Will Tristan Jarry be the last goalie the Oilers trade for this season?

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Episode: Will Tristan Jarry be the last goalie the Oilers trade for this season?
Date: December 17, 2025
Hosts: Sean Gentili, Sean McIndoe (AKA Down Goes Brown), Frankie Corrado

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Episode Overview

This episode dissects the Edmonton Oilers’ recent trade for goalie Tristan Jarry, pitting him in a memorable immediate matchup against the Penguins (and Stuart Skinner) just days after the swap. The hosts discuss the logic behind the move, the risks involved in Edmonton’s goaltending carousel, and whether the trade market is truly closed for the Oilers yet. Segments also explore Buffalo’s hiring of Yarmo Kekäläinen, trade deadline nuances, and some lighter banter around hockey teams’ watchability and hockey culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Oilers-Penguins Goalie Trade and Its Fallout

Segment: [03:58–12:32]

• Immediate “Revenge Game” Setup:

  • Both freshly traded goalies, Tristan Jarry and Stuart Skinner, started for their new teams just five days post-trade, drawing comparisons to the Spider-Man meme: "you have two guys who are traded for each other five days ago... Of course, end up facing off last night." — Sean Gentili [03:58]
  • Both teams “delivered” by starting their newcomers. "I kind of can't believe...both teams started the guy after the trade...it was the most intriguing game of the night." — Sean McIndoe [05:53]

• Game Recap & McDavid Highlight:

  • Oilers beat Penguins 6–4. McDavid scored a dazzling goal: "Could have been prime Marty Brodeur and he still wouldn’t have gotten to that post." — Frankie Corrado [04:59]
  • Skinner’s reaction: "I've seen it so many times, I just don't know what you could possibly do... Next time, I'm just going to be aggressive." [05:06]

• Trade Analysis:

  • Jarry vs. Skinner: Hosts suggest Jarry has a higher ceiling, but Skinner is more proven in the playoffs. Progress likely to be marginal: "How much better does Jarry make the Oilers...am I thinking like, 10% at the most? That’s kind of how I feel." — Frankie Corrado [07:42]
  • There’s praise for simply making a move: "I give them a lot of credit for finally making a trade and saying, we're going to do this." [08:50]
  • McIndoe emphasizes that change was essential even if Skinner wasn’t a bad NHL goalie. "Going into the playoffs with Stuart Skinner as your number one again was not something that would work." [08:59]
  • However, Jarry is called "the most volatile goaltender I've ever consistently watched." — Gentili [11:04]

• The Floor vs. Ceiling Argument:

  • Jarry has a lower floor but higher ceiling than Skinner. He brings more athletic "scramble" ability, perhaps better suited to Edmonton’s defensive breakdowns but carries day-to-day risk. "You just don't know what you’re getting from that guy on a game-to-game basis, let alone month-to-month." — Gentili [11:04]

• Personal Experience & Backgrounds:

  • Corrado shares his AHL experience with Jarry, describing him as slow to start in practices but a good and thoughtful person: "We would start practice at 10:30...Jarry would start at 10:40 because the first warmup drill everyone would score on him...Jars, wake up!" [12:53]

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2. Leon Draisaitl's 1,000-Point Milestone & Hockey Locker Room Banter

Segment: [15:22–19:12]

• Draisaitl Hits 1,000 Points:

  • First German, fifth-fastest non-North American, and 103rd overall. "Does that seem high or low?" — Gentili [15:47]. "That seems appropriate to me." — Corrado [15:47]
  • Oilers’ post-game T-shirts feature Draisaitl "smoking a dart" with the slogan "smoking his way to a thousand." [16:21]

• Player Culture:

  • How common is smoking in hockey? Corrado shares a junior hockey story: "I look at him and go, 'What's going on with the darts?' He goes, 'Oh, I'm trying to quit chew.'" [17:31]

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3. Connor McDavid’s Recent Tear

Segment: [18:38–20:42]

• Post-Trade Uplift:
  • McDavid’s brilliance highlighted: "20 points in seven games...He took the scoring lead briefly last night." — Gentili [18:59]
  • Corrado on McDavid shooting more: "He's actually saying shooting the puck has become an option for me...This guy's on fire right now." [19:12]
  • McIndoe calls it "terrifying" if McDavid is back into goalscoring mode after previously besting Matthews in the Rocket race. [20:01]

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4. Trade Market Dynamics: Double Retention Rules & the Impending Freeze

Segment: [23:08–29:49]

• CBA Impacts:

  • New deadline for retaining salary in a trade and the ripple effects—"75 days from now will be after the trade deadline," so GMs need to act now for multi-team retention deals. [23:08]
  • McIndoe quips, "If you can make trading less likely...you gotta do that as soon as possible." [24:05]
  • Corrado suggests double retention matters less now due to softer cap crunches for teams: "Teams aren't in the same kind of cap crunch...it's obsolete in a way." [25:12]
  • Gentili notes the Oilers-Pens goalie trade had zero salary retention, giving the Penguins more future trade flexibility: "That's decent work by [Dubas]." [26:10]

• Who Complained?:

  • McIndoe wonders aloud who lobbied for the new trade restriction: "If I'm a buyer, I like [salary retention]...If I'm a seller, I like it...who had a bug up their behind and said...we need to fast track it?" [27:46]

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5. The Buffalo Sabres Hire Yarmo Kekäläinen: Evaluation and Frustration

Segment: [29:49–42:13]

• Organizational Stagnation:

  • Sabres fan frustration: "You constantly have the opportunity to start with a blank canvas...and they've messed it up so many times." — Corrado [30:56]
  • Gentili and McIndoe agree that Yarmo’s bias for action is a breath of fresh air in paralyzed Buffalo. "His default setting is to do stuff. That is not...what Sabres have had." — Gentili [31:53], "The default mode in Buffalo was basically to not hire anybody." [33:21]

• Cautiously Optimistic on Yarmo:

  • While Yarmo's Columbus record was mixed, "he's shown the guts...to roll the dice on rentals," which Buffalo needs. [42:13]
  • But Sabres success will depend on willingness to spend to the cap: "The Blue Jackets spent to the cap. The Sabres have not...If you have a cheap owner, it doesn't matter." — Gentili [42:13]

• Potential for Alex Tuch Extension:

  • Tuch reportedly wants “Adrian Kempe money” ($10M+), which would require Buffalo to open the pocketbook: "You can convince Alex Tuch to stay...if the price is right." — Corrado [38:53]

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6. Bench Banter: Minnesota Wild, Quinn Hughes, and the NHL “Do Not Watch” List

Segment: [44:05–45:33]

• Quinn Hughes’ Unique Style:

  • New Wild fans are introduced to Hughes’ quirky way of entering the bench, delighting the hosts. [44:05]

