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I'm not.
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Of course he did.
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Right Santa?
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You know my elf Drew Ski here.
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He handles the Nice elf. I'm six' three.
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This is the athletic hockey show.
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What up? What up? It's the Athletic Hockey show for Wednesday, December 10th. I am Sean Gentili. I am here with Sean McIndu and Frankie Corretto. Boys, how are we doing? And which of us has the most punchable face on the podcast? I. We can. That's me. It's me. We know.
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That's. That's what I'm dying to know. And I don't even think it's just our pod. Like, I think we go right across the whole slate of hockey podcasts at the Athletic. We include, include the leaf report, the prospects, guys like, we need to know. If you listen to our pod, please tweet at us, tag us, and tell us who has the most punchable face across the board. I'm curious to see who it is.
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I can't wait. I can't wait to find out who's.
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Who'S McAdoo's personal thick. You have to, you have to pick.
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One boy out of anyone.
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Let me guess, you know, the, the.
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Prospects guys are going to get some votes.
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That's a three. That's a three way tie because it's really four. If you include Peters, it's going to.
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C
Be like the NHL poll. It's just, it's going to be like it's a punchable face, but it's also just the guy you want to punch. So it's going to be whoever said something mean about your favorite team most recently.
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Oh, I know who it is. Right away. If you could get like, you know, the, the locator on where all the tweets would come from. Corey Promman in Montreal for saying that Lane Hudson has average puck skills and average skating and average compete.
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Do you think they're ever going to forget about that?
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I don't think so.
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Are they upset by that?
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I don't know.
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Couldn't tell.
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I didn't I was by the fact.
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That they show up in my comment section.
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Yeah, it's like I wrote it. I wrote a story about color on color jersey matchups and it somehow turns into, you know, a relitigation of Lane Hudson's puck skills.
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You're guilty by association. See, sometimes that happens at TSN where the odog will say something on overdrive and it's, you know, opinionated and it's harsh and we all got to wear the brunt of that.
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It's a company.
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It's a company wide problem.
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Or Craig will do his SportsCenter hit where he puts someone into the. What is it, the roast house or something? Just roast a team. It's like we show up to morning skate the next day or the next week or like. I remember what your coworker said about us. Oh, well, yeah, A good one.
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I really recommend is to try to have the same first name as somebody else at the company because that one people really pay a lot of attention to detail and they definitely don't get mad because somebody with the same name as you said something two years ago.
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Try being, try being one of several pasty white dudes with the first name. Sean working at the Athletic, especially a few years ago when there was eight or nine of us, there's, there's no differentiation. We're all, we're all the same. Yeah, boys. I'm just glad the play out there that the player poll actually dropped because even hearing about it so much in the Athletic slack and it's all, it's just been a constant kind of topic of conversation internally because that thing is a lot of work. It takes a whole lot of time for, for the beat writers to, you know, collect all the various player responses that they need. I think we got to about 120this year, which is, which is wild. It's always, it's always a good thing to look at. It's always a fun thing to look at in the first batch of responses dropped yesterday. And of course we're starting with Punchbowl face because that's the one that they mentioned on the TNT broadcast. That's the one that gets a lot of the, a lot of the attention. Congratulations to Nick Cousins who is at least a back to back champ there. I think he might be, I think he might be a 3 Peter decisive win for him in that category. Say he's, he's at 24%. That's a solid, a solid five ahead of Marchand and Marshand's nine ahead of everybody else. So I, I'd call it a two man race, but it's kind of, it's kind of Cousins. A lot of the time it's.
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And you know what's crazy? This is nothing new for Nick Cousins. Like I think I told you guys this last year, we're the same age and we played together or against each other growing up and he always had the most punchable face, even when there was a bird cage shielding it. But nine year old Nick Cousins, nine year old Nick Cousins was a rat. Ten year old Nick Cousins was a rat. Every single year he's been a rat. For better or worse. Like I get it but the thing that I found about, the thing that I found funny about this is some of the quotes from the players who voted on this. And this is like the ultimate. I hate this guy so much I'm not even going to acknowledge his existence. I don't even know if he's in the league anymore. One player said, you know he's in the league.
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Something tells me that they know that he's still in the league.
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The deep disdain you have for a guy who's clearly a fourth liner to say that. Nah, don't even know if he's in the league anymore. Like he would have, he would have said some stuff to whoever that player is and got under his skin multiple times. And definitely personal stuff which if you have the most punchable face, you are getting personal on the ice for sure.
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And it's, it's tough to be the most punchable with like eight minutes of ice time a night. Like Marchand, you could understand. Matthew Kachuk, you could understand. I, Brady Kachuk's got to be furious. I know he missed time but I mean he got one vote in the entire league. Nick Cousins just, just, just taking all of the punchableness on his, on his own. I mean his, his punchable per 60 has got to be insanely off the chart because the guy barely plays the league.
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That's actually a new, that, that's a new tab on evolving hockey. Actually. Punchable punches to the face per 60.
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Money puck's got like a little punch ability. It's a graph where it's the player's face and the eyes get like blacker as based on how much it's fun.
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It's funny to see how there's like some subtle differences between, you know, evolving hockey and natural stat trick and money puck on, on, on punch. Like they haven't quite figured it out. They can't all get on the same page. You'll See some different rates depending on.
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If you looked up from your spreadsheets, nerds, you would know who was most punchable.
