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Max Boltman
This is the athletic hockey show.
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Haley Salvi
Hello everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Athletic Hockey Show. I'm Haley Salvi and alongside Max Boltman. This week, Sean is at Disneyland, but he's gonna join us later in the show to chat about the Edmonton Oilers and Anaheim Duck. Shayna Goldman's gonna stop by to vibe check the first week of the NHL playoffs as well. But first, Max, I'm very glad that Sean's out this week. He is traveling for the first round. Like I said, he's at Disneyland. We'll see if he even ends up at the game. He's gonna have so much fun at the park all day. He's gonna be too tired. He's gonna need a nap. But I'm glad you're here because I owe you an apology. Last week we did our Eastern Conference preview and I scolded you pretty harshly for not respecting the fun that Penn's Flyers would be. I was wrong. It's terrible. And not just because the Penguins are down three nothing in the series and they could get the boot on Saturday. Don't really care that much about that. Penguins have been outscored 11 to 4. I tuned in in the second period. I was like at the gym or something. Missed the first, Made some dinner. Turn on the game. I see two shots on goal. I was like, did I accidentally start this from the beginning of the game instead of going live? Nope, nope. Just two shots on goal in the second period. It has not been great. Like, the best moment of that series has been that funny little video of Sidney Crosby in the penalty box with the Flyers fan.
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Max Boltman
That was excellent. The little knowing, like, yeah, yeah, you're right.
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Haley Salvi
So here's the thing. I'm sorry. I was so wrong. I was so wrong. Dude, that was brutal.
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Max Boltman
I would love to bask in that apology, but I can't for two reasons. Number one, I said it was going to be a boring series because the Pens were just going to take care of business, and the exact opposite has happened. And number two, the series that I was arguing with you over is also a 3, 0 series. Carolina and Ottawa. And the most interesting thing in that series has been the Senators banishing one of their own fans to Taiwan over a music video. So I can't really take a whole lot of credit either. So I guess. I guess that the. The lesson here is that we don't know everything that we're talking about here.
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Haley Salvi
No, no, definitely not. Like, I actually had this moment too. And maybe you're a great person to ask about this because you spend so much time with Corey Promenade, Scott Wheeler. This can be like a mini prospect series. Love it segment here. Did. Did I not pay attention or was Porter Martone like, not hyped up enough?
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Max Boltman
He was pretty.
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Haley Salvi
Watching this guy and I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Who is going to tell me that this kid was going to come in and lead the Flyers and scoring in the first round of the playoffs?
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Max Boltman
Well, that.
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Haley Salvi
Can I blame Corey Promen on my ignorance is what I'm saying.
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Max Boltman
Both Scott and Corey love Porter Martone going into the draft. But I do think throughout as the year went on, like part of playing in college hockey is that you're not going to have that like 145 point season that everyone can get really excited about in the CHL, right? Like, those are obvious things. Oh, he scored 65 goals this year. No, in college hockey, it's like pretty good if you're a point per game. Player or a little over that. And Porter Martone was a very good player on a very good team. Michigan State team. I don't. I think everyone is surprised at how fast and how impactful the impact and how fast that impact has come. So, you know, when Porter Martin got eliminated, it was like, yeah, he's going to join the Flyers. But I think, I don't know if it was on this show with you guys or if we did it on a different episode, but we talked about like, you know, we saw with Ryan Leonard last year and Zeve Bouilliam last year. You can be a top prospect. You come in. It's really hard to be a difference maker in the playoffs. Porter Martone heard that and said, watch this. And he has been absolutely excellent. He's been one of the Flyers best offensive players. He showed some all around game too. It's not just been, you know, puck touches and shots on goal. So very impressed by Porter Martone and you know, we talked about him last year as high as, I think like three or four in that class on the prospect series. That certainly looks like where he belonged.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah, I just had this moment of like, I feel like I knew everything about Matty Veneers when he was coming out of college and I haven't heard. I just felt like I hadn't heard quite as much. And maybe that's just because Gavin McKenna is getting so much of the oxygen right now in the prospect sphere or I just wasn't paying attention. Like I can own that.
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Max Boltman
I think your podcast, your podcast co host Sean. Yeah. Has always been a big Matty Beniers, I think believer since very early into into Matty Beniers career.
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Haley Salvi
So maybe that's why let's blame my ignorance on like everyone else.
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Max Boltman
Yeah, that's.
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Haley Salvi
That has worked for me for over 30 years now. I don't take accountability for anything. All right, so this. That's a joke. It didn't land. You didn't even laugh. So now I just kind of.
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Max Boltman
I just, I just thought you were transitioning.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah, no, I was. All right.
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Max Boltman
On this episode of Summer House.
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Haley Salvi
Yes. Seriously, if you want to go on for 15 minutes, we can talk about the Bravo verse in Scamander.
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Max Boltman
I don't.
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Haley Salvi
I will be Andy Cohen for the day. Sean will join later and he will be all over it. All right, so the sens do lose two nothing last night. That's one Thursday night. Excuse me. They go down three nothing in that series. Let's. Let's get into that a little bit. The big thing from that game. Jake Sanderson. He leaves in the second period after a hit in the head by Taylor Hall. Hall was assessed just a minor penalty. Huge loss, big. The Ottawa Senators, if they lose Jake Sanderson. When we did our preview a week ago, one of the big things we discussed was Jake Sanderson and how he's going to be critically important to the mix. Like if they're going to. The Sens. Were going to suppress shots or suppress chances against the Carolina Hurricanes, who often tilt the ice against their opponents. Jake Sanderson is going to be a huge reason if the Suns have success in. In those areas. Right. He played 43 minutes in that double OT game on Monday. This is a team that's already without Art and Artem Zube. He got hurt in game one. They finally get Tyler Clevin back, but just a huge loss in Jake Sanderson. That to me kind of clouds even the fact that they're down three nothing is. You're not now you're down three nothing potentially without your best player. Most important player, I would say.
