Tom Homan (2:14)

Mr. Homan, your name is on this. Is this correct? Yes, I signed that memo. So you are the author of the family separation policy? I am not the author of this memo. You're not the author, but you signed the memo? Yes. A zero. A zero tolerance memo. So you provided the official recommendation to Secretary Nielsen on families for the United.

Ben Shapiro (2:34)

States to pursue family separation?

Tom Homan (2:36)

I gave Secretary Nielsen numerous recommendations on how to secure the border and save lives.

Ben Shapiro (2:41)

But it says here that you.

Tom Homan (2:43)

You gave her numerous options, but the Recommend was option 3, family separation. What I'm saying, this is not the only paper where we given the secretary numerous options to secure the border and save lives. And so the recommendation of the many.

Ben Shapiro (2:58)

That you recommended, you recommended family separation.

Tom Homan (3:01)

I recommend a zero tolerance, which includes family separation. The same as is with every US Citizen. Parent gets arrested when they're with a child. Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their. If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated. When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, I separated that.

Ben Shapiro (3:26)

Mr. Homan, with all due respect, legal.

Tom Homan (3:30)

Asylees are not charged with any crime. When you're in the country illegally, it's Violation 8, United States Code 1325. Seeking asylum is legal. If you want to seek asylum, go through the port of entry, do it the legal way.

Ben Shapiro (3:45)

So that guy is the new border czar. Get ready, gang. Get ready. Trump was not joking when he was talking about closing the border and taking seriously the issue of illegal immigration. That's not Trump's only announced pick over the weekend. He also announced Elisa Stefanik would be his choice for the UN Ambassador role. That's a great job. I mean, honestly, if you have to pick any job in American government, UN Ambassador is a fantastic job because that is a job where you have a very nice apartment in New York City and then you go over to the un, which is a repository of all human scum, and. And you yell at dictators all day. It's a pretty phenomenal job. Elise Stefanik happens to be an excellent candidate for this position. You'll recall her standing up to antisemitism on college campuses just a few months ago. Here she was versus a bunch of university heads asking them whether it in fact was anti Semitic to allow chants like, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, calling for the elimination of the state of Israel. Here was Stefanik just a few months back. I will ask you one more time. Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying? And harassment, yes or no? Antisemitic rhetoric when it crosses conduct. And is it antisemitic rhetoric? Antisemitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation. That is actionable conduct and we do take action. So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard code of conduct, Correct? Again, it depends on the context. It does not depend on the context.

Tom Homan (5:16)

The answer is yes, and this is.

Ben Shapiro (5:17)

Why you should resign. These are unacceptable answers across the board. Claudingate of Harvard, who was the person on the other side of that clip, she ended up losing her job over it, also thanks to the intervention of Chris Rufo, who uncovered a bunch of plagiarism which gave Harvard the excuse to boot her out the door. So these are all excellent picks. Now, Trump did come out and he said that Mike Pompeo, who is his former Secretary of State and Nikki Haley as former UN Ambassador, would not be part of the administration. There's a lot of speculation this means a sea change from Trump. Foreign policy won. Let me make very clear. 75 million people voted for Donald Trump's foreign policy. That is what they voted for. They did not vote for a completely different foreign policy that radically shift how Trump did foreign policy in term one. The best thing about Trump won was his foreign policy. The reason that Pompeo and Haley aren't in is because they personally pissed off Trump. Let's be clear about this. Nikki Haley ran against Donald Trump and proceeded to say a bunch of very not nice things about Donald Trump. And so Trump wasn't gonna have her in the administration anyway. Mike Pompeo, of course, had been questioned after January 6 and he had said some things that presumably Donald Trump did not like very much after January 6th. And then he also suggested after the Mar A Lago raid that that might have been legally appropriate. And so there are some serious questions about sort of the personal relationship between Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump. But anybody who is seeking to shift that into Donald Trump is now going to pursue, say, Pat Buchanan's foreign policy. I'm not seeing the indicators of that from any of the people who are currently being talked about for high positions in the administration. In fact, Bill Hagarty, who is being discussed as the possible Secretary of Defense or possible Secretary of State, he was on the national TV shows. Hagerty is, I would say, more conciliatory on the Ukraine issue than some people who are more hawkish like I am. But Hagerty points out that when it comes even to issues like Ukraine. Trump will find a way to get that done because Trump does not want the United States or its allies to lose in that exchange. Here was Bill Haggerty talking about Trump and Ukraine. So Hungary's prime minister has said that Donald Trump has told him he will cut off support to Ukraine. You are saying here, I think in the new Congress there will be no more aid to Ukraine.

Tom Homan (7:22)

I've certainly not voted for any aid. I know you haven't. And I think President Trump will find. President Trump will find a way to deal with this. I'm not going to get ahead of him. I'm certain that he's going to find a way to navigate this that's in the interest of the American people and will stop the carnage. Look, what's happened in Ukraine is terrible. People are dying. They continue to die.

