Ep. 2471 - MASK OFF: Commie Carlson

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Ben Shapiro Show – Ep. 2471 "MASK OFF: Commie Carlson"

Date: July 24, 2026
Host: Ben Shapiro | Produced by The Daily Wire

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ben Shapiro delivers a pointed critique of Tucker Carlson’s political transformation, arguing that Carlson is no longer a true conservative but has instead adopted left-wing, class-war rhetoric indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders. Shapiro dissects a recent Carlson interview, accuses him of dishonest populism, and draws sharp contrasts between mainstream conservatism and this emergent trend on the right. The episode also covers allegations by Candace Owens, anti-Semitic violence in New York, debates over AI/data centers, and critiques of DSA/socialist activists.

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Timestamps & Major Segments

| Segment | Start Time | |---------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Tucker Carlson's "mask off" moment | 00:00 | | Tucker’s class-war rhetoric vs. Bernie Sanders | 02:05 | | Analysis of Carlson’s history of collectivist rhetoric | 05:22 | | Carlson’s accusations against Shapiro (on Israel, Trump)| 06:52 | | Tucker's foreign policy & conspiracy allegations | 13:25 | | Candace Owens' conspiracy about Ben Shapiro | 27:15 | | NYC anti-Semitic stabbings & intersectional politics | 34:10 | | AI & Data Centers: Debates on innovation | 41:14 | | Socialism, the DSA, and the white progressive problem | 52:12 | | John Leguizamo’s left-wing commentary | 56:05 |

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tucker Carlson’s Ideological Shift

• Shapiro opens by declaring that Carlson is no longer conservative, comparing him to Bernie Sanders:
  • "Age him up about 10 years, give him a Brooklyn accent, and he's basically Bernie Sanders." (01:00)
• Plays a recent Tucker Carlson interview (with Stephen A. Smith), emphasizing Carlson’s:
  • Claims of a rigged economic system
  • Accusations against the billionaire class and distraction politics
  • Implying America is in a "class war" akin to leftist conspiracism
  • Tucker Carlson (Clip):

    "We don't really produce anything. We just lend money at high interest, sell real estate again and again. Those people are getting richer...And in a normal country, you just, like, have a revolution..." (02:05)

2. Comparison with Bernie Sanders

• Shapiro juxtaposes Sanders and Carlson, noting their language is almost identical when discussing class struggle:
  • Bernie Sanders:

    "The worst fear that the ruling class in this country has is that Americans, black, white, Latino...will come together..." (03:28)

  • Shapiro:

    "Tucker and Bernie are indistinguishable. If you just switch the inflections, they sound the same." (04:30)

3. Carlson’s Economic Populism

• Claims Carlson argues for "feudalism" over capitalism via supporting strongman rulers invested in "the land," which Shapiro mocks as anti-capitalist:
  • Unknown Conservative:

    “Feudalism is so much better than what we have now because at least in feudalism, the leader is vested in the prosperity of the people he rules.” (05:06)

  • Shapiro calls this long-standing from Carlson, referencing his Fox News days:

    "He was doing the capitalism robs us of our souls routine." (05:22)

4. Foreign Policy and Conspiracy Theories

• Shapiro reads from a Carlson "vomit post" (tweet) alleging US politicians are sacrificing Americans for Israel and that Shapiro controls Trump.
  • Shapiro ridicules the idea, mocks the conspiratorial tone, and refutes claims with facts about Israeli actions, Smotrich’s service, etc. (06:52–13:25)
  • Mock-commands Trump to do various pro-conservative policies to satirize the “Shapiro controls Trump” claim. (16:00)

5. Carlson’s Foreign Alignments

• Exposes Carlson’s sympathetic stances toward Russia, Iran, and Hamas, arguing they contradict "America First" principles:
  • Tucker Carlson:

    “Putin...has been the most effective leader in my lifetime. ...Why is Putin my enemy? He's never done anything to me.” (13:57)

  • On Iran:

    "Wish it didn't fall to Iran...but it has and they are doing more about this..." (14:31)

  • Shapiro:

    “According to Tucker Carlson, Iran is defending Christians in Lebanon.” (14:46)

6. Candace Owens' Accusations

• Owens claims Shapiro’s alibi around the time of Charlie Kirk’s murder is suspicious, offering a $10,000 reward for information.
  • Candace Owens:

    “Ben was allegedly with Gary Javich and an as of yet unidentified woman when Charlie Kirk was shot...” (27:24)

  • Shapiro laughs it off, ridiculing Owens’ conspiracies and offering to donate $10,000 to Kirk's kids for every wrong guess Owens makes.

    “This is where we are in life now. ...I can't believe how stupid my life has become.” (29:20)

7. Anti-Semitism and the Left’s Double Standards

• Discusses a recent stabbing in NYC of a Jewish man, questioning the lack of media attention and societal concern on rising anti-Semitism.
  • Quotes stats showing Jews are disproportionately victims of hate crimes.
  • Contrasts the response to crimes against Jews with left-wing protest over police-involved shootings, e.g., Francesca Hong protests in Wisconsin.
    • Francesca Hong:

      “…a man die at the hands of state sanctioned violence. Murder.” (38:16)

  • Shapiro:

    “Remember, according to the left Jew gets stabbed...not a big deal. Person attacks cops, gets shot...huge deal.” (39:16)

8. Debate over AI, Data Centers, and Innovation

• Applauds the White House for the "Ratepayer Protection Pledge" requiring AI/data center firms to pay their own energy bills.
  • Quotes Elon Musk on AI’s coming abundance:

    "The most likely outcome is an age of amazing abundance where anyone can have anything they can think of." (45:04)

  • Mocks AOC’s claims that data centers and their supposed “radiation” or “ash” are harming black and brown communities.

    “Does she have a single bit of evidence that data centers are making people sick?” (47:28)

  • Uses statistics to show land use for data centers is trivial.

9. Redistributive & Socialist Agitation (DSA, AOC, Leguizamo)

• Mocks AOC’s defense of universal healthcare as socialism.
  • AOC:

    “Healthcare as a right isn't crazy. It isn't pie in the sky.” (52:24)

• Plays clips and ridicules DSA activists for being an overwhelmingly white, educated, but economically struggling movement.
  • Charlie Kirk:

    "a bunch of over educated little white turds who think they know more than other people know..." (53:30)

• Highlights even DSA leaders complain about its "white-centered" practices. (54:29)
• Criticizes actors like John Leguizamo for political posturing, self-identifying as a "democrat socialist":
  • John Leguizamo:

    “Socialist programs are important, …I’m a democrat socialist.” (56:48)
    “If you follow ICE, unfollow me [and] don’t watch my movies.” (58:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben Shapiro:

  “Tucker and Bernie are indistinguishable. If you just switch the inflections, they sound the same.” (04:30)
  “Man, wait until my wife hears about the level of total control I exert on this planet.” (17:30)

• Tucker Carlson:

  “In a normal country, you just, like, have a revolution.” (02:21)
  “Feudalism is so much better than what we have now...” (05:06)

• Bernie Sanders:

  “The oligarch’s nightmare is that we will not allow ourselves to be divided up by race, religion, sexual orientation, or country of origin, and will together have the courage to take them on.” (03:28)

• Candace Owens:

  “Ben was allegedly with Gary Javich and an as of yet unidentified woman when Charlie Kirk was shot.” (27:24)

• Elon Musk:

  “AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in around five years…The most likely outcome is an age of amazing abundance where anyone can have anything they can think of.” (44:39, 45:04)

• Charlie Kirk:

  “These people… are a bunch of over educated little white turds who think they know more than other people know…” (53:30)

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Tone and Style

• Energetic, fast-paced, pointed and sarcastic: Shapiro oscillates between biting satire and direct refutation, especially in reading and mocking Tucker's rhetoric and Candace Owens' conspiracy theory.
• Blend of serious policy critique and lampooning: Highlights policy differences while keeping a humorous, incredulous edge toward perceived excesses or absurdities (on the left and right).
• Pop-culture references and recurring self-deprecating humor: Especially when discussing speculation about his personal life.

