Donald Trump (6:02)

Here's the book. These are all things we have. I'm going to read a few of the samples, but look at this. These are all each line is something that we did. Nobody did that Before. And it's big stuff, too. Look, we have the hottest country in the world.

Ben Shapiro (6:21)

He reads that book the way I read ads for Jeremy's Razors. I really do enjoy that. The president just taking it and chucking it on the ground because he's got better things to do. The reality is, of course, it has been a very effective first year for the second term of the Trump administration. Overall, he went ahead and said that God was very proud of his first year, which, again, you'd imagine most presidents would believe about their performance in office.

Donald Trump (6:46)

Do you feel like God is proud of the effort that you. I do, actually. I think God is very proud of the job I've done, and that includes for religion. You know, we're protecting a lot of people that are being killed. Christians, Jewish people, and lots of people are being protected by me that wouldn't be protected by another type of president.

Ben Shapiro (7:06)

Again, he's not wrong about that either. And the President says that a huge number of the new jobs that have been created are private sector, as opposed to in the public sector. On the federal level, because of things like Doge here, he was explaining about job growth in the private sector.

Donald Trump (7:22)

Under Trump, 100% of all new jobs created have been in the private sector. Think of that. Not 1% has gone to federal. So under Biden, 1 out of 4 was a government job. Under Trump, 100% of the new jobs created, 100% came from the private sector. That's how you make your country wealthy and strong and good.

Ben Shapiro (7:48)

Again, he is not wrong about that either. And while job creation has lagged behind the robustness of the market, the hope, of course, is that productivity increases will eventually result in job increases as well. The President of the United States also pointed out the reverse migration that has followed hard upon his shutting of the southern border and his activation of Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the interior of the United States.

Donald Trump (8:11)

For the first time in 50 years, we are now seeing reverse migration, where we're getting. Because we're getting all of these illegal people out, people that came in illegally. Many cases, they're criminals in many, many cases. You remember when they used to say that the people that come into our country as immigrants are very nice people. They're wonderful people. They don't commit crime. No, they make our criminals look like babies. They make our Hell's Angels look like the sweetest people on Earth. The Hell's Angels are now considered a nice, high quality person.

Ben Shapiro (8:48)

Now, with all of that said, the reality is that the President does end his first year in his second term in pretty bad position in terms of his approval ratings. According to the Real Clear Politics polling average, the President's disapproval rating is currently standing at about 56%. His approval rating is standing on average at about 42 and a half percent. That is of course, down wildly from where it was even one year ago. If you go back about a year where, where you end up with is the president riding about 50% in the approval ratings, disapproval ratings of 45%. So you've seen the numbers orienting in the wrong direction for the President. And again, we've looked at all these victories and you wonder what's going wrong. And the biggest thing that it feels like is going wrong is mostly just a feeling of unsettledness. It feels as though everything is in flux. It feels as though economically things are even, are in flux, thanks to both the fact that AI is developing and nobody kind of knows what that's going to do, but also the fact that we've had these gigantic tariff wars that seem to Bob and Flo every five seconds. On the foreign policy front, we've had an awful lot of chaos because nobody seems to know what is the thoroughgoing message of the Trump administration. And that seems to be exacerbated by the latest hubbub about Greenland and tariffs and fights with NATO and fights with our European allies. While Davos, the World Economic Forum is on, it began this week, a huge number of big names are coming. That's particularly true of the Trump administration. According to cnbc, President Trump is attending in person. We will be breaking down that speech. We'll of course have updates a little bit later on in the day about that speech and other speeches, but we'll do our sort of full breakdown tomorrow on the show. He gave a virtual address last year at the WEF and it shook up the event. Davos organizers, according to cnbc, are keen to talk up the numbers they expect to attend. They said about 3,000 cross sector leaders and a record 400 political leaders. But a bunch of people are not, are not intending to come. And that includes a number of European leaders who are concerned with the President's quite confrontational stance with regard to Greenland. There's some other big names who are not showing up as well. Chinese President Xi Jinping is not showing up. Neither are the leaders of Brazil or India, apparently. UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and Italian leader George Meloni are not currently on the WEF list. Both are reported to be attending at some point. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was originally supposed to Attend. Apparently, that is not going to happen. However big showing from the Trump administration. The U.S. delegation will include, of course, the President, but also the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessens is already there. Middle east special envoy Steve Witkoff and Advisor Jared Kushner are apparently showing up as well. Well, among the people who are already there are Howard Lutnick, who is the Commerce Secretary, and the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant. Howard Lutnick gave a speech at Davos yesterday in which he suggests that globalization has failed.

Donald Trump (11:50)

We are in Davos at the World Economic Forum, and the Trump administration and myself, we are here to make a very clear point. Globalization has failed the west and the United States of America. It's a failed policy. It is what the WEF has stood for, which is export offshore, farshore, find the cheapest labor in the world, and the world is a better place for it. The fact is it has left America behind. It has left the American workers behind. And what we are here to say is that America first is a different model, one that we encourage other countries to consider, which is that our workers come first. We can have policies that impact our workers. Sovereignty is your borders. You're entitled to have borders.

Ben Shapiro (12:49)

You shouldn't offshore your medicine.

Donald Trump (12:51)

You shouldn't offshore your semiconductors. You shouldn't offshore your entire industrial base.

