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Sean Gentili
This.
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Sean Gentili
What up? What up? It's the Athletic Hockey Show, Wednesday edition. I'm Sean Gentili. Frankie Corrado is here. Sean McIndeer here. Fellas. What's new? What's going on? I. Frankie, you're in Ottawa somewhere. I. I like just starting out the show, just recapping or. Or setting up like what NHL city Frank's in. What, what hotels? What hotel he's in. He's somewhere in Ottawa, right?
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Frankie Corrado
I was with. I was with Ottawa Royalty last night.
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Sean Gentili
Sir Sean McIndale.
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Frankie Corrado
No, not, not DGB. I'm going to call him Sir Paul. I was calling him Coach. I was calling him Mac. I didn't call him a bug eyed walrus. I did not call him that. I'll leave that for Brandon. Pressed, but it was. We did the panel last Night with Claire Hannah and Paul McLean. It was really cool, like all the fans coming up to Mac and saying hi and nice to see him back in town. So it was nice to hang out with him for the night.
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Sean McIndeer
How confident are you that it was actually Paul McLean and not the doppelganger from behind the bench?
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Frankie Corrado
It's a great question, man. The doppelganger. Do you guys remember that the doppelganger looked more like Paul than Paul?
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Sean McIndeer
Yes.
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Frankie Corrado
If that makes sense.
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Sean Gentili
It was unsettling. It was like kind of like an uncanny valley thing where, you know, like, like you see with like CG stuff or.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah.
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Sean Gentili
It wasn't like video games. It left me. It left me uncomfortable.
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Sean McIndeer
Sometimes you talk about somebody looks like somebody else a little bit and it's like, oh, he looks like the stuntman for that guy. This wasn't the stuntman. This was like, like Paul McLean filmed a movie and then he wasn't available for one scene, so they just CGI'd some guy in and you're like, that's. That's too much, Paul. That's.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah. Crazy about it is the stash. Like the stash is the crazy thing because you don't just like us three, we don't just wake up one day and say, I'm going to grow the McLean stash today. It's just not possible.
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Sean McIndeer
That would be years long project for me.
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Frankie Corrado
I saw that thing up close and personal and that's like, that's original parts, original parts. So that's crazy that, that, that, that gentleman not only had the facial structure, the hair, everything, but to have the same stash is. It's wild that that was AI before AI existed.
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Sean Gentili
This is like the second time in probably 10 days that I've talked about Paul McLean's doppelganger, if you want to know. This is like a glimpse into my pathetic life. Is like. I've talked more about Paul McLean's doppelganger than I have about like my nieces and nephews in, in, in the last, in the, in the last 10 days. It's not, it's not a good state of affairs because we're talking about, you know, the. Who was it? The, the, the little, the little kippersoft doppelganger. It was like. It was like an NHL, you know, faker conversation that took place. So, yeah, that's the way it goes.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah.
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Sean Gentili
Busy Wednesday here. We want to start with a big one that just dropped from Chris Johnston and Mike Russo. This has turned into a pretty fun project to be A part of it is the NHL front office rankings as told or as voted upon by the front offices themselves. Those guys, and it was, and it was mainly those guys. I, I held up, I held the pen for some of it and did, did a very minimal amount of work to horn it on the byline and get, and get some of the credit. Those guys polled, I believe it was 37 different front office execs from 27 total teams. So you have almost, almost total buy in there and got their top fives. This is the second consecutive year that, that they've done this. So we have some banger quotes from across the league, some, some pretty honest assessments of where, of where teams are, you know, in the hierarchy of, of, of front offices. And I think it's always, you know, I know this is the second year they've done it, but it's, it's turned into something to look forward to because it is unvarnished opinion from, from a lot of the most important people in the league. So I wanted to start with that. I, and we have the Panthers at the top. We should, we should, we should say that straight away. Is there, is there, is there any surprise from either you guys that the defending champs, you know, who've built this, who built this war horse over the last, over the last five years or seven years are at the top? Are we okay with that as a collective? Are we okay with the Panthers having the, having the top ranked front office.
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Sean McIndeer
Really going out on a limb?
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Sean Gentili
Yeah, I know.
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Sean McIndeer
I feel like, yeah, you could, you could probably defend that one.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah, it's, it's, it's the Panthers and I'm not going to say it's, it's the field. Like there's not, it feels like there should be a pretty big gap with the recency bias and the way things have gone the last few years. Like every move that they've made, even going back to, you know, having a guy like Alex Lyon on your team, like that guy saves the season three years ago and you go to the Stanley Cup Final, I mean, everything they've done has worked. I find this list fascinating because, yes, the Panthers should be number one. And then it's all teams that have won, right? Like it's, it's Florida. I mean, Dallas hasn't won, but they're consistently going to like the Western Conference final. So I totally understand that. Tampa's one, Vegas is one. Above Vegas is Winnipeg. You know, everyone understands the challenges that the Winnipeg jets face, but they, they, they consistently, like, do well in trades. You Know, they're. They're kind of their call it thrift moves seem to work pretty well. Like someone like Nitarider a few years ago or Nemesis Cough. Like, these things all kind of hit for them. And they've drafted well, they've developed well. And then, you know, there's Colorado, but I found this interesting bunch of teams that have won. A couple teams that are usually in the mix, and then one team that just made the playoffs for the first time in a long. In a few years, last year in Montreal. It's like, that's one of these things is not like the other. But there seems to be some confidence in that front office based on what they've done. They haven't won anything yet, but they're in the company of teams that have won and have been consistently, you know, pushing deep into the playoffs. I think that speaks volumes of what's going on with. With. With Kent Hughes and Jeff Gordon.
