The Tom Homan Interview: Fighting Demons With Mass Deportations

Summary

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The Benny Show — Episode Summary

Episode Title:
The Tom Homan Interview: Fighting Demons With Mass Deportations
Date: April 23, 2026
Host: Benny Johnson
Guest: Tom Homan (U.S. Border Czar, former ICE Director, immigration and border-security policy architect for the Trump Administration)
Recording Site: Baylor University event, Texas

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode centers on a high-energy, in-person interview with Tom Homan, a key architect of the Trump administration’s border and deportation policies. Johnson and Homan discuss the aggressive ramp-up in border enforcement under Trump 47, contrast it with the Biden years, and delve deeply into the moral, practical, and emotional dimensions of mass deportations and border security. The episode is both a rally for conservative activism on immigration and a candid, personal look at the toll and motivations behind this controversial agenda.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS

1. Setting the Stage: Trump’s Immigration Wins and University Backlash

• Benny shares atmosphere from the Baylor event: Big student turnout despite university pushback, attempts to shrink or cancel event, left-wing protest described as “astroturfed” but minimal ([02:39]).
• Framing: America’s “common enemy” is the “Marxist left”; need to “hype more wins” on immigration.
• Cites stats: under Trump, border crossings & asylum grants have plummeted, deportations and arrests up 28% ([00:17]-[02:35]).

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2. Homan’s Mandate Under Trump 47 – Mass Deportation & Child Recovery

• Benny introduces Homan as “the man who’s overseen more deportations than any border czar in human history” ([02:35]).
• Homan’s three Trump tasks: Secure the border, execute mass deportation, find 300,000 missing migrant children released under Biden ([08:16]).
• Details new resources: 10,000 new deportation officers, doubling ICE force ([08:16]).
• Numbers: Border described as the “most secure in history.” Crossings down to ~116 per day from 12,000 under Biden, “zero releases” for 11 months ([09:38]).
• Child recovery: 146,000 of 300,000 missing migrant children found, many rescued from trafficking ([09:38]-[12:56]).

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Notable Quote

• “President Trump saved thousands of children from sex trafficking and forced labor. This is the greatest president in my lifetime…. We'll run down every single lead until we find every one of them... I'll be involved in this until the day I die.”
  —Tom Homan ([10:17]-[12:56])

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3. Personal Motivation: Homan’s Reasons, Experiences, and Faith

• Why Homan does it:
  • Shares vivid, traumatic stories from the border—child victims of rape, deaths from smuggling, cartel brutality ([13:21]).
  • Emotional toll: Personalizes tragedies by recalling his own family and direct encounters ([13:21]-[18:39]).
• Faith & Duty:
  • Prays nightly for agents, victims, and those being deported ([21:23]).
  • Recent friction with Catholic church leadership after criticizing the Pope’s statements on ICE ([21:23]-[24:17]).

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Notable Quote

• “When you secure the border, you save thousands of lives. Under President Biden, mass illegal immigration is the most inhumane thing you can do.... A quarter million Americans died from fentanyl that came across that border.”
  —Tom Homan ([16:01]-[17:54])

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4. Debunking Media Narratives & Addressing Rhetoric

• Homan addresses criticism: Denies ICE/Border Patrol have raided churches or schools ([24:17]).
• Vilification in media and by politicians (“Nazis”, “racists”): Both Homan and Johnson push back on these labels, claim they endanger officers ([42:00]).

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5. Policy and Accountability—Biden/Mayorkas vs. Trump

• Homan & Johnson allege the Biden admin purposely dismantled proven control systems for political gain ([26:55]).
• Explicitly calls for charges of “treason” against Mayorkas and other Biden-era officials for the “national security crisis” ([26:55]-[32:24]).

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Notable Quote

• “They sold this country out for future political power. And in my mind... that’s treasonous.”
  —Tom Homan ([29:40]-[32:24])

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6. Ilhan Omar Immigration File – Will Trump Move?