Ben Shapiro (12:56)

And have it be hollowed out beneath you. You should not be dependent. Now, again, what's kind of astonishing about the statements that Lutnick is making right there is that some of it obviously is true, that when you offshore, for example, the autonomy of your country to international bodies, it prevents you from acting on behalf of your citizenry. But if the idea is that free trade itself is the problem, which seems to be something that he is promoting there, or if the idea is that every country should start to reshore its key facilities or its key trading apparatus, if that happens, what you're looking at is a significantly more multipolar world, not a world dominated by the United States of America. At the very same time that Howard Lutnick was saying that the Commerce Secretary, the Treasury Secretary was there, and he was encouraging the Europeans to take a deep breath, not to escalate with President Trump. As President Trump pressures them over Greenland.

Seth Gruber (13:50)

Four years in, the Europeans are still financing the war against themselves.

Donald Trump (13:55)

All right, let's talk about.

Ben Shapiro (13:56)

But what I do want to say.

Seth Gruber (13:58)

Is, yes, same thing that I said after Liberation Day on April 2nd. Everyone take a deep breath.

Donald Trump (14:05)

Do not escalate. Do not escalate.

Seth Gruber (14:07)

And President Trump has a strategy Here, hear him out and then everything will be fine.

Ben Shapiro (14:16)

Okay, so he seems to be saying kind of the reverse of Howard Lodnick, meaning we are not starting trade wars just for the hell of it. The goal presumably is some broader end. At the same time, Scott Besson is also putting pressure on the Europeans not to buy Russian oil. He's saying they're financing war against themselves. So there are some ideological differences in the administration as to what exactly the Trump administration means here.

Seth Gruber (14:38)

And just, just to be clear that we have Europe buying Russian oil still, still for four years later, they are financing the war against themselves. India started buying Russian oil after the conflict began, but President Trump put a 25% tariff on them and India has geared down and has stopped buying Russian oil. And then three, China is a very large buyer of Russian oil as they are of Iranian oil, as they were of Venezuelan oil.

Ben Shapiro (15:12)

Okay, so again, he is right about all of this. But it's sort of fascinating to hear the difference in approach between Bessens, who seems to be encouraging the Europeans to take an anti Russian, anti Chinese stand, and Lutnick, who seems to be encouraging everybody to quote, unquote, look out for themselves because the United States also wants to look out for itself. Now, an enormous amount of what is happening right now is really just blowback, not to free trade per se, but to a particular vision of the world that was first expressed by George H.W. bush back in 1990 in the aftermath of the Cold War, in the aftermath of the Soviet Union falling. So George H.W. bush did a number of appearances ranging from session of Congress to national TV to international summits where he talked about what was called the New World Order. And this became a term utilized in sort of the American body politic to mean, I think what Lutnick is talking about and some of what Besants is talking about and some of what Trump is, is talking about. This sort of New World Order was this utopian vision in which America would outsource her key interests to a globally interested group of, of like minded people, all of whom, and he really meant this, all of whom would center in on freedom and liberty as the load bearing foundations of the new civilization. Okay, in just a moment I want to go back in time and talk about what set off this entire firestorm over American foreign policy. And that is the sort of New World Order constructed in the aftermath of the death of the USSR first, the American dream has always been about building something of your own, taking an idea, some hard work, turning it into a thriving business. You can call your own. For generations, entrepreneurship has been the cornerstone of that dream. But getting started used to mean huge upfront costs, technical headaches and a mountain of obstacles before you could even open your doors. That's where our sponsor Shopify comes in. It's the tool that puts the American dream within reach for anyone ready to chase it. Shopify is the commerce platform powering millions of businesses worldwide, including 10% of all U.S. e commerce and even our own daily wire shop. The best part? You don't need to be a web designer to get started. They've got beautiful ready to go templates that match your brand right out of the box. Or if you need some extra help along the way, their AI tools can handle everyday tasks like enhancing product images, writing product descriptions, and generating discount codes. If you're worried about getting your brand out there, Shopify makes it simple to run email and social media campaigns that actually reach customers. Plus, if you ever get stuck, their award winning 24. 7 customer support is always there to help you figure things out. This year, turn those dreams into and give them the best shot at success with Shopify. Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.comshapir go to shopify.comshapiro that's shopify.comshapiro here's what it sounded like when George H. W. Bush talked about what he called the New World Order in 1990 A New.

Donald Trump (17:55)

World Order can emerge. A new era freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of.

Ben Shapiro (18:05)

Justice, and more secure in the quest for peace.

Donald Trump (18:10)

An era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and.

Ben Shapiro (18:16)

South, can prosper and live in harmony.

Donald Trump (18:19)

A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor. And today, that new world is struggling to be born.

Ben Shapiro (18:32)

A world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law.

Donald Trump (18:38)

Supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. We have a real chance at this New World Order, an order in which a credible United nations can use its.

Ben Shapiro (18:55)

Peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and.

Donald Trump (18:57)

Vision of the UN's founders. What is at stake is more than one small country. It is a big idea.

Ben Shapiro (19:10)

A New World Order where diverse nations.

Donald Trump (19:14)

Are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of peace and security, freedom and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our.