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Sean Gentili
Yeah, I want to talk about. Yeah, that's. That's true. And that's. That's a lot of dip on the chip for the Canadians, too. Right? This is a team and everyone's impressed by the way they've exited the rebuild. We've talked about this. The three of us have talked about this at length. The contract structures, the way that they've, you know, found a way to lock up their key players and also leave themselves with some legit money to work with. I think everybody respects that. But, Yeah, I think CNM at 7 was. Was. Was a little bit of a surprise. I wanted to go back to the Dallas Stars, though, because they were. They were number one last year. This is. This is voting that was done after the Panthers won the Cup. So everybody looked at what we saw, all these execs looked at what in the playoffs last year and said, you know what? Yes, congratulations to the Panthers, whatever. We're gonna vote them in at number three, which I. Which I believe is. Is where they were at. Dallas was in the top spot. And I think a lot of it was because of the drafting and developing that Jim Nell does, but also a lot of it was clearly that, like, people like Jim Neal, he's a. He's. He's a good. He's a good man who people like dealing with. And that came through in the way people spoke about him. It's like he's a. He treats people well and whatever. And that seems like that was some kind of tiebreaker there for a team that famously is always in the mix but hasn't actually. Hasn't actually done the job yet. So they, they dropped down a little bit this year and I think that's, I think that's at least a little bit interesting that Dallas. You know, I don't know if that, I don't know if that means the clock's ticking or, or if the Panthers were just undeniable. But yeah, to, to see them dip from 1 to 2, I think it was deserved because you got to the proofs in the pudding on the, on, on this one and God bless what they've done and it's been impressive. But at some point if you're gonna be at the top of the list like this Mac and do like, you gotta, you got, you gotta bring home the hardware and we, we haven't seen that from them.
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Sean McIndeer
Well, I mean, Jim Neil has a lot of hardware because we have this GM of the Year award which is voted on by the GMs, and he has won it three years in a row, which is fascinating to me because nobody ever wins Coach of the Year in back to back years, let alone three times in a row. The Coach of the Year, for whatever reason has become an award. You get to win once and then it passes to the next guy. Nobody's won it back to back since Jacques demer in the 80s, so it's, it essentially doesn't happen anymore. Whereas Jim Nil, year after year after year gets to be the GM of the Year. Okay, so when is that award voted on? Well, after two rounds of the playoffs. In other words, they get to the final four and then all the GMs go, who did the best job. Guess what? It's always three gms who are in the final four. And it kind of works out where that ends up being the perfect window for Jim Nil to win awards because his team always looks great going into the conference final. And then that's where it, it kind of falls apart. So I'm interested that even this year, you know, it's not, it's not the same people voting. Although, you know, there could be some overlap. But yeah, Jim Neal was the guy after two rounds of the playoffs, but two rounds later it was right back to Florida. And rightly so.
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Sean Gentili
I think it's, I think it's just interesting to too, just to see like treat this as, as a kind of a glimpse into what GM's value. Like, like what, like what's important to them generally speaking, you know. And I, I think Dallas is an interesting, an interesting litmus test for that because what came up a lot, I'm Looking at all the quotes here, some of which we use and some of which we didn't, their drafting came up a ton and that's, that's of course it did you draft Rupa Hins 49th overall and Jake Ottinger 17th and or 26th and Jason Robertson 39th, on and on and on. The group, the, the core of that team is built, you know, outside of, outside of Miro Haiskin and basically it's, it's built with lower, lower value draft picks. Let's say you're, there's, there's not, there's not a bunch of number two, number four, number six picks there. And I think people, I think people respect that to, to some extent, you know, throwing the fact that he's a nice guy and like, of course they're going to be, they're going to be high on, high on this sort of stuff.
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Frankie Corrado
I, I do find it interesting that, you know, the three top teams on this list, it's Florida, Dallas and Tampa. What do they all have in common? There are no state tax teams and then four out of the top five because you include Vegas, who's at number five, also a no state tax team. I think some people would look at that and say, well, no Wonder they're great GMs and they run a great program. Look what, look at what they're, they're dealing with. But to Gentiles Point, State Tax doesn't matter about drafting rupee hints or Wyatt Johnston or, or you know, Logan Stankhoven who eventually you, you move on from and you bring in Miko Ranton. It's like those are just, you know, that's, that shows when a front office can flex their muscle and how smart they can be and if you can develop those players. And you know, I think we talked about it so much in the spring and we've talked about it the last few years because of Tampa success, because of Florida's success. The advantage that all these teams have with the no state tax. But at the end of the day you got to build the program in order to reap the benefits of, of what the, the tax situation is. And I think this is kind of showing you that Florida, Dallas, Tampa, Vegas, they're legit, they're legit front offices, they run legit programs and they wouldn't be able to utilize the state tax if they weren't. And you know, Winnipeg, Winnipeg is in there as well with all these teams that are palm trees and you know, Vegas and you know, all these very desirable places. And then Winnipeg's in there. And if we were having an honest conversation, every player who has a 10 team, no trade, likely has Winnipeg as one of those teams. You just have to fill out the 10 teams. It is what it is. And sure enough, like, they've, they've flexed their muscle as a front office as well. So it's not all about the taxes. Like, you have to have smart people running the show. And I think this really illustrates that they're smart people running all those programs.
