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Well folks, tons of news to get to and we'll explain sort of why we are abroad in the very near future. First, the Daily Wire doesn't just bring you the stories you need to know, we bring you to the center of the story. While legacy media filters the truth through bias and spin, we deliver it unfiltered, ad free. Politics, culture, entertainment. We don't just cover the fight, we are in it. Join us right now@dailywire.com subscribe so we were off yesterday, as I say, for travel. You'll know why in very short order. However, while we were off, the Pope passed away. That of course was long expected. He'd been sick for a while. We talked about it on the show just a few weeks ago with my friend Michael Knowles who explained how the conclave will work and what the Pope's legacy is. Pope Francis's legacy according to the left media is that he was leftist. That is how the left media are playing it. They played it all the way this weekend. The entire left media was basically united in the idea that Pope Francis was important because he isn't President Trump. He here is a compendium of various members of the media basically suggesting that his sole importance lies in the fact that he opposed many of the Trump administration agenda items.

Michael Knowles (1:03)

Pope Francis has been vocal speaking out against ways that the Trump administration has handled migrant issues to also issues across Europe.

Ben Shapiro (1:10)

Even before he was elected in 2016, the Pope talked about this idea of building walls to keep keep out migrants is something that he said was unchristian and this sort of continued over the course of his presidency.

Candace Owens (1:25)

Many on the hard right inside the church were shocked that this folk would actually borrow from Jesus Christ and living that simple life.

Ben Shapiro (1:39)

Again, the reason that the left leaning media like Pope Francis is because again I speak as somebody who really does not have a dog in this particular fight. It's because he was a liberation theologist. He is somebody who believed in a sort of Marxism mix up with Roman Catholicism. And what that meant is that on economic issues, on issues ranging from migration to distribution of resources to the environment, he put heavy focus on a very left wing perspective. Now what people in the media like to ignore was the fact that Pope Francis actually was still traditional. On issues ranging from same sex marriage to abortion to transgenderism, he said many of the same things that Pope Benedict had said before Pope Benedict resigned back in 2013. That is when Pope Francis took over. But the media of course very celebratory of Pope Francis in a way they never were of Pope Benedict specifically Because he said things that sounded different than the Papacy had in the past. According to the New York Times, which of course was celebrating Pope Francis, Francis steadily steered the Church in another direction, restocking its leadership with a diverse array of bishops who shared his pastoral welcoming approach as he sought to open up the church. And this is of course, the way that the left leaning media treats Pope Francis is that he opened up the church, he made it broader and more appealing to people. Now what we are seeing in the United States actually in terms of the numbers, is that more young Americans are turning toward Catholicism, but it's more traditional forms, not in these sort of left leaning forms that Catholicism seems to be taking these days, but going back to things like Latin Mass, my friends who are Catholic, many of our staffers who are Catholic. Daily Wire is disproportionately Catholic. Actually, many of the people who work for us are people who go to traditional Latin Mass and go to more traditional Roman Catholic churches. However, according to the media, the importance of Pope Francis is that he was essentially moving the entire church to the left. According to the New York Times, many rank and file Catholics approved, believing the Church had become inward looking and distant from ordinary people. Now again, do they have any polling data to support the idea that the leftward leaning moves of the Church had somehow been a salutary good for the Church? They do not. It's just many people believe Francis reached out to migrants, the poor, the destitute, the victims of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy members, and to alienated gay Catholics. He traveled to often forgotten and far flung countries and sought to improve relations with an antagonistic Chinese government, Muslim clerics and leaders from across the fragmented Christian world. And again, the, the, the sort of extraordinarily positive view that the media hold of any Pope is dependent on that Pope doing what they believe to be the bidding of the political left. This is why they were puzzled when the day before the Pope passed away, Vice President J.D. vance visited. Now they're very happy that the Pope seemed to give him a bit of a lecture on migration. But the fact that J.D. vance, who's a fairly recent convert to Catholicism, was meeting with the Pope was somewhat puzzling to them. In the first place, they, they don't have any trouble