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Ben Shapiro
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Plus some actual news from the Supreme Court and the Middle east in just one moment. Welcome back. This is the Ben Shapiro Show. Alrighty. So there's a Supreme Court ruling that came down yesterday called Chiles versus Salazar. And. And the basic concept of the Supreme Court ruling is that the state of Colorado had put forward a law that banned what they called conversion therapy. Now, when you think of conversion therapy, what you are thinking of is some psychologist in a room somewhere who is zapping a gay kid with electricity. Like hooking electrodes to him and then zapping him until he is no longer attracted to members of the same sex. That's what you're thinking of when you think of conversion therapy. That is not what the state of Colorado is thinking of. What they are thinking of when they describe conversion therapy is something different. According to the Colorado Law 2019, that law prohibited licensed counselors from engaging in conversion therapy with minors, defining the term to include, quote, any practice or treatment that attempts to change an individual's sexual orientation or gender identity, as well as any effort to change behaviors or gender expressions or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions toward individuals of the same sex. That same law allows counselors to provide, quote, acceptance, support and understanding for identity exploration and development and to assist persons, quote, undergoing gender transition. So in other words, the Colorado law said that if a kid comes to you with gender confusion, you are not allowed to say, boys are boys and girls are girls. Let's help you be more comfortable in your body body. If a kid comes a boy, and he says, I'm a girl, you have to affirm him. And if you don't affirm him, you're engaged in conversion therapy and you can be prosecuted under the law in the state of Colorado. If a kid comes to you and says, listen, I'm confused about my feelings of sexual attraction, you're not allowed to talk that through and say, well, you know what? You're 14 years old. A lot of people are confused about sexual attraction at 14 years old. You're being hit by hormones that you've never experienced before, and you really don't have any sort of clear line as to how to live your life. So let's talk this thing through. That might be conversion therapy, because that could be construed as an attempt to change behavior or eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attraction toward individuals of the same sex. Instead, you're supposed to just give that kid a pride flag and tell him to get out there in March. That is what the Colorado law essentially said. Well, the plaintiff in this case is a person named Kaylee Childs, who holds a master's degree in clinical mental health and a state counseling license in Colorado. And Childs doesn't start counseling with any predetermined goals, according to the Supreme Court. Instead, she sits down with clients, discusses their goals, and then formulates methods of counseling that will most benefit them. Seeking throughout to respect her client's fundamental right of self determination. On some matters of sexuality and gender, the clients sometimes have different agendas. According to the Supreme Court, some are perfectly happy being gay or lesbian or transgender identifying. And others want to reduce or eliminate unwanted sexual attractions or change sexual behaviors or grow in the experience of harmony with their bodies. And under Colorado law, those last people are just plumb out of luck. There is nothing they can do because if you, for example, are a person who has a fetish, presumably, and you don't want to have that fetish anymore, according to Colorado law, you are not allowed as a therapist, as a talk therapist, to try to change an individual's behaviors regarding sexual or romantic attractions. Well, Justice Gorsuch, who again, Justice Gorsuch is not a strict textualist when it comes to these matters, is a typical rule. His opinion in Bostock, which was a case surrounding transgenderism as a, as a facet of the Civil Rights Act. Now you'll remember this case was kind of crazy. That was a case in which Justice Gorsuch suggested that it was discrimination under the Civil Rights act to say that men are men and women are women in some circumstances. So he is not a wild conservative on these matters. He wrote the opinion and his basic opinion is pretty simple. The First Amendment allows therapists to say what they want to say during therapy. That is the basic opinion according to the supreme court. And there's an 8:1 ruling. The only person who voted in dissent is, of course, wait for it, Ketanji Brown Jackson, the dumbest person on the Supreme Court. That's saying a lot because Sonia Sotomayor and is also on the Supreme Court. But here's what Justice Gorsuch wrote, quote, consistent with the First Amendment's jealous protections for the individual's right to think and speak freely, this Court has long held that laws regulating speech based on subject matter or communicative content are presumptively unconstitutional. We have recognized, says the Supreme Court, the even greater dangers associated with regulations that discriminate based on the speaker's point of view. So in other words, the big problem here is that it's not just that they are putting regulations on speech. Those regulations on speech are content dependent. They're saying you can say these things that we agree with, but you cannot say these things with which we disagree. As a talk therapist, says the Supreme Court, all Ms. Childs does is speak with clients. She does not prescribe medication, use medical devices or employ any physical methods. And they point out, consider where the state and dissent logic leads. Not long ago, many medical experts and organizations, including the American Psychiatric association, considered homosexuality a mental disorder. On the view of Colorado and the Descent, a law adopted during that era, prohibiting counselors from engaging in the substandard care of affirming their clients homosexuality would have been subject to only rational basis or intermediate scrutiny review and likely upheld. So in other words, they're saying like if you are suggesting that a state can determine what is the best course of care with regard to opinions on open matters of gender and sexuality and then mandate that sort of stuff on subject matter basis, that is violation of free speech. And, and then the court goes out of its way to really slap Katanji Brown Jackson. They say today, tomorrow and forever, any professional speech that deviates from current beliefs about the safety and efficacy of various medical treatments could be silenced with relative ease. It is a consequence Colorado freely acknowledges and one that Ascent embraces. So what if that kind of reflexive deference to currently prevailing professional views may not always end well? And then they cite to Buck versus Bell. Okay, the reason that that is that that is a really scathing rebuttal to Jackson is because Buck versus Bell is the case that suggested that you actually had the ability under law to sexually sterilize inmates of institutions because that was the prevailing science of the time. Well, Ketanji Brown Jackson then responded and her basic opinion is I like this law. That is her opinion. Now again, she is in the minority 8 to 1. Even Kagan and Sotomayor ruled against her in this particular case. She says that Colorado was simply, quote, restricting a dangerous therapy modality. She says that the court's opinion is unprincipled and unworkable. And of course then she has a long statement about how wonderful gender orientation of left wing philosophy is. Quote, ultimately scientific evidence