• Team Watchability:

  • Corrado proposes a "do not watch" list for dull teams: "I like to watch every team early...then I develop a do not watch list. Philly, for instance, are terrible to watch but not a bad team." [44:59]
  • Plenty of good-natured ribbing about hockey boredom and golf course preferences.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jarry/Skinner Trade:
  “You just don’t know what you’re getting from that guy on a game to game basis, let alone month to month. And I think that makes it hard to assess it in any real way and also hard to predict, you know, whatever they’re going to do next.”
  — Sean Gentili [11:04]

• On Draisaitl's “Smoking to 1,000” T-Shirt:
  “If they don’t win, do those shirts still come out? Or... do they get shipped to some third world country with Blue Jays World Series gear?”
  — Sean McIndoe [16:43]

• On Buffalo's Hiring Philosophy:
  "The fact that they even made this change is kind of shocking because it truly felt like Kevin Adams was going to have the job for life despite the results."
  — Sean Gentili [33:21]

• On Trade Deadline Rules Tweaks:
  "If you can make trading less likely and make the rumor mill less fun for the fans, you gotta do that as soon as possible."
  — Sean McIndoe [24:05]

• On Connor McDavid’s Scoring Surge:
  “He’s actually saying shooting the puck has become an option for me. It’s not option three...This guy’s on fire right now.”
  — Frankie Corrado [19:12]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Opening banter / holiday shopping woes: 02:13–03:58
• Oilers-Penguins goalie trade analysis: 03:58–15:22
• Draisaitl’s 1,000 point milestone & smoking culture: 15:22–18:38
• McDavid's surge / scoring leader debate: 18:38–20:42
• Trade freeze, double retention CBA rules: 23:08–29:49
• Buffalo Sabres, Yarmo Kekäläinen, and cap spending: 29:49–42:13
• Minnesota, Quinn Hughes’ bench style / Do Not Watch List idea: 44:05–45:33
• Light closing banter, media personalities, announcer appreciation: 49:04–54:05

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Final Thoughts & Tone

The episode strikes a familiar blend of insightful analysis and irreverent camaraderie. The panel highlights the ongoing rollercoaster for Edmonton’s goaltending and the complexities of trade season in a flat-cap world. There's hope—tempered with hard-earned skepticism—for Buffalo’s front office shuffle. Connor McDavid’s dominance, Draisaitl’s milestone, and the quirky realities of hockey culture keep the tone brisk and engaging.
Plenty of inside jokes, personal stories (including AHL practice tales and golf angst), and industry observations give the episode strong conversational chemistry, with both hockey nerd curiosity and plenty of locker room warmth.

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This summary covers all major content segments and memorable dialogue while skipping advertisements and routine podcast outro content for clarity and focus.

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[Sean Gentili]

This is the Athletic Hockey Show. What up? What up? It's the Athletic Hockey show. It is D.C. dec. 17, eight shopping days before Christmas. Is that how. Is that how that works? I feel like that's not how the calculation works.

[Sean McIndo]

I don't think the 25th counts.

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For some of us. It might.

[Sean McIndo]

Might You've left it too late if you're at the gas station at 6am But I've done.

[Sean Gentili]

I've done Christmas Eve presents. I've done it.

[Frankie Corrado]

I've been. I've been at the Eaton center in Toronto on, like, the 23rd, or maybe even the 24th. And I was playing for the Marlies at the time. And one of the news. I can't remember, it was like, CP24, one of those news people, they were in the mall, like, here are the.

[Sean Gentili]

Losers at the mall on December 24th.

[Frankie Corrado]

And they were like. They had the camera going, and this guy's grabbing people for interviews, essentially asking them, hey, why are you doing your Christmas shopping on the 24th? And he grabs, like, not grabs me, but he's like, hey, sir, can we talk to you? I'm like, you know what? I probably better not.

[Sean Gentili]

You have. You have, like, a thought bubble with a loo, like, flashing above your head. You're like, probably not. Probably not the best idea.

[Frankie Corrado]

Look at that loser shopping on the 24th. Wait, I recognize that loser.

[Sean Gentili]

Second.

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah, my boss is a jerk. He doesn't give me any time off.

[Frankie Corrado]

So.

[Sean Gentili]

I. I've done. I've done airport gifts before. I bought my mother a gift at a Brookstone in. In. In an airport.

[Frankie Corrado]

You could make it happen.

[Sean Gentili]

2011, you.

[Frankie Corrado]

You honestly could make it. There's some airports with some pretty, like, pretty snazzy little outlets, and you could. No one could know the difference.

[Sean Gentili]

Yeah, they're not giving you much of a discount at those. No, you're paying. You're. You're. You're paying the jackass tax on juice. Maybe that. All right, I'm Sean Gentili. They are Sean McIndo and Frankie Corrado. Fellas, let's just start in Pittsburgh as we. As we so often do. We had. I. It's so funny to phrase this as like, a revenge game for virtuous and Jari last night. Tristan Jari versus Stu Skinner. Oilers versus Pens. Oilers win 6 4. We had the. We had the living manifestation of the hockey version of the Spider man, like, meme, pointing. Pointing at each other last night, where you have two guys who are traded for each other five days ago. They have, of course. Of course, end up facing. Facing off last night. Let's. Let's start with that. We can't. We can't call this a Tristan Jari revenge game. Right? That's. That's. That's. That's incorrect.

[Frankie Corrado]

No, no, we can't. We can't call it the Tristan Jari revenge game. But, man, I wonder if at some point, if Stuart Skinner, like, does he have any way of getting revenge on Connor McDavid for what he did to him? And, you know, he would have seen that like, a million times as a spectator in a game and maybe 2 million times as a. As a goaltender in practice. But there it was, Connor McDavid flying right through the middle of the ice. And I think that could have been prime Marty Brodeur, and he still wouldn't have gotten to that post to make that save. Like, there was no one making that save. And then Stuart Skinner, even after the game was talking about it, he goes, I've seen it so many times, I just don't know what you could possibly do. Like, I didn't want to overplay it, but he goes, next time, I'm just going to be aggressive, and I'm just going to go for it. And, like, I don't know if you get a next time on that one, man, that one happens pretty quick.

[Sean McIndo]

I. Look, I'll just say this I kind of can't believe. And I'm, I'm. I'm very happy that they both teams started the guy after the trade because I was putting together the. The newsletter that went out Tuesday morning, so I'm putting it together on Monday. And at that point, they haven't announced starters yet. And I was like, you know, this is a good angle. The two teams are playing each other a few days after a trade, but they're not gonna start.

[Sean Gentili]

These guys. They never do.