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Max Boltman
Yeah. And this has been such a frustrating series from Ottawa for Ottawa in general. I mean, this was the series that, that I thought, like I said off the top, was going to be the most entertaining. The games have been close, but that doesn't amount to much when. When one team just kind of can't get it over the line. And I mean that literally and figuratively. You know, Ottawa's had some posts, they've had some pucks that they've gotten behind Freddie Andersen that have just stayed out. It's been a remarkably frustrating series for the Senators and I don't think they're that far off, but you do see a little gap and you see how tight the space is out there. Carolina does not give up anything easy. It makes it essential that you take advantage of the opportunities that you do get against them. And Ottawa has come up in some cases an inch short, in some cases like less than an inch short. But it amounts to a 30 lead for the Hurricanes. And when you, when you don't have Jake Sanderson now to your point, that's an extremely difficult hole to. To dig out of.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah, there was like a pretty big missed shot from Tim Stitzel on an open net in game two. Like the game was closer and kind of air mailed one and then he hit the post in the third. I think in game two. Shayna and Harmon, we'll talk to Shayna later in the show, like we said. But they had a great, like two early takes. From the first round so far. And one of them is just sends forwards aren't getting it done. Stutzler attempted seven shots on Monday night in game two against the Canes. Only two actually reached Frederick Anderson. So this is kind of where like the Corsi bowl jokes come into play. It's just the Canes do a better job getting those shot attempts in the back of the net or at least on the goaltender it seems.
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Max Boltman
Well, and part of that is like Logan Stankeven has just been aces. Logan Sankovin the Carolina scoring in all three. Absolutely. But like my, like Carolina has not put their usual 38 shots a night on goal here. Ottawa has played its game I think pretty well. But like you said, the. The key is you got to take advantage and. And Logan Stankovin night after night is giving them a 10 lead and it allows them to fade into what makes them so difficult.
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Sean Gentile
Right.
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Max Boltman
Like Logan Sankovin scores first in all three games and then Carolina can play from a position of strength. They can clog the middle because they know that they might only need one goal or no more goals the rest of the way. The line of stank of and hall and Blake has been the best line in this series by a mile. Yeah. And it's just. It's made things. The game script I guess is not a word we typically use in hockey as much as we do in like football. But the game script has been very favorable for the Canes.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah, for sure. And I think like Lena Sol, Mark, like you said, the Canes or the Sens aren't playing terribly defensively like they are making it tough for Carolina and Linus all Mark has been solid but the Sens aren't able to score. Like if Olmark's only letting in one goal, two goals. It's basic math. You still gotta score two or three and that is proving to be very, very difficult. If I told you Carolina.
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Max Boltman
Yeah, like if I told you at the start of this series that through three games Lina's Almark would have a.933 save percentage, what would you have guessed that the. The series score would be right now? At least two to one sense.
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Sean Gentile
Right.
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Haley Salvi
Right.
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Max Boltman
But Freddie Anderson has been even better. And that has been a gutsy move we talked about with Jesse on Monday. Gutsy move by Rod Brenda Moore. Obviously he's more experienced than Brandon Bussey, but Bussy had kind of taken the net as the year went along for Carolina. He makes the switch and Freddie Anderson's making it pay off in just a huge Way.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah. And it's good to have a goalie like that have confidence heading into the stretch run, especially if Bussy hits a snag somewhere. You want to know and trust that you can go to Freddie Anderson. So classic Rod Brindle, Moore master class. In the first round of the postseason, it's looking pretty good. Saying, yeah, the ABs also up three nothing in their series. They went last night against the LA Kings. McKinnon and McCarr have just one point in that series each. That's despite the ABs outscoring the Kings eight to four. And this is where I'm going with this because I don't necessarily think we need to break down that game because it's another series, like, where you're just like, okay, see, we'll see you in the next round, abs. I'm not trying to write off the Kings, but they finally just scored at five on five the other day. Do we think any of these series could go past four games, or are we looking at three teams that are about to get sweeped when we're looking at the sends, The Kings and the Penguins?
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Max Boltman
I still think Ottawa can find a way to one. I mean, these have all been. They've. Honestly, they've. They've been tight games in both of those two series. LA, LA, CO and Ottawa. Carolina, I think Ottawa has, but it's just, you know, it's very hard for me to see any of them actually getting to, like, a game six at this point. Like, the class has looked, whether it's by a mile or by a little, it's been consistent enough that. That Carolina, Colorado, and oddly enough, Philly have just been that much better than their opponents. We should talk about the Philly Pittsburgh series a little bit as we talk about these sweeps, because this was the one that I thought Pittsburgh would get done in, like, five games. The Philly defensive structure has made it impossible on the Penguins, and I don't think the Penguins have, like, looked good enough either. Like it. But. But I think a big part of that is how bad Philly has made them look. They are not allowing anything. This is a completely bought in and committed Flyers team. It is so impressive to watch.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah. And I think Sean tried to make this point in our Eastern Conference playoff and I just ignored him. But he'd said, like, we gotta. We gotta consider, like, Tyson, Forrester, Porter, Martone, like, Forester's coming back. Martone's gonna be in the lineup. Like, this kid shoots the puck more than most guys in the NHL. Forester's great. D.A. da da da. Like I don't think we quite got the full, like we didn't project the full Flyers team that we're seeing in the playoffs. It was just like, oh well, he's coming back. We'll see how he looks and we'll see how this kid looks in the postseason. They've been great. The defensive system's been great. That's credit to Rick Talkett and the buy in from the players. And we also said, I have to say like, we acknowledged that the Flyers had the more young, skilled, fun roster and that they had better goaltending. The difference for us was Sidney Crosby. We failed to consider Sidney Crosby not looking very good in this first round. It has not been a great playoffs for 87. And I think I have to acknowledge that as well because that for me I was just like, don't care that the Flyers are younger and better. They've got Crosby and that has not meant a whole lot as they're down three nothing.