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Conclusion

Ben Shapiro’s July 24, 2026 episode centers on the ideological battle within American conservatism, illustrated by Tucker Carlson’s dramatic shift toward left-wing economic populism and class-war rhetoric. Shapiro asserts that right-populist figures like Carlson are indistinguishable from progressive icons like Sanders, blurring the lines in contemporary politics. He further examines intra-right feuds (Candace Owens’ speculation), rising anti-Semitism, and views on economic innovation vs. redistribution, reinforcing his brand of fact- and logic-driven conservative analysis—with plenty of barbed humor.

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Transcript

[Ben Shapiro]

Folks, I've been saying for a long time, Tucker Carlson is not conservative. He is not conservative. Now, many people didn't believe me. I get it. The Tucker Carlson from Fox News. The guy who says he hates illegal immigration. The one who campaigned with President Trump. Yeah, that guy. Well, yesterday, Tucker Carlson laid bare his true beliefs. The mask is pretty much totally off at this point. He no longer even really pretends to be conservative. Tucker Carlson believes that the American system of economics is rigged by conspiratorial powers, that we're in the middle of a class war and. And that you are being distracted by all those unimportant issues, you know, like trans or blm. You know, just the way all the Democratic socialists say. Now, why is this important? Because we are still in a battle for the soul of the conservative movement. And Tucker is still in the ear of many people in the White House. Listen, too many people remember the Tucker from Fox News or maybe the Tucker from CNN or maybe the Tucker from msnbc. They think, hey, that guy seemed like a conservative and this guy looks physically like that guy. But. But here is the thing. Tucker Carlson is not conservative. He just isn't. Now, you can listen to Tucker all you want. I get it. He's entertaining and he's bizarrely fascinating. And he does an amazing job of pretending he has access to all the conspiratorial secrets of the universe. Also, he sells nicotine pouches made in India. But here's the thing. Age him up about 10 years, give him a Brooklyn accent, and he's basically Bernie Sanders. I have the video to prove it. I'll explain in just one moment. Plus, we'll get to Candace Owens apparently getting scammed for 10 grand Jews getting stabbed in Zor Mandani's New York, and Elon Musk taking on the European media. All that and more on today's Ben Shapiro show. Okay, so yesterday, Tucker Carlson did an interview with Stephen A. Smith. Pretty interesting from a wide variety of perspectives. Tucker talked about how he had basically given up on Trump over Ron, which we knew since he called him the Antichrist, and how the country is being run by a secret cabal. You know, all the usual Tucker stuff. But there is something he said that is making some waves because the mask is off. And it shows who Tucker truly is. A left wing conspiracy theorist. Basically, Bernie Sanders. All right, enough of the buildup. Here's the clip.

[Tucker Carlson]

The true crisis in the country, which has nothing to do with race and has to do with economics, and the people benefiting from the private equity Scams and the crypto scams and all the other scams underway in the American economy. We don't really produce anything. We just lend money at high interest, sell real estate again and again. Those people are getting richer than everyone else. The billionaire class. And they don't want to deal with questions about how exactly this works. Why are they paying half the taxes that you're paying as a wage earner? Like, I don't really get that. And they don't want to have to defend it. So instead they're like, the real problem is race, right? And so in a normal country, you just, like, have a revolution. People like, I'm not putting up with this. But in our country, because our every conversation is controlled by the media filter, we don't even know what's happening. And so people are like, well, my life sucks. It must be the whites. Or some whites are like, it must be the blacks or whatever. It's like, this is racial foment. This is racial conflict, which is created by the people who are taking all the money.

[Ben Shapiro]

Okay? Tucker is just a Marxist. It's not a slur. It's a genuine description of his worldview. He believes in class conflict. He believes that all the outcomes are rigged by the rigged system. He believes that they, wink, wink, are rigging the system by getting you all hot and bothered about trans and Black Lives Matter racial divisions that you'll be distracted from the gigantic sucking sound from the rich people who are screwing you. I mean, who does that sound like? I'm having a. Who does it?

[Bernie Sanders]

The worst fear that the ruling class in this country has is that Americans, black, white, Latino, urban, urban and rural, gay and straight, young and old, that all of us will come together to demand a government that represents all of the people in our country, not just the wealthy few. The oligarch's nightmare is that we will not allow ourselves to be divided up by race, religion, sexual orientation, or country of origin, and will together have the courage to. To take them on. Will this struggle be easy? Absolutely not. And one of the reasons for that is that the ruling class of this country will constantly remind you that they have all the power. They control the government. They own the media. You want to take us on? Good luck. They will say, there is nothing you can do about it.

[Ben Shapiro]

Hey, Tucker and Bernie are indistinguishable. If you just switch the inflections, they sound the same. Now, Tucker does this routine all the time. Or when he's called on this stuff, he says, me, a socialist. No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Ben Shapiro]

But I'm just wondering, do people who generally like the free market argue in favor of feudalism?

[Unknown Conservative Commentator]

Again, this is the classic principle of actually how you get a king, right? Because they're generally generationally invested in the well being of the land they're ruling, the people they're ruling and they have the power to control the outcomes there. So if, if you actually care about that, if you're actually going to benefit, why not invest your control in actually producing a better population?

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

I completely agree. I mean, feudalism is so much better than what we have now because at least in feudalism, the leader is vested in the prosperity of the people he rules.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

Right.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

You know, if all your serfs die, you starve.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator]

Yeah, there's a, there's a true incentive to care for those people.

[Ben Shapiro]

I'm not saying that I just like capital. I love, as an American, I love capitalism. Even I, I hate capitalism, but I also, but I love it because I don't want to be called a socialist, but I really, really hate it. I mean, really deep down. Okay, here he was in 2019. I mean, again, this goes back a way. People are just picking up on the Tucker of it now. Some of us were picking up on the Tucker of this some years ago, back in 2019 when he was still on Fox News. He was doing the capitalism robs us of our souls routine.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

But first, Republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is, is not a religion. Market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or a toaster. You'd have to be a fool to worship it. Our system was created by human beings for the benefit of human beings. We do not exist to serve markets. Just the opposite. Any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society.

