B (2:01)

I'm Maddie. I. As Jamie said, we live in roughly in the same area. We met a year and a half ago and became friends. Fast friends. I. Many people know me from TLC's Sister Wives as one of the cast members.

A (2:20)

Really?

B (2:20)

I call you cast members.

A (2:22)

You look familiar.

B (2:23)

I'm one of the kids. My husband. I moved to North Carolina about almost six years ago. We love. It took a little while. I am married. I am expecting my four fourth child, my third baby girl.

A (2:39)

Shocker. She's having a girl.

B (2:45)

I am. I don't know. I am a mom, a wife, a business owner, now a podcaster, now a podcaster.

A (2:54)

Yeah. Who would have thought? I was actually the first podcast that got Madison to come on.

B (3:03)

It's because you're from the same area.

A (3:05)

Yeah. And I. I'm a good. I'm. I'm good at pitching myself. I feel like so. And Then we kind of just build.

B (3:14)

A friendship because we had a lot of similarities.

A (3:17)

Yeah. I'm in marketing.

B (3:19)

Yeah.

A (3:19)

So I do marketing full time. And so that kind of. We, we talk a lot about. I feel like. Is that social media marketing, Marketing in general life. Yeah.

B (3:34)

We have a lot of similarities and a lot of differences. I think that's why it works because you have such a different take on stuff.

A (3:39)

I know.

B (3:40)

And I'm like, really? Yeah.

A (3:42)

Do you have other friends that have such different takes?

B (3:45)

Oh, yeah.

A (3:46)

Yeah. Okay.

B (3:49)

I think it's just that the. You and I. I don't know. You don't take offense if I disagree with you.

A (3:55)

No.

B (3:55)

So. And like, I'm not offended if you disagree with me.

A (3:58)

No. Yeah. Like, just like the Taylor Swift thing, like, why do I care what you listen to? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I could care less. Yeah. But I'm proud to love her and I'm. I get that. Doesn't change my viewpoint.

B (4:10)

Yeah. So I love you're who you are.

A (4:13)

I love people I can converse with about different. It would be so boring if we all agreed all the time.

B (4:19)

Well, and I also think, like, you're confident in who you are and so.

A (4:23)

That helps you too.

B (4:24)

Yeah.

A (4:25)

It's. It's good to have competent friends.

B (4:27)

Yeah.

A (4:27)

That you can disagree with. Yeah. I know you're not gonna offend.

B (4:31)

Yeah.

A (4:32)

Gosh.

B (4:33)

You are who you are and you're okay with it. And you love yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

A (4:36)

So why a podcast and why now?

B (4:39)

So I. You asked if we wanted. If I wanted to do a podcast and I was like, hell yeah, let's do this. I love the idea of a podcast because a. I want to tell like my side of my story. My story for like a lot of years. It was different perspectives muddled in and stuff like that. And I want to be able to tell my life from my perspective and where we're at now and maybe dish some deets of like, what really happened from my perspective. She's got a lot of deets and then I. I don't know. I wanted to share my life, but like, who I am without social media is really hard to like get long form conversations out. Why you?

A (5:32)

Well, I.

B (5:33)

Why the change from somewhat basic now to the other?

A (5:35)

I was gonna say because I never shut up. So talking for, you know, as a, as a hobby, it's just sounded great. For me, a somewhat basic was more about like pop culture and, and which I still love. I'm a reality TV girly.

B (5:57)

I think you're more than a reality TV girly. I think you're a pop culture girly. You're always telling me something like, really? I know.

A (6:04)

I was just telling you about Zach Bryant and his girlfriend, and I was like, you want to hear? Yeah, it's. Cause I'm nosy. But I do think the whole world's nosy. Yeah. I own it.

B (6:16)

Yeah.

A (6:17)

I'm that woman that's vacuuming her yard when there's like, some, like a. Like a cockpit.