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Max Boltman
I don't know how to account for it because that was the one thing I was sure about in this series was that yeah, Philly might, you know, they've got good depth, they've got great team defense, but they have limited scoring and the Penguins have kind of the ace in the hole that they can put the Crosby match matchup out there against any of the of the Philly Lions and they will just own possession the whole way and you know, just hasn't played out that way. And I don't know how to put my finger on why Philly has been able to neutralize one of the five to 10 best players of all time who's still clearly a very good player, had a very good season I think is one of the big reasons that the Penguins are in the playoffs right now. Although he did miss some time late in the year. Maybe there's some lingering effects from that. It's a hard one to quantify. But yeah, that series has been the most surprising to me in the way that it's taken on. And it's funny to go from saying I think the Penguins win it easily in five games to now saying like, I don't know, would you be more surprised if the Penguins force a game five or if the Kings do based on how those series have played out so far?
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Haley Salvi
Ooh, I would be more surprised with the Kings.
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Max Boltman
Those are all one goal games. Like, like LA's been in these. Like they, they've found a way to keep Colorado fairly quiet.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah, but there's just something and like, it honestly, like, my gut wants to tell me that all three of these teams are getting swept. Like, but there's a part of me that thinks like, the Penguins have to muster something.
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Max Boltman
Yeah.
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Haley Salvi
In game four. Right. Like, right. But we haven't seen that yet. So part of me thinks that all three are going to get swept. Like, even for this. If the Sens play game four without Jake Sanderson, it's going to take Chuck actually scoring and not just fighting and Tim Stitzlit hitting the net. Like, I'm not trying to sound like a hater, but things aren't going great for some of their top forwards. Like, it's going to. You're going to need more than a Drake Bathurst goal here and there. Like, Brady doesn't have a point yet in that series. So if the Suns are going to win, they're going to have to do it without Sanderson and they're going to need Brady to. To step up in a big way. Not just when it comes to like pulling the dudes into the fight kind of stuff. Like score, goal, make a play, get on the scoreboard. And then for the Kings. I just. I don't know, I kind of feel bad because it's like, you know, you finally don't have to play against Edmonton the first round and now you've got to play against the ABs who don't need McKinnon and McCarr to be productive to beat you. So I'm going to go like bold, hot takey and say they all get swept.
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Max Boltman
I don't hate the take. I mean, the thing that the Penguins have is that when you talk about needing your captain to step up and produce out of after not having done so in a series, you certainly like the Penguins odds to do that. The best of those teams. But again, we said the same thing coming into the series. Phillies shut down.
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Haley Salvi
I know. So that's where I'm at is like, part of me wants to say that the Penguins will show something, they'll do something, but we haven't seen it yet. We got to talk about the Buffalo Sabers, but let's save that for Shayna Goldman because she's going to join us next. Her and Harmon, as we said, they have this great eight two early takes from the NHL playoffs so far. Buffalo Sabres have a big one over 35 on the power play. I thought that was a typo when you texted me that, Max. Nope, it's true. We'll talk about that with Shayna next. It's not great.
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Haley Salvi
All right. Welcome back to The Athletic Hockey Show. Shayna Goldman dropped her eight two early takeaways from the NHL playoffs yesterday with our colleague Harmon Dial. She's here now to break it all down with us. And, Shayna, we're going to put you on the spot here because Max and I just maybe made some terrible takes in the first segment. Do you think any of the teams down three, Nothing right now? That's the Senators, the Penguins, the LA Kings. Can they make not just a comeback, but, like, win a hockey game in the first round of the NHL playoffs? Shayna. What? What do you think?
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Shayna Goldman
No comebacks coming here. These teams are all losing in round one. But I think the hurt. The Senators could potentially steal one game if they can figure out Frederick Anderson and finish a chance or two, because it feels like they're the only ones. That's, like, sticking in games a little bit more like the Kings. The games are tight, but I don't think you watch any of these games going. The Kings could really win here. You're like, okay, maybe they have an opening and then they still just don't.
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Max Boltman
The Kings, to me, have felt like the team that's like, hey, you're.
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Sean Gentile
You're.
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Max Boltman
You're giving them your best shot and it's just not enough. And that's just happening over and over again. Where I do think the sense have had some. Some bad luck moments, but you also have to. You got to make your own luck to some extent. I have to say, though, Shayna, we're going to need to do an episode or maybe at least just a segment sometime this summer where we just go shelf by shelf on your backdrop. There is something on every single one of those shelves that I want the story behind. So put a pin in that. We'll get to that. That's an August episode.
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Haley Salvi
Is that a hot dog? Is it a candle or just a sculpture of a hot dog?
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Shayna Goldman
So it's. It's a hot dog candle. I got it as a gift. And it's funny, when I was hoping
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Haley Salvi
it would be a candle.
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Shayna Goldman
Yeah, it was a birthday present for my friend Joe because it was glizzy summer and Michael's had this line of candles, so we had bought this tart one already, and Rich didn't want the hot dog, and I was really upset by it. I'm like, we need this. But it's so cute. It comes out every spring.
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Max Boltman
Hot dog scented, I assume.
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Shayna Goldman
Yeah, I wish. That would make my day.