[Ben Shapiro]

By the way, no one has argued that we ought to worship the free markets. The free markets are a description of a private property system in which you have rights. Tucker has been talking about collectivization for quite a while. The only thing really that distinguishes Tucker Carlson from Bernie Sanders at this point is that he doesn't like the trans. And in his own words, all that stuff is just a distraction anyway. And of course, on foreign policy, Tucker is utterly indistinguishable from Zormandani, let alone Bernie Sanders. Again, Tucker has direct access to the White House right now. It's important that if we're going to debate policy out in the open, then actual facts and logic should be deployed here. Because shouting at the sky in deranged Twitter posts that are longer than War and Peace. That probably isn't it. Now, Tucker put out a bizarre tweet yesterday that legitimately is novel. Ma', am, this is a Taco Bell. And you tell me if this sounds like a guy who should be guiding the future of the Republican Party or American foreign policy. So here is what he wrote. We're gonna have to break this down because it's really, really, really long. I'm just warning you, it's long because something has gone wrong here. So Tucker Carlson writes this quote. Obviously, this little freak. He's talking about me. Obviously, this little freak could go volunteer to fight the war himself, but of course he won't. He's got no interest in making any kind of personal sacrifice. Now, listen, I'm not gonna get down in the mud with Tucker by slinging names at him or maligning his physical appearance. Okay? That wouldn't be that tough, but I'm not going to do it. I'm just going to point out the logical fallacies of this rather effeminate and emotive vomit post. So Tucker Carlson is in favor of ICE deporting more people. As am I. He could join ICE at any moment. I mean, he could. Why doesn't he? Well, because he doesn't want to. He's very comfortable in his main hideaway or his Florida mansion or maybe that prospective house in Qatar that he was bragging about recently. Why won't he join ice? He could go volunteer to fight that war himself, but of course he won't. He's got no interest in making that kind of personal sacrifice. See the silliness of the argument? Okay, Tucker continues. None of them do. Them. Who does he mean by them? We'll see in just a moment. Israel's finance minister bragged the other day that having American soldiers fight Netanyahu's war is the best for us. Smotrich doesn't want to die for Israel. Neither does Ben Shapiro. Dying for Israel is your job, says Tucker Carlson. So a lot of lies here from Tucker. And again, trying to disentangle all of the lies in this bewildering array of silliness. It's going to take a moment, so we have to untangle it. Let's start with this. Batallis Motric said that Israel had no interest in pushing itself into an operation in Iran in which the United States had said it did not want Israel involved. Israel, you will remember, was fighting alongside the United States for the entirety of the war until the United States told Israel to stop, which is when Israel Stopped. As far as his contention that Smotrich doesn't want to die for Israel. Smotrich served in the idf. His oldest son is in the idf. His oldest son was wounded by shrapnel in the IDF in Lebanon. What's more, nobody is asking you to die for Israel. No one is asking anyone to die for Israel. Trump isn't. He doesn't want Americans to die for America, let alone for Israel. First of all, saying that you want the military to take on America's enemies is not asking Americans to die any more than saying that you want the police to crack down on, say, inner city crime is saying you want Americans to die for your own safety. Public policy is public policy. Second, Trump isn't fighting this war for Israel. He has said this a thousand times. Tucker is a conspiracy theorist who believes that Trump has been taken in by the nefarious Jewish powers that be. But Trump, you may have noticed, is a rather independent human. He's done a bunch of stuff during this war that I don't like, but wait for it. Wait for it. Tucker is going to claim that Trump is actually a cat's paw for, of all the humans, me personally. You see, according to Tucker, Trump works for me personally. Like Ben Shapiro, he works for me. I know, I know. So here's what he says. You've got to wonder how people like this. Again, he's talking about me. Liars without honor, wisdom, or loyalty to the United States wound up in positions of such profound influence throughout our society. Ah, it's a suspicious thing. Okay, that's a lot of words. And I do wonder at this point whether Tucker genuinely owns a mirror. He should look in one. If you're talking about people who lie for a living. Tucker lies like he breathes. You may remember that time that Tucker literally lied directly to the New York Times. They confronted him about calling President Trump the Antichrist. And Tucker just lied because, again, the man lies for a living.

[Interviewer]

But I ask because, you know, you've been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

I have not said that.

[Interviewer]

On your show. The day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand on the Bible during his swearing ceremony as president, you said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book. And then on a recent show, you went further, saying, here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

I actually did not say, could this be the Antichrist? Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows? I don't know where that comes from, but I know that those words never left my lips because I'm not sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is. If there's just one. I actually tried to understand it. I may have said, some are asking that. I'm not weighing in on that because I don't understand it.

[Ben Shapiro]

I don't understand it. I just. I talk. Could he be the anti. I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Maybe.

[Bernie Sanders]

No.

[Ben Shapiro]

These are all questions that just have. Does Tucker have a lot of honor?

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Ben Shapiro]

He says that I have no honor. Does he have a lot of honor? I don't know. I don't consider it the most honorable thing to laugh at conspiracy theories. Maligning the wife of my supposed friend Charlie Kirk

[Unknown Narrator/Commentator]

takes the gun apart, leaves the screwdriver there, puts it under a towel. Spider mans his way off the top of a building, runs across campus with the gun apparently under towel. Nobody sees this. He runs into the woods, puts the gun back together again without the screwdriver. He's a regular MacGyver, this guy. And then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by Palantir. And if you think anything else besides that, you're a crazy Jew hating conspiracy nut.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Ben Shapiro]

Is Tucker Carlson wise? I don't know. That's not the first word that might come to mind for me. I'm not sure it's all that wise to say attribute scratches on your back while you are in bed with multiple dogs to mysterious demons.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

I had a direct experience with it.

[Ben Shapiro]

In the milieu of journalism or just.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Nope. In my bed at night and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled. Physically mauled in a spiritual attack by a demon. Yeah, by a demon or by something unseen. That left.

[Unknown Audience Member]

Is that right?

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Claw marks on my sides. On my.

[Ben Shapiro]

So it left physical marks.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Oh, they're still there.

[Bernie Sanders]

Yeah.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Yeah. A year and a half ago.

[Ben Shapiro]

So much wisdom. As for loyalty, aside from, you know, giving credibility to the worst enemies of Charlie Kirk, like Nick Fuentes. I'm not sure it's the most loyal thing to America to travel to Russia to wax poetic about the tyrannical regime or to host guests who talk about why we need to cede power to China or to label Hamas a political group or to talk about the magic of Iranian leadership on behalf of the entire Middle East. I don't know. None of that seems super. America first loyal to me. I don't know. I mean,

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Putin, who's been there for 25 years, his country's improved. The people are happier. They like him. Actually, Putin has been the most effective leader in my lifetime. No one asked me whether Putin's our enemy. Why is Putin my enemy? He's never done anything to me. He's never called me a racist.

[Ben Shapiro]

And on Iran and the rest of

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

the world is watching this in horror, and no one's doing anything about it. The United States is abetting it. The United States is helping it happen, despite what they tell you. Those are American weapons and weapon systems being used to murder Christians in Lebanon. Who is doing something about it?

[Unknown Commentator]

Iran.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Hate to say that. Wish that weren't true. Wish it didn't fall to Iran to do something about this. But it has and they are, and they're doing more about this than any other country, including ours, including any of the Gulf states. Sorry.

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes. According to Tucker Carlson, Iran is defending Christians in Lebanon. Also on Hamas, you know, an actual terrorist group, but he doesn't think it is.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

You can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is, you know, group of jihadis. They're Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly, which I don't, I don't know if that's true, by the way. It seems more like a political organization. But whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're Al Qaeda.

