This Is What Charlie Kirk Actually Believed

Summary

The Ben Shapiro Show

Episode: This Is What Charlie Kirk Actually Believed
Date: September 20, 2025
Host: The Daily Wire (Ben Shapiro)

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Overview

In this episode, Ben Shapiro revisits the public positions and debate performances of the late Charlie Kirk, following a wave of misrepresentations and "lies" about Kirk's beliefs after his assassination. Shapiro, who knew Kirk personally, presents a curated set of debate highlights to clarify Kirk’s actual arguments on a range of contentious issues—including abortion, DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion), transgenderism, gun rights, Western civilization, and the Israel-Hamas conflict. The episode is both a defense of Kirk's intellectual legacy and a showcase of his debate prowess, with commentary that analyzes Kirk’s style and the significance of his stances in contemporary public discourse.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Debate on Abortion (Oxford Union)

• Timestamps: [01:07] – [02:43]
• Position: Kirk argues for universal human rights regardless of conception circumstances, opposing abortion even in cases of rape.
• Notable Quote:

  "You've got two pictures of an ultrasound. You don't know which is which. Are you going to make a decision about which one of these babies gets to be terminated?... We believe in universal human equality regardless of how horrific or evil the method of conception is."
  — Charlie Kirk [01:11]

• Additional Points: Kirk dismisses arguments about the potential mistreatment of children conceived in rape as a justification for abortion, calling it a "separate issue" and maintains that universal defense of life is the core value.

2. Kirk Confronts Gavin Newsom on Trans Athletes in Sports

• Timestamps: [03:33] – [04:41]
• Position: Kirk presses Newsom on male-born athletes competing in women’s sports, pushing Newsom to publicly oppose it for fairness.
• Notable Quotes:

  "You right now should come out and, and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and say no."
  — Charlie Kirk [03:37]

• Newsom agrees in principle that fairness is at stake, but avoids taking a strong stance, leading Shapiro to note how Kirk “corners” Newsom and demonstrates the political tension within the issue.

3. Defending Gender Essentialism and Addressing Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria

• Timestamps: [05:38] – [06:42]
• Position: Kirk rejects the possibility of changing one's sex and attributes increased transgender identification to social contagion, citing bullying, peer pressure, and autism.
• Notable Quote:

  “First of all, you can't be what you are not... If you are a man, you can't become a woman. If you're a woman, you can't become a man.”
  — Charlie Kirk [05:50]

• Shapiro expands, referencing academic research on rapid onset gender dysphoria and claims social phenomena explain increased LGBT identification among youth. He links these views with the motive behind Kirk’s assassination, and positions them as non-hateful but "rational."

4. Debate on Blind Hiring and DEI

• Timestamps: [09:13] – [11:01]
• Position: Kirk dislikes “blind hiring” and makes a distinction between favoring meritocracy and forced diversity. He admits certain factors (like age and physical capacity in manual labor) might be relevant to hiring.
• Notable Quote:

  “I think you should have a full picture of a human being is when you hire them.”
  — Charlie Kirk [10:09] “DEI is that we are going to forcibly make an institution more colorful. We're going to forcibly make an institution more black... We want excellence and meritocracy over race in every possible circumstance.”
  — Charlie Kirk [10:30]

• Kirk argues for a race-blind meritocracy, not DEI by mandate.

5. The Second Amendment and Defending Gun Rights

• Timestamps: [11:37] – [13:38]
• Position: Kirk presents gun ownership as an inalienable right for self-defense against tyranny and home invasion, emphasizing the importance of recognizing trade-offs in public policy and contextualizing gun statistics.
• Notable Quote:

  “I believe that the right to protect yourself and your family against a tyrannical government or a home invader is a inalienable right that must be protected and that no one can take it away.”
  — Charlie Kirk [12:13]

• Highlights the misleading statistics on gun deaths by isolating suicides and noting the concentration of gun crime in specific urban areas.