B (6:22)

You're the person. What was that rug thing? And the guy was sitting out there, like, with his chair watching.

A (6:27)

Yeah, that's me. Yeah. Like, I have. And I have no problem going up. Seem like, what's wrong?

B (6:34)

What's going on?

A (6:35)

But I feel like 28. I am so at a different part of my life, and I really, truly am an open book. And I've had a lot of different things in my life happen that I'm willing to share to maybe help other people or to not feel as alone in their journey. I'm really big on womanhood and women supporting women, and I feel like me and you are very alike on that and where we're just open books when it comes to sharing what has happened in our lives and being like, it is what it is, and this is how I've handled it for better or for worse. And I don't really want a podcast that speaks on, like, giving advice, but really, if you can come to this podcast and feel less alone in your connection. Yeah.

B (7:35)

Feel like, oh, somebody else is going through this or has been through this.

A (7:41)

Yeah. Because we are similar, but we are different. But we've also had a lot of the same things kind of happen to us. And I feel it's such a good time to just share more of me instead of focusing on such pop culture. Because focusing on pop culture is exhausting sometimes when you. When you have so much of it that it's. I like to do it for fun, but, you know, at the end of the day, I'm sometimes too busy with my own life to give a damn about somebody else's, you know?

B (8:18)

Yeah. I feel that.

A (8:20)

You know, But I've always asked why.

B (8:22)

I don't keep up with pop culture. And I'm like, I have enough drama in my extended family.

A (8:26)

Well, yeah, your family is pop culture.

B (8:28)

That's fair.

A (8:29)

Is that crazy to think about that you're pop culture to people?

B (8:33)

Yeah.

A (8:34)

Yeah.

B (8:35)

It's also weird that everybody, like, knows what's happening. Like when your family's falling apart because your parents are divorced.

A (8:40)

Yeah.

B (8:41)

Did the whole world know about it?

A (8:43)

No.

B (8:43)

Yeah.

A (8:44)

Your small town knows and the people around you, you know, and that's kind of shameful enough to be like, oh, my parents aren't together anymore. My dad's not living there anymore. I mean, that's embarrassing. You know what I mean?

B (8:59)

Was that embarrassing?

A (9:02)

Yeah, I think it was embarrassing. Just because when you're 15, no one wants to admit that their home life isn't good. You want as a 15, you're still young enough as a child that you want a picture perfect home.

B (9:19)

Yeah.

A (9:19)

I mean, you're still a baby in so many ways at 15, so.

B (9:23)

Yeah. Yeah. I love when people are like, I didn't like you when the show first started. And I'm like, when I was 15. Okay, 15. Nobody likes anybody when they're 15.

A (9:35)

Well, you have a really interesting dynamic because I tell you this all the time, and I just don't think you're really even aware that you grew up on TV.

B (9:44)

I had a life before the two. Like, I was 15 when they started. Yeah.

A (9:48)

But I could not imagine my being 15 going through, like, puberty and liking boys and awkward phases on a television show. Every time they saw I was a brat to my mom, it would have been recorded. That's terrible. To me. To me. To me. I couldn't imagine.

B (10:12)

It is weird. I think it's also weird that, like, it was so condensed down.

A (10:18)

Yeah.

B (10:19)

So. But there was like a whole life that was like, before the show came on too.

A (10:24)

So what do you want to get? Like, what do you want people to know about you from this podcast? Like, what do you think that I'm human?

B (10:34)

I think so many people disconnect reality tv and I, like, explain it like the Bachelor. So when you watch the Bachelor, you're rooting for one of the guys. Right. And so you pick apart all the other people and it's like, but we're still human beings. So, like, I'm human. I still have. So people will say stuff and it's like, okay. Or like, I have a normal life. I live in suburbia America. My husband works. We make a middle class income. We're just normal. And I want people to see, like, that there is perspective there from this weird aspect. But I live a very normal life.

A (11:16)

You do, you do.

