? But I'll be curious if that changes from John Hines like down the stretch, if somebody can, quote, unquote, win the net and all of a sudden have that going into the playoffs versus just going half and half.
- [34:06]
Haley Salvian
All right, so one more question for you, Joe. I know you and Russo have been working on a ton of this Quinn Hughes content. Everyone can read it at the Athletic, but obviously one of the big ones is the kind of future looking question. There are no long term guarantees from Quinn Hughes in Minnesota, but there's maybe reason to believe why Is there reason to be optimistic about Quinn Hughes's long term future in Minnesota? I know it's early, but we have to ask.
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Sean Gentile
Well, it's.
- [34:36]
Joe Smith
I know it's early, but it's not too early for fans to wonder, right? I mean, the minute this happened, you're wondering. You have this big of a haul in a trade, you have to feel like there's some way to keep them. And I think what struck me in his press conference, which the quotes have gone viral ever since, was he didn't have to say all the things he did about the Wild and how much they gave up to give him get him right. He could have said, I'm open minded, I've been here four hours. Let's see what happens. Let's play it out. But he went out of his way to basically say it made a big difference for me that Billy Guerin was sacking up and give us all these prospects and this package, how much they valued me. I think he wants to feel valued. He wants to feel important. He wants to feel like he's a big part of the future. And so he said he'll remember that. So I think that was a signal to me and people I've talked to and Russo talked to who know him well, said that was not lip service at all. That was not phony. He truly means that. So his relationship with Bill Guerin and how this trade came about and how it was handled certainly will help them with some goodwill going forward. But the number one thing to me and what's important to Quinn Hughes is winning. And so I think the best thing that the Wild can do to convince him to stay is have a strong second half and a good playoff run here this year. And if he feels like if the hockey is good, a lot of other things fall into place as well. And so I think that's what will be important for the Wild to show their guy are a true contender now. So. But if they do do that, then I don't think it's hard to argue for him a better place he said it's close to Detroit, to his family. He's still on the east coast, kind of. And then if you signed a three year.
- [36:07]
Haley Salvian
Yeah.
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Sean Gentile
How far, how far is that drive to the beach from, from Minneapolis, right? Yeah.
- [36:11]
Joe Smith
Stone Shore is a little far away. Jersey Shore is far away. But let's say you sign a three year deal, right? And then you, you lock up with, with Jack when he's a free agent, right. And you're both free agents together, so they don't. He doesn't have to sign a eight year deal next summer. You can sign a shorter deal, go for a cup runs here and then all of a sudden have options then. So.
- [36:35]
Sean Gentile
Go to the beach.
- [36:35]
Haley Salvian
Yeah.
- [36:35]
Sean Gentile
Are they, are they viewing this as two playoff runs with him regardless? Like, is, is there a world. Is, is there a world where we, where. Where he gets flipped into deadline again next year or can we, can we pencil him in for that much?
- [36:49]
Joe Smith
It's hard to imagine knowing Bill Guerin the way he, like, he goes for it and he's a risk taker. I could see them doing the two playoff runs with him, depending on how this one goes, of course. But you know, in theory they like to have some sort of idea before then if it's going to happen. If they don't, if they're told, kind of like Vancouver was told that it was time, then I think they'll have, they have no choice but to make that move at the deadline a couple years from now and recoup some assets. But all they're thinking now is like, hey, this is, this is, this is our guy. He's part of big. Part of our future. And we're playing it like this is a guy who's going to be on this team for many years to come. So let's just, let's enjoy the ride and see what happens. And there's a lot for fans to enjoy now with Quinn Hughes on the back end.
- [37:36]
Haley Salvian
All right, Quinn Hughes, third game with the Minnesota Wild tonight, Columbus Blue Jackets, Minnesota Wilds Joe and Russo will be there. Keep reading all their content. There's like actually so much stuff on the website, Joe. It's crazy.
- [37:51]
Sean Gentile
Like, it really is wild. Weird.
- [37:52]
Haley Salvian
As someone who's like, worked with Russo the last little bit on rivalry series, I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot just like how your motor operates. That dude is like on another one right now.
- [38:04]
Sean Gentile
You guys are, you guys are both machines. I, I want, I want one solid, meaty Quinn Hughes feature every three days moving forward, please.