[Ben Shapiro]

Ok. Or, or, you know, here's Tucker, America first, Tucker, talking about the magic of Sharia law, making for clean cities.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

There's not a single Western city that's thriving. And they're all degrading in exactly the same way. But you go to a country like Japan or the Emirates or Qatar or Saudi Arabia, and you see that when people are self confident, when they're really pleased with what they're doing and they believe that their system is the right system, that self confidence results in a kind of welcoming attitude. So you'll be sitting at dinner in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and you'll say, you know, I just, I'm really kind of pro Jesus. Like, I'm a Christian. They'll be like, oh, that's so great.

[Ben Shapiro]

And they don't have the same.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

Well, they mean it.

[Ben Shapiro]

And they don't have the same belief. They're Muslims. They're Muslims.

[Unknown Conservative Commentator 2]

It's a country governed by Sharia law, right? I mean, and they're like, that's great.

[Ben Shapiro]

It's true. In Islamist countries all over the world. They love Christianity. That's what Sharia law is all about. Well, folks, you might be getting the impression that I'm mildly annoyed by Tucker Carlson's foolishness. And it is annoying. It is annoying, but it's not quite as annoying as the fact that the average human needs something like 10 servings of fruits and veggies a day to actually cover their nutritional bases. 10. See, I have five kids and a business and a podcast. I do not have time to become a farmer. I'm very skeptical of the biohackers and validity of hyped up healthy products. This is where the just take the powder stuff. That's where the science ends and the marketing begins. But here's the thing. If you do it in a simple and cohesive way, it makes sense. Which is why I'm a big fan of Balance of Nature. Balance of Nature, it's actually just fruits and veggies. Whole food, dehydrated, put into a capsule. Right here you have it, the fiber and spice. Or for example, perhaps you have a tough time with the veggies, which is a big thing for me. Here are the veggies. Here are the fruits. It's very, very simple. I take the fruits and veggies capsules every morning before breakfast. The kids love those freeze dried snacks. Nobody in my house has to look a kale salad in the eye in months. Well, frankly, that's the real victory for everyone. If you, like me, would rather negotiate with a hostile Senate committee than eat a plate of steamed broccoli, go to balance of nature.com, use promo code SHAPIRO for an additional 10% off any subscription. Balance of Nature. Get your fruits and veggies in without ever having to pretend to like them. That's balanceofnature.com use promo code SHAPIRO for an additional 10% off your subscription. Okay, more from Tucker. Quote, how did Mark Levin get the President's cell phone number? Why is Admiral Brad Cooper, the man in charge of the Iran war, secretly taking strategic advice from crazed Israel shill Mark Dubowitz? It's also nuts and ultimately suicidal. Future generations will struggle to understand it. In the meantime, Trump will likely obey Ben Shapiro as he has consistently for months. So first of all, I gotta say, awesome. Apparently I have the incredible godlike power to control President Trump. So here's what President Trump should do. I'm going to snap my fingers and he's going to do it. End the Department of Education. Restructure Social Security and Medicare. Burn through the regulatory state. Negotiate bilateral free trade agreements to box in China. Use the DOJ to target foreign influence operations, including China, Russia, Iran, Qatar and Turkey. Man, there's so much that I would do, and because I just snapped my fingers, it happened, in fact, on Iran. Mr. President, let's order some sorties over Pickaxe Mountain, bomb South Pars and Kharg into oblivion. Unleash some special operations along with UAE and Israel to wipe out IRGC forces along the north shore of the Strait of Hormuz and use our navy to force open the strait without the permission of the Saudis. And then, just for good measure, let's kill Khalaba Fahidi and the new gay ayatollah and his peg leg. Let's do all those things. And I just said it. It happened. Let's also unleash the Israelis on Hezbollah in Lebanon, Unleash the Saudis on the Houthis, and. And also, by the way, unleash the Ukrainians on the Russians, and then we can all come home. And Papa Brusky, here's the thing. We all know that President Trump is rather independent. Sometimes he agrees with the things that I say and sometimes that he doesn't. But Tucker, saying that Trump obeys me is absurd on its face. But don't worry, there's more. I know this tweet was a Russian novel quote. We can predict the results because every neocon victory is identical. Huge numbers of innocent people killed disproportionately. Christians, economic destruction, famine, mass migration, and deepening authoritarianism at home. That's what they're demanding because that's what they want. They? Who's he talking about? The mysteries. The mysteries of the universe. Okay, so let's start again. Not a neocon. Neocon refers to two groups of people who have been conflated. First, the people who were Democrats in the 60s and were mugged by reality and then became Republicans. Right. Neocon, new conservative. That's what that meant. And then second, Wilsonian foreign policy people who wanted Iraq to become a functioning and thriving democracy. And same for Afghanistan. I don't fall into either of these two categories. I've been a conservative my entire life. I was never a lib. The record is absolutely clear. I have been writing a conservative column since I was 17 years old. It was syndicated nationally. I have not changed my views. Tucker, meanwhile, has gone through more positions than the Kama Sutra during that time. I'm also not Wilsonian. In my foreign policy, I opposed intervention in Libya, for example. I was skeptical of democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq. We actually got something of a democracy in Iraq. I was skeptical of involvement in Syria. Then there's the third meaning of neocon that people use and they just mean Jew. Okay, as per the usual arrangement, but let's continue. According to Tucker, my goal is, quote, huge numbers of innocent people killed disproportionately Christians. This is insane. It is the only word for it. I would like all Americans prefer the fewest number of innocent people killed in consonants. With the pursuit of American interests in the best of all possible worlds, that number would be zero. Sadly, our enemies know that we care about civilian life more than they do, so they tend to hide behind civilians. I am not willing to forego American interests because terrorists act like terrorists. As for this contention that I want Christians disproportionately Christian people to be killed. What the. Ever loving. What the. First off, Tucker should read a book. Like any book. Like One Fish, Two Fish, Redfish, Blue Fish. Here is a list of our wars since World War II. Our major conflicts. The Korean War. Hey. When Kim Il Sung took over, the heavily Christian north fled south to the area protected by America. We were protecting Christians and killing communists. The Vietnam War, same deal. There were lots of Christians in the north. They fled south when the commies took over and we were fighting the commies. Fast forward to the Iraq war. We were fighting and killing, not disproportionately Christians. We were fighting and killing disproportionately Iraqi Muslims. The second Iraq War, same deal. The Afghan war, we were fighting and killing Afghan radical Muslims. The current Iran war, we are fighting and killing Persian radical Muslims. All of those people, by the way, routinely attacked and killed Christians. In fact, now that I come to think of it, if I really think about it for more than like half a second, there are in fact some conflicts on planet Earth where Christians are being disproportionately targeted. Tucker's been either silent on those or in favor of them. In Nigeria, Christians are being massacred, and Tucker's saying pretty much nothing about that. He's saying nothing about the Christians in Lebanon targeted by Hezbollah, which is why Lebanon went from a thriving Christian country to a Muslim dominated, Hezbollah dominated country in Ukraine. Tucker has been on the side of Russia, you know, the country that launched the war, the war in which hundreds of thousands of Christians have been killed. Tucker has spent the entire war performing unspeakable acts on Vladimir Putin. So of course it's incoherent ugly nonsense from Tucker, par for the course. He also says I want economic destruction as he stumps for more global power for Russia and China and praises again, feudalism. He also adds for good measure that I want famine and mass migration and authoritarianism here at home. So just to point out, Russia's war has wiped out Ukrainian grain production. Russia's in favor of Russia. Tucker's in favor of Russia. As far as mass migration, I'm against it. I have always been against it. I'm in favor of Trump's immigration policy while Tucker continues to stand for Muslim terrorist supporters to be kept here on green cards. And as for authoritarianism, I'm in favor of slicing and dicing the federal government down to the size of a thimble. Tucker has been in favor of a wide variety of expansions of the federal government, you know, to cure the evils of capitalism. But there's more. I know it's a never ending tweet quote. What can we do to stop it? Apparently not much, but we can remember what happened and why so that history records the truth. Otherwise, when the war ends in disaster, as it inevitably will, Ben Shapiro will be able to blame you for it. So, of course, in the end, Tucker's recipe is despair. There's nothing you can do because I have total control. Man, wait until my wife hears about the level of total control I exert on this planet. Maybe I won't have to take out the garbage anymore at 11pm but in the end, here is what Tucker actually wants. What he actually wants. He wants for the United States to lose. And he is angry at President Trump because President Trump is refusing to lose. If, in fact President Trump takes Tucker's advice, which could happen, or if Trump's top negotiator in the MoU does and he talks to Tucker regularly, we will be worse off and we'll evaluate then. But no one on earth will be sadder if we open the Strait of Hormuz and end the Iranian threat than one Tucker Carlson. Because again, he's just Bernie Sanders with more hair and a flannel shirt and a nicotine addiction. Alrighty. Coming up, Candace Owens. I mean, she cray, but she also has some specious theories about who I lunch with. I know this is my life now, having to explain with whom I did not have lunch in September of 2025. That's a thing. You know, running your life is hard enough without having to try to recall with whom you lunched in September 2025. And running a business is hard enough without having to become an insurance expert on the side. But that's exactly what happens to a lot of business owners. You sign a policy, suddenly you're supposed to know what's covered when you sign your insurance policy. For some brokers, that's the finish line. Handshake, commission, and done. And then you never hear from them again until it's time for renewal. But your business runs all year long. So do the gaps and the risk that comes with it. This is why I'm telling you about Super Sure. 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I'm getting very concerned about waste and fraud and abuse in this country. Very, very concerned. I'm particularly concerned about Candace Owens, who it appears was scammed out of $10,000. So for those who missed it, Candace Owens has a newfound theory. Everyone was involved in Charlie Crook's murder, except for Charlie Crook's actual murder. And lately she's been trying to wrap me into that. Twas I. Twas I. Apparently it was me, because again, my phenomenal godlike powers not only extend to American foreign policy, but also to the murder of Charlie Kirk, according to Candace Owens. Hey. So she has a theory. The theory is I met with someone very nefarious for lunch the day that Charlie died. She says this because I said on the podcast, talking about Charlie's death, that I was at lunch or breakfast is actually, I believe, a late breakfast. When I found out that Charlie had been shot, it was a late breakfast. Guy's on the west coast. And. And so she has put out a $10,000 bounty, I kid you not, for someone who can tell her with whom I was breakfasting or lunching. Well, yesterday she revealed with whom I was lunching or apparently she thought she did. Here's what she had to say. I can't believe this is our world. I can't believe this is the universe that we now inhabit. That we have to analyze the musings of a person who obviously is unhinged. Actually, many people who are obviously unhinged. This is what we have been reduced to here in the United States of America in the year 2026. Here's Candace Owens.