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Haley Salvi
None of wax. Yeah.
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Shayna Goldman
Yeah, they have, like, cereal bowl ones. I was thinking like, oh, that's cute. So I don't think they're really burnable candles then. I think they're just there for the vibes.
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Haley Salvi
And I have a candle shaped like a rigatoni noodle and it's like a prized possession of mine. Yeah.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah.
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Max Boltman
All right, let's do the Buffalo series here because.
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Shayna Goldman
Oh, we don't want to talk about glizzies for the next 10.
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Max Boltman
Let's go look bonus content for sure. But the Buffalo Sabers go into Boston last night and I thought this was their best performance of the series so far last night. I mean, they, they trail once again. That seems to be kind of going to be their M.O. here. But Alex Lyon gave him a big time performance. Noah Oslin came into the lineup and gave him a big time performance. If I had told you that the Buffalo Sabres would start These playoffs over 14 on the power play, would you have thought that they had any prayer at a 21 series lead?
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Shayna Goldman
Not really. Because I think the only time we've seen a team have that bad of a power play, right. And make it all the way is like you go back to the 2011 Bruins and they were perfect in pretty much every other regard. I felt like you'd have to create some of your own luck on the power play. Like you said, like you can't win games without that. And in this series, especially like early in series, right, because when the playoffs start, we see a lot of penalties get called in games 1 and 2 and 3 and 4, and then as series roll on and get tighter, it's fewer and fewer penalties called. And then as rounds go on, it's fewer and fewer penalties called. So you can get through the later stages of the playoffs without a great power play a little easier than you can the beginning. So the fact that they're doing it while going over 14 and struggling to even establish zone time on the power play and it's killing their momentum and definitely impressive.
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Haley Salvi
I feel like we're talking about a lot of games in series where the power play isn't clicking though. Like every game I'm watching, there's at least one team where the announcers are talking about how the power play hasn't been very good. Like the Edmonton Oilers. And we'll talk about that with Sean coming up. That's a struggling power play that is historically very good. We've got the Buffalo Sabers like just special team. And I think part of it is just that we're only two or three games into most of the these series. But when you zoom Out a little bit. The Sabers are now over 35. Like, this goes back to the regular season. That has been a power play that has not been clicking for several weeks now.
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Max Boltman
And, and just specific to Buffalo. Right. Like, the reason that I, I bring that up with them is like, we knew that Jeremy Swayman had the potential to steal this series for the Boston Bruins. He still does. Like, the Bruins are very much still alive in this series. I, I don't think they're, they're too far behind the eight ball here, especially with game four at home. But my point is like, that's part of Jeremy Swayman stealing the series is like shutting down a Buffalo power play that can, that can get. Has the players to get humming. They haven't done it since March 31st. So, yeah, maybe, maybe I shouldn't say that. There's surprise that they're continue to struggle on the power play. It just felt like an area of the game they had to win in order to solve. Jeremy Swayman, who is one of the two best goalies in these playoffs. Shayna.
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Shayna Goldman
Yeah, I mean, he was arguably the best goalie of the regular season. And when you look at the Bruins down the stretch, like, sure, they had these really impressive win against contenders, but then you look at it and go, was it Jeremy Swayman against the world? And it kind of was. And then you look at their play down the stretch again, and there were some defensive issues coming up for the Bruins, and Jeremy Swimming just consistently has been incredible. So, yeah, he could steal the series and the power plays. A big reason why, because when the Sabres finally do enter the zone and that, that right there is a problem in itself. I have taken so many notes on their regroups and the drop passes in the neutral zone and the way the Bruins are just breaking things up. But then they finally do break through a couple times and get some pressure on the power play, which you would think, okay, at the very least they could build momentum off that. And here's their chance. They're here in the zone, they can do it. And Jeremy Swimming just comes up with big save after big save. So it's a potential momentum killer for sure. And it's a way he can just, you know, keep playing to his strengths too. It's that confidence booster that he's going to close the door every time they're on the advantage here. He definitely has the potential to steal the series. And it feels like that could be something as. As the games tighten up and as the players get more aggravated with each other and Take more penalties, which I'm sure is going to happen here. Right, like you're going to have it. There's a lot of physicality in this series and it feels like it's only going to amp up from here. So when you get those power plays, you have to make the most of them. And he could just keep stopping as
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Haley Salvi
much as, like, Jeremy Swayman has been great. When we were talking about this series and when we've talked about the Bruins over the last little bit, it's like the conversation's very much been about Wayman's great. They are, you know, playing better than we would have thought. The retool has been great. Don Sweeney did a good job. Pavel Zaka, like, we're talking about all the little bits and pieces that have worked out very well for the Bruins in the ways in which they've been unexpected. But within all of that, have we just completely forgotten and underrated David Pasternak?
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Shayna Goldman
I feel like that's an easy thing to do, honestly, because we, like, take for granted what a great scorer he is. And he's like this incredible goal score. He has a lethal shot, but also he's an amazing playmaker. He's so good in transition. I feel like those elements of his game kind of go under the radar a little bit too much. And he is a game breaker in this series, too. Like, if you look at both teams on both ends of the ice and go, who's the best skater, right? Take out the goalies from the equation. So Swayman's not here. You're going to have a good conversation of, is it David Poshnach, Erasmus Dahlin? And I think you could really go either way, depending on what you're prioritizing. But this is probably the best skater in this series right now is David Boshnock. So once he gets going too and scores a little bit more here, who knows what it could open up. I don't think he's getting enough attention because I think we're focusing. Like you said, the small things and also the mistakes. You look at last night's game, your takeaway is either Jeremy Swayman looked really good and it wasn't enough, or it's, you know, that Lower Eye and Lindholm pair was a real problem for the Bruins. They're going to have to figure that out. Instead of being like, when? When are we going to have that David Poschnock game?