- [38:13]
Joe Smith
We're working on it. Yeah. Last Friday and Saturday I think were like six stories. I think Friday and Saturday it was like crazy.
- [38:20]
Haley Salvian
Read them all. It was great prep for this. Thanks so much Joe. We appreciate it.
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Joe Smith
Thank you guys.
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Haley Salvian
Thanks so much to Joe Smith for joining us on the show to break down the Quinn Hughes trade a little further. Like really just can't speak enough to how this trade is going to impact the central. I don't like Joe said, is it going to mean that the Wild are going to beat the ABs? No, but it makes everything more juicier and it makes them, at the very least, more competitive and able to win a playoff series, which is what fans have wanted to see for a while.
- [41:01]
Sean Gentile
For. Yeah, seven years or once. Once in seven years. How. Whatever the streak is. Yeah. It just ensures that they're going to go into whatever the first round matchup is without having some major box left unchecked. Right. Because that's, that's serious stuff. You know, you're going to be playing against Cale McCarr and you know you're going to be playing against Miro Haskin. And you know, I know the jets are a mess right now, but you're potentially playing against Josh Morrissey. Like, you're looking at guys who are top 10, you know, at the minimum defenseman in the league. And when you don't have anything approaching that. And all due respect to Brock Faber, but he doesn't have that level of dynamism that, that we see from those guys. You know, it's. It's important to be able to go out and get somebody who can go toe to toe with them, and Quinn Hughes can do a whole lot more than that. So, yeah, I think it's a. It's a. It's a big deal for the, for, for the Central. Absolutely.
- [41:50]
Haley Salvian
Okay. So one thing I did want to bring up, and this has been on my mind since I saw the Quinn Hughes quote everyone wants to talk about, and I don't want to come off like I'm poo pooing Bill Guerin or the Wild. I'm not raining on your parade. I think two things can be true here. Do I. Do I take Quinn Hughes at his word that he likes being appreciated and Bill Guerin did a good job trading for him? Yes. However, all I see when I. Every time I see that quote about Bill Garon sacking up, I just see that as a shot at Tom Fitzgerald and the Devils for not making the trade that everyone thought was going to happen or everyone was asking for. For. To me, that's like, thanks, Bill. Are like ice cream sundae king throwback to our.
- [42:45]
Sean Gentile
That's a poll. Yes. Deep pool.
- [42:48]
Haley Salvian
Real fans will know. Yes. I think that's like, thank you, Bill, because it was a good trade.
- [42:55]
Sean Gentile
He.
- [42:55]
Haley Salvian
He did sure sack up.
- [42:59]
Sean Gentile
So you, like, wince every time you say it's gross.
- [43:02]
Haley Salvian
I like, it's whatever. It's not for me. But I also see that as like, hey, Devils, I see that you didn't make this deal. I see You.
- [43:17]
Sean Gentile
Yeah, we should have brought in Mac and do to do his trades are hard. Bit like someone think of the court of Quinn Hughes.
- [43:26]
Haley Salvian
But what am I to do?
- [43:30]
Sean Gentile
And we see the. We see the excuse making to where the Devils are up against the cap and they would have had to maybe move Andre Palat or Dougie Hamilton or blah blah, blah, blah.
- [43:41]
Haley Salvian
Sorry.
- [43:42]
Sean Gentile
Just. Just do it because then you run the risk of Quinn Hughes ending up in Minnesota. Pretty good situation. As Joe said. It's. It's close to Detroit. He's playing with Carol Caprizov and he's playing with Matt Boldy who he's going to be on the Olympic team with in a couple months. Mind you, it's a pretty. It's a pretty good team in winning changes the calculus. So if he does end up in Minnesota, say they do beat the Dallas Stars in the first round of the playoffs, then who knows what happens? Man, you are. You are putting a lot of faith in the allure of playing with. Playing with Jack and playing with Luke because Minnesota is a pretty good place to play hockey for. For a lot of different reasons. And absolutely the. The doors. The door is open right now and the fact that it's open because they couldn't clear cap and trades are hard and blah, blah, blah. That's. That's. That's tough.
- [44:34]
Haley Salvian
Yeah. You're not. I'm not. I'm not buying the sob story and I just see that as Bill did it and you didn't buy.
