Nobody likes the 65-game rule - The Athletic NBA Daily

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Episode: "Nobody Likes the 65-Game Rule"
Date: March 25, 2026
Hosts: Dave DuFour & Zena Keita
Guest: Carter Rodriguez (The Chase Down Podcast)

Episode Overview

This episode of The Athletic NBA Daily digs into the growing criticism of the NBA’s 65-game rule for postseason awards—a rule now at the center of contention among players, fans, and the NBA itself. Hosts Dave DuFour and Zena Keita examine recent statements from the NBA Players Association (NBPA) targeting both the league's anti-tanking efforts and the unintended negative impact of the 65-game threshold. Later, Carter Rodriguez joins to break down the Cleveland Cavaliers’ recent form, the James Harden experiment, and their playoff trajectory.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The NBPA’s Critique of Injury Management and the 65-Game Rule

Criticism of the Bucks’ Handling of Giannis Antetokounmpo

[02:32] Dave introduces the NBPA’s unusually vocal stance, highlighting their statement condemning the Milwaukee Bucks for not playing a healthy Giannis.
- NBPA statement: “The player participation policy was designed by the league to hold teams accountable and ensure that when an All-Star like Giannis is healthy and ready to play, he is on the court…ownership goes unchecked.”
- Notable Quote:
  - Zena [03:57]: “That is the money maker right there. And honestly, doesn’t that sound oddly familiar to something that Nafisa Collier of the WNBA did just a summer ago…calling out leadership and calling out ownership?”
The hosts connect this public stance to similar activism seen in the WNBA, suggesting the NBPA is taking a page from their counterparts in demanding more vocal accountability from ownership.

The Impact on Fan Experience and League Integrity

[04:52] Dave and Zena emphasize the disconnect between player desires, team asset management, and the fan experience.
- Dave: "If the team is the one that's stopping the guy from playing, what are we even doing here? How is this even a conversation?"
[05:45] Zena points to the visibility of such decisions and questions: "It's becoming so obvious to the fan…You don't want people to tank, but you're sitting him out to protect an asset. What's the true essence of this rule here?"

Player-Participation Policy & Cade Cunningham’s Award Eligibility

[06:48] The hosts spotlight Cade Cunningham as another casualty of the 65-game rule.
- NBPA Statement: “Cade Cunningham’s potential ineligibility for postseason awards after a career defining season is a clear indictment of the 65 game rule and yet another example of why it must be abolished or reformed to create an exception for significant injuries.”
They reference a Reddit post that retroactively applies the 65-game rule to past seasons, revealing its absurdity (e.g., Kawhi Leonard’s 2019 championship year wouldn’t qualify for All-NBA).
- Zena [08:16]: “Think about some of the most unbelievable performances over the course of a season not being given the credit it’s due…It’s almost turning injury into punishment.”
- Dave [09:13]: “The rule was supposed to be punishing basically taking a break, taking a rest. Punish the tankers too, right?”
[10:04] Zena summarizes: “It’s really about giving credit where credit is due and not punishing these players just because of the timing of injuries and needing to get back to health.”

2. Cavaliers Check-In: The James Harden Experience & Playoff Outlook

Cleveland’s March Performance & Health Issues

[12:55] Carter Rodriguez describes the Cavs’ four-game win streak as “muddling their way through March,” noting injury issues—especially Jared Allen’s extended absence.
Carter: “Cavs Nation…[is] just not really going to know who this team is until we get to the playoffs.”

James Harden’s Fit in Cleveland

[13:35] Carter, a self-proclaimed Darius Garland fan, is surprised by Harden’s seamless impact:
- “This version of James Harden is better than the version of Darius Garland they had this year…His pick and roll chemistry with Jared [Allen] and now with Evan [Mobley]—I was kind of dubious…but with James, he's been phenomenal.”
- Dave references the standout alley-oop in the latest victory and questions Mobley’s playoff readiness:
  - Dave [15:22]: “Is Evan Mobley…tough enough for playoff time? Does playing with Harden as a finisher help him?”
Carter expresses concern that Mobley’s involvement fades as games progress despite high efficiency.
- [16:27] Carter: “Even in this game, he goes 8 of 8 from the field…If Evan Mobley makes his first eight shots, he should probably get more than eight shots up.”
Carter flags Mobley’s limited playoff usage, emphasizing the need for him to serve as a consistent release valve against blitzing defenses in the postseason.

