American Hostage!? Iran Shoots Down Fighter Pilot as US Military Conducts Dire Search and Rescue

Summary

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Date: April 3, 2026
Episode Title: American Hostage!? Iran Shoots Down Fighter Pilot as US Military Conducts Dire Search and Rescue
Host: Benny Johnson
Guests: Tom Fitton (Judicial Watch), Brett Tolman (Right on Crime), Dr. Steven Greer (UFO Disclosure Project)

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Episode Overview

In one of the most dramatic and news-laden episodes of The Benny Show, Benny Johnson addresses an unfolding international crisis: the reported downing of a US F-15E fighter jet over Iran and the possible capture of American pilots, intensifying fears of an American hostage situation reminiscent of the 1979 Iranian Revolution. The episode pivots between urgent live updates on the search and rescue mission, critical analysis of the US Justice Department's ongoing institutional crisis, and a deep dive into the world of UFOs and government disclosure with Dr. Steven Greer.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. F-15 Downed Over Iran—Real-Time Crisis

• [00:00–12:00]
  • Benny opens with a prayer for the missing American pilots, emphasizing that the situation is fluid and confusing, with Iran claiming to hold American hostages.
  • "Iran is now claiming their first American hostages of the war. Now this could be fake news… It could also be that the American has already been exfiltrated in a dire and emergency operation that is ongoing right now in Iran." — Benny [01:25]
  • US CENTCOM initially denies the incident, but increasing evidence suggests a real emergency, including debris, ejection seats, and Iranian state media releasing images.
  • Reports of active search-and-rescue missions by US aircraft, including Blackhawks and C-130s, complicated by Iranian forces firing at rescue aircraft with WWI-era rifles.
  • "You can see the clear American munitions…the debris of a fighter jet…biggest piece of evidence here is the ejector seat…a very specific class of ejector seat that you know, would be very hard to fake." — Benny [07:20]
  • Call for listeners to pray as rescue operations unfold and speculation over Iran's motives and truthfulness.
  • Historical references to the 1979 Iran hostage crisis and its long-term geopolitical impact.
  • "A hostage situation with Iran is how we got into this mess back in the 1970s. We’ve never recovered from that." — Benny [11:10]

2. Justice Department Upheaval: Pam Bondi’s Firing & The Deep State

• [12:17–33:16]
  • Guest: Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch
    • Reaction to Pam Bondi being fired as Attorney General, replaced amid criticism for not rooting out DOJ corruption.
    • Tom argues DOJ and FBI must be "shuttered" and returned to core constitutional functions, blaming them on being tools of the "deep state".
      • "The institution is compromised, it’s irredeemably corrupt." — Tom Fitton [15:15]
      • "You kind of take the Linda McMahon approach to both the FBI and the Justice Department: shatter and scatter their powers." — Tom Fitton [17:15]
    • Discussion on failures to prosecute figures like James Comey and Letitia James, and the difficulty of reforming DOJ from within.
      • "We keep on asking them to investigate themselves. And why are we surprised when it doesn’t happen?" — Tom Fitton [18:00]
    • Frustration from listeners at the lack of accountability and institutional change. Tom's pessimistic warning about future persecution of conservatives if reforms are not enacted.
      • "Prepare for the deluge… Save for lawyers. That’s how bad it’s going to get." — Tom Fitton [27:30]
    • Emphasis on the absolute necessity of mass firings and radical restructuring.
      • "You would need to actually go DEFCON 9, scorched earth." — Benny [19:39]
    • Tom declines the Attorney General role but asserts the AG's job now is as much administrative as legal.
    • Both agree Pam Bondi's downfall was not going far enough against entrenched institutional rot.

3. Behind DOJ Dysfunction: Transition Plans Ignored

• [34:49–53:53]
  • Guest: Brett Tolman, former DOJ prosecutor
    • Brett explains a thorough DOJ reform plan was created but not followed. Both the Attorney General and Deputy AG must be aligned for genuine change.
      • "You have over 100,000 employees in the Department of Justice, 90% of which made campaign contributions to Democrats." — Brett Tolman [36:35]
    • DOJ's core of power is located in the DAG's (Deputy Attorney General's) office—hard to reform without directly confronting it.
    • Pam Bondi didn’t get to pick her own Deputy, undercutting any reform efforts.
      • "You didn’t have Pam Bondi picking her deputy Attorney General." — Brett [41:18]
    • Suggests successful reforms in other agencies prove DOJ reform is possible with the right leadership.
    • On Pam Bondi’s firing: not just failed prosecutions, but botched attempts at high-profile cases and growing presidential impatience.
      • "The President hears it all the time. That we're fed up. We're tired of it." — Brett [46:33]
    • The need for public accountability through visible investigations and prosecutions.
      • "Give us some... Show us some and go after him." — Brett [49:05]
    • Expresses hope with right AG and DAG, DOJ can be turned around quickly.

4. UFOs, Black Projects & The Deep State—A Disclosure Bombshell

• [54:01–106:47]
  • Guest: Dr. Steven Greer
    • Dr. Greer provides an unfiltered perspective on the government’s UFO secrets, reverse-engineered alien tech, and criminal conspiracies in aerospace and intelligence.
      • "We are at the breakout point of this coming to the public. The problem is the cacophony of different voices confusing the issue." — Dr. Greer [59:25]
    • Asserts the majority of UFOs are man-made, reverse-engineered anti-gravity craft managed by a splinter group operating outside constitutional oversight.
      • "My uncle's company has them—Northrop Grumman, Skunk Works, Raytheon... It's a dangerous secrecy being played." — Dr. Greer [60:20]
    • Claims about illegal usage of advanced tech for murder, abductions, and even hybrid programs; ties to the deaths of high-profile figures (e.g., Marilyn Monroe and JFK).
      • "President Kennedy tried to [fix it], and that is why he got killed... I have a document that's... her death warrant from the CIA." — Dr. Greer [65:10]
    • Dr. Greer warns that improper disclosure could trigger societal panic worse than Covid, and stresses the potential for a "golden age" if these technologies are released properly.
    • Describes government disinformation—some UFO "sightings" are psychological warfare using man-made craft to mislead politicians and public.
      • "Those man-made ones have been used in false flag operations to make made to look alien." — Dr. Greer [77:10]
    • On tech: describes anti-gravity and "zero-point energy" systems, medical advances, and their potential to eliminate poverty and pollution.
      • "The energy systems that run these devices… it’s a type of physics that deals with zero point energy or the quantum vacuum…" — Dr. Greer [94:10]
    • Greer also discusses the perils of disclosure: witness assassinations, need for legal protections, and calls for Congressional subpoenas.
    • Hosts extend invitation to Greer’s National Press Club event (May 8) for further whistleblower testimonies.
    • Benny openly wrestles with the spiritual implications, emphasizing humility and the infinite creativity of God.
      • "God created... many millions of types of animals... you can ask about the creativity of God and what is the grand design?" — Benny [115:06]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• [01:25] “Iran is now claiming their first American hostages of the war. Now this could be fake news… It could also be that the American has already been exfiltrated in a dire and emergency operation that is ongoing right now in Iran.” — Benny Johnson
• [07:20] "Biggest piece of evidence here is the ejector seat... a very specific class of ejector seat that you know, would be very hard to fake." — Benny Johnson
• [15:15] "The institution is compromised, it's irredeemably corrupt." — Tom Fitton, on the DOJ
• [27:30] "Prepare for the deluge… Save for lawyers. That’s how bad it's going to get." — Tom Fitton
• [36:35] "You have over 100,000 employees in the Department of Justice, 90% of which made campaign contributions to Democrats." — Brett Tolman
• [53:43] "What I want to see is a powerful Attorney General come in who has a Deputy Attorney General that they have selected, that they work together, and you can turn that organization around." — Brett Tolman
• [59:25] "We are at the breakout point of this coming to the public. The problem is the cacophony of different voices confusing the issue." — Dr. Steven Greer
• [65:10] "President Kennedy tried to [fix it], and that is why he got killed... I have a document that's... her [Marilyn Monroe] death warrant from the CIA." — Dr. Greer
• [94:10] "The energy systems that run these devices… it’s a type of physics that deals with zero point energy...that technology, which is how you run these craft... could benefit all of humanity." — Dr. Greer
• [115:06] "God created... many millions of types of animals... you can ask about the creativity of God and what is the grand design?" — Benny Johnson

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:00–12:00: Breaking details of the F-15 incident, US-Iran tensions, search & rescue details
• 12:17–33:16: Tom Fitton on DOJ rot, Bondi firing, and need for radical reform
• 34:49–53:53: Brett Tolman on DOJ transition plan, why reform failed, and prospects for meaningful change
• 54:01–106:47: Dr. Steven Greer on UFOs, deep state, anti-gravity tech, and the fight for disclosure
• 109:41–112:00: Live update—one US pilot reportedly rescued from Iran
• 115:00–118:26: Benny’s reflections on faith, America, and the mysteries of the universe

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Tone and Style

The episode is intense, urgent, and unapologetically skeptical of mainstream narratives—characteristic of Benny Johnson’s brand. Benny alternates between exasperation at government dysfunction and awe at the potential for extraordinary technological and civilizational breakthroughs. The guest segments are candid, bold, and at times speculative, reflecting the show’s pattern of airing perspectives and information sidelined by the corporate media.

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Concluding Notes

This episode is a whirlwind tour through the biggest news story of the day, broader government dysfunction, and the extraordinary possibilities (and risks) associated with intelligence and against-the-grain technological revelations. For listeners, it offers both up-to-the-minute reporting on a rapidly evolving crisis in Iran and provocative, detailed discussion on the DOJ’s future and the UFO disclosure controversy. Benny’s closing thoughts root the wild ride in humility, faith, and the belief that the quest for truth must always remain central.

Transcript

[Benny Johnson]

