Should the Rangers fire Chris Drury?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Athletic Hockey Show

Episode Title: Should the Rangers fire Chris Drury?
Release Date: January 15, 2026
Hosts: Haley Salvian, Sean Gentile
Guest Analyst: Dom Luszczyszyn

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Episode Overview

This episode takes a deep dive into the turmoil surrounding the New York Rangers and embattled GM Chris Drury, set against the backdrop of a lopsided loss to Ottawa that sparked “fire Drury” chants at Madison Square Garden. Alongside this, the panel recaps key NHL games from Wednesday night, reflects on Connor McDavid’s quietly dominant 20-game point streak (comparing it historically to Sidney Crosby), and offers playoff predictions, all while keeping the banter lively and irreverent.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Rangers Meltdown & Fan Revolt

• Ottawa Senators vs. New York Rangers (8–5): The Rangers were handily beaten at home by an Ottawa team in turmoil, triggering loud “fire Drury” chants.
• Goaltending Woes: Igor Shesterkin’s absence is exposing the Rangers’ flaws; Jonathan Quick’s recent save percentage is in the 700s.
• Roster Construction Issues: The lack of successful draft picks under both Jeff Gorton and Drury is a glaring concern—rookie Noah Laba being the only Drury draft pick in the regular lineup.
• Team Identity Crisis: Adam Fox’s injury has left the blueline in shambles, and the prospect pipeline isn’t replacing aging or underperforming core players.

“God bless Jonathan Quick… But I think what the Rangers are seeing is what happens when you don’t have Igor Shesterkin bailing them out on a night-to-night basis.”
— Sean Gentile [06:14]

“This feels like the trench. This feels like the bottom of something.”
— Sean Gentile [09:39]

• Potential for Drastic Moves: Despite recent support from Rangers/Knicks owner James Dolan, the panel notes the “fire Drury” outcry might force action sooner than anticipated.

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2. New Jersey Devils: Signs of Life?

• Recent Surge: New Jersey wins 3–2 in OT against the Kraken; Jack Hughes appears to be regaining form post-injury, even if still bandaged up.
• Dougie Hamilton’s Benchings: Hamilton has looked strong in his last two games after a surprising healthy scratch. Debate on his role/value continues.

“Dougie, my ride or die. I’ll always defend him… If the results are truly bad, then I will pivot.”
— Dom Luszczyszyn [13:41]

• Crowded Blue Line Concerns: The show discusses the challenges of fitting two high-priced “top pair” defenders into meaningful minutes, with Luke Hughes overtaking top power play duties.

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3. Buffalo Sabres: Playoff Dark Horse?

• Hot Streak: Buffalo climbs into a Wild Card slot after winning 14 out of 16, pushing Toronto out of a playoff spot.
• Local Excitement: The Sabres’ fan base is energized, with listeners and personal anecdotes highlighting the mood in Buffalo.
• Long-Awaited Turnaround: Panelists (especially Dom) discuss feeling vindicated after preseason belief in Buffalo, noting “they’ve played not great hockey for 15 years before this.”

“We have boots on the ground with Sean’s friend Greg. I think the city's coming alive and… this is a hockey town that’s been starved.”
— Dom Luszczyszyn [17:38]

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4. Connor McDavid’s 20-Game Point Streak vs. Sidney Crosby’s Era-Defining Run

[Segment Starts ~22:00]

• Comparative Stats:

  • McDavid (2026): 19 goals, 46 points in 20 games (career-best pace)
  • Crosby (2010–11): 25 goals, 50 points in 25 games (in lower-scoring environment)

• Historic Context: Only the fourth player in the salary cap era to hit a 20-game streak; analysis suggests McDavid’s underlying shot/chance stats might even outpace Crosby, but Crosby’s run remains more iconic due to the circumstances.

• Media & Fan Attention Gap: The current streak feels “quiet,” lacking the national buzz and aura of Crosby’s HBO “Winter Classic” season.

“McDavid is doing things that even McDavid hasn’t done before… But it doesn’t have the same aura of Crosby’s streak.”
— Dom Luszczyszyn [23:14]

“Sidney Crosby did all that while he had an HBO show… That was a huge part of building the aura.”
— Sean Gentile [25:05]

• Aura Analysis:
  • Crosby’s run was magnified by an HBO series, a Winter Classic, and Pittsburgh’s status as an NHL powerhouse at the time.
  • Injuries derailed Crosby shortly after, elevating the historical significance of the streak.
  • McDavid’s regular excellence may have induced “voter fatigue” and contributed to his streak’s under-the-radar status.

“I feel like it’s almost similar to the voter fatigue conversation we’ve had about the Hart. Connor McDavid ripping off point streaks… it’s just like, yeah, OK.”
— Haley Salvian [34:25]

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5. Pre-Olympic NHL Schedule Crunch & Injury Risk

• Ramped-Up Schedules: The show notes NHL teams are entering a brutal stretch—Washington, for instance, will play 12 games in 22 days before Olympic break, with several back-to-backs and long road trips.
• Potential for Injuries: The frantic pace could lead to injury spikes and punish teams severely for poor stretches.

“You are punished pretty dramatically for having a bad six or seven or eight days in a way that you typically aren’t.”
— Sean Gentile [41:11]

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6. Rapid-Fire Playoff Prediction: Sabres or Kraken?

[42:00–44:40]

• Buffalo Sabres favored: Both panelists pick Buffalo as the more likely playoff team over Seattle, citing the Sabres’ higher-end talent, five-on-five play, and underlying numbers. Seattle’s schedule only gets tougher.