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Sean McIndeer
And lots of no tax teams, but no Seattle, no Nashville.
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Frankie Corrado
It's.
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Sean McIndeer
It's no guarantee. I think. Let me throw this out because I found this really interesting because my first thought when I looked at this list is, you know, it's, it's an interesting list. I love that we do the exercise. I love that we get the comments and, and, you know, some of the thoughts from around the league. But I look at it and I go, well, this is just a list of the best teams in the league. You've got, you've got all the most recent Stanley cup winners. You've got Winnipeg, who are the reigning Presidents Trophy winners. You've got Carolinas in the top 10. That's a team that's, that's had a ton of success, obviously, Dallas has had a ton of success. And then there's Montreal, who we Talked about Seattle, St. Louis, a bit of a surprise, but, you know, everybody loves Doug Armstrong. He's been, he's been doing it forever. So you sit there and you go, great. All you told me was all the teams that do well every year are in the top 10. But then you realize, no, there's a team missing. There's a team that went to the Stanley cup final two years in a row that is not in this top 10. Now I think they're 11. So, I mean, I. But the Edmonton Oilers not there. Which is interesting to me because, I mean, Stan Bowman, say what you will about him, he's got a bunch of Stanley cup rings from Chicago. You would think there'd be maybe some carryover on that on, on some people. And yet with the Oilers, at least I, I don't want to, I don't want to read into this, but part of me thinks that a lot of people just look at this and go, you inherited Connor McDavid and Leon Draisadle. Yeah, you should be getting to the final. That's not good enough. What are you going to do to put him over the hump? And he got. McDavid resigned, which was the number one thing but not there as far as, as, as getting the respect or the kudos from other front offices around the league. I found it very interesting that the Oilers are not there.
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Sean Gentili
I think a better way to look at it for the Oilers too. Yes. They're number 11. I think overall when you tell, when you tally up the points and all that they only showed up on two ballots and there were 37 ballots. So, yeah, it's good that they were fourth and fifth in a couple spots and they got, and they got more, more obviously more votes than, than the teams at the bottom of the list. But when you frame it that way, you say there's only, there's only two of these execs that we pulled that actually think they're a top five team. I think that's, I think that's, I think that's pretty damning.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah. Well, you can find like, you can find teams that have done a better job, whether it's, you know, addressing goaltending. Colorado changed both goaltenders last year because they knew it was an issue. So it can be done. You know, there's teams that have had better managed caps. There's teams like Dallas that have integrated young players within the veteran players, so you don't feel like there's any turnover, you know, like, I think St. Louis falls into that category as well as far as getting young guys to take the next step while not moving on from too many veteran guys. The Edmonton, Edmonton doesn't, doesn't do that to the level that all those other teams do and they don't. They haven't pulled the magic trades that Florida has done either. So they're not like, they're, they're probably right where they, they should be. That's, I think that's a very fair evaluation on the Oilers.
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Sean Gentili
I think where this has become interesting too is now that we have a couple years worth of, worth of this list and we see people, we see teams moving around and we see maybe rationales change. I think that's interesting too. I think that makes it more interesting than just looking at the list straight away and just being like, yeah, of course Florida is number one and of course Tampa Bay is up there and yada yada, when you see some of this stated rationale and you look at how it changes from year over year, I think that, I think that becomes interesting too. And I think the off season that Florida had, you know, we're talking about state tax and all that, the off season they had bringing back Ekblad, bringing back Bennett, bringing back Martian There were execs who said, like, yeah, that's state tax stuff, but also like, we got to give them credit because they created, they created a situation where those guys, you know, you get, you get them close and then, and then, then maybe the tax stuff makes it a little bit easier at the end. But ultimately, you know, ultimately they make it all stand up with the, with, with the quality of the program.
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Frankie Corrado
100 and if they were, if they were practicing at the Y and they weren't getting the resources that all the other NHL teams get and it was a crappy place, it would be, I'll go down there and retire and, and, you know, lay on the beach and that's where my career will go to die. It's not where your career goes to die. It's where your career goes to, like, get made and, and win and that.
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Sean McIndeer
It used to be where your career.
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Frankie Corrado
Wants to die very much.
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Sean McIndeer
They flipped it around. I mean, it's. That. That's impressive. One last thing on this.
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Frankie Corrado
I.
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Sean McIndeer
Anytime you give me a list and you say, here's the top 10, here's the who, here's everyone who got vote. I, I look right at the bottom.