Ben Shapiro (19:30)

Struggle and worthy of our children's future. Okay, so let's talk about that for a second, because it is that thing that has been rejected, not by President Trump, but by reality, this idea that we were going to live in a world in which east and west, north and south all coordinated to pursue justice, rather than the law of the jungle, in which the rule of law, the international rule of law, would supplant that rule of the jungle, in which nations would all recognize their shared responsibility for freedom. That never materialized because it was never true. It was never true. It turns out that nations do have their own interests. Now, that raises the question as to what should the geopolitics of the world look like? What exactly should the world look like? Now, we've seen a bunch of different visions here, because the truth is that the George H.W. bush of Wilsonian vision of world order was then followed by Bill Clinton's Wilsonian vision of world order and George W. Bush's Wilsonian vision of world order. And here I'm referencing Woodrow Wilson, who believed in this sort of gigantic global agreement about what was right and what was wrong in international law, and no longer would power politics be at the center of international conflict. Barack Obama, for his part, led from behind because he believed this in part two. Now, there were obviously variations in foreign policy Here. George W. Bush's foreign policy was significantly more muscular than, for example, Barack Obama's. Barack Obama's foreign policy was a foreign policy that suggested that America was inherently bad and therefore should not take a leading role in this new world order, whereas George W. Bush thought the United States should take a leading role in this new world order. But again, the idea was that there would be international rule by international standards, which is why, presumably, the United States, for example, in the run up to both the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq, sought U.N. approval and U.N. intervention. Now, the reality that President Trump has recognized that this never was going to work, that this was always going to be false, that actually the law of the jungle does apply on the world stage. But that doesn't answer the question as to what the United States should pursue. Should the United States pursue a more Balkanized vision of the world in which a huge number of countries are in conflict with one another and the United States does not take a leading role? Or should the United States take a more hawkishly realistic view of the world in which the United States pursues its interests, but recognizes that it's going to need allies in pursuit of that interest, in which the United States recognizes key opponents, like, say, Russia and China and Iran, and recognizes key areas of interest, like, for example, Freedom of the seas, ensuring the non nuclearization of Iran, preventing the intervention of Russia in Eastern Europe? Or is the United States going to withdraw from the world and basically say, everybody have at it, it's every man for himself. The United States ought not take a leading role because it weakens us to be involved in the world. That is the question that still needs answering. And this is a question that, bizarrely enough, seems to be taking the fore, thanks to President Trump's focus on Greenland. Why Greenland? Well, because Greenland, again, was not really on the bingo card. The reality is that you could make a case that the United States should support Ukraine more strongly. You could make, I think, a significantly weaker case, the United States should not support Ukraine as strongly, or that the United States should shift pretty much all of the onus for defending Ukraine onto Europe without any sort of real transitional plan. You make all of those cases. But when you're talking about going after Greenland as a sort of pure imperialist measure, because let's be real about this, the President of the United States is not trying to grab Greenland because it is necessary for us to up our military presence. We can do that under current treaty obligations, under current defense treaties. We have the ability to build new military bases on Greenland pretty much anytime we want. What the President is talking about is grabbing control of Greenland so as to presumably enlarge the territory of the United States. Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with that as sort of a general rule. But the idea that this is a main priority of the United States and that it has to do with deterring the Russians, that is definitely a strange proposition coming from an administration that has been at best, somewhat lackluster in its support of Ukraine, which is currently still fighting an existential war against Russia. Well, the President of the United States continues to go after Greenland. He, at this White House press conference yesterday, suggested that a deal will be made with NATO over Greenland.

Donald Trump (23:57)

I think something's going to happen that's going to be very good for everybody. Nobody's done more for NATO than I have. As I said before in every way. Getting them to go up to 5% of GDP was something that nobody thought was possible. And pay at 2%. They weren't paying at 5%. They are paying and they're buying a lot of things from us and they're giving them, I guess, to Ukraine. That's up to them, but they're giving them to whoever they're giving them to, but they're buying a lot. I think that we will work something out when NATO is going to be very happy and where we're going to be very happy, but we need it for security purposes.

Ben Shapiro (24:39)

Okay. Now, again, it has not been fully explained why the United States requires full sovereignty over Greenland in order to achieve those security purposes, especially again, in a vacuum. I'm not against it, but the cost being a pretty open break with NATO, a pretty open break with the Europeans, while the Russians are getting a lot more feisty on the global stage while the Chinese are trying to fight their way out of a demographic box. Well, according to our sponsors over at Cali, the Kalsi markets suggest a 43% shot that Trump will buy at least part of Greenland before January 20, 2029. Is and 29% of people believe that he will buy at least part of Greenland before 2027. Right. Meaning sometime this year. So, you know, it'll be interesting to see whether that materializes. But the question is how much are we willing to alienate erstwhile allies in order to make an aggressive move with regard to Greenland? Because it turns out, for example, that right now there's an election in Denmark. That election in Denmark was actually trending toward the right wing parties in Denmark until the President started messing around with all of this talk about Greenland. Now the Social Democrats, the left seems to be gaining some pretty significant ground in the opinion polling thanks to the President getting involved. The same thing of course happened in Canada when the President decided that he was going to launch an unsolicited trade war against the Canadians. Is this useful? Is this good? Well, I can say this. The movement of Canada away from Pierre Poliev and toward Mark Carney has not been a boon to the United States. It's been a boon to China. But what's fascinating is listen to the language that Mark Carney, who is speaking at Davos used with regard to the rules based international order. He says that didn't exist, therefore I should go make a deal with China. So he is taking the post Wilsonian American view of the world and he is twisting it toward an isolationist view of the United States that gives him the moral wherewithal to go cut deals with with some of the worst people on earth. Here is Mark Carney.