“They have the high end in a way that Seattle doesn’t, they have the five on five play in a way that Seattle doesn’t.”
— Sean Gentile [42:32]

“Who is the best player on the Kraken, and where would they rank on the Sabres? …I would take Tage over [McCann], I would take Tuch over him…”
— Dom Luszczyszyn [43:44]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Rangers Fan Revolt:
  “This feels like the bottom of something… If ever there was a result that deserved to get booed, it was last night.”
  — Sean Gentile [09:39]

• On Crosby vs. McDavid Aura:
  “Sidney Crosby did all that while he had an HBO show. That was a huge part of building the aura around that streak.”
  — Sean Gentile [25:05]

• On Dougie Hamilton’s Ups & Downs:
  “Doug, my ride or die. I’ll always defend him. If the results are truly bad, then I will pivot.”
  — Dom Luszczyszyn [13:41]

• On Sabres Renaissance:
  “This is a hockey town that’s been starved for something like this. I really want to see the energy… if the Sabres do make it.”
  — Dom Luszczyszyn [17:38]

• On NHL Schedule Madness:
  “12 games in 22 days, including a bunch of back to backs and a whole bunch of travel… I think there’s going to be repercussions.”
  — Sean Gentile [40:26]

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Lighthearted Banter, Running Gags & Podcast Culture

• Repeated jabs at Max Boltman “demoted” to Mondays, minor-league/prospect podcast metaphors.
• Playful teasing about Dom's beer-league hockey skills and pet stories.
• Running joke about “Narayah Samuelson/Manoris Norrison” as possible Sabres defensive pairings (from Sean’s friend Greg).
• Cracks at the Kraken’s roster (“Who’s the best player on the Kraken?”) and Marner’s tough adjustment to Vegas life (“…Oh man, I can’t play video games with my friends. This sucks.” — Dom [45:54])

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Additional Segments

• Leafs and Mitch Marner in Vegas: Brief chat about Marner’s struggles adjusting to a new city and being away from his comfort zone.
• Sign-off and Acknowledgments: Haley jokes about “getting fired,” Dom’s self-effacing Kraken apology, and reminders for listeners about the prospect show.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Rangers vs. Senators, Drury Outcry: [06:00–11:00]
• Devils’ Recent Run, Dougie Hamilton Debate: [11:00–15:49]
• Sabres’ Hot Streak & Wild Card Race: [15:49–18:49]
• McDavid vs. Crosby Historic Point Streaks: [22:01–35:33]
• Olympic Schedule Squeeze Discussion: [37:22–41:38]
• Sabres vs. Kraken Playoff Ceiling: [42:00–44:40]
• Leafs/Marner in Vegas Banter: [45:19–47:59]

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Overall Tone & Closing Thoughts

This episode balances sharp analytics with a conversational, jokey style. The team successfully connects big-picture narratives (like executive accountability and the fleeting nature of superstar “aura”) with the daily realities of NHL teams and their fans. In-depth analysis is punctuated by creative, snarky asides, offering something for both die-hard hockey nerds and fans who relish personality-driven sports talk.

If you missed the episode:
— The Rangers’ woes are now at crisis level, with Drury on the hot seat and few easy fixes in sight.
— Buffalo remains the East’s most intriguing playoff dark horse.
— Connor McDavid’s latest feat might be his best stretch yet, but still lacks the Crosby-era mystique (through no fault of his own).
— Watch for the coming Olympic break and how the schedule crunch could shake up the playoff race.
— And, apparently, don’t expect Dom to say anything nice about the Kraken.

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For full stat breakdowns and streak analysis, visit The Athletic’s “16 Stats” column by Dom Luszczyszyn.

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[Haley Salvian]

Hello everyone, it's Haley Salvian and Sean Gentile here with you for another episode of the Athletic Athletic Hockey Show. We teased maybe giving Max Boltman a call up from the Monday show, but we actually found this like analytics darling instead. We're gonna bring him in. It's Dom Loose Chish, and he's here with us this Thursday to jump around the NHL dive into a 16 stats column and Connor McDavid's kind of quiet 20 game point streak.

[Sean Gentile]

Very casual 20 point games.

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah, he's chilling. No one's really talking about it. We'll get to that in the second segment. But let' spring. And Sean and Dom. What's up guys?

[Sean Gentile]

When you said give Max a call up from the Monday show, did you mean like give him a call up? No, a call or like a call up from Budget? Yeah, that's. Both would have been. Both would have been true. I just, I just want. I just Wanted to clarify that. Okay. Very, very nice.

[Haley Salvian]

It is my personal opinion that Max was demoted to Monday.

[Sean Gentile]

Totally. I was in Detroit a couple days ago. He was too busy to see me because he had to go see, I think Sergey Fedorov's jersey retire game. Like. Like, whatever, man. I don't know, Dominic.

[Haley Salvian]

I think we. I think we found a little prize in this Dom.

[Sean Gentile]

Let's see.

[Haley Salvian]

Let's see how he does.

[Sean Gentile]

Is.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Is Monday the Miners? Is that what's happening?

[Haley Salvian]

That. I think so.

[Dom Loose Chish]

I'm not even on a podcast. I'm in the echl. I guess that's.

[Sean Gentile]

That's. That's prman. Come on. It's pro. It's. It's Prodman and Wheeler in Max. Yeah, that's the echo.

[Haley Salvian]

That's the. The prospects. They're in the WHL or whatever. Dom's the spunky kid playing beer league that we were like, someone's got to look at this kid now.

[Dom Loose Chish]

If you've seen my last beer league games, they are bad.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah.

[Haley Salvian]

Nobody needs to. Whatever's happening at 10pm at the Ford performance, no one needs to know my business.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah, she'd bleep out where his games are. My God.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Yeah, people are gonna be.

