Loading summary
Transcript80 lines
- [00:00]
Ben Shapiro
True self reliance begins with taking control of your health. Our sponsor, Armor Colostrum, harnesses nature's original blueprint for resilience. Our bodies face constant pressure from toxins, processed foods, relentless stress. AMRA Colostrum is a bioactive whole food, a pure concentrate of bovine colostrum that's sustainably sourced with a commitment to calf first sourcing. With over 400 bioactive nutrients, it fortifies your entire gut wall system and strengthens your immune system from the cellular level up. This means balanced immune health, better digestion, less bloating and support for healthy metabolism and fat burning from the inside out. Your elite athletes have been using Colostrum for years because it enhances nutrient absorption, builds lean muscle and speeds recovery. But the benefits go way deeper. Cellular level support for hair, skin energy, everything. This isn't processed or manipulated. It's pure, potent and natural, your body's blueprint for rebuilding itself the way it was designed to function. When you invest in your health, you invest in your ability to show up fully, think clearly and stay in control no matter what comes your way. We've worked out a special offer for my audience. Receive 30% off your first subscription order. Head on over to armor.comshapiro or enter Shapiro to get 30% off your first Subscription Order. That's a R M R A.comshapiro we'll get to more on this in a moment. First, there's something refreshing about buying things that are actually built to last. Not everything has to be built to break. Not everything has to be disposable. Not everything has to be replaced every single year. Some things are worth investing in because they actually get better the longer you own them. And that's true particularly of boots. TO Covas makes handcrafted Western boots that combine classic style with everyday comfort. Whether you're heading to a wedding, a concert, a work event, a weekend trip or just out to dinner, they make boots that fit the occasion. One thing that really stands out is the comfort. Every single pair is handcrafted through more than 200 individual steps using premium leathers and traditional construction techniques. The result is a boot that feels right almost immediately. No painful break in period. No weeks of waiting for them to become comfortable. To Covis offers everything from classic cowhide and goat leather to exotic leathers like ostrich and cayman. Whether it's your first pair of boots or you've owned Western boots for years, there's a style that fits. And Tokovas is more than just boots. They also make premium apparel, belts, wallets, denim, other leather goods built with the same attention to quality and craftsmanship. The in store experience is worth mentioning as well. They have more than 50 stores around the country, so you can stop in, try everything on, get expert guidance, enjoy complimentary beverages, even personalize your boots with custom branding. It's the kind of experience that reminds you what good retail used to feel like. It's pretty bespoke right now. Get 10% off at tokova.com Shapiro when you sign up for email and texts, that's 10% off at t e c o v a s.com/shapiro that's to covest.comshapiro c site for details to Covis point your toes West. Get to more on this in a moment. First, there's a point where enjoying good food starts feeling like a budgeting exercise. You find a restaurant you love, the bill arrives, you realize that trying a new restaurant has become a pretty serious financial commitment. That's one reason that Cook Unity caught my attention. The experience is surprisingly close to what people actually want from restaurants in the first place. Genuinely good food made by real chefs. Cook Unity is the first chef led meal delivery service that prepares meals in small batches inside local micro kitchens across the country instead of producing them in giant factories. And honestly, you can tell because meals don't feel mass produced. The food tastes like somebody actually cooked it because somebody actually did. Cook Unity works with Michelin starred chefs, James Beard Award winners, Food Network personalities who create meals that are then prepared in local kitchens and delivered fresh, never frozen. My wife and I, we like to order out Vietnamese sometimes and food is really good. Cook Unity probably has it and probably has it better. To be honest with you. There are hundreds of meals to choose from. The menu is constantly changing. Whether you're looking for high protein options, gluten free meals, pescatarian dishes, Mediterranean food, Italian food, Mexican food, Thai food, or just something different from your normal routine. There are lots of options. Taste what happens when real award winning chefs make fresh, small batched meals just for you. Go to cookunity.com Ben or enter code BEN before checkout to get 50% off your first order. That's 50% off your first order. By using code BEN or heading on over to cookunity.com Ben you can tell a deal is going well when it's in tenuous shape. Within two days, President Trump signed an mou, a vague MOU with Iran on Wednesday. That same day, Hezbollah, an Iranian backed terror group, attacked Israel and Israeli citizens and Israeli soldiers many, many times. Same thing on Thursday. And then on Thursday The Iranians reportedly pulled out of negotiations in Switzerland on the next steps. All of which was predictable because Iran is run by lying terrorist thugs. We'll get into all the latest in the non deal Iran deal plus Barack Obama's star studded library opening and Tom Hanks dumps on Ms. Now this is the Ben Shapiro show. Alrighty, so here's the latest. On Wednesday, as you recall, the president of the United States was in Versailles signing a memorandum of understanding with the Islamic Republic of Iran, a terror state. That same exact day, Iran backed Lebanese terror group Hezbollah, which is responsible by the way for the murder of literally hundreds of American citizens, launched 63 rockets at Israeli troops plus two explosive drones plus one missile on Thursday. The next day five terrorists from Hezbollah approached the Israeli forward defense line in Lebanon. Also Hezbollah launched five explosive drones. That same day four Israeli troops were incinerated by one of those explosive drones. So Israel then retaliated by striking a bunch of targets in southern Lebanon because that, that's what happens when terrorists attack you, whether you're American or Israeli or anyone. You retaliate and you kill them and you kill the people who are behind them. That is obviously what the United States would do if Mexico fired at American troops. Hell president said that that's what we would do if Iran killed American troops in the Middle East. Here was the president just a couple of weeks ago. Is that your red line for ending the ceasefire?
- [05:33]
Donald Trump
If they killed US troops, what does
- [05:35]
Whoopi Goldberg
that mean that you would restart the
- [05:38]
Ben Shapiro
war with Iran if they killed U.S. troops?
- [05:39]
Donald Trump
Well, it would be a good reason, I'd be honest with you. If they killed U.S. troops, I think I would do that very quickly.
