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Sean McIndoo
What up? What up? It's the Athletic Hockey Show, Wednesday edition, where the true frozen frenzy was the friends we made along the way. Sean Gitilli here with Frankie Corrado and Sean McIndoo. All three of us watched all 16 games last night, right, boys? All of it.
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Sean Gitilli
Absolutely. I had my full and undivided attention.
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Frankie Corrado
I actually went to Walmart Old school, AHL style. I got 16 different screens, set them up in my living room, and I'm planning on returning 15 of them today. Well, before the 90 days is up. Because that, you know, that's how you own a TV in the American Hockey League, right?
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Sean McIndoo
No.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah, you buy a tv, you go in your calendar, you have to buy from Walmart, and you go 88 days just to give yourself a little bit of a cushion. You set an alarm and you say, return tv. Today, you return that tv, you go to the electronics section, you buy another tv, you bring that bad boy home. Set it for another, you know, whatever. How many days are left in the season and you rented a TV for free all year in the American.
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Sean McIndoo
And Frankie, how many times did you do that over the course of your career?
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Frankie Corrado
The best one was the first year where I had a roommate, where it was so efficient because one guy went to returns, one guy went to electronics. And it just timed that we were walking right back out of the store perfectly. It was great.
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Sean Gitilli
Just high five on the way out the door and just a sad greeter who sees it all play out and. Yeah, anything to stop.
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Frankie Corrado
Don't hate the play. I hate the game, baby.
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Sean McIndoo
Ethel. Ethel, the 81 year old greeter wearing the smiley face sticker on her vest.
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Frankie Corrado
Oh, yeah, go on. Can I see your receipt, sir? You absolutely can.
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Sean McIndoo
You certainly can. See in March, ma'. Am, this is why we have a former player in the mix, man. We don't do this. We don't do this for the insight on, you know, defensive play or anything like that. We want. We want the lowdown and dirty on like low grade retail scams that you were running in Abbotsford or wherever this was taking place.
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Frankie Corrado
New York has never been the same.
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Sean McIndoo
5.
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Frankie Corrado
The five families in New York. That holds nothing to the TV scam that's being run in the American Hockey League, in the East Coast Hockey League.
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Sean McIndoo
People with last names ending in vowels. Running. Running retail scams in the state of New York. That's interesting. Interesting. Interesting.
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Frankie Corrado
Weird that that would be happening. Yeah, weird that, that. Let me ask you something, since, you know, DGB and I are in Canada here in the States, is there like a. I know they branded it Frozen frenzy. Like I have the center ice package, so I'm naturally flipping through games all the time. And I had to work a game last night. Like I was on the panel for the 10:30pm Eastern Time HABS Kraken game. But is there like a red zone, like an NFL red zone for this frozen frenzy where they're kind of flipping back and forth? There's a power play in the Avalanche game. Let's cut here and see what Nathan McKinnon's doing. Do they do that?
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Sean McIndoo
No, they don't. They don't, Frank. And I think that leads us directly into our, into our issue here with, with this, doesn't it? Like, this is a multi tiered missed opportunity by the league. Right? Like there's so. There's so many other things. That's. That's all I could think while I was watching these games last night is, is how it could be better, at least in the States. Like if there was some kind of power play for red zones on certain night, which we've seen them edge around, but not quite. If it were marketed a little bit more differently, which is an issue, I think, that some teams certainly seem to have. If it took place on a night, and I know this is an issue for you guys, if this, if it took place on a night where there was no World Series game, like, maybe bump this into November. There's, there's a zillion different ways that, that you could improve this and make it feel like something, rather than just reading NHL marketing materials saying that it's something and turn it into the kind of, you know, single day sports cultural event that they, that they try to convince us that it is. Right.
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Sean Gitilli
Let me ask this. So we're three guys who are hockey fans and do this for a living. When did you realize that it was frozen frenzy time? Because for me, it was Monday morning.
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Sean McIndoo
Mm.
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Sean Gitilli
The day before when I sat down to, to do the newsletter and I had to do the, like, here's tonight's games. And I was like, oh, that's a lot of. Right. They're doing this thing that was. So it was about 36 hours beforehand. Were you guys over or under 36 hours?
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Frankie Corrado
I'm over 36 hours. Like, I knew because I had it. Maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask because when my schedule comes out, I'm like, oh, man, I have a 10:30 start in studio for a Seattle game. That's, that's a tough bounce. And then you realize, you look at the schedule like, oh, there's an 11, there's a 6 o'. Clock. It's the frozen frenzy. Here's where, you know, my, my whole view on this thing. I'll never fault the league for trying to do something different and market things. So, you know, okay, that's, that's fine. But it almost has the feel as if all the games happened to be on the same night because of arena availability and teams travel. And we just said, let's slap something on this and call it something. And then, you know, we'll, we'll market it. But the issue is not everyone has capacity to watch all these games. And furthermore, not everyone wants to watch all these games. If you're an Ottawa Senators fan, you're probably just watching your Sens game. You don't care about what's going on in the Avalanche or the Columbus game. Like, there's no reason for you to be flipping through your, your ESPN app or whatever app you use to watch these games and, and watch four minutes here, four minutes here. Oh, commercial break. I'm going to go to the other game because that's every night on the center ice package anyways, you know, if you're. If your game goes to commercial, you can flip somewhere else. So there's doesn't feel different. The thing that would make this feel different is if there was someone quarterbacking it. And to Gentiles Point, it's like, hey, there's a power play in the Hurricanes Vegas game. Let's go see what Jack Eichel is up to and cut to that game. And if, you know, like the Philadelphia Pittsburgh game, that was crazy. Like, there's fireworks in that game. You have to go and catch up with that and see what's going on. That's what would make it a frenzy, like a dedicated stream where it's. Someone's in the studio and they're throwing the ball to all these different games as notable things are happening. That's where the opportunity is not, you know, relying on people to cut away from their team's game to just say, oh, I watched, you know, parts of 12 different games last night. It's just, we need not.
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Sean Gitilli
We need Scott Hansen. Scott Hansen, like, look, Red Zone. NFL Red Zone is my favorite television show ever in my life. I think it is the greatest, most unimpeachable creation of sports media ever. So if we could get something 20% of that. And I get that hockey's different. It's not as, you know, football lends itself better. But here's the secret of Red Zone, okay? People hear the concept and they think, oh, they just go to whatever game, you know, people are close to scoring, and they do, but they also spend a lot of time showing you stuff that just happened. So a big play happens in the Steelers game. And here's the thing, they don't come in and go, oh, a big play. You know, DK Metcalf just scored a touchdown in Pittsburgh. Let's show it to you. They just cut in and you're watching this game going, okay, why am I on this game? Is something about to happen? Is this just the game they picked? And then a big play breaks out and you go, wow, that was great. And then they cut to something else.
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Frankie Corrado
And.
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Sean Gitilli
And you never know, like, is something about to happen? You could do that in the NHL, right? Like, you could, okay, Sidney Crosby just scored. Go back 45 seconds before and just drop him into Pittsburgh. And you just be sitting there watching Hockey all night with something always happening. I really think it could work, but.