[Sean McIndo]

Goalies are such, you know, fragile little snowflakes that they're not gonna. Maybe we'll get one of them. We're not gonna get both. And we did. And that made it great. That made it. It was the most intriguing game of the night, for sure. And yeah, hopefully you bet the over. Under of nine and a half because it. It hits. And yeah, both teams, I'm sure, feel. Feel amazing about their new goalies after.

[Frankie Corrado]

Okay, so if we were, like, if we had to guess the score prior to this game taking place, and we looked at who was in that and we said, it's Skinner vs. Jari, it's the Oilers vs. The Penguins, would anyone have said it was going to be a 3, 2 game, or did we automatically go to, like, the 5, 4, 6? I think.

[Sean Gentili]

I think I specifically would have said 6, 4 Oilers. Like, I should have actually done, like, the exact score bet. If I, If. If I would have had the. Had the interest in tracking that down.

[Sean McIndo]

It was going to Be six to four or one to nothing. That would have been the other option. One of those nights where the hockey gods go, oh, you guys all think, you know, all right, we're going to flip it the other way. But no, 3, 2 was the last score that it was going to be. No, we knew we were going to get something. I was hoping for a goalie fight. Didn't work out, but, you know, maybe next time.

[Frankie Corrado]

Okay, so now that this trade is made, like, you know, we'll see how, like, there's a. There's a lot of hockey that needs to be played, and playoffs is the big one. Like, no one's going to be judged on their regular season success now that both these, you know, goalies are in different areas. And really, we're watching Jari more than Skinner. Like, that's where all the eyes are going to go. Like, for me, how much better does Jari make the Edmonton Oilers or how much of an improvement is he over Stuart Skinner? Like, if I had to put that in a percentage, am I thinking, like, 10% at the most? That's kind of how I feel. And if that's. If Jari plays well versus Skinner playing well, because we have seen it where Stuart Skinner in the playoffs last year against Vegas, last year against Dallas is sharp and dialed in, and, man, he can. He can really do it for you. But the highs and lows, like, the lows are really low for him. I think Tristan Jari has a higher ceiling as a goaltender, but Stuart Skinner is more proven in the playoffs. So how much better can we possibly say the Oilers are at this point? Although I give them a lot of credit for finally making a trade and saying, we're going to do this.

[Sean Gentili]

You got to do something.

[Frankie Corrado]

Change for the sake of change.

[Sean Gentili]

Yeah, I think that's.

[Sean McIndo]

That's it, right? Like, that's. That's one of those GM cliches. We don't make a change for the sake of making it.

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[Sean McIndo]

You needed to here. Going in to the playoffs with Stuart Skinner as your number one again was not something that would work. And. And I'll. I'll say, look, I'll say two things here. That it sounds like they're in conflict, but I really don't think they are number one. The Oilers absolutely had to make a change. They absolutely needed to move on from Stuart Skinner and bring in somebody else who could be an upgrade. Absolutely had to happen. If Stan Bowman, for some reason couldn't find a way to put this together, we would have all been all over him. And rightly so. That's point one. Point number two. Stuart Skinner is not as bad as he's made out to be. Stuart Skinner is not some bum that was the sole reason that the Oilers didn't win multiple Stanley Cups. You know, Stuart Skinner had his ups and downs, and some of the downs certainly cost that team, but, you know, he's. He's not a bad goaltender in this league. So.

[Frankie Corrado]

You're right.

[Sean McIndo]

I, I get why the Oilers had to do something. Certainly. I mean, I can't. Me and guys like me have been banging this drum for over a year now. You've got to go out and get a goalie. I, I can't turn around now and go, oh, why? Why'd you do that?

[Sean Gentili]

Not that one.

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah, but maybe not that one. And, and that's. That's part of this, is the timing on this. It's. It's only mid December. We've got a couple months to the deadline. Is there a scenario where if Tristan Jari isn't presenting himself as a clear upgrade, I mean, the Oilers do still have time to make another move. Do they have the assets to do it that they have the cat? I, I don't know about that, but maybe there are scenarios here where Stan Bowman isn't completely locked in here, but clearly he. You only get so many swings at it, and he took one of the swings and, and this was the guy that he landed on, and it's. I, I can't say it's the right guy, but then again, who else was out there when you've got to make a move?

[Sean Gentili]

I think the frust. The really frustrating part of Tris and Jari, of the Tristan Jarry experience is that if it's, say we're right before the Olympic break or whatever, and he's been in the tank for. For five games, that's not any kind of indicator on what he's going to look like a game from then or 10 games from them or a month from then or a year. Like, he's, he's the most volatile goaltender I've. I've. I've ever consistently watched. And I think that's kind of indicative of something that Frankie said or sort of reinforces that, that I think the floor, frankly, is. Is lower than Skinner, and I think the ceiling is maybe a little bit higher because he does have, you know, plus athletic ability for the position. I would say not. He's not, you know, he's not Mark Andre Fleury out there, but. But he's, you know, good at scrambling and he's, and he's quick and reactive. And I think to some extent you can see the argument where, you know, that'll play better for Edmonton since they're so prone to given up 10 bell, you know, catastrophic chances, you know, based on, based on what we've seen from the Evan Bouchard to the world over the, over the last however long. But man, it's just such, it's such a dice roll and even, even moving forward, you just don't, you don't know what you're getting from that guy on a game to game basis, let alone month to month basis. And I think that makes it hard to assess it in any real way and also hard to predict, you know, whatever they're going to do next.

[Frankie Corrado]

The Stuart Skinner thing, I think we all forget that he sort of got thrust into this position out of necessity. Like the Edmonton Oilers went out in for the 2022, 2023 season, they signed Jack Campbell to a five year deal at $5 million. Stuart Skinner was supposed to be the guy that plays, I don't know, 35 of those games.

[Sean Gentili]

Yeah, right, 24 games a season or something.

[Frankie Corrado]

Yeah, he was, he was not meant at the time to be the starting goaltender, but credit to him when Campbell sort of, you know, faltered out. Stuart Skinner played well enough to earn the trust of his staff at the time to say, okay, well, we're just going to go with this guy. It's an internal solution for us and at times has played well in his career, but I think we should never lose sight of that. That he didn't get like his sort of long Runway, he got thrown into the fire. And you know, how has that affected his development as time has gone on, you know, and the other thing with Jari, like I played with Jari, we played together in Wilkes Barre before he kind of arrived at the NHL level. He's going back somewhere where he's comfortable and it's familiar. It's Edmonton. He won a WHL championship. I believe he won a Memorial cup there. Like this is, this is somewhere where he should feel pretty comfortable. And if anything, you know, I think we talked about this last year with the potential of like a John Gibson trade, right, where things weren't going great for Gibson, they were fine in Anaheim last year, but it was like, you know, there was this year after year after year where you're like, okay, is he ever going to find his game again? And we, I kind of said, well, maybe he goes to Edmonton, he feels rejuvenated. You're playing with two of the best players in the world. You're on a team with Stanley cup aspirations. Like that does something for you mentally. I think there's two things that go well for Tristan Jari here, that that might help him kind of, you know, find that consistency. But I'll tell you guys quickly, like, Jari as a rookie in the AHL was pretty funny. You know, he. He would. We would start practice at 10:30 in Wilkes Barre. Jari would start practice at around 10:40 because the first warmup drill, everyone would score on him and we'd just be like, jars, wake up. Like, practice has started already. Like, let's go. Like, you just go. A low blocker, low glove, low blocker, low glock. Like, let's. Like, let's. We've been on the ice for 20 minutes already.