[Haley Salvian]

There's several ranks. That was just a joke. I don't know. Don't go there. The doors are locked. Okay, So I shared this off mic with producer Jeff and Dom, maybe you'll appreciate this too, very quickly before we get into Wednesday night's games. So Bono, my dog is in a cone, and the vet said he needs a collar to keep the cone on. So I went to the Dollar store because Bono's a French bulldog. Collars are bad for their throats. The only collars available were Toronto Maple Leafs ones. So Bono's been ripping around the city of Toronto and Maple Leafs gear, and it's. It's kind of embarrassing.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Did he wear Tuesday night's game?

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah, he's in a cone of shame with a shameful Leafs collar on while they're out of playoff position.

[Dom Loose Chish]

It's immense pride after Monday, Humongous shame after Tuesday. The way it goes in Toronto.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah, he's actually. He's actually. He's actually the third line center right now.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Hey, Nick Wa has been pretty good.

[Sean Gentile]

Oh, my God. I guess. I guess that's true. Yeah, he's a valuable depth middle sixer or a vivo middle sixer. How about that?

[Haley Salvian]

They're gonna give him a shot beside Austin Matthews. See how it works? All right, so that was my little dog update. It's been. I don't know. I don't like walking around in team gear unless it's like the Blue Jays or something. So it's been kind of funny to have the dog in his little Leafs Leafs themed cone. All right, four games the NHL on Wednesday night, guys. Let's start with Ottawa, New York very quickly here. The Senators went 8 to 5, but midway through the second period, Ottawa's up 51 and fire Drury Chance begin at the Garden. What do you guys make of that? Is it surprising at this point with the New York Rangers? I know we had Peter Ball on last week, so we went pretty deep into trade scenarios, the injuries, but one week from then, seven days later, things are getting pretty spicy at the Garden.

[Sean Gentile]

I think the fact that they lost isn't surprising. That's just how things are trending for them. Like we shouldn't be surprised that this team loses any game on any given night, especially one without Igor Shusturkin in net. I think that's a big part of what's become clear over the last little bit. God bless Jonathan Quick. I love him. He's one of the few remaining NHL players who older than I am. Like I got all the time in the world for that. But I think what the Rangers are seeing is what happens when you don't have Igor Shusterkin bailing them out on a night to night basis. Quick, since Shusterkin's been out, his safe Percentage is in the 700s. It hasn't been good. So we know that this can happen on any given night. So it shouldn't be that much of a surprise. The other side of the coin though is that it happened against the Ottawa Senators at one of the most chaos for one of the most chaotic stretches that an NHL team has had I think over the last few years. Given, you know, the, the, the statement that they had to release about Linus Ulmark's personal even and all that stuff. This is a team that's, that's in disarray right off the ice to some extent. Then you throw in the fact that Levi Marilyn is the, is the replacement for all Mark and he's been putrid. So, so you have a goalie who's playing terribly on a team that's in the middle of some kind of, some kind of distress come in and do that. I think that's the surprising part. Not that they lost. It's that they lost the way that they did to Ottawa. And if, yeah, if ever there, there was a result that deserved to get booed and deserved to lead to fire the GM chance. I think that was it last night.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Yeah. Respect to Ottawa's scorers who needed to put up eight to beat the Rangers. Yeah, that's how bad Mary Linen has been. I've seen some online discourse unhappy with Brady Tachuk and I think he had a four point night so good for him. Again you Sean talked about Shusterkin being out. They also are missing not USA Olympian Adam Fox and that blue line is absolutely horrific without him. It's not great with him but he at least like carries it. He's that good. I I don't know who's supposed to create offense from this blue line. The first month of William Borgen's 20122526 season was, was great but he is back to being William Borgn unfortunately. So I it's two teams going in the opposite direction. I think the Sens are going to start trending back up again, but they need some goaltending and allowing four goals in a win is still not ideal.

[Sean Gentile]

I loved what Vince McCogliano wrote after the game too. He's in his first season with us as one of the Rangers beat writers and he's been fantastic. I think his, the way he laid it out there after that result last night was pretty impressive. Tons of good bits from what he wrote and what he's written over the last, over the last couple of days. It's the I knew they drafted poorly, I knew they drafted poorly going back to Jeff Gordon really. But he really kind of lays it plain in something Vince does and something he wrote a couple of days ago. The only jury draft pick who's carved out a regular role is rookie center Noah Laba. So like that's an example of the issues that they faced, you know, going back to the capo Kaka, the capo Kako pick and LA Frontier pick. I mean once you, you miss on high end draft picks like that and, and further down then, and further down the, the in the order and you can't, you can't fill out a lineup adequately right. So if, if you have a broken pipeline coming to the league and then your best players age out and or you know, fail to fail to perform. I, I think to some extent, you know, this is, this is predictable. But to see it again on home ice where they've just been absolutely awful all season long against that particular team, man, this is, this feels like, this feels like the trench. This feels like the bottom of something. And another thing Vince said coming out of that game last night is he wouldn't rule out something drastic today. He doesn't know what it is because, you know, it's tough for them to make a move and, you know, they can safely assume that they've backed off trying to pry Kiefer Sherwood away from the Canucks. So Vince, Vince isn't getting into specifics, but it's the kind of result that, you know, leads to action in one way or another. And he kind of said to watch out for that. So that's something to keep your eye on on Thursday and Friday.

[Haley Salvian]

I just think the timing is interesting too, because Rangers Knicks owner James Stolen gave like a pretty glowing review and backed Chris Jury like a week ago, 10 days ago, saying, you have to be patient. Chris Jury is a winner and a competitor. He can't stand to lose. So he seems like the owner's backing his guy. But, you know, 10 days later, they're close to the bottom. He's getting booed. They want. They're calling for him to get fired. The sends are putting aid on you, so we'll see how quickly things can change. In to 10 days, the New Jersey Devils win their second straight game. Dom, are we seeing them get out of free fall a little bit. It's a 3, 2 overtime win against the Kraken, by the way. They're third in the Pacific, sitting in a playoff spot. The Seattle Kraken are. But the Devils win. Do you have a thought on New Jersey?