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Sean McIndoo
It doesn't need to be. It doesn't need to be structured around the power play either.
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Sean Gitilli
It doesn't. Everybody says power play because that's the red zone equivalent. And certainly you can. There's nothing wrong with saying, hey, the Oilers are going on the power play. Let's just watch these guys fling the puck around for a while.
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Sean McIndoo
That's what, that's what red zone. That's what red zone turns into at some, at some points. Because it's like, all right, there's nothing going on in this other game except for the fact that, that the Vikings are inside the 20, so we'll go look at that. But that doesn't mean that they're just going to default to that every single time. I don't even like red zone that much. That's the thing. Like, I'm not like much of a. I'm not like a. I'm not a red zone.
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Frankie Corrado
Look at him. Look. I'm getting all worked up.
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Sean McIndoo
I'm not a red.
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Sean Gitilli
This is twice in two weeks, man. Don't. Don't do this.
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Sean McIndoo
Why was this not the, the primary ESPN broadcast last night? That's my question. Like some version of what we're talking about here. Why was that not what we were watching on espn? That's what turns it into something that grabs the casual fan. Because, because, because the NHL is such a locally based product still in. Frank, you said this like Sens fans are watching the Sens game last night. But if you market it as like, here's a different product, not just a day in the schedule that has a different name. Like, how is this any different than Hockey Night or like Hockey Day in the United States or whatever BS they do like on the week. It's not.
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Sean Gitilli
It's a marketing opportunity starts is what makes it different. But who cares?
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Sean McIndoo
The fact that these. The fact that a game. The fact that a game starts at 6:00'. Clock. Like, who cares? It. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. They're so focused on the staggered start portions of it. When that's something that doesn't matter to anybody. And less on the fact that all 32 teams are playing like that's the gimmick. Not that. Not that there's a game that starts at 6:15 and then 1. It's then 1 at 6:30 and it goes on throughout the night. Who cares? That's basically what a normal Thursday night is like on, on the NHL schedule. And I Know, because I know, because I have to sit there and watch that schlock every, every, every week in October, in November, you know, for, for power ranking stuff. I know I'm flipping around between 14 games throughout, throughout the course of the night. That's. That's not any different. It's a failed opportunity.
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Frankie Corrado
And you know what happens when you flip around through 14 games like that? You'll catch a guy on one shift and be like, oh, so and so he's not playing well. He just saw one shift. How do you actually know?
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Sean Gitilli
And to your point, that's the trick.
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Sean McIndoo
That's absolutely the trick to that. And that's the trap that a lot of people fall into who do, who do the kind of stuff that we do is they watch, you know, Andres fetch Nikov on a power play yesterday and think that he's fixed or whatever because he scored. That's like, not necessarily true, right? And we'll talk about that at some point on the line.
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Frankie Corrado
It's tough to get a read because to your point, the 6 o' clock game, who cares? Because the 7 o' clock game on a regular night, Eastern time, right, Just bleeds into the 8 o' clock game. You don't do anything specific to like say, oh, I got to watch the 8 o' clock game. Then there's the Mountain Time games at 9 while your 7 o' clock game is still going. And if that's your team while you're still watching it, and then by 10 o' clock, you've watched three hours of hockey, you might watch a period, you might not. And, you know, furthermore, the Pacific coast teams, like, if you're in Vancouver, you didn't really care to tune in at 3pm and watch Calgary versus Toronto. You're just watching your Canucks and you're watching Thatcher Demko stand on his head as J.T. miller returns to Vancouver. Like, that's, that's it and that's all you care about. And I think you're right, it is very local. The opportunity with the Frozen Frenzy is to make a dedicated studio show that doesn't have to be power play based, but it just, it goes to the different games at the right times. And that's, that's what makes it a frenzy. It feels frantic. And the red zone effect is you've sat there for whatever it is, seven hours, you've watched all this football, you've neglected your family, your wife, your kids, and you're now you're in one, and you have to find your way out of it. That is the red zone effect. And it happens to millions of men across North America every week.
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Sean Gitilli
Glorious. It's amazing. But. But, Sean, you said it. It's. It's the casual fan that they should be grabbing with this, trying to. Right. It's. It's this idea of, hey, maybe you're not a diehard hockey fan. Because if you're a diehard hockey fan, you're sitting and watching your team tonight. Give us three hours or four or five, you know, or maybe it's more. We'll be here all night. Drop in whenever you want.
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Sean McIndoo
That's it.
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Sean Gitilli
We'll feed you. Don't worry, little baby birds. We're gonna. We're gonna feed you as. As the night goes on. But you're gonna love it. And maybe that will be the thing that sparks and you, like, man, I.
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Frankie Corrado
This.
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Sean Gitilli
I should give hockey a chance or. I used to love this sport. I kind of fell out of it when everyone stopped scoring for 20 years. But maybe I'll. Maybe I'll give it another shot. That is. Is. Is what you. That's what the goal should be. You would think. But then you don't go up against the World Series, which is the other piece of this. And look, I'll. I'll offer the NHL a little bit of a defense here in the sense that having this go on, having any sort of event go on while a Canadian team is in the World Series is a disaster. Nobody thought that was going to be the case when they're drawn up the schedule. I don't think anybody was like, oh, boy, you know, what if the Blue Jays are playing the Dodgers in the World Series? That was. That's bad luck for the league. But also, I mean, they, you know, why was it on a Tuesday night, not on a Monday night? Well, because they wouldn't want to go head to head.
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Sean McIndoo
It's not bad. It's not bad luck. Why? It's not. It's not bad luck. It's bad. It's bad decision making. Like, I'm sorry.
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Sean Gitilli
Like the fact. Do it sometime when you can have the floor to yourself and you get to be the star of the show and. Yeah.
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Sean McIndoo
And you push it and you push it a little bit further, say. And look, we have to preface all this stuff I said. Making schedules is difficult. And the fact that, you know, that they get something that makes sense together every year is like half a miracle. It's. It is true to some extent, but push it further in the schedule. Have it in a November when people aren't Thinking about baseball when maybe college, like college football is less of a thing in, in the. Get it further into the schedule so it can be this restart moment, this welcome to the season moment for the casual fan, to the extent that it exists for the NHL, have a moment where they can sit down and be like, this is when everything starts. And then you can use the studio show as an opportunity to school people on things that have happened on the schedule up until this point. Right? If you're on ESPN and, and if it's John Bucha grass with Greg or whoever it is, it doesn't matter. It's TJ Oshi and in Kevin Weeks and Steve, whatever. Pick your, pick your poison of combinations there whenever. Stuff that happens last night, like we saw in the Flyers Penguins game, Justin Brazos scored and this is the game I was watching. So this is. So this is the example. So forgive me for this. Justin Brazo scores last night. Justin Brazo has very randomly been a major part of the start for one of the most surprising teams in the league, the Penguins, a marquee franchise with a legend of the sport who were supposed to suck out loud from the jump this season to the point where, where we're talking about them being a bottom three, bottom five roster fans are talking about Gavin McKenna, yada, yada, yada. We know that that's not what's happened. Like, it's a. And it's a compelling story. Justin Brazzo, big example for why that's happened. Justin Brazo scores last night. You know, you can run that back, have the Brazo package from that game and then say like, look, this guy is a big reason that the Penguins have been, have been as much of a shock as they've been. And you hit that throughout these games and have it be the gateway into hockey season for the casual fan. Right? And as it stands, it's just like it's a scheduling quirk and not anything else. It's got a funny name and there's. And there's no substance behind it.