• Johnson pushes on rumors of Ilhan Omar’s immigration fraud; Homan confirms her file is under review but offers no details ([33:18]).
• “Stay tuned... It’s in good hands.”—Tom Homan ([33:18]-[33:55])

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7. Audience Q&A & Practical Impact

Key Q&A Excerpts and Answers:

• Biden vs. Trump enforcement:

  • Increased infrastructure (planned 1,416 miles of border wall), more detention beds (100,000), expanded ICE force, focus on deporting all those in the country illegally, beginning with “public safety threats” but reaching further ([36:40], [48:01]).

  • “If you’re in the country illegally, we’re looking for you and we’re going to arrest you and deport you.”
    —Tom Homan ([48:01]-[50:48])

• Limits of Executive Action:

  • Homan insists permanent change needs legislation, warns that any future Democrat president could reverse executive orders ([38:55]).

• Legal Immigrants Feeling Left Out:

  • Homan distinguishes between legal and illegal immigrants, commends those “doing things the right way.” ([71:25])

• Faith, Family, and Legacy:

  • Benny and audience discuss the foundational role of Christian faith, traditional family, and patriotic legacy. Benny credits Charlie Kirk’s mentoring for his own renewed faith ([64:07]-[66:49]).

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8. Reflections on the Risks and Costs

• Homan addresses the Alex Preddy case (controversial ICE shooting):

  • Declines to pre-judge, emphasizes thorough investigation and accountability ([60:23]-[64:07]).

• Benny argues for “America first” in foreign policy, especially against influence of any foreign lobby, including Israeli, in shaping U.S. war decisions ([75:29]-[79:30]).

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9. The Cultural and Civilizational Stakes (Closing Discussion)

• Extended discussion on “what it means to be American”:
  • Benny rejects view that anyone can become American (“not everyone on Earth can be American”), emphasizes shared language, values, and Christian heritage ([50:48]-[55:20]).
  • Warns about importing “incompatible” cultures/practices via mass immigration ([55:20]-[59:42]).

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MEMORABLE MOMENTS & QUOTES

• On his life’s mission:
  “I’ve talked to young girls as young as nine years old… raped by cartel members… their lives ruined. The things I’ve seen have changed the man I am.” —Tom Homan ([13:21])
• Building the wall:
  “…By the time [Trump] leaves office, we’ll have 1,416 miles of wall… it saves lives.” —Tom Homan ([36:40])
• America First:
  “America first means my American children first.” —Benny Johnson ([77:25])
• Benny on culture:
  “If you wouldn’t want to live in the country someone comes from, why import their culture here?” ([55:20])
• Handling Accusations:
  “If you let [the haters] affect you, they win. … When I get up in the morning and read a hit piece, it’s like throwing gas on my fire.” —Tom Homan ([42:10])
• Personal faith journey:
  “God’s design for your life is to be in that marriage with those children… that is the way to accelerate and structure your life.” —Benny Johnson ([66:50])

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IMPORTANT TIMESTAMPS

• [08:16] Homan outlines Trump’s “three assignments”
• [10:17]-[12:56] Homan’s personal commitment to finding missing children
• [13:21]-[18:39] Harrowing stories: why Homan returned; the toll of border work
• [24:17]-[26:12] Homan rebuts media/liberal criticism of ICE tactics
• [26:55]-[32:24] Discussion on accountability for Biden officials, border policy as “by design”
• [33:18] Ilhan Omar immigration fraud file status
• [36:40] Long-term impact: border infrastructure, expanded ICE workforce, more beds
• [38:55] Why change must become law, not just executive order
• [48:01] Mass deportation strategy and priorities
• [64:07]-[66:49] Benny’s testimony: faith, family, and Charlie Kirk’s influence
• [75:29]-[79:30] Israeli lobby, Iran policy, and American priorities
• [71:25] Legal immigrant asks about feeling “cut in line” by illegals

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TONE & DELIVERY

• Benny’s tone: Combative, motivational, culture-warrior energy, frequent appeals to faith and tradition, frequent humor and bluntness, occasional self-deprecation.
• Homan’s tone: Blunt, emotional, mission-driven, often somber when recalling trauma, unwavering in defense of border/ICE agents, occasional humor.

