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Ben Shapiro
Stacked show Today, a Democratic attorney general nominee in Virginia was caught on text saying that he wanted to shoot political opponents and also that that political opponent's kids are actually small fascists. We'll get into the leftist permission structures for violence, how that's manifesting in attacks on ICE agents in Chicago, federal agents being unleashed in Portland. Plus latest on all of the Gaza negotiations in Israel, the United States and Arab countries in the region. First, we told you when the left attacks, we would only get louder. On Thursday, October 16th, we're turning the volume all here's your first look at the Daily Wire's new live show, Friendly Fire.
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Daily Wire Host
October 16th we celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the Daily Wire. 10 years of leftist tears. New shows, big moves, bigger targets. And first up is our newest show, Friendly Fire.
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Ben Shapiro
Usually I kind of like tune it out and then I come back in.
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Daily Wire Host
Like most of the time, no safe words, no moderator.
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Ben Shapiro
Not to be obscene, but those are underwhelming breasts. By the way. That is the best evidence that he did not draw because you know that he would have gone double D if he had drawn in.
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Daily Wire Host
We're celebrating our first decade and kicking off the next 10 years by doing what we do best, roll it back. Picking arguments, starting fights and filming the whole thing.
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Ben Shapiro
I find that horribly offensive. You almost ruined my marriage. We're always kind of looking forward to what's the next big thing this segment. No one is disagreeing, but I actually.
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Guest Commentator
Find the whole conversation very disagreeable and unpleasant.
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Daily Wire Host
October 16th on Daily Wire.
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Ben Shapiro
Welcome to week seven of the Pendragon cycle. Mark your calendars. Friendly Fire premieres October 16th at 7pm Eastern exclusively on Daily Wire. Plus, don't miss out. Join now. Get 40% off new annual memberships with code FALL40@DailyWire Plus.com well folks, as we'll explore in just a moment, I think it is fair to say the Democratic Party has a fairly serious violent extremism problem. We've been talking about this for weeks. Obviously all this reached its apotheosis with the murder of Charlie Kirk and the explosion of sympathy for the murderer among mainstream members of the press, certainly in places like X and Blue Sky. From the left, we now have some statistics to back up willingness to engage in violent activity in order to press forward a political agenda, particularly from the left. Thanks to Skeptic Research center, which is connected with Skeptic magazine, which is run by Michael Shermer. This brand new study investigates support for political violence among Americans and what it finds is that some 44% of very liberal people in the United States, 44% say, quote, violence is often necessary to create social change. Meanwhile, 28% of liberals say that as well. The levels of support on the right are not even close. Normal conservatives, only 20% say that people who consider themselves very conservative say violence is often necessary to create social change. In other words, more mainstream liberals than very conservatives believe that violence is often necessary to create social change. About one in three younger adults, according to the survey that be Gen Z and millennials express support for political violence. Liberal Gen Z women were more supportive of political violence than were Gen X and baby boomer men. And that makes some sense considering the fact that liberal Gen Z women constitute a huge percentage of the very far left. Not only that, this sort of belief system that people who are undereducated, people who are ignorant, that those are the people who are perfectly happy with political violence. Actually, it turns out political violence is a luxury belief. Americans with the highest level of educational attain, graduate or professional degree, or about twice as likely to support political violence than those with less formal education. As my friend Dennis Prager suggested, college these days is not teaching people wisdom. It is giving them information and not teaching them wisdom. Over half of black Gen Z adults agreed. Violence is often necessary to create social change. This of course is a massive problem, a gigantic problem. And of course the problem does skew young. If you look at how this breaks down according to age, what you see is that for the proposition violence is often necessary to create social change. 49% of liberal gen zers believe that violence is often necessary to create social change for millennials. 