[Sean Gentili]

I think someone should have told him that overtime started against the Islanders in that playoff game a few years back. That's.

[Frankie Corrado]

He's a nice guy, I hope nothing but the best for him. And yeah, he's. He's always gives people the time of day. Very well thought out in his answers. You know, he gets interviewed. So I truly hope it works out for him at Edmonton.

[Sean Gentili]

One more note coming out of that Oilers game. Leon Draisettle, 1,000 points. He had four last night. It's shocking. He had a big night against his. Against his former guy. First German player, fifth fastest non North American player to hit it. The 103rd overall player to hit 1000 points, which is. Does that seem higher? Does that seem low to us?

[Frankie Corrado]

That seems appropriate to me.

[Sean Gentili]

Probably would have guessed 100 dead on.

[Frankie Corrado]

But I. I don't think. I wouldn't guess there's going to be 500 players. I also wouldn't have guessed that there's going to be 50. I don't know.

[Sean McIndo]

It feels a little high just because, I mean that. That's one per year basically, in the NHL. But obviously for the first, you know, however many years, nobody's hitting that. So I guess it's about right. I guess it's. And it's nice to see guys still hitting it now. I mean, half. Half that list is probably 1980s guys, right? Yeah, three good seasons back then.

[Frankie Corrado]

Did you guys. Did you see the T shirts the Oilers all wore after the games? Those were phenomenal. If you haven't seen it, it's Leon Draisaitl, I guess, at one of the Oilers weddings this summer. Maybe it was his wedding. Smoking a dart and they put it on the T shirt and the T shirt said something like smoking. Was it smoking his way to a thousand? Yeah, it was so good. Well done.

[Sean McIndo]

Here's my question on that. If they don't win, do those shirts still come out? Or like, what's the protocol there? Like did they get shipped to some third world country with the. Yeah, there's, you know, with Blue Jays World Series gear.

[Sean Gentili]

Kids, kids running around in Blue Jays World Series hats and dry, subtle, smoking T shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many former teammates. You don't have to name any names here, Frank. How many teammates, like ballpark would you say, would that you would classify as smokers?

[Frankie Corrado]

Like, like guys that hack darts consistently?

[Sean Gentili]

Not just like, not just like, not just like, okay, I'll tell you this. We'll bang a couple at a wedding.

[Frankie Corrado]

A few, for sure. In junior, you know, he's thinking about this.

[Sean Gentili]

I can tell. Like, I can see that. I can see the gears turning.

[Frankie Corrado]

I got to tell you this story while I rack my brain about, around how many guys would, would have hacked darts but in not consistently. It's more like if it's a night out at the bar and it goes a little deep into the night, that's when maybe see a dart or two come out, maybe a dart or three. But in junior, my first year, I didn't have a car, right? 16 years old, I don't have a driver's license. So you rely on veteran guys to give you rides. And I walk into, and you got to keep in mind like I'm 16, I'm like bright eyed, like really green. And I, I step into the passenger seat of one of the guys cars and there's a pack of darts sitting in there. And I like, I don't know. We're all athletes aspiring to be NHL players. Like, why the hell darts man? Like, what's going on here? And I, I look at him, I look at him and I go, what's going on with the darts? He goes, oh, I'm trying to quit chew. Like, okay, I'm sure that's gonna help.

[Sean Gentili]

So incredibly relatable ping ponging between nicotine products when you're trying to create one or the other. I've been there, my man.

[Frankie Corrado]

So I got a pack of Belmont Lights today.

[Sean Gentili]

The other, the other thing coming out of that game, Connor McDavid. Connor McDavid. Two goals, two assists. Fellas, he's played seven games since we floated. Maybe, maybe we'd rather have McKinnon than him, don't we? Some of us were made, some of us were maybe stronger in That I.

[Frankie Corrado]

Blame the quiz master. That's why.

[Sean Gentili]

20 points in seven games. Oh, God. He took the scoring lead briefly last night. McKinnon ended up. Ended up taking it back. So. Good God.

[Frankie Corrado]

Yeah.

[Sean Gentili]

But you're welcome. You're welcome. Edmonton, I suppose, is the way to put it.

[Frankie Corrado]

I just, I just called his game on Sunday in Montreal, and him and Draisaitl had a fairly quiet night after kind of going gangbusters the night before in Toronto. But what this guy's doing right now is he's shooting the puck. Like he's. He's actually saying shooting the puck has become an option for me. It's not option. 3. Like last night, six shots he had. Three against Montreal, two against Toronto, four against Detroit, six against Buffalo, five against Winnipeg, seven against Seattle. That's when it all started, the Seattle game, because they got shut out against Minnesota. And then after that, it's like I'm. I can get so many looks at the net because of my speed, and I'm taking them. And this guy's on fire right now. There's. He's reached that point of the season where we say, you can't slow McDavid down anymore.

[Sean McIndo]

Terrifying. Because I still maintain that that one year that he had what was 64 goals, whatever it was, and won the Rocket. Richard, like, that was. I am convinced because we all blew so much smoke up the behind of Austin Matthews as this great goal scorer that Connor McDavid was like, all right, you want to see goals? We're going to do goals this year. And then he went back to being the, you know, 150 point guy who's. Who's mostly a setup guy. If he's back in that mode now, if he's going, you know what, all right, I'll just do it on my own. That's. It might be over for a lot of the Pacific Division at the very least and maybe beyond.

[Sean Gentili]

Yeah. And like we said, we thank you, Connor McDavid, for subscribing to the show, for watching our YouTube channel.

[Sean McIndo]

Sending a ring to Sean Gentile in June because.

[Frankie Corrado]

Or just send them one of the Dart T shirts. At least you guys got extras for sure.

[Sean Gentili]

That's fine.

[Sean McIndo]

I might take that over the ring.

[Sean Gentili]

Honestly, I would rather. I would rather have that. I think. I think that's more fitting for me. All right, folks, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk trade board. We're going to talk sabers. Maybe a couple other things will pop up.

