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Trump’s Team: Best Ben Shapiro Show Moments
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Relive the best moments from "The Ben Shapiro Show,” “The Sunday Special,” and “The Search,” featuring future leaders of President Trump’s next administration! This compilation showcases highlights from past episodes, revealing the expertise, vision, and principles behind those nominated for key cabinet positions in Trump’s next administration. - - - Today’s Sponsor: Birch Gold - Text "BEN" to 989898, or go to https://birchgold.com/ben, for your no-cost, no-obligation, FREE information kit.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, folks, we had a lot of interviews, a lot of sit downs with a wide variety of picks for President Trump's cabinet. And today we're gonna go through some of the best moments from the Ben Shapiro show, the Sunday special on the Search featuring leaders of the next Trump administration. Here's some of what it sounds like. Here's some of my conversation with vice president elected J.D. vance. I really think that Trump's major appeal, more than anything else is one is something that he has said many times, which is, they don't hate you because they hate me. They hate me because they hate you. And I think that's right for so many Americans.
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J.D. Vance
Yeah, I think that's very smart. And it extends further. It's not just about criticism of them personally, which I do think a lot of people feel to their core. It's also about the things that they hold dear. Right. This wasn't true when Bill Clinton was running for political office. It wasn't true, by the way, when Barack Obama was running for political office. I actually, you know, I sort of, one of my favorite, like lines to give in speeches is that I give a paraphrase line from a Barack Obama speech in 2007 or 2008 when he was running for president, where it's basically, you know, the quote goes something like, you know, I really don't like it when people bring non American flags to protests in America. When I see a guy waving a Mexican flag at American protest, I get a flash of resentment. And, you know, you give that speech to college educated audiences in 2017, 2018, and you see people shift in their chairs or like, oh, where is this going? This guy's a little uncomfortable. And then you say, well, Barack Obama said that like eight years ago, 10 years ago. And they're like, oh, wow, that's surprising. And it just goes to show how different it is that people are talking about these issues. But to go back to this sort of, people feel insulted personally, but they also feel insulted, I think, about core parts of their identity. So my grandparents, again, classic blue Dog Democrats. But like, when you talk to them about World War II and they were kids in World War II, my grandma's older siblings and her father were in the Navy. My grandfather didn't fight in the war. He just missed the sort of age cutoff. I think it was 16 when the war ended, they would get teary eyed. I mean, it was this incredibly proud moment of American history. And that moment was important to them as people, their identity as Americans who felt that their country was good or was really important to them. And of course, there are all kinds of things that America has done wrong. You sort of have to issue that caveat. But people like, you know, they recognize that there are a lot of things wrong with their family. They still love their family. They still think things are good. The American nation is, in a lot of sense, a sort of extended family for a lot of people. They care about its history. They're proud of its history. And if your operating assumption as a potential leader of American politics is not that America's made some mistakes, but America's fundamentally terrible, then a lot of people are gonna feel personally insulted because America is something they actually care about. It's not just fake. And I actually think that this is. It sort of reveals the cynicism of a lot of our sort of leadership class in the country. Is. I don't think that they were. Well, they were caught off guard by the reaction that a lot of people had to this because they really don't think that patriotism is something that folks actually feel right. They think it's all manufactured. They think it's all, like, Koch brothers or somebody else's propaganda to make people feel good about America. But a lot of people actually just feel good about America because they care about it and it's theirs and they love it. And if that feeling is genuine, it's very often, I think, foreign to a lot of folks in America's leadership.
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Ben Shapiro
Now take a listen to a bit of my conversation with Secretary of Homeland Security nominee Kristi Noem. The broader mission, which is to fight an overwhelming left change in the country that's not relegated to President Trump. And I think you made that clear in your speech.
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Kristi Noem
I did.