This Friday, ladies and gentlemen. And while we normally do a free for all Friday and we have a stacked unbelievable show for you, there is something that is dire and tragic that is happening right now. And we want to begin our show with a prayer for the downed US fighter pilot. An F15E has been downed in Iran. Now US CENTCOM has not confirmed this, they have denied it in fact, but there is an enormous preponderance of evidence that in fact a F15 15E was downed in Iran and the pilot ejected. Presumably the pilot and pilots are alive. This could be a two people could be piloting this aircraft. We don't really know. But there is a enormous amount of evidence that the jet did crash, that the pilots did escape and Iran is claiming that they have now American hostages. This would be the first time that the Iranian guard has shot down a U.S. fighter jet. And this is happening live right now. And so we're going to handle this with the utmost seriousness because it is a American life or lives on the line. Iran is now claiming their first American hostages of the war. Now this could be fake news. Iran has claimed plenty of things through official channels that were completely and totally fake and wrong. It could also be that the American has already been exfiltrated in a dire and emergency operation that is ongoing right now in Iran right now. There are Blackhawk helicopters, there are C130s globe masters and Hercules that are flying very, very low over a remote province mountainous region of Iran. It could also be that the jet was not shot down but had had a malfunction. This does happen quite regularly and that the jet had to crash land and that nobody shot it down at all. It simply crash landed, the pilots ejected. And we've seen this before in this conflict, ladies and gentlemen. That is what is the top of mind today. Friday, April 3, 2026, Iran puts bounty on American pilot. There are conflicting reports everywhere as to whether this is something that is as to what, what the information is truly here. Okay, so we're going to give you everything that we know right now. Who will replace Pam Bondi as ag of course we have Tom Fitton and Brett Tolman on Ready to Go. We also have Dr. Steve Greer. Joining the show live is a the world's foremost UFO expert. And so a wild show today. But we didn't know that this would be the breaking news of the morning. My name is Benny Johnson and this is the bending show. We have stressful days here. That's just a matter of fact. I have stressful days sometimes when I Come home because I have four little kids and it's time to recharge. And it's very critical that you recharge at the end of the night. And that is what I use. My barn charge. My barn charge. Red light face mask. It's good for you, it's good for your skin. It's good to help you relax. It's good if you're spending your days inside of a locked little black box like I do all day long. Sometimes I don't even see the sun. And so you got to make sure that you are able to get sort of that euphoria before going to bed. It's good, very, very good for all of the good chemicals, the production of serotonin, epinephrine, inside of your brain. You need that red light in order to recharge and get sort of that balance that you need in order to go to sleep, stay to sleep and wake up, refresh the next morning. I use mine every single night. Go to bonchartge.com Benny and use the coupon code Benny. Save 15% off. That's B O N C-H-A-R-G-E.com. use a coupon code Benny to save 15% bond charge. Red light face mask. Ladies and gentlemen, red light moment here in Iran. Let's bop on over to an Axios article here, top line about what's going on because Centcom saying this didn't happen yet here's Axios saying US fighter jet is shot down in Iran. Search underway. We have a ton of evidence by the way of this on the ground. Guys, I'm going to need the non locked version of this. Thank you. Please resend. So Iraq, so Iran right now is saying that they have captured an American pilot. Thank you. Thank you. Saying that they have captured an American pilot. My apologies team, I was using the wrong. An old link. Let's go ahead and read really quickly here. The top line news. Iran shot down a US fighter jet per Iranian media source familiar with the incident has confirmed this. Again CENTCOM is not confirming this right now. Search and rescue is underway. A dire situation, an emergency situation in rural Iran. Can you pop up where this is? Is in a. Iran is a huge country. I don't think people quite understand. Like this isn't Kuwait, this isn't the uae. This is a massive nation. It is a mountainous territory. It spans multiple gulfs and it of course controls the Straits of Hormuz, arguably the most important waterway on earth. And so you can see here where the shoot down Was again, we don't know if this was a malfunction or an actual shoot down. It could be a malfunction. This would be the first time that a fighter jet was downed in Iran. An American fighter jet downed in Iran. There have been, I believe friendly fire incidents perhaps in Iraq. Those pilots survived. We covered that early on in the conflict. The US fighter jet was downed by enemy fire. This would be the first time. The US military and White House did not immediately respond for request to comments. On Friday, Iranian state media published pictures and videos showing the downed plane and the ejection seats. Let's cover, let's show those right now. Killer Klein, here we go. We have like what is effectively inarguably the. I mean unless somebody's faking these with AI and I guess, I suppose you don't know these days, but let's go ahead and click on these pictures, please. And you can see the clear American munitions, the debris of a fighter jet where it may have potentially been stations used what class A fighter jet. And Iran is now putting a bounty on the heads of these American service members. Anybody who captures a US pilot alive will receive a valuable reward, says Iranian state media. Probably the most damning piece of evidence here is the ejector seat. The ejector seat here at a Lockheed Martin ejector seat, a very specific class of ejector seat that you know, would be very hard to fake. I guess I could grab one, dust it off, throw it in the desert. But this is something that well now is being confirmed throughout media and various military sources. The F15 crew is currently remains unknown. They do not know where they are, their whereabouts. They do not know where they are. They could be hiding in the mountains. They could be, they could have been captured. This is the search and rescue mission. You can see that there is a. I mean what sort of undercuts. All of this is the massive search and rescue mission that is ongoing throughout rural Iran. You can see the planes. Let's get better pictures here, please. You can see the planes. Okay, there we go. There's a C130 Globemaster Hercules flying low. You can see refueling missions for various Blackhawk helicopters flying low across the region. And then something scary as of still as of yet is that these helicopters are also being shot at. So of course Iran shooting at the aircraft that are trying to do refueling and trying to remain. There we go. So that's, that would be a refueling mission right there. And then here I, I sent it. This is the, this is Iran, Iran effectively shooting at Oh, I sent it the wrong shot. How it goes? Yeah. Iran is now shooting at the aircraft, conducting the search and rescue mission using bolt action. Bolt action rifles. It's in the. It's in the YouTube chat. Please. So, ladies and gentlemen, again, a dire situation, dire reports. If you wouldn't mind. Thank you. Okay, let's listen in here. So using bolt action, World War I style rifles to shoot at the planes. It's not good. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I need to. I need to say. I need to just simply say a prayer and hope that perhaps. I hope that this post is true from centcom, that this is the Iranian media. So Iranian media is reporting that they actually have the hostage, that they have the American pilots hostage. That has not been confirmed. Iran is saying they're putting a bounty on the hostages. Iran is saying they shot down the F15 fighter jet. It's all propaganda war. Perhaps none of this is true. Perhaps they were able to just grab debris and like, dust it up. This is what CENTCOM is saying. Okay, like, I'd be remiss if I didn't, like, tell you. U.S. central Command is claiming Iran's Revolutionary Guard says it down. An enemy fighter jet over Kashim island in the straits of Hormuz. All fighter aircraft are accounted for. Iran's IRGC has made the same false claim at least a dozen times. So the very least, that is what, like, US Central Command is saying. We, you know, do. Do not affirm the story. So we'll see. This is being. This is being again, covered widely, and we're not exactly sure what's true, but this is. This is the news. And I beg of you, like, please say a prayer. Please say a prayer. The evidence on the ground. The evidence on the ground clearly points to an American fighter jet going down and a massive search and rescue going on currently right now in this. In this province of Iran, this rural province of Iran. So if you're praying, I please beg that you pray for the lives and the safety of these American pilots. The American. The. A hostage situation with Iran is how we got into this message. Back in the 1970s, 1972, Iran took American hostages when the Iranian revolution was staged. And we've never recovered from that. The fact that they took our embassy hostage, they took members of the State Department hostage, they harmed, killed, hurt, maimed hostages, and America never recovered from that. In fact, this. This conflict right now and 40 years of icy relationships and death and subterfuge has all become. Has all spawned from an American hostage situation inside of Iran. So, again, perilous moment. Pray for safety and security. We want the truth. What is the truth, ladies and gentlemen, did we get the truth from Pam Bondi? Pam Bondi was fired yesterday. She's been reassigned. I was actually out jogging yesterday, and I looked up, I'm in Tampa, and I see an executive style American aircraft. Executive style. The executive branch of the American. American aircraft fleet. Right. The baby blue. It kind of looks like a mini Air Force One. The baby blue, the pristine American flag. The polish, the shine, the shimmer, they all look the same. I saw one of those planes flying right over me as an. On a jog early in the morning. What's that? And I looked up like, what you what? What member of the executive branch is in Tampa today? I couldn't figure it out. There's Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi coming home after being fired by President Trump. Why did this happen? What happens next? There is not a single better person to join our program than Tom Fitton to talk about this. Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch is just the legal hawk, the best in the business and one of our dear friends. We're thankful that Tom can join us over the phone. He's live right now. Let's talk with Tom. Hey, Tom, how you doing? Can you hear me loud and clear?

[Tom Fitton]

I can. Benny, good to be with you. I'm worried about those pilots as well.

[Benny Johnson]

Yes, this. This is sort of the sum of all fears as it comes to this conflict, because suddenly then it becomes. It becomes very, very personal.

[Tom Fitton]

Well, the good news is those pilots are well trained, if history holds, to evade capture. And you may be too young to remember this, but back in. During the Serbian war conflict, we lost the pilot, Scott o', Grady, who famously avoided capture for some time before he was rescued. And he said, jokingly, he was like a scared little bunny hiding from the bad guys, but he hid well. And so, you know, between. Between our control of the skies, the training of our pilots, obviously praying for the best, but I'm confident the best will happen.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, the footage coming out of Iran right now, while CENTCOM hasn't confirmed that this has happened, the footage coming out of Iran right now all but begs this story to be true because there is a dire and massive emergency operation ongoing. I guess we'll wait and see. And our producers are standing by for any major updates on this story. And hopefully they can avoid capture. And, you know, if they. If they were captured, here's perhaps the silver lining. If they. If the pilots were already captured and in Iranian hands, then they wouldn't be conducting these sort of rabid search and rescue missions, like, all throughout the. I mean, this is all the footage on my feed right now, so hopefully this pilot can be located and exfiltrated. Tom, I wanted to talk to you about the, I guess, exfiltration of Pam Bondi from Washington, D.C. i actually witnessed it yesterday as I was out of my jog in the morning in Tampa. I didn't know that's what. I didn't know that was what was happening.

[Tom Fitton]

I saw your interview last night. Yeah, I saw that.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. So here's what happened, Tom. Like, I, you know, the CENTCOM is right down the street from where I live, bro. So it's like, you know, a couple of blocks from me. So I assumed if a war is going on, that perhaps a member of the executive branch, you know, it's totally common for a member of the executive branch to pop on over. You'd have to assume that maybe that's what's going on, and I wouldn't be privy to any of that classified information or classified movement. So that's what I thought was happening. Sure enough, it was Pam Bondi returning home after being relieved of her duty from President Trump. Your initial take on this, Tom?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, I'm sure you know Pam as well. You know, I think highly of her personally, but she faced a significant challenge at the Justice Department, and she. She lost the confidence of the President. She lost the confidence of a lot of the President Trump supporters. And, you know, I think, you know, we can talk about why she was fired. I mean, in many ways, it was inevitable, given the Epstein fiasco, that eventually the President would bring in someone else. But I think the challenge is, what is it? The. What expectations should we have? Because we can talk forever in a day about why she got fired. And with all due respect to Pam, it's. It's kind of a pass. It becomes more passing interest each day we get away from that, because now we have to figure out, well, how is the Justice Department going to be handled from here on in? Because that's the. That's the key issue. And the institution is compromised. It's irredeemably corrupt. And I think the next attorney general has got to take the approach that Linda McMahon is taking over at the Department of Education.

[Benny Johnson]

You know, it's.

[Tom Fitton]

It's got to be largely shuttered, its powers defanged, and we just need to get back to the beginnings of the Justice Department and. And stop making it this behemoth of a organization that is uncontrollable by political appointees and basically just there at the beck and call of the left to, to target its enemies and, and frankly destroy our republic, which is what they tried to do last term.

[Benny Johnson]

So you are saying that Pam Bondi and I gotta tell you, I have sources inside of the Justice Department that tell me the exact same thing that Pam Bonnie was the victim of. Actually not going more scorched earth on the rot, the institutional rot inside of the Justice Department.

[Tom Fitton]

Yes, that the a mistake. And I'm not saying it's a, it was a, under, you know, completely out of the, it wasn't a forgivable mistake, but it was a really mistake that I think shouldn't have been made was presuming that the Justice Department could do what the President wanted it to do, which is to a investigate itself or its outside allies. And the new Attorney General, to the degree he or she is going to be asked to do that. And you know, who knows, it could be Todd Blanch, he could be, if, you know, effectively acting Attorney General for a good period of time and maybe even be elevated to the full time slot or, you know, the confirmed slot. To the degree the expectation is that he does all of that, whoever it is, does all of that in terms of prosecutions and investigations. It's, it's not going to happen in any way that is going to be pleasing to either President Trump or the American voters who wanted something different. And this is what I would recommend, is that you kind of take the Linda McMahon approach to both the FBI and the Justice Department shatter and scatter their powers as appropriate. There may be things they still need to do, but not with the tens of thousands of employees they currently have, make it nearly impossible for them to do what they did. Again, the only way to do that is, as I said, to kind of shutter large aspects of what is considered to be their current operational footprint. And the President should hire and supervise an outside special counsel to do what he's been asking Pam Bondi to do, which is to investigate and prosecute the welfare against him. The Justice Department, FBI, we keep on asking them to investigate themselves. And why are we surprised when it doesn't happen?

