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Sean Gentili
What up?
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Sean McIndoo
It's the Athletic Hockey show for Wednesday, April 29, 2026. I am Sean Gentili. I am here with Sean McIndoo. We are speaking to you directly from our homes Sean in the Ottawa area. Me at the Edmonton courtyard. The the court. The the downtown courtyard. I think I've officially established residency here over the last couple weeks. It's great to be with you and Sean McIndewitz fine enough to be with you. Hello.
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Sean McIndewitz
Have you already planned out what you're going to be doing when you're back there for game seven?
- [03:12]
Sean McIndoo
I just, I do appreciate to some extent the way the game went last night where at least I knew, at least I knew early what I was doing today. At least I knew I was gonna have to head back to and I almost said Edmonton. I'm can head back to Anaheim this afternoon because the Oilers made it a laugher relatively early. We'll talk about that. But we're, we're going to, when we're obvious, we'll, we'll start with that. We're going to go through the rest of the games, set you up for tonight. Frankie Corrado is joining me later. McAdoo has a split. So if you're a Frankie head, just fast forward, you know, 36 minutes or whatever you can get to, you can get to what you want there. In the meantime, Sean, we'll start with Edmonton because that was the Edmonton Inheim because that's the only game I watched in its entirety last night. Obviously that, that was a tone setting goal by Vasily Put Golzen early in that one. They end up winning. Oh gosh. What was the, what was the final there? 4:1. Good. Good God. What did you see on your end? There was certainly some stuff in the building that I want to talk about in a minute. But what were you thinking when you were watching that? It felt like it was like, okay, we can sim to the end of this one. The first period.
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Sean McIndewitz
It felt like, I mean, what I saw was not very much because you had Boston and Buffalo going into overtime as the Oilers game was starting. And by the time that game was not even. By the time that game was done, it was three nothing while the overtime was still going on. And I guess I will thank the Oilers on behalf of all of us eastern media types. Got to go. Got to hit the hay early and do it guilt free for a change. So yeah, it was, you know, it was two nothing and then you texted us, said it's three nothing. We sat and waited five minutes for the incredible delay. Last night was very delayed and, and that was pretty much, I mean it wasn't game over period, end of story. Because, you know, we saw it in the, in Vegas, Utah. We saw three nothing lead blowing and you're sitting there going, but you know, the Oilers feel a little fragile right now. If it's a bad goal or something. And it didn't really happen. They just. They had taken control of the game and they dragged it to the finish line with relative ease. And now the series feels very, very different than it did 24 hours ago.
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Sean McIndoo
I was waiting for Podcolson to have a moment like that where it was like you could tell post game that most people who are writing post game were going to write about Vasily Podcles. And like that was the kind of game he had in the full context of everything where, you know, it's kind of a dud elsewhere. But he also popped in a real way. He's been their best forward in this series, I think, in a lot of different ways. He's got two goals, three assists, and he is generally looked like a guy who, if you were an unaffiliated observer or a fan of another team who's tuning in and watching Oilers Ducks, you watch him out there, I would imagine, and you think, this is man, okay. This is a guy I would like to have on my team. He's 24. He scored 19 goals in the regular season. He signed for a few more years for under $3 million. That looks like a rare bit of good business from Stan Bowman and dude I between McDavid in Bouchard and Chris Knobloch last night. It was like the pod Coles in love fest. Everybody loves that dude. Knoblock said that people fight to have him on. On their line, which is a. Which is a wild thought. So I, I thought that was interesting for a couple different reasons is that we got to talk about something other than the obvious, which, you know, Connor McDavid injury, Oilers choke in progress, blah, blah, blah. That was what. That was what we got for the last h. However many. However many days. But also like Pod Colson was part of a win on Edmonton's end that felt like they finally found the game that, you know, that they were. That they were looking for. They. Yeah, they got crushed down the stretch like in expected goals and shots. Part of that was because they were in a. In a shell. It kind of worked because they were forcing pretty much everything from Anaheim to the perimeter. Like Ingram face a lot of shots, but there weren't a ton of super dangerous ones outside like a couple flurries like at the. At the end of periods. Right. So there was stuff to learn from. From that one. Even though it was. Whatever done it was over before Bruin Sabers in a lot of ways.
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Sean McIndewitz
And it's.
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Sean McIndoo
It's.
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Sean McIndewitz
What a wild thing to say, right? To. To say he might be their best forward in this series. That's, that's what you need if, if you're the Oilers, right? Not for him to be the best forward on a team with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl, but to have somebody that you can at least say that about, to have it not be McDavid, dry Seidl and then a massive cliff down to the next guy. And we've been waiting for that and we've seen it for chunks from Zach Hyman over the years. Ryan Nugent, Hopkins a couple years ago was, was that guy for pretty much a full season. Now maybe we've, maybe we found our new piece, but, but that's what you need, especially when Connor McDavid is hobbling around and, and clearly not right. How much of that during the day there. And was there ever any real suspense on whether McDavid was going to play? Because he didn't make it sound like it afterwards. But that's hockey players always say, yeah,
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Sean McIndoo
I think part of it was just that they're just limiting how much he skates. Like, he didn't, he took a maintenance day on Saturday in Anaheim. Like, they, like, he's clearly dealing with something where they're like, okay, we're not even going to bother with this. It skates. And in practice days, like, we don't want to, we don't want to risk tweaking it. So I wasn't. And then I think it just turns into a semantic game where he doesn't take a morning skate. So, yeah, sure, he's a game time decision. I, My, my take when Knobloch labeled him as such, you know, in the morning, was that he was just like, yeah, whatever, he's, he's a, he's a game time decision. Even though everyone knew that barn and something wild he would be in there because he hasn't looked.