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Pete Hegseth
I talked about why America needs conservatives. And it's a belief system that this country was founded on, that we believe and that we wanna protect, because it really is what has given us the opportunity to be successful and the most exceptional nation in the world for hundreds of years. The left has gotten extremely far out there. I tell people all the time that I knew I served with extremists when I was in Congress. What's changed the last couple of years is they're so proud of it. They're so boldly declaring their embracement of socialism and communist principles and values, that that is a dramatic shift that we've seen in the last few years. And that's why Republicans are united around the conserv message and will continue to defend our history, our leaders that led us through challenging times. They had flaws, but they also did incredible things for us and our children and grandchildren and that we need to continue to talk about the value that that applies to today's culture and our government as well. There's a very specific reason that our founders gave the federal government very limited powers. They wanted the vast majority of the power to remain with the states and with the people. And we're going to have to continue to educate folks on why that is important and then show to that it really does work and create a better situation for their families. That's what we did here in South Dakota. We've talked for years in this state about our conservative values. We put them into place this year and we're showing that it really does work and it really is the best path to success.
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Ben Shapiro
Here's a previous discussion I had with Secretary of Defense nominee Pete Hegseth.
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Elise Stefanik
They're gonna start to return back, I would think, for many of them, to what they really were supposed to be doing in the first place. Oh, the incentive is having more ammo and more training, not more diversity trainings. How about we do that? I do think it's the type of institution that can turn differently than say, a Department of education, which we should just get rid of completely. Or if you weren't going to get rid of, you couldn't pull the roots out fast enough or hard enough. Because I think the core of that Pentagon would be, with all of those moves, most of your 06s and 07s and 05s and E7s and E8s who fought these wars and saw the nonsense and serve with people who were killed will say, yeah, yeah, let's get back to the real right now. And they would do it. And then you switch the military academies and you say, we're not teaching DEI anymore. And then more importantly, I think you go back to standards across the military and say whatever the standards were in 1996, those are the standards.
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Ben Shapiro
You know, like whatever it took to.
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Elise Stefanik
Pass Ranger school or airborne school or become a Marine or whatever. I mean, I just. And that doesn't mean going backwards. It means returning to colorblind standards, returning to gender affirming or gender recognizing standards. To use the wrong phrase, men and women are different. There's a whole chapter on that. One of the examples I use in the book is the Marine Corps. When Obama wanted to push women in combat, the Marine Corps did a study. And this study was, let's test 400 male Marines versus 300 male Marines and 100 female Marines together in a grueling exercise of test and shocker, the 400 male Marines crushed the whole thing. And this is a 300 and 100, not a 200, 200. I mean, this is. And what did Ray Mabus, the Secretary of the Navy do? You know, throw the study out because it's not what the political folks wanted, even though they were told if you do a study and it shows differences, whoever was involved in any of those types of things, you can see the door. And you'll be replaced by a junior officer who can be promoted more quickly. I mean, I didn't get into it in this book, but there's huge issues with a promotion system that, yes, it's a meritocracy, but there's incredible limits on who could move as quickly. So you've got little Eisenhowers out there who are stuck at captain rank for six years even though they should be a lieutenant colonel based on what they're capable of doing. There's things you can change there too that are long haul, but a lot of firings. And then hire the whoever made Maverick the movie and say, make me a dozen ads for every branch of the military that show just bad dudes getting to work and get ready for an influx of young men under a commander in chief they respect to come on in. And guess what? Don't bring any of your racist crap. It's not already an issue. That's my point is that's not an issue, so we don't have to worry about the issues. The reason I say that is because that's what the left will say. The left will say, oh, it's Donald Trump's shock troops coming in. You know, Donald Trump's shock troops are the guy you went to synagogue with or the guy I went to church with who decided not to join the military but instead now is working for the power company or doing construction, but otherwise would have joined. And they go to church and they have families and kids and they're productive and they work hard and they're good, honest people. And I lay out in the book those types of guys I went to school with in high school, some of which probably would have been toxic males if they hadn't been forged through the military. And then they came wounded in combat, silver stars, like just amazing guys, or they were just patriotic and they were kind of wimps, but they went in the military and then they served 20 years and now they're lieutenant colonels and they're, you know, large and in charge. And military forged them too. Right now we're not recruiting either of those groups. So you recruit those groups with a different ethos of the entire military, you could be back in the game.
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Ben Shapiro
Moving on to a conversation I had with Trump's UN Ambassador nominee, Elise Stefanik.