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Exactly. Don't you guys find some of the quotes on this pretty fascinating what certain players say about certain things? Here's the one that kind of jumped off the page at me as well is Brandt Clark, who's a young puck moving defenseman who's just kind of got that, I don't know, like there's a look that young players have where it's not deer in headlights, but you could tell everything's kind of new and you're really working hard to kind of make a name for yourself. And the quote for him is everyone hates him and wants to punch him in the face. One player said. And I'm like, man, in such a short period of time, a young puck moving D man who I don't really see as a rat has got this reputation that everyone hates you and you know the guy like multiple people. If someone's saying that multiple people have gone up to him on the ice and said, dude, by the way, everyone hates you, including your teammates. Which is the worst possible thing that you could hear from anyone. When you hear that, you're like, your heart sinks a bit because part of you dies and you're like, he might like, I think that guy's friends with someone on my team in my room. And I'm like, it could be true. Like it honestly could be true. And you, you just, you go back to the bench and you start thinking about, you're like, is it eh, maybe.
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Did they, did they pull head coaches? And, and was Jim Hiller allowed to vote for Brant Clark himself? Because based on how he uses Brant Clark, I, I feel like there might be some kind of, there'll be some kind of personal, personal issue going on there.
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Good player though.
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How about, how about Joel Erickson EK getting votes, a bunch of votes from his own teammates?
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I was not expecting to see Joel Erickson Ek on that list.
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I was shocked.
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Like that's, that's like a classic case of we see it on a night to night basis and we talk on the bench, in the room and we're like, man, I would hate to play against that guy. And sure enough, I guess guys do hate to play against him. He's just a good two way centerman. That's what he is.
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He also like a very like almost stereotypical like stone faced Swedish player. He's too like, he's like some super emotional dude. Like he's, he seems like he Seems like he's pretty, he's pretty mild.
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I'm happy you brought the up the fact that he's Swedish though, because like when I, I played a year in Sweden and when I played there, I kid you not, it was like rugby on ice. The amount of like clutching and grabbing and guys doing like weird stuff. Like in Sweden, they, you know, I'll go out and say it. I don't, I don't care. I don't have to answer to anyone. In Sweden, they dive a lot and when they get hit, it's like the end of the world. I'm not saying Eric Sinek is like that. He's not. He plays a, like, he plays a pretty honest game. But like the rugby on ice component, I could definitely see that, you know, translating from SHL hockey to NHL hockey and that would make him annoying. Thus punchable. Wow.
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Frankie making a bid for the punchable face. Votes from Sweden. Yeah, in the lobby.
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We're huge. And we're huge in Sweden too. So yeah, we're expecting influx of votes there. Air Snack was the only Euro player to show up on the, on the list, actually. I take that back. Stutz was there.
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Yeah. Zadorov was there too. He was really low.
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Did I, did I, did I scroll over him? Yeah, it's, it tilted, it tilted towards Canadian and North American players though, let's say. And right in rightfully so.
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Yeah.
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The other big category I wanted to get into is of course the where does Connor McDavid end up three years from now thing. You know, you look at it initially and you see the Oiler is at the top of the list.
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And you see like, no, super close second place. Right. Like it's, it's, it's largely, it's largely a bunch of teams that are splitting up the rest of that vote and you think maybe it's not that big of a deal. I think if you frame it as 44% of the, of the players that were polled think he's going to end up somewhere else. I think that's when it gets a little bit more interesting. I think that's the way to frame it. You have barely a majority of the 120 players pulled here think that he's going to be in Edmonton past, past the three year mark, which is a little, a little bit interesting to me.
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I found this fascinating because, like, if you're a player around the league, you're so deeply entrenched in what you're doing every day and you're worried about yourself, but you have A pulse on, you know, what's going on. And you would have a pretty good pulse on the Oilers because they're a team that gets talked about a lot. McDavid plays there. They've gone to two straight Stanley Cup Finals, and from playing against them, you would have a feeling whether, like, this is a team that McDavid could see himself winning with down the road. And so that, you know, 56.4, whatever it is, percent of players that were polled think that McDavid will stick around in three years. That bodes really well for the Oilers. I, like, I personally, if. If I were to guess what that number was going to be like, I would have said high 30s, low 40s, maybe. But, I mean, that's. That's got to be a pretty encouraging sign if you're an Oilers fan, that, like, his peers think for the most part, he's not really going anywhere.
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He's. It's. It's encouraging. Until you scroll down, you see the Sidney Crosby poll, where it's.
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What was it?
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High 80s, something like that?
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About 70. About 75%.
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Yeah. Okay.
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All right.
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I mean, even that. That's, you know, pretty high number of players going, no, he's not going anywhere.
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So he's not.
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It's. It was. I'll tell you that the two things I found fascinating, the one is like. Like, Sean, you mentioned.
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Almost 50% of the league thinks he's going somewhere, but nobody can agree on where. And in fact, the. The number one team on the list at 10% is the Maple Leafs, which is. That's just kind of like the default. He's going to go somewhere, but I don't really know. So I'm just going to name a big market team. You know, the Rangers kind of got some of that, too. There doesn't seem to be any sort of consensus on where it would be versus Crosby, where there's, you know, pretty much two teams. The other thing I gotta say on those two is I want to give a shout out to the one player. And I know it's anonymous. I know I'm not supposed to know whether it was the same player who gave both votes, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was one guy who didn't enjoy being asked this question because there was one vote each for Sidney Crosby going to Philadelphia and Connor McDavid going to Calgary.
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Guys, you're allowed to just say no to the poll. You can just. You can just tell the writer to get lost.
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You don't have to intentionally Everyone hates doing this. Like I'm gonna pull back, I'm gonna pull back the curtain on this a little bit. This is one of the worst things that have to do and I am so glad that I don't have to get involved with this. Asking dudes to do this sucks and, and it sucks for us and it, and to some degree it, it sucks for them. So we did. What are these questions?
