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Ben Shapiro
Well, folks, Michelle Obama, who. Oh, that's big Mike, man.
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Sponsor Representative
She did it.
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Ben Shapiro
She finally did it. She went on the world's most important podcast, the podcast that won Kamala Harris the presidency. That podcast is Call Her Daddy, hosted by one Alex Cooper. She's the former barstool personality who basically just does podcasts, talking about sex and then talking with celebrities about sex and then apparently sometimes talking with celebrities. Not about sex, but mostly that would be political celebrities. Celebrity. So my producers forced me to go through this podcast, and so here I am having run the gauntlet for you, the people here. She was talking about women's empowerment, Michelle Obama with Alex Cooper of Call Her Daddy.
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Alex Cooper
Even you speaking, right? We're talking about objectification because we as women experience that every day. And then you're dealing with. With it on the world stage. I also love it because you have a pattern of challenging norms and you refuse to shrink or to conform to patriarchy, which I love. And in your book, you talk about learning that, quote, if you can't beat them, work their fascination to your advantage. It's one of my favorite quotes, truly, because it's so relatable. Like, from a very young age, as women, we learn how to shape shift, essentially, and we constantly. We have to. It's unavoidable, right, Biologically. To survive.
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Michelle Obama
Just to survive.
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Ben Shapiro
Oh, good Lord. Good Lord. All these victimized women who are very rich and famous. By the way, this is a lady who has hosted shows with people like Chelsea Handler. Drugs, dog, Parks and Appointments, Hannah Burner, all denti and faking dirty talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So much no. I'm sure the people who are listening in on this are desperately in need of some Schopenhauer analysis that that is why they are tuning in. Or they are. They are there for the Shulamith Firestone take on the objectification of women and the evils of the patriarchy. And it is hard to think of two people less victimized by the patriarchy than Alex Cooper and Michelle Obama, but I guess here we are. Now. That is exciting. Also, Alex Cooper, when she talks about, you know, the evils of the patriarchy and its objectification standards and. And what women are expected to do. She likes posing in certain types of. She might be like, you know, I don't know, promoting the objectification standards a little bit. Michelle also spoke to Alex Cooper about workplace fashion and male bosses.
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Michelle Obama
You know, women don't have to dress a certain way to lead on somebody who has misogynistic, you know, A lot of times we blame ourselves and say, well if I, you know, look, you leaned in because you wore that dress and you, you know, but, but it is a tricky balance because you know, if you're in a professional setting and wearing a dress or a certain, if, if, if that is the standard, then you are a little, you know, you do have to be thoughtful. So we have to think a lot more. I mean, it's just exhausting. This is also what I'm saying in the book, right? I mean to, to strike that balance and to be thoughtful about what messages we're sending, giving, receiving. Men don't do that. My husband wasn't doing that. Same suit, put on blue suit, black, white shirt, different tie, you know.
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Ben Shapiro
Okay, I just have one point to make about this. It is hilarious to me that women think that men sit around analyzing what they're wearing. It is hilarious to me. Truly hilarious. Basically men, when it comes to women, they have a very easy standard. Do you look good in that or not? That's the standard. If you ask me what my wife wore two days ago, I have no idea what she wore two days ago because I'm a dude. You want to know why dudes dress the same every day? Cuz we don't care what we wear. You can ask me what any dude in my office wore anytime in the last year. I would have no idea. None. You could ask me what I wore three days ago. I have no idea. And the only reason I know what I wore yesterday is because I don't have short term memory loss. That's literally the only reason. Because no one cares.
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Sponsor Representative
Basically.
- [04:02]
Ben Shapiro
As long as you are dressed not like a complete schlub or like a complete prostitute or gigolo, no one is going to care about any of this. It's ridiculous. Like the women dress for women. Okay, let's be real about this. That is what women get into. Okay? When my wife is packing for some sort of big event and she says I can't wear what I wore last year, I say to her, who's even thinking about what you wore last year? And she's like, well everyone's going to notice. And you know who she means? She means all the other women because they do. They all notice what they all wore last year. But Michelle Obama being called too many men are going to be sitting around analyzing what I wouldn't be. I don't care what you're wearing, lady. I don't care at all. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. The only reason that Hillary Clinton's pantsuits became a thing is because she wore like the same pantsuit but in eight different colors. And it was kind of funny. It's kind of a meme. But that's about it. Ain't nobody sitting around worrying about what Michelle Obama's wearing, other than like the fashion critic at the LA Times talking about how brazen she is and how brave she is for what she's wearing. So silly. Also, I'm just going to point out that in this very interview, Alex Cooper's very first note to Michelle Obama was that her outfit was cute.
