Podcast Summary: The Ben Shapiro Show
Episode: Ep. 2309 - Tucker Carlson Sabotages America
Date: November 3, 2025
Host: Ben Shapiro (The Daily Wire)
Episode Overview
In this episode, Ben Shapiro conducts an in-depth, no-holds-barred discussion about the growing fragmentation of the American political right. Shapiro attributes this division to an extremist splinter faction led by Nick Fuentes (the Groypers), and claims their normalization is being facilitated by Tucker Carlson, with support from mainstream conservative institutions like the Heritage Foundation. Shapiro denounces both Fuentes' ideology and Carlson's role in mainstreaming dangerous, anti-American viewpoints, warning of dire consequences for conservatism and the country if this trend continues.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Setting the Stage: The Right’s Fragmentation
- Ben Shapiro opens by stating he will focus the entire episode on the right’s current internal crisis (00:28).
- He blames a purposeful splintering by the “Groypers,” a white supremacist faction led by Nick Fuentes.
- Shapiro’s central thesis: “The main agent in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend.” (01:32)
- Shapiro clarifies:
- This discussion is not about free speech or cancel culture, but about drawing moral boundaries within the conservative movement (01:40–03:10).
2. Documenting Nick Fuentes’ Extremism
- Shapiro exposes the full extent of Fuentes' views, stressing that Tucker Carlson “smoothed over” or ignored them in his recent interview (03:10–08:45).
- Sample of Fuentes' abhorrent statements:
- On women: “A lot of women want to be raped…” (04:18, Nick Fuentes)
- Encouraging violence: “I will kill, rape and die for Nicholas J. Fuentes.” (04:43)
- On Jim Crow: “Who cares? … It’s better, it’s better in general.” (05:48–06:21)
- On racism: “White people are every single bit justified in being racist…” (06:25)
- Admiration for Hitler, Holocaust denial, and anti-Semitism (06:59–08:34).
- “Hitler was… really fucking cool. The math doesn’t seem to add up there [on Holocaust deaths].” (06:59–08:34)
- Calling for violence against Jews and removal from America (08:45–11:14).
3. Tucker Carlson’s Pattern: Ideological Laundering
- Characterization of Tucker Carlson:
- Shapiro says since leaving Fox News, Carlson has become a “conspiracist and a crank and a pathological liar” (12:48).
- Accuses Carlson of excusing dictators like Putin and Iran’s regime, praising Qatar and Venezuela, minimizing Hamas’s extremism, and focusing attacks on conservatives over leftists (12:53–20:53).
- Shapiro: “Tucker Carlson acts as an ideological launderer... He takes other people’s hideous ideas, softens them, treats them with love and care and then provides them with a massive signal boost.” (20:53)
- Shapiro lists problematic Carlson guests and soundbites, including pro-Hamas, pro-China figures, Andrew Tate, and Holocaust minimizers (21:56–25:31).
4. Carlson's "Gaslighting" and Opportunism
- Carlson's criticism of Fuentes and subsequent capitulation:
- Carlson attempted to label Fuentes a “weird little gay kid… and a fed as well” (28:00–28:29).
- Fuentes retorted that Carlson is an “expert on gaslighting” and a phony populist (28:48).
- Shapiro: “Nick Fuentes is absolutely 100% correct. Tucker is a coward. … He let Nick Fuentes cuck him.” (30:19)
- Indicator of Carlson’s cowardice and opportunism in the face of online supporter pressure.
5. Charlie Kirk, TPUSA, and Conservative Betrayals
- Fuentes’ targeted assault on Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA:
- Groypers’ campaign to “destroy TPUSA from the inside” (32:11).
- Open vitriol and calls for harassment against Kirk, calling him “unexceptional,” “fake Christian,” “fake patriot,” and pushing for all “firepower” to be focused on him (32:57–34:01).
- Audio of Charlie Kirk rebuffing white identitarianism (34:15–35:35).