[Benny Johnson]

I had so many, so many people from inside of Pam's team and orbit and everybody sees the people who've been booked on this program and we have obviously, as you do, Tom, excellent sources inside of the doj. And they were just astonished at the institutional rot there at the deep state and its claws and how deep that they had entrenched themselves in the DOJ perhaps more than any other institution. And it was, like, almost comical how quickly USAID could be, like, scraped from the surface of the earth. Right. With just one fell swoop from Elon. You can get rid of that. But the entrenchment of the DOJ was just obscene, frankly.

[Tom Fitton]

Yeah. I mean, that you raise a good point. Where. Where is the doge for doj? And that's right.

[Benny Johnson]

That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So you think Pam is a victim of her own. Was. Was a institutional victim of the deep state cancer at the doj that is. That is entrenched in a terminal capacity to the point of you would need to actually go DEFCON 9, scorched earth.

[Tom Fitton]

I don't like to use the term victim. I mean, Pam was born yesterday. She knew what she was getting into, and the result was what it had was. Right. So she's got to take responsibility, and I'm sure she would, in part for not getting done what she probably wanted to get done. And her choices.

[Benny Johnson]

We've heard the story, you know, we've heard the story like, hey, let's charge James Comey. Let's charge Leticia, James. Oh, the DOJ just won't do that. They just refuse to do it.

[Tom Fitton]

Merrick Garland was referred for that.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

About.

[Tom Fitton]

That was literally. It was on a silver platter. There's no doubt. He. He refused to comply with the subpoena, and it was all to cover up that Biden tape that we obtained separately. Well, you remember, it showed that he was out of. You know, completely out of it. And so you had this contempt referral, and they never prosecuted Garland. I mean, so it would. It wasn't like they were even having. Being asked to stretch the Brennan charge is another thing. Either he committed perjury or not. What's. What's the. What's the issue?

[Benny Johnson]

Right.

[Tom Fitton]

What. What.

[Benny Johnson]

So what was the issue?

[Tom Fitton]

Okay. A year and a half.

[Benny Johnson]

So this is a great. This is a great question, Tom. This is a great question, Tom. Will you be Attorney General?

[Tom Fitton]

I will not be Attorney General. I'm confident of that. But I. I raised the point on Twitter yesterday, mainly, mainly to kind of stoke the fires of discussion, that you don't need to be an attorney to be Attorney General. Right. And. And I do appreciate everyone wants me to be. Not everyone, but there's a little boom. But people are mentioning me as a possible candidate for Attorney General position.

[Benny Johnson]

Sure. Oh, you mean me? You mean the guy you're on live with?

[Tom Fitton]

You know, Benny, you know, maybe you could Be Attorney General. Right. And I say that jokingly, but on the other hand, I think the President should kind of think about and, and there's good reason to have an attorney as an Attorney General. But, you know, the Attorney General position, as initially understood, was an attorney advisory to the President of the United States. That's not really the case anymore, even under the Justice Department, I envision. So he could have someone who's studied in the law, kind of. Frankly, any corporate leader would have sufficient understanding of the law in order to manage the Justice Department. So there are many good folks out there who aren't lawyers, who I think he should think about. Because when you're talking about the Attorney General position in the modern age, you're talking about an administrator, someone who knows the intersection of politics, the Constitution and the law, and someone who, in the end is always making political decisions and providing political advice. And, you know, the lawyers will say, oh, no, that's all legal advice. The Attorney General that makes. Well, you know, it's a mix. It's kind. You know, it's an interpretation of the Constitution, which isn't the purview only of lawyers. It's. Some of it has an attorney character to it or like character to it, but a lot of it is just, what is your policy going to be? And if this is the policy you want, let's make sure that the lawyers that we trust support it. But as Attorney General, I'll do my darndest to advance it the way we can under law. And I don't think you need to be a lawyer to do that in this day and age. And I don't say that to distract from who should be Attorney General. And it's likely to be an attorney, obviously, but this is the. What we need to do is think about the approach, Benning, what is the approach of the Attorney General going to be? What are the demands and expectations of the president? And I think the demands and expectations of the president. Respectfully, if I were advising President Trump on this, should be clean it up, shutter it. The left is promising to jail me, my family and everyone else who supported me. What can we do to ensure that isn't going to happen? How is it we shut down the abusive operations or the infrastructure that can be used quickly to abuse us? Let's make sure that's not there anymore, because that is not what the American people expect from this Justice Department. They expect the Justice Department to provide some counsel to the president, maybe engage in modest prosecutions and. Or litigation related to the federal government. But The Justice Department isn't supposed to be the ultimate agency in the United States federal government, and that's the way it is now. It is every policy you're concerned about is defended, promoted and, and implemented in no small measure by the Justice Department. Now, that might be good if you're, if you like a cons, if there's a President Trump and you've got a good Attorney general and such, but it's, it's the, it's an over broad power under our constitutional system that needs to be checked in.

[Benny Johnson]

Who do you want to see, Tom? You got to give me a name.

[Tom Fitton]

I don't, I don't have to give you a name. I want to see. Because the name is irrelevant. If you've considered what my issue is. Right. You could have Mike Lee, you could have Todd Blanch. As long as they're committed to the reform agenda I'm talking about. Because if they come in and it's going to be, I'm going to be Attorney General for two years and we may fire a few people here, we may have an investigation on the edges or a prosecution on the edges of some of the lawfare. But at the end of the day, when I leave, nothing substantially will have changed in the Justice Department so that the next Attorney general can't come, will be prevented from abusing power and throwing us all in jail, as they plan to do.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. And that's what people feel, Tom. That's what people feel like right now. That's what that was. The frustration, the frustration of this audience is that. Can we throw the clock, throw the comments on screen, please. Like, the frustration. Because I want everyone to see like the, the frustration of this audience, like, chat. What are you actually frustrated with? We're angry that there's been no arrests. I mean, there seems to have been no institutional functionary change. And some of the biggest black eyes presumably seem to almost be in a, from a, from a protectionist positioning of elite and, or deep state and, or connected actors. And it's been, it's been extremely frustrating for the chat. It's been extremely frustrating for the audience to watch, Tom. And that's, I think that's been the major frustration.

[Tom Fitton]

I mean, I hate to be the black pillar here.

[Benny Johnson]

Yep.

[Tom Fitton]

But it may be too late. I mean, let's say the Democrats take over Congress. I mean, Justice Department effectively will be frozen. So my blunt advice is prepare for the deluge. If you're a conservative supporter of President Trump, you've been public about it. You were a company that was deemed to be too close to the administration or not sufficiently oppositional. If you are the president or his family, any of his appointees, you should presume that what happened during the Biden administration will occur not only again, but even more aggressively and more intensely. So prepare to defend yourselves. You know, put away, you know, forget about saving for college, save for lawyers. That's how bad it's going to get. And unless, unless there is this, you know, Linda McMahon shuttered the education Department largely in, you know, in terms of history in 10 minutes. Right?

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fitton]

And it can to me, the President should even think more broad. Maybe, maybe the President should say, look, I'm going to hire you, but this is what I want you to do. I want you to be the one of two guys there at the end or two gals there at the end, and you just shut it. You know, when you leave, you close, you turn out the lights and there's no one else there, you know, and that should be Cash's approach as well. The FBI has, hasn't cut its staff to any great degree. Justice Department hasn't cut its staff to any great degree. I mean, some folks have resigned, but the absolute numbers are still significant. The infrastructure is still there. Cash has only fired 150 people or so. Others have retired or kind of saw the writing on the wall. But I don't know, I would expect more would be fired.

[Benny Johnson]

So this would be, and this will be my final question to you, Tom. But you know what you would say? You would say like if you were in charge of the Justice Department, I know you've just said your name is not in the running and you don't want to be aggressive, but if you were, what would, what, what the requirement would have to be the will to actually go through and gut the rot out of the organization, to do mass firings, to close down, like in a USAID capacity, Institute of Peace capacity, just like completely salt the earth of those who have committed injustice by using the Justice Department. This would be, this is the only approach.

[Tom Fitton]

You get back to the core necessary functions of the Justice Department. You know, I'm going to tell you a story. I was visiting, visiting the White House and I had a meeting with someone who's, you know, now seen as an anti Trumper, right, Who worked for the President at the time. And the meeting, term one or term two, Trump won. And he said, you know, and we were talking about whether these investigations would ever end. I said, they're never going to end, you know, and they were kind of shocked at that. And one of the responses was, you know, Tom, after all this is over, we got to think of a way to bring back the Justice Department into the government. And isn't that an insight? Because the Justice Department, for years the left would have us pretend is an entity that's quote, independent and outside the government. And you know, that's an extra or anti constitutional view. And the Justice Department's got to be reigned in and we got to figure out what its core functions are or which ones are needed, retain those or maybe even outsource some of them. But the justice department and the FBI. Look how many political appointees are at the FBI, Benny? My guess is like 12. You think cash and maybe a few of his top people are quote, political appointees of the President. Everyone. It's like the irs. Everyone there is a. Is a lifer.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Fitton]

I mean, you know that. They're just what? They're just Biden time. And the next group comes in and it's back to sending FBI agents into churches, sending them to my home.

[Benny Johnson]

I see what you did there.

[Tom Fitton]

Spying on. Spying on everybody and their mother who opposes the current, the then the new regime. These are, these are, you know, we dealt with it before, we'll probably deal with it again. But let's not be naive that, that the problem is being addressed currently. And I think the President sees that and that's why he fired Pam.

[Benny Johnson]

Goodness gracious. But like a little too late. You're right. It gets, it's, it's easy to black pill on the timing of all this. It's like you had, we had two years right to have sorted this out and we had to, we had to come in with it. You have to come in with a plan. But I mean as somebody who was able to see from the inside, I'm just not sure, I'm not sure there was a plan, Tom, to be quite honest. And to do this would have been a herculean effort and you have to be extremely strategic in it. Unfortunately, a missed opportunity. God bless you, Tom. Thank you for joining us. Everybody follow Tom Fitton. He's got millions and millions of followers here on X. You should be one of them. The man who may the next Attorney General. I don't care what you say, Tom, I'm going to keep hyping it.

[Tom Fitton]

Okay, thank you.

[Benny Johnson]

All right, see you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, we have Brett Tolman up live in just a moment, one of our favorite and absolute all time favorite legal anal analysts. Also a former DOJ lifer. He doesn't mind me saying that for life. I am going to be addicted to caffeine. That caffeine is going to be blackout coffee. You can see me drinking it today on the show because it's Friday. And we just want to let you make sure that we are rip roaring here. Blackout coffee is a great American company. It's made right here in the state of Florida by patriots who love their nation. They're not communist coffee. They're not grifter coffee. They're not people who turn on their values or attack people that are trying to simply defend themselves. Right. This is, this is a real coffee company that really loves our country. Go ahead and pick yourself up some blackout coffee today. Go to blackout coffee.com Benny use a code BENNY for 20% off your first order. That's blackout coffee.com Benny support American jobs and make sure that you have the energy to fight the communist. Ladies and gentlemen, somebody who's fought a lot of communists, not sure how he survived all the battles at the DOJ is Brett Tolman. Brett Tolman joins us live right now. Brett, do you agree with Tom Fitton's contention that the DOJ needs to be raised to the ground and salted of the earth?

[Brett Tolman]

Well, what, what I would say is, I listen to Tom. I understand a lot of and agree with a lot of what he said. But I, I would say this, Benny. The one thing that a lot of folks don't know is there was a plan. I was part of, I was part of the transition team and the beachhead team.

[Benny Johnson]

Please.