Seth Gruber (26:40)

1978 the Czech dissident Vaclav Havel later president wrote an essay called the Power of the Powerless. And in it he asked a simple question, how did the communist system sustain itself? And his answer began with a greengrocer. Every morning the shopkeeper places a sign in his window. Workers of the world Unite. He doesn't believe it, no one does. But he places a sign anyway, to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false. Havel called this living within a lie. The system's power comes not from its truth, but from everyone's willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack. Friends. It is time for companies and countries to take their signs down four decades.

Ben Shapiro (28:05)

And what does he do? He then called for again a movement away from the United States. He suggests the middle powers needed to come together to, quote, build something bigger, better, stronger and more just. Quote this is the task of the middle powers, the countries that have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and the most to gain from genuine cooperation. So he's talking there, it's amazing. Vaclav Havela was talking about the green grocer issue with communism, right? Putting up the workers of the world unite sign was the building block of communist tyranny. He's talking about taking down the pro America sign and putting up the we're open for business with China sign. That's really what he's talking about. Quote. Canada was amongst the first to hear the wakeup call leading us to fundamentally shift our strategic posture, saying openly that he's attempting to break with the United States. Is that good for the United States? I'm not sure that it is. And then you have of course internationalists like Emmanuel Macron over in France. He also spoke over at Davos where he suggested that he is going to stand up for rule of law, which of course is a joke. The French, of course, have a long history of siding with some of the worst regimes on planet Earth. But the goal is a reorientation away from an American led world.

Donald Trump (29:14)

We have a place where rule of law and predictability is still the rule of the game. And my guess is that it is largely underpriced by the market. Having a place like Europe, which sometimes is too slow for sure and needs to be reformed for sure, but which is predictable, loyal and where you know that the rule of the game is just the rule of law. It's a good place. And here in the epicenter of this continent, we do believe that we need more growth, we need more stability in this world, but we do prefer respect to bullies. We do prefer science to plotism, and we do prefer rule of law to brutality.

Ben Shapiro (30:06)

Okay, that is absolute nonsense. I'm sorry. The Europeans prefer rule of law to brutality. I present to you large swaths of the history of the European continent, including most of the 20th century. As a bit of a counter argument to that, as far as France prefers respect to bullies, again, France has been one of the more bullying powers over the course of the last several centuries, so that is a new one. But again, the goal here is to reorient away from America as the leader of the global movement and toward a sort of multipolar world in which the French are now going to pick up the baton. And so the President of the United States is trying to pull away from a new World order vision of George H.W. bush and his heirs that suggested that the US should give us up its autonomy to international institutions, which, of course, is right. The question is, what's going to supplant that is an America that is last in the world or an America that is hemispherically restricted? Is it in America that is willing to allow Russia to do what it wants in Eastern Europe or China to do what it wants in Taiwan, or allows Iran to do what it wants in the Middle east with the help of China and Russia? Or is it an America that continues to take its own policies seriously, continues to take its own citizens interest seriously, which means being muscular in the world and pretending away, you know, sort of the moment that we're in, the inflection point that we're in historically, I think, would be a mistake. The President of the United States wants to initiate another trade war, again, this time over Greenland. But as the Wall Street Journal points out, this tariff threat is not like the others. In the past year, President Trump has used tariffs extensively to pursue trade and investment deals or address domestic complaints like illegal immigration and drugs. His threat to hit several European countries with tariffs of 10% rising to 25% if they oppose the US annexation of Greenland is entirely different. It would be an unprecedented use of tariffs against an ally for. For a strategic as opposed to a domestic goal. This is the logical endpoint of Trump's core doctrine, that the US's economic size and influence give it leverage to achieve a variety of goals through tariffs, including some that previously required military force. President Trump using asymmetry and economic power in order to go after allies is sort of a shocking thing. And again, one of the fears that the Europeans have is that if Trump doesn't get Greenland he could abandon Ukraine or NATO entirely, leaving Europe vulnerable to Russian aggression, which, of course, would make Russia exponentially stronger. I mean, if the idea is you got to get Greenland to prevent Russia from taking parts of the Arctic, then handing over Ukraine to the Russians, seems like a strange sort of trade. And Greg ip, writing for the Wall Street Journal, said Europe might be reluctant to give up Greenland and risk a repeat of this trade war. For a while, Trump talked of making Canada the 51st state. That talk has ceased. But a successful acquisition of Greenland could wet his appetite anew. So it'll be really fascinating again to see where this goes. One place that it is going is the reorientation of a lot of countries away from the United States. And again, the stock market sank nearly 900 points on President Trump's newly declared wars with regard to tariffs on the European continent. The Dow Industrials lost 871 points. The dollar weakened. Treasury yields rose. And again, those stock declines gained momentum after President Trump doubled down on his desire to take over Greenland, according to the Wall Street Journal, firing off social media posts on his way to the World Economic Forum in Switzerland. Asked how far he was willing to go to acquire Greenland, Trump told reporters at the White House, quote, you'll find out. Well, the EU isn't waiting around to find out. EU President Ursula von der Leyen is teasing a big economic deal between India and the eu. These are multipolar reorientation is beginning.

Donald Trump (33:53)

And right after Davos the next weekend, I will travel to India. There's still work to do, but we are on the cusp of a historic trade agreement. Indeed, some call it the mother of all deals. One that would create a market of 2 billion people, accounting for almost a quarter of global GDP. And crucially, that would provide a first mover advantage for Europe with one of the world's fastest growing and most dynamic continents.