[Dom Loose Chish]

It sort of feels like Jack Hughes is finding his. His rhythm the last couple of games. I think that is the biggest thing. Thing. They were absolutely abhorrent offensively when he was out. And he still had his hand in some. In some bandaging. We found out from some TMZ style photos with him and Tate McCray.

[Haley Salvian]

That iconic. Yeah, I'm, I.

[Sean Gentile]

That's old news, man. Those photos. Those photos are taken.

[Dom Loose Chish]

No, no, like the, the fact that he was back.

[Sean Gentile]

They.

[Dom Loose Chish]

There's new photos of Tay McRae and he's. His hand is still wrapped up and he's playing so obviously not 100. He's looked closer to that. The last.

[Sean Gentile]

Wait, there's new photos of Jack and Tate McCray. Wait a second. I was unaware of this.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Okay. I think you're pretty aware you're. You're up on tape.

[Haley Salvian]

A winter coat.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Yeah.

[Haley Salvian]

And she posted on Instagram saying like it was cold out and everyone's like, she's in Minnesota for the Fuse Bowl. It's so important to me. That's gonna be our third segment from now on is the Tate McCray, corner. And I'll wear the T shirt I got from her concert.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Sean loves that. I think the more important development is that Dougie Hamilton was amazing the last two games after being healthy scratch. Maybe. Maybe that's all they needed, just healthy scratch, arguably still their best defenseman, and get him back to being a $9 million guy. I still think he has a lot of juice, even if he's not fully a 9 million guy. He looks like last two nights. I don't think he is right now, but he still has some game left. And I think the fact the healthy scratched him was a little silly to put it.

[Sean Gentile]

Like, what's. What's it gonna take for you to be out all the way on Dougie? I'm not saying you should be, because I do. I do agree with you, and so does Tom Fitzgerald, by the way. He told the reporters yesterday. He made a point to say, you know, that Dougie's. Dougie's been good since he was scratched. So I'm not. I'm not here to, you know, throw dirt on Dougie. What would it take for you to be completely out on him, though? Because this is. I just love. I love hearing you defend this guy, and I've loved it for 5 years or 8 years or 12 years or however long it's.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Doug, my ride or die. I'll always demand him.

[Sean Gentile]

Congratulations.

[Dom Loose Chish]

If the results are, like, truly bad, then I will pivot. And I. I definitely don't think he is as good as he was two or three years ago. And even his entire tenure with the Devils, I think, has been a lot more up and down than when he was next to Jacob Slavin. So obviously there was. There was something there. But this year, he is, for some reason, their matchup defenseman. We all know Dougie's not known for his defense, so it's a little odd they're putting him in that role. And he has been arguably their best defenseman given that context. And I think people will see that he doesn't have a lot of points, as usual. I think a lot of that is his teammates just aren't finishing at, like, a historically low rate for him. He is not getting points on goals he's on the ice for. And I think it's just. It does look like a guy who's been a bit unlucky more than actually bad.

[Haley Salvian]

Wasn't that a bit. I don't know if concerns the right word, but wasn't that a conversation that a lot of people had when Luke Hughes was Signing his big extension of like, now you have two, you know, quote unquote, top pair guys, top power play guys making a ton of money, but only one of them is going to get those offensive blue line minutes. And so far it's looking like that's. I mean, that's been Luke Hughes, he's on the top power play. Doug, he's power play too. If he's in the lineup. It was one scratch. So I don't want to overreact, but I assume the usage between Luke Hughes and Dougie Hamilton's playing a role there.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Yeah, for sure. I think one of the reasons Dougie's not been the best this year is he's usually someone who really drives five on five, who gets points there as well, and doesn't really depend on power play as much as maybe some other offensive defenseman. And that just hasn't shown up as much this year. And I think that's been the story with the Devils this year, is they can't score power play. Five on five, it doesn't matter. With Hughes out, it became a huge, massive issue. And you'd think with Hughes, with Nemech, with Hamilton manning the blue line, they'd have enough offense from there, but just hasn't manifested in that way.

[Haley Salvian]

All right, final game we can talk about from Wednesday night before we take a break and get into Connor McDavid. The Buffalo Sabers won their 14th of 16.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Oh, my God.

[Haley Salvian]

Is anyone paying attention to the Buffalo Sabers right now? And it's against the Philadelphia Flyers. Meaningful game in the middle of January for these two teams. It's kind of fun if you're Sabers and Flyers fans, I guess, specifically.

[Sean Gentile]

I know who's. I know who's paying attention, by the way.

[Haley Salvian]

Your friend Greg.

[Sean Gentile]

Friend? My friend Greg from. From Buffalo. Proud Buffalo native. He's. He's texting me all possible permutations that have Matthias Samuelson and Norris in the. So it's like Manoris Samuelson, Matthias Norrison, like he's. He's running out of different combinations. I think we got Manora Samuelson last night and that went over the. Over the Flyers.

[Haley Salvian]

Dom, are you liking the Buffalo Sabers? Like Sean's friend Greg?

[Dom Loose Chish]

I am loving this. I don't remember if it was last time I was here or two times ago where we were asked about which of these east teams on the bubble or outside still have a shot. And I proudly still said Sabers because it was my preseason pick, even though they looked absolutely horrible. They have vindicated me with this massive stretch. So I feel, I'm feeling great about, about the Sabres right now.