Ben Shapiro (7:39)

Again, that's a very Trumpy foreign policy. Right. He's going to move toward stopping this. He's going to do so without increasing the amount of aid to Ukraine in any market way. But it's also true that both J.D. vance and President Trump have suggested that in the absence of any sort of agreement, the United States can't just let Vladimir Putin walk into Kyiv. Hagerty also pointed out that we are seeing sea changes in the Middle east. As soon as Trump was elected. As soon as Trump was elected, Qatar decided that they were going to expel Hamas terrorists from their country. Now, those Hamas terrorists are probably going to end up in Turkey. And it would behoove the United States and its allies in Europe to make Turkey pick whether it likes Hamas or whether it likes being a member of NATO. But here was Bill Haggerty talking about the environment in the Middle east shifting because Donald Trump is president, which is clearly and obviously true.

Tom Homan (8:21)

I think what we've seen just break out again in the past 70 plus hours since President Trump won the election. Hamas is now looking for total peace. So I think the environment has totally changed. What do you mean? No, they've announced they'd like to see peace. They'd like to see peace in Gaza.

Ben Shapiro (8:35)

Let's see where they go. You believe that there will be a hostage deal negotiated under President Trump.

Tom Homan (8:41)

I'd like to see what. I'd like to see what Hamas means by this statement, but it seems that the entire environment is shifting right now because they see new leadership coming in. And I'm. I'm encouraged by that. And I think we'll have new opportunities to. Again, President Trump was able to deliver peace through strength. I think that's on the way, and I'm optimistic what it might lead to.

Ben Shapiro (8:58)