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Frankie Corrado
I'll also look at it from the players point of view. Like the players don't care about TV broadcast schedules and all these, these things like. And I could hear the criticism. Well, the TV revenue is what drives the salaries and that's why guys make so much. Totally understand that and guys are very willing to fulfill their obligations. But you know, you start saying that, yeah, you're going to play a 6 o' clock game, so now your, your day's screwed up or you're going to play an 8 o' clock local start because we have to have the staggered time. Guys, like, start to. I don't know, start to shake their head. They're like, why do we got to get inconvenienced? Just because you got a stagger starts and we're. You're like your show pony for it. Let's just play seven o'. Clock. Like, we. We know what a seven o' clock game looks like. And, yeah, there's weekend games that are at 12 and at 1 and at 3, and everyone accounts for those types of things. The weird one, though, for players is when, like, a 12 o' clock start, a 1 o' clock start, a 3 o' clock start. You know how to adapt and pivot to that. It's fine. Like, you just do a different morning routine. The 6 o' clock start is weird because now your nap isn't as long you're. It messes with your morning skate timing. Like, when you come back to the rink. Like, that's. That's the weird one for guys where it's not enough to completely change your. Your day, but it's enough to just. Just mess with you a little bit.
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Sean Gitilli
Frankie's at Walmart stealing an alarm clock now to help him. Yeah, get that going.
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Frankie Corrado
Exactly. Casio.
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Sean Gitilli
You know what? I would do it.
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Sean McIndoo
Let me throw it. It fell off a truck. He didn't see anything. Let me.
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Sean Gitilli
Let me throw this at you. What about doing it this year, at least the. The day you come back from the Olympics the first time? Because. Because everyone's. Everyone's got to play it, right? I mean, so you don't have to worry about, well, the night before, because that's another part of this, right? There was almost nothing on Monday, and there's one lousy game tonight. And we always see this, right when the Olympics or four nations this year, it gets the casual fans, they get hooked, and then we all go, wow, hockey's big now. And then nobody watches when it comes back because the first game back is, you know, Winnipeg against Columbus, and who cares? So do it then and be like, all right, you loved the Olympics. Let's get you back in. Give us one night to get you back into the NHL, and I don't.
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Frankie Corrado
Know, you just get in a culture. Gary. Gary Bettman. Oh, hey. No, no, no. Dgv. He'll be. He'll be on with you after we're done. The pod. He's got it. Yeah. No, Gary. Gary heard your idea. He's. He loves it. He's all over it.
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Sean Gitilli
Tell him to text me. He knows he's got the number. He's, he's. He knows, he knows.
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Frankie Corrado
He knows where to find you.
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Sean Gitilli
But Gary's problem is, according to Pierre, his owners don't like this idea either, which is this is where the, the rage in me that like, wants to say, like, wants to, you know, crap all over the league goes, wait a second, hold on. If the owners are crying about this because it doesn't, you know, it doesn't fit. It's hard to sell tickets and all that. This is where I start to go. You know what? I hope they do it every week if these guys are going to.
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Sean McIndoo
Let's. That speaks to something Frankie said too, though, honestly, like, where players are like, what is the point of this? Like, TV revenue. Like, you guys understand that on some level.
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Sean Gitilli
Yeah, right.
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Sean McIndoo
It doesn't do anything for TV revenue. It doesn't help. There's, there's no.
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Frankie Corrado
It's all cooked in. The deals are already done. They're all cooked in. Everyone's going to play their allotted and obligated games. And the thing about the other thing about being a player, right? Like, Hockey night in Canada is such a big deal, right? Like, the leaf game is usually the marquee game. There's the late game. But for any player that's playing a game on like a Saturday night in their head, their game's the biggest game. If you're Detroit versus St. Louis, that's the biggest game in the NHL. Why? Because we're playing it and there's 20,000 people watching us. You know what I mean? So, like, you're not just like the owners who don't necessarily care what's happening in the other markets with this game. They just want to market their game, sell the tickets the best way they possibly can. Just like the players don't want to be messed with and just want to play the 7 o' clock game and have their normal, normal routine.
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Sean McIndoo
And if you're a Carolina's Carolina Hurricanes fan last night or whatever, you're like, wait, my game started at 6:30. Like, I missed the first period because I was making dinner for my kids. Like, well, like, there's no, like, your mistake right there.
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Sean Gitilli
Are you, are you dedicated? Are you on board or not?
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Sean McIndoo
I kind of believe, I kind of believe that you feel that way.
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Sean Gitilli
So can, can we, can we read the piercing yes quote right? This is, this is Pierre lebrun himself. He says, I would imagine most hockey fans love Frozen Frenzy last night. Not sure how they couldn't. Well, Here, listen to the podcast and we'll get you caught up. But I did get some grumbling from some NHL team execs, some not happy with start times and how it's a tough sell in their market, etc. That's the most NHL quote ever. Yeah, the fans probably loved it.
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Sean McIndoo
But. But.
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Sean Gitilli
And then, you know, here's why. Here's why we don't want to do it, because it's. It's hard for me, personally.
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Frankie Corrado
It. It comes back to my point. Did the fans love it?
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Sean McIndoo
I don't think so.
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Frankie Corrado
The fans just watched their team's game like they would on any other night. It was no difference for them.
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Sean McIndoo
It's the same thing. It's the same thing I always say on Thursday. And me. And. Me and Shayna Goldman have had this conversation before because she's. She's like the queen of stagger the starts by.
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Sean Gitilli
You said so not everybody. Staggered starts. I was like, oh, oh. I know one person who does.
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Sean McIndoo
That's a media thing. Fans want their games to start when they know they always start. They don't want to have random 725 starts when they're. When they're. When their stuff usually starts at 7.
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Frankie Corrado
They don't want the Ottawa Senators and the Chicago Blackhawks started at 7.54Central Time.
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Sean McIndoo
I.
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Frankie Corrado
What is that?
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Sean McIndoo
What is that?
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Frankie Corrado
How does a casual. A casual fan is gonna realize that. Like, what if you just wanted to pick up tickets? You're like, I'm gonna go catch the Hawks game tonight. You're parked outside the United Center. Like, sir, the game starts in two hours. The hell do you do outside the United center for two hours?
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Sean McIndoo
Good. Go vandalize the Bobby hall statue.
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Frankie Corrado
I don't know, man. I don't know, but you're right. Like, that's. That's one of those goofy start times. And the players, they don't love that. I don't know.