supports the conclusion that anticipated harms from conversion therapy are twofold. First, conversion therapy stigmatizes the patient, telling them that their gender identity or sexual orientation is something to be fixed rather than accepted. This rejection can lead to shame and guilt, which in turn can cause long term emotional distress. Why is this important? The reason that this is important is because, number one, it is the court's recognition that the science is open on this, which it clearly is, that is the most important thing here. But Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissent is a reminder that if the left had complete control over the mechanisms of government, they would simply regulate into law all of their most specious and idiotic views about science. Jackson's opinion is basically the science says I'm right. She's basically saying that Colorado has the right to regulate therapist treatment because midichlorians might make you trans or something. And that's the science. And If Ty says that, then we have to just go along with the science and the and the state is allowed to regulate you and prevent you from telling a kid who is experiencing gender confusion that there's a way through this that doesn't involve you taking on the aspects of the other sex physically and emotionally. And we are this close to that, that world, by the way, without President Trump as president. We were this close to that world. I really mean that because President Trump is responsible for several selections on the Supreme Court. And right now Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor are ruling with the majority. But if there were a bunch of Democrat appointees on the court, is that the way this would have gone? I am not so sure. Okay, in just a second we are going to get to more of these Supreme Court's news. But there is a big settlement, another judicial settlement that we need to talk about. And this one involves us here at the Daily Wire. So today, major announcement. The State Department actually settled a lawsuit that we brought as long as well as others did. In 2023. That lawsuit was basically over a State Department under Joe Biden methodology. They were using a federally funded thing called the Global Engagement center to fund and promote companies that worked to bankrupt conservative news companies like ours. So basically they would funnel money to the Global Engagement center which would then funnel money to organizations like News Guard. And those News Guard like companies would then essentially tell advertisers that they should never advertise with groups like the Daily Wire because we were somehow not compliant with their news standards. We were disinformation. So we sued them because the State Department should not have the ability to shut down speech it doesn't like simply by rooting money to outside outlets. And a judge agreed, say a federal judge today entered a consent decree that put the Daily Wire and the Federalist, one of our co plaintiffs, in charge of ensuring that future State departments do not fund efforts to deem news outlets disinformation. This is huge because again, in the absence of this, anytime a Democrat assumes office, that Democrat could simply take the money from the State Department and create outside groups. Outside pressure groups determined to treat conservative news as disinformation is a major free speech win for Americans. It's a major free speech win for the media because of the Daily Wires lawsuit. It is this simple. State departments cannot fund efforts to deem news outlets disinformation, which is huge because this is the thing we fight. We're a company that actually fights the crazy. This is what we do. Whether we are suing the Biden administration to stop the OSHA Vax mandate or whether we are suing the State Department to stop them from simply labeling all the outlets. They don't like disinformation. This is part of the fight. Again, this is one of the reasons you ought to subscribe and help us out. Head on over to DailyWire.com subscribe and become a member today. Also, let's be real. There's a lot in your life that you need to keep track of. You got dozens of passwords stored in different places. Your kids, school and sports schedules are a disaster zone. Your small business to do list is never ending. For all the stuff we do remember, we often forget about something much more important. What actually happens if your family financially goes down? Because something happens to you, right? If you die, it's not just they lose you, they also lose your income. And that's a huge problem for the family. 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And by openly and authentically, we mean can pretend to be members of the opposite sex.
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Gretchen Whitmer
Today is Transgender Day of Visibility, when we celebrate the strength, resilience, and contributions of our transgender family, friends, and neighbors in Michigan. Everyone deserves to be seen, respected and valued. But for too many trans people, we still see discrimination and policies that threaten their safety and dignity. You know, when I was elected in 2018, I made a promise to fight for all Michiganders, no matter who they are or who they love. And since then, we have put in the work to build a state where everyone can live openly and authentically. I'll keep fighting like hell to make sure every Michigander feels safe, secure, and supported. Today and every day, we stand with our trans neighbors because trans rights are human rights.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, actually, it is not a human right that everyone should treat you as a member of the opposite sex when you are not. That is not actually a right. That is not a right. It's a free country. You can dress how you want and basically do what you want, but you cannot demand that everybody act out of accordance with reality. Meanwhile, Mayor Zaran Mamdani, again, they're the very weird Red Green alliance, meaning the alliance between radical Islam and radical leftism. It's a very strange thing. It's a very strange thing. All the people who he was having dinner with at the at the mayoral mansion to close out Ramadan, I doubt many of them are in favor of trans day of visibility, except insofar as they are fans of. Of anything that sort of tears away at the stanchions of Western civilization. Mamdani put out a statement, quote, today is trans day of visibility. Trans, non binary and gender non conforming people have always been here, from the Hijra of India to the Dini Nadlihi to the leaders who built the modern lgbtqia. Plus minus divided by sign movement here in New York. Your existence is not up for debate. Your lives are not a political issue. We're fighting for a city where every trans New Yorker can live openly, safely, and with joy. I mean, I'm sorry, first of all, the entire lie that trans people in the United States are at danger of extermination, it is, in fact, a lie. City Journal has a great piece today going through the actual statistics with regard to an epidemic, a supposed epidemic of transgender murders. According to City Journal, a project of the excellent Manhattan Institute, for more than a decade, the human rights Campaign has pushed the narrative that trans people are facing an epidemic of deadly violence, publishing annual epidemic of violence reports documenting transgender homicide victims in the United States. Well, the reality is that trans people are less likely to be murdered than the rest of the population. Most transgender people are murdered by members of their own race and intimate partner Violence, not hate, is the leading identified motive for such murders. In fact, here are some facts. The general population murder rate is at 25.8 per 100,000, is between 2010 and 