That is correct. Obviously, peace through strength is Trump's byword. I mean, he was on this show a couple of weeks before the election and he rejected these sort of neo isolationism in favor of peace through strength. That is what 75 million people voted for, by the way. Even on Ukraine, the Washington Post is reporting President elect Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday, the first phone conversation between the two men since Trump won the election. During the call, which Trump took from Mar? A Lago, he advised the Russian president not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of Washington's sizable military presence in Europe. And this is, this is not a surprise. Trump has said this stuff. Openly pretending that he hasn't is really, really silly. The two men discussed the goal of peace on the European continent. Trump expressed an interest in follow up conversations to discuss the resolution of Ukraine's war soon. The call, which had not been previously reported, comes amid general uncertainty about how Trump will reset the world's diplomatic chessboard. Here's what's going to happen. Trump is going to use the credible threat of force in order to ramp down conflict around the world. That is the thing that is going to happen, okay? So just get ready for it, because that's precisely what is going to happen. As the Wall Street Journal points out, the US hasn't been feared enough overseas during the Biden administration. According to Trump's advisers, by showcasing American economic and military might, the second Trump presidency should bring peace or at a minimum, prevent further escalation in Ukraine, the Middle east and beyond. Trump's former national security adviser, Robert O'Brien, who has also been discussed as a possible Secretary of Defense or national security adviser or Secretary of state, says it's going to be a return to peace through strength. Deterrence is going to be restored. 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Go to coin.comdisclosures for full details. Once again, c oign.com and sign up today. So again this administration is shipping is shaping up beautifully. At this point what people voted for is what they're going to get. Donald Trump made promises. Those promises are going to be fulfilled and those promises involve for example, actual peace breaking out throughout the world because of the credible threat of the use of military force and because President Trump is willing to build a big, beautiful military, and because Donald Trump is not shy about leveraging those credible threats in order to achieve peace in the world. That was the story of Trump won. It's the reason, again, 75 million people voted for him. That would be the reason. Not for a radical shift in foreign policy that looks more like Joe Biden than like Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a very clear and consistent Trump policy. The Trump Doctrine, if there were to be one, is don't cross that line or we will punch you in the face. That is the Trump Doctrine. And that is a great doctrine. That is an excellent doctrine. And meanwhile, a late breaking scandal. The Daily Wire is reporting. Leaf lemahue is the reporter on this. There's a huge story. The entire mainstream media picked up on it and then basically plagiarized the story. This originally came from Leaf over at Daily Wire. He says, quote, a federal disaster relief official ordered workers to bypass the homes of Donald Trump's supporters as they surveyed damage caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida. According to internal correspondence obtained by the Daily Wire and confirmed by multiple federal employees. Let me just repeat that again. FEMA officials told workers not to help people who had Donald Trump signs on their front lawn, basically, if their homes were damaged by Hurricane Melton in Florida. A female supervisor told workers in a message to, quote, avoid homes advertising Trump as they canvassed Lake Placid, Florida, to identify residents who could qualify for federal aid. That supervisor's name is Marnie Washington. The supervisor relayed this message, but verbally and in a group chat used by the relief team, multiple government employees told the Daily Wire. Apparently, the government employees told Daily wire at least 20 homes with Trump signs or flags were skipped from the end of October and into November due to the guidance, meaning they were not given the opportunity to qualify for FEMA assistance. Images shared with the Daily Wire show houses were skipped over by workers who wrote in the government system messages such as trump signed, no entry per leadership. That's absurd, insane and un American. That's crazy. First of all, you're in the state of Florida. An awful lot of people here voted for Donald Trump. An awful lot of people here like Donald Trump. Trump flags are everywhere. I live down here, okay? Trump. This is Trump country. MAGA country. Florida is MAGA country. So the fact that FEMA officials were telling their lower downs to avoid going to houses with, say, a Trump sign or a Trump flag to allow People to apply for FEMA aid if their home had been damaged is the most un American trash I've heard of in recent memory. According to the Daily Wire, it is unclear whether the same guidance was issued elsewhere in the country. The employees were part of a Department of Homeland Security surge capacity forest team, meaning they volunteered from other DHS agencies to help an understaffed FEMA as it dealt with the second major hurricane in a span of just a few weeks. One of the employees said, quote, I know they're short staffed. I thought we could go help and make a difference. When we got there, we were told to discriminate against people. It's almost unbelievable to think somebody in the federal government would think that's okay. The employee said, quote, I volunteered to help disaster victims, not discriminate against them. It didn't matter if people were black, white, Hispanic for Trump, for Harris. Everyone deserves the same amount of help now. Again, this also came amidst complaints about the response to Hurricane Helene in rural areas across the country. In Tennessee, in North Carolina, according to the Daily Wire, the FEMA agents ordered not to help houses with Trump signs were operating in Highlands County, a deep red area located in south central Florida that backed Trump 70 to 30 on Tuesday. It was with tornadoes, torrential wind and rain and flooding when Hurricane Milton hit back in October. In the chat, this particular FEMA employee said it would be, quote, best practice to avoid Holmes advertising Trump. No explanation was given for the guidance that also included recommendations like telling workers to, quote, practice de escalation and preventative measures and to avoid high salt diets and coffee. Now again, this is insane. Apparently the chat was just filled with pictures of homes with Trump flags saying, quote, per leadership, no stop Trump flag. One team member wrote in a complaint filed to DHS about the guidance, quote, if they had damage or lost power for over 36 hours, it was my duty to inform them of benefits to which they are entitled through fema. Washington is the disaster survivor assistance crew leader for Highland county should not respond to multiple phone calls or an email seeking comment on the guidance. Fema, by the way, did acknowledge that this happened. Chad Hershey, Washington's FEMA supervisor, told Daily Wire the agency is looking into the situation. Quote, we are aware of it. We are taking proper action in this situation. Currently, after publication of the story, a FEMA spokesperson told the Daily Wire it was, quote, deeply disturbed and horrified by the employee's actions and that has, quote, taken extreme actions to correct the situation. While we believe this is an isolated incident, the spokesperson said, we have taken measures to remove the employee from their role and are investigating the matter to prevent this from happening ever again. The employee who issued this guidance had no authority and was given no direction to tell teams to avoid these homes. And we are reaching out to the people who may not have been reached as a result of this incident. It's a matter that we take extremely seriously. We are doing everything we can to make sure all survivors receive support from FEMA. To date we've helped over 365,000 households impacted by both Hurricanes Helene and Milton in the state of Florida. We're horrified this took place. We have taken extreme actions to correct this situation. And apparently Washington was fired by about October 30th. Apparently Washington had started walking back the instructions about skipping Trump supporters homes. According to one of the federal employees, the relief worker said Washington denied homes were being skipped after meeting with other FEMA administrators. So this person also lied about all of this totally insane story here for example is one hurricane worker named Adam Smith blasting the culture of fears and salvage operations in Florida with FEMA Blasting the culture of fear at FEMA I want first to get your reaction when.

Tom Homan (18:36)

You heard this news about FEMA and.

Ben Shapiro (18:39)

Avoiding what appears to be some 20 homes in Florida.

Tom Homan (18:45)

Well, to say that I was surprised would, would be a lie. I don't necessarily want to demean or demonize every FEMA employee or worker that's out there. I think there are a lot of them that have a good heart that want to help people. The question that it leads me to is to ask the question of what sort of culture has been established in order for FEMA personnel on the ground or leadership for that matter to provide this sort of instruction to FEMA personnel that want to provide help and more. So you know I had an interaction with local FEMA officials as well and they wanted to help people, help people. And what was the interesting thing was, is it was stated that hey, we can't have our fingerprints on this. Which I think it leads back to the actual question which is what sort of culture and what sort of fear is there in place at some of the lower levels of FEMA personnel where they're afraid they're going to lose their job if they don't speak up against actions that are blatantly not aligned with what the organization is supposed to be doing.