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What's the, what's the steps that it would take for Connor McDavid to be a Calgary Flame?
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I don't even, like, there's no disrespect to Calgary. I, I don't even think there's a step possible. Like I, I really don't like.
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If 31 teams folded and Calgary was the only one left. Is that a possibility or is he in the khl?
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He's in, he's in the K. It.
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Depends how much Gazprom is willing to pay him to go to the khl.
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But okay, forgetting about Calgary, right, there's teams that got like not significant percentage of the vote, but like the Utah mammoth got 1.8%. The Anaheim ducks got 1.8%. I'm sorry, but there's no world where that's happening either.
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Those are just blow off answers, man.
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Those are. It's, it's crazy because if you go Edmonton, Toronto, New York, Chicago, Vegas, Tampa, you're like, okay, all reasonable. But then I mean.
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It just feels like there's some. Where there's, there's really no chance. Just like Crosby's got three possibles, three possibles like Pittsburgh, Colorado, Montreal, McDavid at the most could have five realistically and even that might be too much.
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I was surprised Vegas was as low as they were. Vegas basically got five votes out of the 100 plus players. I thought if, if anybody, I maybe would have picked them to be number one on the non edmonton list. Just because they go after everybody, they always find a way to make it happen. Players seem to want to play there.
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So I would have thought that would have been the one, but apparently not a ton of players.
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Tampa's low.
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I think Tampa's too low.
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Yep.
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Yeah. No, no capture votes, no future assets to make it happen. And yet.
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Tampa's too low.
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It's Florida, it's Tampa, it's John Cooper.
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It's interesting though, that stuff.
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I. There's. We got five or six bullets for the, for the Florida teams combined. That's low.
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Yeah, you're right. And so if you think about Florida, they have stockpiled players from the 242014 draft. Right. Like, they have Ekblad, Reinhardt, Bennett. They were all in the same draft, 2014. Am I right there? I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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Yep.
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And so McDavid was the 2015 draft. If you had McDavid and Eichel playing together in Vegas, like, there would be Vegas stockpiling 2015 players, but it wouldn't just stop there. Like, Mitch Martin, a 2015 player. Noah Hannifin was a 2015 player. Like, you would have basically somewhat of a copy of what the Panthers did with the 2014 draft happening with the 2015 draft in Vegas, which, I mean, you would own the top 10 of that draft, which was, refresh my memory, one of the best drafts we've seen in a long, long time. Yeah, that would be. That would be wild to see that come to fruition.
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McDavid to Vegas and Draisaitl to Florida. That's crazy that Frankie's reporting this.
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Don't even go there, man. I don't need Oiler fans.
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D
Mandatory credit Frankie Credo, tsn. He doesn't actually work for the, for the Athletic Hockey Show. Yeah.
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C
You can just generally credit TSN in general. It's fine.
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D
There's more. There's more stuff from the poll on the, on the site. And there's also more coming. These. There are a ton of questions that we have asked. We should also say, by the way, that the polling timeline, it started in September. Like, these questions, you know, they've been. We've been amassing the responses.
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Over the course of the last couple months. So things change. You know, we've seen. How many times have we swung back and forth on the Oilers alone this season? So that's worth. That's worth pointing out. And it's also worth saying that there's more coming. There's more on the site that we haven't discussed. It's always fun, man. It's always. It's. It's always really enlightening.
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I just want to. I just want to poke a little needle into DGB before we go to break. No. And the one I was going to ask about, does state income tax actually matter? Yes or no.
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C
Oh, this is it.
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Yes or no.
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He's going to keep arguing that it actually does.
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And the response is 117 responses. Yes, 86.3%.
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How do you feel, my man?
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C
So if people listen to my other show on Park Soup, we got into, like, a downright argument yesterday, which we don't often do because, look.
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Five years ago I was one of the first where I wrote, this is an overblown issue. It doesn't matter. Stop talking about it. And on down the line. I'm at the point now where I'm willing to say, I think I was wrong.
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E
Wow.
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C
I think I was wrong. Not that it, you know, not that it's the be all and end all. Not that there's some massive advantage for. For teams. Not that it. It can't be countered by other things and that other markets have to offer. And I still, I don't believe the league should do anything because I don't think the league can do anything. But I was surprised at how overwhelming the majority was on this one. I don't know that you could get 85% of NHL players to agree on whether ice is cold.
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Dude. On which hotel they like to stay at. Like, exactly. But here's. Here's. Here. Here's the. The crazy thing about it, like, they. They all seem to agree that it matters for them. And it's hard to argue, man. Like, they're the ones that are going through it. They're the ones that have to work with their financial advisors on doing all these things. So given the option, like, as long as the team's good or semi good, they're taking that option. Like, it kind of all the speculation around, does it actually matter? No, it does matter.
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And the fact that not only that the number was so overwhelming, but some of the quotes where the players are basically saying, like, look, come on, you'd have to be an idiot not to think.
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About it.
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Although, one thing to bring it back. Okay, so if no tax states have such an advantage, why do we think Connor McDavid is. Edmonton, Toronto, New York are the top three options? Like, it just feels a little.
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D
They should be.
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Well, McDavid will always make up for it with, like, CIBC and whatever else he wants to sink his time into. But, I mean, the headline for this is spoiler alert. Guys who make a lot of money care about retaining a lot of money. That's the bottom line.
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C
Don't like taxes.
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D
Oh, okay, that's.
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C
That's interesting. That's. That's news.
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E
Yeah.