[Sean Gentile]

We got a Josh Norris injury, everybody. He left after getting cross checked to the ribs. That seems like it's hopefully nothing long.

[Haley Salvian]

Term, but as long as it's not the shoulder.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah, true.

[Haley Salvian]

That's tough. With the win, the Buffalo Sabres kick Toronto out of playoff spot. So Sabers are sitting pretty in a wild card right now.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Who's among us as as they deserve? I They've been playing great hockey. They have been playing not Great hockey for 15 years. Before that. I We have boots on the ground with Sean's friend Greg. I think the city's coming alive and we, I mean this is a hockey town that's been starved for something like this. I really want to see the energy with the. If the Sabres do make it all right.

[Haley Salvian]

Tage Thompson, just under a point per game player this season.

[Sean Gentile]

If they go, if they go in the tank, you know it's going to happen immediately. When the Bills are eliminated from the NFL playoffs. That's just how things work for them. They're not gonna be, they'll.

[Haley Salvian]

It's like, oh, we're the main ticket in town.

[Sean Gentile]

If and when the Bills are done, say, say, say the Bills win the super bowl, like whatever, when, whenever it happens, you know they're losing seven of nine. That's just, that's just, that's just the way it's gonna work.

[Haley Salvian]

It's just cruel. That's sad. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, we're Gonna compare Connor McDavid's 20 game point streak to Sydney Crosby's from 15 years ago. What an era. We'll be right back on the Athletic Hockey Show.

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[Haley Salvian]

All right, 15 years ago, Sidney Crosby put up arguably the greatest stretch of hockey in the salary cap era, scoring 25 goals and 50 points over a 25 game point streak. Connor McDavid is somewhat quietly giving Sidney Crosby a run for his money since December 4th, he scored 19 goals and 46 points, the highest mark over any 20 game stretch of his career, beating his previous best of 44. Dom wrote pretty extensively about this in 16 stats. If you want to read more about this, but let's chat about it now. Dom Just how crazy has this stretch been for the Oilers captain? And how do we kind of compare this to Sidney Crosby, who was like the best player on the planet, slash, the best player we've ever seen during that stretch of hockey?

[Dom Loose Chish]

Yeah, that stretch of hockey from Crosby was obviously special. I remember where I was watching almost every game. And McDavid may not have the same aura of that streak because this has been a fairly quiet 20 game point streak. He's only the fourth player to do in the salary cap era, joining Kane and Marner as well. But to have McDavid beat himself is, I think what makes it really special. Looking at his. All his 20 game streaks throughout his career, his previous best being 44, now it's at 46. Like McDavid is doing things that even McDavid hasn't done before. I think the big thing is that this is a different era than when Crosby did it. It was lower scoring when Crosby did it. And even if you control for that, it feels like what McDavid is doing has been more impressive on paper. He has a higher XG rate. The power play in Edmonton has been absolutely nuts with him. Just the fact he's scoring more, he's generating more shots and chances on his own, he has been absolutely unbelievable. There's 20 games, probably the best of his career. But I think back to the aura argument where I think when Crosby was on his point streak like Sean's from Pittsburgh. Haley, huge Crosby fan. Growing up, like, we were all like tuned in to this and I think it was a huge story after every single game. And with McDavid, it just feels like it's not quite the same level in terms of the attention it's getting.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah, I, you know, I'm gonna come across like, I'm like I'm dumping on McDavid here. That is not what I wanted. And I don't think it's a coincidence. By the way, that sounds like a dump on McDavid. This streak started right after it was all Sean McAdoo, by the way, like brought up. He was one of the. We were a couple of the people that brought up. And Frankie, Frankie Corrado. He's also to blame for this. We floated the. Is McKinnon better right now? Not overall, but I think it was. And I think literally he played a game that night and started. And started the point streak. So. Whoopsie daisy. Dom, you said it's, it's. He's one of four players in the, in the, in the salary cap era to do this to have, have a streak like this. He's one of 12 since 1990. 91. So you go even further back and I think that makes it, that makes it all the more impressive. But yeah, I, I kind of had the same reaction yesterday. The NHL every morning sends out this great email kind of summing up what happened the night before, you know, with stats and context and historical bits and then teeing up. Whatever's going to happen the following night in the McDavid point streak was like buried in the middle of the email like under the heading of, you know, Roman Yossi, overtime winner against the Oilers. Also, also Connor McDavid, you know, had a, had a 20 game point streak that, that has extended to his 29th birthday. So I, but I think that kind of sums it up and I think the Oilers team results over that stretch have been part of the issue there. They are what they are. I don't think they haven't been terrible, but I also think that just because of the way their last couple regular seasons have gone and I think there's some degree of Oilers fatigue that's, that's, that's seeped in. I think that's, that's a play to some extent, but also like more generally, Dom, you kind of got into this. Sidney Crosby did all that while he had an HBO show. That's a huge part of it. They were on the road to the Winter Classic series back then. They had the game against the Capitals coming up on, on January 1, 2011. That was a huge part of building the aura around, around that streak. I mean I can like that was.

[Haley Salvian]

That truly those shows were so good. Like those were like me and my parents were sad every week. Well, my, me and my dad, my mom was like not a sports gal.

[Sean Gentile]

I was out of college by that point. I was living in Charlotte, North Carolina. My roommate at the time couldn't have cared less about NHL hockey. Just, it was not something that entered his, that entered his purview. And he was the dude who was sitting on the couch watching HBO every week. Like he was captivated by it. And I, I just, I'll never, I'll never forget, you know, the way that that show seemed to surface on a way that the sport rarely does in the United States. And that was literally during Crosby's point streak. It was during a 10 game winning streak by the Penguins and it was in the run up to the Winter Classic. So I think there is like important context. Classic was still cool. The Winter Classic was still cool. It wasn't it, you know, Just go down the list. It was December. It's like, you know, the. The hall, the. The holidays are around. Like, there's. There's any number of reasons, you know, that. That. That that streak had a little. Had a little bit more juice than. Than this one does.