- [05:48]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, so again, that's the way it works. Well, based on Israel defending itself against again a terror group, Hezbollah, Iran then said they would not show up to Switzerland to negotiate with Vice President Vance. On Friday, US Iran talks were officially postponed. The US Blamed logistics issues which, I mean, come on, this is not about flight arrangements. Media reporting that Iran had delayed thanks to the Israeli action against Hezbollah in Lebanon. According to cnn, quote, Vice President Vance is no longer traveling to Switzerland for U. S. Iran negotiations today. With talks postponed, Iran has asked for guarantees that hostilities in Lebanon will end before it resumes the talks. A diplomat told cnn. Iranians have asked for guarantees that hostilities in Lebanon will end as outlined in the signed agreement, the diplomat said, adding that mediators are currently working to resolve the issue. The source described the planned talks as now temporarily postponed following Israeli strikes in Lebanon without saying when. Meteors expected some sort of resumption. So again, the goal here was that Iran wanted the US to tie Israel's hands as part of the deal. And Israel, as any nation, would, declined to have its hands tied against terrorism because again, no country worth its salt in its right mind would stop killing terrorists targeting its homeland and its soldiers. Not America, not Israel, not anyone. So. So now it's being reported that the US has brokered some sort of ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. Maybe the talks will be put back on, maybe they won't. The hokey pokey is happening. But herein lies the point. This deal was never a deal. It was always, from the very beginning, vaporware. See, here's the thing about deals. When you make a durable deal, it always involves two elements. First, a partner on the other side who's credible in their commitments. Right? This has to be true for any contract. If you sign a contract with anyone, the person on the other side is bound by a wide variety of provisions. In any agreement to keep to its commitments, there has to be an incentive structure. And of course, you have to be able to trust the person on the other side of the table will actually keep their commitments. Second, there has to be a meeting of the minds. That is an agreement on the terms. That is basic contract law. If you and I sign a contract, then I am going to buy a house at an agreed upon price. And I think the agreed upon price is $10, and you think the agreed upon price is $10 million. We do not have an agreement on terms. We do not have a meeting of the minds. We do not have a deal or a contract. Again, both of those things have to be present in order for a deal to be durable. One, a credible partner on the other side of the table who will keep their commitments. And to a meeting of the minds, actual agreement on the terms of the contract. This deal has, has neither of those elements, and it never did have either of those elements. Iran, lest we forget, is run by terrorist jihadists. And also, there was no agreement on the actual terms. Now, again, there's a reason why President Trump signed. He signed very obviously to open the Strait of Hormuz, and that was the reason the oil prices would dive, the economy would go up. Now, the reality I said before, if we wanted to, quote, unquote, open the strait and leave it in the hands of the Iranians, we could have just walked away. We didn't have to sign a damn thing. We could have made no commitments, kept the sanctions on and just walked away. And then Iran would toll the straits or whatever but instead we are pretending that the strait is open and it's not. It is run by the Iranians. We are keeping our commitments. We stopped the blockade. Right? CENTCOM announced yesterday that US Forces lifted the blockade on all maritime traffic entering and exiting Iranian ports and coastal areas in accordance with the President's direction. Okay, but the Iranians, well, it turns out that they are just openly saying that they control the strait now. It is not open. It is not equally accessible by all parties. They are openly saying that they control the strait in perpetuity. Today, the Persian Gulf Authority, which is Iran, said this quote, with regard to the signing of the Islamabad Memorandum of Understanding and the issuance of directives by by the competence authorities. Applicants wishing to transit the Strait of Hormuz are hereby informed that within the timeframe specified in the Memorandum of Understanding, the transit of vessels that submit their transit requests to the Persian Gulf Waterway Management in compliance with the following points will be processed expeditiously. So in other words, you have to submit your papers to the Iranians and then maybe they will approve them. During the 60 day period, say the Iranians, no fees will be levied on vessels and the tariffs for security, safety and environmental service will, as well as the relevant Iranian insurance shall be borne entirely by the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Now left unmentioned. Is that beyond the 60 days? That's not true. And here's the deal. They can close it now. They can close it at any time. I mean, hell, the IRGC Navy literally put out a broadcast today in the strait saying that they were going to shut down the strait. Then later they backed off of it. They said they weren't going to do it. But here is what they broadcast. This is a translation quote. Since Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon and the complete lifting of the naval blockade and the withdrawal of American terrorist forces from the Persian Gulf in the region are among the main conditions of the agreement between Iran and the United States. The Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until these two conditions are met. All ships are ordered not to approach the Strait of Hormuz for their own safety and health. Any vessel that defies this order will be targeted. So in other words, Iran still controls the strait. And again, this is a weird move. It is a weird move because let's just say that Iran keeps its commitment for the next 60 days not to toll the straits and they keep it open. Why in the world would you essentially give them an economic nuclear weapon in perpetuity? Let's say that we get one I know, I know. The President is trying to lower the gas prices until after the election. I get it. However, if the Iranians don't like President Trump, which they don't, and if the Iranians would like the Democrats to win, which presumably they would, why would they not wait until one week before the election and just close the straight again? I mean, they could just do that at literally any time. So, again, I understand why the President signed. I understand the incentive structure here. But I think what's more important here is why Iran signed. In just one second, we'll get into the question of why Iran signed this deal. There's one pretty good smart reason why they did. Quick question. If I asked you right now what keeps you up at night about your business, what would you say? Well, obviously you might worry about getting better employees. Or maybe you're worried about your overhead costs. My guess is almost nobody answered. I wonder if my insurance policy still matches the business I'm running. That's a huge problem. Most brokers help you buy a policy. They shake your hand, they collect a commission, and then they are gone until renewal season. But your business does not operate on a renewal schedule. Claims don't, audits don't, employee questions don't. Growth doesn't. That's why I want to tell you about Super Sure. If your company has more than 25 employees, whether you're the owner, CFO or HR manager, things get complicated fast. Super sure is a super agency built specifically for growing businesses. They're licensed in every state for both business insurance and employee benefits. They provide year round support for you and your team at no additional cost. What I particularly like is their Fine Print Facts tool. It translates your current policy into plain English so you can actually understand what's covered, what's not covered, and where there might be gaps. But they also offer a business value calculator so you can estimate what your business is worth. Because before you can protect something, you need to know what you've built. Head over to Super Sure.com Shapiro. That's Super Sure.com Shapiro. One super agency, one powerful platform. All your policies in one place again@super sure.com Shapiro paid for by Super Sure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency. Why did Iran sign? Well, I mean, they get a few things. Aside from the fact that the MOU actually guarantees them some obvious immediate benefits, including that America will stop attacking them and that we will remove the blockade and allow them to ship their oil sanctions free, there's something bigger that's going on here. The goal of the Iranian government was to get America to sign on the dotted line. That is a major win for them. Why? Well, because they are master negotiators and they know one thing. Everyone who signs an international deal, at least in democracies, has what's called sunk cost fallacy. Sunk cost fallacy is something that afflicts all human beings and you have to fight your way through it. Sunk cost fallacy is the idea, let's say you buy a fixer of a house and you dump $100,000 into fixing the house and you know it's going to cost you another $300,000 and then it's a money loser. You're only going to be able to sell the house for $200,000. Many people will go ahead and continue to sink the money into the house because they'll say, hey, I already spent 100. I may as well spend 300 more to get to the completion of the project. That's sunk cost fallacy. You've already put yourself out there for a thing. You may as well quote, unquote, go all the way. In other words, once you say and feel that you like a thing, people feel a necessity to keep defending the thing. So this means that Iran wanted to get America's name on the paper in the belief that America will keep defending the crappy deal no matter what. Which again would mean inherently, as we said before, defending the terms of the deal and also Iran as a credible negotiating partner. Now, this is the biggest problem. Iran is run by thug terrorists who have murdered thousands of Americans and in the last few months alone, tens of thousands of Iranians. They lie like they breathe. Obviously, they have violated every deal they have ever signed. They are not trustworthy. They are terror supporters. But now we obviously have a stake in pretending that they are credible. Now here's the thing. They're openly dunking on us. They know this. We're pretending that they're reasonable and rational partners on the other side of the table and they're just dunking on us. So, for example, senior IRGC officer Mohsen Rezai said, quote, the proud and triumphant nation of Iran brought the devils of the world to their knees and shattered their dominance. This epic will endure eternally in history. We mourn over the blood of our martyr leader and there is no balm for this wound save vengeance. United as one behind the supreme leader of the revolution, we await the fulfillment of the conditions. Meanwhile, the guy whose name is on the other side of the agreement, Mohamed Khalaba, who again is the leader of the Iranian parliament and a murderer says, quote, we are at your command. The task assigned by us to the supreme leader is to pursue the realization of the conditions and clauses of the agreement. In the event of bad faith, breach of contract, and excessive demands by the opposing side. We have no hesitation in delivering a crushing response to the enemy. They were once slapped during the war if they wish to tread that path again, if receive an even harder slap. So, again, does that sound like a wonderful, awesome partner? Is that what that sounds like to you? Meanwhile, the United States is out there talking about how wonderful and rational these people are. President Trump Yesterday at the G7 was talking about how, you know, the Iranians are great.