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D
Frankie, you should have brought out your little adding machine and your. Your green visor and done the. Done the accountant bed. Frankie, the accountant, he's back in the house.
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E
Dude, the amount of things that I used to use my calculator on my phone for, like, is astonishing. All the teachers that said, you're not going to be able to carry a calculator with you, wherever you go for the rest of your life.
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D
Liars.
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Where you at now? Because I'm using it and I'm loving it.
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D
You hear that, Mr. Walker, my algebra teacher.
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We had Mr. Dimitri, I think he was Russian. He wrote the textbook that we were working out of.
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D
That's a dagger.
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He wrote the textbook. His name was in the textbook. Like, yeah, this guy, I guess, knows what he's doing.
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Yeah, well, like, like Frankie's. You kind of, you kind of said there's some, there's some banger quotes about the tax situation. There's some good stuff about punchable faces and whatever else. Lots of, lots of posts on the site and there's. And there's more coming. So enjoy the player poll stuff.
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And we'll be right back. We're gonna talk about some games. It was a weird. I know we don't typically go super in on stuff that happened last night, but it was a weird. It was a weird night. So we're gonna hit on that. Our buddy Connor McDavid might figure into the conversation as well. Stick around.
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All right, we're back, fellas. Bizarre night of games last night. We saw four game time goals in the last 15 seconds. Regulate regulation two within the last two seconds. The last time that happened was October 8th, 29,009.
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We'll start in Pittsburgh because the goal was scored by a player, Frankie, who you've. You've watched a good bit and gassed up at certain points on the show. Beckett Seneca score. Scored a shorty with 0.1 seconds left in Anaheim Pittsburgh, which. That one of those things that just seems like it's physically not. Not possible. And yet, and yet here we are.
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E
The thing that makes it even more crazy is, is the puck not in the puck is in Anaheim zone or it's in Pittsburgh zone. Coming up ice with like 10 seconds to go was like. It was really bizarre how that whole play kind of transpired.
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D
Never seen anything like it.
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E
Yeah, really crazy. And Beckett Seneca, like we, we talked a lot about Matthew Schaefer, rightfully so. We've talked a lot about Yvonne Demidoff at times this year when it comes to the ro. Like Beckett Seneca, you wake up today, this guy leads all rookies in points and he's playing almost 17 minutes a night. You know, we just did the world Junior show. There's no chance this guy's going. And they didn't even take him last year. Like he, he was omitted from the team. Think about how stupid that looks today. I don't know if we're allowed to say that word, J.D. you might have to do your. Your handiwork there.
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D
Yeah, I don't know.
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E
But that's what it is. That's what it is. It's. It's crazy that, that we're in that situation and these high flying Anaheim Ducks, the cardiac kids, if you want to call them that, like are. Are almost being led by this, this youngster who could play in that tournament who's almost a point per game. Pretty crazy stuff. Man, what a player.
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D
Though first rookie to 10 goals, too. Like, I would not have if you asked a day ago or two days ago, who's. Who's going to hit that mark first. I think you'd get people saying, you know, whatever. Maybe not Schaefer, but. But I did Demidov. Like, I don't think. I don't think people. I don't think people would drop Seneca necessarily.
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E
Well, Demidoff is more playmaker. Schaefer's defenseman, Kapanen's got nine. Very quietly, the young rookie in Montreal who, by the way, like, they're in crisis mode right now. I don't know if you guys saw this after the game. They lose 61 to Tampa. The game finished at. Was the game finish at 9:45, let's say at 10:22. They came out with a press release saying they've called up Owen Beck, Adam Angstrom and Jacob Fowler, the goalie of the future. For them, who really should not be getting called up at this point in his career. Like, they obviously want him to play in the minors for a reason, but they can't get a save at all. Like, in games that are close. Forget about it. Montreal can't even. Can't even get there right now where Dovish can't make a save, Montebo can't make a save. And now they're essentially expediting this kid who is this not what happened in the past, like with Patrick Wa. Hey, you're right into the fire. Carrie Price, go ahead. You're right into the fire. Now the next quote unquote goalie of the future. You're right into the fire. It's pretty crazy that they've gotten to this point.
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C
Did work out pretty good for those two guys. So, yeah, that was all right. Hopefully he's not the next Steve. Penny for you, my fellow olds out there.
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D
But yeah, they're. They're forcing. They're forcing the issue. Like poor Jacob Fowler. It's like, well, where could. Patrick Juan, Carrie Price. Okay, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
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E
Come be the savior for us. That typically is not a great situation for a young goalie to be in, but desperate times, man, it feels like it's crisis mode.
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C
Do you think? How does that play in. In a room? Does that. Is that the wake up call? Is that, you know, are they happy that reinforcements are coming or is it like, oh, okay, so we're not doing the job, so they're going to bring a bunch of kids in to.
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E
Wow. Yeah, that. I think that's that's my take on it is like, and I've kind of seen that situation before where.
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You'Re almost saying like the coach is saying young guys are coming like whether you guys like it or not and they're going to get opportunities and if they play well enough, there's jobs that are on the line like that. And that's the thing that makes it the most, I guess like grabbing is that your job could be not yours. If these guys play well, that, that they're going to call up and give the opportunities to. So that's the big wake up call. Like, you know, as much as it's a team sport, no one wants to lose their job, so you should be willing to do a little bit more. Now.
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D
One of the other last minute games or last, last second games we saw Pavlodor Fayev scores to send Vegas Isles to overtime. I was bounced back. Bo Horvat scored two more.