Ben Shapiro (34:34)

And again, the United States is right now in a trade war with India. So again, when you alienate a bunch of erstwhile allies, you do create the possibility of a vacuum. And chaos tends to fill that vacuum. Now, one of the people who's trying to take advantage of President Trump's heterodox views on foreign policy. Again, we don't have a full picture. It'll be fascinating to see what the President has to say at Davos is Gavin Newsom, who I sat down with last week. Gavin Newsom showed up at Davos because obviously he is running for president in 2028. And here he was ripping into the president, but more ripping into world leaders for the possibility of conceding to President Trump, which, again, is. Is a slightly strange proposition. I mean, I think that it would probably be in the interests of not only the United States, but the globe for there to be more concessions from the Europeans to Trump. Even if I largely disagree with Trump on things like what he's doing in Ukraine or, or with regard to Greenland, for that matter.

Donald Trump (35:26)

It's time to stand tall. Tall, strong. Does that mean to stand united? You make that determination. I don't make that determination. But when you say standing, what do you mean? Just. I can't take this complicity. People rolling over. I should have brought a bunch of knee pads for all the world leaders. I mean, handing out crowns and handing. I mean, this is pathetic. Nobel prizes that are being given away. I mean, it's just pathetic. And I hope people understand how pathetic they look on the world stage. I mean, at least from an American perspective, it's embarrassing. So what should European doing? The Europeans should decide for themselves what to do. But one thing they can't do is what they've been doing and they've been playing. This guy's playing folks for fools, and it's embarrassing. Europeans think this is diplomacy and this will alter diplomacy with Donald Trump. He's a T. Rex. You mate with him or he devours you.

Ben Shapiro (36:26)

Okay. I'm not even sure exactly what Gavin Newsom is arguing for the Europeans to do at this point, presumably to up their trade war with the United States, which would hurt American consumers and producers pretty dramatically. Newsom said in a statement. Trump's economic agenda betrays our nation. It is not America first, but Trump first rewardingly favored, punishing the dissenters and burdening the rest. At the World Economic Forum, I will forcefully confront these abuses and resolutely defend the principles to which California owes its economic strength, disciplined governance, world leading universities, boundless innovation, and an open embrace of global cultures. I mean, he sounds like a libertarian, which is kind of astonishing considering his economic record in the state of California. He plans to blast the president's economic stewardship at Davos as, quote, an assault on the free market and call Trump a crony capitalist pursuing personal enrichment. So he's going to attack Trump actually from the right on economics. Sort of a fascinating proposition. Meanwhile, on the immigration issue, President Trump continues to crack down. Federal prosecutors, according to the Associated Press, have now served grand jury subpoenas to Minnesota officials as part of an investigation into whether they obstructed or impeded law enforcement during a sweeping immigration operation in the Minneapolis St. Paul area. A person familiar with the matter said the subpoenas are going to seek records and resent to the offices of Governor Tim Walls, Attorney General Keith Ellison, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, St. Paul Mayor Kohi her and officials in Ramsey and Hennepin counties. According to this person, the subpoenas are related to an investigation into whether Minnesota officials obstructed federal immigration enforcement through public statements they made. Tim Walls put out a statement responding to the subpoena. This, of course, is after he suggested that people get in the way, although he suggested peacefully, as though the Lord peacefully sort of obscured everything else that he was saying. Quote, Mr. President, Minnesota invites you to see our values in action. Come see how communities from all walks of life are together and how the spirit of this state refuses to be defined by division or fear. I invite you to join me and others in our community to help restore calm and order and reaffirm that true public safety comes from shared purpose, trust and respect. But let me be absolutely clear. The state of Minnesota will not be drawn into political theater. Okay, my dude, you are the director of this political theater. You're the producer, director and writer of this political theater. They won't be drawn into political theater. Who started the political theater? Tim Walls was part and parcel of this thing. He was involved in every aspect of this political theater. He basically did the stage lights. This is ridiculous. He continued, my focus has always been protecting the rights of the people of the state, not protecting myself. Families are scared. Kids are afraid to go to school, small businesses are hurting, A mother is dead, and people responsible have yet to be held accountable. That's where the energy of the federal government should be directed toward restoring trust, accountability, and real law and order, not political retaliation. And then he says, I will not be intimidated into silence. Well, I mean, it's not about being intimidated into silence. It is about whether you are going to actually facilitate the obstruction of federal law. Now, President Trump, in the middle of this White House press conference, did something that I think was absolutely worthwhile. He held up the mug shots of some of the people who'd been arrested in Minnesota. It turns out that these are the kinds of people you would like for ICE to arrest and deport.

Donald Trump (39:37)

This is one state out of many. And these people are, let's see. Yeah, these are all, so far, people that came from outside of the country. They were allowed in by Sleepy Joe Biden, crooked Joe Biden, whichever you like. You can call him whatever you like. They're both right. He's sleepy and he's crooked. He was the worst president we've ever had. And we've had some bad ones too, I can tell you. All you have to do is look at trade. You're not getting bored with this, right? I hope you don't. But these are people that you have to see. Strong arm rape, aggravated assault with a weapon, and many other crimes.

Ben Shapiro (40:29)

Again, he's not wrong about this. And more of this would be good from just a PR level. One of the things I talked about earlier this week is you want the optics with regard to illegal immigration to be focused on the thing that policing illegal immigration is really about, going after criminal illegal immigrants. Well, the President also had some comments about Somali Americans and the vast swath of Somalis who've been allowed into Minnesota. Some, some rather, shall we say, colorful remarks from the President here halted all.