- Aftermath:
- Shapiro accuses Carlson of using Kirk’s death to deflect blame onto Jews, ignoring the actual far-left, “trans tifa” motivations of the killer (35:35).
- “Tucker Carlson has seen fit to launder Nick Fuentes, the person who hated Charlie most and who wished him destruction. That’s not an act of friendship, it’s an act of sick evil.” (35:35)
6. The Heritage Foundation’s Role
- Shapiro expresses admiration for the Heritage Foundation’s historic conservative leadership (37:33–).
- Criticizes current leadership for declaring unwavering support for Carlson post-Fuentes:
- Heritage’s president, Kevin Roberts, suggested only “members of the globalist class” oppose Heritage’s support for Carlson (37:33).
- Shapiro: “Kevin’s statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation’s history and principles…” (37:33–end section)
7. Consequences & Call to Action
- Shapiro’s core warning:
- The mainstreaming of Fuentes’ and Carlson’s ideologies will hollow out the GOP, doom it electorally, and lead to “moral oblivion” (End).
- “Neo Nazis and their propagandizers are not Republicans. … They are not America first, they are not MAGA, they sure as hell aren’t conservative.” (End)
- Final call: “No to the Groypers. No to their publicists like Tucker Carlson… No to anti-Americanism. No.” (End)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Free Speech and Moral Boundaries:
“It is not cancellation to draw moral lines between viewpoints. In fact, we used to call that one of the key aspects of conservatism.” – Ben Shapiro (02:20) -
On Fuentes’ Extremism:
“A lot of women want to be raped… there’s like a lot of women that really want a guy to beat the shit out of them…” – Nick Fuentes (04:18)
“Hitler was… really fucking cool.” – Nick Fuentes (07:09)
“When we take power, they need to be given the death penalty straight up… They must be absolutely annihilated when we take power. … This is Christ’s country.” – Nick Fuentes (09:42–10:40) -
On Tucker Carlson’s Approach:
“Tucker Carlson acts as an ideological launderer for other people’s evils.” – Ben Shapiro (20:53)
“He takes other people’s hideous ideas, softens them, treats them with love and care and then provides them with a massive signal boost.” – Ben Shapiro (20:59) -
On Carlson v. Fuentes:
“Tucker instituted his final stratagem. He let Nick Fuentes cuck him. He brought Nick Fuentes on to legitimate his ideology. He signal boosted Fuentes, glossed him, shined him, presented him to the world.” – Ben Shapiro (30:19) -
On Heritage Foundation’s Statement:
“Kevin’s statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation’s history and principles, which is presumably why both Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes loved it.” – Ben Shapiro (37:33) -
Final Summation:
“This is our country, this is our party, and this is our conservative movement. And I will not stand by while it is handed over to those who betray the most fundamental principles. … If we lose the right, we will lose to the left and either way we’ll lose the country.” – Ben Shapiro (End)
Timestamps for Key Segments
- 00:28 – Theme introduction: Fragmentation of the right by Groypers, aided by Tucker Carlson
- 03:10–11:14 – Explicit documentation of Fuentes’ extremist, racist, and anti-Semitic rhetoric
- 12:48–20:53 – Shapiro’s portrait of post-Fox News Tucker Carlson: cozying up to dictators, laundering bad ideas
- 20:53–31:33 – Carlson’s ideological laundering, Fuentes’ critique and their interplay
- 32:11–35:35 – Destruction of TPUSA and Charlie Kirk by Groypers; Shapiro on betrayal
- 37:33–End – Critique of Heritage Foundation, pragmatic warning, and emphatic call to defend conservatism’s core moral boundaries
Conclusion
Ben Shapiro delivers a pointed, impassioned solo episode indicting Tucker Carlson and the mainstream right for empowering extremists like Nick Fuentes. He argues that this unsavory alliance, and its acceptance by pillars like the Heritage Foundation, threatens to morally and electorally doom the conservative movement. Shapiro demarcates the boundary between principled conservatism and the abhorrent ideologies being laundered by media and institutional figures, ending with a forceful rejection and a call for moral clarity.