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You know, he's one of those players or he's, he's not, he's not going to make the Olympic team. But I think the way he's played so far this season, you know, it's, it's an indicator of how, of what his top and Frank, he's, he's a guy who you've, who you've talked about at length before too. I love Bon. I know you're, you're, you're a big bow guy. Is this, is this gratifying for you to see? Because it seems like it's been, you know, an odd, an odd couple years for him and he's just putting together now though.
- [32:27]
E
No, I'm, I'm, I'm really happy for Bo for a couple reasons. The Vancouver situation plays into it for me. Like the way that his contract and his dealings were not necessarily prioritized there where, you know, he was the captain of the team, does everything the right way. Like no one's ever going to say a bad word about the guy. And it was like, actually you're not high on our priority list, so we'll, we'll move you. And then he goes to the island and listen, for a long time, the island, the Islanders have been a call it what it is. It's been a tough kind of stale watch and they're not the case this year. And Schaefer comes in there and there's a different voice and gm and now it's like the Islanders are fun to watch. Bo is playing great. Like he's kind of popped offensively more than he has in Quite some time, maybe ever. So, yeah, it's great to see Bo doing what he's doing. It kind of just reaffirms that, like, no, this guy was a really good two way player and has always kind of flown under the radar. But now, you know, the fact that he's, he's kind of popping off, it's. It's good. Like, I, I'm really happy for him.
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D
Emil Heinemann producing on that top line too. And he's, he's a player who, you know, we saw a good bit of in Montreal. I know Arpin was, you know, all over him down the stretch and made a point to say whenever he heads back to the aisles in that. In the Dobson trade, like, this is a potentially very useful player. And he's, and he's shown as much. He's like, he's. He's settled in on a, on a line with. On a line with Warvat. He's got, he's second on the team. He's got, he's got 10 goals.
- [34:03]
E
Well, he's, he's cooled off a little bit recently, but he was on a. Really hot. Like his, his shooting percentage at one point was like 30%. Like, it was, it was really bloated. But I'll say this, like, he has done well because there were times last year where they gave him opportunities on the first line and the second line and anytime he got elevated, it just never worked for him. Like, he just couldn't, he couldn't play in that elevated role and he'd go back down and he'd have his sort of, you know, success. Modest, modest success. But now he's getting the opportunity and he's making the most of it, which is not always an easy thing to do, man. Like, there's pressure, there's nerves. You're like, I can't mess this up. I'm playing with good players now. So he's. Yeah, he's done much better this time around than, than last time.
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C
Let me ask this on the Islanders because I saw a. I got one of those lists a few days ago. The, the first coach fired lists and it still had Patrick wa. Way up near the top, which I get because it was a GM who didn't, you know, when the GM didn't hire the coach, you're always kind of wondering when that shoe might drop. But do we need to start talking about Patrick Waugh as a Jack Adams, oh boy candidate right now? Given that none of us thought the Islanders were going to be doing what they were doing and and not only is it. Are they winning, but we're seeing, you know, Matthew Shaffer's playing out of his mind. We're seeing guys like Bo Horva have the years that you've been waiting for them to have that, that maybe hadn't been there before. Like, is. Is Patrick Waugh. Are we going to get saved by WA chapter 2 out of this because he wins the Jack Adams for the New York Islanders.
- [35:41]
E
He deserves some recognition. Marco Sturm deserves recognition. Like Boston's tied for first right now with Tampa. John Cooper, you know, considering all the injuries that they've had, they had a big win last night, 6 1. He deserves a little love for this. I mean, if you keep going down. Dan Muse, Damien. Right. Like, they're, they're. Pittsburgh's done really well, considering where we all thought they were going to be.
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D
Talking like the, the Fires are in a playoff spot today.
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C
Like, it's a deep. Joel, get some.
- [36:12]
E
Quinville's the one that's like, people don't want to hear it. But listen, he's allowed back in the league and he's done well with Anaheim. So, I mean, there's something to be said for what he's done in Anaheim this year, considering there's been some changes as far as the personnel on the team, for sure. But the way that team looks and plays last year compared to this year, it's not even, you're not even watching the same. You're not watching the same operation.
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D
Such a predictable, such a predictable thing too, with, with them. You know, you just, you knew. For all the, for, for all the back history and all the baggage and all the, all the things people rightfully focused on with Quenville, whenever he took that job. The undercurrent there was also like, this, is this from, in a strictly hockey standpoint, this is the right guy to coach this team right now. And just to see it bear out this way, it's just not. I couldn't be. I couldn't be less surprised by it.
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Boys. The ABs lost. They lost to the Nashville.
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C
Wait, I'm, I'm confused.
- [37:14]
D
That's there. I thought they weren't. I was on the impression that they weren't allowed.
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C
I just want to say I, I, if anyone out there who subscribes to the Red Light newsletter, which you should subscribe to, I called this.
- [37:25]
D
Many, many, many people do. I, I, I will, I'll, I'll come out and say it. People, people love the work that Macando and Myrtle are doing on that.
- [37:32]
C
It's really good now. It's, it's a lot of fun and if you like it, I'm, I'm glad you like it. And if you don't like it, it's, it's the other Sean who handles it. So it's, don't worry about it.
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D
I did it once.
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C
I, I, I had the. Because we could, we have a feature in that and it comes out on Tuesdays and it's like the games tonight and I had Nashville versus Colorado. I said, this is like last place almost against first place.
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I said, Nashville's going to win this game because this is the NHL and nothing makes sense. I think I had them winning in regulation. So, you know, Colorado did.
- [38:07]
D
You were, dude, you were eight seconds, you were eight seconds away from hitting on that. Makar tied it with eight seconds left. You were almost dead ass. Correct. Yeah.