[Candace Owens]

But the person that Ben was with has allegedly told various other people that he was with Ben when Charlie Kirk was shot. Now, we were not able to confirm that they were at breakfast or lunch. Only what came to us was that they were together. And that person is a man named Gary Javich. Ben was allegedly with Gary Javich and an as of yet unidentified woman when Charlie Kirk was shot. Now, we have a strong guess as to who that woman could be, but we'd rather not venture a guess unnecessarily. So Gary Javage is not a person that you have likely ever heard of unless you are Jewish and involved in the community. But he is certainly very well known, actually very powerful. And we weighed his identification. This identification as likely determined. It was probably likely, given the reason that Ben was in Los Angeles on that September day.

[Ben Shapiro]

Who?

[Charlie Kirk]

What?

[Ben Shapiro]

Who's the lady? What?

[Charlie Kirk]

What?

[Unknown Narrator/Commentator]

Now?

[Ben Shapiro]

So if. If this was Gary Javich.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who?

[Ben Shapiro]

Javits Javich.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

Who.

[Ben Shapiro]

What if. If it was Gary Javish who called us in to pick up a $10,000 reward from Candace Owens, then. Candace, I'm sorry to inform you, you have been scammed. In fact, every time Candace issues a guess as to who I was lunching with and is wrong, I'm going to donate ten grand toward the education of Charlie Kirk's children. So now I owe a go. Send me ten grand. I have a feeling by the end of this, she's going to impoverish me. Gary J. Okay, so I don't know who that is, like, at all. I meet a lot of people. A lot, a lot of people. I can guarantee you that Gary Javich.

[Unknown Narrator/Commentator]

Sis.

[Ben Shapiro]

Is not the person I'm gonna play a guessing game with. Candace now, because this is so stupid. I can't believe how stupid my life has become.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

Now.

[Ben Shapiro]

This is. This is where we are. This loon bag is going around speculating that randos are people that I had breakfast with on the day that Charlie was shot.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

This is.

[Ben Shapiro]