6. Debating Diversity, Unity, and Western Civilization

• Timestamps: [14:17] – [15:41]
• Position: Kirk argues that diversity in itself does not strengthen a country; unity does. He claims there’s nothing xenophobic about preferring a common language or cultural cohesion and is skeptical of mass immigration without assimilation.
• Notable Quotes:

  “Diversity definitionally will divide you. Unity unifies you. You notice they never say unity is our strength. They say diversity is our strength.”
  — Charlie Kirk [14:25] “So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country.”
  — Charlie Kirk [15:10]

• Shapiro partly disagrees with Kirk’s economic claims about immigration but supports the idea that successful immigration policy relies on assimilation and cultural unity.

7. Israel-Hamas Conflict: Defining Moral Sides

• Timestamps: [16:57] – [19:00]
• Position: Kirk unequivocally frames Israel as the "good guy" and Hamas as the aggressor responsible for starting the 2023 war, invoking historical context and the inevitability of civilian casualties in urban warfare.
• Notable Quotes:

  “It was also a moral truth that the war started because 1300 Jews were killed and 200 were taken hostage. And when you declare war on Israel, expect a firestorm in reaction... There is a good guy and there is a bad guy.”
  — Charlie Kirk [17:29] “A child who knows that Israel is the good guy, Hamas is bad, has a lot more wisdom than a student like yourself at Cambridge University.”
  — Charlie Kirk [19:00]

• Shapiro praises Kirk’s moral clarity and robust defense of Israel’s self-defense.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Abortion & Human Rights:

  “We believe in universal human equality regardless of how horrific or evil the method of conception is. That is what built the west and I will continue to defend that.”
  — Charlie Kirk [01:18]

• On DEI & Hiring:

  “DEI is that we are going to forcibly make an institution more colorful... We want excellence and meritocracy over race in every possible circumstance.”
  — Charlie Kirk [10:30]

• On Gender & Trans Issues:

  “You can't be what you are not... If you are a man, you can't become a woman. If you're a woman, you can't become a man.”
  — Charlie Kirk [05:50]

• On Immigration & Unity:

  “There is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English. It actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor.”
  — Charlie Kirk [14:32]

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Conclusion & Legacy

Shapiro closes by reflecting on Charlie Kirk's lasting impact—his reputation as a formidable debater, his fearlessness in taking on controversial subjects, and the viral reach of his public arguments.

• Clips like those played in the episode, Shapiro argues, will “get traffic for decades to come," underscoring the generational influence of Kirk’s approach to political debate and his insistence on foundational conservative principles.

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Episode Segment Timestamps

• Introduction & Purpose: [00:28] – [01:07]
• Abortion Debate (Oxford): [01:07] – [02:43]
• Debate with Gavin Newsom: [03:33] – [04:41]
• Transgenderism / Social Contagion: [05:38] – [06:42]
• Blind Hiring & DEI: [09:13] – [11:01]
• Second Amendment/Gun Rights: [11:37] – [13:38]
• Western Civilization/Diversity: [14:17] – [15:41]
• Israel-Hamas Debate: [16:57] – [19:00]

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Transcript

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Alrighty, folks, as you know, since Charlie Kirk's assassination, the left has been out there telling an enormous number of lies about the positions that Charlie took, what Charlie actually had to say. In fact, there are a lot of people telling a lot of lies about what Charlie said publicly. And so today I'm going to go through some of the greatest Charlie Kirk debate hits. I knew Charlie for a very, very long time and I have to say one of Charlie's amazing gifts was his ability to make himself better. Enormous number of things. When I first met Charlie, he was okay at debate. He became truly one of the great debaters by the time he was murdered. These clips, they're inspiring. Charlie was great at this. Let's go through some of them, see what Charlie actually believed. Here is Charlie Kirk talking about abortion over at Oxford Union.

[Interviewer]

So what about abortions in cases of sexual assault or rape?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so again, let's just say I have two ultrasounds here. One of the ultrasound is a baby that is conceived in rape. The other one is from a loving marriage. Do we know which one is which? So they're both human beings and they both deserve human rights. Someone in this audience was conceived and raped. You know who, Tell me, do they look different? Do they get less rights? Are you not able to have free speech rights because you're a rape baby? No. We believe in universal human equality regardless of how horrific or evil the method of conception is. That is what built the west and I will continue to defend that.