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Sean McIndoo
I think we've stumbled on an actual solution here, honestly, over the last 22 minutes, or however long it's been of us whining about this to varying degrees. I think it's a combination of all these things that we have discussed where you push it a little bit further into the season, you blow it out more from a marketing standpoint. You create a dedicated feedback on ESPN or pick the TV partner of. Of your choice, and you have it after the Olympics. There is no reason not to do that. Every team could play on the first day. Coming out of the break. It could be the welcome back moment for the casual fans like my mother during, during the, during the TJ Oshi shootout game against us. Like she, my mom couldn't care less about this. And he was like, oh, who's, who's TJ Oshi? She, she's see shots of his kids and his, and his wife and his family and knows that he scored a big goal and thinks like, oh, that's a, that's, that seems like a nice young man come back from the Olympics. There's going to be some version of TJ Oshi on, on one, on one team or another and, and have that be the, the, the, the welcome point, right? And it's just they're not going to do it.
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Frankie Corrado
You're not joking though. Like that's how you get different demographics of fans. Like just a non hockey example, we're watching the Jays go to the World Series, me and my wife, and she's like, she didn't care about the game. And then afterwards, once they're doing the interviews and she sees the wives and the little kids, I go to change it. She's like, no, no, no, leave this. This is what I want to watch. Like I want to know their stories, right? Like storytelling is always at the crux of it. Any way you can find a way to mix that in? That's what compels people and that's what gets people attached. It's not just guys in a jersey executing four checks.
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Sean McIndoo
I thought it was funny names. I thought that's what got people funny names. Alliterative. Alliterative names for, for some mate, for some made up thing nobody seems like in the first place. Take a break.
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Sean McIndoo
All right, we're back everybody. Everybody calm. Everybody find everybody recenter themselves.
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Frankie Corrado
We're okay after that. Did a little, little breath work so I'm feeling all right. I got a crazy stat for you guys. I don't know if you want to hear it. I don't know if you saw this making the rounds on Twitter yesterday, but. Tom Wielander, first round pick of the Vancouver Canucks in 2023, right handed defenseman made his NHL debut last night. He is the first right handed defenseman to be drafted by the Canucks and make his NHL debut with the Oregon organization since Sean.
- [29:33]
Sean McIndoo
Sean McAdoo. Guess please.
- [29:37]
Sean Gitilli
This one I can, I can go obscure but I can't go Canucks defenseman level of obscure because.
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Frankie Corrado
Are you kidding me?
- [29:44]
Sean McIndoo
You can't go. You can't go drafted Canucks right hand defenseman level of obscurity?
- [29:49]
Sean Gitilli
Yeah, no, not a lot. I mean it doesn't go back to the 50s so.
- [29:52]
Frankie Corrado
And you know let me take you guys back to the year 2011 when your boy was drafted and made his debut in 2013. That's the last time a right handed defenseman who was drafted by the Canucks made his debut with the organization. It was me. Do you know how sad that is? And before that it was bxa.
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Sean McIndoo
I thought that was. That was maybe the word that was worse than the fact that you were the last one was that there was that much between BXA and you.
- [30:22]
Frankie Corrado
BXA in O1 drafted me in 2011 drafted debut and this kid in 2023. That was scary. That is very scary stuff.
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Sean McIndoo
I don't know how are you guys any good in that stretch where you only had, you know, you and BX as. As drafted right shot. Like how did. How do you. How do you sustain a half decent team with that?
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Frankie Corrado
You know who was the. The saving grace for all that was the Dan Ham Hughes trade. Chris Tan have free agent signing like left handed shot Alex Ed like those were the real guys. I was just, I was just there. But that's a crazy stat. Crazy stat. So Tom Wielander played good for him. Congratulations.
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Sean Gitilli
Do you have, like, a big sign at your house? Like, days since the Canucks and you had to, like, go and reset it down to zero? Is that.
- [31:14]
Frankie Corrado
Yeah, yeah, it's. It was. I was holding onto it very dearly.
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Sean Gitilli
Did you know that before you saw the stat? Like, were you. Had you ever heard that tidbit before? Or was this something where you just, like, you. You lost the record the same day you found out you had it?
- [31:30]
Frankie Corrado
I found out yesterday and I tweeted out at Grady. I'm like, that can't be a real stat. And someone actually asked Grok or Groak or whatever the Twitter AI is.
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Sean McIndoo
I think it's pronounced Grook.
- [31:43]
Sean Gitilli
Yeah.
- [31:44]
Frankie Corrado
Well, there we go. Oh, for three. Someone has Grook. And Grook confirmed it. So it has to be real.
- [31:51]
Sean Gitilli
Grunk was like, actually, Gary Carter was the last. The last one.
- [31:57]
Sean McIndoo
Frankie, did someone. Did someone at you with that? Yeah, because I got. I got like, someone pointed it out and told me to bother you about it. So I unfortunately got the. Got Frankie's trivia bit spoiled for this week.
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Frankie Corrado
Yeah. Yeah, man. No, someone. Someone pointed it out. So anyways, congratulations to him. Weird. Kind of weird. Just. We'll touch on it really quickly. Vancouver in the morning. They were doing, like, red line, blue line sprints after their morning skate. And then they came out that night. They had no juice. Huh. I wonder why. But the guy that did have juice was Thatcher Demko, and he played great last night. Like, Vancouver couldn't score. We know scoring has been an issue for the Rangers, but Thatcher Demko was. Was really, really good. And like, that guy continues to kind of prove to people that he's good. Like, he's. He's healthy, he's able. Man, that is. That is significant for sure.
- [32:52]
Sean McIndoo
I also loved what Drance wrote after the game. It was J.T. miller centric, but specified that at the end of the game, you know, obviously the Rangers are. Are pretty well or pretty well in control there. He had a chance to ice. To ice it with an empty net or passed up on that. Had a chance to line up Elias Pedersen and hit him. Did not do that. I thought that's kind of an interesting subplot throughout that game. Is. Is. Is the J.T. miller of it all, because that's still. Man, that's going to be compelling. I think for as long as he's in the league and for as long as the Canucks are kind of in the overall state that they're in, I think that's going to be a compelling. A compelling Narrative is that you got J.T. miller in New York and then Elias Pedersen & Co. In Vancouver, kind of running on parallel tracks. Two very. Two very, very, very mediocre teams, really, since the trade. It's interesting.
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Frankie Corrado
New York coming off a performance where they were no good against Calgary, right? Like that. That was just nowhere close to good enough. It just felt like it was. There's bigger things at play for them, right? Like, I think the Rangers realize we don't have time for. For subplots and. And revenge. We got to take care of our own backyard and we got to win games here because it's been, you know, it hasn't exactly been a banner start for the Rangers, put it that way.
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Sean Gitilli
Are we worried at all about what it says about the Canucks that they were that flat for that game? Like, is there. I'm not even saying Miller specifically, but is there not a part of you that knows the history there and knows that, you know, why people are watching this game and going, like, all right, Pedersen's our guy, man. Let's. Let's make sure we have a good showing tonight and kind of show that this is our. And instead, it's not that.