44% of millennials who are liberal believe violence is often necessary to create social change. Now, there are a large percentage of conservatives who also believe that. So again, the idea that this doesn't exist. Permission structures for violence only exist on the left. That's not true. But predominantly right now, they do exist on the left. And we are seeing that manifest day by day. When we cover the news. The news is always the stuff that's happening on top of the iceberg. It's the events that are happening in plain view. And then the stuff below the iceberg is the gigantic social support systems for the things happening at the top of the iceberg. And so when we talk about this story of a Democrat Virginia Attorney General candidate fantasizing about murdering a state GOP leader, you have to understand that the reason that that is happening is because of these gigantic thought structures that have been created and perpetuated generationally that say it is perfectly okay to Talk about murdering your political opponents because they are your political opponents. According to the Daily Wire, Democrat Virginia Attorney General candidate Jay Jones in recently uncovered text messages, fantasized about murdering a state GOP leader with, quote, two bullets to the head and then pissing on the graves of other Republicans. In text messages first obtained by National Review, Jones says to another lawmaker he would use two bullets to murder then GOP House Speaker Todd Gilbert. Three people, two bullets. Gilbert, Hitler and Pol Pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. Jones texted to Delegate Kerry coiner a Republican spoiler put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets every time. Earlier in the text messages, Jones expressed he would attend the funerals of Republican lawmakers in Virginia to piss on their graves, send them out a wash in something. So apparently what ticked him off is that there was a funeral for a Democrat in the state of Virginia, and the Republican GOP House Speaker Todd Gilbert went to that funeral for Democrat delegate Joe Johnson, who passed away at the age of 90 and said nice things. And this, of course, is what made Jay Jones very, very angry, the Democrat Virginia AG candidate. And so he texted this Republican state delegate, if those guys die before me, I will go to their funerals to piss on their graves, send them out a wash and something. And then again, he made the sort of old joke. And it is an old joke that if you're in a room and you have two bullets in your gun, there are these three people in the room and two of them are Hitler and Pol Pot. You put two bullets not in the truly evil people, but in this third person. Now, to be fair, that is kind of an old joke. But then he followed up. Then he followed up. A follow up message from Jones confirmed not only that he wanted to kill Gilbert, but also that he would like Gilbert's children to die. Okay, so this Republican state delegate wrote back, you weren't simply asking questions and you know it. And Jones wrote back, I genuinely was. I wasn't attacking you. I was trying to understand your logic. And the Republicans delegate wrote back, you weren't trying to understand. You were talking about hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. And you wrote back, yes, I've told you this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy. And the Republican state delegate wrote back, I point blank asked you more than three times and you dug in that you meant it. I honestly am questioning a lot today. This is in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder. This person went back and asked, did you mean that when you were talking about shooting people and this Democrat AG candidate wrote back, I mean, do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they are breeding little fascists? Yes. Okay, that is insane. Obviously, winsome Earl Sears, who is running for governor of Virginia right now and is currently Lieutenant governor under Glenn Youngkin, put out a statement calling for the resignation of Jay Jones, saying, quote, this is a horrible to read and should be wholly disqualifying of someone running for an office that protects the people of Virginia. Jay Jones's horrific comments are a symptom of the entire Democratic Party. And his running mate, Abigail Spanberger, needs to call him out, call on him to drop out. Attorney General Jason Mears has served the people of Virginia with honor and dignity and will continue to do so come November. Jay Jones can never be Attorney General of Virginia. Now, the way that the mainstream media have covered this, totally insane and quite wild, actually. First, they claim their allegations that Jay Jones wanted his political opponent. Those aren't allegations. He literally just said it. He literally just said it. It wasn't. Those aren't allegations. If you text someone and then you confirm over and over you mean a thing, and then you say that children should die because they're. They're little fascists. I mean, at a certain point, can we take you at your word? Politico reported it this way. And this just shows you the insanity of the legacy media. Quote, a string of text messages from Jay Jones, Virginia's Democratic nominee for Attorney general, where he mused about violence directed toward a political rival, is triggering widespread backlash and threatening to shake up the state's November election. So the story, as always, this is how it works. If Democrats do a bad thing, the story is Republicans pounds. If Republicans do a bad thing, the story is Republicans did a bad thing. I love that language there, that Jay Jones mused about violence. He was just musing a little bit amusing. You know, it's. It's what you do, like when you call for someone's murder, it's you musing about what would happen if something bad was. Were to happen to them. Pretty incredible stuff. There's no. I'm sorry. This again. This conversation apparently happened in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk being murdered. And so when we say that the legacy left, the mainstream left, has a soft spot in its heart for murder and terrorism, I wish I could say that weren't true. But it appears that there is a lot of truth to that statement and there's poll data to support it as well. And it's embedded systemically in the system if you are a member of a so called oppressed group, you can get away with literally attempting to murder a sitting Supreme Court Justice. If you happen to be a person who claims you are trans, you will get a lesser sentence. This is the other big lesson of the weekend in left wing violence. Alrighty folks, the violent permission structures don't just exist with regard to this Virginia AG nominee. They also exist in Chicago, in Portland, actually in London. The leftist violence permission structures continue. We'll get to all of it in a moment. First, when was the last time you bragged about your wireless company? 