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Sean Gentili
And I scroll from the bottom up.
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Sean McIndeer
Y didn't get votes. Who are the teams that got completely shut out and, and you guys were kind enough to give us the list. And I, I won't read the whole list because it's, it's about half the league.
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Sean Gentili
There's 15 teams who, who didn't get any votes.
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Frankie Corrado
Single vote.
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Sean McIndeer
Any surprises on there though? Because, because I, I'll give you a couple. I'm a little surprised nobody gave any love to San Jose because I really do feel like they're at the easy part of the rebuild cycle, which is the tear it all down and be terrible and collect prospects. But I feel like they've done a great job of that. So a little bit surprised Chicago's not. Didn't get any votes either. The one that really stood out to me, though, is even a few years ago, if you had said Steve Yerman is not getting a single vote, that would seem shocking because he was a guy that certainly in Tampa and even the first few years in Detroit was viewed as this is a guy who is really, really good at this. And clearly, I don't know if patience has completely run out in Detroit. Among the fan base, maybe it had two weeks ago and it's building back up now, given the start they're off to. But among other front offices, at least not a single mention of Steve Yzerman and the Red Wings anywhere. I found that interesting.
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Frankie Corrado
Kind of was looked at like when in his Tampa days, like a guru, you know, like this really, really sharp, you know, younger executive at the time. But with that being said, Tampa's having a lot of success this year. It's early or sorry, Detroit is not Tampa. I used to be with Tampa. Detroit's having a lot of success and there's like there's Marco Casper playing a big role. There's Axel Sandin, Pelica, there's Simon Edmondson. There's like all, all these young guys that are a part of the ISER plan are starting to come to fruition. So I don't know like if he, if, if they have a good year and they push for the playoffs, who knows, maybe they make the playoffs and he has a, you know, a more thrifty off season. And I'm not talking Justin Halls and Andrew Cops and you know, the, the Eric Gustafson's like real guys that fit into the piece of the puzzle moving forward then I think that changes and Iserman gets back into, you know, top 10, top 12. But I think there's, it might be on the precipice of changing with the way things are going in Detroit with their young guys now.
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Sean Gentili
Yeah, I feel better about the Red Wings now than I did a year ago, which is funny because Eiserman showed up on ballots last year, crashes out of the, out of the top 10, out of the voting, out of the voting totals entirely. It's, it's kind of ironic. And I think part of that has to do. Frankie, like you said, with the Marco Casper's of the world with Lucas Raymond, you know, continuing to kind of level up, yada, yada. Like they're, they, they seem like they're in a better position for me now than, than they were a year ago because you are starting to see some of those, some of those young guys flash. And yeah, like we said, they've won, they've won five games in a room. So that's, so that's interesting. That's something we're going to track all season too. I think the Red Wings are kind of fascinating. We're going to hit a break after the break. We're going to talk about another Atlantic Division team who's trying to, trying to, trying to keep pushing the boulder up the hill. It might, might have to do with where Frankie is located now. It might not talk Senators maybe gonna talk a little Alex Ovechkin, stick around. That's what we're gonna do after the break.
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Frankie Corrado
Par le tu francais, hablas espanol, parl italiano.
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Sean Gentili
All right, we're back. And as we said, Frankie is in Ottawa. I don't think there are any lunch plans with you and McIndu, are there? Like, can you guys. Can you guys hang out or is that not yet?
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Sean McIndeer
I don't know. Do you want to. Do you want to head down to Barhaven and know we can take.
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Frankie Corrado
I love. Can you. Can you explain to us again where that is in relation to the.
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Sean Gentili
That's what I was. That's what I was trying to set up. You. You got. You got a sincere laugh. Out. Out. Out of the two of us with this.
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Sean McIndeer
Frankie was asking how to get to Bar Haven and I said, you. You drive. I said I'm way out in the way out. And the way to get there is you drive halfway to the rink and then turn left and, and head south and. Yeah.
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Frankie Corrado
Let me just ask you this. When someone like if you're way out there, how do you explain where the rink is to someone who's coming from downtown?
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Sean McIndeer
You know what? This, this is Ottawa. It's like you're, we're like we're way out of there. And then it's, it's like a, it's like a 10 minute drive way out in Ottawa is not the same as way out in Toronto. I remember many years ago there was a public transportation strike here and like the buses were canceled and people are like, I'm not going to be able to get to work. And then you had a whole city full of people being like, yeah, it turns out I'm only a 15 minute walk from the other side of the, of the downtown. It's never, we're not that big here.
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Sean Gentili
So I'm never riding the bus again, as it turns out. Yeah, I don't care about the strike.
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Sean McIndeer
Apparently it's, apparently I can actually see it from my house. If I just. Interesting.
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Sean Gentili
Frank, you were, you were there for a game. You saw, you saw the Sens lose to the, lose the Edmonton Oilers last night. Yeah, I don't, I didn't watch a stitch of that because I was, I was driving back from another, from another work thing. What's, what's going on there? How do they look without Brady Tkachuk? It seems like, it seems like it's maybe a bit of a problem.