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Haley Salvi
Let's move on to some. Now, I shouldn't say I don't. I think the Bruins Sabers series is like the best of the bunch from last night. However, some of the series and the games from yesterday, they're not my favorite as we've already talked about it. Penn's flyer is not great. Kane sends underwhelming for us Abs Kings kind of meh. So I want to move on to the ones that are a little bit more fun with you, Shayna. And top of the list for you, it's Vegas Utah, right? That's one that you've got circled like that's been appointment viewing. Why is that?
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Shayna Goldman
It's all, all three of the games that'll be on tonight there. It's like these are the ones to lock in for and I'm glad, I'm glad there's like going to be a little bit of space and it doesn't feel like, hey, there's the potential of two seven o' clocks rolling over into Vegas like the other night. I think it's a fun matchup because you have, you know, a newcomer to it. We've been waiting for that franchise back when they were Arizona and almost made the playoffs. And now that it's Utah to get into the playoffs and see this young core do some damage here and I like the way both games have gone a lot because you watch game one and you see in the beginning Utah speed was on display and it's like, okay, they're going to play to their strengths because I think a lot of teams get to the playoffs after having great rush based seasons and all of a sudden start panicking like this is not how you win in the playoffs. We hear it all the time. You have to be a great four checking team and you have to be able to grind it out. You do. That helps. Yeah. But if you, if you throw away what got you here after 82 games, you're in even more trouble. And it feels like Utah came in hot and then Vegas adjusted, right? Vegas looked like they settled in for that third period. They were the battle test team. They started for checking more, they upped the physicality and it worked for them and Utah didn't panic. And I love that for game two that you saw Utah go right back to, you know, moving the puck a ton and I think they were better at not being too cute with that and just thriving in transition. And you saw that on the game winning goal from Dylan Gunther and Logan Cooley where they're surprisingly beating Jack Eichel, who's one of the faster forwards in Vegas and also Shea Theodore. So we always knew the speed could be what separates these two teams. But it felt like on that play, even this, you know, the faster guys on Vegas are getting beat by these exciting young guns in Utah.
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Max Boltman
And part of it goes back to like Logan Cooley, despite being fast, exciting, skilled player, like this is not a soft player at all. Like, don't let the size fool you. Logan Cooley will go to the hard areas of the ice. Like he is kind of a can do it all, can play in any situation type of player and he's showing that. Like I think his, his brand of offense does carry into the playoffs and that's been proven through the first couple of games here. Yeah, the Utah young guns are a force to be reckoned with here and I still think Vegas finds a way in the end. I think the ability to put together a line Shayna of Mitch Marner, Jack Eichel and Mark Stone is unbelievable and that should be a chess piece that is too good to overcome in the end of this. But I'm gaining huge respect for Utah and I think they can make this a long series.
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Shayna Goldman
Yeah, I mean I did pick Utah on this year, I'm going to be honest. So I'm still going to lean with them. But like you said, Vegas has all of the pieces to be a contender. It's just figuring out except for the goaltending, they have all the pieces in front of the blue paint to be a contender. And it feels like it's just a matter of mixing and matching the right way. They started with that top heavy line and then midway through game one, we saw them shift away from it and that actually helped them more. But they know that they have that break in case of emergency option which not every team does. Right. Like for Utah, you look at it and go, I see how the top six fits. I'm not sure they have all of these combinations. They know, okay, flip a switch and you can go to this and everything will be fine again. Like maybe, maybe there are combinations like I'm overlooking here, but it just feels like Vegas has that little extra X factor.
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Haley Salvi
We're going to talk with Sean about the Anaheim Oilers game slash series that continues tonight in California. So Shane, and maybe we can talk about in my opinion, like the best series of the east and it's not even close. I don't know if it's a big debate, but that's Tampa, Montreal, that series continues today. 7:30 puck drop. Because like you said, they're actually pacing the games out. What do you make of that series so far and is that does that top your list of appointment viewing?
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Shayna Goldman
I think so. Right now. I. I think so. It's been so exciting through two games, and I think we all knew it had the potential to be based on their regular season matchups. And there was one down the stretch where they were just going after each other the whole time that you're like, yep, I'll take seven games of this. But also, it's like. It's so fascinating because we have a couple series here where it's like, here's a young version of their opponent, like, looking at their future selves across the way, and it feels like Montreal, Tampa, is that more than anyone else. There's so many similarities in the way that they play. The similarities between particular players like Kucherov and Demidoff, where you're like that. That's what you want to, like, aspire to be. And in Game one, you say, okay, well, Tampa made a lot of mistakes. Also. Montreal forced them into those mistakes, which you wouldn't expect from this young team. And you could have seen where, you know, the Josh Anderson goal gets overturned, there's a penalty immediately on Montreal. Tampa Bay converts on the power play. That could have been, like, the game right there. It could have been the series right there. Honestly, not to be dramatic, but it's that Tampa knows how to win, knows how to flip the switch. They've been here before, so those kind of sequences could just work in their favor. And Montreal battled back in a huge way to take that game. But I think in Game two, we saw the Tampa Bay we all know them to be, and that's this experienced team that can thrive in that kind of environment, and they up the physicality. But most importantly, it was just the way they played in overtime was in complete control. They're forcing turnovers, they're getting their chances. And the Canadians were just playing from behind the whole time. So it'll be interesting to see how Montreal adjusts that for Game 3, especially with the vibes of being in Montreal for this game and how Tampa's experience plays to their favor here.
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Max Boltman
Did Montreal even get a shot on goal in that overtime the other night in Game two?