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Sean McIndewitz
Called an emergency meeting and changed.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah, right. Oh God. Oh God. What are we gonna do if, if McDavid doesn't play? I, I, because you know, he's been limited to some, to, to some extent. Like he's clearly like had been the, the camera shots of him on, on the bench have been, have been funny at times and you know, he's not moving laterally all that well. He's hitting his sixth gear a little bit less frequently. Like he's obviously going through something, but
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Sean McIndewitz
like he's only 10 faster.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah, right.
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Sean McIndewitz
Everybody else who's ever played, yeah, he's
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Sean McIndoo
only, he's, he's only beating three guys on the rush, you know, to twice a game. Instant instead of five times.
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Sean McIndewitz
Right.
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Sean McIndoo
So like, you know, he, he hasn't, he's not 100. But also like I, I haven't, I hadn't in hat. And don't look through it through the lens of like, oh God, like, like, like, what if he doesn't play? I think the reason, it was interesting and the reason we had to like, at least kind of prepare, you know, some kind of contingency plan if he didn't was that if he didn't, if he didn't play in that game after looking relatively like, you know, well enough to play A and B, it's, it's, it's an elimination game at home that would have set off like any alarm bell that was available in, in the, in the, in the province of Alberta.
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Sean McIndewitz
Right.
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Sean McIndoo
Like, like people, people would have lost their marbles because it would have said something or it would have been reasonable to read into that, that decision. But like, you know, he makes it irrelevant and comes out and looked fine at warm ups and it was just like, you know, whatever he sounded, he like, sincerely, I believed him post game and he was like, I was, I was always going to play. Like, I, I bought what he was, what he was selling there.
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Sean McIndewitz
It would be nice to get him healthy. If you're the Oilers, it's an understatement. And that is, that is the top. Because I mean, looking ahead, right, this is going to be a seven game series if the Oilers, if the Oilers win it.
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Sean McIndoo
Stop saying that.
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Sean McIndewitz
There's no rest. So now that it's guaranteed to go seven and then the Oilers are going to win and you're just going to stay in Edmonton, shut up for the Utah series. Where are we at on that? Because, I mean, I have, I've said this before, I have this, this thing that happens to me in the playoffs where if you talk to me about any series, whoever won the last game, I'm convinced is winning the series.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah.
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Sean McIndewitz
I just, my brain cannot. I know. I've, look, I've read my Bill Barnwell. I know momentum isn't really a thing in the sense that we always talk about it. And, but my hockey playoff brain doesn't know that. And so I'm looking at this series now, just as, you know, a day ago the orders were done. Are you kidding me? So, yep. And now I'm looking at this going, you know what? You had a nice run, Anaheim. You took, you took the conference champs as far as he could go. Now it's done. Edmonton's winning this series in seven Talk me out of that. Give me the Anaheim perspective of why this wasn't. You had your chance to land the knockout punch and you didn't do it.
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Sean McIndoo
I think there it's. It's a situation where I think they learned. You say we learned a lesson about the, about the pace of closeout game or potential. Potential closeout games. Right? That when you, when you have a team that's back against the wall and all that bs, all those cliches we've heard, but they, but they react differently. And I think. I think Anahe got a little bit of a taste of that before. And also, like, I know I said that a lot of perimeter shots, you know, the Oilers cleaned up what they were doing at the net front at least, and helped. Helped Ingram, you know, see pucks maybe more than he had in the past and that. That helped. But I think if you're the Ducks, you look at the way things went in the second, third period and you say, like, listen, man, we had. We had, you know, nine bad minutes to start the game, and then we fed it to them for, for. For 50. I don't know that that's completely true, but, like, it's close enough where if you're Anaheim, you can, you can say that, like, there was a stop that. It was a.
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Sean McIndewitz
Tell yourself.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah, a hundred percent. There was a stop, too, that Ingram made on Leo Carlson, like, late in the first period that, you know, unbelievable speed burst from. From Carlson, like down into the, down into the low slot and, and. And Ingram. Ingram handled it. That was in that moment. You saw the narrative, like that split second when the, when the pucks on Carlson stick. You're like, he's going to score here. They're going to go into. They're going to go intermission with a 3:1 deficit instead of 3:0. And then the Prime's going to be pumped for another Oilers meltdown after them blowing all these leads over the course of the series. Like, you could kind of see that crystallize. And I think that. I think they generally played well in the second two period. So, yeah, if you're the Ducks and you're Joe Quimble, by the way, was. Was not happy after the game. He was. He was. He was particularly sour with the way things went. So I don't know that that's necessarily, you know, the message he's bringing to the room where he's like, yeah, you guys. You guys, like, played fine in the second, third period. I doubt, I doubt that's what he was saying. But if you Wanted to hang your hat on something like that. You probably could if you're them, but yeah, I, I've, I've, I'm resigned to the fact that I'm going to continue flying between Edmonton and Anaheim. You know, whatever. Twice, twice more.
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Sean McIndewitz
What's the, what's the theme park situation in Edmonton?
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Sean McIndoo
There's Essatkin in land.
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Sean McIndewitz
Okay, great.
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Sean McIndoo
I got a, I got a park hopper pass between, between that and Fernando Pizanoville.
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Sean McIndewitz
Cool. Excellent.