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SUMMARY

This explosive episode offers a raw, deeply personal, and sweeping case for Trump-era immigration enforcement, as told by one of its chief architects. Tom Homan details the practical, moral, and emotional stakes of mass deportations and restored border security. Benny Johnson contextualizes these issues in the broader conservative struggle, with frequent attention to faith, national identity, and culture. Key moments include Homan’s moving stories of border tragedies, his fierce refutation of media/liberal criticism, updates on ongoing investigations (inc. Ilhan Omar), and audience exchanges that reveal the controversies and passions of current immigration policy. The episode concludes with a strong exhortation to keep the border fight front and center—and to cherish America’s cultural and spiritual inheritance through personal faith and family.

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For listeners: If you haven’t caught the episode, expect a high-adrenaline clash of policy, personal conviction, and culture—punctuated by activist energy and emotional testimonials from the front lines of America’s border battles.

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Transcript

[Benny Johnson]

So much for fixing my porch. Handy Manny. And with the lowest prices in town. Stand back, ma'.

[Tom Homan]

Am.

[Benny Johnson]

We're deporting this illegal hombre back to Taco town.

[Tom Homan]

Illegal.

[Benny Johnson]

What's up, guys? Good morning. Today is April 23, 2026. It is a Thursday, and I'm stuck at an airport in Dallas, Fort Worth in my hotel after a rowdy night last night in Waco, Texas, Baylor, where the kids went ballistic for border czar Tom Holman. Don't think for a second that America is done yet. I'm going to show you some things that will inspire you, lift you up, and will hype some wins from the Trump administration in a time when we really need to start talking about that more. And it's something that is my major takeaway from the event last night. Having worked with Charlie for close to a decade and having built with him, he was constantly optimistic and he was constantly wanting to bring factions together. Charlie was the man who brought Elon Musk together with Donald Trump. Rfk. He fused that relationship. JD Vance, by the way, I asked about Ilhan Omar's immigration status and some of the files that the Trump administration has on Ilhan Omar last night with Tom Homan, and we'll get to that. Believe that this is something that we need to do more of. We need to hype more wins. We need to talk more about our common enemy, which is, of course, the Marxist left. No, it wouldn't be better if Kamala Harris was president right now. No, we wouldn't have a better country. We certainly wouldn't have a secure border. Look at this. These are the asylum rates and acceptance rates under Biden versus Trump, down 99%. This is the population of foreign born criminal aliens in our biggest cities dropping through the floor. These are the numbers of deportations, criminal arrests on the street, self deportations. Look at this. Up 28%. Asylum grant rates have plummeted and the border is effectively closed. Tom Holman told us last night that the border has had 12 people show up at it. Yesterday, the kids were cheering for Tom Holman. It was a blast. It was really neat to be able to actually get some time. This is a speak with them appreciation post. This man has overseen more deportations than any borders are in human history.

[Tom Homan]

Damn str. Thanks, B.

[Benny Johnson]