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Pete Hegseth
There's nothing racist about wanting a secure border. There's nothing racist about opposing mass amnesty. And Democrats are the party that's been advocating very publicly for decades now that they want. One of the reasons that they wanna pursue amnesty for illegal immigrants giving them the right to vote is to have a permanent liberal election majority. And I want to quote, the center of American Progress in 2013 said, quote, supporting real immigration reform that contains a pathway to citizenship for our nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future. That's from center for the American Progress. They say this explicitly every day. They have for two decades for me to call and put up an ad saying we want border security and we want to oppose amnesty. That's where mainstream Americans are. There's nothing racist about that statement. You know what this really is, Ben? As you pointed out, Republicans are winning across the board. We are growing our base, we are growing supporters of the Republican Party. We have earned historic support among Hispanic voters, among African American voters, among Asian American voters. And on the issue of immigration, on the issue of securing our borders, on the issue of opposing amnesty, Republicans are winning by double digit margins because the American people don't want these failed open border policies. Democrats are going to lose. They are getting desperate. They are doing smears to anyone and anything and they are just, again, this is what they have said themselves, that they believe that. Again, look at Politico. They publish pumping as many as 11 million new Hispanic voters into the electorate a decade from now in ways that if current trends hold, would produce an electoral bonanza for Democrats and cripple Republican prospects in many states. They now win easily. This is what those same publications have said themselves.
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Ben Shapiro
Now take a listen to a bit of my discussion with Harmony Dhillon, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights nominee. In your opinion, what is the state of election law in the various states across the country? How much should we be worried on the one side about voter suppression, which is what Democrats claim it on, on the other side, how much should we be deeply worried about heavy levels of voter fraud? Not occasional voter fraud, which of course is going to occur in a country with hundreds of millions of voters, but really heavy election shifting voter fraud.
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Pete Hegseth
Right. So the place to start that conversation is the fact that the United States Constitution reserves for the states the time, place and manner of elections are meant to be determined by state legislatures, not state attorneys general, not state supreme court justices, but only legislatures. So that's the basic bedrock principle around which all of these decisions must flow. So everything that is happening in Congress right now to try to federalize our elections, unfortunately, both parties have gone along with some aspects of that already. We already do have two federal election laws, National Voting Rights act and Help America Vote Act. Well meaning laws that in fact are either ignored or simply are funding mechanisms for some of the disasters that we saw in the 2020 election. So in terms of your question about is there widespread voter fraud in the United States? There is voter fraud. The question is, is it of a sufficient degree to change the outcome of an election? And I certainly, I think we've seen at the local level and in some states, some of the practices that we saw in the 2020 election were truly outrageous. The left is trying to tell us that voter suppression is a current issue in 2022 in this country. And look, I'm an immigrant to this country and I can tell you that this country has the freest access to the vote for people of all colors and backgrounds and even places of origin like myself of any country in the world. And so that is true of people in Georgia. That is true of people in any place in the South. That is true of people in minority communities in California. I would say it is because of the fact that we don't monitor our voter rolls very well. It is almost too free to vote. It would be much more legitimate to require some form of id, as many states do. Legally, we don't have that. So it is all too free to be allowed to vote in this country. And so the myth of voter suppression or race based voter suppression in this country or voter suppression because partisan poll work, partisan activists cannot give out gifts in the line to vote. This is a foul lie being pushed by the left. That is truly shocking. And the people who are saying it know better.