[Brett Tolman]

And there was a very thorough plan that was put together by folks like myself, a lot of former U.S. attorneys like myself, former assistant U.S. attorneys, former DOJ high level executives. And unlike what happened in the State Department with their plan and unlike several other agencies, the DOJ plan wasn't followed. And when I say wasn't followed. We made recommendations on internal gutting that needed to occur in order for the Attorney General to maintain the capability of implementing this administration's priorities. And, and, and I'll give you some specifics.

[Benny Johnson]

Wow.

[Brett Tolman]

It is long, it has long been the view of many of us that know DOJ intimately that the DAG had been, the DAG's office had been consuming power in Main justice for decades. What I mean by that is it was gathering in anytime the AGs, you know, the AG has a team and they delegate and they lead the various offices. What the DAG's office has been doing and, and largely comey was a major reason for this to have occurred. The DAG started to pull power in. They become, right now the DAG is, is the power core of doj. I've said it, many have said it. That's why it's so difficult if you don't change that for anybody coming in as AG to actually make the institutional changes that have to be made in order to have the politicals making the decisions at the top. You have over 100,000 employees, over 100,000 employees in the Department of Justice, 90% of which made campaign contributions to Democrats. Of all the campaign contributions made, 90 have gone to Democrats over the years. I think whether it was Pam or anybody that went in that job, if they didn't have an intimate knowledge of, of the complexity of DOJ and where the power central core is and, and where, where you're vulnerable and, and who's going to be, who's going to be undermining you if you don't have that? It is going to feel like every single day you're being attacked and you're being undermined and you can't implement what the president's, you know, what his, what his priorities are. And that's a little bit what happened. And it's not, it's not Pam's fault. It is, it is the entire executive leadership team that has to come together and make those significant changes to the structure and the personnel and who has what authority inside Main Justice. You and I have grown up with all these sci fi movies and things like that, and you see like, like Terminator or any of these others where the artificial intelligence starts to gather power and pretty soon it's the humans that are the ones that are the target. In a lot of ways, that's what has happened with doj. It's been consuming power and growing bigger and strong. And those that really want to get in there and accomplish justice and want to prosecute the bad guys and want to be politically neutral, they're the ones that have lost their voice and lost their authority over the last couple of decades.

[Benny Johnson]

So I want to, for anybody who's unfamiliar in this audience, is very familiar with Brett Tolman. But if you were unfamiliar, Brett spent 30 years at the DOJ, is one of the top prosecutors, is correct.

[Brett Tolman]

I have spent over a decade as an assistant U.S. attorney. I've spent almost 30 years working in the criminal justice system. I was five years as U.S. attorney. Yeah. I mean, it's been my life's passion. It's been my life's passion to fix the justice system.

[Benny Johnson]

You can't get, you can't it would be hard to find a better authority, frankly, than to have been Brett on this issue. And so take. Take his words with extreme weight here. However, there does seem to be something that is conflicting in what you just said, Brett. I can't square it exactly. You said that you put together a plan and you brought together a very sophisticated team, and you were part of that team to put together a plan to actually fix the Justice Department. What we were just talking about was that this plan, the plan to fix federal agencies, seems to have gone off quite well in places like the Institute of Peace, usaid, Department of Education, the Pentagon. I mean, it's been unbelievable what the Pentagon's been able to accomplish, this Department of State. To say that there is an immovable deep state and that nothing good will ever happen and nothing will ever change. That's not true. Actually, we've been able to see some remarkable changes. Again, Elon was able to salt the earth of usaid. I happened to just catch. I happened to be in D.C. at the right time to watch the letters come down. They were chiseling the letters off. I jumped out of my Uber, like,

[Brett Tolman]

I gotta get this.

[Benny Johnson]

It's like I literally jumped out of a moving car to go film them ripping the letters of USAID off. You can change DC with the right plan. You say it's not Pam Bondi's fault. I'm not, like, sitting here to be some huge hater or anything like that. Right. I want the truth. I'm not trying to scapegoat. But, like, it sure as hell sounds like. It sure as hell sounds like Pam Bondi didn't follow the plan. Is that correct? Like, it's like.

[Brett Tolman]

What I would say is. Yeah, yeah, I'll square it. What I would say is, sorry it has to be more than the AG if you don't have the AG and the DAG on the exact same page together. The infrastructure, the. The power and the authority inside Main justice is centralized in the dag.

[Benny Johnson]

So it's equally.

[Brett Tolman]

It is equally the response to the Attorney General. That's correct. Todd Blanche and Pambani. And. And, you know, this was an instance in which there were concerns. You didn't have Pam Bondi picking her deputy Attorney general.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Brett Tolman]

If you recall. If you recall the President or announced Todd Blanche before he did the Attorney General.

[Benny Johnson]

I work with an executive producer who I've worked with for a decade. His name's Alex. I pick him because I need somebody at my side that is constantly protecting what we're building here as a company. And so that seems crazy. Like, actually it.

[Brett Tolman]

It is. I think it's one big flaw. I hope it gets remedied. The next attorney general needs to also have confidence that the deputy Attorney general, that they will work well together, they'll be on the same page, and they will start to implement. And I agree with you, this is not just doom and gloom here. We do not have to go down the road of. Of, you know, never being able to change doj. The right two people in those positions can change DOJ like we've seen in other agencies. And if they're on the same page and they don't let anyone else, you know, undermine them inside the Department of Justice, they can do it.

[Tom Fitton]

So that's why it didn't get.

[Brett Tolman]

That's why it didn't happen.

[Benny Johnson]

This is completely fascinating, Tom. So, okay, so you were part of the team that put together a plan. You said that this is a plan that has. That your plan would be like, similar to the reform plans that were brought and executed in various other. Hey there. I'm Paula Pan. I help people make the smartest money decisions possible. Do not ever worry about your salary. You need enough to make sure that you aren't in a bad financial position. Once you have that, your salary becomes moot. What matters from that point forward? Upside, gains, any type of ownership stake or ownership potential. That's the money. Remember, you can afford anything. Just not everything afford anything. Follow and listen on your favorite platform, large federal agencies, and that your plan wasn't followed because there was a total misalignment with the Attorney General and the deputy Attorney general.

[Brett Tolman]

That. That is at the heart of what happened in this instance. The plan that they were handed was not just a plan of how to, you know, implement the president's priorities or anything like that. This was not. This was not policy. This was structural plan. This was authority plan. This was how do you reorganize the Department of Justice in a manner that would allow for the Attorney general and all those that are working for him or her are going to get on the same page and implement the president's priorities. And one thing that Tom said earlier, and I'll reiterate as well, it is not a bad thing, an unethical thing or an illegal thing for the Attorney General to be enforcing the priorities of the president that they serve. They are all part of the executive branch. We have gone down this road of Attorney generals have to be independent. No, that is actually what has caused the Department of Justice to believe it is the fourth branch of the government. And they are not. They are not. And the media has bought into it and the left screams it all the time that there has to be independence. No, there doesn't. They are both in the executive branch and the President is the head of the executive branch.

[Benny Johnson]

So why was, why wasn't Pam Bondi able to have an attorney general, deputy Attorney general that was at her side?

[Brett Tolman]

I don't know the answer to that, Benny. I don't, I don't know why the president.

[Benny Johnson]

I'm just following your train of thought.

[Brett Tolman]

I'm just remember loyalty is, is incredibly big. Right. To this president. Todd Blanche had, had been incredibly important in the defense of Donald Trump. On, on.

[Benny Johnson]

That's right.

[Brett Tolman]

A couple of the cases, criminal cases where, you know, the President was the target. I think he, he, he appreciates loyalty. I think he wants to reward that. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just saying I wanted to function positions. Right.

[Benny Johnson]

We wanted a functional justice system, you know, and we want, we had, I feel like we had, like this. We're always having these generational opportunities that we're swinging and missing on. And justice was a huge, you know, this seems like a big swing and a miss. You have Tom on here black pilling, saying we're all going to the gulag next. And you know, we've seen that. Right. And you know, it just, it sucks. I, like, I, you know, I, I guess what, like do you. With the. So, so one question about the past and then one question about the future and then, and then, and then, and then we're, we're moving on. The question about the past, what is it that got Pam Bondi fired?

[Brett Tolman]

Well, I don't think we know all of those issues, but I would take it. Everyone's talking about the prosecutions that didn't happen. Remember, there's also some prosecutions that were attempted and they flailed.

[Benny Johnson]

Yes.

[Brett Tolman]

The case against Comey, the, the Letitia James, the failure. These were not incredibly experienced prosecutors. This was not the kind of work that needed to be done when you're going to try to go after a very high profile target. So it's not just the absence of prosecutions, it's the combination of prosecutions that were attempted and didn't go well. But I think for the President, I think it's a simple thing. I think he wants those that came after him to get accountability and that, that seems to be where the President has very definitively described both in, you know, when he put out that, that truth on social media or His. His. You know, about Pam and what he was expecting, what he wanted. I think he grew impatient. And we can go back and forth about the reasonableness of the expectations of this president in terms of having DOJ actually do what we want. But it's a combination of many, many factors, like Epstein and the release of documents, the lack of prosecutions. The President hears it all the time. That. That we're fed up. We're tired of it. What can happen, though? What can happen is an AG and a DAG that come in that are on the same page and have the same priorities, they're not undermining one another. They're not. They're not, you know, and I don't know all the details of what happened with Pam and Todd Blanche or. Or any of that, but what I want to see is a powerful Attorney general come in who has a deputy Attorney general that they have selected, that they work together, and you can turn that organization around and you can start to see prosecutions that are done. Well. Will that mean appointment of special counsels? Possibly. There has to be something where the American public sees the Department of Justice has heard them, that they want accountability for those on the left that committed crimes.

[Benny Johnson]

Yes.

[Brett Tolman]

And when we would even accept that we don't get all the convictions we want, or we don't get all the individuals if the evidence isn't there. But give us some, right?

[Benny Johnson]

Yes.

[Brett Tolman]

Show us some. And go after him.

[Benny Johnson]

Yes, that's right. Rand Paul comes on this program, and he just, like, you know, whatever you think about Rand Paul, there is one point upon his portfolio that is entirely virtuous, which is that he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Dr. Fauci did lie under oath and did lie directly to his face. And those lies cost millions and millions of lives. I mean, arguably. And so he continues to bang on and on and on about how he sent those referrals to the Justice Department, and he can't even get an answer. He can't even get someone to, like, say, hey, you know, a read receipt. Right. You can't even get an emoji in return. And that. And that frustrates him, you know, and he's constantly on here, like, raging about that. And I have. I feel that, you know, I honestly feel that, like, what. What a w. For the. For the Republic. Right. Nobody likes Dr. Fauci. Everyone hates this guy.

[Brett Tolman]

I mean, we're talking about mass manipulation.

[Benny Johnson]

That's crucial.

[Brett Tolman]

Manipulation and. And fraud and behavior that put, you know, people's lives at risk. And I agree. And it's, it's only the tip of the iceberg though, Benny. I mean, look at how many individuals have abused their positions of authority in the last administration, in the Obama administration. And look, we know what Tulsi Gabbard has, has revealed. I want to see the real investigations go forward and will we see some of those? I think I'm still holding out hope that we will see a few of those, those high profile individuals getting prosecuted. I mean, how, how we haven't seen Adam shift, you know, being being investigated or the grand jury issuing subpoenas for, for documents and, you know, and there's others across the board. They have no problem on the left doing it. The right has always felt like they want to be restrained within their power and authority. And the left has always been wanting to abuse and expand their power and authority. And what has to happen on the right is you have to investigate those that have committed crimes and you have to bring those charges and, and don't do anything until you've done that.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, well, we see how that works out in history. Every single time where one side is unrestrained and uses power, we all become kulaks. We know, we know exactly what happens. And this seemed like a moment in time to like draw a line and say no more and we're going to shatter that. It just feels like wasted time. It's frustrating to me. It feels like wasted time and ineptitude. Whether it's the Epstein fi, you know, the, the Epstein files in aptitude or just sort of like the swings and misses on big prosecutions or just the lack of seeing the opportunity to say, you know, Dr. Fauci is, is very evil person and we're going to actually investigate this.