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Zip Recruiter is the smartest way to hire. So you'll recall that in 2022, there is a person who traveled to Justice Brett Kavanaugh's Maryland home and was caught outside the home with weaponry, with breaking and entering materials, getting ready to enter Justice Kavanaugh's home and kill him and harm his family. Well, he was just sentenced on Friday to eight years in prison. Why precisely did he not get 30 years behind bars, this person? Why? Why did the perpetrator not get 30 years behind bars, which is what you would get for, you know, attempting to murder a sitting Supreme Court justice? The answer is that the person who attempted the murder here now considers himself trans. And the entire media, they're going along with this. The entire media are now claiming that the Kavanaugh would be assassin is a woman. I am not even kidding you. They're using female pronouns, right? You must respect the pronouns of the person who claims to be a woman. I gotta say, women are getting real violent these days. Like, shockingly violent. I never would have expected, for example, a woman to be the person who tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh. And that's because it wasn't a woman. But here is the headline from NBC News, Woman Sentenced to 8 Years for Attempting to Assassinate Brett Kavanaugh. Woman. Okay, now I'm just going to point out, not a woman. Not a woman. The first paragraphs quote, a woman who pled guilty to attempting to assassinate Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh three years ago was sentenced Friday to more than eight years in prison. Sophie Rosky, now 29, was arrested near Kavanaugh's home in June and told officials at the time that she intended to kill the associate justice, then herself. She appeared in court on Friday for her sentencing in a yellow jail jumpsuit. Now, why exactly Is this, is this relevant? Well, the, the reason this is relevant is because the judge in this case, U.S. district Court Judge Deborah Boardman, gave this man 97 months in prison saying she felt that Rosky has shown remorse for her actions. According to NBC News, the judge also ordered that Rosky, whom she referred to as a transgender woman, needed a lifetime of supervised release. And the judge admitted full out that one of the reasons for the lenient sentence was the trans status, that that was one of the reasons. Boardman said that Rosky will be housed in a male only Bureau of Prisons facility and says she took that into consideration when considering the severity of the sentence. So good new rule for murderers. If you are a murderer or an attempted murderer and you wish for a lower sentence, simply claim that you are a woman and then talk about the hardship of having to be in a male only prison and they will let you out early so that you, a man, don't have to be with the other men in the prison because you claim that you are a woman. This is well below federal sentencing guidelines. Quote, this is an atypical defendant and an atypical case. Though she got far too close to executing her plans, the fact remains she abandoned them. Sophie Rosky's admission of guilt and effort to come clean did not occur after or even because she was caught in the act by police. If she had not called 911, law enforcement would never have known about Sophie Rosky and her plot to kill a Supreme Court justice. Just amazing, amazing stuff here. So again, the Here you have a person who literally attempted to kill a Supreme Court justice and the person is going to get a lower than recommended sentence because he is claiming to be a she. This is the way that apparently the, the mainstream left now thinks this person is a victim in some way. Now we should also remember that the reason that someone tried to assassinate Justice Brett Kavanaugh is because someone inside the Supreme Court leaked the draft opinion overturning Roe vs. Wade in Dobbs months early. And somehow, supposedly they still haven't caught the person. I guarantee you somebody knows who leaked that. I guarantee you somebody knows who leaked that. Undoubtedly it was some staff member in the Supreme Court building who was for one of the left wing justices in an attempt to create precisely the kind of pressure that led to the assassination attempt. Okay. Meanwhile, speaking of permission structure surveillance, it was a big weekend for this. Apparently there was an attempt to attack ICE agents over in Chicago and the situation got pretty dang fraught. It got pretty fraught in Chicago where a group of people legitimately mobilized to attack ICE agents. This of course led to Chicago and the State of Illinois attempting to claim that it was actually the fault of President Trump. The actual story here is apparently that a group of people mobilized in organized fashion in order to attack members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. According to the Department of Homeland Security, quote, this morning Border Patrol law enforcement officers were ambushed by domestic terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles. The woman, Maramar Martinez, driving one of the vehicles was armed with a semi automatic weapon and has a history of doxing federal agents. She took defensive fire from CBP agents and has b been discharged from the hospital and is currently in the custody of the FBI. The driver of another vehicle, Anthony Ian Santos Ruiz, involved in the ramming has been apprehended by law enforcement. The scene became increasingly violent as more domestic terrorists gathered and began throwing smoke, gas, rocks and bottles at DHS law enforcement. Another domestic terrorist was assaulted, was arrested for assaulting CBP at the scene. Following J.B. pritzker's refusal to allow local police to help secure the scene, Secretary Noem has deployed special operations teams to restore law and order. As our ICE law enforcement was responding to the shooting, a domestic terrorist followed them and rammed their vehicle in an attempt to run them off the road. This individual has also been arrested as an and is in HSI custody. An ICE vehicle popped a tire and was subsequently mobbed by domestic terrorists, forcing law enforcement to abandon the vehicle for their own safety. The vehicle was was significantly damaged. Several CBP law enforcement officers were sent to the hospital with various injuries. So this is an organized terrorist assault on agents of Border Patrol and ice. Again egged on by the left. I mentioned the movie at the end of last week, One Battle After Another, which is basically about glorifying this specific kind of activity. The movie literally opens with a raid on an ICE facility and I understand that's a piece of entertainment. I get it. I also understand that there is a permission structure that has been created by the left, that if you are doing the the brave work of resisting federal law enforcement in the enforcement of the law, somehow this makes you a hero. And not only that, the true villain is the person enforcing the law. This has been the case made by rotund governor of Illinois J.B. pritzker who said the feds need to get the heck out of Chicago. Well, you know, they might not be in Chicago in the first place if you just let them do their job. And if you inhibited people from violently.
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Guest Commentator
Assaulting officers, let me just say that the Secretary doesn't Know what she's talking about? She frankly says that people are clapping. They're not. They're booing her on the street, and they're booing ICE and cbp. They're marching the cbp marching on a beautiful Sunday in Michigan Avenue in downtown Chicago. They're raiding neighborhoods where instead of going after the bad guys, they're just picking up people who are brown and black and then checking their credentials. Are you a US Citizen? I don't know about you, but I don't carry around papers that say I'm a U.S. citizen. So you can imagine people are getting detained, they're getting arrested US Citizens. And they did this, of course, when they raided a building in the middle of the night in South Shore. 130 people that were emptied out of this building. They were going after a few, few gang members. And instead they broke windows, they broke down doors, they ransacked the place. And there were people that were held. I mean, elderly people and children, zip tied elderly people held for three hours at a time. They are the ones that are making it a war zone. They need to get out of Chicago. If they're not going to focus on the worst of the worst, which is what the president said they were going to do, they need to get the heck out.
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Ben Shapiro
So they need to get out of Chicago. Not the people who are violating the law. The people who are attempting to keep the law are the ones who need to get the heck out of Chicago. According to J.B. pritzker, who's also very upset because the president has said that he wants to use National Guard troops, perhaps to quell the violence in Chicago against law enforcement officers. Pritzker put out a statement saying that Trump had given him an ultimatum that he was going to federalize the troops. And he said, well, well, you know, it's absolutely outrageous. It's just terrible. Why is it that you have more ire for the people enforcing the law than the people violating the law? Why? And the answer has to do with a permission structure for violence. Meanwhile, Gregory Bevino, who's one of the top agents spearheading President Trump's crackdown on illegal immigration, blasted both Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson for feeding violence against Border Patrol and ICE agents. Here he was explaining, those individuals, like.
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Gregory Bevino
The governor or the mayor, they feed violence, they foment this violence. And I kind of scratch my head as to why they would do that, but they are actually feeding this violence and trying to get people hurt. I wonder if they actually want Border Patrol agents and ICE officers hurt at this point, I've almost came to that conclusion. It's a sad fact, but they can continually, they continually banter that rhetoric around. And I've not heard anything on the suspects that we've arrested, the bad people and bad things that we've arrested by the thousands. I know they said it was 800. It's over a thousand arrests now. In Chicago, just yesterday I was with Secretary Noem. We arrested an aggravated felon who had spent three years in prison for a firearms offense, walking the streets with immunity. What does the, what does the governor have to say about that? You never hear them say anything about that. That's awfully concerning to me.