[Interviewer]

So then what happens in cases when the baby from that is a product of rape or sexual assault is mistreated, is abused?

[Charlie Kirk]

That's a separate issue. There's plenty of babies that are in loving monogamous marriages that are mistreated and abused separate. There is no correlation. There's no moral justification to say that I think or I even have data that that baby will be misbe, abused or mistreated. Therefore murder is okay.

[Interviewer]

I mean there is correlation. I think it's very clear when they've been perceived in very, very horrific situations. The mother specifically as well is obviously in terms of mentally the impact they have on her, that still the mother has to raise that baby all the way to 18 years old.

[Charlie Kirk]

Still not a justification for murder. And if you think that abortion is just a medical procedure, a cosmetic type intervention, no different than getting plastic surgery, women have regrets after abortion. They have psychological trauma. Again, the question is, do we defend human life universally as a statement? And if the question is, I'm going to just kind of, well, I can eliminate the smaller life because I have regret of a sexual encounter I had then I find. Great question with that.

[Narrator/Commentator]

So, I mean, look at how good that is. I mean, that really, really is good. The best thing here from Charlie is that image at the very beginning. It's a creative use of an image that really clarifies. When he says, at the very beginning, you've got two pictures of an ultrasound. You don't know which is which. Are you going to make a decision about which one of these babies gets to be terminated? It's a fantastic point. It's irrefutable. There's no way to rebut it without actually going to the heart of the matter, which is you don't actually think that human life begins at conception. Or if you do, if you acknowledge that reality, then you are okay with certain types of killing. Next up, Charlie Kirk did Gavin Newsom's podcast. And again, this is just an example of the reality, which is that Charlie was willing to go talk to pretty much anybody. He had debates and conversations with pretty much anybody, and this is what he was murdered doing. Even Gavin Newsom recognized that. Gavin had a conversation with Charlie. The conversation not go well for Gavin Newsom for a good reason.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Governor, for example, I mean, like, if you want to, like, you have an opportunity to, like, you know, run to the middle and seize this man. So obviously you're talking to me of all people. So, like, you right now should come out and, and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship and the long jump in female sports, that's. That. That shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and say no.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Do something like that? Would you say no? Men in female sports?

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[Charlie Kirk]

Would you speak out against this young man, A.B. hernandez, who right now is going to win the state championship in the long term? I can see you wrestling with it.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Not weaponized. Don't. That's.

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[Charlie Kirk]

But I just didn't realize it's 890 medals and trophies that we know of in the last five years. That's a lot.

[Narrator/Commentator]

So, again, look at Charlie just. Just corner Newsom. And he's right. You can see Newsom getting ever more uncomfortable because he understands that he's now boxed himself in that once he says it's a fairness issue, then why don't you just say that it shouldn't happen? And this was a very bad exchange for Newsom because one of the things that happened from it is that it started to be implied that maybe he was actually going to break the mold. It would've been good for him to do it. By the way, Charlie is right about this. It would've been very good for Gavin Newsom to run to the middle on this issue. Just take that issue off the table for Democrats. Newsom wouldn't do it because it is an order of faith for Democrats that men can become women and women can become men, and some sort of sin to claim the opposite. So here was Charlie back at Oxford Union, talking about trans. Now, of course, this is an issue that effectively got him killed because the assassin of Charlie Kirk was a gay man in a relationship with a man who believed he was a woman and who believed that the assassin thought that Charlie was hateful for saying that men aren't women. Here is Charlie defending that position. See if this sounds hateful to you.