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Frankie Corrado
Well, you know. You know what makes it always better when Quinn Hughes plays? Like, when. When Quinn Hughes plays, it's like, hey, we got the puck. We're four checking. We're, you know, we're. We're doing stuff when he doesn't play, it's flat, and we're just. We don't have the same kind of, you know. You know, the same kind of juice with. With the puck and getting the puck back like that. He makes such a difference. He's such a. You know, he changes the course of the game so often. So. Yeah, that's. You're right, though. You're definitely right about it, but it just. It didn't feel like it was that. That intense for them. They just didn't have the puck as much either.
- [35:17]
Sean McIndoo
I think one of the other big takeaways from last night, the Frozen Frenzy slate again, everyone loves it. Everyone's really into it, was from that 755 local start in Chicago, right? Connor Bedard, first hat trick of his career, which is kind of wild. 12 points in 10 games, it's early.
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Frankie Corrado
Blah, blah.
- [35:42]
Sean McIndoo
We preface everything with silly stuff like that. Even though we're almost a month into the season. There's. There are things that have happened with him over the last couple weeks, though, where it feels like maybe something's getting unlocked here. I think he was. He Was kinda kind of. Kind of prickly, kind of bristly after. After that game against the Kings last week where he says our power plays terrible, makes fun of the Kings for playing boring. Which I think is.
- [36:09]
Frankie Corrado
That was a compliment at the time.
- [36:12]
Sean McIndoo
Accurate and kind of complimentary. But I also kind of appreciate that he said it. I think those are the kind of things, though, that. That you're looking for from. From Connor Bedard is like, is, yes, games like last night, but also something. Something a little bit more intangible. Something. Something a little bit more experiential. When you're like, all right, this is. This guy's starting to feel like something else is taking place.
- [36:35]
Sean Gitilli
Do you feel like he's maybe getting a little sick of Macklin Celebrini?
- [36:39]
Sean McIndoo
That's right.
- [36:40]
Sean Gitilli
The last couple weeks and now he's the new face and he's the guy and. Get out of here. Connor and all of this stuff. You think maybe he heard a bit of that?
- [36:49]
Frankie Corrado
I 100% agree. And okay, think about this, right? So he doesn't go to the Men's Worlds. Celebrity goes. All anyone can talk about is celebrities rubbing shoulders with Crosby. They're working on Face Offs, they're best friends, they're attached at the hip. You know, what's Connor Bedard doing that entire time? By his word, he's getting ready for this season, right? Like, he didn't want to go to the Men's worlds because he knew he had. He had work to do and he wanted to use that time in order to call it, like, get a little more acceleration, a little more foot speed and refine some of his skills and see if it can translate this year. And the one goal he scores last night, where he carries the male end to end, slices and dices through the neutral zone and has that twisted wrist shot where he pulls it right in close to his body and still has enough leverage on his stick to snap it past all mark. Like, that's. That's why he needed that extra time. And that's like the embodiment of what he was working on. He wasn't saying, I just need the rest and I'm going to go refresh and I'll take a trip to Cabo and I'll put my feet up and then I'll do my old 16 week, you know, routine. This guy was like. This guy was in the lab grinding, man. Like the, you know, the old. The old Kobe. Kobe, you know, grinding in the gym. You wasn't with me grinding in the gym like that's what Bedard was essentially.
- [38:15]
Sean Gitilli
Doing was grinding while celebrating was just jet setting around, taking photos and all of this.
- [38:21]
Frankie Corrado
No, it's not. We're gonna make this not.
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Sean Gitilli
We're gonna.
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Sean McIndoo
Where was world?
- [38:25]
Sean Gitilli
Where was Worlds?
- [38:27]
Frankie Corrado
Yeah, it's. It's Bedard. Like Bedard used his time correctly, man. And now he's. He's faster. He's carrying the puck more. He's got another element to his shot, which was already good to begin with. But give the guy a lot of credit, man. He kind of called his shot and said, I need to do this. And now we're seeing the results.
- [38:44]
Sean Gitilli
And he hates Macklin Celebrini despises him. We're going to make this happen. These two guys hate each other. It's a magic and bird thing for the new era. And they. Yeah.
- [38:56]
Sean McIndoo
Celebrini was hanging out in Sweden and Denmark during the summer last season.
- [39:01]
Frankie Corrado
Having Fika.
- [39:02]
Sean Gitilli
Nice vacation.
- [39:03]
Frankie Corrado
Yeah.
- [39:04]
Sean McIndoo
Weird, weird pickled fish and working on.
- [39:07]
Sean Gitilli
His Instagram like whatever these days. Cared more about that. And Connor Bedard was just in a. He was. He was down in a windowless room just bench pressing and does.
- [39:20]
Frankie Corrado
Does Bedard. Does Bedard and his start make you think about the Olympics a little bit?
- [39:26]
Sean McIndoo
I think it has to, right.
- [39:27]
Frankie Corrado
Like there's some guys like, you know, I don't know. Sam Bennett hasn't gotten off to a great start in Florida.
- [39:33]
Sean McIndoo
No, no, he's not.
- [39:34]
Frankie Corrado
There's maybe guys a little slow.
- [39:38]
Sean Gitilli
Like there, there could be some, some.
- [39:40]
Frankie Corrado
Openings and it could be movement, man. I just don't want to be in a situation where you're one goal short and you don't have. It is.
- [39:47]
Sean Gitilli
Given what we know about the Olympics and what we know about coaches and executives, is it possible that there's room for Bedard and celebrity on Team Canada?
- [39:58]
Sean McIndoo
I think that was. That's the question. It felt a couple months ago like it was an either or proposition. Right Now I don't know if it is anymore because Celebrini too, he started a little like a little. At least a little bit slow, but then he, you know, caught fire over the last little bit. Has that incredible game against the Rangers where he has five points also just makes a sick. He wins a puck battle to set up Will Smith for the game winner in that. In that one. Right. Like it's. This is just like the full package. Macklin Celebrini. So as Bedard has seemed like he's. He's found something. Celebrini is kind of moving in lockstep and it feels like it's not an either or thing for them anymore. Whereas in the summer I kind of would have, you know, not knowing anything. I would have kind of.
- [40:39]
Sean Gitilli
But I mean if you bring both guys then at least one of them's got to be getting regular ice time. Like you can hide one forward but you know, and, and do you trust that or would you rather have the 33 year old slow plotting guy who's not going to make mistakes? And the other thing is, can you bring both of them given that they hate each other?
- [41:01]
Frankie Corrado
Well, in your. That. That'll be your next newsletter. Why do these guys hate each other?
- [41:06]
Sean Gitilli
Yeah. And we bring it back or I. Frank, I don't know when the next time the Sharks and Hawks play, but I think they just got to go, go off the opening face off, get it settled.
- [41:16]
Frankie Corrado
That's. That's the frenzy. That's the issue is not that both those guys don't deserve to be on the team based on the way they've played. It's who comes off the team and other guys. Like I don't know. Can you have, can you have Bedard, Celebrini Suzuki, Robert Thomas, Tom Wilson. It's like that's five guys that weren't on the team last year. You know, those are all guys that are in the. Sure.