Donald Trump (40:59)

Refugee admissions to the United States, including from Somalia, which is a terrible, terrible place and other dangerous places. And we also stopped the pirates because they get the same treatment as the drug boats. So when Somalia, the Somalians, you know what they're good at? That's about the only thing they're good at is because they're good at pirating ships at sea. Big ships.

Ben Shapiro (41:25)

Well, somebody saw Captain Phillips. So there we are. The president at the same time suggested Hispanics are some of the best people we have. So he's apparently trying, I think probably to buy back some of the low numbers he has with Hispanic Americans, possibly based on the ICE raids.

Donald Trump (41:43)

Then they say, oh, we discriminate against. I love Hispanic. They are unbelievable entrepreneurial. They have everything. I did great. I did the highest. Nobody ever got numbers like I got from the standpoint of being a Republican. But even the, if you look at Texas, I won the entire border along Texas between Texas and Mexico. Never happened before. Nobody has ever done that before. I did it as a Republican. I did it. I love the Hispanic. And they accuse us of all sorts of things. Six, 60% of the people we're talking about, they're the best people we have. And they're Hispanic. The Border patrol ISIS largely Hispanic. ISIS largely Hispanic. They're unbelievable people.

Ben Shapiro (42:26)

So again, the president, you know, when it comes to illegal immigration, he is counting on the left to make a large scale mistake. And he is right about this because again, the more he focuses in on going after criminally legal immigrants or fraud, the better he will be doing. Greg Bovino is the CBP commander at large touting Minnesota's arrest record.

Donald Trump (42:47)

Let's don't quit there.

Ben Shapiro (42:48)

Let's, let's keep on that. We've got Annabelle Gomez, a criminal illegal alien from Honduras, previously arrested for criminal sexual conduct and domestic assault. Other convictions include disorderly conduct and driving under the influence of liquor, walking the streets. As of yesterday, these are just three, three that I decided to print out. There's a whole stack of them. These are the kinds of individuals this operation focuses on. Individuals who escalate situations and endanger others. Again, our neighbors, our friends, our colleagues and Ma and PA America. This is exactly, exactly why Interior Enforcement exists. To remove dangerous criminals from, from our communities. Well, the left, for its part, is going too far. So again, I warned about this on Monday. I suggested that ugly images of ICE in the middle of raids would not be great for the administration, but that the left could go too far. And they waited precisely zero seconds before going too far. Obviously we've been talking over the course of the past several days about this church invasion in Minneapolis, this takeover of a church by people protesting ice. Well, one of those protesters is a person named William Kelly, who apparently is basically a professional protester. He just shows up at these things for fun and, and here he was talking about his supposed heroism for invading a church. So, you know, Pam Bondi, you want to come and arrest me? You want to come and give me charges?

Donald Trump (44:17)

So be it.

Seth Gruber (44:18)

And for all the people getting, you.

Ben Shapiro (44:19)

Know, giving me death threats, threatening my life, kill me. Go ahead, kill me. Because you know what, as Fred Hampton.

Seth Gruber (44:25)

Said, said, you can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution.

Ben Shapiro (44:32)

Okay, well, I'm sure that Americans are going to love that. In other news, we now find that many of the protests across the country, ranging from the Free Palestine protest to the ICE protests, have been organized by a group called the People's Forum, a Chinese Communist Party funded organization behind an enormous amount of protest activity in New York City. According to Jason Smith, who's the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, he's now demanding records from that group, the People's Forum, a New York based 501c3 organization, following mounting evidence that shows the organization has acted as a foreign agent for the CCP and has received millions of dollars in funding from known CCP ally named Neville Roy Singham while enjoying the benefits of US tax exempt status. So you have foreign, allegedly foreign funded protesting, you have takeovers of churches and of course you have politicians who are making the dumbest argument possible, which is that law enforcement should apparently unilaterally disband Zoran Mamdani, who remember, is now the new face of the Democratic Party. This is according to Democrats, because he said the word affordability over and over and over and really doesn't like Jews very much. Here is Zoram Mandani on the View, making the argument that ICE should be full scale abolished.

Donald Trump (45:48)

You know, I am in support of.

Seth Gruber (45:49)

Abolishing ice, and I'll tell you why. Because what we.

Donald Trump (45:57)

What we see is an entity that has no interest in.

Ben Shapiro (46:01)

Fulfilling its stated reason to exist.

Donald Trump (46:03)

We're seeing a government agency that is supposed to be enforcing some kind of.

Seth Gruber (46:08)

Immigration law, but instead what it's doing is terrorizing people, no matter their immigration.

Donald Trump (46:12)

System, no matter the facts of the.

Ben Shapiro (46:14)

Law, no matter the facts of the case.

Seth Gruber (46:15)

And I'm tired of waking up every.

Donald Trump (46:17)

Day and seeing a new image of someone being dragged out of a car.

Seth Gruber (46:21)

Dragged out of their home, dragged out of their life.

Donald Trump (46:24)

What we need to see is humanity. And there is a way to care.

Seth Gruber (46:28)

About immigration in this city and in this country with a sense of humanity.

Donald Trump (46:32)

What we're seeing from ICE is not it. And we have not seen that from them in a long, long time.