- [16:10]
Donald Trump
We're dealing with people that I think are very rational people, and they were nice to deal with. They were strong people, smart people. I think actually they're smarter than the first and second group, but they're not radicalized, and they're, you know, looking to help their country.
- [16:30]
Ben Shapiro
And then, of course, J.D. vance, the Vice President of the United States, who's on CBN News with David Brody, and he suggested that he was not uncomfortable in any way standing alongside Mohamed Khalaba, a mass murderer. How uncomfortable is that going to be for you? I mean, obviously you don't support the actions of what he did, but you're going to be standing next to him.
- [16:48]
J.D. Vance
You know, it's not uncomfortable. I think what the President would say, and I certainly agree, is you deal with all kinds of people in international relations. Sometimes you deal with very nice people, sometimes you deal with very not nice people. Our goal is to try to make the region safer, but most importantly, get what we need for the American people.
- [17:05]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, so again, the Iranians understand that if they are treated as a credible partner, they can play us for fools. If we are more invested in the deal than they are, they can pretend that terms that we negotiated mean what they want them to mean, not what we say that they mean, and that we will continue to defend Iran and their, quote, unquote, reasonable interpretations. That's the whole game. And that brings us back to Lebanon and what's been going on over the course of the last 48 hours. So if you recall, the MOU, which we've gone through in detail, literally, point one of the deal reads, quote, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war declare upon signing this memorandum of understanding, an immediate and permanent cessation of military activity on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake not to initiate further war or any military action. Against each other, to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other, and to ensure the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. Now that provision can be read in two separate ways. This is why I say a meeting of the minds requires both sides to read the provision the same way. This is why lawyers usually negotiate out agreements like this, so that there is no lack of clarity. The whole purpose, however, of this agreement was to prevent clarity. So the United States said from the outset that this term did not stop Israel from defending itself from Hezbollah because again, the provision says that there would be an immediate and permanent cessation of military activity on all fronts, including in Lebanon. Lebanon is a state. Hezbollah is not the state of Lebanon. Therefore, in the American read, this does not prevent anti terror action in Lebanon. It prevents action against the Lebanese government. In Iran's read, this is supposed to prevent Israel from defending itself from Hezbollah. Now we would be a little crazy to try to stop Israel from protecting itself from Hezbollah. Again, Hezbollah is not only a terrorist group, it is a terrorist group responsible for the murder of hundreds of Americans. They killed 241 Marines in Beirut in 1983. They killed another 19 US airmen in Saudi in 1996 in the Khobar Towers bombing. They've been responsible for the collapse of the Lebanese state and continuous terror attacks on northern Israel for decades. At this point, literally every single day, Iran says literally point one of the agreement. Point one, the first point is that we, the United States, must stop Israel from defending itself. Which is kind of a big gap, right? I mean that's a big gap and everybody just glossed over it to get to a deal. So what does that mean? It means the US in an attempt to make it work, is now basically kind of trying to play it both ways. We'll say sure, Israel has the right to defend itself, but not too hard because then the Iranians might get mad. Now the easiest way to accomplish this uncomfortable goal is to just lie and say that really you're in favor of Israeli self defense. Like Israel can defend itself against terrorists.
- [19:52]
Donald Trump
But.
- [19:52]
Ben Shapiro
But the problem is they're brutal and vicious. They're so mean. Maybe the Syrians should do it. The Syrian terrorist army. That's what the Vice President has been doing over the course of the last couple of days. Here's what he had to say at his White House presser yesterday.
- [20:05]
J.D. Vance
The Israelis, just like everybody else, have to respect this peace process that is fundamentally good for them and good for the entire region. What the President has grown frustrated sometimes is that we seem to be right on the cusp of a major breakthrough in the agreement. And the. And then all of a sudden there's a major explosion that goes off in a civilian population center in Beirut and a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hezbollah lose their lives. That's not acceptable.
- [20:28]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, so he's lying. It's not true. Okay, what actually happened is that Hezbollah fired drones over the Israeli border into the sovereign state of Israel. Again, if there were a Mexican drug cartel that began firing rockets over the border next to hotels in San Diego or homes in San Diego, do you think the Trump administration would say, hey, it's a pinprick, who cares? Or would the Mexican drug cartels be destroyed immediately? Also, it is not true that Israel destroyed an entire building and killed civilians. This is actual video of the Beirut bombing. As you can see, it hit a specific apartment, and according to Hezbollah, it killed only members of Hezbollah. Okay, so again, in order to make the claim that really, really, really, Israel is allowed to defend itself, but not too hard because they get, they get too crazy. That's the, that's the shtick. We are now basically attempting to draw middle ground where none exists because we believe as Americans that our allies should be able to defend themselves from Iranian backed terrorists. And Iran believes that we, as America should stop our allies from defending themselves against Iranian backed terrorists. So, you know, President Trump, he's trying to again, tell the Israelis not to defend themselves too much, because if they defend themselves too much, then it might kill the deal he was on with Mark Caputo at Axios, and he says that the Israelis basically will do whatever he says. Are you going to be able to control Israel from attacking Lebanon?