Ben Shapiro (19:42)

When we talk about the deep state here, that is what we were talking about. You're talking about low level and mid level employees who are changing the policies of the United States government in order to benefit particular sides of the aisle. It is horrible and it is ugly. The Oversight Committee is going to be grilling the FEMA chief over the directive to skip Trump. Holmes. That's what the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability announced on Saturday. They'll be holding a hearing to investigate fema. After our daily wire report, committee Chairman James Comer sent a letter to FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell asking she show up to testify before lawmakers November 19th. Comer wrote, quote, this hearing will address FEMA's response to recent major natural disasters, including Hurricanes Helene and Milton, and permit members to investigate recent reports. A FEMA official instructed relief workers to bypass hurricane impacted homes displaying campaign signs for President Trump Governor Ron DeSantis. For his part, this happened in his state. He put out a tweet saying, quote, the blatant weaponization of government bipartisan activists in the federal bureaucracy is yet another reason why the Biden Harris administration is in its final days. At my direction, the Division of Emergency Management is launching an investigation into the federal government's targeted discrimination of Floridians who support Donald Trump. New leadership is on the way in D.C. i'm optimistic that these partisan bureaucrats will be fired again. One of them already has been fired. But this is just another example of how a gigantic, huge, enormous, centralized bureaucracy in the United States leads to the possibility of serious sin. It's a real problem. Meanwhile, the media demonstrating what they are. So this story is quite insane. After our Daily Wire story went viral, NBC News reporter Myrna Al Sharif, formerly of cnn, completely ripped off the report and then completely effed up the report as well. Because apparently, according to Brent Scherr, who is one of our editors over here, he points out this story for NBC News is painfully lazy and bad, notes that a FEMA employee was fired, but then acts like it's a complete mystery what actually happened. No idea who did what, what they did. Only mainstream outlet not to link to the actual story. And then Myrna Al Sharif texted back, tweeted back, quote, sorry, Brentscher, are your feelings hurt because I didn't link to the DW story? Stay mad. That prompted other people to pile on her sour. Bamari said, why are you acting like this? You've presented a weirdly truncated version of the story. You shouldn't be proud of the fact that people turning to you would learn a lot less than those turning to other outlets. In the long term, that's bad for NBC and bad for the truth. And Myrna Al Sharif said, oh look, it's troll. Final boss. I know you guys get off at making bleep up online to suit your agenda. But that's not my game. I get my info from official sources. I'll leave the alternative methods to you guys. Have fun. And Sora replied, I addressed you politely, without insult, even at left and center outlets. I promise that you won't get far acting like this in response to criticism. And then she wrote back, good. Don't address me Ever. At all. You are not fit to criticize me. By Steve Guest tweeted at her admit it, you're being a hack. And this reporter for NBC News tweeted back, the hack is your mama. Wait, I'm sorry, this is a reporter for NBC News? I can't imagine why your credibility's in the toilet. You rip off a story that we report first to Daily Wire, you completely botch the story, and then when you're called on it, you do your mama jokes. One person tweeted @ her quote, you absolutely lack the journalistic bona fides to look up anyone's mom, you dumb f. Grow up. And then she wrote back, you first, dumb. Like the what? What in the what? Daily Wire's Mary Margaret Olihan called on Al Sharif to log off and she wrote back, you first, babes. Then of course she did log off, so she she deleted her Twitter account. So solid stuff there from NBC News. Again. I cannot imagine why more and more Americans are signing off when it comes to the left wing media. Man, they are bad at their job. Well, this NBC News reporter seems like she probably should lose her job because she's bad at it. But here's the thing. There are lots of people all over the country who probably need to be replaced. Some might be at your company. You need better employees or just new employees. You need to increase your hiring base. Well, choosing the right candidate for any office is a giant responsibility. 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He's written entire books about how basically he has changed his life and he's not sure he could have babies in this terrible world in which climate change is going to be so. Bill Weir was on CNN claiming basically the earth is going to burn to a crisp because of Donald Trump.

Tom Homan (26:04)

Take a look at this temperature chart. Sarah this year, 2024, according to Copernicus, the European Space Union will shatter all records, being the warmest ever. And it's the first year where we've blown past the 1.5 degrees Celsius or 3 degrees Fahrenheit limit of the Paris Climate Accords. Every country in the world says we're going to try to hold the line at 1.5. And now we're here. Just as maybe the most notorious climate denier in history takes power once again.

Ben Shapiro (26:34)

