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The Ben Shapiro Show. China is growing by leaps and bounds in terms of manufacturing. What does that actually mean? How should the United States actually orient its national security strategy to stop China? What does that mean for Russia? We'll get into the weeds on all of this. How do we stop China? How do we stop Russia? How do we strengthen America in the world first this year? Bring me with you for all your holiday travel. What could be more fun? Download that daily Wire plus app and take the show everywhere you go inside the app, Tap, follow under my picture and get notifications the second I go live or drop a new episode. Step away anytime. Come back exactly where you left off. Plus, you can watch the same clips everybody is arguing about on social media without having to suffer through social media. You can even download episodes for offline listening. The app is where our community lives. Chatting live during shows, sharing ideas, debating the big questions. And because it's ours, it can't be canceled, censored or shut down. Download that daily Wire plus app right now in the App Store, Google Play, Roku, Samsung, and more. The United States right now is facing down an existential threat. That existential threat, of course, does come from a lack of willpower. It comes from a doubt about what America is. But in terms of foreign policy, that existential threat comes from a team up that has been growing. That team up is between China, which is really the sponsor state of the anti American bloc, along with its friends like Russia and Iran. The existential threat doesn't mean that China is going to attack the United States. It does mean that as the United States recedes from the world, as Russia expands its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe, as China expands its sphere of influence not just in the Far east, but also in Africa, across the rest of Asia, into South America, the United States is going to be in the unenviable position of having to withdraw from the world. And a United States that is no longer able to guarantee freedom of the seas, United States with no economic allies, a United States that is sort of a secondary partner as opposed to China being a primary partner for all the rest of these countries is a United States that has an economy that is shrinking, a United States that is forced within its own borders. And that is a problem that is not a good thing. That is a problem. There is this bizarre notion that has arisen on the right that if the United States were to be essentially autarkic, if the United States were to withdraw from the west of the the rest of the world suddenly, things would get better. That the amount that we expend in foreign aid, for example, or military expenditure is a complete waste of money. If we just spend that money at home, then magically everything gets better. The problem, of course, is that the world is interconnected. The reason that you are able to obtain better, cheaper products that make your life easier every single day is because the interconnection of world trade makes that possible. And that of course, is only possible because of the power of the United States economy and the power of the United States military. Why do I bring that up? Well, because China seems to be posing a broader and broader threat. And yet there is a bizarre unwillingness on the left to acknowledge the threat that is China. And on the right there seems to be an unwillingness to deal with the actual realities of what it would mean to face down China in a responsible and coherent fashion. So the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that China is actually growing at the expense of the rest of the world. According to Greg ip, writing for the Wall Street Journal, who has contributed more to the rest of the world's growth this year? China or the United States? The answer is the United States, and it's not even close. Even as the US rolls out tariffs, its imports are up 10% so far this year from a year earlier. And as China moralizes against protectionism, its imports are down 3% in dollar terms, the US figures might be an anomaly, reflecting people attempting to get around the tariffs by importing product before the tariffs went into effect. But China's are not. In the past five years, its export volumes have soared while imports have flatlined. China is swallowing up a growing share of the world's market for manufactured goods. This reveals an uncomfortable truth. Beijing is pursuing a beggar thy neighbor growth model at everyone else's expense. According to economists at Goldman Sachs, 1% more output in China in the past would raise the rest of the world's output by 0.2% as it pulled in imports because we would then export to China. But as China has raised its own tariff barriers instead, the relationship has turned negative. China's growth is now being driven by its leadership's determination and capability to further advance manufacturing competitiveness and boost exports. So for the rest of the world, theoretically, that could be a good. Because that means cheaper stuff coming into the United States. But there's also a problem in that they are emptying out our manufacturing sector. Okay, but what this has led to in the west is the bizarre perception that what we ought to do is radically increase tariffs, not just on China, which would be retaliatory and worthwhile, but on every place else. And that, of course, is a gigantic mistake. And this leads to questions about the overall policy of the United States vis a vis China. What exactly are we trying to do vis a vis China? Now, I've made the case that if you wish to face down China, you have to do a few things. One is you need closer relationships, not more attenuated relationships, closer trade and security relationships with other countries surrounding China, including Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, India. You need better relations with those countries so as to box in China and essentially isolate China. If China wants to cheat, if they don't want to play by the rules, if China wishes to beggar its neighbor, let them pursue an autarkic economic policy. The thing about autarky is that it tends to make the country pursuing it poorer over time. Initially, it looks like an explosion of economic activity, but over time, as countries start pouring resources into. Into less efficient modes of manufacture in order to do it at home rather than to import those products from abroad, they tend to empty themselves out. And this is the common pattern in economics. Every mercantilist or fascistic economic system that has worked like this shows very good early growth numbers. And then that growth curve eventually peters out and the country ends up with economic stagnation. This happened in Japan. It happened in South Korea. If