[Interviewer]

You'Ve previously expressed the view that people who identify as trans are part of a social contagion due to causes such as bullying and autism. Why do you hold this position and what evidence do you have to support this position?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, it's true. I mean, first of all, you can't be what you are. Not very fundamentally so. If you are a man, you can't become a woman. If you're a woman, you can't become a man. As far as the bullying, we know this because of the skyrocketing rates of peer pressure, social contagion data. In fact, the cast report was one of the most Interesting ones. You guys are actually better on the trans issue than us. Don't mess it up. Guys, please. Your Supreme Court actually defined, I think, what was it like? A man is a man and a woman is a woman. Like, they actually had clarity on this topic recently. By the way, all can agree that J.K. rowling is a hero. Yes. So funny how the left will no longer applaud their heroes when you differentiate from the faith. Everyone loved J.K. rowling. She's wonderful. Make her a dame. She's the best. She's. Oh. She says that a woman is a woman and is a man. Is a man. Crucifier.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Colorful stuff there from Charlie, obviously. The point that he's making about rapid onset gender dysphoria. It was backed by a study at Brown University, rapid onset gender dysphoria that demonstrated repeatedly that there was a massive uptick in the number of young girls who are identifying as transgender for a very, very long time. All studies showed that it was essentially a subset of young males who are identifying as girls. And then all of a sudden, disproportionately, women, young girls, you know, underage girls, actually started identifying as transgender. And it was all in small social groups, and one girl would go transgender, and then all would go transgender. The researcher in that case was suspended by Brown for that discovery. Abigail Shrier talks about this in her book Irreversible Damage. And the data are very clear on this. It is absolutely 100% a social contagion, which is why you go from a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of people identifying as transgender to 25% of all of the young generation identifying as LGBT and a significant percentage of that 25% identifying as transgender. We'll get to more of this in a moment. First, the system isn't broken very often. It's rigged. Because, you know, a lot of people get rich when you are in debt. And that's not an accident. That's the plan. PTSD has helped hundreds of thousands of people flip the script on credit cards, personal loans, medical bills. They know how to beat these companies at their own game. Your money, your future. It's time to take it back with PDS debt. PDS debt doesn't just crunch numbers and then call it a day. They actually take the time to understand your specific situation and build a plan that works for you, not some cookie cutter approach. And here's the best part. They don't care what your credit score looks like, whether it's pristine or completely shot. They're focused on one thing. Helping you save more money, crush your debt faster, and finally start keeping more of what you earn instead of handing it over to creditors every single month. They've built a reputation by actually delivering results. And that's why they have an A plus rating from the Better Business Bureau, thousands of five star Google reviews, and perfect scores on trustpilot. When you're drowning in debt, you need someone in your corner who knows how to fight back. That's exactly what PDS debt does for their clients every single day. I have friends who've gotten into debt. It is horrible, truly horrible. And so I understand what it's like to try to get out of debt where you feel like you're digging and digging. You can't get out. Well, you're 30 seconds away from starting the process of becoming debt free. Get your free debt assessment. Find the best option for yourself right [e-mail] Shapiro that's pdsdeb.com/shapiro pds.com Shapiro so obviously Charlie was murdered while he was doing his debates on campus. Those became quite viral on TikTok particularly he would show up with the traveling tent. That said, prove me wrong, here is one of these debates that he had with one of the students over dei.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

What do you think about blind hiring? Are you for blind hiring?

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

No. So why not? Because blind hiring for those who don't know is based on merit. Where you don't. So what's blind hiring?

[Charlie Kirk]

Blind hiring would be that you do not put the race actually when you submit for, you know, actually you don't even see the person when you interview them for a job.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

No, no, no, that's. That's one part of blind hiring. There's multiple ways to do blind hiring, but at the end of the day, blind hiring is exactly not knowing the person's race, age or gender. That's based on merit. Like you said, you want merit, correct?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on. Those things can factor into merit as well. For example, if I'm trying to hire for an Amazon warehouse worker and all of a sudden I find out that they're at 69 with one year left from retirement and the age is not disclosed, wouldn't I prefer to have a 24 year old man than a 69 year old woman who's overweight.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

You're moving the goalpost. Let's bring it back here. The whole point was about blind hiring.

[Charlie Kirk]

No. You said race, sex and age is not incorporated.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Correct.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think you should have a full picture of a human being is when you hire them.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

So you care about diversity?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, actually, I don't.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

How? Why? Because that's basically merit. You're focusing solely on merit.