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Ben Shapiro
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Well, the biggest cost is our medical costs and the medical costs are preventable. And this goes to another issue which neither of them ever talk about, which I believe is the biggest issue, which is the chronic, even bigger than the budget, which is existential, which is the chronic disease epidemic. When my uncle was president, 6% of Americans had chronic disease. Today 60% have chronic disease. And that more than any country in the world. I mean, one of the reasons we had during COVID we had the highest death rate, the highest body count of any country in the world. We had 16% of the COVID deaths globally were in the United States. We only have 4.2% of the world's population. And a lot of that was mismanagement. But a lot of it was also because we have the highest chronic disease burden of any country in the world. The CDC says that the average American who died from COVID had 3.8 chronic diseases. Now you take these chronic diseases individually, juvenile diabetes. When I was a kid, a typical pediatrician would see one case of juvenile diabetes in his lifetime, his entire career, 40 year career. Today, one out of every three children who walk into his office is pre diabetic. Are diabetic. The cost of diabetes now in this country is higher than the defense budget. One disease. And that doesn't even include Alzheimer's, which we now know, which has now been reclassified as type 3 diabetes. Alzheimer's coming from the same cause that's causing the diabetes, which is food poison food. We have a thousand ingredients in our food that are banned in Europe and other countries and they're killing us, literally. The autism rate in our country has gone from 1 in 10,000 in my generation. 70 year old men, 1 in 10,000 has full blown autism. In my kid's generation. It's 1 in every 34 kids. According to CDC, 1 in every 22 boys. Oh, this is a national security issue. It's the cost. Mark Blacksell just published a peer review publication that shows that the cost of treating autism alone is a trillion dollars a year. So this is, like I say, this is existential for us. And then there's all these other disease that Suddenly appeared around 1989, all these allergic diseases, food allergies, peanut allergies, eczema, asthma exploded. We had that early. You know, when I was a kid, I knew people with asthma, but today they're in every classroom. There's albuterol inhalers in every classroom. There's EpiPens in every classroom. Nobody's talking about this and explaining why the neurological disorders, add, adhd, speech delay, language delay, tics, Tourette syndrome, narcolepsy, asd, autism. These are diseases that I never heard of when I was a kid. Nobody ever knew about them. They were unknown to any except for esoteric specialties in the medical profession. The autoimmune diseases that suddenly exploded. I mean, most of my, the great bulk of my followers are young people and I do selfie lines after herpes speech. And they, one at a time, they come up to me and say, I have pots, I have, you know, adhd. I have all these autoimmune diseases. Rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, lupus, Crohn's disease, things that we never heard of when I was a kid. And suddenly they're expl. Exploded. And then all of these other, the autoimmune, the allergic diseases, the neurological disease and obesity. My uncle was president. 13% of kids were obese. Today it's almost 50%. So. And this is killing us as a country in so many ways. Not only national security and our ability to find people who will actually defend this, who are in shape enough to defend this country. The cost of it is 4.3 trillion a year. So it is five times our defense budget.
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Ben Shapiro
Now take a listen to a bit of my conversation with FDA commissioner nominee Dr. Marty Makary.
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Elise Stefanik
We need good research on the microbiome. We need to repeat clinical trials that were only done once before. We create entire guidelines. Sometimes up to 40% of everything we do in medicine gets reversed when a second study eventually gets funded. But PhRMA is not interested in a second repeat study if the first study shows some marginal benefit. And the old guard dinosaur professors at the NIH are set in their ways. I mean, we saw a little glimpse of that during COVID A group of doctors in their 70s and 80s deciding what's going to get research and what's not. And it turns out there was no research funding for natural immunity or vaccine complications or actually study the effectiveness of cloth masks or even require a clinical trial on COVID vaccine boosters. So they weaponized research and it's a much bigger problem beyond Covid. I don't talk about COVID much in the book. It's too tribal. People are sick of it. But this is a peek into a broader medical establishment. Maybe we need to talk about treating more diabetes with cooking classes instead of just throwing insulin at people. Maybe we need to talk about school lunch programs, not just putting every kid on Ozempic. Maybe we need to talk about environmental exposures that cause cancer, not just the chemo to treat it. We need to talk about food as medicine and general body inflammation and the microbiome.
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Ben Shapiro
Let's move on to two great conversations I previously had with Vikramaswamy, Department of Government Efficiency co Lead at nominee so what does Americanism look like definitionally from where you sit?