Harden-Mitchell Pairing, Defensive Concerns, and Role Players

[19:47] Carter contrasts the Harden-Mitchell and Mitchell-Garland duos:
- Harden’s gravity makes things easier for Mitchell offensively; however, Harden’s lack of off-ball movement and defensive inattentiveness raises concerns, especially as last-year’s target (Garland) is now missing.
Carter [21:36]: “If you’re asking me what I'm angsty about most though, it’s that both guards don’t really like guarding off ball.”
[23:00-25:25] Who is the Cavs’ fifth guy?
- Most likely Max Strus, but Carter would prefer Sam Merrill for his shooting, movement, and defensive reliability:
  - “It’s more about who’s not going to screw up [defensively]…and Sam Merrill has been the best shooter among the role players.”

Playoff Rotation, Initiation Issues, and Bench X-Factor

[26:41] Carter raises the question of on-ball creation against playoff defenses if Dennis Schroder isn’t in the rotation—his shooting woes may render him a liability.
- Dave [27:34]: “Once you get out of the first round…if you’re playing Boston, Detroit, I do think you have a hard time breaking those teams down…Who’s going to step up off the bench is really going to determine how far they get in the playoffs.”
- Carter: “We have to be able to win minutes with Donovan playing as our backup point guard.”

Expectations & The Pressure of the Harden Trade

[30:15] Carter reflects on success benchmarks after swinging for Harden:
- “Anything less than the Eastern Conference finals would be really disappointing. But you’re in the Four seed and four seeds often don’t make the Eastern Conference finals.”
Dave takes a harder line:
- [31:11] “I’m of the opinion that it’s conference finals or bust. If they’re a second-round out…I think you’ve got to start to question Donovan Mitchell being around…And I think that’s a question you may have to address regardless once you get to the summer.”
Carter admits the Harden trade has increased pressure:
- [31:54] “That’s kind of out the window when you trade for James, like this team…you gotta tip your cap. It would be easy for a front office to say, we’re just going to remain competent. But the swing means expectations are higher.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Zena Keita [03:57]: “That is the money maker right there. And honestly, doesn’t that sound oddly familiar to something that Nafisa Collier of the WNBA did just a summer ago…calling out leadership and calling out ownership?”

Dave DuFour [04:52]: “If the team is the one that’s stopping the guy from playing, what are we even doing here? How is this even a conversation?”

NBPA statement (read by Dave) [06:48]: “Cade Cunningham’s potential ineligibility for postseason awards after a career defining season is a clear indictment of the 65 game rule and yet another example of why it must be abolished or reformed…”

Carter Rodriguez [13:35]: “This version of James Harden is better than the version of Darius Garland they had this year…He’s been phenomenal.”

Carter Rodriguez [19:47]: “Both guards don’t really like guarding off ball.”

Dave DuFour [31:11]: “I’m of the opinion that it’s conference finals or bust. If they’re a second-round out…I think you’ve got to start to question Donovan Mitchell being around…”

Important Timestamps

[02:01] — Main content begins; introduction of the 65-game rule controversy.
[03:48] — Quote from NBPA statement about ownership.
[06:48] — NBPA’s criticism of Cade Cunningham’s ineligibility due to the 65-game rule.
[08:16] — Discussion of retroactive application of the game rule to past All-NBA teams.
[12:55] — Carter Rodriguez joins to discuss the Cavs.
[13:35] — In-depth analysis of the James Harden trade and impact.
[15:22] — Evan Mobley’s role and readiness for the playoffs.
[19:47] — Harden-Mitchell pairing: strengths and defensive weaknesses.
[23:00] — Debate about who should be the Cavs’ fifth playoff starter.
[26:41] — Discussion of playoff rotation depth and bench scoring questions.
[30:15] — Expectations for Cavs’ postseason given their current roster.

Conclusion

This episode offered a sharp, timely exploration of the problems and controversies around the NBA’s 65-game rule—a rule that’s increasingly at odds with fairness and player health, as exemplified by the cases of Giannis Antetokounmpo and Cade Cunningham. The hosts emphasized the discontent among players, fans, and media, advocating for a re-examination of policies that punish legitimate injury absences. In the second half, Carter Rodriguez’s insider perspective illuminated the Cavaliers’ post-trade transformation, rising expectations, and postseason uncertainties, especially regarding on-ball creation and defensive makeup. Both topics underscored how league policies and team management approaches are shaping the most important stretch of the NBA season.