J.D. Vance (4:34)

The First Amendment protects a lot of very ugly speech. But if you celebrate Charlie's Kirk, Charlie Kirk's death, you should not be protected from being fired for being a disgusting person. If you're a university professor who benefits from American tax dollars, you should not be celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. And if you are, maybe you should lose your job or your university should. Should face a loss of funding. If you are the kind of person who thinks that Charlie Kirk was justifiably murdered, sometimes the government can't do anything about that. But you know what can is, is civil society. And I've actually been gratified to see all these people standing up and saying, yes, we have free speech and yes, we have free debate. But if you're, if you're celebrating the death of a young father. You ought to pay some consequences for it. And the American people are rising up against that evil. It's a great thing to see.

Ben Shapiro (5:25)

Okay, so now we need to discuss the difference between civil society's consequences for bad speech, quote, unquote, cancel culture, in the low pixelation version of that argument, and the activity of government involvement with this. The government should not be involved in trying to force people to say certain things or do certain things which regard to speech. That is not a thing we want the government involved in. And I'm old enough to remember when a lot of conservatives thought that. When a lot of conservatives looked at, for example, the Joe Biden administration's attempts to push and cudgel Facebook into taking down particular types of content around Covid, and they said that's a violation of free speech principles, which it is. And the Supreme Court utterly failed on that question. That case went all the way up to the Supreme Court. There was a very robust appellate court decision saying that it was, in fact, a violation of the First Amendment for the federal government under Joe Biden to try and force Facebook and other social media sites to take content down. That was violation of the bri. Of the. Of the First Amendment protections of freedom of speech. And then the Supreme Court found kind of shaky grounds for essentially avoiding that question entirely. Okay. With that said, the federal government should not be. Be forcing people to embrace or not embrace certain types of speech in the private realm. That is not something the federal government should be doing. And so the question about what's going on with Jimmy Kimmel right now, because Jimmy Kimmel's show last night, it was announced, has essentially gone off the air. It has been canceled, according to the Hollywood Reporter. It's suspended indefinitely. The question is whether that is a result of organic pressure from the crowd, which, if so, great. I'm on board. Jimmy Kimmel is a schmuck. Jimmy Kimmel is the worst. Jimmy Kimmel has been trash for over 10 years. Jimmy Kimmel went from a funny guy who used to tell jokes going all the way back to his days on Kroc 106.7 in Los Angeles. When I was in high school, I was listening to Kevin and Bean in the morning because my carpool mates refused to listen to anything else. And Jimmy Kimmel was the sports guy, and he was funny and obviously very talented. And then he somehow became a late night host. And after he became a late night host, he decided it became incumbent upon him to become, as my friend Guy Benson has Said the woke pope of late night tv, where he's just going to lecture you every night and be incredibly dickish all the time. And that was your shtick. He's going to go on TV and he's going to lecture you and be terrible. And there are a thousand times that Jimmy Kimmel should have been canceled. A thousand times where he said things that were so egregious and terrible and gross that he should have been done. And by the standards of the modern woke media, they should have just dug up his old stuff and gone after him. I mean, there's old tape from the man show with Adam Carolla of Jimmy Kimmel groping women without their permission or simulating groping women without their permission. I mean, this is from the Man. This is on Comedy Central back in the day.

Jimmy Kimmel (8:20)

Tell us what you think of the statue.

Ben Shapiro (8:24)

He's literally just going up to a woman and mimicking having sex with her from behind without her, without her knowledge. I mean, you know, being obscene. That didn't get him canceled. Jimmy Kimmel dressed up in blackface back in the day. He dressed up as Carl Malone in blackface. That didn't get him canceled.

Jimmy Kimmel (8:51)

My whole thing is this. If there do have such a thing as reintardation, Carmelo don't want me coming back to earth as no chicken. Chicken. Got a dang deal going on here on earth. Locked up in pan, getting fried up, barbecued wings getting chopped off and dipped in delicious, tangy hot sauce. Carmelo do love them hot wings.

Ben Shapiro (9:14)

Now, in the 90s, there were quite a time. But, I mean, forget about his old stuff. His old, old stuff. He didn't get canceled for saying that people should die in hospitals if they took Ivermectin for Covid, which is a thing he actually said on the air. This Captain of Empathy, Dr. Foushee, said.

Jimmy Kimmel (9:29)

That if hospitals get any more overcrowded, they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an icu. Bet that choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack. Yes. Come right on and we'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo. Rest in peace, wheezy.