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Sean McIndoo
All right. It's going to be a big, going to be a big day when I'm back here on March 2nd or whatever, whatever it is. All right, let's Boston Buffalo. That's a game. I, I unfortunately didn't see a second off because I had, I had work stuff to deal with. I was, I'm told that David Posernak scored a, scored a, a nice one at 9. 14 of overtime springs them. There is some cool line change stuff that happened there on Boston's end to set all that up that, that Fluto wrote about very, very well today. Of course, that one's three, two headed back to Boston. Sean McIndu, is this a write off game for the Sabers? Because I, I, I'm starting, I'm starting to get concerned.
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Sean McIndewitz
Yeah, well, I mean again, my, my bias towards the last team to have one kicks in because, you know it. Watching that game last night, first of all, if, if you didn't see it or if, if you're down in the States and it probably wasn't a big deal, there's this great moment before the game where the, the Buffalo anthem singer, her mic cuts out, starts. You know, it starts. I guess she must have borrowed the same mic that the referees use because it's cutting in and out. And in Buffalo, if people don't know, they always do the Canadian anthem, even if there's not a Canadian team because they're right up against the border. They got a lot of Canadian fans come down and it's just sort of a gesture they've always done. And so the mic cuts out and the Buffalo crowd starts singing the Canadian anthem. They know the words, they pick her up. And we get this moment of all of these American fans of an American team singing the Canadian anthem. And as if the Sabres weren't already everyone's favorite team, the entire country of Canada went, okay, that's it, that's our guy. Because every, every year at this time up here in Canada, especially during the cup drought years, we have to have this stupid debate about who's Canada's team and are we all cheering for the haves now? And it's never. We might actually have a Canada's team for once. And it's the Buffalo Sabres. And so you're sitting there going, man, this is great. I'm now sitting there thinking, if the Sabers go over three and blow this series after their fans saying the Canadian anthem, I'm going to think there might be something to this whole. This whole Canada.
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Sean McIndoo
They truly are Canada's team.
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Sean McIndewitz
That will be the turning point.
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Sean McIndoo
So we got two rounds to, like, two rounds in this series of people realizing that they sing the Canadian anthem in Buffalo. Like it happened earlier. Like, I saw, I saw that circulate, you know, because whatever Sabers, I would
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Sean McIndewitz
never seen a Sabres game.
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Sean McIndoo
That's exactly. Like I, I was, like, not annoyed by it, but I was like, didn't we already do this? Like, I thought, I thought, I thought everybody who is, you know, who paid attention to hockey was at least vaguely aware of it. Clearly, clearly was wrong. And he. And the reason for that is that nobody's paid attention to the sabers for 14 seniors or whatever it is. So. So people are learning all this stuff fresh. Yes, that was, that was, that was a nice change of pace to see.
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Sean McIndewitz
And, And I'll tell you this, because the, the game itself, regulation, it was fine. It was, you know, it won one. It's a close game. Close. Meaningful. Hockey is always entertaining to some degree, but it wasn't. And certainly after the two games in Boston that weren't super close, it was. It was nice to see on some level, but not, not, not the greatest. Then you get to overtime. And this is where I. Again, like, if, if, if we're going to make Buffalo into Canada's team, we should have let you guys know. Don't let David Pasternak go in alone on your goal in overtime of an elimination game. I could have told you that. I'm sorry. My bad. I kind of assume Lindy Ruff maybe would have had that up on the board, but, yeah, those are the two moments that we're going to remember from overtime. Is Jeremy Swayman absolutely pulling off a robbery to lead to David Pasternock having that chance? And, I mean, I, I know it's a, It's a cliche to say that sometimes you see a guy going in alone with the puck on a stick and you go, oh, this isn't. This one's over. And then if it's not, you, you forget about it and you move on. You kind of had that feeling. This Guy's not going to be. And he goes in, he scores, he bounces off the boards, talks a little trash to some fans about, you know, we'll be back here. I, it's some life from, from the Bruins. And I mean, look that they've. The Bruins have looked good in this series in Buffalo. It's been a weird series that way. The Sabres two best games have come in Boston, and obviously that's where we're headed for game six. So, you know, in that sense, it's, it's maybe good news if you're a Sabres fan, but you could at least see this one going south because, I mean, boy, that, that crowd was ready to pop. They were waiting for the, the mayday moment for a new generation. And, and then David Pasternock put an end to it.
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Sean McIndoo
Tage Thompson hasn't scored since game one. Interesting. Interesting fact for I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm trying, I'm trying not to, you know, be a Sabers alarmist here, but. Because those games, like that happen, man, there, it's like this, it's the playoff equivalent of like a, of like a schedule loss where you're just like, you can't, can't win them all. What are you gonna do? But I don't know, man. That, that one feels like it's going seven. That's big stuff from Swayman, too. After he free, after he freaks out on those dudes in the last game, like, he put his money where his mouth was on that.
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Sean McIndewitz
Well, that's. That is it, right? I mean, he, he had his, his moment, you know, yelling down the bench. I don't hate seeing that from a goalie. I don't mind seeing a little bit. I'd certainly rather see that than him with his head down, just the sulking down the tunnel kind of deal. But then you got to back it up. Yep, he did. He did as. As well as you could. And I'm with you. I kind of now feel like this is going seven and check back with me after game six, but I don't feel like it's panic time for the Sabers if this goes seven. I still feel like you're in good shape coming home, but certainly if you're the Bruins, you're, you're going, guys, we can play with these guys. You could argue, I mean, last night was a real close game, but they got the win. You could argue the Bruins have been the better team three out of the five games.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah.
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Sean McIndewitz
And you say we're going to home ice we haven't played our best game at home. We're going to go get the fans into it and we're going to come back here for game seven and we can win here. We know that.