- [41:39]
Sean McIndoo
Robert Thomas is on that. Well, is in that.
- [41:41]
Frankie Corrado
Yeah. St. Louis, another loss again last night. Like that's. They're working through some stuff like in a big way. So yeah. Like anyways there's a handful of guys that would deserve to make this team.
- [41:55]
Sean Gitilli
On a team one gold at four nations or you know, won the championship. It's not like this was a disappointing team where you go, we got to mix it up a little bit and we know hockey executives and coaches and everyone decision makers love to stick with what is working. So yeah. How much churn is there even going to be?
- [42:16]
Sean McIndoo
Something to watch to Connor Bedard's head head coach Jeff Blaschel. Very, very tight with John Cooper. They're close friends. They coach together for, for a while. That's gonna. That's an interesting wrinkle. Kind of kind of mixed. Kind of mixed in there. Jeff Blash, all American. Could. Could he be. Maybe he'll lie.
- [42:34]
Sean Gitilli
Yeah, maybe.
- [42:35]
Sean McIndoo
Maybe he'll lie to John Cooper and say like yeah, he's a little lackadaisical in the, in the neutral zone. Right. Like you should probably leave him at home. Gotta, gotta ask the question, you know.
- [42:48]
Frankie Corrado
Who I'm a fan of. American coach Who? Dan Muse.
- [42:53]
Sean McIndoo
Okay.
- [42:53]
Frankie Corrado
I'm a fan of Dan Muse.
- [42:54]
Sean McIndoo
I think he knows what he's doing. Have you, have you dealt with him at all, Frank?
- [42:58]
Frankie Corrado
Well, just a little bit because he coached Hudson, Lane Hudson at the program. So before one of the games when he was with the Rangers, we just got some info from him, talked to him. But, man, smart hockey guy, doing well with Pittsburgh. And that was a crazy game last night, man. Like, how do you even start to. How do you even start to break down what happened? Because if they're like the Frozen frenzy, that should have been the game that was like front and center with all kinds of crazy stuff going on. Crosby can't even take the shootout because he gets kicked out. He gets a misconduct. There's a, A bunch of goals called back. That was nuts, man. That was crazy stuff.
- [43:40]
Sean McIndoo
I think my favorite part of it was Trevor Zegras going after Nola Chari when he was, when he was down on the ice. After that, after that scrum, like, Zegra's Zigres came in late. He got a couple pops, like, to the back of the head. Acharya was like, otherwise engaged on the, on the ice, on the ice with someone after that, after that scrum. And I'm happy for Trevor Zegras that Nola Chari didn't. Didn't get what he was looking for after he got back up, after he got back off the ice. There was some. There were, there were, there was some anger there because it was, it was, it was chief little kid shot, little kid stuff from, from Zigris and Achary didn't appreciate it.
- [44:22]
Frankie Corrado
You know what that was? That was the guy who has the loud bark at recess and always goes, hold me back. Like, he throws a jab and he's like, hold me back. They won't let me go. They won't let me. They know. They know. Once I. Here's what I wonder, you know, the. I don't know if, like, are the Penguins going to fool themselves now? Are they going to think that, hey, we did it. The band is still here. We're a good team. There's going to be some kind of market correction on the Pens. Like, they, they might not. They're not going to be a.700.
- [44:53]
Sean McIndoo
You don't think they're going to be a.727 point percentage team for the rest of the season?
- [44:56]
Frankie Corrado
They could be. They could be based on the start that they've had and how much they've banked already, and they're getting good goaltending they could be a 555 team, 565.
- [45:08]
Sean McIndoo
Team division that, like, if Columbus is. If Columbus takes a step back and the Rangers stay in the mud, that division's not any good.
- [45:16]
Frankie Corrado
And if that happens, do they fool themselves and stay say, well, we're going to trade someone for the here and now so we can kind of make the playoffs. There's no way. There's no way they can do that. If anything, you got to look at the start that Malkin has had on that expiring contract and make a really tough decision because that's what's going to set you up now for. For your future.
- [45:36]
Sean Gitilli
Is. Is there no way when, when. If you're Kyle Dubas and when Sidney Crosby comes in and says, okay, you said you were going to sit back and evaluate. You said you wanted to see. We all knew what you meant. You were waiting for us to face plant so you could trade Rust and Raquel and guys like that. We delivered. We gave you a contender. Now you hold up your end of the bargain and you help us out in what might be my final shot at doing something here in Pittsburgh. Get out there and get us some reinforcements.
- [46:10]
Sean McIndoo
I think Ricardo Kel's injury is very fortuitously timed for Kyle Dubas in that regard, because he's going to be out for six weeks, eight weeks, right? You let those guys play it out. You see what happens eight weeks from now is we're going to be a Christmas. Ricardo Kel comes back. If they're still in the mix, if they're, if we're still talking about them as, you know, some kind of factor in the playoff race, you say, great, here's your guy. You got Ricardo Kel back. We're not. We're, you know, go win some games. He. There's your trade deadline. Reinforcement. I don't. I don't see any way that Kyle Dubas sells anything of importance down the stretch. I don't. I don't think he. I don't think he will.
- [46:51]
Frankie Corrado
I.
- [46:53]
Sean McIndoo
It would. It would take a sea change, if anything, to, To. To motivate him there, if anything.
- [47:01]
Frankie Corrado
This is. This is great for the Pens and dubious because now, not that, not that people thought Malkin's game was like falling off a cliff or anything, but if you, you're watching a player, like, turn back the clock a little while ago, and if there's a contender that needs a center iceman, which is probably a lot of contenders actually, because everyone needs a center iceman, the value for Malkin is more than it was, you know, even a couple of years ago. So you can cash in on something like that if you wanted to do that. There they got some good young pieces like the two goalies. Now the kid that's playing in the Miners, Mirashov, he's playing great. Like all reports are great on him. She loves has been good like Bruinick and Kendall. It's a chance these guys are staying all season. Who knows. But I mean, she loves.
- [47:48]
Sean McIndoo
He won that game last night for them. Like he, that was, that was a whole lot of him. I think they're going to lose 10 of 14 here in a second anyway, so it really doesn't matter. We can get this conversation in. In while we can.
- [48:00]
Frankie Corrado
Well, when they do that, they'll, they'll come back to reality a little bit. But they're, they're well positioned now to sell a piece that'll help them in the future than they were prior to them playing this. Well, for sure. The guys that they need to move are the guys that are moving the needle for the team.
- [48:17]
Sean McIndoo
We also got our first batch of Promenade rankings post like from the start of the, the call, whatever the college and junior seasons that dropped today. So if you're a Pittsburgh Penguins fan who's listening to this or some other, you know, theoretical bottom feeder who can, who, you know, wants to see what's going on with Gavin McKenna and whoever else. The prominent rankings are helpful because it's, it's probably time to learn about, about the 2, 3, 4, 5 players in the, in this draft, which I think is, which I, which I think is helpful. But yeah, I, I'm still, you know, the Penguins are a good watch. I think people are around here are certainly enjoying that, but I'm in. Dan Muse absolutely knows what he's doing and I think there's some interesting pieces on that team. But yeah, I'm going to go on a limb and say that 727 hockey isn't, isn't happening all that much longer here. We'll see.