Ben Shapiro (9:47)

So, you know, that's the thing you should have been canceled over. So don't get me wrong. I'm very happy to see Jim Jimmy Kimmel go, like, for. For whatever reason. I'm very happy to see him go. He was a horror show. His morality is completely backwards. His obvious dripping disdain and hatred for anyone who disagrees with him is perfectly clear. It is clear. Every night has been clear every night for years. No one could more richly deserve being taken off the air than Jimmy Kimmel. The question is why the federal government had to do with him being taken off the air. And this is where, again, policy cannot be a blunderbuss. It cannot be. See, Charlie Kirk was killed doing free speech. He was killed engaging in political debate. And one of the legacies that Charlie Kirk leaves is the necessity for such political debate, the necessity for free speech. And again, that doesn't mean speech without consequences. It means the necessity for debate. 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Supposedly, Kimmel was prepared to address the backlash on Wednesday's Wednesday night shows. He planned to explain what he said and demonstrate how it was taken out of context. It wasn't. So let's begin by playing the clip that effectively got Kimmel thrown off the air. Here is the original Kimmel tape.

Jimmy Kimmel (14:18)

We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them. And doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the President is taking this.

Ben Shapiro (14:42)

My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty.

Jimmy Kimmel (15:03)

Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction, demolition, construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murderer of someone he called a friend. This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish.

Ben Shapiro (15:21)

So it wasn't the last part that got Kimmel suspended. It was the first part where he said that the shooter was one of their own. It was a MAGA person. Now, by the time that Kimmel broadcast this on Monday night, it was perfectly clear that was not true. Perfectly, perfectly clear. I'd said it the week before. We all knew also there was new evidence that it wasn't true. We talked about that evidence on Monday. All the evidence that showed that the shooter was in fact that the shooter murdered Charlie. Because the shooter was a. Was in a relationship, a gay relationship with a transferry and had decided that Charlie was hateful because Charlie said that men were not women and all the like. We knew that already. So was Kimmel lying? I believe Kimmel was lying. I believe Kimmel knew. I also know that there are a bunch of delusional people on the left, truly delusional, who are trying to pretend away what happened by saying that either the shooter had no political motivations at all, which is totally crazy, or that the shooter was even maga, which is even crazier. So maybe in his own head he was part of that delusional crew that thought that because the shooter grew up in a MAGA house, that meant that he was maga despite the fact that again, all evidence shows he was anything but, that he was a far leftist who believed that Charlie was, quote, unquote, hateful for saying that men were not women and was hateful because he disagreed with Charlie Kirk because, you know, he was in love with another man pretending to be a woman dressing as a dog. I know, it's like a bad joke. It's really one of the worst jokes, even worse than some of the jokes that Jimmy Kimmel told. Okay, so the question is, and this is really the question, whether these local affiliates canceled Kimmel because they were upset with Kimmel or whether they canceled Kimmel because they came under pressure from the fcc. So nexstar ABC put out a statement, quote, nexstar Media Group today announced that the company's owned and partner television stations affiliated with the ABC Television Network would preempt Jimmy Kimmel Live for the foreseeable future, beginning with tonight's show. Nexstar strongly objects to recent comments made by Mr. Kimmel concerning the killing of Charlie Kirk and will replace the show with other programming in its ABC Affiliated Markets. Mr. Kimmel's comments about the death of Mr. Kirk are offensive and insensitive at a critical time in our national political discourse, and we do not believe they reflect the spectrum of opinions, views or values of the local communities in which we are located, said Andrew alford, president of Nexstar's broadcasting division. Continuing to give Mr. Kimmel a broadcast platform in the communities we serve, you is simply not in the public interest at the current time. And we have made the difficult decision to preempt his show in an effort to let cooler heads prevail as we move toward the resumption of respectful, constructive dialogue? Okay, now the question is, was that natural or was that a result of the fact that Nexstar is currently trying to push a $6.2 billion merger through FCC scrutiny and the fact that the FCC chair, Brandon Carr went on Benny Johnson's show where he effectively threatened action against Kimmel, ABC and Disney, they have.

Brendan Carr (18:17)

A license granted by us at the fcc and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest.

Ben Shapiro (18:25)

And we can get into some ways.

Brendan Carr (18:26)

That we've been trying to reinvigorate the public interest and some changes that we've seen. But frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take action, frankly, on Kimmel, or, you know, there's going to be additional work for the FCC Ahead, it appears to be clear that you could make a strong argument that this is sort of an intentional effort to mislead the American people about a very core, fundamental fact, a very important matter. At the end of the day, if we do get called upon to. To cast a vote on this, Disney will have a chance to put in their arguments and explain it. But, you know, this is a very, very, you know, serious issue right now for Disney.