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Sean McIndoo
Totally.
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Sean McIndewitz
You feel okay if you're the Bruins.
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Sean McIndoo
It's fair. The final game. Not the final game, but the, the game last night that we haven't talked about. Minnesota, Dallas. It's The Wild winning four two in that one more five on five dominance from them in that they've outscored Dallas 14 to four to even strength in the series and 11 three at five on five. They got no five on five goals the Stars in the past 207 minutes and 53 seconds. That is a bad, bad sign. And it seemed like I watched the condensed game on that one this morning. I know there was an empty netter at the end, so I don't want to make it sound like it was a total laugher, but geez, I. A 4, 2 playoff win, that, that need. That needs an empty netter to salt one away at the end of it. I think that was a. It didn't seem like it felt that close in the, in the run of play.
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Sean McIndewitz
It was a close game. You know, Minnesota didn't take the lead until basically the end of the second period.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah.
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Sean McIndewitz
Then they, they get what the insurance goal. And then Jason Robertson again gets on the board to make it close. Not a. I guess I'd say it felt like Minnesota was in control of that game for very long stretches. And yeah, the five on five thing has emerged as the story. Yeah. The. Of this series. And I hate credit to the Wild. They called their shot on it. Right. You know, Marcus Foligno saying they can't, they can't hang with us five on five. And look, I mean, it's bad enough, you know, we always say. Right. Most of the. The reason that whenever we're looking at stats and all this stuff, we always focus on five and five because that's what most of the game is played at. And that's true in the regular season in November. It's true in the playoffs in Game 1. It's definitely true in the playoffs in Game 6 and 7 because that's when the whistles go away. And look, we know I'm not bashing referees here, but because they've got a tough job. But we know the deal by now. We know referees manage these games from the start. And especially if you're sitting there going, you know, am I going to make a borderline call? Hey, if one of these teams can only score on the power play. That makes me even more reluctant to give them any sort of a coin flip call. It's tough. You know, the Dallas Stars might only get one or two power plays in game six, and they might only get one in game seven. If there is one, they're in trouble. You know, this series so far, it's not over, obviously, but this has gone about as well as the Wild could have hoped for. This is if you drew up the realistic scenarios. Obviously, every team wants to sweep and, you know, have an easy time of it, but you look at how good Dallas is and you're Minnesota and you're the road team in a series against them, this has played out about as well as it possibly could have.
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Sean McIndoo
Yeah. And then I. Dallas, too. It's a. I don't want to dump on Tyler Myers necessarily, because there's plenty of guys in that lineup. Jason Robertson's been great. Miko Renton, you know, doing everything on the power play. Not much even strength. So, like, the Stars aren't producing the bottom six obviously isn't. Like there's a whole lot of stuff that's gone wrong, wrong for Dallas here. Tyler Myers had a play on the second pair last night. That's not a great sign. He's there because Niels Lundqvist has a pretty gnarly, gnarly cut on his face. The end result is that you end up pushing up Tyler Myers to a second pair like this is this. This is predictable in a sense, because we've seen it bite Dallas so many times in the past where they can't figure out the right side of their defense in a. In a permanent way. Like, Chris Tanev obviously was a big deal there. He doesn't play there anymore. And other than him, it's been a revolving door of guys who just haven't been the answer in one way or another. And it's felt like Tyler Myers was going to be the latest. The latest in that line, and it kind of. It kind of showed last night. Just a brutal turnover to lead to Minnesota's first goal. Takes a bad penalty. Just generally looked like a guy who was overmatched in, In. In that role. And that's. And that's a bad sign, man, because we've seen this year over year. You know, you like, everyone loves picking the stars, but also they kind of keep losing for the same reasons. And not being able to figure out that particular spot on the ice is. Is. It is a. Is a big one, man. He was their big deadline ad and it ain't working out.
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Sean McIndewitz
And it felt like the Wild were going after him, trying to exploit that, that spot and it's tough. And yeah, that, that is a concern for Dallas. And then the other one, which is either a concern or maybe not, depending on how you want to spin it, is, is Miko Rantnen has not been a big factor in this series. He's got one goal, he's got six points. So I mean that's, that's, you know, we don't want to over overstate it, but he only, only the one goal. And the reason I say maybe, you know, how you view that is is up to you. I feel like we had this conversation about three or four games into the first round last year about Miko Randon and how it hadn't paid off and you know, all this stuff. And then I'm trying to remember what he then went. He went absolutely supernova in the second half of that series against Colorado to an extent that we had never seen. I mean, I remember, you know, saying like, literally this is one of the great playoff performances ever in the, in the ultra short term. Now, I don't think you're expecting that again. I don't think you're sitting there going go out there and have a four goal period or whatever it is. But it does feel like the, the Miko rant in factor is kind of the ticking time bomb over this series because right now Jason Robertson is carrying the offense on this team. He's making himself a lot of money in the process, but they can figure that out down the road. You want Miko rant in to step up and we haven't had a Miko rant in game yet. I'm not sure we've had too many Miko ran in periods or shifts. We need a few of those if we're going to have this series that we all had locked in for seven games, if it's going to go seven, because now you got Minnesota going back, little momentum, home ice, all of this. You feel cautiously pretty good. I think if you're a Wild fan.
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Sean McIndoo
Are we at the end of the series, are we, are we still Talking about Michael McCarron having more goals than, than, than Miko Ren and I, I tend to, I tend to think not Glenn Gallatin should just go out and tell him to score four goals in a period but before games?