- [22:00]
Donald Trump
Yeah, I will be. I mean, no wonder. They have a lot of respect for me and they do as I say.
- [22:10]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, So, I mean, at this point, I should just point out, actually, America doesn't do what Israel says, and Israel doesn't do what America says. And they're both sovereign countries, as noted, the Israelis don't like this deal very much. They think it's a bad deal. Okay, well, you know, America thinks it's a good deal, and so President Trump is doing the deal. That's the way it works. Israel believes it ought to protect itself, and so it will protect itself and should protect itself. And this notion that America is going to tell them that they can't protect themselves in Lebanon, I don't see the purpose of it. Instead, what we have is a sort of bizarre game in which the United States pretends there's a cycle of violence that just has to stop rather than Israeli self defense, that again, there are allies. They were flying sorties with us this whole war. It was Israeli intelligence that led to the targeting of Ayatollah Khamenei. It was Israeli intelligence, by the way, that helped with rescuing American pilots. Our pilots. Hey, but, but the game is that because there was no actual agreement on the terms in the first place, we're going to manipulate the agreement into some sort of bizarre agreement that we never had with them. And that is basically a non starter. Okay? And Iran knows this. Iran knows this. Their entire goal is to push Hezbollah to kill Israelis, get the Israelis to respond, and then push the United States to blame Israel for being disproportionate so that Iran won't walk out of the deal. And again, that's a great deal for Iran because if Israel were to listen and stop attacking Hezbollah, Hezbollah could up the ante, take back territory, reset up its terror bases, threaten Israel again, which Israel can't allow. And if Israel doesn't allow it, then Iran hopes the United States will turn on Israel in order to protect a deal that doesn't really exist. Again, the Iranians are really good at this. They're very smart. And then if and when the deal falls apart, which again is extremely likely because the chances the MOU ever turns into the framework for a permanent deal are slim to none given the fact that Iran and the United States don't agree on the basic deal points in the mou. Again, the United States says that the IAEA is going to be present to downblend Iranian nuclear weaponry and nuclear materials. And the Iranian government is itself saying they will not work with the iaea. So there's really not even agreement on the basic terms of the deal. But if and when the thing falls apart, then presumably the people who promote the deal the hardest will blame Israel for everything falling apart. And that is pretty much what Vice President Vance was doing yesterday. We'll get to more on this in a moment. First, every American enjoys the freedom to speak our minds, to worship, start a business, raise a family, pursue the American dream. Those freedoms were passed down to us by generations of Americans who are willing to serve and sacrifice on behalf of the country. As America approaches its 250th birthday, that is worth remembering. It's also why I'm proud that PureTalk is partnering with America's Warrior Partnership to raise $250,000 for veterans. America's Warrior Partnership works to prevent veteran suicide by helping veterans access housing, transportation, counseling, VA benefits, and other essential services. They focus on practical solutions that help veterans build stable, successful lives. After service this month, you can help. When you switch your cell phone service to PeerTalk, you'll have the opportunity to round up your bill in support of America's Warrior Partnership. Puritok will match donations until they reach $250,000. You'll be helping veterans while saving money on your wireless Service. For just $34.99 a month, you'll get unlimited talk, unlimited text, and unlimited high speed data at a fraction of the price charged by the major carriers. As we celebrate 250 years of American freedom, let's remember the men and women who helped to preserve it. Head on over to PureTalk.com Shapiro to make that switch to PureTalk again PureTalk.com Shapiro to switch to my wireless company, America's Wireless Company, Pure Talk. So in a much ballyhooed moment, the VP was doing a presser at the White House and he launched into a very, very strong attack on members of the Israeli government. Here's what he had to say.
- [25:53]
J.D. Vance
What I will say, and this does bother me, is that you have seen people within Bibi's cabinet who have come out and attacked the deal and in some ways very personally attacked the President of the United States. And I guess my message to them would be twofold. Number one, Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world. And the second message I would give to some of those cabinet members, Bibi, to his credit, has not gone down this path, but to some of these cabinet members in Israel who are attacking the President of the United States. The other thing that I would say is that over the last three months, 2/3 of the defensive weapons that have protected your homeland have been built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars. The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump. And anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem is the President of the United States needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation that country is in.
- [27:10]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, so there are a wide variety of things that the vice President says there that are just factually untrue. First of all, the idea that no one on the international stage is allied with Israel is false. India is allied with Israel. Singapore is allied with Israel. UAE is allied with Israel. There are a wide variety of Eastern European countries that are allied with Israel. So that's just not true. I mean, Jordan was helping to shoot down ordinance coming the other way. Saudi was letting Israel use airspace, whether they say so or not, during the last war. So it's not true. As far as the arg, when he says that members of the Israeli cabinet have been attacking the President personally, that's also false. He cannot name a single member of the Israeli cabinet who attacked the President personally. They might not like the deal, and that's their prerogative, but they didn't attack the President personally. What Vice President Vance is saying with regard to Israel being grateful for American ordinance shooting things down, I mean, I can tell you that the Israelis are, of course, extraordinarily grateful for that. And the fact is that the United States military and the Israeli military worked hand in glove during this entire war. Israel was flying the vast majority of the sorties over Iran and providing a huge percentage of the intelligence with regard to that. The deal will either work or it won't. Okay? Wasn't up to me. I didn't think that the deal was good. I still don't think that the deal is good. But I'm not the decision maker. The President is the decision maker, and the Vice President helped him make that decision and negotiated that deal. So either the deal will work or it won't. If it works, then The President and J.D. vance will get all the credit. And if it fails, then The President and J.D. vance will get all the blame, because that's how politics works. But again, the sort of preemptive blame shifting, which is really what's going on here, is, I would say, unfortunate and I think politically shortsighted in the extreme. J.D. vance is suggesting that he isn't trusting the Iranians. You see, Isn't it worth trying? Isn't peace worth giving a chance?
- [28:58]
J.D. Vance
You know, I've seen skeptics of the deal people say the Iranians will never change their behavior. Well, maybe that's true. And if so, they don't get any of the benefits of the bargain. But isn't it worth trying? Isn't it worth seeing whether this incredible, incredibly weakened position that the President of the United States has put the Iranians under, whether that motivates them to change their behavior?