[Brett Tolman]

But look how fast it can change with the right, the right people. Look how fast it can change. Nobody thought the Department of Education when it was at its height of, of DEI and, and WOKE policies under Biden, I, I remember speaking to people and them saying this is, this is. It's never going to get better. It's always going to get worse.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brett Tolman]

It can change very quickly with the right couple of people in the AG and DAG position not working against each other is you.

[Benny Johnson]

You just, you know, life doesn't give you a ton of opportunities. You either take them or you just float down the river. Right?

[Brett Tolman]

Yeah, that's right.

[Benny Johnson]

That's right. So, you know, take them. Take them is what you know, take them. Why are we on this show right now? Why. Why does our. Why do I know our channels exist because we like you, you, you take action. What. What does God want of us? What does God always demand through the Old Testament new action. Take action quickly, swiftly, you know, do not run, you know, like be assertive and like stand and deliver and, and, and, and you're not guaranteed these options tomorrow, so like take them now. And so that's the sort of, the urgency of which I wish that the federal government ran. And we can't always get what we want. Tom, too bad. I'm sorry, Brett, too bad. But Brett and Tom Fitton, it's just such an honor to have a program like this. And thank you to the chat for giving us the ability to book an unbelievable guest like this. Everybody follow Brett Tolman. Brett Tolman is just the absolute master of this in this arena. I pr. I pray, Brett, not only for the downed fighter pilot. I pray that your. That your solutions and your remedies inside the DOJ are, are finally followed. Boy, I don't know exactly what they are. I certainly not smart enough, but I, I feel like we'd have a much better country if they were implemented.

[Brett Tolman]

Thank you, Benny. I agree.

[Benny Johnson]

Everybody follow Brett Tolman to make sure that, that, that the chances increase and that we increase power to those who are fighting for us. God bless you, Brett.

[Brett Tolman]

Thank you.

[Benny Johnson]

Brett is the executive director of Right on Crime. Go ahead and follow them as well. Just a shout out to Right on Crime. You can see their account right here. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to be welcoming on a patriot onto our show. Somebody who I'm really, really excited about. A really quick news break here though for just a moment and a conversation about other patriots. The patriots who run Patriot Mobile, the only Christian conservative wireless provider who has consistently and often and regularly given us the capacity to report to you from the field, from the great wide world of which we travel and are a part of. Patriot Mobile is an incredible company that believes in free speech. It's a company that's going to continue the fight. They fought with us through the darkest eras of, you know, Biden censors, Biden regime and well, now is the time of full disclosure. We're going to talk about that with Dr. Stephen Greer in just one moment. 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There are other reports saying that they have been exfiltrated by US forces and the pilots are safe and sound. If so, that's going to be a, that's going to be a wild movie. I look forward to watching that on, you know, HBO or whatever. Like that's going to be. This is going to be an insane, whatever's happening right now, it is going to be make one hell of a miniseries. I hate to be so, so curt about that but like something dramatic and daring is happening right now in across Iran. There are many reports about the pilot potentially already being brought back into the fold. Again, we don't know. We're not, we're not sure. So we'll see and we'll stay locked in. We don't know and we're not sure, which is why we ask questions about UFOs. UFOs are an alien and extraterrestrial life has been one of the, one of the greatest mysteries. You know, we kicked off this administration by seeing all these drones flying over New Jersey. Nobody ever gave us an explanation for that. Nobody ever gives us an explanation. Out of the blue, Barack Obama says that aliens are real, but they're not being held at Area 51. Well, that's weird. The next day, Donald Trump says he gave away classified information. He shouldn't have said that. Maybe I'll just declassify everything. Donald Trump then orders the declassification of all the UFO files. In between all that, various members of Congress come on our show all the time to say that they've seen classified, top secret, classified material that would change the world. Tim Burchett, Annapolina Luna. They are constantly on here saying that the vice President told us just a few short days ago that the UFOs are actually demons. Then the head of NASA just confirmed to us that he believes alien life exists. And then they're probably going to find it when they get to Mars. That's what he told us yesterday. Right, Told us that on Tuesday. So who's telling the truth here? I mean, goodness, Matt Gaetz just told us that there's alien breeding programs throughout the country and that the US Government has non human biologics. I don't know who to believe. I, I, I don't, I'm not calling anyone a liar. I'm just saying that this all seems to be happening around like some central plan. Maybe let's bring on an expert to actually talk about it. Dr. Stephen Greer. I just want you guys to understand, he is like the world's foremost authority on UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence and technologies and initiating peaceful contact with interstellar civilizations. He is, for 35 years, nearly four decades, Dr. Greer has provided briefings to senior government officials across the globe and done numerous media interviews. He's produced six feature film and documentaries on this subject. If you are interested in the subject, if you're just curious in this subject, or if you just like to bring all the threads together, you can't get better than Dr. Steven Greer, who joins us live right now. Doctor, it's an honor to have you on. I wanted to give a proper introduction. It's an honor to speak with you. I think I missed that, that Steven Spielberg just happened to be producing a, one of his first movies in a long time called Disclosure Day and that's out in a couple months.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

So yes, I guess I should have trademarked that when I started the Disclosure movement in the 1990s. But there you go. I mean, it's caught on. I mean, it is time for all this information to come out and, and you know, my uncle worked on the lunar landing project with the lunar module and I was a little kid when we put the first man on the moon. And I learned some things when I was quite young and, and saw some things when I was quite young. It was quite clear that we weren't alone in the universe and that it was the biggest cover up of what people call the deep state in history. And it's a dangerous secrecy being played. So we are at the breakout point of this coming to the public. The problem is the cacophony of different voices confusing the issue. And one of my biggest concerns is, with great respect for the Vice President, what was said on your show on Friday, last week, because people need to understand that advanced technologies which are interstellar are going to look like magic or supernatural. It is something they're not. They're Extraordinary, but they're not supernatural. So let's, let's take a little exercise here, Benny, for just a minute. Let's go down the road. Here is Thomas Jefferson's house, where I live. Yeah. If you were to show him your iPhone or this transmission, you would be a sorcerer. You'd probably be considered something from another dimension. You would be considered a ghost. You probably burned at the stake in Salem, Massachusetts for having an iPhone because it would be considered magic. So every technology of an extremely advanced civilization looks like magic. To a lesser one, it is not that it's supernatural or demonic. And actually when I was at the Vatican with Pope John Paul, senior theologian Monsignor Balducci, we brought this issue up because it was already out in the, in the atmosphere, let's say. And he said, and he was a demonologist. And Monsignor Baducci said, no, neither angels nor demons require flying saucers. And he started laughing and he was making the point that the technology and science behind this is really what confuses people because it's so exotic. And this is where you have to get into about 80 years of lost physics and lost technology that when people see these things, they're completely flummoxed. And first of all, 80% or more of all the UFOs seen are man made anti gravity craft. My uncle's company have them. Northrop Grumman, Milwaukee Skunk Works, Raytheon. We know who's building them, we know where the facilities are. And this has been handed off to the President and to law enforcement because it's a criminal operation. One thing that was getting very serious about this is that their senior law enforcement is aware and a task force, and I won't say who, that these have been illegal and criminal operations involving murder, abductions, embezzlement of trillions of dollars of funds over the decades and insubordination and treason. So it is a very serious issue. I think the President is waking up to it slowly because we have people who have been providing that information. This briefing document, which is a redacted version of what he has, you can all get a copy of on our website. But I would like to offer to you the unredacted version of it that's very sensitive for you to convey over to your friend Mr. Vance. But I think that because he needs to get read in on this properly before speaking about it too much. It's a very serious issue. And I will tell you, if this is disclosed improperly, it'll be a thousand times worse than Covid. And I think that when you're talking about the fact we are being visited by advanced civilizations, they are not hostile. If they were hostile, we'd be gone. But we have approached them very hostilely. We have literally downed at least a thousand or more of their spacecraft using illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons. And I know where they're being used and how they're being used. And we have captured those bodies, some living, some dead. And Mr. Gates was correct in saying that there are some gruesome programs being run by military where they've been trying to combine DNA of these creatures with humans, and they come out with these monstrous looking things that are used to abduct people. So everyone's here, alien abductions. It's not the extraterrestrials doing it. It's not a covert human program. And we know this and we can prove it. So this is a huge story. It's the biggest scandal in the history of the United States and its founding. I think for our 250th anniversary, we should be liberated from the secrecy. And these extraordinary technologies that could benefit all of humanity need to begin to be looked at, to be brought out. So that's what we're doing with the disclosure project.

[Benny Johnson]

Doctor, there's so many follow up there, I don't even know where to begin. Let's just perhaps, let's start at the beginning. You began your comments by saying that you saw things as a child with your family who was working on the lunar programs, and working on those programs were classified. So assuredly your family had classified access to some top secret programs.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

It was just my uncle working on the lunar module. Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

What is it that you saw that that started this process for you?

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Well, it was not. It was a coincidence, if you believe in coincidences, which I actually don't, that I saw a UFO when I was 8 or 9 in the sky near our home in North Carolina. I grew up in Charlotte, North Carolina, but he was working on the lunar module in Bethpage, New York. That's where Grumman was that built the lunar module, landed on the moon first time. So. But I also heard things because it's aerospace and it's the aerospace industry. And when I became a young medical. I'm a trauma doctor, emergency and trauma. I began a process of pulling together a lot of whistleblowers. And this was in the early 90s. We now have over 750 whistleblowers that I have debriefed who have been in top secret positions. CIA, Department of Defense, aerospace, other corporations. And so we have A huge archive on this and we're distilling that into the briefing materials for members of Congress and White House. But I think that we're completely a private non governmental entity and we're self funded by contributions. But our purpose is to fix a quiet coup d' etat that happened around the time I was born in the late night I was born in.55. So in the late 1950s, Eisenhower lost control of these UFO related programs because he wanted to make peaceful contact with these civilizations, but also begin to bring out the energy technologies that would terminate oil. Our whole mess in the Middle east is because we're still dependent on oil, but we haven't needed it since I was born. And I think that this is an enormous macroeconomic and technology story much more than it is about aliens. Those civilizations from other star systems are simply concerned about our proclivity to destroy the planet. Right. And to fight each other. And as we started going out into space, a big red flag went up. And you know where they said, well, we better watch what's going on here. But they're by no means hostile to us. I think it's the other way around. I think they're more concerned about our hostility. But see, this coup d' etat that happened under Eisenhower never got fixed. President Kennedy tried to, and I can assure you that is why he got killed. Wow. Same thing with Marilyn Monroe. I have a document that's pretty much her death warrant from the CIA dated a couple of days before they found her dead because she was going to hold a press conference to tell the whole world what Jack Kennedy had told her about the objects from outer space that were recovered in the 40s. A clear reference to a couple of the accidents or downing of UFOs back in, in the mid and late 40s. And it's a, it's an official CIA document now. It's not been declassified. I've released it because my team determined, speaking of Department of Justice, that these programs are treasonous and illegal. And because they're illegal, we have every right to release that information. You cannot use the National Security act to keep something secret if the program is itself treasonous.