- [38:17]
E
I hope you didn't have the Oilers winning because Evan Bouchard would have jammed you up in a big way there.
- [38:25]
C
There's somebody out there who's got a Sabers Predators parlay, and I just want to tell that person, nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear about your, your stupid parlays.
- [38:35]
E
No one.
- [38:36]
C
Congratulations on the new big screen TV or whatever you turned your $2 into.
- [38:41]
E
When, when the Oilers made the trade for Ekholm, one of the players they gave up was Reed Schaefer. The former first round Peck going to Nashville and now he's gotten called up. He's played, I believe, six games and he scores his second goal last night. He's only playing like eight to 10 minutes a night. But like, we're always talking about who does Nashville have coming up. Like, who are the young players? Like, do they have to move off guys? It's nice to see that, like one of their young guys that maybe has flown under the radar a little bit if you, you know, weren't privy to who was coming back in that trade, who's a former first round pack is now scoring at least a small sample size. But I'm happy that there's a little bit of that, that kind of youthful hope that you see in, you know, in Nashville.
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D
I'm just glad to have some other player that's worth talking about in any capacity. Like in say, like a power rans blurb. Like, we're trying to find stuff to do every week, Dom and I, and it's like, we can't, God bless Luke Evangelista. He's having a good season. But, like, we can't, we can't focus on that dude. Every, every single, every Single week. Yeah. Big. Big up. Big ups to your boy Evan Bouchard, though, in the Oilers. In the Oilers game.
- [39:50]
E
It just. It just looks when, when those things happen, players make mistakes. Like last night in the Sens game. Tyler Cleven goes back for a puck, he tries to make a play, gets picked off. One second later, it's in the back of the net. But when Cleven does it, it looks like more like he's digging in more. When Bouchard does it, it just looks so casual all the time. There's just an optic thing that it's. It's crazy to see, but it's happened quite a bit now. He's a hell of a player. He's a hell of a player. But these things happen and it looks so casual, you know.
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D
Else is a hell of a player. David.
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C
Yeah.
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D
Two goals in the third. He scores with two seconds left to send. Now on to that one to ot. That was the. That was the fourth of the four. You know, last second air quotes. Second goals that we saw. He's got five goals and three assists and is. In the three games he's played since we last spoke.
- [40:45]
E
He's got. He had six shots last night. He. For a guy who will never shoot the puck, like, shooting the puck is his third option. It seems like when he gets into, like, scoring areas. Last night he had six shots. He is so much more dangerous when he has a shot threat. And listen, it's never going to be like a top whatever, top five, top 10 shot in the NHL. But the guy scored 64 goals in this league before. Like, it's a better shot than maybe he even gives himself credit for. And so if he's willing to do that, that's an even more dangerous version of McDavid. And it feels like that's. That's more like the guy we saw the year that he scored 64.
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C
And Sean, you said since the last time we talked. Refresh my memory. Did one of us Trash Connor McDavid?
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D
I wouldn't say I trashed him.
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C
And I think somebody has.
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D
I think I. The Bear.
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C
Good luck to the rest of the NHL.
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D
McDavid's mad now because sufficiently motivated him.
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C
Miscellaneous.
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E
He's mad because we had the McKinnon McDavid conversation.
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C
That's right.
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D
Let go, Joker. I wanted to end with like a. With a quick little trivia game. We. We don't. We don't do this that often, but I. I thought this one was fun. Dallas beat Winnipeg 43. Their point streaks at 11 games. Also, like, from a point percentage standpoint, they're creeping up on the aves. They're. They're. I don't want to say that they're breathing down their necks necessarily, but the gap between those two is probably. Probably a little smaller. A little smaller than you would have guessed. Dallas. Well.
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Miko Rentman had three points, so he's got 60 in his first 50 with the Stars. This is an incred. An incredible fake stat courtesy of the. Of the NHL.
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10Th most by a player in their first 50 games with the franchise since 2005, 2006. There. There are nine players who've scored more points than he has in his first 50 games with his team. How many do you think we can Name of those? 9?
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E
So this is coming from a trade or just new team?
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C
So do like Crosby and Ovechkin. Would they qualify?
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D
They would.
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C
Rookies.
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E
Okay.
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D
Would they may or may not have.
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C
Okay.
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D
Most points through first 50 games at the franchise? McDavid is not on the list.
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C
I. I think. Okay, well, let me. Let me first give my first guess, which I think is.
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E
The.
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C
The only one that I'm completely sure on is Joe Thornton.
- [43:13]
D
Joe Thornton, number one, 74 points in his first 50 games.
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C
I think Crosby and Ovechkin are on the list because they both got to 100 points, I want to say, as a rookie. So that'd be about on pace.
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D
You have. You have one strike between the two of you because of Frankie's guess.
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E
Okay, do you want me to take. You want me to take another guess?
- [43:31]
D
Yeah, I'll, I'll give. I'll give it to Mac and dude, I'll.
- [43:35]
E
I'll.
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D
I'll be generous and not give you a strike here. Crosby not on the list. Oveshkin is. He has. He had 65 points in his first 50 games with the, with the Caps. So you've got two of nine.
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E
Is Malkin on the list?
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D
Malkin is not on the list.
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C
Which, which, which was a bit of.
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D
A surprise to me because I feel like he. He came out. He came out on fire.
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E
Brutal.
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C
Did Jack Eichel get there in Vegas?
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D
Jack Eichel did not get there in Vegas.
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E
Wow.
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D
Strikes. You guys. You guys blew this.