This is where we are in life now. This is where we are. Ah, to the tune of lots of listeners. People like this crap, apparently. Okay, man. All right. So you're wrong. It was not Gary Javage. Guess again. Don't know Gary Javage from Adam. I've never heard of Gary Javic if I met him in passing, because again, I can't testify as to, like, every single human I've ever met. Possible don't know him, never breakfasted with him, don't know. But again, this is the kind of genius level material that you are getting when you listen to Candace's show. Genius level stuff. You are getting her speculation as to with whom I breakfasted, where did I eat. I want to know where did I eat and what did I eat and was it good for me or not? What was I wearing? Were my shoes purple? Like, what are. What are we even talking maroon? Was I wearing the maroon shoes? Candace? Ah, this is. This is where we are. And people are so unbelievably stupid to take this person seriously. But what I'm really worried about, honestly, is that Candace feels like she's extraordinarily vulnerable to all sorts of criminal behavior and, and people scamming her out of $10,000. So, Candace, please, before you pay a rando 10 grand, you should probably confirm what they're saying is true. Or you need to sign up with like, home title lock or something. Cause I feel like Candace is making herself extraordinarily vulnerable to these sorts of. These sorts of scams. Oh, the genius levels on the right. The genius levels. Now onto the real news of the day. So there is this matrix of oppression that's been embraced by the DSA left as well as the horseshoe right. And that is that there is a sort of matrix of oppression. Now, it depends on whether you're DSA left or horseshoe right as to who is at the top of the matrix of oppression. But according to the DSA left, if you are killed by the cops and you were attacking a cop, if you are of the right race, then you are now a member of the oppressed. If you are a Jew, then you are a member of the oppressor group, even if you're getting killed. That's also true for the horseshoe. Right. That last part anyway. So I want to bring you the contrast of a couple of cases. So Yesterday was Tisha B'Av. That is the day that commemorates for Jews the destruction of the first and second temples and a wide variety of other bad things that happened to Jews on that date. We fast 25 hours. So I was fasting yesterday from food and water during the show. And yesterday in New York, two men were stabbed by an attacker yelling Allahu Akbar. I know you're shocked. I know you're absolutely bewildered and shocked that Jews were stabbed by a man shouting Allahu Akbar. You thought that he'd be yelling go Nicks or something. Nope. It turns out he was yelling the same thing that a huge number of people are yelling when they are stabbing Jews. He was yelling the Allahu Akbar. And so, according to the police commissioner Jessica Tisch, this stabbing occurred in the Upper west side on Thursday afternoon. The person apparently was just walking down the street. A 50 year old man wearing a yarmulke. He was attacked after leaving a synagogue at Amsterdam avenue and West 86th Street. He was stabbed in the torso with a screwdriver. He had been leaving Tisha Baav services when he was attacked. The first person who was jumped was a 57 year old Asian man near West 84th street and Central West Park. Central Park West. He was stabbed in the back with a knife. Both victims are in stable condition. The offender is a man named Morales. He was caught. His name is Raul Morales, the alleged stabber. He was caught around 2:45pm after he allegedly barricaded himself inside a New York apartment just blocks away. He has two prior arrests, naturally, both for drug possession, of course. A witness observed Morales walking erratically and shouting incoherently, including yelling the word Islam on Columbus avenue near West 86th street roughly half an hour after officers responded to the first stabbing. So obviously mental health is a factor here. That was said by both Jessica Tisch and the mayor of New York, Zaramdani. But we should also be very clear that the number of anti Jewish hate crimes in New York City has been exorbitant for years on end. It's only going to exacerbate under the radical Islam friendly mayor Zoran Mamdani. You'll recall that just a couple of days ago Zoran Mamdani put out an entire video in which he suggested the people of New York needed to do something to stop Benjamin Netanyahu from arriving in New York. Zaramdani himself back in February spoke in a mosque in which the services called for the killing of infidels. So not, not a giant shock again, Jews in New York not feeling the most safe under this mayor. Here was the mayor back in February at this mosque.

[Zor Mandani]

I stand before you as the first Muslim mayor in our city's history and this year as the first jummah that I have attended in that new position and to do so together. It is a reminder that in this month of Ramadan, as we find moments of reflection, of recommitment, moments of community that we always do so together. And it is together that I am thankful to be here today. And I'm thankful to have the opportunity to lead our city.

[Ben Shapiro]

This is for the service. Through your hands comes the relief for the believers and the killing of the infidels by your sword. Good times. Good times. So New York Jews not feeling particularly safe over in New York. Not a shock. CNN doing stellar reporting, leaving out the magical words and reporting the stabbing. Apparently he just shouted free burritos for everyone as he stabbed. According to CNN.

[Unknown Commentator]

In New York, police are investigating whether two stabbings are hate crimes. Officials say a 51 year old man stabbed an Asian man and a Jewish man multiple times. Police say the attacks happened yesterday afternoon and were completely unprovoked. They say mental health may have been a factor in all this. But a scary situation,

[Ben Shapiro]

I don't know. Were there any signs that maybe Islam had something to do with it? I mean like any, any signs at all? Any signs. Now again, as I've been saying, the reality is that the targeting of Jews in New York has been an ongoing problem for years on end. This is nothing new. The FBI does categorization of so called hate crime incidents. They category categorize it by victims, race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, etc. According to the FBI data and NYPD, while American Jews comprise about 2% of the total US population, they are the victims about 18 to 20% of all hate crimes. For all biases in the country for religious hate crimes, meaning just based on religion, Jews represent about 70% of all victims of religious hate crimes in the country. In New York City alone, attacks on Jews comprise about 53 to 54% of all hate crimes citywide. So you know, you might see that as a problem, but the left knows, the left knows. They know that the Jews of New York City, they're not the victims. They're not the true victims can be categorized based on the race. If you are not part of the intersectional hierarchy, then of course it doesn't. We have to treat it as though it's just, you know, kind of a random attack if it's happening in New York against a Jew. Where we really have to focus our ire is if a person of minority status, not Jews who are a minority, but they don't count, they're too white and too successful economically. If you are from a minority community and you attack a cop and you get shot, that is a national issue. So over in Wisconsin there is a person named Corey Ruiz who was killed by the cops. And this created a bit of a national kerfuffle. Well, it turns out that this person was convicted of battery of a law enforcement officer and resisting a law enforcement officer back in 23. He was convicted in 2025 of retail theft and resisting police. He had at least 25 criminal cases dating back to 2007. He was homeless and had longtime problems with drug addiction. And then before he was shot, the officers audibly told him to drop a knife on multiple occasions. They attempted nonlethal tactics to gain compliance, including taser and hands on, leading to the injury of two officers, including from the knife. After the suspect was neutralized via firearm, a fixed blade edged weapon was removed from his right hand. He was a suspect in vehicle entries earlier that afternoon. Okay, why does this matter? Well, because naturally the entire DSA infrastructure came out to complain about this. Here's Francesca Hong, a Wisconsin state representative and DSA gubernatorial candidate protesting the shooting

[Francesca Hong]

a man die at the hands of state sanctioned violence. Murder.

[Unknown Audience Member]

Say it.

[Bernie Sanders]

Say it.

[Ben Shapiro]

It was murder.

[Francesca Hong]

My statement, Murder. This sanction. Violence was an execution. We no longer can have a system that protects a power and a privilege that puts the pain and lives of armed officers over black people. We cannot protect a system that continues to reign harm and terror. We all deserve to feel safe.

[Ben Shapiro]

Remember, according to the left Jew gets stabbed in New York while someone shots Allahu Akbar. Not a big deal. Person attacks cops, gets shot. If he's of the right race, that is a huge deal. This person, you've seen her before, she of course was endorsed by Hasan Piker as she ran through a slew of policies, including abolishing ICE and all of the rest. BLM protesters showed up at concerts in Wisconsin to disrupt those concerts again. I mean, this is just what you thought, that the. The woke was gone. No, no, no, man.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

It's.

[Ben Shapiro]

It'll be back. It'll be back stronger than ever. People are just there, you know, like eating and, and trying to enjoy a concert. And all these people show up to Black Lives Matter, the police are murderers routine. And the protesters also showed up at a Madison, Wisconsin police presser. And it was, look at these delightful people. I love the expressions of the people who are just like, I was here to eat a meal and like watch a concert, and now I have people who are just yelling at me for no reason. Yeah, that is all of our faces at this point. Here was a police presser overtaken by the protesters.

[Unknown Audience Member]

Give me this microphone then. Excuse me. That's right. My name is Carlos Dixon, I represent all power to all people. Zero power to Zionists, zero power to capitalists, zero power to colonialism. What you are doing right now in this city is continuing the disgusting nature of colonialism, the disgusting nature of imperialism. Look up the definition of imperialism. It's all within the policies. Which means when these police officers come down on the street and they decide that they want to take the life of another brown body, there is no oversight for that. That's imperialism.