[Benny Johnson]

So your contention is that advanced civilizations have visited this earth and this country using technologies that would seem like magic, that would seem out of our right out of our, out of anything that we could possibly imagine. And that, that the U.S. government has shot them down.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Well, compartmented operations under. Working under us top secret cover, but illegally have done so. See, and this is where you get into a very quick discussion of, of how I reach this conclusion. In 1993, I'm working as an emergency doctor in North Carolina. I was flown up to brief the director of the CIA for President Clinton because they had began to look into this and they were blocked. And they knew they were being blocked and they knew that there was a head man, sort of a coup d' etat that separated the oversight of the Congress and the President and White House over these super secret projects. And when I first was invited to the meeting, I felt that was ridiculous. I didn't believe the FedEx I got said they cannot get information on this and they're being blocked from getting it. And I said well the President has an all access pass. And my contact said oh no he doesn't. And so that's when I realized we were in a huge amount of trouble here in terms of our governance and what people call the deep state. This is the crown jewel of deep state activity is the UFO issue. There's no question about it. Why? Because of the technology. I mean the technologies that we have studied and reverse engineered and put into deployment for surveillance for aircraft that fly at 100,000 miles per hour, make a right hand turn without decelerating. Those are hours. If you saw on CNN and Fox News that Tic Tac that everyone saw, that's a Lockheed Skunk works device. It was not alien and yet it completely confused our military command because those guys had not been read into those programs. So there's the left hand doesn't even know the right hand is doing and it is dangerous. The other problem is that those technologies have been used in false flag operations to sort of deceive political leaders such as Mr. Vance and the President, but also the people in Congress. For example, what Mr. Gates said and what Mr. Burchett recently said on a news show is information I received in the 1990s about these weird looking creatures that are not extraterrestrials but they're man made monsters like a Frankenstein monster. That and this sounds like science fiction, but it isn't. That have been used to have on board man made UFOs. We mastered gravity control in 1954, the year before I was born. And so the problem becomes if you have that kind of technology and you're a psychopath or a sociopath that view yourself above the law and the constitution, you can run amok and do it. A Scientist I know, Dr. Jacques Vallee has a CIA document describing in 1985 using man made UFOs reverse engineered from real ET ones to abduct Quote, peasants is what it says in Brazil and Argentina in 1985 for its psychological warfare value. So you see, I'm afraid Mr. Vance was the victim of a psyop, and this is one of the big psyops, or psychological warfare operations, is to convince people that, well, they don't exist at all. That was it for decades. Now they do exist, but they're a threat to us, which they're not. And if that isn't good enough, they're not aliens at all, but they're demons working from the right hand of Satan, which is not true either. So they're trying to push forward agendas to sort of deceive our leaders and the public. And they keep changing what the deception is. But the main narrative is they will tell you anything but the deception truth. So what we have to do is get to the bottom of the truth. And the best way to do it is through these hundreds of whistleblowers who work in those projects. Now, so far, Congress has not called any of them to testify. The ones they've had are secondhand or minor whistleblowers. We have people I'm working with who are operational at black sites, covert sites, where they are doing these activities. We where they are doing these human experiments, where they are downing these ET craft. I know them personally. I've been in their classified choppers. I was almost killed after I got back from one of those trips in a mysterious accident. I had to have four surgeries. I was critically injured. But what I tell people is that this is a huge story, and it's not little green and gray men. It's really about a covert program that got out of control in the late 50s and is still out of control and is the greatest threat to national security. The secrecy around this subject far exceeds the dangers of China, Iran and Russia because it's the enemy within its covert programs in our country that have these technologies and they have used them criminally for decades. Now. The good news is, because of actions not so much in Congress or the White House yet, but by certain law enforcement entities that are confidential, that organization is on the run. And. And they know that we know who they are. And I'm not going to sit and list a bunch of names right here, right now, but we do need at some point to have an Attorney General who will begin to make quite clear people should be prosecuted up to an inclusive treason for what they've been doing and are doing. And I think that this is a very serious matter because when you have, like when I briefed the CI director for Clinton and later the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. They honestly had never been read into this. And I was the first person to do it. I was taking my time away from my medical practice and my four little daughters and I'm nobody. I have no clearance. I don't want a clearance. I don't need it. Same thing when I was at the Senate Intelligence Committee, Skiff, you know, to get information from Mr. Rubio and, and Warner, who were chair and co chair of Senate Intelligence. They didn't have any information. Now they do, but it's because we have stitched together, you know, the information from nearly a thousand whistleblowers and that's what we're providing as a briefing. I would offer that to you, you and to, to Mr. Vance. It looks like he's quite interested in the matter.

[Benny Johnson]

It does. And I think that his, his interest is earnest and in good faith.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Yes, I agree 100%.

[Benny Johnson]

And, and okay, so, so to just to reiterate, just so that I'm tracking with you. Right, Because I'm simply being educated on all this. Right. Sort of as we go and everybody can, you know, sort of see the bricks that are being. At least we're asking the question. So okay, so there is a splinter group. There's a, there's a. Your contention is that there is a splinter group that is, that is funded by the federal government. So everyone has to have funding, right? That, that has some type of, that has operational control over alien technologies and operates outside of constitutional bounds altogether in order to keep those technologies and perhaps even use them in criminal ways. And that the vast majority of the federal government, if, if anyone in the federal government's even read in on this and that they, that we have reverse engineered alien technologies and we're just starting to scratch the surface right now.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Right? And here's the issue is that they're not just getting funding from the black budget of the United States. For example, they may say a B2 stealth bomber which my uncle's company, Northrop Grumman built. Built in reality. They'll, you know, they'll say it's $2 billion a comp a copy, it's probably 150 million. The, the rest goes through the back door making the triangular UFOs people see that's a Northrop Grumman platform. There's a Raytheon one that's similar. Now some of the other shaped airfoils that are anti gravity are Lockheed Skunk Works. And we know where these are being built and how they're being built. So I think that now that's the biggest part of the secrecy. Now the actual extraterrestrial vehicles are even more exotic, but we're reaching almost parity. In fact, the men that I've worked with who are on the retrieval teams after they knocked down an extraterrestrial vehicle using an electromagnetic pulse weapon at these black sites out in the desert have told me that the ones we have have become so good that they're almost indistinguishable. You have to really be an expert to know the difference. The danger of that is that those man made ones have been used in false flag operations to make made to look alien. And so let's say you're the commander in chief, Atlantic Command of, you know, the submarine fleet, Norfolk, and I, this is the case I was involved with. And there was a UFO that comes in and you scramble jets and fire upon it. Well, he thought it could have been from the Soviet Union. This is in 1980. It turns out it was not one of the Soviet Unions, but we almost went to World War III over it. And this admiral, four star Commander in chief, Atlantic Command was not read in. Now that's dangerous because just in terms of military chain of command, you have people, for example, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, whom I briefed, he had no information on this subject, even though I had whistleblowers in the DIA Defense Intelligence Agency who were working on these illegal black projects. So the thing, it's a bigger mess than the DOJ that your previous guest was talking about by far, but. And it's a dangerous one.

[Benny Johnson]

So I'd like to. I'd like to just simply show some of the evidence that has been presented from our US Military, because what you're saying here is very easy to discount, Doctor.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

It's.

[Benny Johnson]

You know, people can just say, you're insane, right? You're crazy. You have, you have no proof.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

But this is.

[Benny Johnson]

We do have proof, and I'd like to get there. This is something that was played, of course, in Congress. This is the footage that we find that we are obsessed with. I know there's plenty that we could obsess over, but why not just jump on this one? This is an object that's hit by an M9 Reaper drone with a Hellfire missile. The most sophisticated weapons we have that we know of. Right now, the object clearly breaks. First off, the object's traveling with insane speed over the ocean. It breaks into multiple parts, almost like it's organic in nature. And then it reforms Those parts then become independent, and then they coagulate once more. And this is from our. This is from our American. This is American military footage, right? That is being played. And as far as I know, it is not been manipulated whatsoever. It's played at a congressional hearing. Anna Paulina Luna's on. We trust her, along with the other members of the committee. What's going on here?

[Brett Tolman]

What is this?

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Well, that is actually both of the. Both items in this video are man made. The one that people think is a uap. Well, it's a UAP to people who don't know what it is. It's one of ours, but it's a classified. And so it was a friendly fire incident. And. And a lot of people don't realize that we have technologies covertly that simulate or very close to what extraterrestrial technologies are. And this gets into a big problem because you have a full send.

[Benny Johnson]

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[Tom Fitton]

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[Benny Johnson]

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[Tom Fitton]

I want to get a lot of guests on here.

[Benny Johnson]

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[Brett Tolman]

We said 10k, right? 10k.

[Benny Johnson]

All right. We probably bet more than all the other golf channels, right?

[Brett Tolman]

10K.

[Benny Johnson]

Nine holes. Those guys bet for, like, cookies. Feel like I'm gonna shank it. This guy's been trading like a Navy SEAL when it comes to golf.

[Tom Fitton]

I'm very, very excited.

[Benny Johnson]

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[Dr. Steven Greer]

situation, like I was talking about earlier, where you can. The confusion and the fog of an evolving event like this, you can make serious mistakes. And. And this is why there's almost like two parallel governments going on here. There's a very secret operation that goes above the normal u. S. Chain of command. And the people who are read into that are people part of this, I hate to say criminal conspiracy until recently. And. And then you have the part that's the legal U.S. government. But that Congressman Burleson, who I know and have been providing a lot of information to, as well as Luna and Burchett and others. I knew about this before it was shown, and I'd seen it before it was shown, and I immediately said, well, this is not an extraterrestrial or an alien device that both of these. Both, of course, the hellfire missile, but Predator as well as the object is man made the Tic Tac that everyone heard about that got released. That was all in the news. As I mentioned, we have multiple military. We have a. We're going to do a national press club event. You're invited to come on May 28th. And we're going to have a Green Beret there. I'm sorry, on May 8th. May 8th. And in Washington, it's the 25th anniversary of our first one that launched the whole disclosure movement in, in 2001, that event. We're going to have a Green Beret there that's going to disclose the Tic Tac, that UFO that, that started a lot of the mainstream media looking into this. And he saw it while he was on a special operation in the Middle East. We have other witnesses to it. And so this kind of upsets people because everyone's thinking all these things that they're looking at are alien. And in reality, a lot of them are illegally run covert human, human military and aerospace programs. The center of gravity though isn't in the government. It's corporate. And this is the other thing people don't understand. You do have people in government who are complicit, but it's largely corporate. And this gets into a big problem with some of our largest defense contractors who have operations that include wetworks, where people who have begun to leak things are threatened or have been assassinated. So this is being looked at criminally right now because there have been people murdered for blowing the whistle on some of these programs.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, we've heard about some of these. You know, people have been on to talk about these disappearances. Tim Burchett was on last week talking about these disappearances. So was Matt saying that this certainly looks like a criminal conspiracy to silence people. I want to talk about something that was said very publicly that seems to align with exactly what you're saying here. And just to be clear, I don't know what's real. I have no idea. We just have a earnest and good faith effort to simply ask the right questions and not be scared of asking questions. No one should be scared of asking questions about this. But we had a big question about Dr. Krastios first address here on April 14, 2025 to the nation. And he gave this big address and he said something that seems to align almost exactly with what you. You are saying here about anti gravity devices or alien technology. Says our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. Huh?

[Tom Fitton]

What?

[Benny Johnson]

Huh? Well, can you demonstrate that for us? Exactly. They leave distance Annihilated oh, so there's no such thing as distance anymore. So that means there's no such thing as like, like matter and time anymore. And they cause things to grow and improve productivity. Well, what does he mean by this? You know, in the very same day President Trump says we have weapons that nobody's even heard of, that nobody even knows what they are, is what President Trump says. And then, and now you're on my program saying that we've just reverse engineered alien technology, our defense contractors have reverse engineered alien technology and that they're, they're doing test flights across the country. They're, they're actually using it. Our military is firing on it. Is this what they're talking about?