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Sean McIndewitz
I don't think we're talking about it. But McCarran's been good and I saw, you know, I saw Russo spiking the Football on all the critics who didn't, didn't love that deadline pickup. It's been a good piece.
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Sean McIndoo
It's. It's April. I'm not, not, not quite. Not, not ready just yet. We'll see. All right, but I know you, I know you got to go, so you, you split. We'll bring in, we'll bring in Frankie to take her home. Do you. Did you have anything you wanted to say about, about John Garrett? I know he's a, I know he's a. Just a great, great dude. A state a staple for Canadian hockey viewers over the last however many years. He obviously died unexpectedly the night before last and it's, it's, it's, it's sad
- [31:40]
Sean McIndewitz
to see really shocking news to, to wake up to yesterday. I didn't, I didn't know him personally, but I knew a lot of people who did and they just some of the stories and some of the. I just overwhelmingly positive stuff. Just a guy who had a fantastic impact and, and, and I knew him as a viewer, right, Sitting back watching, watching the Canucks or watching the, the, the late national games and you know, just that. That great personality that you sometimes don't get from the ex players but could always count on the goalies to, to bring it to a little bit and yeah, just from all accounts a great guy. And I, I know it's a lot of, A lot of fans, viewers are hurting, especially out in Vancouver. Whereas Uber, which was his home base and you know, just all the best to, to them and, and to his friends and family and, and, and a thank you to him for making hockey viewership up here in Canada so much better and so much more fun over the, over the decades.
- [33:01]
Sean McIndoo
It's well said. We're gonna hit a break and come back with Frankie.
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Sean McIndoo
All right, we're back. It's A big trade up. TGB's gone. Frankie's in. He's wearing a suit. I'm. I'm wearing a dirty white T shirt. You're making. You're making me look bad. You're making me feel bad. What's up?
- [36:42]
Sean Gentili
What's up, buddy? Hey, I know the last time that shirt was washed was. Who knows when, man? 11 days ago. I have been on the road. I get it, man. It just. Good for you for carrying that microphone around and schlepping everything. I know. It's a grind.
- [37:03]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah. We talked about this before we started recording, but I will say it again. This microphone, I'm pretty sure it looks like a gun on TSA scanners because I'm getting auxiliary searched every single time. Even with pre check, man.
- [37:19]
Sean McIndewitz
It's a disaster.
- [37:20]
Sean Gentili
It's tough out there. And I travel with the microphone, laptop, printer. So I am constantly having, like, printers.
- [37:28]
Sean McIndoo
Insane work.
- [37:30]
Sean Gentili
It's crazy stuff. It's crazy stuff. What's going on, buddy? It's been a while.
- [37:34]
Sean McIndoo
I know, man.
- [37:35]
Sean McIndewitz
I.
- [37:35]
Sean McIndoo
It's been. It's been. It's been too long. It's been some combination of me and Boltman and Mac and do, and I'm just. I'm not. I'm not psyched about it. It's not fun. Let's. Let's talk about Pittsburgh Philly, shall we? This is. This is a game we're getting tonight. I haven't watched, let's say 15 minutes of it. Like, all these games, I was. I was complaining about the smack and do. Every other game is. They're taking place, like, while I'm, like. While I'm at the rink for. For Oilers, Ducks or in an airplane. So I've. I've watched. I've watched minimal. Minimal moments here. What have you. What's your takeaway, Ben? On, like, what's your vibe check on. On. On Pittsburgh Philly heading into game six tonight?
- [38:20]
Sean Gentili
Okay, you want my vibe check?
- [38:21]
Sean McIndoo
Yes.
- [38:22]
Sean Gentili
This is it. This is maybe a bad example, but you'll see where I'm going with this thing. Remember when Tiger was at his best, and if he wasn't in the lead on Sunday, you could hear and you could feel the footsteps coming of Tiger, and it was like, here he comes. He's charging up the leaderboard. And right now the Philadelphia Flyers would be getting that feeling, but the footsteps are number 87. And it's like, here comes Crosby. And it's got that same aura because it's a legend and one of the greatest to ever do it. And that's what you would be feeling the pressure of. Oh, it's. It's Crosby time. And really, what. What kind of has happened in this series is Philly had played their game plan to a tee, but let's call a spade a spade, man. They were getting a lot of help from Pittsburgh, making unforced errors, casual plays, defensive zone, missed coverages. It was. It was sloppy, and it was quite honestly, like there was some soft stuff going on.
- [39:25]
Sean McIndewitz
Yeah.
- [39:25]
Sean Gentili
And now Pittsburgh is not doing that as much anymore. They're. They're hardly doing it. And as much as Phillies, this really good defensive team, they don't generate a ton. And if you don't make the mistakes and you don't open the door for them, that becomes more difficult. And now we're seeing the games flow in the way that Pittsburgh wants them to flow, where there's pace and there's, you know, some puck execution and there's some up and down the ice. That doesn't favor Philadelphia, that favors Pittsburgh, and it favors 87 a lot. Tiger woods charging up the leaderboard on a Sunday.
- [40:02]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah, it seems like the pace has been there. It does seem like it's a game that's closer to the one that Pittsburgh wants to play. The. The production isn't quite there for them, which I feel like that's almost. That is almost a good sign, though, because, like. Like, this is a team that scored the third most goals in the NHL in the regular season. They're obviously not producing at that level so far in this one. But, like, I. It feels like. It feels like it's not difficult to see a world where Pittsburgh, you know, wins this 5 to 2 tonight or something like it. It seems like that's. That's a. I'm not. That's not a prediction, but I think it's much more in play now than it was a few days ago.