2014. The transgender rate, meaning the murder rate against transgender people, is 3.66 per 100,000. That is one seventh of the general population rate. According to Manhattan Institute. Homicide risk is concentrated in one group, one group only. Young black men who identify as women. These male victims are usually compared with black and non transgender women, females, which makes their homicide rate look unusually high for women. Well, yes, because they are in fact, men, and men tend to murder other men, and at rates that far exceed the murder by women. HRC's own data debunks the claim that white supremacy is the cause of any violence among identified suspects. Black Suspects account for 65.1% of perpetrators. White suspects account for 18%. So, again, don't buy into the propaganda. Okay, well, one more judicial decision, and then we'll get to the spiciest and most bizarre news of the day. The Supreme Court went Trump's direction on conversion therapy, or at least went the direction of conservatives. Another decision went the other way yesterday. There's a federal decision that temporarily halted the construction of President Trump's new East Wing ballroom. So the judge, a Judge Leon, who was appointed by George W. Bush. The court basically found that the President does not have the unilateral ability to simply build buildings at the White House, that he can make small changes, but he can't just tear things down and then rebuild them. The judge says the President of the United States is the steward of the White House for future generations of first families. He is not, however, the owner. His President Trump claims that Congress gave him the authority in existing statutes to construct his East Wing ballroom project and to do it with private funds. I have concluded the National Trust, which is the plaintiff against President Trump, is likely to succeed on the merits. And he says, listen, Congress can simply authorize the continued construction of the ballroom project. The President can go to Congress to obtain express authority to construct a ballroom. And actually, it's a little bit different than prior remits. Congress actually was involved in the funding of prior buildings on the White House grounds or in National Parks. President Trump is upset about all of this. So President Trump put out a statement on truth Social, quote, the National Trust for Historic Preservation sues me for a ballroom that is under budget, ahead of schedule, being built at no cost to the taxpayer, and will be the finest building of its kind anywhere in the world. I then get sued by them over the renovation of the dilapidated and structurally unsound former Kennedy center, now the Trump Kennedy center, where I'm. Where all I'm doing is fixing, cleaning, running and sprucing up a terribly maintained for many years building, but a building of potentially great importance. Yet the National Trust for Historic Preservation, a radical left group of lunatics whose funding was stopped by Congress in 2005, is not suing the Federal Reserve for a building which has been decimated and destroyed inside and out by an incompetent and possibly corrupt Fed chairman. That once magnificent building is billions over budget, may never be completed, and may never open. All of the beautiful walls inside have been ripped down, never to be built again. But the National Trust for Historic Preservation never did anything about it. And he basically says, you know, why is it that you're picking on me? Now, there are mockups of the new East Wing ballroom. It is very, very large. It is very large, obviously. And honestly, it looks great. I mean, I understand there are people who are upset with it. It just looks like an extension of the White House. I mean, it's in the same classical style. It's got the same porticos, it's got the same general outline. Now, some people are upset because they say it dwarfs the White House, because the White House is not very big. And I suppose that's true. But it is also true that the White House is pretty small. I mean, if you've ever been there, it's extremely small. Even in just this visitor, all the rooms are small. The West Wing, which is where most of the action happens, extremely small. And of course, you have the Executive Building, the Eisenhower Building, right outside, which is gigantic. So Congress should move to simply authorize it. That would solve the problem. That would solve the problem. Okay, quick correction, by the way, with regard to the News Guard story. So the fund that was created by the. By the State Department, they didn't directly fund News Guard. They contracted with News Guard, who worked with the. With the gec. Okay, now to the spicy story of the day. So, according to the New York Post, quoting a report from the UK Daily Mail, Christy Gnome's husband has some issues. Two really large inflated issues, to be precise. So according to the New York Post. Brian Gnome chatted up women from the so called bimbofication fetish scene in which adult performers augment their breasts with massive amounts of saline to achieve a Barbie doll like appearance. Citing hundreds of messages purportedly sent by three women from the scene, Gnome's husband enthusiastically praised their heavily augmented appearances and proclaims he coveted huge, huge, ridiculous boobs. According to the mail. One photo from the mail shows Brian Gnome. Apparently he shared it with these women and it featured him wearing pink hot pants and a flesh colored skin tight suit. And apparently he inflated some actual balloons and then stuffed them in his shirt and to mimic comically oversized lopsided breasts and directed the area of the balloon that you tie toward the front to kind of create fake misaligned nipples. Apparently he sent these women some $25,000 via Cash App and PayPal. And he traded selfies with one woman he pledged to worship like a goddess, telling her, you turn me into a girl before asking if he should put on leggings and. Yeah, not great, Bob. So there is Brian Gnome looking very seriously into the camera as though he is, you know, about to take an insurance exam, but also wearing a flesh colored shirt with gigantic balloons beneath it and also pink hot pants. Yeah, this is not, it's not great. It's, it's very, it's, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty. Not good. Just gonna, just gonna. Yeah. Well, obviously Kristi Noem is not super happy about this. According to the New York Post, Ms. Noem is devastated. The family was blindsided by this. They asked for privacy and prayers at this time. So let's talk for a second about, you know, what, what is actually happening here. So first of all, people have all sorts of strange kinks and fetishes. The weirdness of human life is that people are drawn toward the taboo, apparently even taboo as strange as, as all of this. Obviously there is some sort of strange l autogynephilia of being turned on by the idea that he was himself playing a girl and all that. I mean, basically we're now doing clips from White Lotus here. But with that said, I do have one question, and this is a question for members of the media who are on the left. If he just came out as trans or if he just said, this is my fetish. I love my fetish. My fetish is me. It is a core part of my identity. I am a person who, like, my identity is wrapped up in wearing giant balloons on my chest. Right. If in fact he had done that, wouldn't they make him the Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services. See, here's the thing. Now, first of all, honestly, the guy has some sort of pathology and you got to feel bad for him. And also, he has a screwed up personal life because Kristi Noem, it is widely known in Washington, D.C. has a thing going with Corey Lewandowski. And that's been going on for a long time. It is why there was a very awkward moment when Kristi