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C
My God, how many strikes do we get? This isn't a baseball podcast.
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D
You can get.
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C
We get.
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D
You can get. You can get 10 strikes. Just. I think it's like.
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C
It's not like strikes. It's like cross checks to the back when you're a defenseman in front of the net. Like you get the first eight, but the ninth one's getting called.
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E
So now I'm, I'm quite nervous because all the players that I'm thinking of, I don't think they are. That they're like.
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Austin Matthews.
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D
Not Austin Matthews. These don't have to be rookies.
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C
Yeah, see, I'm thinking through the rookies and I don't.
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They're not like.
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A
I'll give you.
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D
I'll give you a hint. There are no more rookies because Matthew.
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C
Barzell, I think, is the highest scoring rookie in the, you know, since the Crosby year. And he, I don't think would be there.
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E
What about Jake Gensel?
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D
No Gensel.
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E
No Gensel.
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C
Okay. I love questions like this because everybody is screaming.
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D
People are. People are losing their minds. Are this. No.
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C
Tavares. So furious. Artemi Panarin with the Rangers.
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D
Artemi Panarin, 71 points in 2019. 20 with the. With the Rangers. He is number three. So you have one. You have one, three.
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C
And then Matthew Kachuk in Florida.
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D
Matthew Tkachuk is 71 points with the Panthers in 22, 23. So he's tied with Panera. And you have the top. You have the top three.
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C
I would also like to cast a vote for Noth. Jonathan Huberdeau.
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D
That. That is number one is not Jonathan Huberdo.
- [45:40]
E
Yeah, yeah. You just keep going. I'm. I'm useless in this.
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C
Oh, man. I bet that that may have tapped me out.
- [45:49]
E
Michael Bunting. No, I'm just kidding.
- [45:53]
D
Like, furiously scrolling to find Bunting on the list.
- [45:55]
E
I'm just looking. I'm looking at names. I'm looking at names. Nothing is even, like, refreshing my memory right now at this point.
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C
It's tough because, I mean, it's. It's going to be trades or free agents.
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D
The ones still. The ones you haven't done yet are in the. Are in the first. There. It's 2010 or earlier. Would you. Would you just.
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C
2010 or earlier.
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D
Yes.
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C
Okay.
- [46:17]
E
Jeff Carter.
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D
Not Jeff Carter. We have. And I would say that certainly two of these guys are hall of Famers. There's a. There's a third that's probably questionable. And then one that's. That's not. That's. There's. And then two that aren't going to make it.
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C
Hall of Famers switch teams in, let's say, the first few years of the cap.
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D
Man, only one of them was a free agent, if I remember.
- [46:48]
E
I got no idea.
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D
Okay. Number four with 68 points.
- [46:53]
C
Hold on, hold on. Yeah. Okay. Heatley and. And Hosa. Probably both.
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D
That's right.
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C
Yeah. All right. Got traded for each other.
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D
All right. And then Peter Forsberg, Flyers no. 5. 06. People forget how good he was with the Flyers in. In his first. In his first season in Philly. He was. He. He was incredible.
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C
Would not have got that in a hundred years.
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D
A million. A million trillion years. And then the other one on the list, the final one on the list. Mark Savard, Bruins 06.07.
- [47:27]
E
I never would have got that.
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C
I was. I was actually. Well, I was thinking him, but I was thinking him with Atlanta, and you're right. He went to Boston. Had, like, the 90 point.
- [47:37]
D
Yep.
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C
Season. That's a good one.
- [47:40]
D
It's a good way to close out our time together. The three of us is with a trivia. A trivia contest that you do poorly on.
- [47:47]
E
No one wins poorly. Run poorly when we talk. No one wins.
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D
Frankie, you have a. You have a drive ahead of you today, my man.
- [47:57]
E
Yeah, buddy. I got to drive to Pittsburgh today. Lord help me. Hate it snowing.
- [48:01]
D
I'll see you Driving from Toronto to Pittsburgh. Couldn't be me. Never.
- [48:05]
C
Never heard of such a.
- [48:07]
D
Let's get dinner tonight or something, man.
- [48:09]
E
Okay. I'll let you know when I get in.
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C
Midnight.
- [48:12]
D
Yeah, I don't have any better to do.
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F
Okay.
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D
Drive safe, brother. Talk to you soon.
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E
Bye.
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C
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D
All right, there goes Frankie. Me and McAdoo will tell you what we've learned in a second here. But before that folks, a college football playoff bracket is set. Was a roller coaster season. We got the final 12 minus Notre Dame. Hehehe they're gonna fight it out to make January's national championship game the Audible, which is the athletics dedicated college football podcast and it's led by Bruce Feldman, Stuart Mandel and Ralph Russo. They're covering every blade of grass on the field. They got. They got you covered there. So in the run up to the cfp, tune in there. It's a great show. And again Notre Dame not involved. What a shame. What have we learned? McIndu?
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A
What have we learned?
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C
Sean? I learned I think I got to write a new article because about it was a few years ago now I got sick and tired of listening to people performatively pretend that they didn't understand how goalie fake outrage works.
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D
Fake outrage.
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C
Fake outrage. And to be clear, I don't if you're a fan and you don't get goalie interference. I understand read the article and and hopefully it'll help. But if you're like in the media or if you're somebody in the game, like just say the call went against you and you're mad. Apparently I gotta write a new one because now.
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I went from a week ago having never heard of this to now we're up to like three or four different teams complaining that nobody knows what a hand passes. Lindy Ruff the latest to say that. So I gotta do two things. I gotta write an article about what a hand pass is and before I do that, the other thing I gotta do is I gotta learn what a hand pass is Because I have no idea. But I gotta figure it out. And then I will write a piece where I act like I knew all along. I'll probably just get Chat GPT to explain it to me. It'll be fine.