- [44:44]
Sean Gentile
Hey, it's true. So bought on bottle lie, man. Quinn. Quinn Hughes is on a new team right now and it ain't Tom Fitzgerald's. So it's the way. That's the way the ball bounces. It's the way the puck bounces.
- [44:57]
Haley Salvian
All right, that's enough. Sorry, wild fans. Like we've been gassing you up all week. I just. I needed to get that off my chest first.
- [45:06]
Sean Gentile
First round loss. Incoming. The streak continues. Yes.
- [45:09]
Haley Salvian
That's not what I said. Not what I said. Okay, one last thing to wrap the show. There's a little update on this. I was ready to spend 45 minutes doing a deep dive on. This was going to be a Haley and Sean find out episode of what happened in Seattle. I've got documents, I've got tweets, I've got one minute press conferences where only one person asks a question. And I wanted to get to the bottom of it. Sound of Hockey did. So thank you to Sound of Hockey. You've saved Sean and all of our dear listeners from Me trying to investigate.
- [45:53]
Sean Gentile
From 45 minutes worth of investigating a.
- [45:56]
Haley Salvian
Topic that really doesn't need much investigation. I just. No, I was just really interested in it. And then Joe Smith was available, so we changed course. But really weird situation in Seattle. The Kraken have lost eight of or nine of their last ten. Excuse me. Head coach Lane Lambert comes out after they lose to the abs, which was actually kind of like an entertainment. It was like a decent game. I know the Kraken haven't been great, but decent game least. At the very least, entertaining. Lane Lambert comes out, takes four or five questions from the team employee. It's about one minute. They're all short answers. And then he leaves. For those unfamiliar of how that works. Typically, coach comes out, there's a microphone or people. It's a scrum. And it. All the media ask questions like, I have never seen anything like that in my time working in the NHL where the local media in the room. Because there was some. There was. It's not like they weren't there. I've never seen anything where the media were not allowed to ask questions that's actually like, against the players, the media writers association and like, league media policies. So just like a truly wild thing. And the thought was, like, who did this? Like, what happened here?
- [47:24]
Sean Gentile
They treated it like the only analog I can find is the way it works the NFL. Whenever there's a bad call and there's a pool reporter and someone gets designated as the person to go ask so and so about what happened with the overturned touchdown call, like, in. In the fourth quarter. Like, that's the only. That's the closest comparison I can make here. I've certainly never seen it where there's a pool reporter situation, basically for a head coach.
- [47:50]
Haley Salvian
Yeah. So from the sound of hockey, they wrote about this last night, actually. So I'm glad this came out. And a member of the Krakens communication department explained what happened here because. Because honestly, it looked like Lane Lambert was like, sour grapes, being like, I'm not answering any fricking questions. Only from my team staff. Like, it looked like this was a coach's decision, in my opinion, which is just like, such sour grapes. Like, you guys have lost and now you don't want to speak to anyone. Like, I don't know, get over it. That's always my thought with, like, the media crankiness. And it looks like it was the PR department's decision, or so they say. They are now saying to the sound of Hockey that they got the questions funneled to the team Reporter. So the team reporter was like asking them, hey, what questions do you want to ask? And then he asked them of Lane Lambert. Instead of letting everyone ask their own questions, he retained the microphone for the whole one minute press conference. And then Lane Lambert left. So the team rep from the Kraken is saying that it was their decision. They wanted to do it to protect their head coach. It wasn't the head coach's idea. And they now feel bad because they put, you know, everyone in, you know, a bad position. It's just like, it was so weird. It was so weird.
- [49:34]
Sean Gentile
Yeah, it's, it's, it's not how it works. And I think it's indicative of how stuff has gone in Seattle this season. I know there was a, there was a stretch a month or so ago where they were using smoke and mirrors and chewing gum and toilet paper to, to rig their way up to the middle of the standings. It's a team that everybody thought was gonna be quite bad, and they are indeed quite bad. They've lost nine of 10 or 10 or 11 or whatever, whatever the stretch is. So stuff's going sour and people are getting mad. And that's, hey, that's life. That's life in the big leagues. That's, that's the way it goes. You're gonna have losing streaks where, you know, where the coach or whoever else doesn't really feel like answering questions. But anyhow, it works, you know, and I think it's definitely a little bit of a welcome to the big leagues moment. Whether it's Lane Lambert, whether it's the PR staff, you know, that's not how things are done. And people are going to notice if, if, if nothing else, man. Yeah, might be how it works in other and in other parts of society, but this, this isn't, this isn't full on state media. Like, you can still, you can still have some independent outlets asking, asking potentially difficult questions. Yeah.