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[Sean Gentili]

All right boys, we are back. It's a little more as we record this a little more than two days from the trade freeze. It starts on December 19th. It lasts until December 28th. And also like kind of crucially, it's the deadline for someone to be moved in a salary retention trade while maintaining eligibility to be moved in a second salary retention trade. This, this sump or this, this spring, whenever the, when, whenever the trade deadline freezes. It's something we've seen more over the last couple years where you, you know, you see players, teams start flipping, flipping, guys retaining and whatever else to CBA thing. You got to wait 75 days until you can do it again. And because the way the schedule shaken out, 75 days from now will be after the trade deadline. So that's an important little Bit of business, is it? Isn't it, Mac? And do I know this is something that caught your eye?

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah. And this is, you know, if, if, if people are confused or what. This is one of those things that's in the new CBA that the CBA doesn't take effect for a year, but they fast track some of the stuff because, you know, it's the NHL. If you can make it, if you can make trading less likely and make a, you know, make the rumor mill less fun for fans, you got to do that as soon as possible. You can't wait another year. So, yeah, this is a. Yet another way to tie the hands of GMs. And you're gonna hear it like in January, and you're going to hear GMs go, oh, we can't do double retention anymore. Well, I mean, you can, but now's the, now's the time to do it. And, yeah, we'll see. I'm not. I don't have my hopes up. We're going to see any, any major moves, but maybe not. Maybe, maybe they'll surprise us. They showed us last Friday it actually is possible to make trades during the season. So.

[Frankie Corrado]

But you know, you know what feels like it's more possible and it seems like it happens more often than a big trade. Like, the Quinn Hughes thing is such a massive, colossal thing. That's almost like a. It's a one of one. It's an outlier. It's like, guy is unhappy with situation, so he goes to the team and says, hey, can you guys move me? GM says, well, we'll try, but you kind of make too much money. So no one wants to take on your contract, so you want to terminate it, and then you'll sign for pennies on the dollar somewhere, and that's probably how you end up going somewhere else. Like, it feels like that's been. That's sort of been the workaround this year in a couple of different scenarios. But I almost wonder now because this rule is in place and there's not that much happening. And like, quite honestly, as much as I just said, like, teams don't want to overspend on players. They're not in the same kind of cap crunch that they used to be, where they had to have, you know, all this double retention going around. I kind of just wonder if it's like, it's obsolete in a way. Like, we're just. We don't need to do the double retention. And if you do, then, yeah, you have a little bit of Runway that you have to do it.

[Sean Gentili]

Yeah, it's, it's less of a necessary thing, maybe this year than it has been in the past, but it can still affect prices, I think, and it might, it's not going to stop a deal. It's certainly less likely to stop a deal from getting done, which wasn't the case in the past, but it could affect the overall package, which is kind of where I'm, where I'm looking at on it. Like, I. Here's a, here's a great example. Just talk for a while about the Jari Skinner trade. No salary retention in that, which is kind of wild on, on Kyle Dubas and the thing. So that's, that's decent work by him. But because there was no salary retention at all, that means that if he wants to, he can trade, say, Brett Kulak down the road and it doesn't have to be in two days. Like, he could do that. He could do that in February and still, and still make it happen. So it is, it's interesting. It's in the weeds, but I think it is, you know, it's an interesting piece to have on the board moving forward. And it's just, whatever. It's just, it's just, it's, it's fun to talk about trades since we never actually seen them because they're just so hard. They're so hard to do.

[Sean McIndo]

Who complained about salary retention?

[Sean Gentili]

Someone did.

[Sean McIndo]

But, but who's, whose problem was it? Because if, obviously, if I'm a contending team, if I'm a buyer, I like it because I can get somebody and fit them under the cap. If I'm a seller, in theory, I like it because it, it broadens the market of teams that can get my, you know, five million dollar guy, because we can knock the price down a couple of times. And if I'm one of the teams in the middle, okay, I spend some money, I get a free draft pick out of it. I don't. I would love to know who had a bug up there behind and said, not only does this need to be in the cba, but we need to fast track it.

[Sean Gentili]

Well, it's like, it's like ltir adjacent, right? It's like cap circumvention adjacent, where people were just so, you know, angry and pissed over, over the, the, the Gold Knights continuing, you know, machinations there that I think stuff like that just kind of got, got, got dragged along Tampa Bay, too.

[Frankie Corrado]

The thing about the LTIR was you had to be a team that was willing to play a large portion of your regular season without a star player and know that everything is going to be okay. And trust me, other teams could have done it, but did they have the appetite for what would. What could have gone wrong if the Toronto Maple Leafs decided we're shutting down Auston Matthews for four months, five months, and we'll see him come playoff time? I don't know. But those teams had the appetite to do it with whether it's Stone or Kucherov. And not everyone sort of has that appetite. I Wonder, like, to DGB's point, like, there's a GM group chat out there. Who's the.

[Sean Gentili]

I'm sure it's like, fun likely.

[Frankie Corrado]

Who's the most likely to say, I need to speak to the manager? Or like, who's the Karen of the NHL GMs that has to go to Gary and Bill and say, how are we allowing the double retention to happen? Like, who is that?

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah, it's some GM who's like, guys, my. My fans and my media and my owner are asking me why I'm not making trades with this double retention. Get it out of here. We got to fix this so that nobody expects me to do my job. But yeah, you're right. There's. There's a group text, group chat with all of them, and then there's a separate group chat with the ones who actually get to. Because remember, like, Kyle Dubas wasn't even allowed to talk his first few years when he went to these meetings. I'm guessing on. On job number two, he probably is allowed to, you know, maybe make a facial expression at least every now and then. But, yeah, I wonder. So if you're an NHL GM listening to this and you're like, no, no, there's only one group chat. I got bad news, man.

[Sean Gentili]

This is just. Yeah, then you're. You're not in the good one. This is the equivalent, like, anytime stuff like this comes up, I think of situation at a restaurant. Like, it's. It's like the old bit from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where Dennis orders their food from them or orders their food or orders orders off the menu for them at the restaurant. I just assume it's. It's just like Doug Armstrong or something being like, yeah, he'll have the. He'll have the. He'll have the fettuccine Alfredo. Actually, when it comes.

[Sean McIndo]

Does Yarmo get to order his own stuff now?

[Sean Gentili]

Good question.

[Sean McIndo]

Or like, because he's grandfathered in from the decade in Columbus, or does he go right to the back of the line. And, you know, he's. He's sitting there with Ken Hughes and whoever else.