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Ben Shapiro
And Secretary Noem herself says, listen, anybody who attacks federal agents will be hunted down and jailed. Here was the secretary.
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Kristi Noem
We're going to go out there and we're going to make sure that there's consequences for the way that they're behaving and that we're going to prosecute them, we're going to bring them to justice. We're not taking this anymore.
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Ben Shapiro
Are you? Coming up, more permission structures for violence from the left, ranging from London to Portland. First, what does the future hold for business? Ask nine experts. You will get 10 different answers. The market's bullish one day, bearish the next. Interest rates climb or plummet. Inflation surges or retreats, all depending on who's making the forecast. In a world of endless predictions and conflicting signals, wouldn't it be nice if someone could finally invent that crystal ball? Until then, over 43,000 businesses have future proofed themselves with NetSuite by Oracle. The the number one AI Cloud ERP that seamlessly integrates accounting, financial management, inventory and HR into one unified platform. This single source of truth delivers the visibility and control needed for rapid decision making, while real time insights and forecasting transform raw data into actionable intelligence about what lies ahead. 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Tubby Batman over here with his, with his mask on starts trying to shove him around. They shove him into a bit of a, a bit of a pit, start yelling at him and unfortunately this sort of violence has become fairly commonplace in Portland, sorter told Fox News. Nobody can take that video and say I was the aggressor in that situation, simply trying to walk down the sidewalk with my Camera I'm actually walking my car at the time they jumped in the way they blocked me. They start surrounding me. I keep trying to walk around them. They continue to push me. And then eventually one of them throws a punch. And then he says he went over to the police. And seven or eight minutes later, a sergeant walks up and points to me and says to the officers, cuff him. No reason given. The officers didn't know what they were doing. And Sorter said, listen, the officers, rank and file officers, they don't do anything unless they're given a direct order by one of their superiors. So somebody was telling somebody to arrest me. Meanwhile, the left continues to maintain that Portland must remain a federal law enforcement free zone. And this goes back years at this point. You remember during BLM when Antifa was attacking courthouses in Portland, and federal officers at that point were put in the courthouse in Portland to protect the courthouse. Well, meanwhile, federal judges are claiming that it's somehow a. A gigantic sin to mobilize the Oregon National Guard in Portland. The judge said, quote, this country has a long standing and foundational tradition of resistance to government overreach, especially in the form of military intrusion into civil life. This is a nation of constitutional law, not martial law. Well, what happens if the locality refuses to protect law enforcement officers in the pursuit of their duty? Stephen Miller, the Deputy Weisshouse chief of staff, he then put out a statement on X. Cole legal insurrection. The President is the commander in chief of the armed forces, not an Oregon judge. Portland and Oregon law enforcement, at the direction of local leaders, have refused to aid ICE officers facing relentless terrorist assault and threats to life. There are more local law enforcement officers in Oregon than there are guns and badges in the FBI nationwide. This is an organized terrorist attack on the federal government and its officers. And the deployment of troops is an absolute necessity to defend our personnel, our laws, our government, public order, and the republic itself. And again, there is a question here as to what exactly is federal law enforcement being instructed to do that is beyond their remit. Legally speaking. What law enforcement is being asked to do on the federal level is protect other law enforcement in the pursuit of their federally authorized duty. And that is being inhibited by judges, it's being inhibited by Democratic lawmakers, and it's being treated as some sort of act of heroism to resist federal law enforcement that is attempting to enforce immigration law. And again, this all ties into a broader willingness to, on the radical left, to wink, nod and massage those who are willing to do radical violence. Van Jones, who obviously is not of the Right. But is one of the only honest people on the left these days. He was on Bill Maher on Friday night and he torched Democrats over their response to Charlie Crook's assassination.
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Van Jones
I was very frustrated. People in my party throwing rocks at the corpse before it could even be buried. Blood still on the widow's shoes. And people want to post every dumb thing he ever said. He was 31 year old kid, right? If you got me at 31 years old, I was on the left side of Pluto. There is no telling what you would have had me saying.
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Ben Shapiro
So let's give some grace and some.
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Van Jones
Space even to our enemies.