Appreciation. And the kids, in spite of Baylor University trying to shut us down, the kids showed up in mass. It was a packed house and it was inspiring. I wish to share that with you because we need to do more. We need more uplifting. It's Something that Charlie was always constantly about and something that Turning Point USA truly demonstrated last night, even though, again, the university tried to shut us down. Beautiful USA chance. Again, the university didn't want this. The university effectively canceled the event, canceled 4,500 tickets, wouldn't let anybody in the event except for students, and then moved the venue to a much, much smaller auditorium. Again, they tried to move it off campus entirely when we wouldn't let them. They then immediately approved a grant for left wingers to show up and protest our event. Here's how that went, by the way. It's always who you think it'd be, right? It's, it's always, take away the paychecks from USAID and George Soros and you get nobody here. It's just the homeless person sleeping in the corner. There's nobody here. Every person here is a paid activist with a little yellow vest on. Every person here. It's all fake. It's all astroturfs. As fake as the Virginia election yesterday. This is what the left wing protest looked like. Yeah, okay. How can you hate from outside the club? You can't even get in. It was a total and complete blast. Again, I will play you the full and uncensored interview with Tom Holman in just one moment. We do want to really lock in for the midterms. The country is at stake. It is important that we continue to follow in the footsteps of Charlie and continue to uplift. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to try and do on this program before we get there, our partner for today's show, Venice AI. Stop giving your data when you are searching or using AI to these creepy companies that will log it and hold it forever and maybe use it against you. Venice AI is encrypted, end to end security, so you know that everything you are doing on an AI model is in fact secure and that will never be stolen from you. Venice Pro Plan unlocks everything the platform can do. It includes features like limitless text, unhindered image generation. It's easy way to experience Venice at its full power. Venice utilizes open source AI models deliver text, code and image generation for your web browser. There's no downloads, no installation, nothing. Unlike other platforms, Venice is private, uncensored, your messages encrypted and your conversation history stays in your browser. Because AI should be a useful tool without costing you your privacy. If you want to use AI without fear or handing over your intimate thoughts to a corporation or government, you can get 20% off the pro plan by using my link. Venice AI Benny use the code BENNY and enjoy private, uncensored AI Venice. AI BENNY. Use the code BENNY and enjoy Private, Uncensored AI also, of course you know that we're on the road and so Patriot Mobile will be in our back pocket. Every single day. Americans make choices to shape our country's future right down to which cell phone provider they support. We talked a lot about Christendom last night at Baylor University as a, you know, formerly Christian university, I guess you could say. But they don't support freedom of speech. Patriot Mobile does. They are the only Christian conservative wireless provider. And the best part is that their premium Service on all three major networks can get you connected today, Junior. Better coverage, backed by 100% US based customer support. Get unlimited data plans, mobile hot spots and international roaming and more. When you make the switch to Patriot Mobile, you'll support a company that helps fuel Christian conservative causes. Patriot Mobile's values take a stand today. Go to patriot mobile.combenny or call 972 Patriot. Use a promo code BENNY for a free month of service. That's patriot mobile.combenny or Call 972 Patriot to make the switch today. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make the switch over to Tom Homan at Baylor University. Our interview. A rowdy house, lots of fun. The kids wanted their borders are. They were fans of their. They were fans of their borders are. Borders are. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, here we go. Tom Holman. What a g. He's got like this, he's got like this person, right. It's good, it's nice when the Persona sort of like matches the position. Tom Homan is the man who's a huge fan of Tom Holman here. Yeah. And the incredible numbers that he's been putting up. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for being here with us.

[Tom Homan]

Oh, happy to be a huge fan. And TP usa. God bless you. I mean, you're going, you're going. As Benny said earlier, you're going to change the trajectory of this nation.

[Benny Johnson]

I just set you up with some of these incredible chart asylum rates crashing through the floor like I think perhaps historic lows certainly in our generation, in every lifetime of every person here. Deportations, arrests, up. The administration is actually doing what they promised on this front and I want to get sort of your landscape on how the first 18 months have gone when it comes to the enforcement of the, the vision of Donald Trump on immigration.

[Tom Homan]

Look, we're doing great. We're, we're setting historic records, but we got to do more. And now that we hired, we're process hiring 10,000 new deportation officers, which doubles the size of the deportation force. You think it was good this year, wait till next year? No, but when President Trump called me, I was actually. Actually, this is the second time I came out of retirement for the president. My wife's still pissed off, but I was sitting at the dinner table, my phone starts buzzing. It says, potus. My wife looks at me, she goes, oh, my God, you going back? I said, well, let's see what he has to say. So he called me up, and first thing he said to me is, you've been bitching about him for four years. Wanna come back and fix it. How do you say no to that? Right? So he said, I want three things. I want you to secure the border. I want you to oversee a mass deportation operation. I want you to find these 300,000 missing children that Biden released to unvetted sponsors that were missing. Those are three things he gave me. Look, we're doing great. Most secure border in the history of the nation today. Never been more secure than it is right now.

[Benny Johnson]

That means a lot to the people of Texas. Right? Everyone in Texas has got a story.