- [40:40]
Sean Gentili
I totally agree, and I've said this on a couple other shows now, and I would love to get your take on it, but there is some kind of, like, alternate universe where Stuart Skinner gets pulled from the Edmonton Oilers net and incomes Artur. She loves.
- [40:57]
Sean McIndoo
Meanwhile, dude, I was. I was. I. I put that in the notes for today because last night there were really, over the course of the last few days, because she Loves has stopped 46 of the last of the 50 shots he's facing here at play. Skinner. There have been people around in Edmonton, media, people, other people who are like, she loves, man.
- [41:19]
Sean Gentili
Like.
- [41:20]
Sean McIndoo
Like, could have. Could have. Could have had him. Like, that's like that is absolutely part of the narrative here.
- [41:26]
Sean Gentili
And what would you have had to give up? Like, you wouldn't have to chase a Tristan Jari contract and be tied to that. Now you like we're getting off topic bringing in the Oilers. But I just can't help but think that, like, think about how this series has changed. Not just because she loves is in the net. And I don't, you know, fault Stuart Skinner entirely for them being down three nothing.
- [41:47]
Sean McIndoo
He was really. He was really good in game one. If nothing else, you know, 100%.
- [41:52]
Sean Gentili
And Skinner has played well in the past. I think back to last year against Dallas and Vegas. But I mean I just. You just can't help but think about it now. She loves has played great and that kind of put the team in my view anyways on notice that like you guys aren't helping out your goaltender. So help out this guy. And now we're. We're seeing the results for. For the Pens is like Philly. Philly has a hard enough time scoring as it is. You add in the pressure and the urgency of having to do it now. I think that that gets you thinking a little bit if you're Philly. This series feels like it's. It could be primed to go the distance.
- [42:31]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah. Utah Vegas tied it to they go tonight as well. I saw a decent chunk of of of that one a couple days ago. This feels like maybe our best bet for like a chaos goalie series like Carter Hart, you know, fell apart in that one. Even though Vegas ended up getting the win. The Melka was also terrible. He'd been. He'd been fairly strong before that. That's kind of the thing I'm watching in this one is like the possibility that this game turns into two guys who, you know, who can't. Who can't stop a puck. I'm interested to see if that's the way it goes down.
- [43:06]
Sean Gentili
It's so strange for me because they're like. There's been goaltending issues in Vegas all season long. Clear. Clearly the Melka's numbers have typically been good this year. And Utah has improved a lot defensively this year. Like that's. That was the thing about Utah last season. That maybe held them back a little bit. Is as fun and exciting as they were offensively. They gave up those ones. It almost kind of reminded me a little bit like Anaheim where they would. They would trade them and now like they're. They're a better team in that. In that aspect. But we're kind of seeing like Vegas. Maybe uncharacteristically when we think of Vegas, like every team just has a certain reputation. Their reputation for a long time was really buttoned up and like Utah is kind of pushing that. Like they're, they're kind of forcing them to. Or forcing us to realize that, listen, Vegas might not be all that buttoned up and you know, Mitch Marner might not be the answer to all your problems at this point. Like there's, there's a few things at play there, but we, you know, not that we. I think we talked about Utah and a lot of people would have said that they're a team that should be in the playoffs and they're going to get in the playoffs, but this might be a little bit of a coming out party for Utah that may be putting everyone on notice that they're better than what we may have expected from them. Now, going back to last game, I thought that game was over. Like when, when, when, when the lead changes like that, it's hard to get that back. So it's 4:3.
- [44:44]
Sean McIndoo
It felt like it was 7:3. You know what I mean?
- [44:46]
Sean McIndewitz
The fact that we dug out of it is just. Was just.
- [44:48]
Sean McIndoo
I couldn't believe what I was watching 100%.
- [44:51]
Sean Gentili
And ultimately Vegas wins that battle of attrition. But it feels like that battle is different than the. Some of. Some of the like physical war like battles that we're seeing. Maybe for instance in a series like the Montreal Tampa series.
- [45:06]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah, man, that's a, That's. That's one I've been, I've been lucky enough to catch a decent chunk of what's. Let's. What's the crowd of vibe Check on that. Heading into, heading into game that obviously they're tied it to as well. I. That's like, that's the, that's the marquee series this round for me still. Even though so many of these have tightened up over the last few days, as.
- [45:24]
Sean Gentili
As far as I'm concerned, this is the best series going. It's the most captivating. It has a little bit of everything that you would want. Like big performances, Hagel, you know, like back and forth play, really close, special teams, goalies, bad calls, like maybe turning points. So I kind of look at this series and you talk about momentum and in Game 2, Montreal plays a good 40 minutes and then Slavkovsky has a brutal turnover, leads to a Kucherov goal. And then Kirby Dock has a bad icing and he misses his coverage off the face off leads to the moser game winner. And then you're like, wow, Tampa, all the momentum. Is that the defining moment of the series? But they go back to the Bell Center. Montreal plays well. Game three, they win another close game. They've all been close. Then game four, Montreal is playing well for 40 minutes. There's the hit on Slavkovski. There's the goal in the last minute of that second period, and Tampa dominates in the third. And they end up winning that game. And you're like, okay, Montreal just showed that they didn't let game two's third period meltdown be a defining moment. Can they now show that Game 4's third period is not going to be a defining moment? The only difference is now you're going to Tampa. You don't get the comfort of going back on home ice. And the big thing, the big line for Montreal, goose egg at five on five.
- [46:52]
Sean McIndewitz
Yeah.