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Ben Shapiro
What an adversary. And Van Jones, of course, is exactly right about all of this. The immense amount of sympathy for the killer, an attempt by the media to turn the killer into some sort of romantic lead in a. In a terrible knockoff of Dog Day Afternoon. An amazing, amazing thing. And this again is because, as we've been talking about four weeks, the left wing has fully fleshed out permission structures for violence. And those permission structures for violence exist in a wide variety of forms. In resistance to ice, in resistance to federal law enforcement, and yes, in support for Hamas. In support of a Palestinian terrorist state. There's a journalist named Matthew Syed who was in London for a gigantic protest in Trafalgar Square where police arrested 493 people. And he writes in the UK Times, I asked a simple question in a pro Palestine protest and it turned ugly. And here's what he writes, because you have to understand, you know, in lines and scavengers. I talk about the coalition of scavengers who just changed the flag at the front of the parade. But it's the same coalition. And whether they are going around arguing for global Marxism or whether they're going around arguing on behalf of terrorist groups, it's the same group of people. It's why Greta Thunberg just changes hats. She goes from global warming to global Marxism to free Gaza in a nanosecond. And it doesn't matter because the hat is the same. Western civilization sucks. And I'm willing to side with anybody who believes that Western civilization has to be uprooted. Here's what Syed writes. Quote, let me transport you into the heart of London, Trafalgar Square, no less. In a nation that likes to pride itself on tolerance, the rule of law and mutual respect. There is a circle of people on the lower tier of the square under the shadow of the National Gallery, surrounding a few hundred more holding placards proclaiming support for Palestine action. A Prescribed terror organization. I approach a group of three women, perhaps in their 50s, brown skinned, British accents, and one of them recognizes me. You're that journalist, Matthew Sedan. Yes. Can you talk? They assent. So I ask what I take to be a fair minded question to elicit their position and why they are here. Quote, who do you blame for what is unfolding in Gaza? Do you think Hamas bears any responsibility for the avoidance of doubts? I had rights. That was the extent of my question. I didn't say anything else about Hamas. That their founding charter is committed to the killing of Jews? That they've consistently said they wish to commit 10-7-style atrocities again and again. That they are funded by Iran, which wishes to expunge Israel from the pages of history. That the mullahs have sometimes insinuated that Muslims have a duty to kill Jews wherever they are found. Perhaps, who knows? The inspiration for a man called Jihad, born to a Syrian father who described the Hamas attackers as, quote, men of God on earth attempting mass murder in Manchester. No. All I asked was, is Hamas partially responsible? Here's what happened next, as their friendly faces turned to, well, something else. Go away. One said, Go away. You're a bad faith actor. We don't want to talk to you. Just f off. It's a really boring old line. You are disgusting. And he said, I am disgusting? Yes, you are disgusting. You are not a journalist. It is very clear what your position is here. Now their voices were getting louder. Off. Thanks for your time. I appreciate it. I said, retreating. But they were not finished. What are you doing here anyway? You are prejudiced. Hopefully nobody will ever buy a book you write. You are a charlatan. You are an effing racist. Now again, notice the victim mentality in the scavengers. They are asked a simple question. Who bears responsibility for what's happening in Gaza? Does Hamas bear any responsibility considering they started the war, refused to surrender and still have not given up the hostages despite their lip service to the idea of a deal? These people consider themselves the victims. And if you criticize them, you are a racist. You are victimizing them. You are doing them verbal violence. Saad writes. Those surrounding us started to join in. Well said, sister. Yeah, well said. Others in the enclosure began to applaud. I noticed a tall man with a Palestine flag a few meters away and he pointed at me, although I wasn't sure why. A younger woman approached and said, I've seen you all afternoon trying to get a rise from people. I only asked if Hamas is partly responsible. Is that so? Very provocative. You are here to cause trouble and you are going to get trouble, she said. Syed says I wish I could tell you this was a one off, but I spoke to at least two dozen people and with two exceptions, including a lovely black guy from North London who conversed intelligently and politely, the motivation for being here was obvious, potent and implacable. The hatred of Jews I heard conspiracy theories October 7th was a false flag operation, blood libels and the pervasive view that the Manchester atrocity was not an heinous attack but righteous comeuppance for an evil people. My sense is that many felt liberated to say what they really thought by the proximity of like minded others, the classic symptom of mob mentality, Syed says. What perhaps struck me the most was the vivid contrast between the ostensibly peaceful nature of the protest holding flags, going limp when they when arrested so they had to be lifted by four officers at a time and