[Ben Shapiro]

I have a question. Why are the cops allowing this to happen? Is the middle of a police presser? Why are they allowing this to happen? Were they invited information that we need? Just pathetic. Again, if the left gains power again, this will become commonplace. It will get ready for it. All right. Meanwhile, there are large scale economic battles happening here in the country and a lot of that battle is whether we should innovate or not. We've been discussing this for a while. Artificial intelligence. I understand the concerns about what people believe AI is going to do. I understand that of course, anytime there's a new technology, there are job dislocations and then those jobs end up being absorbed back into the new forms of the economy that are created by the innovation. Right? This happened with industrialization, it happened with the information age and it's going to happen again with AI. There is an overt campaign to destroy innovation in America. It's a campaign that is fostered by China and Russia and the DSA types and yes, the Tucker Carlson types. It is a very real thing. Well, the White House is fighting back against this, as the White House should. So yesterday the White House put out a press release what they called the Ratepayer Protection Pledge. They asked for a public commitment that hyperscalers, AI companies and the utilities and data center developers behind them will build, bring or buy every kilowatt their facilities need and cover every dollar of the infrastructure that delivers it. American households and businesses should not be footing the bill. 200 plus organizations committed to do this, including Google, Microsoft, Meta, Oracle, Xai, OpenAI, and Amazon. Of course they committed to it because it's good for them also to actually build more energy facilities to help pay for the energy that's going to go into AI. So this is good. And the White House emphasized that data centers are not just AI. They said every phone call routed, every plane sequenced through the skies, every Amazon order, hospital chart, credit card swipe and Netflix stream. Getting the economics right protects far more than the AI Boom. And this is right. The President himself pointed out that revenue from these data centers in Places like Georgia allows them to reduce property tax, which of course is true.

[Unknown Interviewer/Commentator]

The revenue from Google's data center construction is allowing them to eliminate property taxes entirely. And that's what you call using it to your advantage. The numbers are so incredible. Nobody's ever seen, you know, all my life, the biggest building in the whole world was the Pentagon. And you can fit 25 pentagons into some of these buildings. 25. And if you happen to be a community and there's very little disruption, they're just large, they go on for miles. And frankly, if you like certain types of things, they're incredible to look at to see that we could do something like this. But they also throw off tremendous amounts of money for the community. And

[Ben Shapiro]

again, he is not wrong about this. He's not wrong about this. Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia, he says the same thing. He says, you know what I noticed is that our power generation is going up and our rates are actually going down because of the additional facilities being built.

[Unknown Interviewer/Commentator]

But the best thing is, is our

[Ben Shapiro]

power generation is going up, our rates are going down. He is right about that. Also, as Elon Musk says, and this is, it's important for innovators to make the case, he says, that AI is going to get better and better and it's actually going to create abundance, which is what better technologies do. They create more material abundance. This is what innovation has always done.

[Elon Musk]

AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in around five years. In five years, roughly five years is my guess. So there really won't be anything that AI can't do better than humans, apart

[Zanny Beddoes]

from being human, perhaps at a more prosaic level. What will life be like?

[Elon Musk]

The most likely outcome is an age of amazing abundance where anyone can have anything they can think of. This is, this is, this may sound preposterous, but. Well, here we are in 2026. Let's see where we stand in 2036.

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, he's right about this. By the way. Again, people who are anti innovation, do they understand how much innovation has already happened in the last 10 years? Just take a quick personal example. So my father, the other was, was in a car crash and he is still recovering somewhat, but he's, he's fine. So my, my father, he had to get a new car because the car that he had was totaled in this car crash. Somebody broadsided him while he's making a left. And I encouraged him that he should get a Tesla. And the reason I encouraged him to get a Tesla is because Tesla's self driving Mechanism is unbelievable. And particularly as you get older and your response time goes down and you have vision problems at night and all the rest of it. Tesla's driving is significantly safer than you driving. And my father, who is always a very aggressive driver, he has used Tesla self drive pretty much everywhere. And he said, and he's correct that he feels significantly more relaxed and safer because the car is seeing things he wouldn't see. The car is responding in ways he wouldn't necessarily respond in safer ways than he would like. Can you imagine how many lives are going to be saved by just the self driving you were. The more self driving takes over, it will save legitimately tens of thousands of lives in this country every single year. Innovation is a good thing. Naturally the left is very much against it because the left wishes to freeze the economy, shrink the economy and redistribute everything. So just last week AOC was trying to make the case that we should oppose the data centers because they're making people sick. I don't know what she is claiming. Making people sick based on what?

[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]

There's no control over the radiation that's happening here. And what we see is that these plants produce that ash and then they have to do something.

[Unknown Interviewer/Commentator]

That's right.

[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]

All they're trying to do is dump it. Where do they dump it? In places, rural areas, poor areas, disenfranchised areas, black and brown areas. Meanwhile, all these folks are getting sick. Guarantee you we've got a high Medicaid population and so now they, they're profiting all of, off of all of this. And they don't have to pitch into the cost at all for the health

[Ben Shapiro]

care birds that they're not only that they get tax breaks. Well, what, what evidence does she have? Like does she have a single bit of evidence that data centers are making people sick? Does she have one iota of evidence about this? Of course not. The idea, by the way, that they are disproportionately dumping data centers in black and brown areas is nuts. That's really silly. They're putting data centers in proximity to areas where people can work on the AI. And do you think they're just going to build a data center, what, in the middle of midtown Manhattan or something? Okay, let us look at a map on how we use our land because we're being told that all of our, all of our precious farmland is being eaten by the data centers. Our precious bodily fluids are being, are being utilized. Okay, this is a map of the United States for those who cannot see each square Here on this map is about a million acres. Basically, the entire map, or nearly the entire map is either pasture and range, cropland or forest. There are a few special use areas, diminishingly small urban areas. So the vast majority of America is, believe it or not, population empty. A very, very small population. And based on the analysis of one Andy Masley, by 2028, data centers will take up of this entire map. 3.5 squares on this entire map, okay? Actually, we are going to be dedicating according to Mass. By 2030, data center buildings will take up 1/15th of the land we use to grow Christmas trees in America. That basically 0.3% of the land that we use for prime farmland. This is just silly, okay? But the cat. The catastrophism is designed to kill the innovation. The point is not to save our precious farmland, okay? The point is to destroy the innovation. That's what this is all about. Now, Elon Musk was pointing this out. He was speaking with Zanny Beddoes of the Economist, talking about a wide variety of issues. And he points out that the sort of socialistic redistribution scheme is nonsense and so is the envy that suggests that he isn't paying his taxes.

[Elon Musk]

For my stock options, I pay 40% income tax on a national basis. And then because I spend, I don't know, about 30% of my time in California, thereabouts, I pay another sort of roughly a third of the California state taxes, which is, are now around 15%. So, so I, I pay about 45% in taxes. Just so people know this. You know, I don't know. It's quite so roughly half. Then when I die, there'll be another sort of 45%, roughly half that that will be taxed. So at the end of the day, it probably I'll have a quarter of what I, what I, whatever I have.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, she then went after him and said, people really, really hate him. And he said, well, you know, they hate the media too. It turns out they hate a lot of people.

[Zanny Beddoes]

But do you see why this makes people think that this man who has all this power, he's the world's richest man, he thinks he has a right to influence our politics. It makes people, it's why, you know, we started this conversation saying superlatives. It's why people loathe you. I mean, some people do loathe you.

[Elon Musk]

Yes, some people do.

[Zanny Beddoes]

But do you understand why? Do you think what you're doing is helpful for Western.