These people, they're so let's be clear. The United States emissions have been dropping. It is China and India that continue to skyrocket. And no matter how much the United States destroys its own economy, on behalf of people like Bill Weir, it ain't gonna be enough. The freak out is everywhere. It is. It is everywhere. The New York Times has a hilarious piece today titled quote, a sex strike is a losing strategy for American women. So apparently there are a bunch of left wing women who are now declaring a sex strike, which, I mean, I hate to break it to you ladies, but you might not have had a choice in the matter, depending on exactly who you are anyway. But according to this opinion, staff editor for the New York Times, quote, no dating men, no sex with men, no heterosexual marriage, and no childbirth. These are the four principles of South Korea's 4B movement, a radical feminist movement that gained popularity in 2019 in response to sexism, hidden camera pornography and intimate partner violence after Donald Trump's victory. Some American women have sought out the movement. But it would be a mistake for women in the United States to adopt its principles, which risk alienating those who would be our allies while ensuring little actually changes about our reality. Some American women are already devising plans to apply used menstrual pads to trucks with MAGA stickers and undergo voluntary hysterectomy surgery. TikTok and Instagram reels related to the forb movement gained millions of views this week. Google searches spiked in the US On Wednesday, most notably in Democratic states. Yeah, good luck with this, ladies. Seriously, good luck with it. By the way, I have a recommendation. In fact, I hope that people all over the spectrum would take this recommendation. Everyone should go on a sex strike until they get married and then enter a committed relationship and have children. We could call it traditional values. It'd be great. And you wouldn't be having sex with people who disagree with you about values. You wouldn't be having sex with randos in the first place. It might be awesome. You should try it might Help society, actually. Or you can continue to pretend that you're acting out Liz Estrada or something. Meanwhile, over at the doj, they're freaking out. According to Politico. A collective sense of dread. Again, the leftist hears. They're just overflowing here. A collective sense of dread has taken hold at the Department of Justice, which drew Donald Trump's rage like no other part of the federal government during his campaign. By the way, why would that have been? Why did DOJ draw his rage? Could it have become. Could have been because they launched three cases against him while he was President of the United States, like the former President of the United. Maybe that would be the reason, I don't know. Just putting it out there. Maybe it's that the DOJ kept targeting him over absolute nonsense with cases that certainly did not meet legal scrutiny. Maybe that's why he was pissed. I don't know. I love it when they declare that Donald Trump just sort of, he's like random Hulk. He just randomly goes Hulk on the doj. Maybe if you hadn't targeted him over, say, classified documents, maybe if you haven't targeted him over January 6th and all of the rest of it, maybe then he wouldn't be so mad at you by now he's mad at you and you kind of deserve it. Some career attorneys at DOJ are already considering heading for the exits rather than sticking around to find out whether threats from Trump and his allies are real or campaign bluster. Those threats range from mass firings of deep state lawyers to expelling special counsel Jack Smith from the country. Everyone I've talked to, mostly lawyers, are losing their minds, said one DOJ attorney. The fear is that career leadership and career employees everywhere are either going to leave or they're going to be driven out. Well, I mean, we can always dream, we can always hope so again, it is amazing to watch people freak out. Like they're basically saying our ability to watchdog the person we work for is going to be hampered if he comes into office. So there are a lot of, there's a lot of speculation about who precisely is going to be heading up the doj. Who will be the attorney general pick. Remember, this is a, a Senate approved position. It is worth noting at this point, by the way, that in the Senate, because Republicans are likely to end with 53 votes in the Senate, there are three senators in particular who may not greenlight everything that Trump does. In terms of Cabinet picks, you do have Susan Collins up in Maine, you do have Lisa Murkowski out in Alaska. And you still have Senator Mitt Romney in Utah. That takes the Republican majority down to 50. So all you have to do is peel off one more and suddenly Trump doesn't have the votes to necessarily confirm his nominees. So, you know, this is a major issue and it does depend who Trump nominates. With all of that said, do I think that Donald Trump is gonna select somebody for AG who's going to, like, expel Jack Smith from the country? No, I really don't. All of this hysteria is so overwrought. It really is. And we got a lot of this pre election people saying, well, no, now that Donald Trump has alienated all of his former staff and colleagues, it'll only be the dregs who will staff up. That's not what I'm seeing. Tom Homan doesn't look like the drugs to me. Neither does Elise Stefanik. In fact, the vast majority of people who are being mentioned for the Trump administration look like pretty good folks to me, actually. Meanwhile, the other aspect of hysteria is denial. It's fun to watch Democrats just deny what's going on all around them. Nancy Pelosi is still blaming Joe Biden. Of course she's blaming Joe Biden for Kamala Harris's law. She can't blame herself. She's the one who ousted Joe Biden in favor of Kamala Harris, who then proceeded to lose to Donald Trump. Here's Nancy Pelosi over the weekend.

Tom Homan (31:30)

The fact is she did a great job with the time constraint that she had. Had the president gotten out sooner, there may have been other candidates in the race. Kamala, I think, still would have won, but she may have been stronger having taken her case to the public sooner.

Ben Shapiro (31:49)

Should there have been an open primary, though?

Tom Homan (31:50)

Well, see, we thought that there would be a. You know, it was the anticipation was that that if there, if the president were to step aside, that there would be an open primary. And as I say, Kamala may have, I think she would have done well in that and been stronger going forward. But we don't know that that didn't happen. We live with what happened. And because the president endorsed Kamala Harris immediately, that really made it almost impossible to have a primary at that time.