the latent violence of their views. As police carried off an elderly protester I talked to a little earlier and who was convinced of the virtue of his hateful opinions, protesters. Protesters started shouting at the young officers, shame on you. But are they not following the instruction of a democratically elected government, even if you disagree with it and upholding the rule of law f democracy f the police, you perhaps won't be surprised, I had said to hear that most were virulently left wing. I almost felt like crying as another anonymous hater, perhaps 22 white middle class accent started to lecture me about intersectionality and colonialist oppression. It was like woke bingo. I couldn't help asking about the oppression of women in Gaza, but her face went blank. How the f do you know women are treated badly or Amnesty International? This momentarily phased her. She couldn't quite place amnesty in the institutional framework of the Jew funded global conspiracy, but she recovered quickly. Well, I haven't read about that, but I have read about Jewish occupation and genocide, Syed says. How did protesters who weep for Gazans feel about the prospect of the killing ending? Because of course there may be a peace deal any moment. I can assert that almost nobody I spoke to showed the slightest interest. I haven't kept up with that one. I haven't read about it. If Netanyahu signed up, it must be awful, but surely it's a good thing if it brings an end to the slaughter, he said. Hesitation. But it won't be a just peace. I left Trafalgar Square even more convinced the government has demonstrated criminal complacency about the rise in anti Semitism over recent years. Now is the time for robust action. Otherwise we'll see more atrocities like Manchester. But remember, what's happening to Jews in London is happening to the west at large. You have barbarians inside our civilization imported by people in our civilization. And then you have fellow travelers from a wide variety of causes willing to stand next to them to tear down the institutions they feel are laying them low. That is why you have this MLE crew, this bizarre agglomeration of different interest groups all marching under the flag of Hamas. That is why. And they could not care less. Notice the silence about it. It's unbelievable. They could not care less if there is some sort of end to the war in Gaza. In fact, the ends of the war in Gaza will be bad for them because then how can they claim that the Jews are engaging in something awful? They'll have to find somebody else to yell at or a different way to claim that the Jews are engaged in something awful. Because when a lot of these people mean the Jews, what they don't mean the Jews, what they actually mean is just any western civilized power in conflict with pro terrorist, anti civilizational forces. They'll just switch that hat once again. 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And Israel has paused in place because the President has asked Israel to to do that. At this point, the President is very optimistic about some sort of deal. Hamas seems to be playing a game of yes, but which is smart. I mean, they're evil, but they're not stupid. And so Hamas has been playing a game where they say yes, we are totally for that deal, but here are 27 different changes we want to the deal. And the question becomes at what point everybody on the other side, meaning America, Israel and everyone else who has been on board with the original deal gets up and walks away from the table. And the onus is on Qatar and Turkey. I understand that the main players here are Israel and Hamas, but understand Hamas can only be cudgeled into some sort of deal here by Qatar, its sponsor state, and Turkey, its other sponsor state. Both of those states have been holding up Hamas for years. Qatar has been providing billions of dollars to Hamas. There's a reason that Hamas's leadership felt safe in Qatar up until precisely the moment Israel fired a missile at them in Qatar. You don't have to take my word for it when it comes to Qatari support for Hamas. I asked our friends and sponsors over at Comet, a project of perplexity, how much financial support has Qatar provided to Hamas since 2005? The answer. Qatar has provided an estimated $1.8 billion in financial support to Hamas run Gaza since 2005. This funding has included both direct cash payments and material assistance such as fuel, with regularly monthly transfers reaching $30 million per month at times, and occasional large pledges for reconstruction and aid projects. According to Comet, the aid has periodically included annual commitments such as a $400 million pledge in 2012 and a $360 million annual pledge from 2021, monthly cash transfers around $30 million per month from 2018 onwards, and emergency grants. And from 2007 to 2014, Qatar's financing was mostly independent, sometimes through secret or informal channels outside international oversight. A Significant portion of Qatari assistance is delivered as fuel, which Hamas then sells for cash and has humanitarian aid that is controlled or dispersed by Hamas. So, yes, Qatar has been and remains the number one supporter of Hamas. Turkey, meanwhile, has become a safe haven for members of Hamas who have left the Gaza Strip for medical treatment. Turkey and Qatar are the ones who have the capacity to turn the screws on Hamas and get to a deal. This is true October 8th as well. It is why? The policy that I advocated, literally days after October 7th, that could have avoided nearly everything that has happened in the Gaza Strip