B (11:18)

I take my kids to school. We have dogs.

A (11:20)

You have a very normal podcast host. Co host. Yeah. I think that's what we really want to try to bring is that if you, or a woman or, you know, a man listening and you decide to join us on our podcasting journey. You can listen to an episode and you can relate and go, wow, like, there's two women in front of me that have gone through something similar. Or I can relate to them. I feel safe here.

B (11:49)

Yeah, we're just. Or like. Like, how do you deal with situations now? Especially, like, with past situations, like, stuff from your childhood, like, and do you bring it forward and, like, what that looks like? Yeah, just being real and raw about situations.

A (12:04)

Yeah. And you haven't, you know, had a big storyline in a long time, so I feel like you've changed so much. Like, we're almost 30.

B (12:14)

I know you don't welcome age.

A (12:19)

Uh, obviously not, because, like, if you would ask me how old I feel, I'd probably be, like, 23. I'm still in my head, like, 23.

B (12:29)

Oh, really?

A (12:30)

Yeah. Do you welcome age?

B (12:32)

I do.

A (12:33)

I do feel like the 30 is the new. Like, 25.

B (12:37)

Yeah. I feel like right now it's really hard to get people to take you seriously. And I have a lot of friends that are older, and they're like, wow, you have a lot of experience. I'm like, I've lived a very big Life, but I'm 28, so it doesn't negate that I've lived a big life.

A (12:54)

Yeah, well, people. There are a lot of people that don't even. Like, I get carded everywhere. And a lot of people. People are so shocked to know I'm 28 years old. And so, to me, I'm just so used to.

B (13:07)

Does she act younger? He's like, I'm gonna keep my mouth shut.

A (13:12)

Do you think I act younger? My husband's behind the camera. Do you think I Act 28, or do you think I act. You do, though. Yeah. You mean do now.

B (13:21)

You do now.

A (13:22)

I've only been 28 for.

B (13:24)

I, like, why grow up quick? That's what I would tell my kids. Like, don't grow up fast. It's okay. But I also think, like, I welcome maturity.

A (13:36)

Yeah.

B (13:37)

Perspective gains.

A (13:38)

I'm mature on a lot of different things. I'm mature when it comes to my work, work ethic, and my marriage, But I'm still very youthful and, like, childlike and things that get me excited, like Taylor Swift or. But I think that's life is about is to find the joy in the small things that do bring you joy and do make you feel kind of, like, childlike. But I am very mature when it comes to the things that I. I deeply care about and that need to be cared about.

B (14:06)

Yeah.

A (14:07)

So it's good balance, I feel. Maybe not all the time, maybe, but yeah, we're excited for. What are you like, most excited about, you think?

B (14:19)

I think connection. I think that a lot of people, like, I meet a lot of people out and about or like, people will message me and they're like, thank you for being real and raw. I think people crave that connection, that authenticity. That's why our world is so filtered. And so what's the word where you look through it and you pick out what you like the most?

A (14:43)

A rose color lens.

B (14:45)

Maybe there's another word for it, but it's losing. It's slipping my mind. Pregnancy. But curated. It's so curated.

A (14:53)

Yeah.

B (14:53)

Our world is so curated. And I. I think that there needs to be moments where it's like, no, it's. It's not always perfect.

A (15:04)

Yeah.

B (15:04)

Well, and especially like after my brother passed away, I have like more of a drive to show that the world is not curated.

A (15:13)

Yeah. We'll be talking about so many different topics. I hope we can handle them with grace and maturity. You know, we'll be talking about mental health.

B (15:23)

We'll be talking about marriage, kids, adult.

A (15:27)

Relationships, past, past traumas, how to navigate that. And again, it's not for advice, just to feel boundaries. Boundaries. Feel less alone.

B (15:40)

Yeah.

A (15:42)

So we're excited for that and we hope you are too.

B (15:47)

We're excited for you to join us.