Ben Shapiro (32:23)

I love this. So Pelosi is not just blaming Biden for not leaving soon enough. She's now blaming Biden for endors Kamala Harris, which is something large swaths of the Democratic Party upper echelon wanted because it meant that the Democratic Party snapped into place with $1 billion behind her. And then she proceeded to blow It. By the way, speaking of blowing through money, there is a report from Fox News that Kamala Harris paid Oprah Winfrey's Harpo Productions $1 million on October 15. Winfrey appeared throughout the campaign. She did a star studded town hall for the vice president in September. She also appeared at Harris's final rally in Philadelphia. And apparently again, $1 million was paid. Not only that, the Washington examiner, which is actually. They do amazing reporting, the Washington examiner, they're revealing that the campaign spent big on the Call Her Daddy podcast. Remember that one that's supposed to be the big winner for Kamala, where she went and sent with the. She sat with the oral sex lady to talk about all of her views on politics. Apparently, the campaign spent money on that. They spent six figures building a set for Harris's appearance on the popular Call Her Daddy podcast. By the way, I'm looking at that set that don't cost six figures. I'm sorry. Like, we have sets all over the place here at Daily Wire. Next time, take a competitive bid, lady. And my goodness, look at this set. It's like a wall that says call Her Daddy. And some photos stacked up in the back. That's like the whole set. I could make this set myself. I'm no jack of all trades when it comes to handiwork. I could make this set myself for under $20,000. I mean, I'm looking at that set. That's ridiculous. But of course, she was supposed to be amazing at this, and then it turns out she was not. And yet people still can't believe she lost. Charlamagne, the God again. I think that if you botch an election this badly, then the description the God ought to be removed from your name. Charlamagne says Kamala Harris ran a great campaign, which is weird because she lost to Donald Trump, I noticed. Have you talked to her since the loss?

Tom Homan (34:16)

No, I haven't, but I can't wait to.

Ben Shapiro (34:18)

What are you gonna tell her?

Tom Homan (34:20)

I'm gonna tell her I love her, I value her, I appreciate her, and, you know, whatever she plans to do moving forward, I'm gonna always support her. And I'm gonna say what I've, you know, been saying on the radio and on my podcast that she has nothing to be ashamed about. You know, keep. She ran a great campaign and only had 100 days to do it. Nobody thought she could even do. You know, what it is that she did? Like, you know, the first day, getting all the delegates in line, you know, raising the money that she raised, you know, digging the campaign out of a hole to where they were neck and neck on election day. And she inspired a lot of people.

Ben Shapiro (34:55)

Yeah. So she inspired so many people that she ended up losing pretty much everywhere and winning fewer votes than Joe Biden pretty much everywhere. My favorite part of this particular interview on ABC News with John Carl is where Charlamagne, the God, again, his appellation, the God, ought to be removed because apparently his omniscience is clearly in question. Here he's told that Donald Trump won 13 of minority votes and he can't believe it. His head basically explodes live on camera. What do you make of the demographics here? I mean, Trump got one out of.

Tom Homan (35:27)

Every three voters of color.

Ben Shapiro (35:30)

No. Yeah.

Tom Homan (35:33)

Really? Yeah. When you say color, you mean like black, brown, everything? Oh, well, I think that, you know, people have different issues that they care about, and I think that there's nobody out there that's a single issue voter. I think some of this is a backlash to race and gender and identity politics. But, man, most people, they just care about keeping food on their table and keeping a roof over their head. And I think sometimes people forget about that. I think that they forget about, you know, the working class. And for whatever reason, Donald Trump speaks to the grievances of the working class in a real way.

Ben Shapiro (36:06)

Oh, man, I love that. I love that shock. That shock is just great. All right, in just a moment, we are going to get to an incipient backlash among Democrats. First, Miracist became the biggest documentary of the decade in theaters. It is now streaming exclusively at Dailywire. If you watched Miracist in theaters. Thank you and congratulations, you're now part of history. But there's more to see, including a deleted scene with Matt Walsh as his beloved children's book character, Johnny the Walrus. Plus, behind the scenes footage where Matt reveals how he pulled off the biggest troll in history against the left. And yes, unfortunately for them, it was all very real. The only way to watch Amiracist and get access to this exclusive content is with a Daily Wire plus membership. If you're not a member yet, now's the time. To join, go to dailywire.com subscribe use code TRUMP for 47% off a new annual membership. Well, folks, reality may be settling in certain parts of the Democratic Party. And it's interesting to see the Democratic Party go through these sort of spasms. They're fighting one another. They're sort of the more reasonable half of the party. And then there are the identity politics nut jobs, and they're all in a big scrum. With one another right now. Donna Brazile, who used to be a member of Team Clinton, she says, listen, we need some introspection here. We blew it, obviously.

Tom Homan (37:11)

And the truth is we should put it all on the table and have a great introspection as to what happened. What happened in New Jersey when Chris and I were sitting there on election night, and I'm looking at Chris like, hey, what's going on? What was going on in Minnesota? What was going on, of course, in Massachusetts and Rhode island, which was Trump was doing better in all these. Trump improved, not just his numbers in the battleground, which we were talking about on election night, three to four points. He also improved in inner cities. He improved in outer suburbs. So it looks like Trump ran the 50 state strategy that the Democrats used to talk about.