Ben Shapiro (19:12)

Okay, let me be clear about this. I like Brendan Carr. I do. The FCC should not be threatening action against ABC or its affiliates or Disney based on Jimmy Kimmel being a Jack. He's been a Jack his entire career. Social censure is perfectly appropriate. The blowback from the public, totally natural, and in fact, good, because Jimmy Kimmel is, in fact, a schmuck who should have been taken off the air 10 years ago. I do not want the FCC in the business of telling local affiliates that their licenses will be removed if they broadcast material that the FCC deems to be informationally false. Why? Because one day the shoe will be on the other foot. I know that we've gotten out of the habit of this. I know that there are a lot of people on the right who say this. You will never be on the other foot. And if it is, the left will just do it anyway. Here is the thing. Preemptively breaking things because you believe that the left is going to break the things, makes the things broken, and you can't unbreak the things. So I may. I'm an advocate of the idea that things that are not yet broken probably should not be. And if we are now in a world where we're going to preemptively break the plate because we believe that the bad guy is going to break the plate, all the plates are going to get broken. And regardless of what you do, that's going to get used against you. The shards will be used as weapons against you. I promise you, if the FCC is removing local affiliate licenses or threatening to do so based on Jimmy Kimmel being a Jack, the next time a Democrat is elected, which will happen, his country is split 50 50. Pretending that this country is split 80, 20 does no one any good. The Congress is split effectively 50 50. The Senate of the United States is split almost 50 50. It is split 53 to 47. The last presidential election which President Trump won, he did not win in a blowout. I will remind you that Kamala Harris, an awful, terrible, horrifying candidate, somehow achieved in the popular vote 48.3%. And Donald Trump won 49.8%. And so we should stop pretending that this is not a closely divided country and that Democrats will never win again. First of all, just on principle, I do not think that the FCC should be involved in this sort of stuff. I think there's a better case that the FCC should not even be involved in granting broadcast licenses to local affiliates anymore. We now live in an age of digital and cable. I don't think that we need the FCC to regulate this sort of stuff this way. In the first place. I'm for total deregulation. But if you are going to have regulations on the books, then they have to be evenly administered. And so again, I'm not saying Kimmel shouldn't be taken off the air. I'm not saying the social sanction shouldn't have forced him off the air. I'm not saying any of these local affiliates shouldn't have said they don't want to take Kimmel anymore. I'm saying they should have done all that 10 years ago. And I'm not sure what happened here. If best case scenario, the public forced the local affiliates to react and take Kimmel off the air. Totally legit. I do not like that the FCC muddied the waters here. I think it is bad politics and I think it is bad policy. The fact that the FCC is trying to use standards about broadcasting false information in this way, I think is a negative. According to FCC rules, the FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false and will cause substantial public harm if aired. That should be a relatively high bar. Because I'm just telling you, if Democrats win the presidency and you got a Democrat in charge of the fcc, you got Adam Schiff in charge of the fcc, you know which affiliates are going to get threatened? All of the Fox affiliates. You know that's going to happen. It will. If as, as the. If the rumors are true and CBS News is about to make a significant shift back toward the center and suddenly broadcast things conservatives are not against. If that is a true thing, you can bet dollars to donuts that under a Democrat president, suddenly CBS affiliates will come under fire. This is why we don't want the state involved in these things. And here's the problem. Brendan Carr over at the fcc, he then put out a statement, quote, I want to thank nexstar for doing the right thing. Local broadcasters have an obligation to serve the public interest. While this may be an unprecedented decision, it is important for broadcasters to push back on Disney programming that they determine falls short of community values. I hope other broadcasters follow nexstar's lead again. Shoe on the other foot. 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The ratings challenge Jimmy Kimmel show is canceled. Congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel has zero talent and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers on fake news NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it. NBC President Donald J. Trump. Now again, if this is just President Trump cheering from the sidelines, agree. Agree on every part of that. Jimmy Kimmel is utterly untalented. The other hosts are terrible. They should go. They have terrible ratings. All of that's true. The federal government, the imprimatur of the federal government. Here is a problem. It is not good. Brian Stelter reached out for comment, apparently to Brendan Carr. He said. I asked FCC chair Brendan Carr if he had any new comment now that ABC has pulled Jimmy Kimmel's show and he sent a gif, and the GIF is of Dwight Schrute and Michael Scott raising the roof from the office like we did it. Why? Why? Okay, like why? Just let the public be outraged and let the public outrage organically drive the thing. Why now? You've muddied the waters in a serious way, legally. You've muddied the waters on First Amendment grounds, on fcc over regulatory grounds, in much the same way that the Biden administration was threatening Facebook with consequences if they did not remove certain material. I mean, this is an open threat. Actually, like now You've muddied the waters. And not only if you mudded the waters on Kimmel, you have now retroactively muddied the waters on Colbert. Because again, the. The claim the left was making and the reason they're