- [46:53]
Sean Gentili
Zero points at five on five. You cannot win a series that way. It's just not possible. So five. Five of the six. Five on five goals have essentially come from, like, the bottom six in Montreal. You know how many, like, outside of the top six Tampa has scored? It's like one.
- [47:12]
Sean McIndoo
That sounds Hagel.
- [47:14]
Sean Gentili
It's all Hagel. It's Kucherov, it's Genso, and there's the one Moser goal. Bottom line is this, man, you can't. You're not good enough to beat Tampa Bay with your bottom six. You're just not. Your top guys have to find a way. So that. That has to start tonight for Montreal. Non negotiable. The top line has to find a way.
- [47:32]
Sean McIndoo
Brandon Hagel having a con. Short list series here. Like, if it's a month from now and we're talking about, you know, like, Tampa getting this done, man, like, people are gonna. People are gonna fall back on this one. People are gonna remember it because he's. He's the best player on the ice. More often than not. It's wild.
- [47:48]
Sean Gentili
Think. Think about Hagel and how he's wired and how the rest of that team is wired, right? Like, Tampa gets a lot of credit around the league for being like Florida before Florida. In your face, gritty scrums, all that kind of stuff. But when I look at the top guys for Tampa, I see Kucherov. It doesn't show a ton of emotion, but it'll have some greasy plays. Genzel, Sorelli Point, like, they're not boisterous.
- [48:16]
Sean McIndoo
Pretty even keel dudes.
- [48:17]
Sean Gentili
Pretty even keel guys. Hagel's the opposite. He is in your face. He's constantly moving. He's calculated. He picks on Slavkovsky, essentially guilts him into fighting him, right? Like, that's, that's one of these things now where, like, if you're Slavkovsky, you're like, I'll give you the fight because I want to show my teammates that I'm. I'm really ready to step up and do more. But if you're Hagel, you're like, I got a really good player.
- [48:42]
Sean McIndoo
Got him on the hook. Got him on the hook. Let's go.
- [48:44]
Sean Gentili
And that's two. That's two things now where they've got Slafkovsky, they got him on the fight and they got him on that hit. I wonder if that's something that continues. But, man, Hagel's been. He's been dynamite. He has been everything you could hope he would be and more, and they haven't really had the answer for that. And I wonder, like, if you, you're Montreal and you really focus in on Hagel. Is Kucherov primed for a four point night?
- [49:08]
Sean McIndoo
Oh, my God. That's. That's it, man. Like that, like. And that's such. That's such. That is the way Kucherov operates, man. We've seen it so many times over the years where it's like, you know, maybe it goes a game or two and then it's. Then the outburst happens, right? Like, that's. That has to be the fear is that. Is that he's got four sounds. Four sounds like the right number. It feels like he's got one of those in his bag, man.
- [49:33]
Sean Gentili
That's the thing you budget, Kate. Every playoff series, you budget for certain things to happen, right? You're like, okay, there's going to be. Pasta is going to have an overtime winner at some point. Like, you just know there's going to be these, these defining things that happen. The Kucherov four point night where he's an absolute star and you can't do anything about it. It's in the budget for the series, and it just depends. Is it going to happen tonight? Is it going to happen, I don't know, like, in game six or seven? If it, if it gets to seven. It's. It's interesting, but I wonder if Tampa Bay looks at it the other way and says, how much longer can we keep Caulfield not scoring a 5 on 5? Because as Caulfield scored 51 this year, it was what, 11 on the power play? 10 or it wasn't. It wasn't like he was a power Play merchant, man, he was, was a 5 on 5 goal scorer and 0 empty net single.
- [50:25]
Sean McIndoo
The single biggest thing about him, you know, this, this year is that is, is it just jacked up the five on five production. Like I, I think people had an idea of the kind of player he was going to be a couple years ago. Like if you would, if you'd have forced people to say like predict how things turn out for Cole Coffee, I was like, well, he's definitely going to be a power play weapon, probably going to give away a lot in his own end and blah, blah. And that's in, in a lot of ways, man, he's, he's out kicked that in a big, big way.
- [50:53]
Sean Gentili
So he, he's not that. And you know, credit to Montreal because they've kind of kept up and sometimes initiated a lot of the physicality in this series. So it's not like they're, it's not that like they're lagging behind in that regard, but it's the timing of some of the ways Tampa has done it that has led to them gaining different moments of momentum. I think this is, I totally agree with you. This has been the best series by far. It's the most captivating and it's got just a little bit of everything. And I hope it goes the distance because it kind of both teams are like, both teams are deserving of having like that one game to really show what it's all all about.
- [51:33]
Sean McIndoo
Will the United in flight WI fi hold up well enough for me to watch that on the way to John Wayne Airport. We're gonna figure out tonight, baby. We're gonna come back here for segment three. Me and Frank gonna tell you what we learned.
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Sean McIndewitz
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Sean Gentili
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- [53:32]
Sean McIndoo
All right, we're back. Frank Caro here's something I have learned.
- [53:35]
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What have we learned?
- [53:36]
Sean McIndoo
Sean When I was I was doing some amount of research at the rink last night, me and CJ were batting this around. We, we've figured out in one way or another it this sounded fake. Connor McDavid has been a point per game player in, in every playoff series he's played in his career except one. And it was, it was, it was the first one of his career against, against San Jose in, in, in, in, in 2016. That's incredible. A B. He is what I, I think he clinched it last night or certainly came close to it regardless of what happens in this series against the Ducks. But that's one of those things. That's one of those stats you hear and it sounds impressive, but you're also like, it needs context, right? You're like, that sounds, that sounds wild. But is this, is this something you see from, from other great players? It's not.