- [29:20]
Ben Shapiro
Well, so actually they did get a bunch of things right. They got us to remove the blockade. They got us to commit that we would not actually launch more attacks on them. They got us to unfreeze many of their assets. They got us to remove sanctions on the shipments in and out of oil. But hey, all right, we should always give peace a chance. Unless it turns out that there's not a great chance and that instead what's going to happen here in all likelihood is that sunk cost fallacy that the Iranians are seeking an American administration that keeps defending a bad deal as it gets worse and worse. That essentially Iran looks at the vice president as Darth Vader once looked at Lando Calrissian and says the deal has changed. And the vice president says this deal keeps getting worse all the time. Yes, that's the way this turns into a problem. The problem is not people in America who are unenthusiastic about a bad mou, or the Israelis defending themselves or the Israelis who are unhappy with the mou. They're not the decision makers. The problem is when you negotiate with a terrorist regime, they lie to you. If that terrorist regime is responsible for the death of thousands of Americans, they might be lying. I mean, right now, they're openly lying to our face. And when you gloss over the main terms of the deal to pretend to get to a deal that is not likely to go well. So we'll see where it goes from here. Maybe the rabbit gets pulled out of the hat. Or maybe this goes precisely the way I think most people who have studied the Middle east for any period of time think that it is likely to go. Alrighty. Coming up, the Italian prime minister is mad at President Trump. Plus, Barack Obama is back and worse than ever. We'll get to all of that in a moment. First, people spend a lot of time talking about bringing manufacturing back to the United States, which is, again, that's great. But it's also worth noticing the industries that never actually left in the first place. One example, America's beverage companies. The drinks people have grown up with for generations. Sodas, sparkling waters, teas, sports drinks. The companies behind them have continued making those products here in the US the entire time. And behind all of that are 275,000 men and women across all 50 states showing up every single day doing the real work. These are good paying jobs. Distribution, manufacturing, trucking, production. The kinds of jobs that support families and local communities. For more than a century, America's beverage companies have continued investing here, building here, employing American workers in American hometowns. And in an economy where so many industries move to operations overseas, that actually does matter. Learn more about how they're keeping america strong@wedeliverforamerica.org Again, that's wedeliver for america.org America's beverage companies have generated an enormous number of jobs, plus the stuff that you like drinking. Go check out how they help America every day. And at WeDeliver for America.org, that's WeDeliver for America.org and meanwhile, a sort of minor tete a tet between the President and the Italian Prime Minister, Giorgio Maloney. So there was a phone call with Italian media, apparently on Thursday night, and President Trump started launching into Georgia Maloney. For some reason, he said that she was, quote, probably happy I spoke to her. I didn't have to adding, quote, she wanted a picture with me so badly, I wouldn't have taken it, but I felt sorry for her. Well, Georgia Maloney then returned fire, and she said this was totally made up. She released a video on social media saying, italy and I never beg. She added she was stunned by the President's remarks and that even though this is not happening for the first time, it's a pity Trump does not show the same determination against the enemies of the west, which is a little pointed from the Italian Prime Minister. Again, it seems as though the irritation of even erstwhile allies like George Meloni may be growing. And meanwhile, the left continues to be as unhinged as humanly possible and disconnected from reality as humanly possible. So yesterday, former President Barack Obama opened his monstrosity of a library. And this thing looks like a trash bin. I mean, it actually looks like a trash bin. I don't mean that there's, like, trash everywhere. I mean, it's nice and clean and also looks like a trash bin. It is a hideous structure that rises from the area around the lake in Chicago. And it kind of looks like the transporter that the gigantic machine used by the Jawas in Episode four of Star Wars. And I think that that is probably the best analogy. Well, President Obama showed up, President Trump did not. And basically the entire opening was a subtweet of President Trump. Obviously, this meant that Barack and Michelle were on the publicity tour. And Barack Obama announced that his next chapter is fun. Aren't you excited? It's fun. And Michelle's next chapter is me, which I thought her last chapter was me and the one before that, and pretty much all the chapters. Actually. One word to describe your next chapter. One word.
- [34:04]
Michelle Obama
Fun.
- [34:05]
Whoopi Goldberg
Uh, me.
- [34:09]
Ben Shapiro
That's what you call drop the mic. Oh, me. Me. The next chapter. I feel like all the chapters were Michelle. Have you ever read her book? I mean, like, everything is about Michelle. The big thing, though, is that Barack Obama has been masquerading for his entire career as a man who cares about common American values. As I've said before, the disappointment of Barack Obama as a politician and a human being is that in 2008, he ran as the great unifier. And by 2012, he was running as the great disunifier. He was running as a man who divided Americans based on race, based on sexual orientation, based on political acumen. And then he would proclaim that only if you were good, true and decent and maybe victimized could you join in the project of America. Now he is back to I'm a unifier. Donald Trump is the divider. Listening to this unbelievably divisive politician. He was just subtle about it. He was good at it. President Trump is not a uniter. He obviously is quite divisive, but he also says all the quiet parts out loud. Barack Obama's entire shtick for years was that he would pretend that he was trying to unify while saying some of the most divisive stuff in American history. Here he was yesterday.
- [35:20]
Barack Obama
And they are not Republican or Democratic values. They're American values we can all share, regardless of party values. Every president here today, as different as we are, has tried our best to uphold values that John McCain and Mitt Romney believed in no less than I did. It is our greatest inheritance, the story of America at its best, because it reflects a basic faith in the decency of our fellow citizens, differences, and the possibility that despite all of our differences, we can see each other and understand one another.
- [36:04]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, this guy destroyed John McCain. And then he proceeded to destroy Mitt Romney as a human being. Listening to him talk about the values we hold in common with John McCain, he suggested that John McCain was just George W. Bush part three. He went after Mitt Romney and suggested his super PACs, said that. That Mitt Romney was a person who was getting people killed of cancer because of his terrible record in the capital markets. His campaign pushed out propaganda about Mitt Romney forcibly cutting the hair of gay kids when he was a teenager and strapping a dog to the top of his car. His vice president went out there proclaiming that Mitt Romney wanted to re enslave black people. Listening to Barack Obama talk about divisiveness and how he wants to stop it, it's like O.J. simpson's book, if I did it, you did it, dude. He continued along these lines, deep in
- [36:51]
Barack Obama
our gut, we want to find a way to turn towards each other again, not further away. I believe this because I've seen it all across our country, in cities that have worked together to reclaim their streets from crime, in rural communities that have rebuilt their economy, in businesses that are finding new ways to make housing affordable, in those ordinary people in the Twin Cities who brave frigid temperatures, risk their own safety standing shoulder to shoulder to look out for their neighbors and sometimes look out for strangers because they knew that was the right thing to do.