Noem was called before Congress and Kristi Noem was literally questioned about all of this. Was literally questioned about all of this. Right. Kristi Noem was. Was asked about Corey Lewandowski and cheating with Corey Lewandowski and all this. And she acted with umbrage, but she didn't actually deny the charge. And her husband was sitting behind her during the same hearing. It was really, really awkward. So there's some strange stuff going on in their personal and family life. For sure. For sure. But here's my question again for. For people on the left who are very excited about this story, like bizarrely excited about the story, like excited in some of the same ways that Brian Noem appears to have been excited by fetish models about this story. If you're on the left, what language do you have to condemn all of this? I understand that you're claiming that he's a hypocrite and that right wingers are hypocrites. Well, I mean, I don't feel like conservatives are hypocrites since conservatives don't like this and they say that it is bad. And also, hypocrisy is, as my friend Andrew Clavin likes to say, the tribute that vice pays to virtue. Meaning that, yes, we all have moral standards and we don't always uphold all of those moral standards, but it doesn't mean the moral standard is wrong. Hypocrisy is generally a charge that is directed at the virtue itself, not at the person violating the virtue. In other words, the reason the left love stories like this is because they believe there actually is nothing wrong with what Brian Gnome did here. They believe there's nothing wrong with that. They're actually angry at the people who say there is something wrong. With what? With what Brian Gnome did here. That is the point that I'm making about Rachel Levine, the former Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services. If Brian Noem came out today and said, listen, this is my core identity is a man who loves gigantic boobs and wears fake balloons in my shirt, the left would be like, they would elevate him in American public life for violating the virtue, for violating the standard. It's that he has the gall, and members of his family have the gall to say that traditional virtue is good even if they violate it. That the left is really, really on top of this story. See, the right has language to condemn behavior like this. We do. Like, the left doesn't have any language to condemn behavior. Like just the social left. The social left believes that the core element when it comes to sexual behavior and fetishes and all the rest of it is just consent. That's the only thing that matters. As long as these are consensual adults, everything is fine. The right believes that lots of people consent to lots of things that are terrible for them and that actually you can do things that are sinful. Like the language of sin exists on the right. The language of taboo continues to exist on the right. The language of unnatural continues to exist on the right. And so we can all look at that and go, yeah, that's unnatural. And that's. That's sinful, what he's doing there. And it's bad and it's wrong and it's strange. We can use that language. If you're on the left, by what's. By what stretch of the imagination can you even condemn what he's doing? And the answer is, you can't condemn what he's doing. All you can do is condemn the people who condemn what he's doing. For real. Make no mistake, people on the left are not upset about Brian Gnome doing this. They're happy that Kristi Noem is humiliated by it. That is the real answer. Here they are. They are very happy that that bride Gnome is humiliated by this because he's a Republican. There's a good piece in the New York Times actually asking members of his local community about this. And honestly, I think that the members of the local community have it right. They basically said, it's sad. We feel bad for him. We feel like we hope that he gets past this sort of stuff. We feel bad for. For the family and for Kristi Noem. And honestly, I think that that is the proper approach to. To things like this. I think that sympathy for people who sin not in their sin, but as human beings. Cause everybody sins, is the proper response to all of this. And also recognizing that the standard of sin still ought to apply. That the standard of bad behavior still ought to apply. Now that is the proper response to all of this. And so, again, is it inherently, you know, kind of funny? It's inherently kind of funny. A little. Just because, you know, when people do weird things, it's funny in the same way that Bugs Bunny dressing up in a dress is funny. And there's no way to look at those pictures and not kind of laugh at it. But by the same token, comedy and tragedy are two sides of the same coin. Tragedy. In the criticism of Walter Kerr, who's a theater critic from the 1950s and 60s, he said that tragedy is the notion that human beings have aspirations to understand the cosmos and shoot toward the stars and then also we die. Right? That's tragedy. And comedy is the fact that we have aspirations to understand the cosmos and shoot for the stars, and also we fart. And so they're basically two sides of the same coin. And so you look at this and you say, yeah, it's. I mean, it's comic, obviously, but it's also kind of tragic because human nature is to violate, taboo, to sin. And again, my bigger call here would be for people not to. It doesn't matter to me very much about your personal feelings of sympathy for the person who engages in bad behavior. But don't fall for the trap of believing that virtue itself, that virtuous standards themselves are wrong. Because people are hypocritical. Yes, people are hypocritical. And yes, values continue to exist. And better that the values continue to exist and be upheld as the standard, and people fall short than that. We do what the left has done and totally destroy all values and standards utterly in order to avoid charges of hypocrisy. Okay, in just a second, we're going to get to Iran and the latest there and gas prices. The President is supposed to make a big speech tonight to the nation. We'll get to what he's going to say first. You have been told that since you were a kid. Eat your fruits, eat your veggies. I tell my own kids that. Obviously nobody ever really explained why. So here's the reality. If you're feeling off or tired or foggy, a big part of that might be what's missing from your nutrition. Luckily, our sponsor at Balance of Nature is here to help. Plants have their own nutrition. Phytonutrients. Those are the natural compounds your body uses every single day to adjust, repair and respond to stress. 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If people in the markets figure that the Straits of Hormuz can be shut anytime by the Iranians, well, that's going to get priced into the market as well. Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan gets it right. He says, listen, the markets are down, they're having some problems, but the outcome of the war is significantly more important than how the market performs today or tomorrow.
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Marco Rubio
I mean, I hear some people say, you know, they weren't an imminent threat. You know, a threat means I'm threatening you, I might do something bad. These people have been doing something bad for 47 years. They've been killing people, they've been killing Americans. They funded that terrible Hamas thing. Several Americans were killed.
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Ben Shapiro
When?
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Marco Rubio
October 7th. On October 7th. And so they've had proxy wars, they've been threatening people. I think people are surprised to find out that had a ballistic missile and go 3,000 miles. These are bad people and they needed to be stopped.