[Tom Homan]

Look, everybody in Texas during Biden years, we're dealing with some days, 12,000 people come to the border. Yesterday, 116. And everyone was turned around. So zero releases from the border in the last 11 years. Deportations, you know, together ICE and Borv Churchill's got a little more. 800 ICE loans, about 600, which is an historic record. The biggest year before then was in 2012, when Obama had at 409,000. And I was actually given award by President Obama for deporting so many people. But they don't want to admit it today, but historic deportation numbers. But we need to do more. And that's what we're focused on this past year. We need to do more. We got a lot more to find. But as far as the kids, because of President Trump's leadership, he promised American people this, and I promise you this. 300,000 missing children because of President Trump, we've already found 146,000 of them. And that's 146,000 children the last administration wasn't even looking for. And were all of them in danger? No. Some of them with families, hiding out. They don't want to be deported and they don't want to go to immigration court. But many, too many were involved in forced sex trafficking and forced labor. People want to say this administration is inhumane. President Trump saved thousands of children from sex Trafficking and forced labor. This is a great president, greatest president in my lifetime. And I'll end it with this. Me and the President talked about this just a few days ago. We're going to run down every single lead on these children. Problem is you all have a footprint. We can find you. You have a car, you pay mortgage, you pay rent, you got utility bills, you got tuition. We can find adults because they got a footprint, digital footprint. Children don't have a digital footprint. So I told the President in that first phone call, we'll secure the board. Done it before and do it again. This time we'll kick the Trump 45's asked and Trump 47 is going to break no records. We can, we can have a mass deportation operation. We got plenty to find. Because of the four years of open border, the children are the most difficult because they don't have that digital footprint. So we have to count on the digital footprint of the sponsors, the unvetted sponsors. And what we've learned is many of the addresses provided that weren't verified by the Biden administration are parking lots, grocery stores, schools. So hsi, Homeland Security investigation, along with the FBI is working really, really hard. And they found 146,000. But President Trump has made a promise. We're going to run down every single lead until we find every one of them. And, you know, unfortunately, about a dozen have already died either from natural causes or some violence. About 12 of these children have died. But till the last day, President Trump's in the Oval Office. We're going to run down every need now, make another promise. I'll be involved in this until the day I die. I want to find every one of these children. And so it ain't just administration thing, it's a home.

[Benny Johnson]

So many follow up questions there, but I just, I can't help myself. What is it in you that brings you to this level of conviction? Because you just said, till the day I die, I will be going to find children that may be from Guatemala, Honduras. They might not even speak your language, probably don't. But you are devoting your life to this. Why?

[Tom Homan]