- [37:46]
Ben Shapiro
We want to be best friends with each other again. We're going to be best friend. Not you. Not you, Bob. Step back. Barack Obama is great unifier. It was always pathetic. And again, this is why Trump shattered. He really did sort of shatter the bizarre media consensus that everybody had to be friends. This is one of my points of great, great irritation with George W. Bush. There are a lot of things that I think have been, you know, directed at George W. Bush incorrectly. I think that many of the ways people talk about the war in Iraq are rather disgusting, actually. And what George W. Bush did during that war, with that said, these sort of were all in solidarity. The Bushes acting as though they were chummy with the Obamas while the Obamas divided the country. It was hard to stomach. And the fact that Donald Trump really didn't do that, I think it was sort of a breath of fresh air in that sense. Now, what is Barack Obama really seeking? He's seeking complexity around the American narrative. You know, complexity. By complexity, he means America kind of sucks, mostly. And if you slap an American flag on top of the America sucks message, then that's complexity.
- [38:52]
Michelle Obama
I think it's complicated. As I said, I think it's possible to celebrate the founders and appreciate what they did as well as look objectively and critically at how their values strayed very far from what they professed. I think it's impossible to say that there were populists in rural America and the south and. And white America that really did believe in equality and justice for white folks and helped to make progress in giving more people opportunity and not ignore the fact that that was to the exclusion of others. And that's the kind of complexity that I hope people get a little bit of a sense of
- [39:51]
Valerie Jarrett
now.
- [39:51]
Ben Shapiro
Again, American history is indeed complex, but the question is whether America is fundamentally good with complexity or fundamentally bad with complexity. And Barack Obama gives, shall we say, different messages on that matter all the time. All the time. But when he's doing his big, soaring speeches like he did at the opening of the Obama Presidential center, then it's all back to 2008 Obama, right? No red states, no blue states, just the United States, no more perfect union. And all of this now. If he had not spent years dividing Americans on the basis of race, if he had not spent years weakening America on foreign policy in dramatic ways, if he had not spent years pretending at moderation while acting as a radical, that would have helped a lot. It's just. It's pretty stomach churning to listen to a figure as divisive as Barack Obama was, pretending that he was actually some sort of great unifier then Michelle Obama, by the way, spoke and of course, use the opportunity to talk about immigration and such,
- [40:53]
Valerie Jarrett
the immigrants proving what it truly means to be a dreamer. These folks, these folks aren't Americans, too. They are America.
- [41:07]
Whoopi Goldberg
They.
- [41:08]
Valerie Jarrett
They are the beating heart of this country. They are us, and we are them. And to ignore the simple truth, to refuse to respect the contributions and experiences of people who aren't exactly like us, y', all, puts us all at risk. Failing to see the humanity in all people put, puts us all on a slippery slope. And once that slide starts, there's no telling where it stops.
- [41:42]
Ben Shapiro
I mean, I think that we have some rights to judge who's an American who's not like, by whether they're Americans or not. That seems like a pretty good way of doing it. But again, this is the game. Smear a bunch of radicalism in the language of moderation. Michelle's much worse at it than Barack. Barack is great at it. Michelle is pretty mediocre at it. But, you know, a good time was had by all. Kamala showed up to dance, which is everyone's worst nightmare. That's always. That's always irritating. No, don't dance, Kamala.
- [42:12]
J.D. Vance
Don't do it.
- [42:13]
Ben Shapiro
Don't do it. Not great, Bob. Meanwhile, Gavin Newsom talked about how he was. He was tearing up, man. Gavin Newsom tearing up. Meryl Streep of politics over here.
- [42:29]
Gavin Newsom
Contrast today. I mean, I walked up, a couple people said when they walked upstairs, they said they were crying the whole time. And I looked at them, I said, I'm good. Got up there, literally started tearing up. And I think everybody feels that spirit and that pride that we've been missing. And we didn't even realize how much we've been missing it. And we've been missing it because of the business. We've been missing it because we have people that pray they are unworthy of their positions. And there we saw on stage people that were worthy of what our founding fathers lived and died for.
- [43:03]
Ben Shapiro
Got to tear up. Got to tear up. Valerie Jarrett, by the way, she actually delivered. I mean, Again, look at this horrific building. My goodness. The land trawler from. From episode four. Valerie Jarrett delivered a land acknowledgment at the opening, which, again, if you're going to acknowledge it, you should just give it back, man.
- [43:25]
Whoopi Goldberg
We'd also like to take a moment to recognize the original inhabitants of the land upon which we are gathered. Today. We honor the Anishinaabe, the Council of Three Fires, the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and the Potawatomi nations.
- [43:42]
Ben Shapiro
Well, I mean, you could just give it back then. That's a thing you could do. And no Obama event would be complete without Joe Biden wandering around like a Roomba left alone on stage. I mean, he was doing this when he was president. The nice thing is we don't have to pretend that he's sentient anymore like it was. It was pretty wild that for a couple of years there, we had to pretend everything was going great for old Joe. Here's what it looked like. Yeah, I feel bad for him at this point, honestly. There he is, just standing there waving, and nobody knows what he's doing. Joe, why are you still there? Oh, no. Oh, no. If you ever want a reminder why Donald Trump was reelected, that would be the reminder. He's still there. He's still wandering. What's he doing? No one knows. But remember, while Barack Obama is out there talking about moderation and unity, the reality is that the Democratic Party he built is Zormandani's Democratic Party. The difference between Zormandani and Barack Obama is that Mandani says all of the quiet parts out loud. So he took advantage of a parade for the New York Knicks to talk about his radical policies. I assume that his radical policies will include the public seizure of the New York Knicks and the reduction of all of the New York Knicks salaries to the average minimum wage in New York. And we'll see how that works out for the Knicks. But here's Mamdani talking about. It's a moment for more. Again, Mamdani and Obama the same.
- [45:15]
Wesley Bell (DSA mayoral candidate)
Now, this is a moment of more, of asking for more, of expecting more, of delivering more. We won't answer to those who insist we settle for less any longer. Now, people often ask me what I think of the state of the Democratic Party. This slate here today is our answer. The Democratic Party must change. They tend to follow that question with another. Who do you want to run in 2028? Then they ask, when does the race for 2028 begin? It starts now. It starts on Tuesday. It Starts when we reject a politics that believes in polls more than principles.
- [46:22]
Ben Shapiro
Okay, but you still didn't answer the question, who you want to run in 2028? I mean, the answer, by the way, is AOC. That's what he wants. He quoted Antonio Gramsci like an actual open, honest to God Marxist. It's unbelievable. It really is. I mean, again, points to him for just saying all the quiet parts out loud of how terrifying and radical the Democratic Party has become.
- [46:45]
Wesley Bell (DSA mayoral candidate)
And we need that, because, as Gramsci once wrote, the old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters. These monsters take many forms today in those who fund television ads that blanket the airwaves with misleading and bad faith attacks about Claire, Brad and Dari. Those who would rather spend far more on political contributions than they would ever be made to pay in taxes in aipac. For whom the only thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its course force is an end to genocide and Netanyahu's wars. They move millions in dark money to accomplish a single goal, to preserve their power so that they can turn us against one another.