[Haley Salvian]

That would have been the Winter Classic. That was at Hines Field against the caps.

[Sean Gentile]

Correct.

[Haley Salvian]

2010 too. Right? So, like, that. I. I still remember watching that HBO series of Pens caps and like, the rivalry there, how good Crosby was. They were 19, 5 and 1 during that streak. So not only was there, like, the juice of his streak, the intrigue of the Winter Classic, the Penguins were the best team in the NHL at the time, too. Like, there was just more going for that team. And to use Dom's term, like, there was just, like, the aura around Sidney CROSBY and like, 2010, you really can't describe it really well. Like, I was, like, still in high school or whatever and just, like, obsessed with the Penguins and Sidney Crosby. Like, there was nothing cooler than that team and that player. My parents and I would drive to Pittsburgh to go to games every year during that era of Sidney crosby. So Connor McDavid has, like, he's the best player on the planet, but it's interesting how he's not getting the same amount. There's just not the same juice there. And I think it was just the timing and the Penguins, really.

[Sean Gentile]

Absolutely. And also before I move on to, like, talking a little bit more about the specifics of McDavid streak, what's added, I think, to the way that streak, the Crosby streak, is viewed publicly is. Is what happened during the 2011 Winter Classic. We saw the start of the. Of the concussion saga that, you know, at one point very legitimately seemed to threaten Sidney Crosby's career. Like, that's what. That's what the dialogue was around him for almost two years after that. Right. And. But everyone had also known what we'd just seen. So as we're waiting for Sidney Crosby to come back from. From his concussion, and in whatever. Whatever that entailed in the back of everybody's mind was, all right, we just saw this dude play 20 or 25 of the best of the best games anybody had watched in the years preceding that. So I think that added some kind. And then the question turned into whether we would ever see him at that level again and whether that was like, the absolute apex or Sidney Crosby as a hockey player. Like, I think, you know, the overall context of the streak in the years that preceded it gave it, you know, another. Another level of, of notoriety and another level of juice. And that's just not, you know, we haven't had that thankfully haven't had that opportunity to, you know, surrounding McDavid.

[Dom Loose Chish]

I think like to add to that, it was Crosby leveling up to a level we didn't think was fathomable in that era. Like he, I think had settled in as like 110 point guy. And we're like, all right, that is, that is the peak. That's what we can maybe expect. And he's like, I'm going to score two points per game because I can, because I'm Sidney Crosby and I am better than everyone. And with McDavid, because we've already seen him just go off in the playoffs, have these two point per game moments, I don't think it reaches like the national conscience that he is doing something better than he's ever done before where he has never scored at this pace. He's on 189 point pace. Like that's Gretzky level.

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah, yeah. He's just doing what people kind of expect or need to see. Like, you know, the expectation on Connor McDavid is just so skewed right now. To your point, Dom.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah, and he's also, he's also a power play Merchant. Crosby wasn't.

[Dom Loose Chish]

And that is a fair enough point because the power play has been a huge part of this. At the same time, you can make the argument that the Oilers have been a bit unlucky during this streak because McDavid has been generating so much at 5 on 5 and they just aren't putting it in the way they, they should.

[Sean Gentile]

Crosby at 4.45 on five points per 60 during his stretch. McDavid to 3.3. And they've been outscored with him on the ice 22 to 14. Crosby, Crosby 30.

[Haley Salvian]

You said you weren't trying to dump on.

[Sean Gentile]

I'm just saying, David, that's the difference. To me, that's a differentiation point. If we want to strip the context from it and we want to. We want to ignore the HBO show and we want to ignore what happened in the Winter Classic, which is completely fair, that's a fine exercise. I think the differentiation point here, one of them for me, and one of the reasons that Crosby still stays ahead of McDavid, at least in this particular category, is that he was. Is that There were the 5 on 5 production and results were significantly better. And I think that's. And I'm joking about McDavid being a power play merchant. I'm kidding. I am not serious. But like when you're splitting hairs and when you're trying to figure out which of the two greatest runs that we've seen is the greatest, I think those are the kind of things that come into play.

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah, well, it wasn't really a debate. We were just talking about how good.

[Sean Gentile]

Having a debate with my edition.

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah, like you're.

[Sean Gentile]

I'm snap. I'm snapping back into my natural mode, which is to defend Sidney Crosby at all costs, clearly.

[Haley Salvian]

Right. I was just asking Dom how good Connor McDavid is.

[Dom Loose Chish]

It's a fair question though. Like that, like that is. These are the two greatest streaks that we've seen. The salary cap era. And I think the 5 on 5 point is an important one. Like Sean mentioned that Crosby had 4.4 points per 60. I think the Penguins were on like he was on for 4.4 goals. So he had a point on like, I think every five on five goal during that stretch. And McDavid, like they're still outscoring teams, but it's not the same effect that that Crosby did. At the same time, he's not getting the picking the points that Crosby did and the power play. I mean, I can, you can slag on crazy for not dominating the power play with Guinea Malkin on it, but true. It's. If you are thinking about what's more, I think valuable, I think the 505 stuff does point in crosses direction. And in terms of like historic relevance, like I can say McDavid has a 65XG. Like that doesn't matter in the terms of a streak.

[Sean Gentile]

Like, I love the self awareness that you're showing there. Thank you. Thank you for that.