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Yes, but you know, unfortunately it's more than test flights that are used in operations. For example, there's a section of these, this covert cabal, let's call it, that are using these devices in human trafficking and child trafficking and human experimentation. And these are the man made UFOs. So this is another big area of investigation right now. It's going on quietly. But it's important that people understand that not everything that goes bump in the night is ET or an alien. A lot of it that people are concerned about and that would lead them to think that the aliens are a threat, are actually man made objects and man made creatures. It does begin to sound like science fiction. But again, imagine what you have. If you have had 80 years. 80 years and the most brilliant scientists I have ever met on Earth working in black projects, studying technologies that are thousands of years more advanced than a B2 stealth bomber, what you're going to come up with. The problem is those same technologies cure cancer, fix the environment, and eliminate the need for costly energy for America and the world. That same technology can be misused in the wrong hands. And this is why it is of the utmost national security importance. And then we have made this point to everyone that I have met with, from President Clinton, CIA Director to now. Unfortunately, no one's ever wanted to do anything about it till recently. And luckily we do have good people like Mr. Burleson and Burchette in Congress. And also I know there's very serious investigations going on in law enforcement and the White House on this now, and they're trying to do the right thing. My concern as someone who's dealt with this for too long, frankly, in my own private life, it's been very disruptive, 35 years of this, is that if it begins to come out as demons and goblins, or if it comes out as a threat. It's better that it be kept secret. I mean, the consequences to the human species would be devastating if it came out improperly. And so words matter and concepts matter. Now, there's one other thing I haven't talked about, and that is the third category of phenomenon that people are seeing is neither man made nor extraterrestrial. It's from another dimension. And the things from another dimension, meaning that is their origin. Extraterrestrial vehicles to go across the vastness of space, transfer through dimensions. We don't have time to get into the physics of it. But think of quantum entanglement, where every point in space and time is instantly related. But when you go, quote, beyond the speed of light, because you're basically teleporting in a quantum entangled propulsion system, you are transecting another dimension. And that is why people could confuse it with something like a demon or a ghost, because there is an overlap of phenomenon, but only superficially. It's actually scientific because that's what quantum entanglement is. But on a macro scale, you're moving an entire spacecraft or huge object across the vastness of space, and we understand this. Now the, the bigger question is, are there things that are popping in from another dimension? You know, people talk about Bigfoot or ghosts or poltergeist. Yes. But that shouldn't be confused with extraterrestrial biological entities with spacecraft and travel systems or communication systems. Nor should the man made ones be confused with the extraterrestrial ones. But right now it's almost like a doctor I use this medical analogy that if someone came to me with chest pain and I'm a lousy doctor, I'm going to say it's a heart attack. Well, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a dissecting thoracic aneurysm. Maybe it's a pulmonary embolus. Maybe it's a whole bunch of things, right? So a bad diagnostician would just jump to conclusions. And I'm afraid that's what the public is beginning to do. And we have to be careful that our leaders not jump to false conclusions because the consequences are serious.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay, so could you explain to me if you had a lock and a key and you were able to actually open up these black boxes and show the American public what these technologies are.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Yes.

[Benny Johnson]

What would we find out? What would we, what would we see? What would. What does anti gravity look like? What are some of the systems, weapons, travel or otherwise that have been created in these skunk work programs? What have you heard what are they building? What have they built?

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Well, I know what we've seen and I know what the people my team who work on them have, have seen and are working on them. Because I that my team, I have a very deep bench of whistleblowers. And we're not talking about people who just incidentally saw something. My people who are operational at these black sites and those folks have shared a great deal with us. So, you know, before he died, Ben Rich, who was president of the Lockheed Skunk Works, which is their super secret engineering division, said to a friend of mine, a very well known aerospace historian named James Goodall, he said, look, anything you have seen on Star Trek or can imagine, we have already in the Lockheed Skunk Works. It's not at Area 51, it's an old facility and it's out in the desert and I've been to that facility. So you have objects that are man made that are discovered, spherical, triangular and other shapes that can go from hover to 2,300,000 miles per hour instantly. And that's man made. And we have multiple at the National Press Club on May 8th in Washington D.C. we're going to have people who have been there when those have been operational, who will be testifying to it. So you're welcome to come and you can broadcast from there if you'd like to. But I think that those technologies are quite advanced now, the extraterrestrial ones, those get into a whole new category where they could be visible in front of you and shift resonantly and be invisible. And it looked like they're going back and forth from being solid to not solid. And this has been studied. Some people call it a cloaking mechanism. It's not correct. It's a resonant frequency where the matter of the whole craft can shift out of this dimension so it disappears in thin air. And we know that Colonel Corso described that when he encountered one at White Sands in 1956. But we have teams that we deploy out and we've observed the same phenomenon. So the extraterrestrial vehicles can range from a very small device a foot around like a sphere, up to objects that have been measured in space. I'm aware, out in our solar system of several hundred miles across, that Lockheed official told me about out by the Saturn back in the 90s when we were doing the Cassini probe or early 2000s. And so they're very large to very small and they're of all shapes. We also know one of our whistleblowers who unfortunately has passed away. He was on a retrieval team and they, when he was on it, they had cataloged 69 different species of ETs that all look different from different planetary systems. And that was as of the late 60s. And Sergeant Stone and he was on one of those retrieval teams. We have another man who has just come forward, but he was threatened. His whole family was threatened. That's why he didn't go to Arrow or provide information to Congress directly yet. We're actually calling for law enforcement and the Congress to start issuing subpoenas because we have some wonderful people who need a subpoena to be required to speak, and they will under oath. But I think that this man encountered one that was about 300ft across, almost looked like a big clamshell and it had been hit by a EMP weapon and, and kind of didn't crash, was floated to the ground, but above it was a man made triangular Northrop Grumman ufo. That's ours, that was keeping it in check. And it's quite an extraordinary story. And we have so many of these whistleblowers who have been operational and we're trying to get now one group of them have terabytes of video and images of both the biologics, they're called the bodies, as well as the craft. And before the inauguration they were going to come forward, but they were convinced not to. And we do know that in a skiff where one of the aerospace giants there was open discussion about using Wet works or targeted assassinations against those guys. So we're urgently trying to get them protected and they have been handed over. And I have introduced some of them to members of Congress, a few select and I've introduced them to law enforcement for their protection. But you know, again, I can't provide that. You know, they need federal marshal and they need witness protection in many cases to be able to do this safely. So they and their families are protected. So I mean, this is a very serious business that we're doing. It's disturbing, but I can the good news, here's some very good news for the public once this gets sorted out and the White House and the Congress can figure out a path to bring this information out properly, if it comes out properly, the golden age that the President speaks about will be completely possible. You know, within a generation. There'd be no poverty, no pollution, and quote, free energy for every person on the earth at no cost. Zero cost. That's what we're talking about. Because the energy systems that run these devices, there's no rockets. There's no fuel, there's no jet. It's a type of physics that deals with zero point energy or the quantum vacuum. And this is where it's estimated in a coffee mug, within that space of a coffee mug, there's enough latent energy to boil off all the oceans of the world. It's called the zero point energy field. Tesla called it the infinite energy field. I don't know that it's infinite, but it's vast. And so that technology, which is how you run these craft, they're not running with a nuclear device on them or jet fuel. And we can prove that. You hear no sound, you hear no rockets. Well, it's electromagnetic propulsion, anti gravity. But the energy system is also a very advanced magnetic field energy generation that doesn't require a fuel source. And so you're looking at a total revolution industrially and how the world lives. You know, I have 11 grandchildren. The world they'll be living in will be so different from this world we're in now that it'll barely resemble it, you know, which is wonderful. Now here's a, here's a caveat. We've recommended all the way back to the Clinton administration that the lifter, the anti gravity propulsion systems not be disclosed or released until the world is more stable. Because those can be a missile delivery system. But the basic energy generation that would run your car or run your house or your factory, those need to come out immediately. And so that's something that we're recommending that there be a technology transfer out of these black projects, but it be phased and there are multiple phases. The other part of it is that there are medical, I'm speaking here as a doctor, and some things I've seen in a covert underground facility that would be extraordinary for medicine in terms of treatment, that are related to the same area of physics and those would revolutionize medicine. Those need to come out. So there's a, there's a constellation of technologies that need to begin to come out, but some of the more advanced ones that deal with propulsion. You really don't want a terrorist in Mogadishu to have an object that can deliver a dirty bomb over Washington D.C. in two or three minutes. Right? And this is what you're talking about. You're not talking about a missile or, you know, Artemis going to the moon with a rocket. It's a Roman candle from the 40s, right? That's all these rockets are. I mean, they're 1940s technology with fancier computers. But these technologies that deal with propulsion, we're going to have to have a global collective security agreement that those can only be used for peaceful purposes. But you know, we've never achieved that. We've never disarmed our nuclear. We have a, you know, an armed camp on this planet. Look at what, what's going on now in the Middle East, Ukraine, elsewhere. So the world is not quite stable enough in my opinion to release publicly. We can acknowledge we have them just like everyone knows we have a hydrogen bomb. You can't go to the hardware store and buy one. You can't let those proliferate until we become more stable. But the energy generation systems should be out, should have come out 100 years ago.

[Benny Johnson]

So doctor, we, we're very short on time here. I have so many different follow up questions. I guess the one that comes most prescient to mine because I feel like we've covered some good territory here is the non human biologics. You say there's various different species of ETS that we have and have you ever seen one? Like what do they look like? Do people have photos? Do you like, do you have photos of this? Like do they.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

We have a few photos from our expeditions where we go out and attempt to make direct contact with them and we have succeeded in doing so. People can look at the movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind and you'll be astonished. And we have a new one out called CE5, the new frontier of Contact where we have some amazing evidence. But I do have some photos of one of one being dissected on a slab that was given to me from facility. It was actually in a woman's grandmother's book that she had taken from a secret facility where Roswell is, where the Roswell event happened. And I have that photograph. We have other video and photograph of these but you know, the ones that are really good are being held by these covert whistleblowers who want to bring them forward, but they want to do it safely.

[Benny Johnson]

That's my problem Doctor, is like, you know, you have people on like Tim Burchett, we love him. Anaplane Luna. And they can, they, they kind of like just wink and nod about the stuff that they see in a skiff. They wink and nod about this stuff but nothing ever comes out. Nobody ever sees anything. The footage that you get is grainy. The footage that you get is from, you know, from a, you know, a drone, right? And it's black and white and you can't really tell what the hell's going on.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Well, go to our archive, you'll see much Better than that. It's called dpiarchive.com this. It's the disclosure Project Intelligence archive. And you'll see the photo we have crystal clear ones, videos, images. They're in there because people aren't looking. Now, here's what I think Secretary Hegseth is supposed to release all that, but, and that's what we need to be sure that he has access to the right people. I will tell you that through the chain of command in the Pentagon, he is unlikely to get. He'll probably get more fiction than fact. And this is why what we're trying to do with the Disclosure Project and our whistleblower group is to provide that information to the policymakers and the ones who are constitutionally approved in Congress and also the executive branch to get this information. But within the system. My concern is, I know already they're being provided a lot of false information where they will show a case that says, oh, this is, this is an alien did this and someone had brain trauma. Well, it wasn't, it was actually one of our own covert programs and they're scapegoating the aliens on it. And if you're new to the subject, you're not going to know the difference. So they need subject experts in there. I mean, I think that the White House and the Congress need to start reaching out to subject experts like, like our team, but also our whistleblowers. They need to pull those folks in and get them debriefed and have this material turned over from folks who are, instead of a secondhand or fourth hand source, you need to bring those people directly in and debrief them and get the evidence from them. And I think that's what Mr. Hegstadth is going to have to do pretty soon.