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Kristi Noem
Yeah, so look, I do fall in the camp of believing the thing that makes the United States of America unique is that we are bound by a set of ideals. And that's different than the blood and soil vision of American identity. And I do think that that's gaining currency. It's popular. I'm empathetic to it. But I think that that fails. The blood and soil vision fails. First of all, our national identity will always then be thinner than that of somewhere like Japan or Italy for that matter. Right? Or Israel. Like these are countries where you have deep blood and soil connections, genetic lineages dating back, or religious ties. Like that is not the United States of America. So if we pretend that somebody's more American because they've been here for seven generations versus somebody who's only been here for two or one. Well, guess what? Our national identity is always going to be a weaker form than that existing in in most other countries. In fact, most other countries have not only a stronger claim on that national identity, but it also denies the possibility of American exceptionalism, which is this idea that the United States which I which actually buy into this idea that the United States of America is exceptional relative to all other nations across time and space because of the common ideals that otherwise brought together a divided and even in some ways polyglot group of people, religiously diverse group of people in a way that's never been done in human history. And so what are those ideals? I think that they're foundational ideals embodied in the Declaration of independence in the U.S. constitution. I think the idea that we the people actually can be trusted to govern ourselves for better or for worse, which acknowledges that we're going to be trade offs, sometimes we'll get it wrong, but that is who we are. That's what made America great the first time. The idea that you get to speak your mind openly and express any opinion, no matter what that opinion is, no matter how heinous it is to me, the fact that you get to express that opinion as long as I get to in return. The fact that you get to practice your religion, whatever that religion is, as long as you're not hurting somebody else in the process. As long as I get to in return. The idea of merit, right, Merit, I think is the heart of the American identity. And what is merit or what is a meritocracy? I think it's a system that a recognizes that not everyone, in fact decisively everyone, does not have the same God given gifts. It acknowledges that and yet still says that we create a space, a nation that allows you to achieve the maximum of your God given potential. Even though that's different from mine or anybody else's. Your God given potential, you can maximize that God given potential in this country without any government or system standing in your way. That I think those I think begin to form the beginnings of an American identity grounded in the rule of law. Something that we say is, you know, we, we a nation without borders, not a nation, but that's an extension of the fact that we're a nation founded on the rule of law. So I think those basic ideals, free speech, open debate, free expression, free exercise of your own religion, meritocracy, the best person getting the job, regardless of their genetics. The commitment to self governance, for better or for worse, the idea that the people we elect to run the government are the ones who run the government rather than unelected or enlightened bureaucrats as it's been done in most nations across human history and even most nations on earth today. Those are unique American ideals. And that's what I believe makes American exceptionalism possible. That I believe is Our identity.
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Ben Shapiro
I think that there's a phrase that's been used on sort of the post libertarian right that I don't agree with them on a lot of things, but I think the phrase is correct. You have to know what time it is. I mean the fact is that people on the right very often refuse to acknowledge what time it is and the forces that have been raid against them. And so they get very nervous about the. Listen, I'm nervous about the idea of the government utilizing power on behalf of quote unquote right wing interests as well. Because again, my congenital belief is that the government should stay out of these things. But if the only ability, if the two choices are we lose or we fight it back to a standstill with the hope that eventually we get back to the libertarian agreement, I'm going to pick the second every single time.
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Kristi Noem
I agree with you. So I think, I think you and I are actually more, even more similar than I know. We're pretty similar in our perspective, I think.
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Elise Stefanik
So.
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Kristi Noem
There's another interesting observation to make about these sort of two branches of the conservative movement here. We just talked about sort of the content of the differences. I think there's another difference though that kind of complicates this. If I heard between the lines correctly, tell me if I did, was sort of your implicit critique of the post libertarian right might relate to this, which is that like the libertarian right can sort of argumentatively joust according to first principles. Okay. That there's a set of principles that, you know, maybe at risk of being completely blind to present realities and a combination of not just the blindness, but the lack of courage is actually what I call it to take up the full extent of what you actually believe. Right. Okay. Somehow the civil rights acts and the protected classes are sacrosanct and we can't touch them them. But we're going to pretend like the free market starts where those end.
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Ben Shapiro
That's right.
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Kristi Noem
While actually having the law create the very conditions for, for viewpoint based discretionary platforming, firing, whatever else it is. And same thing, by the way, we'll take the ESG driven control of capital markets as given. But then somehow any, any everything outside of that free market, outside of that free market, that we have to flash freeze the present and then assume here and forward that model doesn't work. So we, we talked about that. The problem with much of the, you know, the post libertarian right, or what you could call lowercase populist right or whatever, is that it doesn't rest on a philosophy or set of principles. It's an emotion that is frustrated, correctly so, by the way, with the failures of courage and the failures of eye opening, of opening one's eyes of the classical conservative, sort of neoliberal right, neolibertarian right, but also frustrated with the actual victory, the winning that you refer to on the left. And so I think what we need, sort of the future of the conservative movement demands is bringing the intellectual rigor of actually having a principled, ordered worldview from the historically classical right, but applying that to a starting point and a status quo that recognizes the fact that we're not starting from neutral territory, we're not starting with a whiteboard. And I think we as a movement have not done the hard work of defining what that affirmative vision actually is, as opposed to saying that, you know, fight back and fight fire with fire.