understanding why Nancy Pelosi, an extraordinarily pro abortion, pro transgenderism, pro same sex marriage person, is a Catholic Joe Biden, even though they violate Catholic doctrine at every turn. But they had some sort of hang up when it came to JD Vance. According to the Wall Street Journal in His final hours, Pope Francis Met Vice President J.D. vance and delivered an Easter message on a theme that was central to his papacy, an appeal for better treatment of migrants and other vulnerable and marginalized people. In his final Easter message, read out by an aide, Francis called for an end to the conflicts in Ukraine, Gaza and Sudan and condemned hardline immigration policies. Again, now, again, it's very nice for the Pope to condemn war. Also, it would be good if, you know, maybe he took a moral stance on some of those wars, which actually do have a moral component. It turns out that the wars in Ukraine, Gaza, Sudan, these are not just conflicts that randomly break out across the planet. They actually have moral underpinnings. And speaking as a critic of Pope Francis, because I believe that the Pope was not morally clear on a wide variety of conflicts and on a wide variety of issues ranging from economics to international politics. I wish he had said more about the actual underlying morality of, say, the conflict in Gaza. And by that I mean, it would have been nice if he had not done a nativity scene at the Vatican that posed baby Jesus as a Palestinian, for example, or if he had suggested that maybe Hamas needed to go and in Ukraine, it would have been great if the Pope had actually said Russian aggression in Ukraine is evil and wrong. That would have been great. I would have liked more of that sort of thing from the same thing holds true with regard to economics. I wish that Pope Francis had not been so enthralled to, as the Wall Street Journal editorial board says, ideologies that keep the poor in poverty. The Pope was a radical environmentalist, and so he was constantly criticizing capitalism when the reality is that poor people across the world need more capitalism and better property rights, not the opposite. The Wall Street Journal editorial board says his papacy was marked by anti Americanism and not merely against Donald Trump. He seems to believe Latin America is poor because the United States is rich. That, of course, is a hallmark of liberation theology, which is a left leaning mashup, as I said, of sort of Marxist economics with Catholic social teaching. As the Wall Street Journal said, some attribute his hostility to Free Marcus, to his Latin American background. Born in Buenos Aris, Pope Francis at a young age was made the provincial superior for a Jesuit order in Argentina during the time of the military huna. This is a hard line to walk. Some in his order accused him of unfairly being too friendly with the regime and Argentina, of course, during Pope Francis's tenure, when he was in Argentina was run by Juan and Evita Peron and Peronism was a Marxist brand of centralized politics. And, of course, it's also true that the Pope reached out, Pope Francis reached out to the Chinese Communist Party in unique ways. He attempted to make common cause with the Chinese Communist Party. He actually gave the Communist Party in China influence on who exactly would be the bishops in China, which is not a great way to do your religion. One of the kind of great things about the history of Catholicism is that when Catholics were sending priests all over the world to minister to people, they weren't actually changing the underlying logic of the Catholic Church. If you're making your pick for bishop subject to the Chinese Communist Party, which hates God and hates Catholicism and hates religion, that is not a great way to do it. Now, again, I'm being very critical of the Pope here, because the media decided that the Pope's politics were the thing that made him who he was. You can also make the case that what made the Pope who he was was his empathy. And this was sort of the other strain of coverage of the Pope's death was the fact that Pope Francis was very clearly empathetic to the poor. They spent an awful lot of time with the poor, ministering to the poor. And that, of course, is a wonderful thing in a world in which, however, the big issues of the day are so much in turmoil and when moral leadership has never been more wanting. I'm hoping that the next Pope. And again, I'm speaking as an outsider, because I'm not a Catholic, but the Pope is a large moral voice to a billion people. I'm hoping that the next Pope provides more moral clarity with regard to the things that matter, because if the Church is going to stand for anything, if it's going to gain adherence, then it has to maintain the sort of moral center of. Of eternal values upon which it has been based. I write a lot about the Catholic Church in my book the Right side of History, because the Catholic Church for a thousand years was the preserver of Christendom. I mean, that's what it was until the rise of Protestantism. And even after the rise of Protestantism. It was the sort of battle between Catholicism and Protestantism that made Europe what it was. The Peace of Westphalia was based on the idea. Religious toleration was based on the idea that no one was going to win the war between Catholics and Protestants. And so religious diversity should bloom within a certain framework. All of this makes a huge difference in the history of the West. And so a robust and useful Catholic Church would be a good thing. The Catholic Church has been fading in recent decades. Not Just because of the assault of secularism, but because like pretty much every mainline religion, it has been imbibing from the well of modernity and casting out its own spiritual values. And that is not going to have long term good impact on faith, on those eternal values themselves. We'll get to more on this in just one moment. First, you know what I hate? Big government, right? 