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Ben Shapiro
And of Course, that is right. It turns out that actually if you want long term economic growth, having fewer enemies on planet Earth who are capable of shutting down major waterways, that is a good thing. Well, President Trump's team announced late last night that the president will be giving a primetime address to the nation tonight. It's unclear what exactly the president will say. Brent crude already dropped on the announcement, so the markets believe that President Trump is moving closer to the end of the war, which of course is likely true. Now, some good news is that our Gulf allies would like the fight continued until Iran is no longer a threat. And finally, it looks like they're willing to put their money where their mouth is. The Wall Street Journal is reporting this morning, quote, the United Arab Emirates is preparing to help the US and other allies open the Strait of Hormuz by force, according to Arab officials, a move that would make it the first Persian Gulf country to become a combatant after being hit by Iranian attacks. The UAE has been lobbying the United Nations Security Council for a resolution that would authorize such action. Now, of course, they're not going to get it. They're not going to get it. I mean, the Russians and Chinese will block it. Emirati diplomats have urged the US and military powers in Europe and Asia to form a coalition to open the strait by force. A UAE official said the Iranian regime thinks it's fighting for its existence and is willing to bring the global economy down with it in a chokehold on the strait. And the Gulf state also said the US should occupy islands in the strategic waterway, including Abu Musa, which has been held by Iran for a half century. And UAE claims it. The basic idea here would be, you know, what would be better for global commerce is if a friendly country controlled the islands that overwatch the strait. And that, of course, is right. The Saudis too, by the way, are very into the idea that Iran's regime needs to be brought low. One Trump adviser, no doubt part of the isolationist splinter faction within the administration. It is very loud and it is very leaky, told Axios, quote, the Saudis sound like Mark Levin again. You can always tell who's talking by who is saying what. They want the US to finish the job by wiping Iran off the globe. Now, we don't want to. Well, I'm sure the person who is leaking does not want to. We'll soon find out where the president stands. Now, again, the Strait of Hormuz remains the kind of largest outstanding issue. Iran has now been activating its friends China and Pakistan to try to bribe the United States into stopping the war. So Amit Sehgal over at Channel 12 in Israel is reporting that the Pakistanis and the Chinese are asking for five conditions. One, immediate ceasefire like before any sort of concessions. Two, a start of negotiation talks. Three, cessation of attacks on non military targets. Now, I mean, presumably non military targets they believe would include things like steel factories which are the inputs for their economy or oil facilities. Four, reopening the Strait of Hormuz. And five, establishment of a peace agreement based on the principles of the UN Charter. Okay, well let's be real. The principles of the UN Charter as interpreted by China and Pakistan and Iran, they don't mean crap. The list is totally reverse of what actually should happen. Iran could open the Strait of Hormuz today. Iran could concede its nuclear program today. If Iran did, those things would be part of the world economy. Again, this is the thing that's amazing. Everyone is ignoring. There are preconditions available to actually allow Iran to rejoin the world economy. It is not that difficult, truly. All Iran would have to do is not support global terrorism, not build ballistic missiles directed at its, at its neighbors and at neighbors beyond in Europe and Africa and all the rest. And our base in Diego Garcia. All they would have to do is stop policing the Strait of Hormuz and trying to toll the Strait of Hormuz. If they just stop doing bad. You know, it's funny. There are legitimately almost 200 countries on planet Earth and the vast majority of them are not treated like Iran. I wonder why. Maybe it's because Iran is acting crazy and they've been acting crazy for almost 50 years. Well, here was Marco Rubio talking about the nuclear threat of Iran.
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Marco Rubio
So it is clear that they've been offered every opportunity to have a nuclear program that allows them to have energy, not weapons. And every single time they have turned it down. But why the attack now? Well, what was Iran trying to do? Iran was trying to build a conventional shield, in essence, have so many missiles, have so many drones that no one could attack them. And they were well on their way. We were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future. That was an intolerable risk. Under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future and ever possessed nuclear weapons. And under no circumstances can they be allowed to hide and protect that program and their ambitions behind a shield of missiles and drones that no one can do. Anything about this was our last best chance to eliminate that conventional threat, that conventional shield that they were trying to build. And the President made the right decision to wipe it out. Now that is the goal of this operation, to destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program. So, so they can't hide behind it and finally have to deal with the world seriously about never ever having nuclear weapons again.
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Ben Shapiro
Those are the goals. Now, as for the Strait of Hormuz, we'll get to that in just a minute. Well, the Iranian leadership has been appearing publicly at this point, like they're walking around. Seems like kind of a bad idea given the last time they did this. It totally blew up in their face, like literally blew up in their face. So just a couple of weeks ago, the Iranian security chief, Ali Larajani was appearing publicly and then he exploded. So now you have Abbas Arahi, who is the Foreign Minister, appearing on the streets of Tehran. You also had Mohammad Pescheskian, who is the president, appearing on the streets of Tehran. They're trying to demonstrate confidence, but the reality is that the Iranian regime is in serious, serious trouble. Their economy is non existent. Their military has been absolutely wrecked. So they have been essentially relegated to firing desultory missiles at America's allies in the region and at American bases and a few drones and harassing shipping. That's what they are right now. That is what is happening. Iranian forces also, again, these are desperation plays by Iran, truly desperation plays. They're now activating terrorist groups to kidnap Americans. So an Iranian linked terrorist group in Iraq kidnapped an American journalist in Baghdad yesterday. According to the Associated Press, an American journalist was kidnapped on Tuesday in Baghdad and Iraqi security forces are pursuing her captors. According to Iraqi officials, the journalist was identified as a freelancer named Shelley Kittleson by one of the outlets she worked for. And again, it was an Iran backed Iraqi militia named Kataib Hezbollah, which again Hezbollah is an Iranian backed terror group that spans the region. Here is some CCTV footage of Shelley Kittleston being kidnapped. So you can see there she is, you know, all the way down the street near the cars and she's essentially grabbed and then forced into a vehicle. Presumably the idea heard me to pressure President Trump, obviously. Well, Dylan Johnson, the Assistant Secretary of State for Global Public affairs then put out a statement, quote, the U.S. state Department is aware of the reported kidnapping of an American journalist in Baghdad. The State Department previously fulfilled our duty to warn this individual of threats against them. We'll continue to coordinate with the FBI to ensure their release as quickly as possible and The State Department strongly advises all Americans, including members of the press, to adhere to all travel advisories. Okay, so back to the Strait of Hormuz for a second. Pete Hegseth points out yesterday, the Secretary of War, that this is an international waterway. This is not a, an Iranian pond.
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Pete Hegseth
President was clear this morning in his truth that there are countries around the world who ought to be prepared to step up on this critical waterway as well. It's not just the United States Navy. Last time I checked, there was supposed to be a big bad Royal Navy that could be prepared to do things like that as well. So he's pointing out this is an international waterway that we use less than most. In fact, dramatically less than most. So the world ought to pay attention to be prepared to stand up. President Trump's been willing to do the heavy lifting on behalf of the free world to address this threat of Iran. It's not just our problem set going forward.