Ben Shapiro (37:46)

Okay, So, I mean, the thing they should be doing, obviously, is moderating. And you're starting to see a few of them say exactly this. Fareed Zakaria, he ripped into the Kamala Harris campaign for their illiberal positions and also their legal cases against Trump. Are they starting to see reality? By the way, that'd be good for the country now, as somebody who wants to see Republicans continue to win, because I have not yet tired of the winning. It would be good for there to be another party that's not insane in the country. That would be awesome, actually. Here's Fareed Zakaria.

Tom Homan (38:11)

Lafayette turned Trump from being a loser into a victim. And as his indictments grew, his campaign contributions surged and his poll numbers solidified. The final error is a more diffuse one. The dominance of identity politics on the left, which made it push for all kinds of DEI policies that largely came out of the urban academic bubble, but alienated many mainstream voters. There's an irony in claiming to be pro Latino by insisting that people use the term Latinx only to discover that Latinos themselves think the word is weird. This kind of obsession made Democrats view people too much through their ethnic or.

Ben Shapiro (38:53)

Racial or gender identity.

Tom Homan (38:55)

And it made them miss, for example, that working class Latinos were moving toward Trump, perhaps because they were socially conservative or liked his macho rhetoric or even agreed with his hardline stance on immigration. One of Trump's most effective ads on trans issues had a tagline. Kamala is for they them. President Trump is for you. The problem is much deeper than simply one about nouns and pronouns. The entire focus on identity has morphed into something deeply illiberal, judging people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

Ben Shapiro (39:30)

I mean, that is Fareed Zakaria speaking actual common sense. Now, there are some other members of the Democratic Party who are pushing this as well. They're saying they need to stop focusing on the racial issues and start focusing on the economic issues. Obviously, Bernie Sanders is the one who's leading the way on this. He believes that if you just toss out some warmed over socialism, that that will win the next election again. The reality is that if Democrats wish to win, what they need to do is go back to Bill Clinton's 1992 playbook. Bill Clinton is the last sort of traditional Democratic politician to win. Barack Obama was not a traditional Democratic politician. He ran in 2008 as a great unifier. He ignored every issue. And then he somehow was able to draw a victory out in 2012 despite being fairly widely unpopular. And Democrats have been trying to duplicate 2012 ever since to their own great failure. What they really should be trying to do is re embrace the sort of principles of Bill Clinton, which is centrism on economics, centrism on the border, centrism on foreign policy. Bill Clinton was famous for triangulating. That's the thing they should be pursuing. They shouldn't be going all the way to the Bernie Sanders progressive left when it comes to economics. That is not a substitute for the sort of race centrism of the modern Democratic left. Here is Bernie, though, trying to push the idea that if you run as a communist, you'll win.

Tom Homan (40:40)

Bottom line, if you're an average working person out there, do you really think that the Democratic Party is going to the max, taking on powerful special interest and fighting for you? I think the overwhelming answer is no. And that is what has got to change.

Ben Shapiro (40:54)

Okay, but by the way, Nancy Pelosi is not wrong when she then comes back at Bernie Sanders and she roasts him saying, listen, you say that we abandoned the working classic. Where are you getting that?

Tom Homan (41:03)

The fact is, is that what we do, what our purpose is in the Democratic Party is for America's working families. So since you pursue it, go ask Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders has not won. Let me, with all due respect, and I have a great deal of respect for him for what he stands for, but I don' respect him saying that the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class families. That's where we are.

Ben Shapiro (41:30)