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Ben Shapiro
Like, you know.
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Kristi Noem
Yeah, I mean, like, okay, that might be like a short term, like strategy to a stalemate, but like, where from there? Okay, the libertarian, classical liberal, Milton Friedmanite worldview had a vision of what that society looks like.
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Ben Shapiro
Okay.
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Kristi Noem
For whatever reason, the people who have espoused that mantle do not have the political courage, will or ability to drive and recreate a worldview by undoing the damage that's been done for the last 60, 70 years of policymaking in this country. Fine. If we're then going to take that as given what is our ordered worldview that we will advance as a North star guiding set of principles of the conservative movement? I mean, that was. I will not claim to have done that in my new book, but there was a project that I, that I at least attempted to begin in my new book that's coming out next month. But this is the conversation we need to. We need to have.
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Ben Shapiro
Now take a listen to parts of a stimulating conversation I had with Elon Musk, the co lead nominee for the Department of Governmental Efficiency. Well, what do you see as the obstacles to companies being successful increasingly in the west if there is, if there are obstacles to that?
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Elon Musk
Well, I think excess regulation, taxes do ratchet up every year, making it a little difficult, a little harder every year as taxes ratchet up. But the regulatory creep is, I think, a massive danger. So laws and regulations are immortal, but the regulators and the lawmakers make new rules, regulations and laws and regulations every year. And so you have this. So every year you've got this sort of another layer of laws and regulations. It starts getting to the point where everything's legal. You can't get anything done. Now you say, well, how did they deal with it in the past. Well, the way they dealt with it in the past, there'd be a war and the war would wash away the old laws and regulations. Literally would take a war to change things like Napoleon establishing the Napoleonic Code from that overrode the old law systems of the sort of lords and peasants. And for all that, the bad that Napoleon did, I think did more good actually. So the evidence is in that I think maybe a third or a half of all countries on earth still run on the Napoleonic Code. So now we prefer to have some cleanup process for laws and regulations that doesn't require war. That'd be nice. I think that's something we need to institute, like basically garbage collection for laws and regulations.
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Ben Shapiro
One of the things that has been suggested, there's a book called the Sovereign Individual written in the late 90s that basically suggested that we are entering the era of avoidance, that people are going to be able to be sovereigns. You talked about sovereign wealth earlier. You're not king of something, but you are the head of your companies. And so in the future, people will just be able to move money around, locate to where the regulations are the friendliest. And so the United States right now thinks that we have the advantage because we historically have. But that doesn't mean that that's how it's going to go in the future. You're seeing more and more companies, for example, going to Singapore or going elsewhere just to move away from those regulations. So avoidance, which wasn't a strategy in 17th century France, where are you going to go exactly, is now a very real set of possibilities for a lot of entrepreneurs.
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Elon Musk
Yeah, well, regulation in the US varies by state as well. California is the most regulated state. So increasingly people seek to do things outside of California or outside of New York. Those are the two most heavily regulated states.
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Ben Shapiro
So given all those things, do you think that there's going to be a backlash to regulation in America, or do you think that the west is sort of America being a stand in for that? Sliding into this morass of regulation based on, honestly looks like, to a certain extent, jealousy. It looks like trying to tear down success in the name of fairness as opposed to.
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Elon Musk
I mean, there's two different things. There's regulations which are intended to serve the public good, rules against one thing or another. Like the car industry gets, you know, has lots of rules in how to make a car. I mean, there'll be like piles of books in this room to cover just the US Regulations. What is required to build a car. Those are at least they're aimed for safety, but you know, in terms of other regulations. Yeah, I think generally we want to be averse to any regulation that is anti meritocratic. You know, the point of fighting racism, sexism and whatnot was not to replace it with another form of racism and sexism, but it was rather to get rid of racism and get rid of sexism, not change it to another form. And DEI is fundamentally racist and sexist.