valorizing, again, one of the other terrible hosts on late night tv, Stephen Colbert, the reason they valorized him is because he got fired. He got fired because his ratings sucked and he. And he was totally underwater monetarily. His show was losing tens of millions of dollars every year. That's the real reason he was fired. But the left claimed that he was fired due to pressure from the administration because they are building a narrative now. And the narrative they are trying to build is that President Trump and his team are, in authoritarian fashion, destroying things like freedom of speech. And the case they're trying to build as a comeback from the horrible story of Charlie's death, a story that is terrible for the radical left, truly terrible, because the American people have reacted with unprecedented force and fury at what happened to Charlie. What the left is now going to attempt to do is jujitsu that reaction into the belief that the Trump administration is overreacting. When you have a moment to do the right thing, you have to be, as an administration, calculated and meticulous in how you pursue this stuff. I was talking to my friend Chris Ruffo about this shortly after Charlie was shot, and we were talking about the fact that the administrative. No one is more effective at this than Chris Rufo. And Chris was saying, and he said this publicly, obviously, you cannot afford to have blunders like the Attorney General, Pam Bondi out there saying that hate speech needs to be regulated because that's uncalibrated. It doesn't get the job done. And not only that, it creates backlash. President Trump was elected in part based on the idea that he was going to maintain freedom of speech. He was elected in part based on the backlash to true cancel culture, the broadening of the Overton window, the opening of the speech aperture. That was the thing that President Trump was elected based on. And if you wish to hand power back to the Democrats, what you do here is you overreach, or at least even create the perception of overreach. So two things can be true at once. As always, I'm very, very happy. Jim. Jimmy Kimmel's off the air for the ninth time. He is a putz, a schmuck, and a schmendrick. There's a lot of Yiddish on today's show. He's the worst. Can't stand Jimmy Kimmel can't stand him going back 10 years when he was trying to use the heart surgery of his son to argue for nationalized health care, pretending that it gave him some sort of new expertise into the health care system. I made the point on my show. My daughter had had open heart surgery that same year from the same surgeon, and that had no impact on my health care views because one thing has nothing to do with the other. Jimmy Kimmel's awful happy to see him go. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. The government should not be doing this thing. They should not be muddying the waters. And if they do, then they put themselves at risk of significant overreach. Now, meanwhile, we have new details that have emerged about the shooter in this case. According to the UK Daily Mail, a sickening cachet of porn searches have been revealed about the suspect. He was involved in a furry Shades of Gay game. Well, I can't imagine why he would have shot Charlie then. One of the things that I find absolutely amusing about many of the members of the left when it comes to this is they'll say, well, you know, it wasn't a political issue, it was a personal issue. It was personal because, you see, this guy was a gay furry. He was a gay furry in love with a trans gay furry. And that means that it was about his personal proclivities. It wasn't political. It was the left that originally contended the personal is political. In this case, the personal is political. It is. Read the text, go look at what he was saying, what he was telling friends and family. He believed that his gay furry lifestyle was under threat from people like Charlie Kirk, who are intolerant of the insanity of the trans ideology. And then he shot Charlie. It is no surprise at all to find that this person was not, contrary to the popular opinion of the left, apparently a Romeo and Juliet character in a gay romance, that actually he was a sexual sicko. None of that is is particularly shocking, obviously. It is, frankly, absolutely predictable. Apparently he used a pseudo name on Steam where he played a pornographic online game called Furry Shades of Gay, according to the UK Daily Mail. Apparently he also followed artists who drew explicit cartoons associated with pedophilia. The Daily Mail cited Tyler Robinson's friends to report that he used the account name crafton247 on his gaming and online accounts. The 22 year old reportedly played Furry Shades of Gay, a game that has described itself as being about love, queer relationships, hot gay s and slapstick humor on Steam in 2020 and apparently this appeared on a furry site, furaffinity.com a website for people with a proclivity for humanoid animal illustrations and dressing up in fur suits. I can't imagine, by the way, it was the media were trying to say that his parents were intolerant and terrible. I can't imagine why they might have objected to their son becoming a weird freak. I can't imagine why. And I say that advisedly, yes, if you are visiting furry shades of gay, you are in fact a weird freak. Ain't nothing I can do about it. That's a you problem, my friend. And blaming society for your ills and then shooting people based on those ills does not make you a romantic character. It just underscores the politics associated with sick freakdom. It is, you know, insane that the left has attempted to craft these permission structures. Ta Nehisi Coates, the egregiously horrible writer. And I'm always amazed at how people can pretend that the Ta Nehisi Coates is somehow a great writer. Truly it is. It is an amazing thing. You have to be incapable of reading to believe that Ta Nehisi Coates is. Is a great writer. Ta Nehisi Coates is a joke. He doesn't know how to think. He's a. He's a purple writer who will use three adjectives where zero would do. He's overwrought, he's hysterical. And he hates the country. I mean truly hates America. Ta Nehisi codes and Western civilization more broadly has an entire piece