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The Conclave, of course has been made famous in literature and film. Essentially the card the College of Cardinals gets together and then they vote on who ought to be the next pope. The idea being it's kind of a beautiful idea that God sits in the midst of the quorum and not, not an idea that is unique to Catholicism. We have that sort of analog of that in Judaism. The idea is that if you have 10 men who are praying together, then God kind of sits on that quorum. The same thing I suppose happens with regard to the College of Cardinals, the idea that God acts through man in history. According to npr, with the death of Pope Francis, the elaborate mechanism will now begin to decide who sits in power at the Vatican, the seat of the last absolute monarchy in Europe. It centers around the Conclave, a gathering whose name stems from the Latin for with key, which comes from the 13th century because back in 1268 the church went nearly three years without a pope. So they actually locked the cardinals in and they put them on water and bread until they could come up with a new pope. Cardinals in the Conclave will be locked away within the Vatican. They are cut off from the outside world. So it's kind of like sequestering the jury as they deliberate. News outlets point cameras at the papal chimney and then you find out who was the pope, who's the new pope when the white smoke emerges from the chimney. In the Conclave, there are a number of candidates who are up for the the papacy. Some are more conservative, many are not. Pope Francis stacked the top levels of the College of Cardinals and the Vatican with people who are like minded. The Washington Post has a rundown on some of the top contenders, including a Man from Stockholm named Anders abirilius, who is 75. My guess is they're going to go with somebody younger because after having two very elderly popes, I think that it would probably behoove them to go with somebody who is younger. Arborilius is 75. He's actually born a Lutheran and then converted to Catholicism when he was 20. He has suggested the creation of a special advisory body of women. He advocates openness to refugees. And again, he is more left leaning. There's Charles Mongbo from Myanmar. He's 76. He has been outspoken against the violence inflicted by the country's military junta, according to the Washington Post. And again, he was made a cardinal by Pope Francis. You have candidates from France, from Congo. You have candidates from Manila. Perhaps the the front runner right now, at least in the the mind of the media, is a man named Luis Antonio Gokim Tegel, who is from Manila. He is 67. He's considered closely aligned with Francis. He has criticized the harsh and severe rhetoric Catholic clerics used to describe members of the LGBTQ + community, divorced people and unwed mothers. He was born in Manila. His mom is of Chinese heritage. His father is Tagalog from Philippines. So again, he was proclaimed a cardinal by Benedict, but the idea here is that he would continue the sort of left leaning march of the Vatican. And then you have some nominees who are more conservative. So, for example, Peter Erdo from Budapest. He is the Metropolitan Archbishop of Esther Gom, Budapest, in Hungary. He's one of the more conservative members of the College of Cardinals. So when Pope Francis declared in December 2023 the Catholic priests could bless but not marry same sex couples, Erdo appeared to oppose the decision in his Christmas Eve sermon. He has opposed allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion as well. So he's sort of more traditionalist. So it'll be fascinating to see who emerges as the next Pope. And of course, the whole world does have a stake in that because the Pope is the spiritual leader for a billion people. Our condolences go out obviously to all Catholics today because whether you agree with Pope Francis or not, when the Pope passes away, that means an enormous amount to our Catholic friends and neighbors. And may his memory and his work be a blessing to them. Meanwhile, when it comes to the United States, the economy continues to roil and tumble. Yesterday, the stock market had a pretty terrible day. It was down by a thousand points in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Gold was up, bond yields were up, meaning people are moving away from bonds, they're moving toward gold. They're moving away from stocks. All of this demonstrating lack of faith in the underlying health of the American economy. De dollarization is happening. People are moving away from the dollar and international trade. A huge amount of this is due to the tariff war, of course, that President Trump declared. Since that tariff war was declared, the stock market is down markedly over the course of President Trump's presidency. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is off somewhere between 13 and 15 points in something like 11 days in modern history in which the Dow Jones Industrial Average has dumped a thousand points. Four of those have come since President Trump declared his tariff war. Now, as I've said many times, when it comes to tariffs, there are some things that tariffs are good for. So if you want to actually punish a country, say like China, then a tariff is a useful thing if well calibrated. If you want to protect a, an industry that is crucial to national security, then tariffs are useful. And you might use it to protect, say, your ship building or your steel industry, if you feel that's crucial. And we can have arguments about each of those industries, but that would be the purpose of a tariff. Or you could put a tariff on a country because you're attempting to get that country to lower its own tariffs, to escalate, to de escalate. However, launching a trade war on the entire world all at once turns out not to be something that helps the American economy. It is not a well thought out policy and you are seeing that in the markets nearly every day. According to the Wall Street Journal, stocks fell with the Dow industrials dropping almost a thousand points and on pace for their worst April since 1932, by the way, for no reason. Again, not for good reason. The underlying health of the Trump economy was good. The attempt to declare a trade war, if you're going to do so and you're going to orient against China, as I've laid out, there are smart ways to do it. You have to first do the preconditional work in order to do a successful tariff war on China. You can't just launch the tariffs up to 245% and hope everything's going to work out okay. Because it turns out you then have to blow holes through the middle of your tariff on things like auto parts or pharmaceuticals or for Apple, which is what President Trump has already done. If you actually want to fight a successful tariff war with China, a few things have to be done before you even start the tariff war with China. First, you need to sign terrific free trade deals with everybody else in the world in order to orient them toward you and away from China. Two, you actually have to gradually raise the tariffs so as to allow people time to reshore their key industries away from China to Vietnam or to Indonesia or to Malaysia or wherever else they're going to reshore. Three, if you have really crucial industries, you have to take the time and cut the regulations such that those crucial industries have already reshored in the United States before the supply gets cut off from China. Four, you actually have to have rare earth minerals, right? All the things you need from China need to be sourced elsewhere. So when you cut off China, you're not cutting off your nose despite your face. And five, you actually have to build up your military sufficient that if China feels boxed in and they go for Taiwan, you can deter them. You do all that work before you actually launch a well calibrated trade war with China. Virtually none of that work was done. It was just sort of dumped out on the table that we were going to do a giant trade war and then everything else was backfilled and the markets are reacting to that. If they thought that this was well thought out, the markets, if people in the investment game thought that all of this was well calibrated and well thought out, you wouldn't see the markets moving up and down wildly. The volatility is the indicator. Overall, you're seeing a decline, but you're also seeing volatility on a day to day level. People don't know what's going on. Of the reasons that the market dumped yesterday is because President Trump decided that it would be a wonderful idea to attack Jerome Powell again. He put out a, a series of truths in which he slammed Jerome Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve slammed him again. And then he went on a sort of truth spree, talking about how people don't understand tariffs. Quote, the businessmen who criticize tariffs are bad at business, but really bad at politics. They don't understand or realize that I am the greatest friend that American capitalism has ever had. Well, listen, I think that he's a friend to American capitalism. But you know what? The markets react to the policy. They don't react to just the perception of who they believe the President is. They react to the policy. And right now, again, it is unclear whether President Trump is ratcheting up tariffs to ratchet them down, whether he's just attempting to protect the industries or whether he thinks trade is bad. Like his adviser Peter Navarro, who is in fact not good at this. Again, if you want the markets to rise again, what you actually need to do is Mr. President is fire Peter Navarro, who is quite bad at this, and let your Treasury Secretary Scott Besant