There are a lot of Democrats right now who are basically saying that if we just run as economic populace, that's a cure all. I don't think that works. I think that because the underlying sort of tension of economic populism for the left is that you are being victimized by a greater system and that thus government must step into the breach and fill every gap. I don't think most Americans are up with that. I really don't. I think most Americans want very simple things. They want to be able to keep the wealth that they make. Most Americans would like to be able to build generational wealth. It's no secret that anti gun legislation is on the ballot this election season. It is more important now than ever before to support those who are fighting for your second amendment rights. This is where my friends at Silencer Shop come in. They don't just sell silencers. They're fighting to protect your gun rights. They're actively pushing back against gun control, lobbying, fighting lawsuits, supporting pro second amendment legislation nationwide. Yes, silencers are completely legal. Not only do silencers make shooting quieter, reduce recoil, and cut down on concussion, they also make your time at the range safer and more enjoyable. But let's be real. The government doesn't want to make it easy for you to get one. But there is a solution. Silencer Shop makes getting silencers easy. They've helped more Americans get suppressors than anyone else by making it simpler with the largest selection of top brand silencers. The expert team at Silencer Shop will help you find the perfect one for your firearm. Silencer Shop helps you submit all the paperwork, making the process hassle free. Get your suppressor now. Approvals are coming back faster than ever. Just head to silencershop.com Shapiro they will do the rest. So if you want to protect your rights and enjoy a better shooting experience, visit silencershop.com Shapiro today at silencershop.com Shapiro SilverShop is the easiest and best way to get your suppressor. Most Americans are not satisfied with a government handout or government paycheck that Bernie Sanders wants to give them. Most Americans want to build the American dream. They want to have their hands involved in that building. And that means that they want to be able to actually build a life for themselves. That's the American dream. Bernie Sanders doesn't believe in the American dream. He believes stagnation through redistribution. That's what Bernie believes. So on an economic side, I don't think that that's gonna work. What's certainly not gonna work is doubling down on identity politics. And again, you can see the sort of radical break that's happening inside the Democratic Party right now. Mehdi Hasan, who, when he's not spending time over the weekend justifying pogroms in Amsterdam, he was tweeting out, good job, white men and women. Pointing out that white men and women voted overwhelmingly for President Trump. He apparently seems to ignore the fact that Latino men voted 5047 for Harris, which is an astonishing statistic, by the way, that he tweets out. It's all about race. Jon Favreau over at Pod Save America tweeted back at him. Do you think that this is in any way helpful or illuminating? You know who elected Trump? Everyone who voted for him, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, age or background. You know who didn't? Everyone who voted for Kamala Harris. We got to stop blaming entire groups of people based on their identity. That's part of how he got here in the first place, which is, I mean, honestly clap applause for Jon Favreau, who was part of the intersectional crew back when he was on Team Obama. Some people are starting, but they can't get away from it. They can't actually cut that part out of their own base. This is the problem. They are now in sort of a death grip, sort of in a death embrace with the intersectional racial left. So Bernie Sanders, who was out there one second ago saying we need to re embrace economic populism, also can't just disown the wokeness.

Tom Homan (44:34)

The Democratic Party must continue to stand up against all forms of bigotry and Democrats should hold their head high in saying we led the fight for women's rights and to protect the women's constitutional right for abortion. We led the fight for civil rights, for gay rights. That is something we should be proud of. But it's not either or, Chris. And this is the problem. You can do both. You could say that I'm for raising the minimum wage to a living wage, guarantee health care for all people, expanding Social Security, and by the way, I also support a woman's right to control her own body, etc. It's not either or. It's going forward in both directions.

Ben Shapiro (45:17)

Again, he's doubling down on the wokeness too. This, by the way, was the kiss of death for Bernie. Bernie tried to run as a Woke candidate in 2020 against Joe Biden and it didn't work because he couldn't out woke Joe Biden on the racial side. And Democrats are still finding this out. So Seth Moulton, who's one of the few reasonable Democrats in Congress, Seth Moulton, he had said publicly that, you know, maybe boys shouldn't be playing against girls in sports. In an interview with the New York Times, he said Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone rather than being brutally honest about the challenges Many Americans face. I have two little girls. I don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I'm supposed to be afraid to say that. And then he said, I stand firmly in my belief for the need for competitive women's sports, but limits on the participation of those with the unfair physical advantages that come with being born male. I'm also a strong supporter of the civil rights of all Americans, including transgender rights. Okay, but this led to a massive. A massive blowback. So Democrats were very angry at him. Salem City Councilor Kyle Davis called for Moulton to resign. Meanwhile, Massachusetts State Representative Manny Cruz suggested that molten stance was, quote, a betrayal. Massachusetts State Senator Jamie Eldridge condemned the post and said, quote, do not abandon our values. So you're starting to see, again, this battle does not happen without some pain. Here is Seth Moulton saying, listen, the fact that there's Democrats who are fighting me on this underscores exactly why we got Sherlocked. The point is that the backlash I've received proves my point that we can't even have these discussions as a party. I mean, the chair of the Massachusetts Democratic Party wouldn't even return my phone call. And we've got to be able to have these debates, but instead, we have a wing of our party that shames us, that tries to cancel people who even bring up these difficult topics and, frankly, shames voters. This is the same group of people who told us to defund the police.

Tom Homan (47:09)

Who told us that there wasn't a.

Ben Shapiro (47:10)

Problem at the southern border, who told us that inflation was transient, whatever that means, and who told us that Biden was just fine and they're out of touch with voters.

Tom Homan (47:20)

If we just listen to voters on.

Ben Shapiro (47:22)

All of these issues, they were telling us the truth. I mean, that is exactly right. That's exactly right. Again, this process in the Democratic Party will bear a better Democratic Party. Again, as a Republican, I'm perfectly happy if they continue to kind of spiral into the dust, but I would prefer that there be two not insane parties in the United States. That would actually be good. All righty, guys. Coming up, we'll get into who will lead the resistance on behalf of the Democrats. If you're not a member, become a member. Use Coach Shapiro. Check out for two months free on all annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us.