over at Vanity Fair basically blaming Charlie for his own murder. Quote. Kirk subscribes to some of the most disreputable and harmful beliefs that this country has ever known. And Charlie Kirk, about as normie a Republican as you can find. But it is still chilling to think that those beliefs would be silenced by a gunshot. The tragedy is personal. Kirk was robbed of his life. And his children and family will forever live with the knowledge that a visual record of that robbery is just an Internet search away. And the tragedy is national. Political violence ends conversation and invites war. Its rejection is paramount to a functioning democracy and a free society. You know, I love hearing this from Ta Nehisi Coates, who literally said that he watched 911 happen while stoned on the roof of an apartment building and didn't feel anything. A person whose last book was all about the wonders, effectively of Palestinian terrorism, he never even mentions in a book about Israel and the Palestinians terrorism, not once. Because the entire book is a tacit justification for Palestinian murder and terrorism. He's very angry at Ezra Klein of the New York Times. I did an interview with Ezra a couple of weeks ago before Charlie's shooting. It finally aired earlier this week. It was very cordial conversation. I've had many cordial conversations with Ezra as I've had cordial conversations with many people with whom I disagree on the left. And many of those people were texting me and calling me to find out not only if I was okay, obviously I am, thank God, but also to express their horror, shock, dismay at what happened to Charlie is not a complete right left thing. Meaning there are radical leftists who endorse political violence and then tacitly endorse the thought structures that lead to it. Ta Nehisi Coates does that. He is part of the permission structure for violence. Ta Nehisi codes. And then there are people who are on the rational side of the left. They disagree with me on a lot of issues, but also they understand that these permission structures for violence are bad and wrong. And I got a call from, I don't know, two dozen of them over the course of the last week, including Ezra Klein. So Ezra wrote a piece in which he lamented the death of Charlie Kirk and said basically he was engaged in normie political conversation, which is true. And normally political conversation is fraught. And one of the games we can always play when any political commentator dies or is killed, you can always play this game is go find bad old tweets, go find a statement that, if you take it out of context, looks really, really bad, and then pretend that that person is that statement. You can play that game all day long. And it's the world's dumbest game, truly the dumbest game. But Ta Nehisi Coates is angry at Ezra Klein. He's enraged at Ezra Klein for having the temerity to suggest that Charlie's murder was really, really bad and that Charlie himself was not, in fact, an extremist, because Charlie was, in fact, not an extremist. So here's what Ta Nehisi Coates writes. Political violence is a virtue. Klein noted this assertion is true. It is also at odds with Kirk's own words. Absolute nonsense. Charlie never called for political violence, not once. That's insane. It's not merely that Kirk, as Klein put it, defended the Second Amendment, is that Kirk endorsed hurting people to advance his preferred policy outcomes. Okay? There is not a single time that Charlie Kirk suggested, quote, unquote, hurting people, hurting people using violence in order to achieve a political outcome. It is only Ta Nehisi Coates who in his tacit and not so tacit endorsement of terrorism has done so repeatedly. So what does he say? Quote, what are we to make of a man who called for the execution of the American President and then was executed himself? What in the world, what in the world. What he said about Joe Biden is that Joe Biden was a tyrant and should be put in prison and, or given the death penalty. That is not calling for the murder of Joe Biden. I disagree with that. I think it's overwrought. But the, but the notion that that is a call for overt political violence, I mean that that's a thing that Democrats say routinely about President Trump, all the while calling him Hitler, by the way. But here's what ta Nehisi Coates, again, just one of the true garbage bags in the, in the literature industry and also given control of comic books for dc which is just shows you how far the left the culture is. What are we to make of an NFL that on one hand encourages us to end racism and on the other urges us to commemorate an unreconstructed white supremacist? An unreconstructed white supremacist. Charlie Kirk literally fought off the Nick Fuentes white supremacists. That's why they hated him. And what of the writers, the thinkers and the pundits who cannot separate the great crime of Kirk's death from the, from the malignancy of his public life? Can they truly be so ignorant to the words of a man they've rushed to memorialize? I don't know. But the most telling detail in Klein's column was that for all his praise, there was not a single word in the piece from Kirk himself. Well, I mean, I could fill literally entire books with Charlie's normie political commentary. We all could because it was pretty normie again for the left, the desire to treat Charlie as an other who therefore was somehow responsible for his own death. That temptation is so strong because they have to project. They have to. With the left, every accusation is in fact an admission. Every accusation is truly an attempt to externalize a problem with themselves. Ta Nehisi Coates is a writer who has spent years, years creating permission structures for violence. But he's angry at Charlie after Charlie is, is murdered. Meanwhile, Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, he continues somehow to pretend that the burning of the gubernatorial mansion in Pennsylvania with him and his family inside, that somehow that was the result of right wing political violence. Medude you got nearly burned to death by a pro Palestine activist. And let us be clear where those reside, they reside on the political left. Here's Josh Shapiro being truly, truly unintelligent.