- [50:43]
Haley Salvian
Yeah, definitely weird. It just made it look like he was hiding from the media or that the comms department didn't want media being hard on him. Weird choice. It blew up yesterday, so it was, it was a weird choice in Seattle.
- [51:02]
Sean Gentile
That team stinks too, so whatever. Like, there's, there's gonna be, there's gonna be more moments like this for them moving forward. I, I hope, I, I, I hope they're used to dealing with, you know, bad losses. I just think there's, like, potentially difficult questions because Seattle, Seattle stinks. Okay.
- [51:16]
Haley Salvian
You don't need to pile on. I was gonna say, like, they're bad.
- [51:20]
Sean Gentile
That's a bad. That's a bad hockey team.
- [51:22]
Haley Salvian
Yeah. And listen, like, I covered Daryl Sutter in Calgary. Like, I've dealt with coaches who like, don't want to deal with the media. There were some games and it was actually always kind of funny. There were some games where like Ryan Huska would come out because Daryl just be like, no, someone else go.
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Sean Gentile
Not.
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Haley Salvian
Fine.
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Sean Gentile
Not today.
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Haley Salvian
Send your assistant. Send someone else. You're sick of meeting the music. Ask one of your assistants to go do it. When it was funny is if, like Markstrom had a bad game, then Jason LaBarber would come out, which you know is Daryl being like, this is your fault. You go talk human shield.
- [51:56]
Sean Gentile
Yes.
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Haley Salvian
So there's. There's different ways to. It was just weird choice. The Kraken got dumped on pretty heavily yesterday. It was just like an unforced error.
- [52:08]
Sean Gentile
Just have. Just have Lambert come out and do it and do a one minute press conference with everybody and give short, bratty, angry answers to questions from a wider range of people than just then. Just then. Just Bob Condor, who is the.
- [52:20]
Haley Salvian
I was trying not to name him because, like, they put him in a bad spot too. Like awful. Like, I feel bad for him more than anything completely. Because what's he supposed to do? Be like, no, I'm not going to do that. It's just unfortunate. Just a really weird situation in a tough time in Seattle.
- [52:36]
Sean Gentile
And a great look into the tangled web of working in media in the. In the 21st. A quarter of the way through the 21st century too. It's, it's, it's fraught on a lot.
- [52:46]
Haley Salvian
Of different levels, but that's a bit more. Sausage gets made. Yeah, I'm glad we didn't have to investigate that. Thanks to Sound of Hockey for getting the answers for us.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, you guys. You guys only got eight minutes of that versus. Versus 45. So congratulations.
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Haley Salvian
I had all my notes already. All right. There's 10 games on the schedule in the NHL today. As we mentioned Columbus and Minnesota. If you want to catch the third game of Quinn Hughes in. In a wild jersey. Seattle Kraken, Calgary Flames. Tonight we can. Let's see.
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Sean Gentile
Get. Get psyched. What a game that is.
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Haley Salvian
Dallas, San Jose, Edmonton, Boston. Oh, Toronto. Washington's interesting. Pittsburgh Penguins, Ottawa Senators. I don't know why I'm reading the schedule. We've already hit our time.
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Joe Smith
Yeah.
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Haley Salvian
Thanks everyone for listening to this. I was trying to find like a good show because every. Or a good game because I kept being like, yeah, they all Trying to sell the game of hockey. Anyone listening to this is already. If you're still listening to this pod, I'm sure you like hockey a lot. So thanks everyone for listening. This is our last show of the year from Sean and I, Max L and Jesse of the next show on Monday. Sean and I will return on January 8th. Happy holidays, everyone. I wow, we got a good really, really big break. This is great. Bye, everybody. I'm in a great mood now.
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You've heard one of his songs before. He has that song called Sally. And then he brings out, like famous people who's like, he's like, where's my Sally tonight? And then like Kate Hudson comes on stage. He was, he used to date Emma Chamberlain. I was gonna say that on the show and you would have been like.
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Can we drop that into the show?
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