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Alex Cooper
Talk to me about your outfit. How did you pick it?
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Michelle Obama
My outfit. This is a Meredith Coupe original. And as we were thinking about promotions for the tour, there is a.
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Ben Shapiro
I've had many women on my program. I have never once a single time commented on their outfit. Not one time, by the way. Not for dudes either. Unless I'm making fun of like Michael Knowles wearing an ascot or something. It is real gay, man. It's real gay. I mean, very literally.
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Ben Shapiro
Alex Cooper then went on to admit that she wore tighter clothes at barstool for the opportunities, which is a real way of standing up to the patriarchy there.
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Alex Cooper
Alex, we have to acknowledge that women just have such a different standard that we're held to. And I appreciate you acknowledging that. Yes, there is a different level of privilege as the two of us sitting here right now and the outfit choices that we're making. Yes, we can decide to send a message that we're wearing, but it a lot of times right now in our position, we are not being held to. Well, you wore that, so you're not going to get the job now. But if you rewound to our lives, like when I was a younger girl, I did dress a specific way because I knew I was in a male dominated industry and I knew I would have a better time if I wore a tighter shirt because the guy would maybe give me more attention. What I did with that though, is so important and I appreciate you acknowledging that. It's like don't lose yourself to the game of the misogyny that we all get wrapped into.
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Ben Shapiro
Oh my God. So she's not responsible for any of it. She took advantage of it, but she's not responsible for any of it is basically the take there. And what a victim she is. Everyone's victim. Okay? Not only are they victimized because of their clothes, they're also victimized because women are expected to take the last name of their husband. This apparently is a form of victimhood. Now I will just point out here, Michelle Obama is famous because her last name is Obama because she was married to the President of the United States. That is why she is famous. That is the reason she is famous. You don't get to complain about taking your husband's last name when it is the only reason anyone knows who the hell you are. Here we go.
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Alex Cooper
You even think about it like, why do women have Ms. Mrs. And then Ms. And men never change from Mr. They are.
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Michelle Obama
You're just, you're always you. Once again, you don't have to evolve. See, we. We're even evolving. What do I think of myself?
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Alex Cooper
We're changing up here for some, right?
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Michelle Obama
You know, it's like I went through that too when I got married. I was like, okay, I'm going to meet Michelle Robinson OB Obama. Right? I did that. I was pr. I was in a real career and it, I felt like this is a lot of name.
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Alex Cooper
It feels like A little silly.
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Michelle Obama
Michelle Robinson Obama. Hello. I did that for like a month. And I was like, okay, that. That's. I'm tired, you know, Me too. I gotta write that down. That's long. Three syllables for three names.
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Alex Cooper
Too much.
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Michelle Obama
He wasn't going through this. He wasn't changing his license and his Social Security number. And, you know, he. He. You know, so, yeah, another way that we evolve.
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Ben Shapiro
Good Lord. You want to know where the tradition came from that a woman takes the family name of the husband? The reason that that exists is because when you have children, you want to know who the father of the children is. It turns out it's very easy to find out who the mom of a child is because she's biologically connected to the child. She was pregnant with the child and had the baby, but dad was there only at the very beginning. And so she takes Dad's name to signify that the child should take the dad's name. The. That is the reason. That would be the reason right there. This is so stupid. Everyone is a victim. Everyone in the world is a victim, including people who literally have benefited from the patriarchy. Michelle Obama is only famous because her last name is Obama and not Robinson. And why are we pretending that this isn't the case again? Alex Cooper may have had an innate level of talent on her own, but to pretend that she sort of built this whole thing out on her own and that she was not helped by men, or that men were the sort of main obstacles to her success, that she succeeded in spite of the patriarchy. She hosts a sex podc. Are you kidding me? And again, it's even more about Michelle Obama. Like Michelle Obama complaining about the patriarchy. That's like Hillary Clinton complaining about the patriarchy. Lady, you weren't elected to jack squat. You weren't elected to anything. You are only famous because your hubby was president. It is the only reason anyone has ever heard of you. And, you know, it's kind of funny. The people who you never hear complaining about the patriarchy are women who don't have famous husbands. Margaret Thatcher never complained about the patriarchy. Gulemeir never complained about the patriarchy. It turns out that there are a lot of very successful people who made it without their husbands being very famous, who don't tend to complain too much about the patriarchy. You know why? Because they made it without the help of the patriarchy. It's kind of an amazing thing. Meanwhile, we hear from Michelle Obama and Alex Cooper about not dividing people. You know, you want to make sure. That you don't divide people, says Michelle Obama, one of the most divisive political figures of our time.