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Frankie Corrado
It looks like a work in progress. Like losing Brady's huge. I don't even have to say that. But it feels like a work in progress because they were so gung ho or adamant on team needs to score more. Right. Five on five scoring last year, second last in the NHL. But I think what, what's happened here is on the pursuit for goals, they're, they're playing let's score a goal. They're not playing hard to play against hockey, which was at, you know, at the, the crux of it. That was the Sens identity that they formed last year and really made them a stable team and goaltending was good at times, but they're, they've kind of lost that a little bit and it's all returning players, you know, like it's, it's all the same guys. You've added Lars Eller and Jordan Spence who didn't even play last night. So they've got to like last night was a good game for them. I think at 5 on 5 because it was lower event. It was a Little more of like a cautious type approach. Wasn't the most optically, you know, pleasing game. Just there wasn't a lot of, you know, big explosive offensive moments for them. But that's okay. They need to play let's win a hockey game, not let's score a goal. And, and that's where the difference lies right now the big talk here is their penalty kill, which, you know, I've never heard the word diamond formation more than I have in the Ottawa market the last couple weeks. And the reality is I think there's only four teams, four or five teams in the NHL that aren't doing the diamond penalty kill. Like it's become this trendy thing that all the teams have kind of switched to. And the jets, the Winnipeg jets are an example of a team that don't do the diamond. They do the old kind of top down pressure and they have one of the best penalty kills or if not the best penalty kill. But if you looked at, you looked at their expected, it's like second worst. It's really stark like the difference and I think a lot of that has to do with who's a net in Hellebuck. So they're, they're working through some stuff like they're, they're trying to get back to their identity as a team. And the penalty kill, like they just got to figure out when they're applying pressure, when they're laying back. It's a little discombobulated right now. And you know, McDavid comes into town goalless last night and I think a lot of people would go on whatever betting app they were, they were on and see that there's a 60% penalty kill at play and sure enough McDavid gets a power play goal like ah, wouldn't you know it, like, you know, he, he kind of feasted a bit on the man advantage.
- [29:10]
Sean McIndeer
But yeah, if you're Edmonton and you're, you're struggling, you need the offense from unexpected sources. So it was great to see this.
- [29:19]
Sean Gentili
There we go.
- [29:20]
Sean McIndeer
There it is. But you, you know, you mentioned goaltending. That's the other thing in, in Ottawa, right, is the goaltending has been awful. When you, when you get guys getting lit up by the Buffalo Sabres, that's a bad sign. So I, I, I don't think there's such a thing as a good loss when you're struggling, but some losses are better than others. And I think getting, getting a point and holding the high powered Oilers to two goals and regulation, I think you can handle that. If you're the, if you're the Ottawa Senators, this is one of those we can build on this sort of losses.
- [29:56]
Frankie Corrado
Okay, Put it this way. If, if you're struggling to get back to your defensive identity and you see the Oilers coming into town and you're working through stuff and you're like, wait a second, that's the Oilers. And they're kind of leaky and they're really motivated to have a great game because they haven't played well. And you play the game that the sense played a five on five and wasn't, you know, wasn't like McDavid and Draisaitl who were playing together. Nuclear options. They didn't have a field day out there. Shane Pinto made it pretty tough for them. Like he, he did a good job in a lot of situations. So if you can do it against the Oilers, there should be confidence within the group that you can do it on a night to night basis against the Phillies of the world in Buffalo. And yeah, you need to get saves like Linus. All Mark played great. Levy Marilynen has gone down now. He's, he's been, you know, really bad, quite honestly, hasn't been able to give him a save. So I think that's, that's a, it's a good building block game in an Atlantic division where, you know, Ottawa stumbled, Toronto lacks identity right now. Detroit's playing well, you know, Florida finally got a win. Like there's some moving parts in the Atlantic. Like it's a, it's a very interesting division right now with the teams that have, have stubbed their toe and the teams that are playing well early.
- [31:15]
Sean McIndeer
Okay, I've got to jump in here because I, I have a rule. I'm never, I never want to be the first one to mention the Maple Leafs, but since Frankie did it, I.
- [31:24]
Sean Gentili
Thought we were gonna make it. I thought we're gonna make it through. Frank, you said that we were going 45 without talking about them at all.
- [31:31]
Sean McIndeer
Not, not possible. You said the Leafs lack an identity. I'd argue with you on that one. I think the Leafs have an identity. I don't think it's the one that they want. My question to Frankie is, in your time as an NHL defenseman, did you ever have your goalie get run so bad that he had to get up and fly, flip the net off while you stood there and watched? And follow up question, if so, what were those conversations like in the room or on the bus or wherever they happened?