- [49:11]
Frankie Corrado
No. No. All right, boys.
- [49:13]
Sean McIndoo
Frankie, what's up with you for the rest of the week? Do you have any other late night, any other late night games or what?
- [49:18]
Frankie Corrado
We got a little, little late night stuff. Sports center for the rest of the week. Dan and it. Dan in it. And then Halloween, Halloween with the kids. They're both going to be dressed up as baby cows. Why? Because the costume was $20 each and there's two of them. So that means the costume was $40.
- [49:35]
Sean McIndoo
Did you keep the Receipt. Did you keep the receipt?
- [49:37]
Frankie Corrado
Man, like just fine. That's where I draw the line. Okay. Electronics? No problem. Baby cow costumes. Not sending that back.
- [49:47]
Sean McIndoo
They don't got Walmarts out there anyways. It's fine. Enjoy the rest of your week, bud. Talk to you soon. Me and McIntu are back with what we learned.
- [49:54]
Frankie Corrado
Next.
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Sean McIndoo
Foreign.
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- [51:59]
Sean Gitilli
Right?
- [51:59]
Sean McIndoo
There goes Frankie off to a Walmart in Vaughan, Ontario or wherever to go sell back some stuff that he fraudulently bought.
- [52:08]
Sean Gitilli
Some stuff that he found is going to be. Don't don't get on Facebook Marketplace with Frankie that's. That's potentially.
- [52:17]
Sean McIndoo
He's just. He's aware of the return policies for. For ver. For various retailers. Let's say. Can I get store. Can I get store credit on this?
- [52:26]
Sean Gitilli
Frankie asks. Yeah, it went on sale after I got it. How does that factor in? We work this out, please, Sean.
- [52:37]
Sean McIndoo
We learned something while we were recording that first segment did.
- [52:40]
Sean Gitilli
Yeah, that's always fun.
- [52:41]
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- [52:43]
Sean McIndoo
Logan Cooley is a $10 million player. Incredible shout out to the West Mifflin Penn Legend himself. Logan Cooley, one of the best young centers in the game, signs for eight years, $10 million per with the Utah Mammoth. That's a big one. Third highest contract coming out of entry level in NHL history according to our guys, C.J. and Pierre. Which is. Which is wild. Dom characterized it on Twitter as a deal that looks large on paper, but the odds that it ends up being team friendly are, are pretty. Are pretty good. I think that's the way I feel about it too. Like there is some amount of sticker shock and I think that's my big takeaway here.
- [53:25]
Sean Gitilli
Would. Okay, that or the Thomas Harley deal, which did you. Were you both surprised?
- [53:31]
Sean McIndoo
I think those.
- [53:31]
Sean Gitilli
He got eight times ten in a bit.
- [53:33]
Sean McIndoo
I think those kind of work in tandem and I think it's something we need to remember moving forward. And I know we've said this in some capacity before, Sean, like we gotta recalibrate. We have to change our, our internal valuations on how much players are worth, how much good players make. What constitutes a good deal versus a great deal versus a poor deal. The number's going up. That's just the way it goes. So the fact that Logan Cooley, as I truly one of the five best, let's say young centers in the league or five most promising centers like in that age group will say $10 million is, is. Is reasonable. And Thomas Harley, as you know, is he. Is he Dallas's number one? No, that's because of Mero Hiskinen, but He's certainly number one caliber in a lot of respects. Signing up for 10.5 and change is. Is that's the cost of doing business and that's how much. That's how much these dudes cost moving forward. And I think there is to, to some extent, whether it's media, whether it's fans, you see these deals and you say like, oh, okay, a lot of years, a lot of money, but that's just the way it is now. And it's because the cap's raising and.
- [54:41]
Sean Gitilli
And you can't, you can't look at somebody who signed three or four years ago.
- [54:45]
Sean McIndoo
No, you know, oh, that's Apple's.
- [54:47]
Sean Gitilli
Harley's making more than Kale Makar. Yeah, yeah, it's Apple's.
- [54:51]
Sean McIndoo
The, Apple's the bowling balls. At this point, man, it's just, it's just not a, it's not a valid comparison.
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Sean Gitilli
But here is the thing, because once we knew that the cap was going up and by how much, I think all of us, at least in theory, said, okay, we know salary is going to go up. We're still seeing some sticker shock. It still takes some getting used to. But we, we knew they were going up. What surprises me, I really wondered if in this environment if we would see guys in their prime say, I'm not doing eight years, not doing eight years because, you know, with the cap going up year and year, like, I don't want to lock in on a deal that might have sticker shock in year one. And by year six or seven, you know, I'm way down the list. Give him where the cap is and we're still seeing guys, NHL players love signing eight year deals that take their entire prime. They just like, I'll do it once. And, and look, it's, nobody's sitting there going like, oh, poor Logan, only 80 million. Gosh, he's, you know, that $81 million yacht he's not going to be able to get. Now obviously these guys will do fine, but just purely from a, you know, maximizing your value. I don't think it makes a ton of sense, but clearly they don't agree with me.
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Sean McIndoo
Here's what I'll say for Cooley. Statistically, it takes him through his prime. Sure. We all know that's 27 or 27 and a half or whatever, wherever the number stands right now, still an extremely young dude, still potentially getting paid when he's 30. Let's say that money is going to be out there. Then I, I, for Cooley, it makes more sense to me than it does with other guys because he's going to get a significant raise on what the bridge deal would have been to take him from, you know, 22 to 27. So I think there's, I think he's making enough up front there to make it less, I don't want to say egregious, but less annoying to see like someone, someone lock it in that long. Like, I think there, I think there's a little bit less risk aversion for Logan Cooley than there is for other.
- [57:07]
Sean Gitilli
Guys on this, if by year seven and eight I'm a huge bargain at 10 million, I will cash in correct. In year nine. And yeah, you're right, this isn't a guy he didn't sign until he's 33 or something.
- [57:21]
Sean McIndoo
Where in that. And that's in that matters. We, we know those, we know those few years matters, especially now when it comes to front offices getting a little bit smarter, a little bit less AP give big contracts to 33 year old players than they were in the past. Yeah. And he's saying essentially like might not be a $10 million player for the next three seasons, might be more than a $10 million player for the bet for the back couple years of it, but you know, we'll make it up on the back end. So I think, I think I agree with you overall, man. I think there is risk aversion and it's, and it's of a type with a lot of, a lot of deals that we've seen in the past, even though the number's bigger. But I think that he makes enough of up front for me to put it off to the side a bit.
- [58:07]
Sean Gitilli
That's fair enough.
- [58:08]
Sean McIndoo
I don't know about Harley. Harley. Harley feels like a guy. That's the flip side of the coin.