- [54:32]
Sean Gentili
It's no, it's not. It's actually very rare.
- [54:35]
Sean McIndoo
It is. It isn't at this point. At this point is he's played 101 playoff games. When Sidney Crosby had played 101 playoff games, he had gone five series under a point per game. Five versus one. And in his entire career, Stiz Gun 1212 separate series under a point per game. And that's not meant as a knock on Sidney Crosby. That is context for how remarkable it's been, you know, the, how remarkable the, the consistency in the production has been for McDavid. Listen, I he's, he takes, he took he deservedly so in 2024 against Florida.
- [55:16]
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- [55:17]
Sean McIndoo
Because he's, because he's wasn't, wasn't producing in game six or game seven. That skin that sticks for Some reason. But overall, in terms of body of work, 101 career playoff games like this is. This is wild, wild, wild stuff.
- [55:32]
Sean Gentili
It's. And who would have thought that if you just tease the fact that he might not play in the morning, that at night you will catch the other team sleeping, especially the other team's goalie, and you will get off to a three nothing lead and never look back in that game. Like, I can't help but wonder the gamesmanship that was out at play there, because I would think we talked.
- [55:56]
Sean McIndoo
We talked about it in the, in the first segment. I want to hear your take on this.
- [55:59]
Sean Gentili
Well, you would think that if you're Anaheim, you're like, you smell the blood in the water, man, and you're all over it. No, McDavid, let's finish this thing off tonight. Instead, it was like Edmonton came out and said, you want us to be buttoned up defensively now? You want our goalie to play great? No. Again, guess what we're going to do? We'll snap this puck around and you won't touch it for 10 minutes, and that's how we're going to beat you. Can they do it for, you know, for the rest of the series and find a way to win? I guess we'll see. They're going to have to button it up at some point because you're not going to keep Anaheim from scoring that long. But that was, that was crazy. And that's kind of the Euler way. I'll tell you what I learned, and this is just a generic thing, but maybe people, like, wouldn't know because I found this fascinating. In the 459 previous times a team has been up 3, 2 in a playoff series, they've gone on to win that series 365 times. That's 79.5% of the time if you're up three, two. So, like, we got some big games tonight for sure, but we also got like some history suggesting that if you are winning game five, you are going to win the series. And so that, that I, as, as a player, you'll try not to think about that because it's not process driven. But like, for us as media and for fans, like, it is so, so pivotal.
- [57:30]
Sean McIndoo
80%. A lot.
- [57:31]
Sean Gentili
That's a lot. That's not 65.
- [57:33]
Sean McIndoo
That's not 58.
- [57:35]
Sean Gentili
That is 80%. And that is history telling you that if you win game five, you are likely winning this series. So, yeah, I think that's, that's something that if, if you're Watching the games tonight, you will keep in mind and either good or bad, however, your team
- [57:51]
Sean McIndoo
does very, very quickly rank the games tonight in terms of your interest in them. Pittsburgh, Philly, Utah. Vegas. Montreal, Tampa Bay.
- [58:00]
Sean Gentili
Montreal. Tampa Bay. Pittsburgh, Philly, Utah, Vegas. Don't come at me with an east coast bias, but I'm sorry, it is, it is the best series with Montreal and Tampa Bay. Sidney Crosby, who we've been yelling and screaming about needing to see him in the playoffs and he's charging up the leaderboard and Vegas, Utah. So that's why that, that's. That's my, my three pack. For, for you.
- [58:23]
Sean McIndoo
We love it, buddy. What's your schedule like for the rest of the week? You're doing, you're doing U18 stuff. You're all over the place. That's what the suits for. It's not for me. I know that.
- [58:32]
Sean Gentili
No, it's not for you. I wouldn't dress up for you, you know that I was doing. I wouldn't dress up for many people, to be honest with you. Yeah, I just did. U18 panel. Canada lost in the quarterfinals to Sweden, so they're out. And then we have our habs post game game reaction stuff tonight. And then I'll stick around, do some sports center and then back at it basically every single day on Canada's Sports Leader.
- [58:58]
Sean McIndoo
I love it, man. Try to squeeze you in next week too. Let's see if we can make. Let's see if we can make this work. But I'm probably, probably back in Edmonton. I don't, I don't.
- [59:07]
Sean Gentili
Oh, my God. You'll be parts unknown gentilly. All I do know is that if you are back in Edmonton, you need to go to the West Edmonton Mall on. Hop on that roller coaster, baby. Because we need more pictures of you at amusement parks solo.
- [59:22]
Sean McIndoo
Like lone man goes. Goes to amusement park on work time. Yeah, we need, we need some more of that, baby. Disneyland is not my future. On this, on this, on this.
- [59:31]
Sean Gentili
Anaheim, you need the West Fortune Mall.
- [59:34]
Sean McIndoo
Let's go. Go to Marineland or whatever is. Whatever's over there. I've been there once. Depressing place. All right, buddy. Enjoy the games. Talk to you next week. Thank you folks for listening. Shana and Max have the show tomorrow. Me and Haley are both in transit, so you get an upgrade in the form of those two. So congratulations again. Enjoy the games tonight and we'll talk to you again real soon.
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Skyrizi Patient
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Skyrizi Safety Information Speaker
Don't use if allergic to Skyrizi. Serious allergic reactions increased infections or lower ability to fight that may occur before treatment. Get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor about any flu like symptoms or vaccines.
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Skyrizi Patient
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