negotiate a bunch of great trade deals. That is the best way out of this situation. President Trump openly went after Jerome Powell again, suggesting that Jerome Powell needed to lower the interest rates. Jerome Powell is not going to preemptively lower the interest rates in the middle of a tariff war that is likely to increase prices. President Trump calling on Powell to do this is like his get out of jail free card. I'm not going to change my policy. Maybe Jerome Powell will do it. Jerome Powell isn't going to do that because Jerome Powell is not going to lower the interest rates in the middle of an inflationary cycle. So President Trump put out a big statement on truth. Quote, preemptive cuts in interest rates are being called for by many. With energy costs way down, food prices including Biden's egg disaster substantially lower, and most other things trending down, there is virtually no inflation now. Again, that's true, but those are back looking numbers. The question is looking forward, will there be inflation if you break the supply chains? He says with these costs trending down so nicely, just what I predicted they would do. There can be almost no inflation, but there can be a slowing of the economy. Unless Mr. Too Late Powell, a major loser, lowers interest rates. Now. Europe has already lowered seven times. Powell has always been too late, except when it came to the election period when he lowered in order to help sleepy Joe Biden later commonly get elected. How did that work out? Now I agree with them on that last part. I criticized Jerome Powell for lowering the interest rates just before the election, which I saw as at least partially political. The reason, by the way, that Europe is lowering its interest rates right now is because it wants to dump a bunch of spending money into its own flailing economy. The European economy is falling into stagnation and so they want to try to inflate their own economy. Plus they're about to spend a lot more money, you would think, on the war in Ukraine because the United States is withdrawing its support gradually and not so gradually from Ukraine. We'll get to more on this in just one second. First, a lot of things in life that are inevitable. The biggest one, of course, is death. And this is why you actually need to protect your family against the possibility of you plotting. This is what policy genius is there for. With policy genius you can find life insurance policies starting at just 292 bucks per year for a million dollars in coverage. 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Well, according to the New York Times, the Chinese government on Monday warned other countries against curbing trade with China in order to win reprieve from American tariffs, promising to retaliate against countries that do so. The Chinese Ministry of Commerce said it was responding to foreign media reports that President Trump's administration was trying to pressure other countries on their trade with China as a negotiating tactic. The ministry said in a statement, quote, appeasement will not bring peace. Compromise will not earn respect. Seeking so called exemptions by harming the interests of others from one's selfish gain is like negotiating with a tiger for its skin. In the end, it was only lead to a lose, lose situation. China said that it would resolutely take countermeasures now. The United States is significantly more powerful economically than China. It is just as a global power, we are significantly more powerful. Investment dollars flow into the United States and from the United States. There's a reason why the GDP per capita of the United States is a high multiple larger than that of China. China in aggregate is a strong country, but of course, 1.4 billion people live in China, whereas only 330 million people live in the United States. However, where China does have an advantage when it comes to fighting a trade war, for example, which is a centralized government policy, is that China is a centralized government. When I say they are a centralized government, I mean they are not subject to elections. So China can fight a trade war, impoverish its own citizens. Hell if its own citizens die. China's done that before. The Great leap forward killed 40 million people. China is no stranger to human rights violations against its own people. So if the question is who's going to break first in a game of chicken between the Chinese Communist Party and the Trump administration, which again is subject to the outside will of the American people, who are going to have midterm elections in a year and a half here, I mean that this is why you better have your ducks in a row before you do something like that. According to the Wall Street Journal, the idea that you can break trade and not break the capital flow side is a fantasy, said Stephen Blitz, chief US Economist at Global Data, TS Lombard. Markets settled down in recent days as Trump pulled back from a maximalist stance on tariffs. Volatility soared after The President unspooled his fluid and unpredictable trade policy. On April 2, a brutal bond market selloff unfolded, with 30 year yields notching their largest weekly increase since 1987. Despite decent bond auctions. The sell