Barack Obama (39:55)

Unfortunately, some from the dark corners of the Internet all the way to the Oval Office want to cherry pick which instances of political violence they want to condemn. Listen, doing that only further divides us and it makes it harder to heal. Violence is never the answer. And we cannot allow violence to be used as a pretext for more violence.

Ben Shapiro (40:29)

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Barack Obama (44:12)

We are certainly at an inflection point, not just around political violence, but there are a host of larger trends that we have to be concerned about. I think it is important for us, as at the outset, to acknowledge that political violence is not new. It has happened at certain periods in our history.

Ben Shapiro (44:44)

Well, thank you for that. He continued by saying, you know, he disagreed with Charlie Kirk on everything, but he wasn't empowering, extreme. And then he blamed Trump. Of course, it's always about Trump. You see, he had nothing to do with the election of Donald Trump. I mean, sure, it was a direct backlash to Barack Obama, but it had nothing to do with him. Obviously, he's just an observer, a passive observer in America's national history.

Barack Obama (45:06)

When it happens to somebody, even if you think they're quote, unquote, on the other side of the argument, that's a threat to all of us. And we have to be clear and forthright in condemning it.

Ben Shapiro (45:24)

Now.

Barack Obama (45:27)

That doesn't mean that we can't have a debate about the ideas that people who were victims of political violence were promoting. And so I've noticed that there's been some confusion, I think, around this lately, and frankly, coming from the White House and some of the other positions of authority that suggest even before we had determined who the perpetrator of this evil act was, that somehow we're going to identify an enemy. We're going to suggest that somehow that enemy was at fault. And we are then going to use that as a rationale for trying to silence discussion around who we are as a country and what direction we should go.

Ben Shapiro (46:45)

So here's the thing. When Barack Obama does this, remember, this ties back into that FCC discussion we were having earlier. This right here is the narrative the left wants to retail. The narrative the left wants to retail is that Charlie Kirk's shooting is not about Charlie Kirk shooting, and it's not about the left. It's not about the left ties with political violence. It is not about the groups that support those political acts of violence. It is not about that. It's about the backlash to free speech. Right. So that is one of the reasons I'm objecting to muddying the waters with the kinds of stuff that we are seeing with regard to the fcc. Just going to note that by way of explaining, here's President Obama continuing.

Barack Obama (47:23)

Obviously, I didn't know Charlie Kirk. I was generally aware of some of his ideas. I think those ideas were wrong. But that doesn't negate the fact that what happened was a tragedy and that I mourn for him and his family. He's a young man with two small children and a wife who obviously and a huge number of friends and supporters who cared about him. So we have to extend grace to people during their period of mourning and shock. We can also at the same time say that I disagree with the idea that the Civil Rights act of 1964 was a mistake.

Ben Shapiro (48:23)

Okay, so he's extending grace to Charlie. Charlie gets shot. And he's not talking about the left wing ideologue who shot him. He's not talking about the movement that created the impetus for violence. He is extending grace to Charlie. Don't worry. This is captain antipolarization. He's extending his grace to Charlie because Charlie got shot. Well, isn't that nice of him? Isn't that generous of him? What a self centered. Here we go.

Barack Obama (48:55)

That's not me politicizing the issue. It's making an observation about who are we as a country. I can say that I disagree with the suggestion that my wife.

J.D. Vance (49:16)

Or.

Barack Obama (49:18)

Justice Jackson does not have adequate brain processing power. I can.