- [32:01]
Frankie Corrado
Eventually, I, I'm not going to pretend like I was some big, tough guy or that, like, I was even, you know, that impactful at the NHL level. I was a guy. I was. I wore an NHL jersey and I played NHL games. But if the goalie ever got hit, it was just like a non negotiable. You have to do something like you. And you could even tell the guy, honestly, you could tell the guy that you're mauling. You're like, you know, I got to do something here, right? Like, there's just. There's just no other option. So that's. It's crazy to me that it got to the point in Toronto that Stolars, you know, had to air things out publicly. But I'll tell you guys this, okay? It's not a great. It wasn't a great decision by Stolars to air all that stuff out because it puts a target on your back, within your room, and right away, the first thing that's going to happen is it's going to get addressed by the team. And we say, guys, we're brothers in here. We can all talk to each other man to man. We don't air stuff out publicly. That's not what we do in this dressing room. Let's have the conversation in here. That's number one. And then number two, you're the goalie. A lot of shots coming your way. Don't put more pressure on yourself because it's a hard enough position as it is. And if you want to call out, you know, in not so many words, Nylander for a bad back check, or you want to call out the team because they go low to high and they get, you know, powder puff shots to the net with no one in front. Like, don't let in any bad goals now, because now you're on notice. And last night, Anthony Stolars let in a couple bad goals. And I can't help but wonder, like, did you need to apply more pressure on yourself by calling out, you know, your teammates and now putting a. Putting a bit of a target or a little more pressure on yourself? It wasn't. It wasn't a smart thing to do, and that's fair.
- [33:53]
Sean McIndeer
And, you know, I think we all saw his comments after the game where it really felt like he was going, okay, I'm. Now I'm going to be the good guy and I, you know, we played well, and all of this stuff when they clearly didn't. I will just say this as someone who, you know, spends a fair amount of time hearing from Leafs fans in leaf fan circles, you Know, I, I, I, I feel like I've got a pretty good sense of where the fan base is at. I don't know that I heard a single person criticize or complain about Anthony Stoller saying what he said. If there was a reaction, I, I think there were a lot of fans who kind of went, thank you. Somebody said it. Hallelujah. Let's see if we can light a fire. And I'll tell you right now, if it doesn't work, okay, it doesn't work. But if, if this team now goes in a spiral and people try to go, oh, you know, the turning point was when the goaltender could, that's not going to fly in Toronto. Nobody has any patience for this team that was already viewed as being very emotionally fragile. You talk about identities, that's, that's what this team's identity is. If they turn around and say, oh, our goalie said some mean things about us, so we all just shut it down, that's not going to fly. I think I, I, I think a large majority of Leafs nation is team stolers on this one. Whether he should have said it or.
- [35:19]
Frankie Corrado
Not, the, the, the fans would be clamoring for someone to say something like that, but within the room it's appeasing the fan base doesn't go over well at the expense of your teammates.
- [35:35]
Sean McIndeer
Right.
- [35:35]
Frankie Corrado
Like that. That's a tough dynamic in the dressing room. So listen, it happened, it's over. Everyone's going to move on. They're all big boys. But in my heart of hearts, I think if, if, if, if he could get a mulligan on that, he would take it and, and not say what he said about his teammates.
- [35:52]
Sean Gentili
They got like two more weeks to work through this or 10 more days or however, however long it is until the, until baseball season's over. It's fine. No one's, no one, no one's, no one's paying attention to Maple Leafs. Everyone's trying, everyone's trying to score World Series tickets.
- [36:07]
Sean McIndeer
Did you see that? Yeah. A Saturday night Leafs game being moved to five o'.
- [36:12]
Frankie Corrado
Clock.
- [36:12]
Sean McIndeer
That's when you know that this is, this is back to being.
- [36:16]
Sean Gentili
I think they moved one during the ALCs too.
- [36:18]
Sean McIndeer
They, they, they did. They, they moved one to the afternoon. That was a Monday though. I don't know.
- [36:22]
Frankie Corrado
I just giving Monday.
- [36:23]
Sean McIndeer
We're, we're just all so, so shocked up here in Canada that Blue Jays are doing what they're doing because we were told it was impossible in, in Toronto with, you know, because there's fans in media, you can't. You can't succeed, but apparently you can. It's very weird. We're all. We're all super confused.
- [36:38]
Frankie Corrado
It's. It's a lot of the same. A lot of the same reporters and media, they're. They're just down the street right now.
- [36:44]
Sean McIndeer
I don't know.
- [36:45]
Sean Gentili
That's what. Really. Condolences to the Seattle Mariners, who still haven't made a World Series, as we've heard many, many times, 48 years of existence. It's squeaking out just ahead of the Pittsburgh Pirates, who have existed for 500 years and haven't made one in 46 years. So everyone's. Everyone's focused on feeling bad for the Mariners.
- [37:06]
Frankie Corrado
Pirates are still a team. They're still a team. That's good. Not really great baseball stadium, tough team.
- [37:13]
Sean Gentili
Thanks.
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Sean McIndeer
But thanks for.
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Frankie Corrado
Thanks.
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Sean Gentili
I'll pass that. Yeah.
- [37:17]
Sean McIndeer
Oh, God.
- [37:17]
Sean Gentili
Yeah, I know. I was. I was good for. Good for you guys. I'm glad he. Glad he's. Glad he's helping.
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Sean Gentili
Frankie, are you headed home after this, or did you get another game this week?
- [37:27]
Frankie Corrado
We got. We got Philly on Thursday, so me and Paul McLean will be back on the panel doing that. We'll get to see. Get to see the Mitch Cop show. Maybe he's in shape. Oh, boy.