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Ben Shapiro
And of course, he is right about that. Now, the problem, of course, is that the Europeans are complete pansies on all of this. And so relying on them to reopen the waterway is sort of like the relying on the Europeans to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. It doesn't work all that well. It turns out that America remains the big bad 800 pound gorilla in the room. You know, Hegseth says that we are not foreclosing any option again, maybe boots on the ground in certain special operations. Again, no one is talking don't fall for the op. No one is talking about 100,000American boots on the ground like Iraq. No one is talking about that. Trump's not talking about it. Hexath's not talking about it. Rubio is not talking about it. That is not real. But keeping options on the table is a smart thing to do in a conflict. Here's the Secretary of War.
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Pete Hegseth
What he's simply saying, and it's exactly true, and I've said from this podium, too, we're not going to foreclose any option. You can't fight and win a war if you tell your adversary what you are willing to do or what you are not willing to do to include boots on the ground. Our adversary right now thinks there are 15 different ways we could come at them with boots on the ground. And guess what?
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Nick Fuentes
There are.
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Pete Hegseth
So if we needed to, we could execute those options on behalf of of the President, United States and this department. Or maybe we don't have to use them at all. Maybe negotiations work, or maybe there's a different approach. The point is to be unpredictable in that. Certainly not let anybody know what you're willing to do or not do.
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Ben Shapiro
The President put out a statement earlier this morning saying, quote, iran's new regime, president, much less radicalized and far more intelligent than his predecessors, has just asked the United States of America for a ceasefire. We will consider when Hormuz Strait is open, free and clear. Until then, we're blasting around into oblivion, or as they say, back to the Stone Ages. President Trump again. Fair enough. And we'll see what the President has to say tonight. We will be covering that live tonight at 9pm Eastern. Meanwhile, it is worth noting once again that there is a difference between people who are asking legitimate questions, which we should always ask about any foreign intervention or any military conflict, and the people who openly root for America's enemies. You know, people who are saying we ought to see global power to, to China, Russia and Iran. The people who pretend to be America first and the way they mean America first is. What if we are just fans of the mullahs? Well, here's Nick Fuentes doing that routine, literally saying that he is praying for the mullahs yesterday.
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Nick Fuentes
Pray for Iran. Pray for the designs of the Jews to fail. That's all we could do. Iran is fighting for the whole world right now. And don't get me wrong, I'm not praying for more casualties. I want that to stop. I want the United States to be finished. But Iran right now is fighting for all of humanity. They really are. In a way, they're fighting for us. Because if Iran falls, it means Israel controls the entire Middle East.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, I'm. Again, if you are so brain poisoned. If you are so brain poisoned that you are now in the position of arguing in favor of the Iranian regime which is responsible for the death of hundreds, if not thousands of Americans, the spread of terror all over the globe, threatening Europe with ballistic missiles and development of nuclear weapons. Because you hate Jews that much, let me just suggest that your problem isn't really the Jews. Your problem is something well beyond that, which is hatred of the civilization that grants you your rights. Okay? Meanwhile, speaking of the glories of Western civilization, NASA is launching its Artemis 2 mission today. It's very, very cool stuff. Joining me on the line to discuss is Jared isaacman. He's the 15th administrator of NASA and of course, a billionaire entrepreneur, accomplished pilot and commercial astronaut. Jared, thanks so much for taking the time. Really appreciate it.
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Jared Isaacman
Of course. Great to talk to you today.
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Ben Shapiro
So this is inspiring stuff. You know, there's a lot that brings you down in the news constantly we cover it, but this is a very, very cool thing. So for those who have not been following what NASA is doing with Artemis ii, why don't you explain the mission and what we're about to see? Sure.
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Jared Isaacman
So Artemis 2 is out at the pad right now. We're already beginning to load propellant on it. And this mission is the opening chapter in America's return to the moon. So these four astronauts, in a matter of hours are going to get accelerated to nearly 25,000 miles per hour under 8.8 million pounds of thrust. We are going to send them out past the moon about 250,000 miles away from Earth. These astronauts will travel farther from Earth than any humans have ever gone before. Traveling faster than any humans have ever gone before. They're going to check out the spacecraft, put it through its paces, they'll do some manual piloting of it, and then 10 days later, they will splash down off the west coast of the United States. This is Artemis 2. Artemis 3 will launch next year. That's where we're going to take the spacecraft and dock it with the lunar landers in Earth orbit. This is very Apollo 9 esque. Make sure the integrated operations and the lander and the spacecraft work really well. And then in 2028, before the end of President Trump's term, Artemis IV will land on the moon. And this time we're not going for the flags and footprints. We are going to stay. We are actually building a moon base.
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Ben Shapiro
I mean, this is incredibly cool stuff. I explained to Americans why exactly it would be important to progress toward a moon base, because I think people hear moon base and they immediately start thinking sci fi movies. What is the goal of a moon base? How would that help America?
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Jared Isaacman
Okay, well, here's an interesting tidbit that probably most people don't realize, but if you are 25 years old or younger, there isn't a time you have lived on this Earth where we have not had American astronauts orbiting above you on the International Space Station. We have kept human beings alive for a quarter of a century, continuously on the International Space Station. But I have to tell you this in if there was ever a safe place to keep astronauts alive in space, it's in low Earth orbit, where you have an atmosphere there, as well as Earth's magnetosphere that protect you from radiation from micrometeoroids and orbital debris. So where is the next evolution of that? The next evolution of it is to put the astronauts on the surface of the moon. Why? That's where they're gonna be able to interact with the lunar regolith, they're gonna be able to test out mobility, power, navigation, and most importantly, in situ resource manufacturing, working with the water ice that's on the south pole of the moon to make propellant. And it's going to essentially become the proving ground for future missions to Mars. Because in the not too distant future we are going to have the capability to send astronauts to Mars. The hard part is how do you bring them back home safely to tell us about it. They're going to actually have to be able to make their propellant on the surface of Mars. Better to test that three days away on the moon than it is nine months away on Mars.