- [51:52]
D
That's what I do now. Use Chat GPT for.
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C
It's where you pass your hands, where somebody's hand is on the ice and you pass it to another player. You can't do that. It's illegal. Unless you're the Oilers and you get away with it. Linda Russell.
- [52:04]
D
Like, are we just going to keep seeing this every. Every couple days, like, for the. For the rest of this? Like, is this. Is this one of those things where it truly turns into, like, an epidemic?
- [52:13]
C
Sort of, yeah. And then we're going to get weird.
- [52:15]
D
Shared psychosis where every single coach in the league decides that they care about it at the same time.
- [52:21]
C
Every fan's ears perked up. Right? Because this is the two things that fans. No fan ever says. I just want all the calls to go my team's way, and I'm gonna complain about any call that goes against me. Nobody would ever say that because it would be too honest. So instead we go. Nobody understands the rule, and I just want consistency. That's all I want. I've got no problem if all the calls go against my team, as long as it's consistent. You liar. You absolute liar. You want all the calls to go your team's way because you're a little baby. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna win the punchable face poll now.
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D
Great.
- [52:57]
C
You tricked me into. Into saying that. Now I'm gonna win.
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D
It's a battle between you and I. Who could imagine punching Frankie?
- [53:06]
C
I'm just gonna tell you in general, as a rule of thumb, if you got a choice between punching three guys and one of them is a former NHL defense, like former pro athlete, punch one of the other two guys taller.
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D
Than you'd think, too. Frankie. Corrado. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sean. I Learned that about 60% of the mashups on the NHL scout schedule can accommodate a color on color matchup.
- [53:31]
C
Really?
- [53:32]
D
I learned that from Brian.
- [53:33]
C
Did analytics on.
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D
I did not do analytics myself. I heard that from Brian Jennings, who's the chief branding officer for the league. Had a nice talk with him about the color on color situation in the league's plans for it moving forward. I think we can expect to see a few more games on the schedule.
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With color on color. It starts tonight, actually. We're getting Blackhawks versus Rangers, another red and blue game. We'll see what happens the rest of the season. But the push is on from the league, and it started, you know, or kind of continued this week at the Board of Governors meetings in Colorado. They want, they want to see this happen, and they want decision makers and stakeholders with the teams to know that this is something we want to happen. We're ready to accommodate it. Of course, the only thing that matters is to get both GMs signed off on it. And once that happens, you're free to watch, you know, all the, all the yellow on blue games that your heart could desire.
- [54:31]
C
And every GM is going, is this going to make my job more difficult? If yes, I vote no.
- [54:38]
D
If yes, I vote no.
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C
But, yeah, I just, I don't want to, I don't want to correct you here because you kind of corrected yourself. This didn't, this didn't start at the Board of Governors. It continued there. It started with you writing the article about it, and that's what started the ball rolling down the hill. That has now become this avalanche of. So if you're watching a game and you see color on color and you think it looks cool, Sean Gentile is the guy who made that happen.
- [55:06]
D
And if you think it looks bad, Sean McIndoo is the guy that made that happen. Probably the wreck your criticisms and complaints.
- [55:14]
C
All I want is consistency in the uniforms. That's all I want. You know, I'm just, I'm a rational, normal guy.
- [55:21]
D
That's the big problem with NHL officiating, is just, just make it consistent.
- [55:25]
C
As long as it was consistent, I'd never complain.
- [55:29]
D
Incredible. I can't, I can't believe people are still trying that one out. Now show some respect for yourselves. Stop saying stuff like that. Stop. We know, we know. The only thing you care about is whether your team wins or loses, and that's the way it should be.
- [55:42]
E
Yes.
- [55:45]
D
Make me sick. What are you doing the rest of the week, Sean? What's on the docket?
- [55:50]
C
I don't, I've got a piece that's going out, I think, think.
- [55:56]
Tomorrow. And then I've got a, I've got another going out at the end of, the end of things. But I, I, I took a look at a question that on the surface doesn't make a lot of sense, which is, who is the worst GM of all time to have their job for a long time with the team, which I define as five years or more.
- [56:15]
D
I was gonna say, man, that's a tough. That is a stacked field.
- [56:20]
C
There's, that's, it Right. Because there's a lot of bad GMs and some of them have certainly stuck around longer than the fans would have liked. But five years is a long time in the NHL. Even like, you know, some of the guys, the, the John Ferguson juniors and.
- [56:36]
D
Guys, honestly, I, I've been hanging out with you too much because he was the first person that came to me.
- [56:41]
C
He got about four years. He, he fell just short of the cutoff off. And I, I gotta tell as a Leaf fan, that felt like decades of that era. So the fact that that was only four years to get to five plus. And I mean some of these guys are plus plus. So anyways, that's, that's a list of 10 and of course it's a ranking. I can't, I can't do anything without ranking it. So you can feel free to, to. I, I was gonna say and get mad at. But no, you're gonna get to number one and go, oh yeah, of course.
- [57:12]
E
Yeah.
- [57:12]
D
And if you, and again, if you agree with it, Sean McIndo and if you disagree with the John Chantelia.
- [57:20]
All right, bud, we'll talk next week. You, me and Frankie are back. Tomorrow is Haley and I on the Thursday show reunited because I was out last week. Stay tuned to that. Have a great week and we'll talk.
- [57:35]
C
To you real soon.
- [57:36]
E
Foreign.
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B
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