- [37:39]
Sean McIndeer
Maybe. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. The show might be him sitting on the end of the bench opening the door.
- [37:45]
Frankie Corrado
I'm curious to see him in person. Like, I called a couple Philly games last year and is very talented player. Right. But holy smokes, man. Like, it feels like if there was ever a player that's a work in progress with his head coach. I mean, from. I mean, listen, he's going from torts to talk it like it's not exactly, you know, it's not exactly the Meech Cop type of guy that.
- [38:07]
Sean Gentili
Yeah, this is, like, fine. This is like, find the differences in. In the. In the picture and.
- [38:12]
Frankie Corrado
Yeah, it's Pam. It's Pam Beasley holding up your pictures, saying they're. The corporate wants you to find the difference between these two.
- [38:20]
Sean Gentili
One of them's bald.
- [38:21]
Frankie Corrado
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that'll be. That'll be interesting. That's on Thursday.
- [38:26]
Sean Gentili
I will table that where we'll be able to get 15 or 20 minutes out of. Out of Mishkov next. Next week. There's a lot going on there, so I'm glad you get to see it firsthand or whatever. Watch it with a more critical eye. I'll talk to you, buddy.
- [38:41]
Frankie Corrado
All right, boys, have a good one.
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- [41:01]
Sean Gentili
All right. There goes Frankie. It's just me and McIndo, Sean. We learn things every week. What have you learned?
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Sean McIndeer
I learned last night that bride Marchand is a human being with feelings and emotions. No. And tears that won't stop coming. When he came back to Boston, it was touching. It was a touching moment. And the the rehabilitation of Brad Marchand's reputation, going from most hated player in the league, the rat, all that stuff, to a fun guy who does funny stuff on social media and plays with a teddy bear in commercials and is also still a rat to his credit. But he got the well deserved ovation from Boston fans and, and, and he cried and the tears dripped onto the floor and turned into little tiny rats and scurried away and everybody was happy.
- [42:05]
Sean Gentili
This is like the inverse of 2 face in the dark Knight. This is like, you live long. You live long enough as the villain.
- [42:16]
Sean McIndeer
Something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
- [42:18]
Sean Gentili
You either die a villain or you live long enough to see yourself become a hero. Thank you, quick thank you, quick Google from, for a very famous quote from a movie that flew out of my head. Like, they're like, like the little tear rats scurrying across the ice in Boston.
- [42:33]
Sean McIndeer
This is, you know, you know, Tom Wilson is watching this, going in a couple years, this will be me.
- [42:38]
Sean Gentili
He's there.
- [42:38]
Sean McIndeer
I'll be that guy.
- [42:39]
Sean Gentili
Wilson's there already. I think, I think the risk, I think the response to the heel hit was, was pretty, was proof of, of how his image has been rehabbed. There are a lot of people who are like, what are you gonna do?
- [42:53]
Sean McIndeer
That hit was squeaky clean. I don't know, I don't know what we're, what we're doing here, but what did you learn?
- [43:01]
Sean Gentili
I thought I'd learned everything about Alex Ovechkin. And then I got an email from the Washington Capitals a few days ago pointing out that later this week, I believe it is Saturday in Columbus. I want to say he will become the eighth player to play 1500 NHL games with the same team. And shame on me for not realizing that this was coming down the pike. I feel like we're still to some degree on, on a milestone watch for oh, Vech. And he's got 900 goals coming up. You know, we're all aware of the big round numbers that are associated with that guy, but I missed the 1500 game thing maybe because I just don't think of it as that important of a mark, but the Capitals clearly do, and Oveskin clearly does. I talked to him about that in Washington yesterday. So story upcoming on the site about that. But, Sean, we're gonna steal from another, another much worse podcast and do a little bit of game show Wednesday here. Who are the other seven players who've made it to 1500 games? With NHL, with NHL franchises? How many can you name? Let's, let's, let's do it. That way. There are seven. There are seven guys. How many do you think you can name?
- [44:18]
Sean McIndeer
So 1500. With one team may have played for other teams.
- [44:22]
Sean Gentili
They may have.
- [44:22]
Sean McIndeer
Okay.
- [44:23]
Sean Gentili
Yes.
- [44:24]
Sean McIndeer
The. So Gordie Howe, for example, would be correct. All right.
- [44:28]
Sean Gentili
So he is at the top of the list. 1687 games with the Detroit Red Wings.
- [44:33]
Sean McIndeer
Okay. The. The other one who would fall into that category would be Ray Bork.
- [44:38]
Sean Gentili
Ray Bork, 1518 with the Boston Bruins.
- [44:42]
Sean McIndeer
Wow. Okay, So, I mean, boy, if Ray Bork is only just barely getting across the finish line, that's. That is tough. The. The other guys that I would think of. Nick Lidstrom.
- [44:53]
Sean Gentili
Yes, correct. 1564 with the red.
- [44:56]
Sean McIndeer
Steve Iserman in Detroit as well.
- [44:59]
Sean Gentili
Steve Yzerman, 15:14 with the Red Wings. He is seventh out of seven on. On the list in total. In total games.