[Haley Salvian]

I just feel like it's almost similar to like the voter fatigue conversation that we've had about the heart. Like Connor McDavid ripping off point streaks and being unbelievable. It's just like, yeah, okay. Like it's just not popping in the same way. Maybe because of marketing, maybe because they're on the west coast, they're playing on mountain time, people aren't awake for it. Or it's just like, yeah, Connor McDavid's the best player on the planet. He's doing his thing out there. Like, awesome, cool. And no one's really talking about it the way that we should be because like this really is an unbelievable streak. 19 goals and 46 points in 20 games. It's like Dom said, he's doing this the best stretch of his career. And it's been a career full of unbelievable stretches and, and great hockey. So, so I feel like we can just leave it at that. Conor McDavid still doing Connor McDavid stuff. Everyone should be talking about it more. Okay. It's, it's on us as media members too. Gas up Connor McDavid, NHLPR if you're listening to this, don't bury Connor McDavid's 20 game point streak. It's important. We want it at the top.

[Sean Gentile]

Just put the Oilers on hbo. Everything, everything else will fall into place.

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, a couple final questions for Dom and Sean before we wrap the show.

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[Haley Salvian]

As someone who's going to Milan to.

[Sean Gentile]

Cover the Women's Olympic tournament, congratulations on all your success. Yes, yes, yes.

[Haley Salvian]

Yeah, I'm really excited about it. If you would have let me finish, you'd hear that I'm in agony. Every countdown, every timeline I'm provided I think is rude. I take it personally. I think it's offensive. I don't need to know when my flight is. I don't need to know when the tournament starts. I'm stressed out.

[Sean Gentile]

Good. Post about it on Facebook like last.

[Dom Loose Chish]

You sound like an arena construction worker.

[Sean Gentile]

Oh my God. The, the, the, the, the. The only people under more stress than Haley Salvion right now. Good God.

[Haley Salvian]

Are the poor guys trying to build out the locker room in Milano Cortina. Yeah, but I do have a timeline. I was going somewhere. I wasn't just trying to, you know, talk about how stressed out I am all the time. We're about three weeks until the NHL's Olympic break. I don't know if anyone's noticed this. I certainly didn't, but Sean Gentile did because he's in Washington. He's working on some stuff. He's in a nondescript Marriott. Don't. I'm not gonna dox you like a Docs Dom on Tuesday night.

[Sean Gentile]

Courtyard.

[Haley Salvian]

I'm always, I'm always center on rink three. But the schedule for some teams though, Washington, Capital specifically, is about to get crazy.

[Sean Gentile]

Well, the thing is, here's what I'll say too. It's not just that it's the Capitals in the sense that I was talking to people on the Capitals yesterday about it, but it's not, it's not them specific. This is every team. They're the. The Capitals have played 47 games, but more than 20 teams have played fewer. So this is an issue that's facing every team in the league. But starting tonight, this is Caps. This is Caps Sharks. So I get to see celebrity for the first time in a little bit. Very fun.

[Haley Salvian]

Wow.

[Sean Gentile]

Starting tonight, The Caps have six games in 10 days. 12 and 22 until the Olympic break. There's a six game road trip that's mixed in there and then they finish with four and six days. That's. That's incredible. And they're not complaining in any capacity. Right. This is just what they're faced with. I, I can't imagine those guys are thrilled about having a go on the road, but that's for, for that long in the middle of it. But you know, whatever things, things happen, it. It all comes out in the wash. And like I said, the Caps are, if anything, they have, they have fewer games than most to, to make up in this time. 12 and 12 games in 22 days, including a bunch of back to backs and a whole bunch of travel. That's what, that's the kind of stuff that every team is facing. And I feel like it just dawned on me in. Over, over the Last couple days like that is. That is incredible. So to have. And then to have a bunch of guys turn that into flights to Milan and a couple days off before getting their own tournament started is just, is just wild. And I think there's going to be repercussions for it. Like you hope. You hope.

[Haley Salvian]

We're already seeing some injuries like you guys talked about. Braden Point. I, you know, injuries happen regardless of strength of schedule stuff. But it's been happening on the women's side too. There's been like a lot of conversations with coaches, players, people in the game about how much hockey is being jammed in and the women's schedule specifically. Don't. They don't play as much in the pwhl like their schedule or their seasons tighter. But they had rivalry series and there's college games and there's all these different games and training environments. That's just like a lot of hockey this year. And I think it's just the first time we've been reminded of in a.

[Sean Gentile]

Crazy gear gets and as it relates to the NHL too, I think aside not even we'll take the injury issue out of the equation. If you're a team that has a bad week and you, and you and you struggle for seven or eight days, you know, if you don't have your best game that that's five games, right? So you, you are, you are punished pretty dramatically for having, for having a bad six or seven or eight days in a way that, in a way that you typically aren't.

[Haley Salvian]

Okay, I wanted to ask one question of you guys. Rapid fire, please, to wrap the show.

[Sean Gentile]

Sean, if it's just one question, it can't be rapid fire.

[Haley Salvian]

Keep it tight, keep it tight. You know. Okay, we've got timelines. I have a meeting at 10. I have an Olympics meeting at 10. You know. Okay, I'm sorry. Which team is more likely to actually make the playoffs? The Buffalo Sabers or the Seattle Kraken?

[Sean Gentile]

Buffalo. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Narayah Samuelson. Manoris Norrison. It's, it's, it's got, it's got to be them. They're. They're underline. That's a more talent. It's a more talented. How many more? How they have. How many high end players would you say they have? Two. Two and a half.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Two more than the Kraken.

[Sean Gentile]

It's, it's more than zero because that's what the Kraken got. I think, I think they're, they have, they have the high end in a way that Seattle doesn't they have the 5 on 5 play in a way that Seattle doesn't. I'm somewhat nervous about the amount of teams that are in the chase in the Eastern Conference. That's maybe a tick in the Kraken column, but I'm going Buffalo all day here, baby.