[Benny Johnson]

We appreciate your time, Doctor. We love having just a good faith discussion and to probe the mysteries of the universe and to talk with people who, you know, you've spent 35 years on this subject. And I think it's like, I think it's critical to sort of like, try and bring the threads together. Ultimately, you know, what we want is a peaceful, clean, functional nation that is a good future for our kids. You have four daughters? Is that what you said? I have four children. That's what every, that's what every parent wants. And I guess I have no idea what UFOs. I guess I have no idea. Right? Like, like how this all shakes out. There is something clearly. There is something clearly out there, right? And I, you know, I'd like, I'd like, I I suppose, you know, I'm a Christian. I, I, God is a, is the creator, right. And the creator can create. And so I don't, I guess I don't see this as a misalignment whatsoever with my belief system.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

And well, I, I was talking to Charlie Kirk about that. I was on his podcast not long before he was shot and, and about, you know, at the Vatican, I remember they were telling me and they came out with a statement that yes, there's life all throughout the universe, but they're all children of God just as we are. And I think that's the correct way to perceive it. And although they may look different and be different sizes and different cultures and different everything, they, they certainly understand the existence of a supreme being of God and they are created as part of the natural universe. This is why, you know, Mr. Vance needs to understand they're not demons. That's something else. That's from other lower dimensions. But they're people. I call them people. They just look very different. And I believe there are probably hundreds to thousands of civilizations out there. How many we've had contact with, I don't know. But I do know that there are some and they're very much concerned about us. But I think when we become more civilized, let's say, and peaceful and have this golden age, they're going to reach out directly. I think in the future we'll have direct open contact. That's what I see happening. But we have some work to do first as a people and as a civilization on earth. And we need to fix this illegal secrecy dysfunction that has distorted the issue for 80 years.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah. Need to stop disappearing. Our UFO experts.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Yeah, well, I have no plans to disappear.

[Benny Johnson]

Do you know any of these guys? Do you know any of the. We've heard like that. There have been quite a few disappearances.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Yeah, I know of. I think the one that is in some question is the one on that you're showing there, General McCaslin, because that guy was very involved Wright Patterson Air Force Base in these covert and very dark programs. We know this and we don't know if he disappeared himself perhaps. Now remember what I share a little bit of a bomb here. There is law enforcement closing in on some of the criminal operations. So some of these in his case, we don't know if he was made to disappear or if he disappeared himself. This is an open question. I don't have the answer. We have a team of people investigating it though, who are very skilled in military matters that have left the military and are working with us. Us.

[Benny Johnson]

Dr. Stephen Greer, ladies and gentlemen. I hope that you'll be back on the program. Enjoyable to speak with you. Everybody follow Dr. Steven. You can follow him here if you want more updates. He has nearly 300,000 followers here on X. Just one of the premier experts on this issue has devoted the vast majority of his life, frankly, to. To studying this. And we appreciate you. We appreciate you. Yeah, well, it's going to take me a while to process this, quite frankly.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Yeah, I know it's a lot. It's a bit. Drinking from a fire hose. Well, you know, I was just in St. Petersburg, Tampa last weekend. I wish I'd gotten to see you. But when I get down there, maybe we can get together something.

[Benny Johnson]

That would be. That would be very nice. Yes, that's right. I'd love to do an in person.

[Brett Tolman]

Yeah.

[Benny Johnson]

God bless you. Thank you very much and have a glorious weekend. Good luck. Good luck on the disclosure. Disclosure day.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Don't worry.

[Benny Johnson]

You and Steven Spielberg, May 8th.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Hope you can be at the National Press Club May 8th.

[Benny Johnson]

We would love that. That'd be fun. That sounds like a lot of fun, actually.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

It will be fun. Yeah. You should come up.

[Benny Johnson]

Thank you, doctor.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Thank you. Have a good day.

[Benny Johnson]

All right. That we're going to actually get True disclosure here from the federal government. And by the way, like, I, I just, I like, how can you, how can you deny people like, who have such a passion like that? I don't know. I mean, listen, I don't know the answers. I'm not here to like, sit there and like, like force down anyone's throat what like, what the answers are. I'm a Christian. I know that to be the truth and the way and the life. I know that Christ is king, but I know that the mysteries of the universe I can't understand. And I know this, forgive me. I know this, that every single time they send some little submersible down to the depths of the ocean, they find stuff that absolutely looks more alien than any aliens in any Hollywood film. And so, I mean, those things are real. That's real. And God created that too. Right. So who am I? You know? So approach life like that. Approach life like that, with humility. And the things you don't know, you'll have a better life, actually, instead of like, haughtiness and assuming that you know everything, those are the most miserable people at every party. And they're also always wrong. They're the ones who are always making horrible mistakes.

[Dr. Steven Greer]

Right.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay, here we go. Will the US confirm that aliens exist. Hmm. By September, by December 31st. Right in time for Christmas. Let that have it on Chris. Let it have it on Chris. This would be our luck. Let that, let this be our Christmas surprise. Yeah. Okay. 70% chance. Okay. We'll see if Dr. Greer has anything to do to say about it. Let's do our much needed verse of the day. By the way, there is. Alex, there's no confirmation about the pilot. Is there, is there any confirmation about the pilot? Nothing. Anything else? Like, like I don't have time to monitor the situation while I'm live on the stream. Let me know, what do we, what do we see here? Check in on X real fast. We've been praying one of the American crew members has been successfully extracted following the fighter jet shoot down over Iran. This is channel 12. This is an Israeli channel 12. One American crew member of the downed jet has been rescued. Reports that one of the crew members has been downed that was down has been rescued. So that's what I'm seeing at the top of my timeline.

[Tom Fitton]

Wow.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay. President Trump has been briefed on the downed US 35 US F15 correction in Iran. CENTCOM statement is expected soon. There we go. CENTCOM Statement expected soon. US crashed air. US Air Force F16 CJ is flying out of Iran or Iraq airspace. Universal code for general in flight emergency indicating the crew is dealing with a serious issue. Could this potentially be that they have the pilot. They had the pilot aboard perhaps needing medical attention. Makes a lot of sense. One of the us pilots rescued after us forces. This. So you have the, you have here. That looks like a. Let's hear it. You can hear the, the roar. Play from the beginning, please.

[Tom Fitton]

Okay.

[Brett Tolman]

All right.

[Benny Johnson]

Okay. Thank you. Like, unbelievable. You know, you've never seen it. You know how huge these planes are. You know they're flying that low because heat seeking missile missiles won't hit them at that angle and they won't be able to track them unless you have like a high heat signature in the atmosphere. And so they're flying that low because in order to avoid heat seeking missiles, allegedly that is the rescue flight. Allegedly the pilot is in that rescue craft. Who knows? Like listen, don't, like, don't, don't, don't trust anything on these issues. Who knows? I don't know. I know that we must pray for these pilots. Now this is of course all, all of the, all of the news now is breaking here. AP up 13 minutes ago. US has launched a rescue operation in Iran. Okay, so now it's being that, now this is being widely reported. Again, we covered for you that this was something that was being denied by centcom. President Trump has now been briefed on it. CENTCOM will be releasing a statement soon on this. So it's real life. You hate to see it. You hate it, you hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I've been very open about my thoughts on the Iran war. You can, you can hold your principles close at hand, which I do. And I believe that it is a. I believe it is critical for this administration to focus on the domestic issues in this country. I believe that potholes on your street being fixed is far more important than making new potholes in Iran. I don't want to see American men and women in danger. I do not want to see $4 gas prices. I want to see cheap groceries, cheap housing. I want to see, well, maybe free available energy, infinite forever. I would love to see that alien technology, whatever, but I want to see domestic policy wins. That is what we have been fighting for on the show and we are not going to give up that fight. However, I am a three time Trump voter. I believe in the America first movement and I'm not going to sit there and try and sabotage Republicans in the midterm like a jackass, like some, like someone suicidal just because I got my feelings hurt. No, I know what the left is capable of. And whatever's going on right now, it is going to be far worse if they seize unified power again of our government. It's going to make the Biden years look tame. And that's the way it always works, right? Clinton. Obama made Clinton look tame. Clinton looked like a frickin Republican at this point. And then Biden made Obama look tame. And then. So what's going to happen next? See the acceleration, you know, acceleration happening here. Pray for the health and safety of these pilots. Ladies and gentlemen, I pray for your health. Armor is an incredible Colostrum brand that I use. It is in my coffee. It's something that I use to when I'm on my like fourth or fifth cup of coffee, right? You put some colostrum in it. It's really like excellent for you by the way. It's like nature's original blueprint for health. Colostrum is packed with 400 bioactive nutrients that help fortify your gut health, fuel fitness, recovery and strengthen your immune system. You are bombarded with silent threats like processed food, artificial light and modern stressors that disrupt you and weaken you. Make sure that you are using armor to stay locked in. My audience receives 30% off their first subscription order. Go to armor a rmra.com benny go to armor.com benny today for 30% off. Okay, I guess a little bit of a good news. You got good job numbers that smash through expectations. US payroll grows by 180, 78,000. That's good. Obviously the unemployment rate fell to 4.3. Perhaps it's time to just wrap up this war and get focused entirely on the UK US Economy. We will. The entire nation turns on whether gas is at $2 a gallon. When were we doing these shows, Klein? We were doing these shows, like, when, Like January where I was asking, like, what people's gas prices were. It's like December and January and there were a ton of people in the chat that were saying their gas prices were below $2 a gallon. We had multiple stations in Texas, stations in Colorado that had below $2 a gallon gas. That's how you win most people. I care a lot about the Epstein files. Like, most people are going to really vote. And obviously I'm not trying to give a pass here on the way the Epstein files were handled, but like, most people will vote on what is the price of gas? What are the price of groceries? Can I afford a house? That's it. Do I have a job? So focus on those things, please. I beg of you. I beg of the administration. I'll say it. Every single show. Okay, John 3. 16. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. So whatever life may exist out there, whatever God has created, and he has created all manner of creatures. How many species are on the. How many species are on the earth? How many specific species are on the earth? How many species of fish, bug, mammal, bird? 8.7 million different species. I mean, how many subspecies are within. Like, what would even be the right way to ask that question? How many. How many. How many different types of animal. How many different types of animals are on the. I mean, like, so God created, without a doubt, many millions of types of animals and, like, specific types of animals. Right? So, you know, I feel like we're totally entitled to ask questions about, well, God's. God's creation. I'm not even including plants. 7.7 million animals, different types of animals. 7.7 million different types of animals alone, and then hundreds of thousands of different types of plants. Come on, come on. You can ask about, like, the creativity of God and what is the grand design? And what matters to me ultimately is not understanding those mysteries. Because there's going to be so much stuff that I don't understand. I don't understand the vast majority of it. It's going to be salvation in my faith, my faith in the Christ, the Lord. He is the way, the truth and the life. God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son. Whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. That's the only life you should really care about. Okay, we kind of care about extra stress, relative life too. But like, when it's all said and done, this is what you'll be held to account for. So lock in this weekend, spend precious time with your loved ones and make sure that you're asking all the right questions and that you have the right answer. And that. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the answer. Crisis King. May God bless you. And this is still the greatest country on earth. Pray for these pilots. It's your boy, Betty. See you.

[Brett Tolman]

You wanted to see me, sir? Pam, I'm reassigning you to a more exciting role. You're going to love it.

[Tom Fitton]

What do you know about piloting F15 fighter jets?

[Benny Johnson]

What? Nothing. I can barely, barely drive.

[Brett Tolman]

Pack your bags, Pam.

[Benny Johnson]

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