Ben Shapiro (46:36)

In a long time. Okay, fine. So we want to abolish ice. This is going to go about as well as abolish the police went. There's a reason again, that Governor Newsom in Californ was telling me that he opposes Zoramdani and other Democrats claiming that ICE should be abolished. But apparently this is going to be another one of these nostrums that idiot Democrats are going to have to repeat over and over. Newly elected New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill made a similar argument yesterday. She suggested that President Trump is keeping standing armies among us in times of peace. No, he's not. They're. They're a domestic law enforcement agency. They are doing law enforcement that's literally in their mandate is what they are designed to do.

Donald Trump (47:14)

He has kept among us in times.

Ben Shapiro (47:16)

Of peace standing armies without the consent of our legislatures.

Donald Trump (47:26)

And this election proved that. The people of New Jersey recognize the.

Ben Shapiro (47:30)

Parallels that we see a president illegally.

Donald Trump (47:33)

Usurping power, unconstitutionally enacting a tariff regime to make billions aliens for himself and his family.

Ben Shapiro (47:41)

Again, if this is the direction Democrats want to go, good luck to them and ask for prosecution of Minnesota officials. Honestly, we'll see where the investigation goes. I mean, you have the Minnesota police chief, a man named Mark Brulee, now claiming that officers who are people of color in the force feel victimized by ice. Like officers in the police are afraid of ice. If they're people of color, man, good luck with this. I can't believe Democrats are going to get on this train again. It's pretty astonishing.

Seth Gruber (48:08)

Recently as the last two weeks, we as law enforcement community have been receiving endless complaints about civil rights violations in our streets from US Citizens. What we're hearing is they're being stopped in traffic stops or on the street with no cause and being forced to demand paperwork to determine if they are here legally. Every one of these individuals is a.

Donald Trump (48:36)

Person of color who has had this happen to them.

Ben Shapiro (48:41)

So, yeah, again, will be, will be fascinating to see how this works out for Democrats if they are activating local law enforcement now to oppose the agenda of ice. Truly, man, Democrats seem capable of pulling pretty much any defeat from the jaws of what could be an electoral victory. And in 2026. Well, here at the Daily Wire, we are hosting a documentary. It premiered back in October. It's really, really important. It's called the 1916 Project, all about the origins of Planned Parenthood, which of course, was born in 1916. The host of the 1916 project is Seth Gruber, a leading voice in the pro life movement who's spoken more than 300 times to over half a million people. He's also the host of the Seth Gruber Show. Seth, thanks so much for taking the time. Really appreciate it.

Seth Gruber (49:26)

Thank you, Ben.

Ben Shapiro (49:27)

So for folks who are unaware of the 1916 project, what is it? Why is it important for people to take a look at it?

Seth Gruber (49:33)

Yeah. Thank you, brother. I think one of my favorite lines about history, which is one of the reasons I've enjoyed your show, is just the what you learn when you actually study your history is from Iler Belloc. He was Chesterton's best friend and he said, to comprehend the history of a thing is to unlock the mysteries of its present and more to discover the profundities of its future. So a fancy language for we actually don't study history to, like, nitpick over what happened then. We study to understand what's happening now and kind of be able to predict and prophesy where these ideas go if they're not stopped. And so having spoken to conferences, churches all around the country, I found that even, like rock ribbed warrior culture warriors Christians had no idea about the sordid history of Planned Parenthood beyond, like, oh, what, it was like eugenics, right? Or didn't she do the Negro Project? And that's about it. And the history of it is so disturbing. It's like, it's hard to. It was hard for me to finish writing the book and making the movie, which is, it's a book as well, which people can get anywhere. And so we kind of played on the 1619 project as well, Ben, which was just kind of a God thing that the numbers switched. And that was the first Planned Parenthood clinic because it was actually the 1619 Project Revolutionaries. What was that like, end of 2019, fall of 2019, a few months before George Floyd. And then everything's racist. Any corporation that's based on or had a relationship with racism 100 years ago is racist and has to be burnt down. And it's stranger than fiction, Ben. The 1619 Project Revolutionaries and BLM, they all went after Planned Parenthood in the summer of 2020, and they said, hey, your founders are racist. And then the director of Planned Parenthood at Greater New York, Karen Seltzer, the most hilarious liberal white woman name that you could possibly come up with, comes out and says, we're done making excuses for our founder and the damage she did to communities of color. They stopped giving out the Margaret Sanger Award. They took her name off the Sanger Mega Planned Parenthood Manhattan Health Clinic, which just shut down, by the way. And then New York City took off the sign called the Margaret Sanger Square. So, in other words, yeah, she was super racist and really bad. Now, nothing to see here. Move along. And so it was actually 1619 Project Academics and revolutionaries that kind of helped expose Planned Parenthood, finally dissing themselves from their founder. So we opened up the book in the film, Ben, by saying, so what?

Ben Shapiro (51:52)

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Seth Gruber (51:53)

You defended her for 100 years, and now out of nowhere, you canceled her? Because the revolution always eats its own. Who was she really? And what's the seed that has yielded this bitter harvest? And we started with her first clinic in 1916. So that's why we made it. And we found that that's been the most powerful way to mobilize people who are like, oh, yeah, abortion's bad. To go do something about it is when they see all the connections with the pedophilia movement, the eugenics movement, even the KKK and the Nazis, that's not hyperbole. That's not a Republican talking point that you and I say, Ben, you know, the history, the connections will blow your mind.