- [58:13]
Sean Gitilli
You think Thomas, I mean, a defenseman though. So they, they age a little bit. Aging curve shifts out a year or two and.
- [58:24]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah, you know, whatever. You know, man, like if someone said you can have $80 million right now, like do, like, do I worry about whether that stops me from making $95 million total or whatever over, over, over 10 years? Yeah.
- [58:38]
Sean Gitilli
But then the flip side is, I mean, you'd say yes to 60 million then. So I mean, why not take that? Why not? You know, how far down do you go knowing that you're freeing up capital and all of this stuff, right? Like at some point. And I, I've often said, like, I don't think with a lot of these players it's, it's the actual dollars that's going to bother them because again, a lot of hockey players are just kind of, you know, and I don't mean this derivatively necessarily, but they're just simple guys. I want a cottage, I want a boat, I want a nice car. That's it. You know, and it's not, I want.
- [59:18]
Sean McIndoo
To, I want a TV from Walmart that I can return in 88 days.
- [59:21]
Sean Gitilli
Which doesn't factor in to the expenses. So, you know, as we learned, you know, they're not Sitting there going, I need a mansion in a private plane. So it doesn't really matter, but I think it's. You know, imagine put yourself in the scenario where there was an. In whatever job you do, there was a number that was associated to everyone that roughly was meant to indicate how good you are at your job. And that was public. And public in a way that you had to hear about it all the time. You telling me that, yeah, you might feel like, I make enough money, but if you're walking by, you know, on the way to the photocopier, and you're walking by that guy at his cubicle, and he's got a nine on his desk, and you've got an eight on yours, and you're sitting there going, I do more than that guy. Do I really want to hear about this? And everybody who comes by your cube goes, hey, your number is a little low. Have you ever heard that? Has anyone ever mentioned that to you? And you're like, yeah, actually, I hear it everywhere I go. Thanks a lot. You know, I think it's a pride thing for some of these guys as much as anything. And I don't know is some. Some guys will handle it, and some guys don't.
- [60:26]
Frankie Corrado
You.
- [60:27]
Sean Gitilli
I. There have certainly been guys where I've gotten the impression that, man, if this guy has to hear about what a quote, unquote, great contract he has, one more time, he looks like, you know, he might. He might pop a vein.
- [60:38]
Sean McIndoo
But you could just. You can specify McKinnon. You can. You can say it was him, kind.
- [60:43]
Sean Gitilli
Of was him a little bit, and rightly so. The guy was making 6 million. And everyone's like, that's crazy, man. Isn't that wild that you should be making twice as much?
- [60:52]
Sean McIndoo
I was.
- [60:52]
Sean Gitilli
No. Thank you for reminding. You're only the fourth person today to bring that up. That's awesome.
- [60:57]
Sean McIndoo
There's a couple years ago in Vegas when they did that media. They do that media tour event. And I ended up, guys, you know, Pierre was sick or something, so I decided to go. It was when McKinnon. It was when McKinnon signed his new deal. And the look on his face when he realized that he didn't have to answer the who is the most underpaid star in the league anymore? And when he realized that the answer to the question was Cale McCarr, like he could pass that baton onto his teammate. I've never. I've certainly never seen Nathan. Nathan McKinnon that happy. I'm not sure I've ever seen another Hockey player that happy he was, he.
- [61:36]
Sean Gitilli
Went out that night in Vegas and really cut loose. He ate one spoonful of white rice.
- [61:41]
Sean McIndoo
See? A round of tomatoes for everybody. Let's go.
- [61:48]
Sean Gitilli
I learned something this week that I shouldn't have to learn because it happens to me every year. But I learned that I've got to stop pre writing my annual scariest starts. I just need to write it the morning it goes live. Just if it's going live at 7am I just going to set the alarm, get up early and just do it that morning.
- [62:09]
Frankie Corrado
Morning.
- [62:09]
Sean Gitilli
Because I. I always try to get a little. Get a little bit done in advance, you know, try to outline, at least organize my thoughts and I can. Because then inevitably whoever I mention goes absolutely nuts in the two games or two nights or whatever it is and makes me look bad. And I gotta go back and take down my whole like, you know, Svechnikov hasn't scored all year thing.
- [62:34]
Sean McIndoo
You hear that? Sveshnikov?
- [62:35]
Sean Gitilli
Yep, he heard. Evan Bouchard heard. And the guy I'm scared of because, because by the way, this is, this is my roundabout way of plugging the piece that drops Thursday. There's only one game tonight. How bad can it be? All I'm going to say is I think Austin Matthews gets a hat trick tonight.
- [62:55]
Sean McIndoo
Let's just. Goals. Five goals for awesome Matthew.
- [62:58]
Sean Gitilli
Five is, five is doable, three on a goalie and two more into an empty net.
- [63:03]
Sean McIndoo
Let's say that I. How many people are on this team?
- [63:10]
Sean Gitilli
21. I go 20 man roster, but I gotta have an extra goalie because half.
- [63:14]
Sean McIndoo
The teams do the full roster. Yeah, you fool. You're tempting fan on that one. You gotta, you gotta pick the 10 guys you think might actually stink and just like focus on that and, and.
- [63:26]
Sean Gitilli
Well, I mean it's, it's, it's whether it's 10 or 20 or 1, that guy is gonna go bananas and I'm then gonna have fans who don't have object permanence and therefore don't know how time works. Going like, this guy's got 10 goals now. I know I did. I didn't. I wrote it a month.
- [63:45]
Sean McIndoo
Right.
- [63:46]
Sean Gitilli
12 now. No, I'm. I'm aware. It's just.
- [63:50]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah, I, I said that, I said that in October. Anything else?
- [63:54]
Sean Gitilli
Anything else? You know, in December he hits.
- [63:56]
Sean McIndoo
Yeah.
- [63:56]
Sean Gitilli
Okay, I'm going to stop you right there. Okay, I'm going to stop you right there and I'm going to, I'm going to have you look at this calendar and tell me which month comes first.
- [64:04]
Sean McIndoo
That's a level of contempt for fans that you almost only see from espn.
- [64:08]
Sean Gitilli
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
- [64:09]
Frankie Corrado
Readers.
- [64:10]
Sean Gitilli
My readers specifically. Ruining my life.
- [64:14]
Sean McIndoo
These are all, these are my readers, says Sean McIndale.
- [64:17]
Sean Gitilli
I think somebody else has already used that one, but all right.
- [64:20]
Sean McIndoo
His name escapes me. Thank you, buddy. And thank you to Frankie. Like we said, he's, he's in the, he's in the return line at a Walmart somewhere. Thank you, folks. No contempt here. We love you listeners. We love you viewers for watching the show and listening to the show. Three of us are back next Wednesday. Haley and I have the next show overall, which is tomorrow. We're gonna be talking to Shane and Goldman, who had a really interesting piece come out about team building and how good teams get good. We're going to talk to her about that. Plenty of other stuff. That's a Thursday show. This has been the Wednesday show. Signing off.
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