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Shayna Goldman
I think so.
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Max Boltman
I mean, it went long.
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Shayna Goldman
I know they had zero chances.
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Max Boltman
Yeah, it was. It was a Tampa masterclass. Now, the one thing I'll say, like, and I fully agree with you, like, this was Tampa clicking in. We've been here before. We know what to do here. Little signs of some poise from Montreal that have been very impressive to me. Lane Hudson loses his stick on A play in that game. And they're defending a dangerous Tampa. The Braden Point lines out there. Guys are offering Lane Hudson a stick. He waves it off, and what he does is, without a stick, he just goes and glues himself to Braden Point. Now, it helps that it's a guy like, in his weight class. I don't know that he could have done that to, I don't know, Anthony Cirelli necessarily. Sorelli is not huge either, but he goes stride for stride with him, and he does not cede any ground to Braden Point. What be what could have become like a pseudo power play for the Tampa Bay Lightning resolves itself, like, pretty unconsequentially for. For the Montreal Canadiens. And I was very impressed by that with Lane Hudson. For a guy who, yeah, he's. He's played a playoff series before, but he has pretty limited playoff experience and. And the smarts, the competitiveness to kind of handle that situation the way he did, I was very impressed by. That's the kind of stuff that stuff happens in the playoffs, and plays like that can end your season. I thought it was a great job by him to not let that one kill them. Obviously, they still lose the game, but. But just those little signs that this Montreal team is. Is ready for the moment a little bit. They can kind of solve these problems on the fly.
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Shayna Goldman
Yeah, and Lane Hudson's a perfect example of this because in every which way you would assume, like, if you go by traditional standards, like, he's not a playoff player. Right. He. If anyone's going to nitpick him, it's about his defense as much as improved this year. It's his size, it's that he's not gritty. And this play just, like, shows he's smart. He anticipates well. He has great foot speed, he's really evasive. He can stick on players like Point, who's a fantastic skater, too, one of the best in the league. So it just shows, you know, we need to, like, throw those ideas out the window because here he is in year two, made massive improvements from year one in his own zone. He was honestly in the Norris race even without playing the toughest workload in the world because Noah Dobson could take those minutes. And now he's doing the playoffs without Noah Dobson in the lineup, which is even more impressive that he's done it through two games so far. But the. No panic in that situation, the calmness, the poise, and just overall, he makes such smart decisions in how to defend these top players that that alone could be a momentum builder for the Canadiens. And it's also just a huge step in his development for it for all of that regular season play to now transfer to this moment because sometimes with young guys, that doesn't happen. Like you think about Wyatt Johnston two years ago. He has this playoff breakout the year before. He was great in the regular season. It didn't carry to the playoffs. He looked kind of overwhelmed by teams like Vegas and Edmonton. And then here he comes the next year and he is the breakout star. So I feel like we could be having that conversation about Hudson. Like, I don't think he looked bad last postseason. He was a great offensive spark, but he also didn't have to be as great defensively because it was against a team like the Capitals against Lightning. Like, you cannot make those mistakes because they have, you know, two top lines that could beat most in this postseason.
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Haley Salvi
Especially it's been a great playoffs for the breakout candidate. To your point, Shayna, whether it's Elaine Hudson, Uri Slavkoski, Porter Martone, who we talked about already on the show, Matt Savoy, we can talk to Sean Gentile about that next. So, Shayna, thank you so much for the time. There's a great story from shane on her 82 early takeaways from the NHL postseason. Also, six players opening eyes with their postseason performance. If you want to dig into that a little bit more with Shanna, you can read those stories on the Athletic. Shayna, thanks so much.
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Shayna Goldman
Thanks for having me.
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Haley Salvi
All right, let's take a break. Sean Gentile joins us next from Disneyland. Must be nice.
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Haley Salvi
All right. Welcome back to the Athletic Hockey Show. Sean Gentile joins us now from Anaheim, California. Disneyland, I've been saying an unspecified Marriott
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Sean Gentile
property very close to the entrance to Disneyland. Yes. Yes. That is where I am.
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Haley Salvi
Is it close to the Downtown Disney or the actual park?
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Sean Gentile
The park.
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Haley Salvi
Oh, my God. Are you gonna go?
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Sean Gentile
Almost went last night. I was ready to watch the draft.
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Haley Salvi
Okay. To like Downtown Disney.
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Sean Gentile
Yes. I got in, I had to do a little bit of work, which, you know, very inconvenient. Doing work on a work trip. I had to do a little bit of work that stopped me from actually buying a ticket going into the park yesterday, which I briefly, like, kicked around. But now I ended up just going elsewhere. I went to, I went to the Cheesecake Factory to eat my dinner and watch, you know, 15 picks of, of the NFL draft.
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Max Boltman
I like to imagine that if you like, pop into a dive bar in Anaheim, like, Donald Duck is just in there, like blowing off steam after a
- [41:16]
Sean Gentile
long time without going, without going too far until initial choice that I made last night. I popped into a dive bar in Anaheim and did a 180 and walked right back. Donald Duck was nowhere to be found
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Haley Salvi
smoking a cigarette.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah, right. Yeah, he's, he's like, he, he parked his, he parked his bike in the back and, you know, he's wearing a leather jacket and banging cigs. Yeah.
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Haley Salvi
I've always liked that road trip, though, because then you can go to the little Downtown Disney and just go for a little walk, have a very expensive lunch, get an ice cream shaped like Mickey Mouse, and I then leave.
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Sean Gentile
It's like the weather's gorgeous. There's, there's a lot of sunshine and, you know, yeah, there's a Cheesecake factory and a McCormick schmix and in a Bubba Gump shrimp company just lined up like one after the other. So perfect.