[Dom Loose Chish]

I have. I don't think people realize how hard Seattle's upcoming schedule is. I'm not sure about the actual concentration of games, but the teams they play, it's the second toughest in the league, so that should be the time for the Kraken to come back down to earth. But they. They keep winning. I. I watched the game on, I think Saturday against Carolina, and I think the Kraken had the puck for roughly five seconds. So that was interesting. Three, two, loss. As is classic for Kraken games this year, who is the best player on the Kraken and where would they rank on the Sabres? Ooh.

[Sean Gentile]

Where would Jared McCann race on.

[Haley Salvian]

The still Jared McCann in 2026. Is that their best player?

[Dom Loose Chish]

I. I think so. And I would take Tage over him. I would take Tuck over him. I would take Josh Doane over him with the way he's playing. And I'd obviously take darling Sabres.

[Haley Salvian]

He would be more properly lined up.

[Sean Gentile]

Yeah.

[Haley Salvian]

And the depth chart is what?

[Sean Gentile]

Of course. And of course you would take Narius Norrison over him.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Oh, yeah, naturally.

[Haley Salvian]

Well, oh, sure.

[Sean Gentile]

Philip Grubauer is their best player.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Philip Grubauer. I feel like he should have saved this for the Olympics because imagine Grubauer in this at this level. Dry Seidel, cider Paterka. That is upset city. And that would have been fun. And I feel like he might turn into a pumpkin when it matters most to him.

[Sean Gentile]

You think? Wow, you're really stepping out on a limb there, brother.

[Haley Salvian]

So mean. I didn't think you guys were going to be so mean to the Kraken.

[Dom Loose Chish]

I.

[Haley Salvian]

Know Dom had clearly not a.

[Sean Gentile]

Power rankings reader who's hosting the show today. Yes, it's her little space to make fun of the Kraken every week.

[Haley Salvian]

It's mean.

[Dom Loose Chish]

I want to apologize to crack the nation. I do. Because they think I hate this team and I don't want to think about them at all.

[Sean Gentile]

They're randomly successful power play and like one of their goal 10 one of their goaltenders always seems like has been on at one point or another over the course of this. Yeah, good for them, right? Good for you guys. It all counts.

[Haley Salvian]

All right, that's enough.

[Sean Gentile]

All right.

[Haley Salvian]

That was mean. 10 games on the NHL schedule tonight including Toronto vs. Vegas Leafs looking to get back into a playoff position playing Mitch Marner for the first time since he left town. Not feeling like home in Vegas yet, guys. Sad. It's sad. I feel. I feel sad.

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[Dom Loose Chish]

I felt so bad for Mitch's own decisions.

[Haley Salvian]

I don't really like here it is.

[Sean Gentile]

The consequences of my actions.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Oh man, I can't play video games with my friends. This sucks.

[Haley Salvian]

I feel like I didn't realize that he wasn't playing with Jack Eichel anymore. And that just speaks to me. Not paying attention to Mitch Marner or the Vegas Golden Knights. I'll own that. I don't care.

[Dom Loose Chish]

I wasn't interested to playmaking guys. I did have optimism that Eichel, who has had some goal scoring prowess in the past has been a shooter might find that form with Marner.

[Sean Gentile]

I kind of thought that was going to work too. I thought that's what we're going to see. Yeah, me too.

[Haley Salvian]

I thought, I thought it had been until recently.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Mitch Marner is manning his own line. He's playing center. For some reason he's not good at face offs. The line when he's playing center they are not controlling play. It's. He has been really good defensively. I think part of that is because he is not getting the matchups. Eichel is. But it is definitely a lower offensive output than he is used to, which I think is notable.

[Haley Salvian]

Well, so Auston Matthews was like out and about like Greenwood Ranks and like out in the East End. Very safe. Walking around his city seems nice, pleasant. Anyways.

[Sean Gentile]

For Mitch he's locked in the house in Summerlin or wherever, wherever he's living. Poor guy.

[Haley Salvian]

I just think if any other player came out and said like this new city that I moved to, that's really far from home after playing somewhere for a long time and I'm having a tough adjustment. If like literally any other dude said that, people be like, I get it. He's just a boy. He's a first time dad. He's adjusting to life. But Mitch Marner says it and everyone's just like, I don't care. I don't feel bad for you. Everyone was poo pooing on Mitch.

[Sean Gentile]

Our lives are the same.

[Haley Salvian]

Mark Scheifele moved to Arizona. Arizona, Utah. And was like, yeah, it's a bit of a tough adjustment but we'll get there. Everyone be like, you're right, Mark Scheifele, you will. And everyone doesn't want to hear it from Mitch Marner.

[Sean Gentile]

Our lives. Our lives are the Our lives are the sum of our choices. To quote yeah, possible the final reckoning.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Maybe he should take up hiking.

[Haley Salvian]

That was shocking. I was like, what do you mean? Why did you tell Jonas that? Take away God. Did Jonas ask him, hey, have you gone in any nice hikes? And he's like, no, I hate to hike.

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[Sean Gentile]

Horrendous.

[Haley Salvian]

I. I couldn't get through the rest of the story. It was. I couldn't. I couldn't handle it. Anyways, this was the segment where I admit to everyone that I don't pay attention and I don't read or consume anything. So I will be back next week. Thanks everyone for listening to this episode. I'm about to get fired from the podcast. Prospect Boys have the next show tomorrow. Sean and I will return next Thursday if I haven't been canned. Thanks for doing this, Dom. We appreciate you.

[Dom Loose Chish]

Anytime.

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