would have been the United States going to Qatar and saying the military base goes away unless Qatar forces Hamas to release all of the hostages and its leadership to go into exile. That would have short circuited the entire war. But Qatar was unwilling to do that because of course, Qatar plays both sides. At a certain point, Qatar is going to have to be held to account for its clients in Hamas. At a certain point, I understand that we are trying to forge a warm relationship with Qatar. I understand that we have an air base there and also that the United States has an interest, presumably in Qatar acting as a mediator. But Qatar is not an honest broker. And at a certain point, either Qatar can get it done or they can't get it done. We just signed a mutual defense agreement, which effectively means that if Iran or Israel or anybody else attacks Qatar, the United States has to come to the defense of Qatar. One question, are you willing to die for Doha? Is one of those questions. But beyond that, the screws need to be put to Qatar and Turkey to actually fulfill their pledge here. If they can get it done, then they should get it done because Hamas keeps getting squirrely. Hamas is now demanding the release of arch terror masters, people who are effectively like Yahya Sinwar, the former head of Hamas who was killed by Israeli forces after masterminding October 7th. Hamas is now asking for the release of somebody like Marwan Barghouti, who of course is a terrorist mastermind who would immediately take leadership of whatever the newest terror cell is in the Gaza Strip, or Judea and Samaria, the so called West Bank. Hamas keeps trying to change the terms of the deal and the President has made clear over and over and over again that either it's going to be a deal or Israel is going to have free reign to go in and finish the job in Gaza City. And then the implementation of the Trump peace plan will just happen whether Hamas likes it or not. And if the hostages are still being held, the Hamas plan still will be put into place. Hamas will be defenestrated as a military group. It will be worse for Israel because Israel won't get the hostages back, but it will also be worse for Hamas because no one from Hamas will survive in the end. The president on Saturday told Axios, quote, we are close to a peace deal in Gaza. He said, bibi, this is your chance for victory. He was fine with it. Trump said, he's got to be fine with it. He has no choice with me. You got to be fine now. President Trump is pushing very hard because he believes that this is the opening. President Trump said, we had great receptivity for our plan. Every country of the world in favor. Bibi is in favor. Hamas went a long way. They want to do it the now. We will need to close it. Trump said that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who's about to receive a bunch of F35s from the United States, I think that is, that is a bad idea considering the Islamist nature of the regime in Turkey. But he says that Erdogan was, quote, very helpful in pressing Hamas to move forward. Erdogan helped a lot. He's a tough guy, but he's a friend of mine and he was great. Okay, fine. Well, if these are friends of the United States, then they ought to do the work. The onus is on Qatar and Turkey to get to the end of the process here because they're the only ones truly, who, who can force Hamas to end this process. They are the only allies that Hamas effectively has left. President Trump is very optimistic. Yesterday, he spoke to the press in a bit of a gaggle, and he said a lot of countries surrounding Israel are pushing. It looks like it's working.
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Kristi Noem
Deadline for Hamas to release the host.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, we're going to very quickly. We had some very good meetings. The countries of the world, a lot of the countries surrounding Israel, frankly, Muslim, Arab and many others, have had great meetings with Hamas. And it looks like it's working. So we'll wait for a little while, see how it all turns out.
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Kristi Noem
When will the administration begin firing?
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Donald Trump
Very, very quickly? I think it's going to go very quickly. The meetings seem to be very good. We'll find out. We'll let you know soon.
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Ben Shapiro
Now, listen, there is tremendous optimism certainly on the Israeli side that the hostages will come home, which has become the number one priority of, of the Israelis. The question is what they're willing to do to get the hostages. Are they willing to effectively lose the war? Are they willing to guarantee some sort of cordon where the Israeli military will not be the the guaranteeing security force. And what exactly is the deal the president has pointed out there that would have Israel drawing back to a line that's a couple of miles from the Mediterranean Sea, a line that they were holding a few months back, drawing outside of Gaza City in exchange for the hostages, and then Hamas giving up its weaponry, Hamas not being a part of the future governing body of whatever takes place next. Tony Blair is, of course, supposed to be one of the people who's deeply involved in that governing body, a transitional authority that would also be run by the uae, by Saudi, Qatar, presumably, would be involved in that way. So the deal is still taking shape. The question, as with any deal, is when are you willing to get up to.