- [47:43]
Ben Shapiro
Great job, Democrats. You're doing great. Keep going with this. Keep going with this insane radicalism and see how it works out. By the way, one year ago at the mayoral candidate debate, he was asked his favorite Knicks player, other than Jalen Brunson, and he could not name one. He named the coach instead. He's a huge Knicks fan. That's why he's wearing that jersey. Meanwhile, again, the DSA is on the rise among Democrats in Washington, D.C. the DSA mayoral candidate, a person named Janice Lewis George, was asked what socialism means to her. And the answer is magic,
- [48:16]
Janice Lewis George
you know, because I think this moment calls for that level of moral clarity and courage. It calls for this level of ingenuity, and it calls for a leader who is focused on putting people first and delivering on the small things, right? Sewer socialism is talking about just making sure your 911 system works, your 311 works, your trash gets picked up, your snow gets plowed, those basic things that make a difference in everyone lives and delivering for residents in all eight wards in the city. But it also focuses on delivering those big things, right, like universal access to childcare, lowering utility costs for D.C. residents, and fighting against these data centers that are pulling on our grid and expanding community solar. So for me, it's really a moment where ingenuity is necessary and moral courage is necessary.
- [49:04]
Ben Shapiro
Solar panels and barring the data centers and picking up the trash that socialism to her. Okay. All right, all right. Onto the culture. So Tom Hanks was pretty funny. He was talking on Ms. Now. And. And he just dropped the bomb that no one watches Ms. Now, which is true.
- [49:26]
Donald Trump
Thank you.
- [49:26]
Ben Shapiro
Come on. Doris Kern's Goodwins is here. It's great to see you. What can I do for the 800 people? Jacob Sobrov.
- [49:31]
Gavin Newsom
Oh, we're live on.
- [49:34]
Ben Shapiro
Add a zero to it if you need to.
- [49:35]
Gavin Newsom
I would say millions now that you're on our.
- [49:37]
Ben Shapiro
All right, all right. Tom Hanks showed up at the Obama at the Obama Presidential center opening. And, you know, at least he's dropping bombs on Ms. Now. At least that's fun. That's enjoyable. Whoopi Goldberg, in the media, she says that there was a debate over whether Knicks players should go to the White House. She said she wants Knicks players to go to the White House because they're black. I mean, shouldn't they just go because they, you know, won the championship or like, only black players go? I don't even understand the point of what she is saying right now,
- [50:11]
Whoopi Goldberg
but I think there's a reason why every single. The previous five NBA champions crowned during the Trump administration refused to go. I think there's a reason for it, and that's because he politicizes the events that come before him. That's one of the problems. I don't think you can separate. Separate Trump from the White House, even though we would like to, because it is the people to treat it like the people.
- [50:33]
Jose Alvarado
I want them to go.
- [50:34]
Whoopi Goldberg
Do you?
- [50:35]
Jose Alvarado
I want all those black men. To stand in our house and remind all of those people as we try to remind the vice president, the vice president that when you try to destroy one part of history, you are destroying all of our histories.
- [51:00]
Ben Shapiro
So I suppose that's going to be a no on Jose Alvarado, then. He doesn't get to go. He's Hispanic and. Well, in better sports news, I continue to enjoy the tour that is being had by these soccer fans from Germany. They're just walking around America and just enjoying it because America is really kind of awesome. We should have made this guy the America250 guy. He's awesome. He's like the official sponsor of America250, this Freddie Dud. So he went to NASA. He said, one week ago we were eating chilies in Chattanooga. Today, we're talking to the iss. This is the American dream. Thanks for letting three random World cup tourists from Germany live it for a few days. USA rocks. Yeah, it really does, doesn't it? It's kind of awesome also. So they actually, like, just talked to the iss, which is hilarious. And then in Houston, they were put up at a hotel suite, like the best hotel suite. And they were given all of these magical gifts because America is very generous. He said, this is also insane. We found this when we got back to our room. And then someone even said cupcakes to our room. I genuinely don't understand how it got to this point. We're just normal World cup tourists, which is hilarious and enjoyable. They got Houston Rockets tickets. They went to an Astros game. They really enjoyed themselves. And the suite they're in, by the way, is insane. So thanks for appreciating America. Yeah, it's great. And the people who don't appreciate it suck. Okay, now, one other kind of sport clip has gone viral over the course of the last week. That is a clip of Japanese fans cleaning up the stadium after. After a recent game. Here's what it looked like. So they bring their own. They bring their own trash bags,
- [52:43]
Jose Alvarado
players, supporters, and also for the stadium, we
- [52:48]
Valerie Jarrett
are kind of honored to be here.
- [52:50]
Jose Alvarado
So we don't want to make the mess and then leave it. So I think that's the reason why we're doing it.
- [52:58]
Ben Shapiro
I mean, that's nice. And I think that, frankly, that is something that we should all take a page from the Japanese from. It's also true, by the way, that if you go to Japan, people literally carry around trash bags with them. So if they generate trash, there are no public trash cans. You're supposed to carry around your trash until you can get back to a place where you dump it. So you're supposed to clean up after yourself everywhere. And Japan runs a little different. It's very, very interesting. Different cultures produce sort of different effect. Joining me on the line is Matt Nuclear, our newest Daily Wire personality, host of the Nuclear Reaction. It's Monday through Thursday, 7 to 9pm Eastern, where he debates tiktokers for that entire time. He brings people on, and they basically get to debate him on whatever they want. Mad, thanks so much for the time.
- [53:41]
Matt Nuclear
Thank you. Bam. I am honored to be here. Thank you.
- [53:44]
Ben Shapiro
So, I mean, first of all, congratulations on the show. It's awesome. It must also be pretty exhausting. I mean, debating people for two hours at a time pretty much every weeknight. That's a lot. How do you prep for this sort of stuff?
- [53:56]
Matt Nuclear
Well, I do constant research. I'm constantly reading books and constantly reading academic articles and trying to keep up with things on the media and just doing research, even on past and prior events, especially when we're talking about a lot of conflicts in terms of foreign policy, to make sure I'm up to date, that I'm very well read, so that I'm always prepared to debate these callers. And typically I'm more informed than they are because they're just calling in, you know, it depends obviously, whether or not they're like specifically going out for me. But yeah.
- [54:24]
Ben Shapiro
So what are some of the big trends that you're seeing when it comes to the people who are, who are calling in? Obviously people love the debate, they love the, the back and forth. But what, what topics are particularly hot right now? I assume the Middle east, but what, what else?
- [54:37]
Michelle Obama
Right.