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Ben Shapiro
So you know, one of the questions I think people have about the space program is why has it taken us so long to do this? It's been a long time obviously since we've put anyone, as you say, even, even close to the moon. And sort of until Elon Musk sort of revivified the dream for Americans. It was basically, the dream had essentially died. It was a cool thing that we did a long time ago. And then a lot of people started positing conspiracy theories that we'd never done it, which of course is total trash. But why did it take so long for anybody to make this sort of ambitious move again?
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Jared Isaacman
So we can certainly talk about this all day. I personally believe the number one point is a lack of competition. Look, it worked really well for us in the 1960s, right? I mean we were able to mobilize the resources of the nation, the best and brightest from across the country, and concentrating on achieving something that many people thought was impossible, and sending astronauts July 20th, 1969 to the surface of the moon and bringing them back. But after that, in hindsight, it turns out we had all the scheduled margin in the world. No humans have set foot on the moon since 1972 and it was only America. So what did we do? We started to spread out very thin. We partnered with everybody, we brought goodwill around the world, we indulged every stakeholder that imposed their projects on us. We did a number of self inflicted projects. I'll tell you as well, some of them cool. But we kind of lost that extreme focus on the mission we've been entrusted to do by the taxpayers. Well, tell you what, there is a new space race again. The Chinese space program is very impressive. Their time. They have stated publicly that they will land their techno on the moon before 2030. We've said before the end of President Trump's term that means success or failure is measured in months, not year, not years. Now we have to get back extreme focus on the actual mission itself. And that's what we're doing. That's why we're getting back into the business of launching these kind of rockets on a yearly cadence. It used to be every three years we're pulling in production right now. We're kind of rallying all of our resources around us to start moving with urgency once again. But I think competition is a big part of it. It's great motivator. You just don't want to lose.
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Ben Shapiro
We're speaking Jared Isaacman, he is the 15th administrator of NASA. So Jared, I think one thing that people should know is how much work and how much detail has to go into a mission like this. Everybody sort of has watched the movies about the Apollo space program and everyone, you know, of a certain age remembers the Challenger disaster. But how risky is the program? How do we ensure that everybody is safe? How much work goes into all of this?
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Jared Isaacman
Well, there's no doubt there is a big difference between the missions that send astronauts to the International Space station. That's again 1.8 million pounds of thrust, about 17,500 miles an hour in in orbital velocity to going to 8.8 million pounds of thrust on a vehicle as complicated as SLS that is never. Artemis II crew are the first crew to ever fly this spacecraft before. So this is very much a test mission. And we are going to put so much energy in this vehicle that it can go nearly to Earth. Escape velocity 25,000 miles an hour out and around the moon in an incredibly harsh environment. Right. I mean, there is micrometeorite orbital debris out there. There's radiation as you go through the Van Allen Belt. But I think the trick here is to understand the risk.
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Pavel Wydowski
Right.
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Jared Isaacman
This is why we do testing at every level. The sub component level, the component level integrated level. We do pre flight readiness reviews, flight readiness reviews because we want to make sure we understand the risk and that we have done everything we can to bring it down close to zero. But at some point you accept the risk because you are not going to be able to explore the worlds beyond ours without taking some risk in the process.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, it's an amazing thing and we will all get to watch it happen. That's Jared Isaacman, the 15th administrator of NASA. Jared, thanks so much for the time and it's really inspirational stuff. Very cool.
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Jared Isaacman
Thanks for covering it.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, Michael Knowles of the Daily Wire is there in person. Unfortunately, he will not be aboard a rocket being fired into the sun. But he is there to cover everything that is going on. Again, very cool stuff because America is a cool place. Okay, back to the Middle east and the economy. So the only way that the Iranians are capable of preserving themselves at this point is basically they're trying to scare the Americans into pressuring Trump to save them. This is why Mohammed Khaliba, who is the Parliament speaker, is basically Jim Cramering now. He's putting out tweets Talking about how your 5 your 401k is going down because of the Israelis. Quote, I just read about Sarah and others in the US Skipping meals because gas prices keep climbing. Sad. But this is what happens when your leaders put others ahead of hardworking and ordinary Americans. It's not America first anymore. It's Israel first. Again, you can tell who they're using as their tools and you can tell who exactly is repeating their propaganda. Guys, gas prices are bad right now, right? They're not great. It is also worth noting they are not historically terrible. Again, this is not lack of sympathy for people who are paying more at the pump. We're all paying more at the pump. We're all paying more at the pump. And that's bad. But the whole point is that gas prices are going to dive after this war is over because you're not going to have to worry about the Iranians being in charge of the Strait of Hormuz. According to the Wall Street Journal, in some respects, $4 a gallon gasoline should not put much of a dent in the consumer spending in the economy. When adjusting for inflation, consumers are paying less for gasoline now than they were in the past. Energy Department data show Regular gasoline touched 5 bucks in June 2022, adjusted for inflation. And in today's dollars, that would be 556. Even that is low in comparison with the inflation adjusted 617 hit in June 2008. Also, our vehicles are generally more efficient and we spend less of our income as a percentage on gasoline than we did in the past. The Europeans are still freaking out because that's what they do because they don't have any production of their own. And of course, Americans ought to be concerned about gas prices going forward. But that's the whole point. This is not going to be a long war. How many times can President Trump say it? Everyone keeps saying forever war. Again, I'm just going to point out that everyone who is now saying forever war, we are now in a couple of. We are on day 32, day 32 of this war. Day 32. We're not talking about a six month war or a year war or a 10 year war or a 20 year war like Afghanistan. Day 32, day 32. So give President Trump some room to actually win since the United States military is in fact wrecking one of our chief enemies. Well, in other news, the UK is now scrapping its policing of so called hate incidents. This is actually a good thing. I know. A rare piece of good news from the uk. The UK government has announced that police will be told to stop recording everyday rouse and online spats as non crime hate incidents are set to be scrapped by the government. Over recent years, unclear guidance has led to officers being called out to people's homes over insults and routine arguments. They are stopping that. The UK Home Office says that police will no longer investigate social media posts, which is a step in the right direction, obviously. And I think that happened largely because of pressure from Elon Musk and from the Americans. It certainly didn't happen because of internal pressures inside the uk. And then the UK Home Office actually did something magical yesterday. They announced that the grooming gang scandal is in fact real. So they kept pretending that it was really not a thing. The grooming gang scandal is of course Muslim gangs, largely of taxi drivers in, in Britain who were essentially preying on young white girls. And this was covered up by the police because the police thought that it would generate outsized Islamophobia. This was legitimately what happened. Well now the UK Home Office has put out a statement, quote, the grooming gang scandal is one of the darkest moments in our country's history where the most vulnerable were abused and exploited by evil child rapists. The independent national inquiry will now begin its work to uncover how these crimes were allowed to happen in root out failure wherever it occurred. This, this was a massive pedophilia controversy. It was ignored and covered up by the police because again, they did not want to give credence to the quote unquote anti immigrant groups inside, inside the uk. Well, better late than never. But again, a reminder that when you let political correctness dictate how you do policy, this is what you end up with is actual human suffering. Alrighty. Well, joining me on the line now is the host of a brand new show over at Daily Wire plus Be a man with me. You may know Pavel Wydowski from being referred to constantly on the show because Pavel of course is one of the more amusing people here at Daily Wire, but his brand new series is about joining the real men of America, like cops and firefighters and farmers and MMA fighters in Order to learn what it means to be a man, what toughness really looks like, and also how many ice packs it takes to survive it. If you actually seen the trailer, I mean, Pavel is just getting destroyed in the trailer. Like, full scale destroyed. I mean, here is the trailer.