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Michelle Obama
We should always be trying to go high. And I think, as anybody with a platform, a powerful platform, it's a responsibility, Right? Because that platform is powerful. Like the words you say move people and you can move them to productivity, or you can move them to division, you can move them to hate. It is like anybody with a platform can do that. So now we now have a responsibility. If you want the platform, then it's like a gun, like, learn how to use it, put the safety lock on, you know, because you can cause a lot of damage.
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Ben Shapiro
Now, I agree that you have a responsibility with your platform. I just don't think that Michelle Obama uses her particularly well. She gives speeches routinely about how terrible America is, filled with racism and misogyny and all the rest of it. She's a very divisive political figure. Speaking of which, she went on to talk about how females can't be president because, of course, America is a sexist place, which, again, ladies, if you truly believe that America is sexist, if you really, really believe that America is all about the sexism, it's all about the men. I have but one question. There are more women than men in the electorate. Why don't you vote in solidarity?
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Sponsor Representative
Ladies?
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Ben Shapiro
What are you doing here? Okay, we are cooked.
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Michelle Obama
Fifty years ago, we were fighting for the Equal Rights Bill, you know, I mean, just in there are people alive today, you know, that, you know, couldn't marry the opposite race, you know, couldn't love who you loved. I mean, this is recent history of a country that's been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's been going along this way, and then, boop. There is a lot of change. It just happened. But. But that means that the remnants of what has been there and what we've been socialized is really deeply embedded in who we are and whether people really feel yet that they can follow a woman as president. Like, we would just be silly to think that there aren't just some gut kind of.
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Ben Shapiro
I'm sorry, I'm falling asleep. I'm sorry, she's interminable. I'm falling asleep. I'm falling asleep. Yes, it's. You're a victim, lady. You're a victim. You've been elected to zero things. You're a victim. The ladies are the victims. I'm just going to point out at this point that women represent a significant majority of the electorate. In 2024, men represented 82.6 million registered voters in the United States. Women represented 91.3 million voters in the United States. And women are a majority of the people with college degrees. What are we talking about here? What are we talking about here? Maybe you should stop running crappy candidates like Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. I don't know. It's a thought. She then was asked if Barack Obama would run for a third term if President Trump changes the law, and she gives the only good answer. I think, of this interview.
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Alex Cooper
If Trump does change the law and runs for a third term, hypothetically, do you think your husband would consider running?
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Michelle Obama
I hope not, Michelle. I would actively work against that.
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Alex Cooper
You know, the whole world starts crying.
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Michelle Obama
I. I would really. I wouldn't be. I would be at home working against it, you know, and maybe a lot of people be like, good. We don't want them anyway. And I'm like, yeah, that's when I.
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Alex Cooper
Right, okay, so you're, like, not interested.
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Michelle Obama
You know, I. I do believe in the need for new vision. Right? I mean, the. The two terms is not just about we like him and we want it. It's just like the. We're changing and growing so fast. This is a hard job, and it requires new energy, new new vision all the time, new ways of looking at the world. Right. So I do believe that eight years is enough.
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Ben Shapiro
Wow. You know, Whoa, whoa. Michelle saying a rational thing there. Well, good for her. Truly good for. Okay, so that is a synopsis of what happens when you take Michelle Obama and put her on a sex podcast and then they don't talk about anything interesting. So exciting stuff there. I mean, it is also worth noting that both of the people that are talking to each other here don't even think that women exist. Right. If you're a dude and you say you're a lady, you're also a lady. So I'm not sure how they can be drawing all of these harsh gender distinctions. Thanks to producers Savvy and Sarah for making that happen for all of us.
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Sponsor Representative
Get fired.
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Ben Shapiro
I hope that you enjoyed it as little as I did. If I'm going to be tortured, I.
- [15:29]
Sponsor Representative
Hope you were as well.
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Michelle Obama
This is a man's way.
- [15:35]
Ben Shapiro
This is a man's world.
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