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Ben Shapiro
I think there's the fundamental distinction between innovators and business people and people in the free market and the political class. The political class operates almost solely on the basis that the pie is fixed. Because if the pie is fixed, then the way that you get elected is by promising more of that pie to such and such a person or you promise that by seizing money from the private sector you're personally going to grow the pie. It seems to me if the, the first mark of a politician you shouldn't listen to is I can fix all of your problems. And that basically rules out nearly everybody because it seems like everyone in the political class is into the I can fix all of your problems. When it seems like what I actually need is people who are entrepreneurial and innovative to solve this problem in front of me so that we can then, you know, move on to the next problem that's in front of them.
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Elon Musk
Yeah, basically the reality is that when that is that the government is really just a corporation in the limits. Government is the ultimate corporation. It's not different for a corporation, it's just the ultimate corporation. And it's a corporation that is a monopoly. And also it can't go bankrupt unless the country goes bankrupt and has a monopoly on violence. So how much more do you want to give to the world's biggest corporation that has monopoly on violence? Probably not, probably less. If you look at say countries like east and West Germany or North and South Korea cases where there's just an arbitrary line that's been drawn that could used to be one country arbitrary line is drawn because of a war. What is the productivity difference from one to the other? West Germany had a productivity five times greater than East Germany. And it's not like West Germany was just the sort of bastion of capitalism. They're like half socialist. So even with so what that means, if they're half socialist and the other side is 100% socialist or communist, then you really have something like a 10 to 1 difference in productivity if something is done by the government or done by the private sector sector. That's why you. But I'm not Someone who says, abolish the government. I just say, let's have the government do the least amount, because the less the government does, the more the economy will prosper. Because anything done by the government is going to be five to ten times less efficient. Like, think of the dmv.
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Ben Shapiro
I'm trying not to, but yes. Last but not least, here's a listen to a recent conversation I had with Representative Mike Walz, Trump's nominee for National Security Advisor.
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Kristi Noem
I served.
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Elise Stefanik
I went to Virginia Military institute.
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Kristi Noem
I served 27 years, a lot of.
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Elise Stefanik
It in the reserves, in Special Forces.
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Kristi Noem
I don't know.
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Elise Stefanik
Many people realize both the Navy Seals.
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Kristi Noem
And Army Green Berets have reserve units.
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Elise Stefanik
So I kind of have a day job.
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Kristi Noem
I built a company.
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Elise Stefanik
I worked in the Bush administration and the Pentagon. I had to be one of the only idiots that was writing the strategy, briefing the strategy. Then I would get mobilized with my.
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Kristi Noem
Reserve unit and have to go actually do the strategy.
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Elise Stefanik
And out there with my guys who would then say, who the hell thought.
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Kristi Noem
This was a good idea?
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Elise Stefanik
Yeah, right. The interesting part, Ben would then be taking the uniform off, coming back into.
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Kristi Noem
The kind of policy apparatus and saying.
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Elise Stefanik
Hey, boss, you know, this isn't working. I was just out there on the ground. You're getting fed a line of crap from the kind of blob and, you.
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Kristi Noem
Know, try to fix it.
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Elise Stefanik
So I did that back and forth a number of times.
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Kristi Noem
And, you know, both worked in the.
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Elise Stefanik
White House, worked in the Pentagon, worked out in industry. I've got more scar tissue from contracting officers in government and trying to do business with our own government than I do from the Taliban and brought all those experiences to bear, I think, in Congress when I ran for Ron DeSantis's seat, when he ran for governor. So that was the kind of the trajectory. And I saw with President Trump that his instincts on so many things were absolutely right, whether it was the pivot on China, whether it was, hey, we can, we can shift to focus on Iran rather than Palestinians and bring people.
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Kristi Noem
Together in the Middle East. Whether it was Europe, you've got the same size economy.
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Elise Stefanik
The United States does stop, you know, this great deal you've got with, we're paying for your defense while you pay for your social programs. And so I've been 100% on board with his America first agenda. And you look at what he got done on the Abraham Accords, on China, on the border, on all kinds of reforms in the military that we've been.
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Kristi Noem
Asking for, for years.
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Elise Stefanik
I think he gave me the nod.
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Kristi Noem
To help pull all of that together for him on the book.
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Elise Stefanik
First, the proceeds go to the Green Berets that I lost. And nobody hates wars more than people that have to go fight them.
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Ben Shapiro
Well, folks, those are all people that President Trump has picked for his new administration. Can't wait to see what they do in office.