- [45:06]
Sean McIndeer
And then whenever. Whenever you mention Iserman, you kind of always go to Joe Sakic.
- [45:12]
Sean Gentili
No Sakic.
- [45:15]
Sean McIndeer
Okay. And then the. The only other one that. Well, no, two more that jump to my. First of all, just because we're on the Detroit list with all their guys. Alex Delvecchi.
- [45:25]
Sean Gentili
Oh, my God. I. I figured you would not get Alex Del Vecchio.
- [45:29]
Sean McIndeer
Well, I figured he was the reason I. I know that one is because he watched him.
- [45:35]
Sean Gentili
Because you watched him play.
- [45:36]
Sean McIndeer
He was before.
- [45:41]
Sean Gentili
Look, sorry, settle down, all right?
- [45:44]
Sean McIndeer
He was before my time. But the Red Wings, I mean, that's what they do. They have guys who just stay there forever. And with how Eisenman, Lidstrom, and then Delvecchio is the one you forget. The other one is, did Patrick Marlowe get there with.
- [45:58]
Sean Gentili
Patrick Marlowe got there. He's actually number two on the list. 1607 with the sharks.
- [46:02]
Frankie Corrado
Wow.
- [46:03]
Sean McIndeer
What is that? Did I get five or six of them?
- [46:05]
Sean Gentili
My man, you got six of them. There's. There's. There's one.
- [46:10]
Sean McIndeer
Is it an old timer or is it like a.
- [46:12]
Sean Gentili
It is. It is not an old timer. And I fear if I give you a hint, then the hint that I'm thinking it'll.
- [46:20]
Sean McIndeer
Crosby. Right? Like is Crosby. Crosby isn't there.
- [46:23]
Sean Gentili
He's. He's about. I think he's. I looked this up a couple days ago. Of course. I think he's like 200 games off or so.
- [46:30]
Sean McIndeer
Is he active today?
- [46:32]
Sean Gentili
He is not active. He was fairly recently active. Would you like a hint?
- [46:38]
Sean McIndeer
Yes, I would.
- [46:40]
Sean Gentili
He has a son who is a current NHL player.
- [46:43]
Sean McIndeer
That doesn't narrow it down.
- [46:45]
Sean Gentili
I know. I didn't. I didn't want to. I didn't want to just lob it up to you. There's another. There's another easier one. He has a. He has a son who's a current NHL player, and he has worked in front offices before. How about that doesn't narrow it down at all because that's. That's the. Those are the two main traits of hockey.
- [47:04]
Sean McIndeer
If you play in the NHL for 100 games, your son will play in the NHL and you will work in front offices.
- [47:14]
Sean Gentili
He did this.
- [47:15]
Sean McIndeer
He.
- [47:15]
Sean Gentili
Oh, here. Here you go. You're. You're gonna get it. He played all these games for a team that relocated more than 1500 games for a. For a franchise that was located in two different cities at the time of him playing those games. You have forgotten Shane Dunn.
- [47:38]
Sean McIndeer
I have forgotten. Shane. Don't. You weren't.
- [47:40]
Sean Gentili
Absolutely forgot, and you weren't gonna get there.
- [47:44]
Sean McIndeer
I was not. No. That was. Okay. Yeah, that's. That does. That does Check all the boxes. I'm sorry, Shane.
- [47:53]
Sean Gentili
He's a. He's a. He's a subscriber, so whatever. Thank you. Thank you for apologizing to him. He would have been very.
- [47:59]
Frankie Corrado
Now I've.
- [48:00]
Sean McIndeer
I've potentially lost this yet again.
- [48:03]
Sean Gentili
We're gonna get fired. Yeah. So I shout out to Ovechkin, though, I guess, like, this seems like it's something that. It seems like it's something that he sincerely cares about, which I thought was interesting. I, I. You know, everyone likes round numbers, but this was one that just completely slipped.
- [48:18]
Sean McIndeer
Where is Crosby on the list? Have it in front of you. Like what he's up to that.
- [48:25]
Sean Gentili
I. I want to say he was around. I'm looking it up right now. I want to say he was around. He's. He's a little bit behind, obviously, because.
- [48:32]
Sean McIndeer
Because he missed the concussion.
- [48:34]
Sean Gentili
Had some concussion issues of Note. He's at 1352.
- [48:37]
Sean McIndeer
13. Okay. So he's not gonna get there.
- [48:43]
Sean Gentili
We can. We can save that for another time.
- [48:45]
Sean McIndeer
Might get to 14. Might.
- [48:48]
Sean Gentili
He's getting a 14.
- [48:50]
Frankie Corrado
Okay. They're good.
- [48:53]
Sean Gentili
The Penguins are good. That's all the time we have for this week. Thank you, Sean McAdoo. Thank you, Frankie Corrado, and thank you for listening to our beloved athletic hockey show, Wednesday edition. The three of us are back next week. I am back tomorrow with Haley. That's when the next show is. So thank you again for listening. We will talk to you real soon.
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Par le tu francais hablas espanol?
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Par l' italiano?
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