[Frankie Corrado]

What a. What a weird. Like, what a whole weird transaction. Like, when Jarmo gets hired, Kevin Adams has to be looking over his shoulder thinking, like, yeah, my replacement is literally sitting right next to me, and if things start to go south, like, you can see the writing on the wall as far as what's going to happen. But I texted. I texted my buddy, Marty B. Ron, and I said, pick up.

[Sean Gentili]

Pick up that name all you can.

[Frankie Corrado]

Yeah, I said, marty, it must be so depressing being a Sabres fan. And he said, why? I said, constantly, you have the opportunity to start this thing with, like, a blank canvas and bring in, like, I don't know, like, people. A team that, like, can get this thing going, right? And they've messed it up so many times, whether it's coaches, players, general managers, and here's the opportunity again, and you're just going to bring in. And maybe he's gotten better. Like, maybe. Maybe he's learned from what's gone down in Columbus. But you're going to bring in a guy who's kind of known for, I don't know, like, is it shooting from the hip in Columbus and doing some things that were questionable and not bringing that team anywhere? I don't know, man. It's. It was weird. Like, you have this great opportunity, and it feels like you're almost just throwing yourself right back to where you were.

[Sean Gentili]

I think Yarmo's tendency to act, like, say what you will about his time in Columbus. I mean, the dude had a prejudice for. For action, right? Like, he wasn't. He wasn't afraid to make moves. Say what you will about the, you know, the efficacy. The efficacy of those moves. But I think that's. If I'm a Sabres fan, that's, like, the solace that I take, is that you have someone in the chair now who, you know, actually seems like their default setting is to do stuff. And that is not. You know, I know we're. We're. I know we're thinking of the. Of the Josh Norris and Dylan Cousins trade, maybe put that off. Put that off to the side. But ultimately, Adams's issue there was that he just didn't. There was paralysis there.

[Sean McIndo]

That always did.

[Sean Gentili]

See.

[Sean McIndo]

Always waiting. Yeah. And I mean, that's. That's certainly not unique to Buffalo, but that wasn't the Yarmo cackle, linen way of doing things in Columbus. And no, of course, they didn't all work out. He Was there forever. I mean, you're going to find some things that didn't work. Obviously the Mike Babcock situation, he wears that. But that's the one that.

[Sean Gentili]

I'm sorry, like I forgot about that.

[Frankie Corrado]

That one. No, but that's the one that sticks out to me and I'm like, it's a fireable offense when it happens and then to like two years later essentially say you're our guy. When there's a lot of very talented, smart individuals sitting out on the sidelines. I guess, I guess that's the one that I can't wrap my head around.

[Sean Gentili]

This is, here's, here's, here's what I'll say about that. I totally agree. You like Yarmo is. You know, I try not to use the retread word because that makes people angry, but you know, he is right. Like, like he was a replacement level GM in Columbus ultimately. But I think when you look at the way things had worked in Buffalo and Matt Fairburn has done a great job of, of laying this out on the site really over the last couple years starting starting particularly last off season when it, when the question, you know, the, the fundamental question to the story that Matt wrote is like, how does Kevin Adams still have this job? Basically the default mode in Buffalo was the basically not it was. It's. It basically to not hire anybody. You know, you have, you have Kevin Adams, a guy who'd never done the job, whose rise to that job was, you know, completely, completely non standard. And then the people that he had working under him were, were also you know, not experience in any real, any real way whatsoever. So I feel like when you look at the way the Sabers do things, you know, the fact that they even made this change is kind of, is kind of shocking because it truly felt like Kevin Adams was going to have the job for, for life despite, despite the results.

[Sean McIndo]

So if this is what it took.

[Sean Gentili]

To get someone else in the job, the most uninspiring, you know, mid level replacement level dude in, in, in. In Yarmo. I think the Sabers fans should, should just take it. You say like, yeah, this guy wasn't great. The he had the humiliation of the Babcock thing on his record, like so be it. We probably weren't going to do any better because of the shackles that have been placed on them by, by, by, by the ownership.

[Sean McIndo]

Well, that's, that's it. And you know, you can say, well there's. Would there be better candidates out there? Maybe fresher sets of eyes Maybe somebody who hasn't already been around the block a few times. Yeah, maybe. Of course, Buffalo's tried that, right? You know, not just Kevin Adams, which was a weird kind of out of left field hire, but they did Jason Botteral, they did Tim Murray. They have been, you know, trying to get the, the young up and coming gm, and it hasn't worked. One thing I do like about this from the perspective of, of a Sabres fan is Yarmo's been there, I think, the right amount of time. Right.

[Sean Gentili]

He's.

[Sean McIndo]

He was hired in May as an advisor, so he wasn't. He hasn't been around so long that you just point at him and say, well, he's just part of the problem. I mean, you know, you see teams do that sometimes where they say, oh, we're, you know, it's not good enough. We're gonna fire this guy, but we're gonna promote the assistant who's been there for five years and in theory was part of all these decisions. Anyways, that's, that's not the situation here. But he's at least been there long enough that unlike bringing in somebody brand new right now in December, he's not going to play the card you would hope of, oh, I got to get the lay of the land. I need six months to figure out what's what and what's going on and, you know, to really see everything with my own eyes. He's had his six months. He should be ready to go and ready to hit the ground running. And at the end of the day, you know, could there have been other candidates out there? Almost certainly. What's the lineup look like of people who want to work for Terry Pula in this stripped down front office?

[Sean Gentili]

This is. Beggars can't be choosers for Sabres fans. Honestly, like, would it be great if.

[Sean McIndo]

It'S the middle of a season? Where you would it be? You're not getting someone else's assistant or, you know, something like that. That's off the table. So.

[Frankie Corrado]

Well, you'd have to hire someone who's not currently working. Right, right. And then that's, that's a totally different pool. And how long have those guys been out? And then you're talking about that six months. Lay of the land. Right? That. So he does have a head start, I guess. Now, like, if you're a Sabers fan, you're like, please just save us from whatever this is. But I, I don't know. I'm sure there's Sabres fans that look at this and they look at the standings and they say that's probably where we're going to be. That's.

[Sean Gentili]

No, I don't.

[Frankie Corrado]

Like how likely is it that we're moving up?

[Sean Gentili]

I, I sat there and just quasi defended it for, for like, I do. I think it's going to work. Like. No, I don't, I don't think this is going to work out for Buffalo. I. But I think like, given the totality of the situation and how much of a joke it has turned into over the last couple of years, I'm like, okay, you might as well, might as well roll the dice on this one. And Frank, you kind of alluded to this. We did. Both you guys did really. We saw Yarmo come, come in and he said specifically about Alex Tuck. I think that's the kind of talk that if nothing else like that should bring some degree of relief to Sabres fans where Alex Tuck, he's, you know, almost a point per game player. He's been the most reliably, you know, the most, the most consistent, well rounded forward certainly on, on that in that group for the last couple years. Local guy, yada yada. He's a, He's a pending UFA. He's number three on, on CJ's new new trade board. Yarmo comes in and says, like, I'm gonna take charge of this. So like now saying that and doing it are certainly two separate things, but the fact that he's, that he's at least capable of coming in being like, in saying in one way or another, like, this is a mess. This has gone on too long. I'm going to figure out what we're going to do asap. Like that represents an actual upgrade on what the Sabres had been getting for the last few years.