[Charlie Kirk]

You said you want me to just be clear. I want. If diversity happens naturally through meritocracy, great. If all of a sudden we have that. Well, no, no, it's not. DEI is by force.

[Student/Debate Opponent]

So let me explain.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, I got it. I got to interject. DEI is that we are going to forcibly make an institution more colorful. We're going to forcibly make an institution more black. Where if all of a sudden. If half of Texas A and M was black because it was all on merit, praise God, that's an amazing thing. It doesn't matter. If all of a sudden, for example, if the NBA is 75% black because it's on merit, great, terrific. If the NFL is half black because on merit, we don't want to force race. We want excellence and meritocracy over race in every possible circumstance.

[Narrator/Commentator]

So I think that even the person that Charlie's supposedly debating here seems to agree with that basic premise. And Charlie is cutting through the semantic game that's being played here. The semantic game that's being played is the idea that if you want to take into consideration relevant factors, that some form of DEI know that is the opposite of dei, if the factors are relevant. What Charlie I'm sure was in favor of and articulated many times that he was in favor of race blind meritocracy. So if the question is blind hiring where you don't put the person's race on the form, then yeah, I think Charlie would have been in favor of that. I've been shocked if he wouldn't be in favor of that. Here's Charlie on campus debating the second.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Great. So I just want to make sure I can know where you're coming from. Do you believe owning a firearm is a right or a privilege?

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[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so then you, you do not believe in the Second Amendment as it is written?

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[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so that's where we disagree. And that's okay. We have clarity but not agreement. I believe that the right to protect yourself and your family against a tyrannical government or a home invader is a inalienable right that must be protected and that no one can take it away. Now let's just. And that's okay. We have, we have clarity on that. Now let's go through why I believe that and some, also some clarifying statistics. Everything you said is true, but one part of it is misleading is that yes, there are, There are about 30,000 gun deaths a year or death by firearm, but two thirds of them are death by suicide.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, right. So it's a little misleading to say 30,000 or even every 11 minutes. And so there's some people that say, well, it's easier to commit suicide if you have a gun in the house. You and I would both agree though that if someone is committing suicide of the firearm, there's other underlying issues. The firearm is secondary. Okay, so that's a reason. Thank you for agreeing with that. Okay, so therefore that gives you about 10,000 gun deaths a year. The vast majority of those are gang related in about 10 cities across the country. Not excusing it, but there's other underlying factors associated with it. Now let's get into what our position is. Those of us that believe in the second Amendment, we fully acknowledge that when you have liberty that you're going to have sometimes undesirable outcomes. For example, there are 50,000 people a year that die in auto fatalities. And it's tragic. However, no reasonable person would come up to the MIC and say, let's ban driving.

[Narrator/Commentator]

An excellent, well reasoned argument from Charlie. He's going point by point through the statistics and when he gets to the final conclusion, which is that public policy is a series of trade offs, that really is the key thing. That really is the key thing. Now it'd be interesting to hear the argument from the other side that gun rights are not pure self defense. There are other forms of self defense. That if you have a society that didn't have any guns in the first place, then maybe you don't wanna bring guns in. Right. That's an argument that's been made with regard to societies that actually do not have many guns in them. There are some really fascinating debates to be had with the second Amendment here. But Charlie's making obviously a very forceful and rational defense for the second Amendment there. Here is Charlie Kirk debating Western civilization on campus.

[Charlie Kirk]

What country has ever grown stronger, the more divided it's been.

[Debate Opponent]

None. But I'm not saying to get more divided.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no. But diversity definitionally will divide you. Unity unit unifies you. You notice they never say unity is our strength. They say diversity is our strength. In fact, just so we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English. There's nothing racist to say that it actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor. There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far off distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same, that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech. So what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America. Because a country is again, it is the people that inhabit it. So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country.