you go back prior to World War II, this happened in Germany. We One of the reasons that Germany under the Nazis had to become an expansionist power is because Germany tried to pursue economic autarky in the 1930s. And they saw for a brief moment in time, a gigantic manufacturing boom. People getting off of the unemployment lines, moving out of the Weimar Republic era. But as it turns out, they were doing that again based on state expenditures that actually made them less economically viable over the long term. And so then they had to turn to actual physical territorial expansionism. Autarky very often turns into a necessity for expanding your access to resources, which leads actually to invasions of other countries. It is not a coincidence that countries that tend to embrace a very mercantilistic policy, an economic policy that focuses on let's build everything right here at home. When they can't, they then have to expand their own territorial borders or the places under their immediate dominion. Free trade generally means that you don't have to invade other places because you can trade with those other places already. Coming up, how do we stop China? They have a strategy. Do we? 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That's L M E n me Shapiro for 15% off on top of any offers or sales running on their website so when you look at China, how would you stop China? Well, you need to do a few things as we say. One, build up better security and economic relationships in the Far East. Also build up better security and economic relationships, yes, with Europe. And that means that we can use tariffs as a way to force the Europeans to get rid of their non tariff barriers. One of the ways I would be forcing the Europeans to pay their fair share is by using things like tariffs in order to push the Europeans to pay their fair share. When it comes to, for example, the price of pharmaceuticals, Europe pays far less than what the actual market rate should be for pharmaceuticals. And then the United States ends up paying for that via our taxpayers and via our consumers. And that's just the way that it works. We should stop that, right? There are things that we can do to fight the non tariff barriers and also the unfairness of our systems with Europe. But the thing we should be pursuing in the end is freer trade, better relationships. Because if you're going to box in China, you need to offer both carrot and stick. The stick to China, but carrots to our friends. And when it comes to achieving carrots for our friends, we can actually offer a little bit of the stick in order to achieve the carrot. That is why I'm not against using tariffs as a way to pressure other countries to lower their tariffs. This is a case that Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant has made. So you need to box China in. You need to treat them like the adversary they are. You need to build out other lines of supply, need supply chains that are diversified. So we're not as reliant on China. Right. These are all the things you would need to do. You would need to cut off China's allies at the knees. So if Russia is expending extensive resources in Ukraine, for example, and it's hollowing out their economy, if it's making them poorer, if it's making them more dependent on China, if in fact Russia is adversarially connected with China against the United States, which again, is the philosophy of duganism, which is the sort of guiding light of the way that Vladimir Putin thinks. If we believe, as we should, that Russia is a geopolitical adversary of the United States, then obviously we should be pursuing an attempt to get Russia to stop invading Eastern Europe. And that means supporting allies in the region to the extent necessary to stop the Russians. Because it's not as though Russia and China aren't talking to each other. They are talking very extensively to each other. If we are attempting to form a better relationship with India, then we should be attempting to form a better relationship with India. We should be trying to make trade relations with India so beneficial to India that they don't want to trade with the Chinese. There are natural differences in opinion between China and India which have nearly come to blows several times over the course of the last several decades. India and China are not working hand in glove. They have actual territorial conflicts. We could be attempting to pry India out of China's sphere of influence. Right? These are all things that a responsible foreign policy would do. And then we certainly would not be shipping many of the most important components in the battle for the future to China. China's already stealing our ip. China's already cheating when it comes to trade relationships. China is already beggaring its neighbor. Why should we be sending, for example, some of our most sophisticated microchips produced in the United States or via tsmc? Why should we be allowing those to flow into China? Even if we're going to argue that it's only a marginal increase in China's capacity, why would we allow that increase in China's capacity? China is our geopolitical enemy. They are our opponent. Trying to pretend otherwise is foolish because if you allow China to continue pursuing its normal policies, China will in fact blow itself out. Here are China's problems. China has a serious demographic problem. It does not have enough people. I know it's a weird idea, but. But China is in steep demographic decline. China had a one child policy for decades. That means they do not have enough human beings in China. Even though it's got a billion people, they do not have enough human beings to actually be able to generate the economic growth necessary to pay for their gigantic redistributionist schemes and mercantilist ideas. They don't. They have a massive demographic problem. They have an enormous debt problem. They've been burying that debt problem in local and regional debt issues. Them building gigantic empty cities rooted in debt that they're taking out from their own citizens and against their own citizens. They have an enormous debt problem in China. And we always tend to look. This is just the way that people treat economics. They tend to look at the fact that China builds some nice things and say, wow, they must be doing it right. But the fact is, then mercantilism looks systematic when you look at the areas where they succeed. And it looks like a trash heap when you look at the areas where they don't succeed. And the areas where you don't succeed in a centralized economy are the areas that tend to be ignored. And it's a lot of them. Capitalism looks really messy, but has a much higher hit rate because capital follows the best ideas. You don't just keep investing in bad ideas the way you do with a centralized economic system like a China, for example. So there are ways to box in China.