[Elon Musk]

Maybe some people do loathe me. And that's probably True. I don't care. But the fact that, as you pointed out, a quarter billion people follow me is that I think a lot more people actually like me than don't. And I think a lot more people hate you and the media more than you realize.

[Ben Shapiro]

Again, he is not wrong. And this is one of the points that is worth making. It turns out that Normie, rational Americans, they like things like free markets and American strength. We do. We do. Okay. That's why the DSA program, it's too online. It just is. So President Trump was going off on Nate Silver's poll of DSA members demonstrating that they are essentially overeducated white people who don't earn a lot of money. And he says they're losers. And he happens to be correct.

[Unknown Interviewer/Commentator]

We have to stop the threat of the communist rhetoric that you're hearing right now, because these people, they don't. I'm very happy. A poll came out. It said they're highly educated but doing very poorly. In other words, they're losers. They went to school. They got a good education. Now they can't. They don't know what they're doing. So what they do is they complain about people like yourselves that have done so well. But we can't let the communist ideology even. We don't want to even think about it for this country. It would be terrible.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, he is right about that. Meanwhile, AOC is still trying to cram the DSA box into the we just want healthcare thing. That's not what the DSA is saying. That's not what they're saying at all. It's not going to work.

[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]

Do Republicans really think that this stuff is going to happen? No, they don't. They're trying to scare people because they don't want us talking about the fact that we all have a right to health care in this country. So. So they want to call it communist, and they want to call everything they don't like communist. Because if people actually wake up to the fact that their elected officials are screwing them over when they get here, then they're going to realize that they deserve better and that healthcare as a right isn't crazy. It isn't pie in the sky. They want to call this stuff communist because they don't want us to realize that the rest of the developed world has guaranteed health care in this country. So they want to call it communist because they don't want you to know that Germany, Italy, the uk, Canada, everybody else has it better than us, and we spent the most amount of money for the worst care in the modern developed world.

[Ben Shapiro]

Okay? That is not actually why people are opposing communism. And also the UK does not have it better off than we do. James Carville agreeing with President Trump about the dsa. When James Carville and Trump are linking arms, you, you know, it's probably politically true.

[Charlie Kirk]

These people are paternalistic and it's a bunch of over educated little white turds who think they know more than other people know and they know what's wrong and they got to go. And then you got, they're talking about indicting Netanyahu and that the problem is you have a candidate, a DSA candidate, New York, saying we should be against interracial dating. Let me tell you something. These people, and these are to all my black friends and friend people like me, they think they know more than you do.

[Ben Shapiro]

Okay? Now he is not wrong about the fact that the DSA is disproportionately white, which is why black populations don't particularly like the dsa. The DSA future leaders actually were lamenting that the DSA is too white centered. These would be candidates for seats on the DSA's national leadership body. A strong group of comrades in this

[Unknown Commentator]

organization feel like they have been left

[Ben Shapiro]

behind and are ignored because of these different issues stemming from a predominant notion of whiteness within ydsa.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

Having a disdain for a space for us to like accurately, you know, address those things and let out those things. It's, it's what the white man wants from you. And I hate to see comrades that look like me and other people, my slate, having that sentiment.

[Ben Shapiro]

So, so I've seen how white the organization is.

[Unknown Progressive Commentator]

I'm running for NCC at large with the global majority slate under the commitments of diversifying a disproportionately white ydsa.

[Ben Shapiro]

A lot of the times people feel alienated and don't want to organize with us because of our white centered organizational practices and our lack of anti imperialist sentiment. Okay, well, good luck with all of this. Now this sort of idiotic sentiment has been present in Hollywood for a very long time. Which brings us to, to John Leguizamo. So listen, I don't think that you should look for wisdom or political knowledge from actors. It's just not typically where you go. It's typically not where you go. And again, I liked the Odyssey and actually I liked John Leguizamo's performance in the Odyssey. But I have to say that he is not the person to whom you should run for your political advice and the radical ingratitude. Honestly, that some of the richest and most privileged people in America have for America is pretty astonishing. So, first of all, as far as his level of knowledge and understanding on politics, I'd just like to begin with the fact that John Leguizamo says that it took him five years to write 26 pages for his woke children's book.

[Unknown Interviewer/Commentator]

Was it harder than you think or.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, yeah, it was ridiculous. Five years to write 26 pages, is that right? I mean, that's trickier, right? Way tricky. It's not that I'm reading, you know, that I'm reading disabled, but it was difficult.

[Ben Shapiro]

No, but you have to. You have to tell a story in a short.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's short.

[John Leguizamo]

Like a haiku. Like, you have to compress entertainment, fun, storytelling and all that, like, in, like, one sentence.

[Ben Shapiro]

And you did do it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Congratulations.

[John Leguizamo]

I think I did.

[Ben Shapiro]

Mm. Mm. Five years straight. 26 pages. What, was he being given the lotus flower to eat every. Every five minutes or what? Also, he says he's a socialist Democrat, you know, who's just very rich and has a mansion.

[John Leguizamo]

Socialist programs are important, like the post office, like the police department, like the fire department, like your Social Security, like public education. These are socialist programs. It's not, you know, I'm a Democrat. Socialist, Democrat. So. Yeah, you are. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ben Shapiro]

First time I hear that from you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Ben Shapiro]

Is that a change?

[John Leguizamo]

I mean, I've always been. I've always.

[Ben Shapiro]

You'll be voting for Democrats, I'm guessing.

[John Leguizamo]

I've always voted for Democrats. Yeah. Yeah, My whole life. But, you know, I've always had socialist leanings. You know, I've always felt like it was important that everybody have access to the same things that I felt like education shouldn't be a privilege, It's a right. Medicine is a. Not a privilege, it's a right.

[Ben Shapiro]

Now you're openly a socialist.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, I'm a democratic socialist.

[Ben Shapiro]

Some of the hosts are, like, not so into it. It turns out that socialism has a rather long and inglorious history in Latin and South America. And. And. And now he. He's also talking about Latin people being further up the food chain. I mean, again, dude, you are very rich and very well off and very privileged for saying words that people write. Again, I like him as an actor. I just don't understand why people keep thinking that these sorts of opinions ought to be taken seriously.

[John Leguizamo]

Here we are Latin people, 500 years after the conquest, and where are we? You know, why aren't we further up in the food chain? And then you start to understand all the practices and oppression that goes into keeping people down.

[Ben Shapiro]

He also said if you don't. If you follow Ice, you shouldn't watch his movies. Honestly, the directors of these films and the producers of these films need to hire the the actors to stay the hell away from the camera as a general rule. Not true in every case, but true in a lot of cases because telling audiences not to see your movies is a really weird strategy.

[Unknown Interviewer/Commentator]

If you follow ice, unfollow me, don't

[John Leguizamo]

come to my shows, and don't watch my movies.

[Ben Shapiro]

First of all, again, I thought you did a fine job in the Odyssey. I didn't watch the Odyssey because I was dying to see a John Leguizamo movie. Alrighty. Coming up, we'll get into the latest from Andrew Tate, who is apparently bunking next to a cannibal or something. Ah, also we'll get to John Ossoff, the hot new Democratic phenomenon who apparently weigh wears more makeup than RuPaul. If you're not a member, become a member and use code Shapiro. Check out for two months free on all annual plans. Click that link in the description and join us.

[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]

Sam.