- [54:37]
Matt Nuclear
The topics that are really hot that I see are like, things in reference to dei, things in reference to affirmative action. I'm black, obviously, and I have sort of like a right wing conservative take on this, similar to you, obviously, but you're not black. And so I give my perspective from that side of the aisle. And a lot of older people that from all walks of life come in and they're like, okay, why do you believe DEI is bad? Why do you believe affirmative action is bad? Why do you believe that socialism is bad? Why are you for a strong border? Why are you for free market policy? And so they come in and I give them my sort of perspective on it. And those are the topics that are pretty hot as well. But the main hot one that people really get thrilled for or excited about is the topic about Israel and the Middle East.
- [55:23]
Ben Shapiro
It is sort of fascinating how that's risen to the top of the charts over the course of the last couple of years. I have my own theories as to why that has happened, but it is sort of fascinating. This becomes such a litmus test for a lot of people in the online world. What do you find is the difficult issue for you to be? What's the hardest one that you have a tough time with?
- [55:43]
Matt Nuclear
I don't, I mean, I, I would say probably economics. It would probably be the more difficult one. Although, like, typically when I'm talking to the average caller, there's still really no big friction or issue there necessarily. Although typically I'm talking about social policy and foreign policy and, you know, some domestic issues here in America.
- [56:02]
Ben Shapiro
So, you know, obviously the TikTok mind tends to be short attention span. How long are each of these debates? How long are these calls lasting on your show?
- [56:10]
Matt Nuclear
Well, it depends, actually. Sometimes you get a caller that's coming in and he's really mad at you and he's screaming. He's like, how dare you believe this? And sometimes you get people that are calmer and you have maybe a 10 minute, sometimes if it's a really good conversation, a 20 minute conversation. And it's really exciting because you have the TikTok chat that's going crazy and they're spamming their emojis and they're like, yes, this is great, this is amazing. And you have the YouTube chat and the X chat and you know, on multiple different social medias, I'm basically streaming. And what's more, you know, interesting about it is that with TikTok, it's kind of rapid fire. People are scrolling through just like, you know, people nowadays, Gen Z especially is always doom scrolling. And they'll come across alive and they'll see the prompts above and they're like, let me get into this. Right. So it depends on really the caller, but yeah, average, I would say seven minutes maybe.
- [56:56]
Ben Shapiro
And when it comes to, you know, again, researching in real time, there are a lot of streamers who are doing sort of their research as things come up. Are you doing that as, as the calls go on, kind of looking up facts and, and finding the studies that bolster your opinion?
- [57:09]
Matt Nuclear
Absolutely. So sometimes someone will come up and they'll like make an outrageous claim that I either know is false or sometimes like, I may think that they may be right. And so I'll look it up and I'll like, I'm like showing this on screen. I'm like, okay, guys, let's go into Chrome, let's look this up and maybe I'll be proven false. And so we just do the research basically together and I show everyone in the audience real time. Actually last night we did the same thing. Although a caller basically made the claim that many Israeli soldiers were being exposed by the UN for raping Palestinians or whatever. And the article that he brought up actually said the exact opposite. The article that he brought up actually said that on October 7, the UN Special Representative, in reference to sexual violence, actually said that Israeli hostages were actually, you know, facing sexual violence and be subjected to by Hamas. And so in real time, he actually admitted, hey man, I was wrong. You know, I appreciate you educating me on this, but everyone got to see that in real time. So, yeah, I do indeed pop these things up. Even if I know it, I want to show everyone on screen and I want to source it so people can inform themselves as well.
- [58:15]
Ben Shapiro
And how often do you think that that's happening? And when you're, when you're talking to people, how often does somebody actually sort of admit that they got it wrong? How often are you able to convince someone and how do you think the audience is sort of viewing these, Deb.
- [58:28]
Matt Nuclear
So people like to keep their pride. And so a lot of people don't admit they're wrong, although they are indeed wrong. So they like to sort of stay consistent to the false view or the false opinion. But the audience, I think, really gets a good grasp at it. I do convince a lot of people. I've had people come up that I've called in angry before and they were like, how dare you believe these things? But the more they actually listen to me, and I'm like, I don't know why you're listening to me if you hate me this much. But the more they listen to me, you know, they actually start changing their views. And I had this one guy call in later on after, you know, he used to call in debating me, and he was like, dude, you've actually changed my mind. Like, watching more of these debates, watching these people that are trying to debate you, that are not able to actually prove you wrong on any of the facts, but are really operating from emotionalism right now, only operating from buzzwords and phrases they've heard online, has actually swayed me, right, to sort of align with your position. And so I've had plenty of people actually tell me that they've been convinced because a lot of people just haven't actually heard the opposite side just really debate this in real time and really articulate their position. And not like a strawman position, but the actual rational, honest position.
- [59:43]
Ben Shapiro
So obviously you're a super young guy, you're 19. The people who are your age, where are they getting this kind of bad information? I mean, when I was your age, I know where. Where people were, you know, MSNBC or they were reading the New York Times. But where are you traditionally finding that people who you're ending up in a debate with are. Are getting their information?
- [60:00]
Matt Nuclear
That's a really great, great question, Ben. I am currently 19 years old. I'm Gen Z. And a lot of people that are Gen Z, like me, the way that they consume their information is not actually by reading academic articles. Sometimes if they are looking something up, they will read the headline of the article and they don't understand how, like, yellow journalism works or how, you know, publishers will try to get the most enticing, interesting headline because the details are actually very, very important. And so I would say most young people are consuming information through TikTok and through just scrolling. And so they will see certain, you know, random things being posted by Al Jazeera, random things being posted by cnn. And it's just like they're quickly scrolling. They're seeing maybe a BO happening somewhere and they don't really know the context or the history or any of the things that go behind any of those different factors. And they're just consuming information from that purely. So it's just headlines, it's just TikTok scrolling. But it's very rare that I see a lot of other people my age unfortunately, actually read some books about certain topics and conflicts that they are so passionate about, especially the people that are doing the encampments at Ivy League universities. And so that's sort of the issue is that people are sort of very quickly consuming information by just doom scrolling instead of actually getting engaged with the actual content.
- [61:23]
Ben Shapiro
Well, folks, that's Matt Nuclear. You can check him out debating pretty much every weeknight, Monday through Thursday, 7 to 9pm Eastern. It is fantastic. Go check it out. The nuclear reaction. You can check out Matt's work. Thanks so much for the time, Matt.
- [61:35]
Matt Nuclear
Thank you, Ben.
- [61:37]
Ben Shapiro
Alrighty folks, the show continues for our members right now. We'll answer some of your questions coming right up. First, in order to watch, you have to be a member. If you're not a member, become a member, use code Shapiro at checkout and get two months free on all annual plans.