Ben Shapiro (49:30)

I can pause it for a second. Okay, if you actually go back to what Charlie said about the quote, unquote, brain processing power, I'm going to read you the direct quote. If we would have said three weeks ago that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. Okay, so his argument there is if you say that someone required affirmative action, that is a tacit admission. The person does not have the processing power that would have let them in. Just based purely on merit. That was Charlie's argument. But again, the idea that Obama is putting forth here is that Charlie was a racist. That is what he is trying to retail here.

Barack Obama (50:21)

We have to recognize that on both sides, undoubtedly there are people who are extremists and who say things that are contrary to what I believe are America's core values. But I will say that those extreme views were not in my White House. I wasn't embracing them. I wasn't empowering them. I wasn't putting the weight of the United States government behind extremists. Extremist views, and that.

Ben Shapiro (51:07)

Is.

Barack Obama (51:12)

When we have the weight of the United States government behind extremist views, we've got a problem.

Ben Shapiro (51:24)

So it's Trump's fault, because in his White House, they never emboldened extremist views, ever. I mean, that's something. He never emboldened extremist views. So really, it's the people who emboldened the extremist views. So eventually he does get to the permission structures for violence, but then he basically says it's coming from President Trump. I will note at this point that Barack Obama labeled his political opponents enemies, effectively all the time. Happened all the time. He literally had a man helping to run his National Security Agency, Ben Rhodes, a national Security advisor who was nicknamed Hamas. Barack Obama is a person who retailed the suggestion that opposition to gay marriage was, in and of itself, bigotry and evil. Barack Obama used the occasion of people being shot in order to promote the agenda of the shooters. Here was Barack Obama's speech with regard to a Ferguson grand jury decision over Michael Brown. I'll never forget this one. Michael Brown was a criminal who robbed a convenience store. And then when Michael Brown was confronted by a police officer, he reached into the police officer's car, discharged the police officer's gun, tried to run away, and then turned around and charged at the police officer. A series of lies were then told about the police officer. The suggestion was made that he had shot Michael Brown in the back in cold blood. That's where the whole hands up, don't shoot routine came from, from the political left. It was all a pack of lies. Every single bit of it was a lie. And then after a grand jury decided not to indict based on actual evidence, the President of the United States got up and said that actually none of it was a lie. People don't just make things up like this while the rioting was happening. But don't worry, he never emboldened extremism. Barack Obama.

Barack Obama (53:15)

What is also true is that there are still problems, and communities of color aren't just making these problems up, separating that from this particular decision. There are issues in which the law too often feels as if it is being applied in a discriminatory fashion.

Ben Shapiro (53:37)

By the way, like, the city was burning at this time. So that's a justification of the rioters. That's what that was. He would say, no, I'm against riot. I'm against rioting. It's really bad. But the rioters do have a point. You do have to acknowledge their concerns. Here is Barack Obama's speech after the murder. This is actually at a memorial service for slain Dallas police officers who were shot by a Black Lives Matter activist. Here is Barack Obama basically ripping on the officers.

Barack Obama (54:04)

And while some suffer far more under racism's burden, some feel to a far greater extent, discrimination stain. Although most of us do our best to guard against it and teach our children better, none of us is entirely innocent. No institution is entirely immune, and that includes our police departments. We know this.

Ben Shapiro (54:39)