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Pavel Wydowski
Did I mention I hate heights? My name is Pawo. When I was growing up, I wanted to be a real man. So I'm going to hit the road, meet the men that are manly, courageous, and strong. The men that I wanted to be like when I was a kid. Daddy's coming with some food.
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Ben Shapiro
I don't know if there's a more noble cause or better people to work with.
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Pavel Wydowski
I'm gonna see if I can be just like them.
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Ben Shapiro
We don't see ourselves as heroes. We honestly just think it's doing our job.
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Pavel Wydowski
If you want to be a hero, if you want to be a badass PMN like these guys, Eight episodes. I am so deep. Eight life lessons. My name is Paavo. BMN with me.
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Ben Shapiro
Deep breath in. All right, well, Paavo joins us on the line momentarily. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, getting zapped for the Daily Wire again. If I could have volunteered Michael Moles for this job, I certainly would have done so well. Pavel Wydowski joins us on the line right now. So, Pavel, what's going on, dude? How's it. How's everything going?
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Pavel Wydowski
Hi, Ben. It's. It's definitely weird to be on that side of the camera. Every time I watch this trailer, I get more cringy and more cringy. So. Yeah. How you doing?
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Ben Shapiro
Okay, so let's talk about. Let's talk about what this show is about. Why should people watch it?
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Pavel Wydowski
Well, I guess, you know, we're trying to highlight silent heroes, essentially. Right. The guys that are not really highlighted in that world. Right. So firefighters, police officers, farmers. You know, those are people who are just doing job every day. Okay. Every day, no matter what. Like, with police officers, you know, they are being told that, you know, they are not needed, and the reality is we really need them. So, you know, I went on a journey to spend a day with them. Yeah. Training, Maybe a taser. Oh, my God. Okay, that's enough. I did hundreds of those already. They are making me do things, Ben. I can't even tell you. So, yeah, so spend a day with police officers. Spend a day with farmers. Spend a day with electrical linemen. Spend a day with helicopter rescue, which is essentially air ambulance. You know, those are the guys that see worst of the worst of the worst. There's a few more that we're doing that I don't want to reveal just yet. But it's an adventure and it's a lot of pain. Even this thing on my forehead. We shot an episode yesterday. If you want to know what happened, just watch the episode. It's going to come out in a few weeks. It was fun. It was painful. Yeah.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, we do have a farmer sneak peek. A clip. A sneak peek of Powell's episode with going going farming, which again, might be my worst nightmare. Here is. Here's a sneak peek here.
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Pavel Wydowski
Can you hear anything? No. Do I like it? Yes.
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Ben Shapiro
It's awesome. It's awesome.
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Pavel Wydowski
It's awesome. Erica.
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Ben Shapiro
Oh, more. Does he have his shirt off or is it.
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Pavel Wydowski
I think so. Sheesh. Oh, it's gonna be awkward now. Like, you ain't my house for dinner.
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Jared Isaacman
Freaking.
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Ben Shapiro
Oh, my gosh. Surprise you what?
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Pavel Wydowski
Standing on the top of the combine with American fly, the happiest man in the world right here. Yep.
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Ben Shapiro
Pavel, you've had some experiences madud making this show. So what have you learned so far?
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Pavel Wydowski
Well, you know, what I actually learned, you know, I always consider myself not a person who can be walked all over. I thought, you know, I'm a dude, I can do things. I definitely got humbled in a lot of ways. And, you know, I realized that I'm not really that strong, that capable. And it's a lesson for me. And I'm putting out there my complexes, the things that I'm not proud of, you know, my weaknesses to people. And, you know, I'm just trying to feel what they feel on daily basis, do what they do on daily basis just. Just for a sneak peek of it. And hopefully this can inspire younger generation to take an action with their life and do something meaningful. I think nowadays masculinity is not necessarily driving bugatti and having nine yachts and 20 girlfriends. I don't think that's it. I think masculinity is caring, protecting, providing, doing what's right even when it's not rewarded. Being a silent hero like those heroes are, even farmer farmers, man. They're feeding the entire country and nobody's talking about how difficult their job is and their land is being taken away and there's weather challenges and on and on, and they're just doing what's right. They're doing it every day. It's phenomenal. It's really inspiring in a lot of ways.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, the show is Be a man with me. It's available only at Daily Wire plus, and you can hang out with Pavel Wydowski and watch him torture himself and be tortured by others, as well as learning what it's like to be a man in various walks of life. Pavel, congratulations on the show.
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Pavel Wydowski
Thank you, Mr. Ben Pleasure.
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Ben Shapiro
All righty, folks, the show continues for our members right now. Remember, in order to watch, you have to be a member. If you're not a member, become member. Use code Shapiro at checkout. Try two months free on all annual plans. We're going to take your questions coming right up. Click that link in the description and join us.
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Pavel Wydowski
Sam.