Ben Shapiro (52:27)

So, you know, for folks who are unfamiliar with any of it, and I don't want to give away what's in the documentary, because everybody should go to Daily Wire plus and take a look at it. But what is one of the most shocking things that people are going to find out about in the 1916 project?

Seth Gruber (52:40)

Yeah, there's a Lot of like jaw dropping. Like you need to like pause, pause, pause the film because you want to throw things at your tv. So because there's so many, we'll give you maybe one of the most shocking ones that I found in my research. And this was difficult to even find. The book's actually behind me here that has that bombshell. It was very difficult to find. You can't really find it anywhere else. But it's all footnoted. The founding board member of Planned Parenthood, which actually, for people, if you want to know it, was actually established in 1921 as an organization called the American Birth Control League. But her first Clinic was in 1916 under Sanger. And so his name's Lothrop Stoddard. And we actually have the screenshots and the scans of original documents showing the first board of directors when the American Birth Control League was founded. Lothrop Stoddard, who sat on the board, Ben, for years, was none other than the, quote, exalted cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK chapter. And he wrote a couple books. One called the Revolt against Civilization, the Menace of the Underman, another one called the Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy. But his Menace of the Underman. And I have the German translation back here. I bought it from Germany. Only one I could find for sale online. I'm kind of a nerd with old books and the German party, the Nazi party paid for the German translation of Lothrop's daughter's book into German. And when they translated Menace of the Underman, they translated it Untermensch, which. So some of my research is either the first time or one of the first times the Nazis begin to use that phrase, Untermenschen. Lothrop's daughter's books were assigned in German classrooms and reading schools during Hitler's reign. They loved him so much, Ben, they invited him to the Third Reich in 1939. He wrote a book about it called into the Darkness, Nazi Germany today, published in 1940, right when he came back. And he describes meeting with Himmler, Fritz Sauckel, Robert Ley, in a brief meeting with Hitler himself. To my knowledge, you might be the one to correct me on this. To my knowledge, I think Lothrop Stoddard's Margaret Sanger's founding Planned Parenthood born member is the only American to have had a face to face private room, one on one meeting with Hitler after he rose to power. The founding board member of Planned Parenthood. So that's one of the most shocking ones. And you Can't. It's historically verifiable.

Ben Shapiro (55:01)

I'm pretty shocking stuff, obviously. Well, I also wanted to point out, Seth, that obviously it's a. It's a big week for the pro life movement. The Life or Death conference is being hosted by you this Thursday. You can go check it out@lifeordeathcon.com it features our own Megan Basham. What can people expect there?

Seth Gruber (55:17)

Yeah. Thank you. We're really trying to step up in a big way with the overturning of Roe, which is right when I launched the White Rose Resistance, the ministry that made this film, because, you know, it goes back to the States. And now there's this whole conversation about, like, you know, how do we end abortion? And we believe that this shocking, crazy thing that the same laws that apply to infants, that protect them from being murdered should be applied to unborn babies. No one's out for mothers. No one's criminalizing women. We want to criminalize abortion because that's what good laws do. They actually protect the innocent. And unfortunately, there's a lot of pro life groups, we won't get into all that, who disagree with that. So we're really trying to mobilize people to see the battle lines and to contend for life in their state. And so we've got incredible speakers, including, like you said, Megan Basham and others. So that'll be the day before the March for Life in Washington, D.C. at Union Station in the nation's capital.

Ben Shapiro (56:08)

And of course, the March for life is always one of the biggest things happening in Washington, D.C. and it's always the thing the media love to ignore every single year. So make sure you check that out as well. Seth, thanks so much for the time. Everybody should go check out your documentary, the 1916 Project over at Daily Wire Plus.

Seth Gruber (56:22)

Thank you, man.

Ben Shapiro (56:24)

Alrighty, folks. The show continues for our members right now. We'll get to the Supreme Court where apparently Katanji Brown Jackson is again, not doing a particularly good job. Remember, in order to watch, you have to be a member. If you are not a member, become a member. Use code Shapiro checkout for two months free on all annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us.

Donald Trump (56:44)

What was it like, Marin, to be alone with God? Is that who you think I was alone with?

Ben Shapiro (56:58)

Maradin? I knew your father.

Seth Gruber (57:01)

I am yet convinced that he was.

Ben Shapiro (57:02)

Not of this world.

Donald Trump (57:06)

All men know of the great Taliesin.

Ben Shapiro (57:09)

You are my father.

Donald Trump (57:10)

That the gods should war for my soul. Princess Garrus, savior of our people. I know what the bull God offered you. I was offered the same. And there is a new pirate work in the world. I've seen it.

Ben Shapiro (57:30)

A God who sacrifices what he loves for us.

Donald Trump (57:32)

We are each given only one life. Singer.

Ben Shapiro (57:35)

No. And we're given another.

Donald Trump (57:40)

I learned of Yazu the Christ. And I have become his follower. He's waiting on a miracle.

Seth Gruber (57:45)

And I think you can give him one.

Ben Shapiro (57:48)

Trust in Yael. He is the only hope for men like us.

Donald Trump (57:52)

Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the Great Light. Great light. Great darkness. Such things mattered to me then. What matters to you now, Mistress of lies? You, nephew. The sword of a high king. How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield? So clinging to the promises of a God who has abandoned you. I cannot take up that sword again. You know what you must do. Great Light, forgive. The time has come to be reborn.