Just amazing. Just amazing. But don't worry, he never elevated extremism again. This is why I say it's not enough to say political violence is bad. We all understand political violence is bad, or we should. But saying that is the equivalent of just saying violence is bad. It's a childish sentiment. It's a childish but true sentiment, but it doesn't actually do anything. What you actually need to do is call out the permission structures that enable this violence, the permission structures, the ideologies that foment this violence. And if you forward those ideologies while simultaneously claiming to be against political violence, I don't really believe you. I'm sorry, I don't. Meanwhile, President Trump has announced that he is going to target Antifa. He calls it a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster as a major terrorist organization. I will also be strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Now, Antifa is a very loosely agglomerated group. It involves a bunch of people who sort of cobble together. It's not like a rigid top down hierarchy. But using law enforcement resources to go after antifa groups is definitely worthwhile because it is an inherently violent organization. Without a doubt it is worth noting it this way, by the way, that Antifa is trying to actually facilitate, according to their own documents, they're trying to facilitate conflict on the right in order to distract from their own actions on the left. Quote. One possibly useful wedge issue in this context is Israel. Conspiracy theorists have already jumped to blame Crook's assassination on Mossad, claiming the lifelong Zionist was on the verge of becoming J. Pill. That's Antifa saying it. So, yeah, probably you should believe the people who were associated in a loose way at the very least with the shooter. Probably that, that seems like a. That seems like a. A good thing to do is probably do their work for them ideologically. Now that's a smart move. Meanwhile, the President of the United States is making moves to stop so called debanking. Debanking is when a bank decides that you are outside their ideological predilections and they are therefore not going to allow you to have a bank account. And again, just like, just like cancel culture, debanking has been applied to an enormous number of people who are just sort of mainstream. According to the Wall Street Journal, banks are now in the crosshairs. Many MAGA Republicans, Christian conservatives and cryptocurrency libertarians say America's banks are shutting down the personal and business accounts of people whose politics they don't agree with are unfairly refusing to work with certain industries, such as gun manufacturers or coal companies. The Alliance Defending Freedom is bringing these tales to Congress and the Trump administration is acting. In August, the President issued an executive order demanding an investigation into politicized or unlawful debankings. That is a positive thing the Trump administration is doing as well. Meanwhile, an immigration judge has now ruled that Mahmoud Khalil, the pro terrorist activist with the green card, should be deported to Syria or Algeria because as it turns out, he did not disclose certain information on his green card application, including that he worked for the unrwa, which is in fact just a wing of Hamas. The UN Refugee Works Agency has been dedicated to the Palestinian cause since effectively 1949. And the owner, RWA, is just a tool of Hamas and he didn't put that on his documents when he entered the country. So, yeah, I mean, that seems like a good reason to get rid of him. We never should have been let in the country in the first place. In a letter to the New Jersey federal judge, Khalil's lawyer said they have 30 days from September 12th to appeal her decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals. Apparently the appeal court almost never grants stays of removal to non citizens. So it is very likely that Khalil is in fact going to be deported, which would be a net benefit to the country. We do not need people like Mahmoud Khalil, one of the leaders of the Columbia University pro terror protest movement which engaged in criminal active. We don't need that guy in the country. Well, bye. Meanwhile, in economic news, the Fed cut the interest rates by a quarter point and signaled that more cuts are likely yesterday. Here was Jerome Powell, the header of the Federal Reserve.

Jerome Powell (58:56)

There wasn't widespread support at all for a, for a 50 basis point cut today. You know, I think we've done, we've done very large rate hikes and very large rate cuts in the last five years. And you tend to do those at a time when, when, when you feel that policy is out of place and needs to move quickly to a New place. That's not at all what, what I feel certainly now. I feel like our policy has been doing the right thing so far this year. I think we were right to wait and see how tariffs and inflation and the labor market evolved. I think we're now reacting to, you know, to the much lower level of job creation and other evidence of softening in the labor market and saying, well, those risks are maybe, maybe not fully balanced, but moving in the direction of balance now. And so that that warrants a change in policy.

Ben Shapiro (59:44)

So again, the markets kind of roiled at this. They didn't jump on this news. I think President Trump was expecting the markets to jump on the news. They really didn't. The reason being that Powell is acknowledging a slowing jobs market and that is the reason why he is having to lower the interest rates. So he's not doing it because the job markets are robust and inflation is coming down. He's doing it because inflation is coming down and the job markets are in fact, not robust. And so the markets are reading that the Wall Street Journal points out that President Trump now has control of the interest rates. He's got the Federal Reserve policy he wants. And so whatever comes next, it is very difficult to blame on Joe Biden. Quote. In their summary of economic projections released after this week's meeting, Fed officials anticipate two more 25 point rate cuts this year and another in 2026. At the same SCP projections can see that inflation is proving more persistent than anticipated. They now expect personal consumption expenditure inflation to hit 2.6% next year. That's up from 2.4% predicted in June. They don't actually expect to hit the rate of 2% until 2028. So even though inflation is still 50% higher, 40% higher than it should be, they're afraid that the economy is slowing significantly. As the Wall Street Journal points out, Powell struggled to articulate how monetary policy might make a difference. Neither of the negatives he mentioned, tariffs and President Trump's immigration crackdown, can be offset by lowering interest rates. Otherwise, he said, it's not a bad economy. Booming stock valuations and investor enthusiasm for low quality debt, among other symptoms, suggest financial conditions aren't especially tight as it is. They're making the point basically that the underlying factors in the economy that are weak are not going to be cured by cutting the interest rates. I think that is largely true. I think what you are likely to see is more of a bubble on the tech side. If that bubble bursts, it will be a worse downside and if you really want a booming economy, you should hope that the Supreme Court strikes down President Trump's tariffs. It really is that simple at this point. Alrighty folks, the show is continuing for our members. Right now we're going to get into more of the Epstein debate. What is the evidence show? Remember, in order to watch, you have to be a member. If you're not a member, become a member. Use Coach Shapiro. Check out for two months free on all annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us.