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Haley Salvi
All right, so tell us the most important stuff about this series, Sean. And let's start with the rotiss chicken that was thrown on the ice.
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Sean Gentile
Oh, my gosh. I've been efforting in a very big way to get more information about this. There's a chance, depending on who calls me back today, that I will have some kind of definitive, definitive take on what happened in game two. Yeah, there was a. There was an Oilers fan who brought what appeared to be either a rotisserie chicken, possibly. Well, people guessed that it was duck. That it was like a cooked duck, like. Or whatever. Like, like, like duck. Like, duck. Like. Yeah, actual, like, duck breasts that he bought at the store. And then. But I have it on some pretty good information. Again, I'm trying to get this confirmed at some point today that it was, in fact a rotisserie chicken. That this guy came in and said, like, I have a rotisserie chicken that I'm going to throw on the ice in the third period if the ducks are up. And he.
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Haley Salvi
Just to scare him. Just to freak him out.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah. And I. Joel Quinville freaked out initially. Like, he was. He was on the bench, like, kind of understandable. You don't like seeing stuff thrown on the ice in any. In any situation. But he, like. I guess he caught it out of the corner of his eye or something because he was like. He was. He was losing it. We thought in the press box that it was like a soda or a beer or something just because of the way it scattered. And no one really thought twice about it, but it turns out, yeah. That it was. That it was food.
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Haley Salvi
And again, it looks like a rotisserie chicken based on the carcass laying on the ice that I can see.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah.
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Max Boltman
You can't throw things that are gonna scatter like that. Like, that is a safety risk.
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Sean Gentile
It looked like. It almost looked like in a. The press box. You guys know, there's the press box.
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Haley Salvi
There's skin, there's grease, there's pieces of chicken everywhere.
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Sean Gentile
Also, like, the press box in Edmonton is like, in Calgary. Right. Like, it's. You're really, really far away. That building isn't incredible, and it's a great place to watch a game, but you are way, way up, so you couldn't really get, like, a great look at what it. What. What it was. Exactly. So I just thought it was a beer or something, but it wasn't. And I'm trying to try to get some more info before we get too far out from it. We shall see.
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Haley Salvi
What about the actual games,
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Sean Gentile
The big narrative coming out of game two, and. And this is true for a reason, right? Is that it was a power play game. And it was, you know, Anaheim scored a couple power play goals. Edmonton's power play looked relatively clueless and then gave up a disastrous shorthanded goal with in the third period. And it was all McDavid just having a brain fart in his, in his own zone. Like he wheels around and kind of throws this backhand pass to nobody that bounces off the boards. And Alex Korn scoops it up. Ryan Paling is, is. Is already in pretty deep for what. What turned out to be a crucial goal. I think that made it four, two, right. So you have just general ineptitude from the, from the Oilers power play on one hand and then two, you have this catastrophic mistake that, you know, kind of swings the game. It, it, it turned out to it it gave Anaheim a two goal lead, which they needed all of, right? So that's what all the questions post game were about. Chris Knobloch cop to it. He was like, you know, we lost this game on special teams basically. And I think that's what people are watching most closely, right? Like McDavid got. McDavid did get injured, left the game for a couple of minutes. People are watching that. But he generally looked okay when he was on the ice. I think what people are watching most acutely here is, is what Edmonton's power play look like. Because, you know, two games, small sample size. I think the top units only been out there for like nine minutes or so. So you got to like have these asterisks next to all that. But also they look pretty bad.
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Max Boltman
The McDavid of it all, I think is the, that's like the key thing here because obviously he's a key narrative figure in this series. And I thought you laid that out really well coming in. Also just doesn't look like himself. And I mean, that's the one thing that Edmonton can't afford in this series. I think they can survive almost anything as long as that guy's right. And that guy does not look right.
- [46:24]
Sean Gentile
Yeah, we know what he looks like when he's cooking, right? Like he's taking that drop pass from Evan Bouchard further back in the zone. He's. When he's already picked up speed. And then that's how they make their zone entries on the power play. In a perfect world, right? Where he's, you know, in fifth gear by the time he makes it to the, to the blue line, it's effective. They've been doing it for years. It's not a surprise to see it. Well, that hasn't been working for One reason or another. Like, I think the. I think the Oilers are success or the Ducks rather successfully playing them pretty closely. Another interesting wrinkle to all this is that Jay Woodcraft is on staff for Anaheim, which is huge, and they've been asked about that. And they, you know, I think they realize that Woodcraft is bringing maybe some old state secrets into the, into the Ducks coaching room, which, which helps, but, yeah, ultimately it's just a matter of execution. I don't, I don't know that you can go too far into guessing that Woodcraft has, you know, the secret sauce here. I think they're just defending them really well to the point where in the last game we saw Edmonton actually try to do some stuff differently with entries. Like they've, They've. They've actually had, you know, dry Seidel kind of along the wall, and he's the guy who tries to get, who tries to get the puck to, to McDavid when he's in, when he's in full flight. So, yeah, they, they have made some changes. I'm still just not ready to bury that unit just yet. Just too much talent, too much production over the years. And it's also really similar to something we saw in the first round last year against the Kings where there is, you know, where there were major power play struggles by the Oilers in the first two games, and then they score two in like 13 cumulative seconds in game three, end up going on to win that series in four despite, you know, being down two zero. So I'm not ready to freak out about it, but at the same time, like, it. It is. It is something to track because it's been noticeably, noticeably rough on their end.
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Max Boltman
On the other side of this, like with Shayna, we talked about some of the, the young guns breaking out in these playoffs. And Cutter Gaultier feels like he absolutely belongs in that mix with what he's
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Sean Gentile
shown so far, 100%. It was funny because he was a total non factor in game one too. Like, like he was like not noticeable on, on the ice or on. In game.