[Debate Opponent]

Sure. And I, but I think that what you're talking about, this like mass shift in American culture, culture is like not happening. I think you're fear mongering. And also I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture. I don't really know, like where you can point to a time in the US history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again, from the 20s to the 1920s and 1960s, we had very little immigration in this country, nearly 40 years. In fact, that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the 1950s.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Okay, so the argument here that he is making about diversity, that diversity just inherently is not our strength, that unity is our strength. That's obviously true. Now you could have theoretically racial diversity with unity of purpose. That's what many churches are about, for example. So I don't think Charlie is arguing against diversity on its own. He's just saying that diversity as our strength is a nonsensical slogan. As far as his final immigration point, that immigration is somehow inherently weakening. I mean, there's actually a point where I sort of disagree with Charlie. The reality is that the booming economy of the 1950s was not brought about by low immigration policies in the 1930s and 40s is brought about by the fact that the entire world had been destroyed in World War II, except for the industrial capacity of the United States and actually the very fast growth period of the American historical spectrum from, say the 1880s to the 1920s, which are a very, very high growth area of the American economy. That Actually, we actually did have quite high immigration during that time. So you can make the argument against mass immigration. I make that argument all the time because the factors have changed, including with regard to the welfare state, for example, and our failure to assimilate people in. I sort of disagree actually with Charlie's economic argument there. Well, Charlie also did a debate recently over at Cambridge where he made his positions with regard to the Israel Hamas conflict absolutely clear.

[Charlie Kirk]

In the conflict of Israel versus Hamas, who's the good guy?

[Debate Opponent]

Believe both Hamas and the Israeli government are evil. But I think also there is no just equally.

[Charlie Kirk]

Are they equally.

[Debate Opponent]

There is no justification for the murder and mutilation of thousands of innocent people and children. There is no justification, Mr. Kurt, for invading hospitals, for bombing innocent populations and dragging out a war which is damaging Israel and the west security.

[Charlie Kirk]

You've made that point.

[Debate Opponent]

But that's not a point, it's a moral truth, isn't it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, yeah. It was also a moral truth that the war started because 1300 Jews were killed and 200 were taken hostage. And when you declare war on Israel, exclus. Expect a firestorm in reaction. Let me finish. I let you talk. Israel had its holiest day of the calendar year besides Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah Samat Torah, the 50 year anniversary of the Six Day War on Shabbat, Hamas invaded Israel, deciding to go recklessly to music concerts, to homes, to kibbutzes and taking 200 plus hostages. They knew what they were doing in one of the most cloistered urban environments on the planet. Two million people live in a place where it's impossible to wage war. Impossible where they wear civilian clothing, they violate every tenant of the Geneva Convention and the idf. When they do something right, they get no credit. When they do life saving surgeries of a Gazan child, they get no credit. When they drive leaflets, drop leaflets, they get no credit. But when they happen to bomb a place where they are operating their military, from which we now know from third party verified sources, hundreds of Hamas military operations are in mosques, schools and hospitals. I'm sorry, the country that where they were living in relative peace on October 6, that all of a sudden we had a war and Hamas started the war. And I don't see people that were really upset about the 2 million Germans that were killed in World War II civilians. A tragic truth of war is that civilians die. I don't like it and you don't like it. And they brought it upon themselves. The only operation and entity to blame is the leadership of Hamas, not the Israeli government, for fighting this defensive war after they were invaded. There is a good guy and there is a bad guy. I honestly.

[Debate Opponent]

Isn't that the morality of a child?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, instead. Well, hold on. It's interesting you say that, because a child who knows that Israel is the good guy, Hamas is bad, has a lot more wisdom than a student like yourself at Cambridge University.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Oh, Charlie says it quite well there. Alrighty, folks. Well, obviously, Charlie. Charlie's legacy is going to live on in clips like the ones we've shown you. Charlie's a very strong debater. He took very strong public positions. Those clips are gonna get traffic for decades to come. Clips that you're gonna show your kids. Their kids are probably gonna show their kids. There's a reason that Charlie racked up in the months leading up to the last election cycle, something like 15 billion views on various social media outlets. He leaves behind a lot. And for that, at least, we are very gr. Sam.