[Frankie Corrado]

At the end of the day, like that, taking charge of that means I'm going to open the pocketbook. That's what it means. Like you can convince Alex Tuck to stay in Buffalo and sell him on your message if the price is right. So you're going to have to find a price because he ain't taking a discount. And if anything, he probably wants a little bit above market value. And Dregs was talking yesterday on Overdrive here in Toronto that Alex Tuck wants Adrian Kempe money, which is north of $10 million. Like all the contract sort of projection companies that we, we use to, to nail down these things. No one's really suggesting north of $10 million. So if, if Yarmo's taken charge of this deal, you can guarantee it starts with a 10, and it only goes up from there.

[Sean Gentili]

The Bills probably need a second wide receiver for next season, so Pegula's got his money. Yeah.

[Sean McIndo]

One last thing, just on Yarmo that. That makes me, again, gives me a little bit of optimism if I'm Buffalo, because we've. We've been. We're all kicking Kevin Adams when he's down, and that's. Look, that's the nature of it, right? It's a tough job. You get evaluated for the success. Wasn't there. I will say one thing in defense of Kevin Adams. He was right about the palm trees and the taxes and all that. I realized that felt like an excuse. And everybody got mad and they, you know, fans brought the inflatable trees and all that, which is very.

[Sean Gentili]

They're still mad about that, by the way. They're not getting over that one.

[Sean McIndo]

But he's right. He's, you know, Buffalo is not a desirable place for players right now, and they won't be until they start winning, which was what Kevin Adams was making at his point. I would argue that if you're looking at comparable markets, I'm not sure there's a better comparison for Buffalo than Columbus. Another smallish market, doesn't have the weather, doesn't have the tax benefits and all of this other stuff. The fact that you're getting a guy from there. And by the way, you know, he. He did okay attracting players. He got Johnny Goudreau to go to Columbus. Not bad for, you know, for a market that wasn't supposed to be on anybody's list. So, you know, at the very least, you've got it. It to me, if you bring in somebody from Tampa and suddenly they're going, okay, I'm going to do all the same stuff we did with the Lightning. And, oh, wait a second, why is nobody picking up the phone?

[Sean Gentili]

You got. You got a different. You got a different toolbox that you're.

[Sean McIndo]

Working with challenge here that is not unique to Buffalo, but is, you know, something that doesn't exist everywhere in the league. And they've got a guy who's used to working under that situation and in theory at least, knows how to handle it.

[Frankie Corrado]

To give him some credit on some of the trades that he's made, like, he's taking advantage of some situations, right? So he traded for Severson, I believe, at the time, New Jersey, like, they. They couldn't afford that contract anymore. They traded for provorovations going back. Like, they traded for Matthew Olivier, who's become a really Good player for that team at the time I getting. He traded Voracek for Cam Atkinson. I don't even remember if Voracek was playing at that point. Anyways, I'm going back in time, but those are a few like right off the top. The. Olivier's become a staple there and Proverb and Severson are, you know, obviously good, talented defenseman. So it's not like there's a horrible track record. It's just he's also showed that he's.

[Sean Gentili]

Like whatever, it didn't always work. But he's shown. He's showing the guts with Duchenne and Panarin and Bobrovsky and rolling the dice on, on rentals in some way which like if I'm the Sabers man, I'm. I'm taking it. But man. Frank, you said it. It always. It comes down to the money the Blue Jackets. The Blue Jackets spent to the gap and the Sabres have not. And that is the single most difficult thing to overcome. If you got a cheap owner, it doesn't matter what sport it is. Like if that's, if that's the way it goes and if you have the reputation for, for you know, being a place where guys aren't going to get paid, bad stuff happens. And I could go into a 15 minute long monologue about the Pittsburgh Pirates as it relates to the Buffalo Sabers.

[Frankie Corrado]

But the just in on something. Were they in on. They were in on a big time player.

[Sean Gentili]

We're not. Well, we'll talk, we'll talk off mike about this. That's. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's me.

[Frankie Corrado]

We're in there, man. Here the Pirates come up, you're like, what? No, they're not.

[Sean Gentili]

They. They were offering Kyle Schwerber less money than he was certainly going to get on the open market. It was complete, complete, complete fugazi nonsense. We can. Like I said, we can.

[Frankie Corrado]

We can text about it was AI generated.

[Sean Gentili]

Frankie, before we let you go, I have, I have. I have one question I want to ask Quinn Hughes back in the news. Obviously he's got. He's got a new team. Minnesota's 2 and O with him 112 goal differential. So it seems like. Seems like Quinn Hughes pretty good at hockey. The. The specific thing I wanted to ask is that a new group of people are being exposed to the insane way he gets. He gets over the bench when he like swings his entire. I'm like if, if. Yeah, if you're lit. If you're listening, I'm drift. I'm drifting out of phrase here. Like, he. He throws his whole. Throws both legs. Throws. Throws both legs over the side. So people who did not know that that's how Quinn get on the bench are getting exposed to it now. And I need to get. I need to get the X player.

[Frankie Corrado]

And now, now the Minnesota Wild are like, must see hockey, which I. Even with Caprice off there, the Minnesota Wild were never really must see hockey. But it's our last show for a little bit, and this is something that I sort of develop as the year goes on. I like to watch every team early, right? So I watch all 32 at some point early in the season. And then I sort of develop like a do not watch list. And it's. It's derived from my golf do not playlist. You know, people invite you to certain courses and it's like, oh, we're playing at this course today. I'm like, not going. That's. That's on my do not playlist. So you watch some bad hockey and you're like, that team has a very good chance of being on my do not watch list at some point this year. Maybe we get into the new year, we'll let another month play out. We do the top five do not watch NHL teams in the new year. What do you guys say?

[Sean McIndo]

I love it. I love it.

[Frankie Corrado]

And we left so many people off.

[Sean Gentili]

Rick Talkett, you were on the clock.

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah.

[Sean Gentili]

You got. You got a month.

[Frankie Corrado]

I did get more interest. I did their game last night. I did Philly, Montreal last night. This is the kindest compliment I could say to the Philadelphia Flyers. They are terrible to watch, but they're actually not a bad team.

[Sean McIndo]

Frankie says hat down over his eyes the entire game.