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Max Boltman
Game one. Yeah.
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Sean Gentile
Yeah. No, no shots in game one, which is crazy for him. He's one of the top volume guys in the league. I think he's only second to Brady in, in shots per 60, which is crazy. He said pregame ahead of game two that, you know, he, he was. Every question that he answered, he somehow rerouted back to just, you know, I got to shoot the puck more. I got to shoot the puck more. Well, we saw it in game two. And I think we saw what makes him such an interesting young player is, yeah, he's got volume and he's got a knack and really a focus on shooting the puck as much as possible. But also when the puck, you know, when he does take those shots, I think he's also got an idea of where to place them. So we saw, you know, power play goal from him early, another one late. You know, that's, that's serious stuff. And I think it's indicative of the kind of player he is and should be moving forward for sure.
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Haley Salvi
Is there any level of concern beyond the power play, Sean, in this series being tied 11 after 2, or is it just like they're not going to go, what, 16 and oh on the way to winning a Stanley Cup? You're going to lose a couple. But the fact that it happened so early against a team that hasn't been great defensively in the NHL this season. Right. A team that struggled heading into the postseason. Is it a little concerning that the Oilers are tied and not up in a meaningful way?
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Sean Gentile
I think so. I think they're, they're generally pleased with their five on five play. Like they've, they've said that to a man really, over the last couple days. I'm not 100% sure I agree with that. I think the most effective line that we've seen from them is obviously the dry Saddle Podcles and Kapanen line. Those guys have been great dry. Seidel does not look like a dude who just missed a month's worth of hockey. Certainly, certainly didn't in game two. But I think it's been a mixed bag elsewhere at 5 on 5, and that's not the way it should be. Like they should be generating more, you would imagine, against a Ducks team. Haley, like you said, it was just genuinely bad defensively. Like yet again, it's, it's a similar, similar narrative to what's. To what had kind of popped up with them under, under Greg Cronin is that this is a team that just bleeds chances and bleeds shots in their own end. And I the. The fact that, you know, Edmonton hasn't looked great at 5 on 5 is a, is a concern. Absolutely. And so are injuries. Adam Henriks hurt. He didn't make the trip. Crucial part of, of the penalty kill, which has also been very bad. Jason Dickinson is still dealing with an ankle injury that forced him out of game two after, after scoring twice in game one. You know, there's, there are some issues there. Like, I think Edmonton's absolutely the better team. But, you know, there's, there's been enough, enough problems in enough areas where I think we need to. We need to approach this with, you know, a little bit of concern on the Edmonton side of things for all
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Haley Salvi
the reasons for concern like power play. Five on five, you're tied one one. The Oilers do dodge like a huge bullet. Connor McDavid leaves the game, what, in the second period. He's on the bench. He's talking to the, the training staff. They survive that injury scare. Now comes a bigger question, like, are we going to see the world beating Connor McDavid in this series? But at the very least, Oilers fans can exhale, breathe easy, as Chris Johnson said, because McDavid did not leave that game. He. He did continue or he didn't. He continued to play. He came back in that.
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Sean Gentile
He came back. He came back. He came back relatively quickly like he was.
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Haley Salvi
He was, he was in the fun to see.
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Sean Gentile
No, especially not with the way he went off. Like he gets tangled with. Echo him and look like it. Maybe an ankle thing. Like there's, there's anytime you see that you gotta be. You gotta be concerned. Right. But I think he generally looked fine. I know we're talking about him, you know, struggling on entries on the power plan, blah, blah, but I, I didn't really attribute that to the injury in game. In game two. I think it was. It was. It was just him. It was just him not playing well. So he's does his. Does his postgame interview. He's not wearing a. He's not wearing a wrap or a boot or anything crazy on. On his foot. I. It seems like. It seems like they dodged a bullet. Now, who knows what we hear down the road. But I don't think that is an area of immediate concern. Like say the penalty kill is for Fredminton.
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Haley Salvi
All right. That series continues tonight, 10 o' clock Eastern. Well, allegedly. What time the puck actually drops?
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Sean Gentile
Just glad I'm getting a seven o' clock local start, man. Like after. After a couple eight thirties basically in, in, in. In Edmonton.
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Haley Salvi
I will say I will accept a later puck drop if it means we get to see the Duck playing the drums.
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Sean Gentile
Ben Quackfleck or whatever his name is.
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Haley Salvi
Yeah. Oh my God. Can you take a picture of him if you see him take a little video? Oh, please.
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Sean Gentile
I gotta see. I gotta see what the most excited
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Haley Salvi
I've been all day.
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Sean Gentile
I gotta see what our guy Eric Stevens is doing on that. I know that's his territory, but I
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Haley Salvi
might, I don't want a story on it. I want you to personally send me a picture and or video of the duck playing the drums. I don't care about your work.
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Sean Gentile
Gonna be pretty busy over there. We'll see what I have time for.
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Haley Salvi
I think that this should be a priority because I, I've seen them on Twitter. I've seen the clips. I, I need more of the. The duck playing the drums.
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Sean Gentile
We'll see.
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Haley Salvi
That was the most passionate I felt all episode.
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Sean Gentile
It's not a good sign for Max.
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Haley Salvi
All right, that game's at 10 o' clock Eastern. Vegas, Utah, 9:30, and of course, Tampa Bay, Montreal at 7. A nice little schedule of NHL hockey on this Friday night. Sean, thank you so much for doing this. Max. Thank you, Shayna. Thank you, everyone. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Athletic Hockey Show. Enjoy the three games tonight. Max has our next episode on Monday. Bye, everyone.
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