off occurred against the backdrop of a weakening dollar, which normally strengthens during bouts of stress. Right. People invest in what they think is going to bring at least a solid return in bonds. That's not happening. People are moving away from bonds, they're moving away from the dollar, and they're moving away from stocks, which demonstrates lack of faith in the current economic policy or in the economy of the United States. The President can still course correct here. Make deals. We're promised deals. Make the deals. Seriously. We need like deals now, okay? That's what we need in the markets. What we need are those excellent trade deals President Trump was talking about. And by the way, we need the headlines on the trade deals because the reality is that our trade relationship, let's say Mexico or Canada, they weren't so bad. You know why? They weren't so bad already? They weren't so bad already because President Trump already negotiated the USMCA with Mexico and Canada. There's a lot of danger here for the Trump administration, not just in a sinking economy, but in the impact that could have on the Republican brand in the midterms and in the future. After the last election cycle, most analysts basically declared the Democratic Party in cardiac arrest situation. The EKG looked pretty terrible for the Democratic Party. If you want to inject electricity into the Democratic Party, you want to paddle the Democratic Party back to life. A bad economy will do it. Harry Enton at CNN talked about the possible collapse of the Republican brand if the economy continues to go the way it's going. You look forward now, of course, it's completely on the table that the Republican brand could collapse. It has not yet, but it absolutely could. 100% of the economy. If the economy goes south, it, it will take Republican House members with them and some senators too. Okay, now this right here is the question. If you want President Trump to succeed, then you want his policy to be geared at reality. And that means a trade policy that makes sense to the markets, that they can intuit because the markets do have real world impact. If the markets drop, there's less liquidity available for businesses. Credit dries up. Small businesses which operate on margin are going to go under. There is a lag effect between the stock market going down and the economy cratering. But to pretend that you are utterly disconnected is ignorant of economic history. Let's put it this way, there's never been a time when the economy was booming where the stock market was radically declining. There have been times where the stock market declined and then went back up. Decline went back up. But when the stock market continues to go down and to the right, name me a time in American history where the economy was doing amazing work while the stock market continued to go down and to the right for prolonged period of time. And meanwhile, the President of the United States, his signal policy, the one that actually is working the best for him, is immigration. On the polling, President Trump's immigration policy is highly popular. It's not just because Americans are sick and tired of the open borders policy of the Biden administration. It's also because Democrats continue to take the worst possible attack when it comes to this sort of stuff. The attack they should be taking on immigration right now is that President Trump is right to close the border, that President Trump is correct to unleash ICE to go find criminal illegal immigrants and deport them. But we need to obey the law. That would be the actual smart approach to this particular issue. But Democrats have decided that the smart approach is to shove their heads directly up their own, you know, and so what that means is that they are instead basically going out of their way to praise Ms. 13 members and suggest that President Trump is wrong to try and deport all of those people. And this leads to the awkward situation of absolute dolt Senators. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland has the IQ of a turnip, going down to El Salvador to meet with a man named Kilmer Abrego Garcia, who is a likely Ms. 13 member and a. An alleged wife beater by his wife. Okay? Like, not a good guy. And he was deported to El Salvador. Again, that was done mistakenly according to the Trump doj. And that was a process issue. Okay? So the way that the Democrats should have protested, that is they should have said, listen, everybody deserves due process. If you are here on a green card, you deserve whatever the due process is for a green card holder. If you are here as an illegal immigrant, you deserve whatever due process is due to you under the law. And due process shouldn't be violated. It's sacrosanct in the United States. That's the argument they should have made instead, because they have a net and I don't know, it's an internal emotional necessity to valorize people who are quote, unquote, victims of the Trump administration. They've decided to treat people who are actually quite bad with sympathy, which leads to the awkward spectacle of Chris Van Hollen being asked if the person he visited down in El Salvador and had drinks with was ms.13 and he can't answer the question.