[Frankie Corrado]

Yeah, that's a compliment if you say that to a coach. They're walking around.

[Sean Gentili]

Oh, my God.

[Frankie Corrado]

They're gonna.

[Sean Gentili]

They're giving you a hug. That's. That. That's a nice thing.

[Sean McIndo]

He's so happy. By the way, all the listeners out there, save your jokes about the former Maple Leaf playing so much golf that he has, like a list of courses he doesn't want to play anymore. You're not going to be the first one to get there, so don't bother.

[Frankie Corrado]

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for that.

[Sean Gentili]

Merry Christmas, buddy.

[Frankie Corrado]

I'm all right, boys.

[Sean Gentili]

Like I said, I'll send you a 15 minute long audio note about the Pittsburgh Pirates and we can disconnect for. For a couple weeks and enjoy. Enjoy your time away from us.

[Frankie Corrado]

All right, boys, take it easy. Have a good.

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[Sean Gentili]

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[Sean McIndo]

What have we learned, Sean? Yeah, for me it's, it's not so much what I learned, but I was reminded that Joe Bowen is awesome. Love Joe Bone, voice of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Long time TV and radio voice in his final season got got his flowers last night was honored a pre game ceremony before the Leafs took on the Blackhawks and very cool. Just a good dude. I think every, every market has that one like local broadcaster that is maybe a bit of an acquired taste or you know, maybe it's, it's not the other fan bases don't, don't quite appreciate as much but as a Leaf fan, I love Joe Bowen. I've met him a few times. He's always been very nice, even though I stole one of his catchphrases. Always makes the same joke about how he's gonna send me an invoice or get his lawyers involved. That's, that's so far has not so. Yeah. Thank, thank you to Joe Bowen for uh, for everything especially being a voice of a lot of very cool moments over the years. And it was really nice to see, see him honored and really nice to see the Maple Leafs be fired up and go and play seven good minutes at a 60 for him last night.

[Sean Gentili]

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[Sean McIndo]

It was enough.

[Sean Gentili]

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[Sean McIndo]

Sometimes yes, sometimes sometimes no. But I gotta say like I, it's. My experience has been overwhelmingly positive. I mean that's, that's one of those things where when people find out what you do like A lot of times they think you've got like inside dirt and like, okay, who's a jerk?

[Sean Gentili]

Who's.

[Sean McIndo]

The list is very short because most people are pretty. Including some that maybe come across differently. And then you meet them and you're.

[Sean Gentili]

Like, oh, he's actually a cool guy. I like him.

[Sean McIndo]

I know, dude. I remember, I remember talking to you. We won't say the name and I don't even know if you remember this, but I remember talking to you in a press box in God, we're, I think in Calgary. And we ended up in a three person conversation with somebody who is not always super well liked online. And they walked away and you were like, I hate that. That guy is such a cool guy. That's, that's, that's too bad.

[Sean Gentili]

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[Sean McIndo]

You're like an actual person, not just a Twitter account.

[Sean Gentili]

Damn.

[Sean McIndo]

Occasionally makes people mad like that.

[Sean Gentili]

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[Sean McIndo]

That's later.

[Sean Gentili]

Saucy. Saucy stuff for Dylan. For, for Dylan Strom. I think we're probably at the point now where Dylan Strom. I think I. Connor Bedard's injury makes it a lot more likely that Dylan Strom is, is going to be able to cheer for Canada.

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Gentili]

Let's just say that.

[Sean McIndo]

Well, I mean the, the, the Connor Bedard injury gives cover for Team Canada to do what they were probably already going to do, which was one guy. And the fact that Macklin celebrate. I mean, geez, you saw what he did last night. He's. He's certain certainly putting the finishing touches on whatever the argument is. But yeah, I mean good old Tom Wilson. And, and here's my question.

[Sean Gentili]

17 goals in 33 games, man. Like it's, he's making it.

[Sean McIndo]

When they put Tom Wilson on Team Canada, are they going to mention the, the, those missing four feet of ice, is that going to somehow be spun?

[Sean Gentili]

I think that might, I think that might come up as a, as, as an ad hoc justification for. Sure.

[Sean McIndo]

Okay. That's good to know that they've got their, their system is so finely tuned that they enter in the, the rink size and they adjust it and then it spits out. Oh no. Actually it's. Tom Wilson is going to be on there.

[Sean Gentili]

Team Canada has a 35 person front office for the Olympics. I guarantee, I guarantee more than one of them. After finding out that Connor Bedard has an upper body body injury and is probably going to be out until after the roster deadline. There were people who were relieved in that room. There had to be.

[Sean McIndo]

And he's going to be healthy for the Olympics.

[Sean Gentili]

The roster deadline though. The roster.

[Sean McIndo]

Gosh, I don't know.

[Sean Gentili]

Think of the roster deadline, Sean.

[Sean McIndo]

New Year's Eve, baby. I didn't have any plans that night.

[Sean Gentili]

That's.

[Sean McIndo]

That's fine.

[Sean Gentili]

What's going for me this week? You gonna. Got anything good on the way?

[Sean McIndo]

Yeah, I got. I got a few things including one where this is. This is something that has somebody asked me a while ago. We're gonna do all time teams. Team Canada of Canadian players playing for Canadian teams versus American players playing for American. American teams. Who you got? We're going through the whole roster and then we're maybe a mailbag on Friday.

[Sean Gentili]

Oh, man. We. Can. We get. We. We get Quinn on the roster now. Oh, yes.

[Sean McIndo]

That's exactly that. You know. What is that? There was a whole. The. After the post hoc newspeg. The Classic. Yeah, that's. That's always a good one. I don't know, man. Does Quinn, Does Quinn qualify? Does he. Not if there. There was some dispute. I'll leave that. I'll leave that to the reader.

[Sean Gentili]

I can't believe I am shocked you haven't done this already. This seems like something that.

[Sean McIndo]

That should say that I always worry about that.

[Sean Gentili]

This should have been on the blog spot in 2011 or whatever. Dude.

[Sean McIndo]

It might have been.

[Sean Gentili]

If I, If I dig it up, I won't say anything. All right, folks, there's. There's five games tonight. We got a double header on TNT and the States. That's Utah, Detroit and then Devils, Vegas.

[Sean McIndo]

I'll watch.

[Sean Gentili]

I'll watch those games.

[Sean McIndo]

That's.

[Sean Gentili]

That'll. That's. That. That's good enough to hold my interest. Enjoy that and enjoy your holidays. That's it for me and McIndo until. Until after Christmas. Frankie return. Yes, of course Frankie will return.

[Sean McIndo]

Happy holidays.

[Sean Gentili]

We'll talk to you soon.

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[Sean McIndo]

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[Sean Gentili]

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I'm not.

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