Because of what I've seen the last 40 years of my career. I started in Borto in 1984. I wore that uniform. I was an ICE agent. I was the first ICE director who came up through the ranks. So the things I've seen in my career have changed the man I am. I mean, I've talked to young girls as young as nine years old, nine that were raped multiple times by members of the cartel as to pay for passage to come into the United States. When you get on your knees and you talk to nine year old little girl. And everything you look in her eyes and everything in her is dead. Her life is ruined forever. It's just you just your heart breaks because she will never be the same. That little girl should be playing with dolls and having the time of her life, but she will never be the same because she had grown men crawling on her, taking everything innocent, pure from her. I've stood on back for tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens that died baked to death. Including a five year old little boy that baked to death and begged his father not to let him die. The other witnesses said he begged his dad, I don't want to die, I want to see mommy. That little five year old was getting baked to death in back that tractor trailer knowing he was dying. And when I went to that crime scene, I had a five year old son at the time. That old boy is wearing the same underwear my little boy had. That messed me up for a while. Fortunately, we put all those 14 scumbags in prison, got every one of them. But things like that, running operation Ice Storm in Phoenix, Arizona where smuggling organizations were smuggling people in. They put them in a stash house. Other smuggling organization would go there armed and rip them off. It's like ripping off a dope load because these aliens worth more than dope, so they're ripping them off. Then when they take control of them, they call the relative up and say, okay, we got your brother here, you owe us $20,000. And the relatives say, wait a minute, we agreed on 10,000. Well, it's 20,000 now. You're going to pay it. We kill them. And they did. Bodies were piling up and they were actually calling relatives up saying if you don't pay the fee, we're going to torture. And they would put them on the phone and the relative will listen to this person being tortured. And so a lot of things I can go on for next two hours, things I've seen in my career. So look, I love kids. It broke my heart and a lot of things I've seen and that's why I came back second time for President Trump. I want to see what I could do to only not only secure the border. People need to understand when you secure the border, you save thousands of lives under President Biden with historic mass illegal immigration is the most inhumane thing you can do. 31% of women that make that journey get raped. 31% admit it. So 31% admit it. How many actually got raped? Children were getting sexually assaulted. Children were dying over. Under Biden, over 4,000 aliens died making that journey. An historic record. A quarter million Americans died from fentanyl overdose that came across that border. An historic record. A historic record of national security cases. President Trump, Trump 45. We had a total of 14 people on terrorist watch list arrested on southern border under Joe Biden. Over 400. So every day in that four years, the president was right. I was pissed off for four years. Every day I woke up and I said, and I was thinking to myself, how many children died last night? How many Americans died last night? How many young girls got raped last night? How many billions of dollars did the cartel make for four years? I woke up pissed off. So when I got an offer to come back, and come back. But what drives me is the things I've seen in my career. And I wish the people who hate the Border Patrol and hate ice, the members of Congress and the Democrat side of the House, I wish they wore my shoes for 40 years because they'd have a different opinion on the patriots of the Border Patrol. The men and women, the Border Patrol men and women of Iceland love them. They're the finest young men and women this country has because they put themselves in harm's way. When I lay in bed, I think about when I was a border patrol agent. 3:00 in the morning, you got a Border Patrol agent standing on a dirt trail in the middle of nowhere because the sensor just went off. Okay, is that just illegal ambulance looking for a better life or is it a heavily armed drug smuggler? They don't know. But they're gonna stand there and take it on while we're sleeping in our bed safe at night. I'll be sleeping at 3am unless the President calls me, wake me up loud. Well, at 3:00am While you're sleeping, there's a green uniform standing on a dirt trail someplace protecting this nation. Men and women, ice, they strap a gun to the hip every day and wear a Kevlar vest. They'll go after illegal aliens, criminal illegal aliens, national security threats, at the same time being called Nazis and racist by members of Congress and mayors and governors. It's disgusting. But you know what? They keep getting up every day and doing the job, so God bless them.

[Benny Johnson]

Have you ever seen the movie Sicario? Sicario?

[Tom Homan]

Yes, I have.

[Benny Johnson]

Is it real? Is it like that?

[Tom Homan]

Realistically real? Yeah, I just might watch that movie. Whoever wrote that movie and produced that movie did an excellent job because what

[Benny Johnson]

you were describing reminds me of scenes from the movie in some of the brutality and evil.

[Tom Homan]

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[Benny Johnson]

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[Tom Homan]

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[Benny Johnson]

I hear they're making a sicario too. I hope that they cast Tom Homan. I don't know if they will but I hope that they do. What is. Now I'm just curious because I'm so glad that I asked that question about your personal experience. A last personal question. I'll ask you what is your relationship with God? Because you see so much evil and you quite literally battle some of the darkest evil that can exist in humanity on a day to day basis. And not only that you, you actually, you see It. Most people don't see it. You see it.

[Tom Homan]

No, no, I do. And like, you know, I. I honestly in this, God is my witness. Every night I go to bed, I pray for the safety of the men and women of ICE and the BOR Patrol. But I also pray for the people we're looking for and the people we're saving, even the people that we go to the streets to look for. Illegal ambulance. I want them to be sent home. I'm in the export business, and I love it, but I don't want to see anybody die. So I pray for everybody every night. But right now, I'm in a little trouble with the Catholic. I'm a Catholic. I'm in a little trouble right now because I called out the Pope and because they want to weigh in and him and three cardinals weighed in the other day about how cruel ICE is and how we shouldn't have shut the border down. Well, as a lifelong Catholic, baptized, first communion, confirmation, I love the Catholic Church, but you know what? They're wrong. Secure border saves lives. And get this. If you go to the Vatican and jump their wall, the penalty is about three times. It is here. But we're not allowed to secure our border. Then they want to bad, you know, attack the men and women of ICE because they're listening to the fake stories, right? I've been up on Capitol Hill. We stopped about two weeks ago because I got sick of going up and the president got tired of negotiating on reopening dhs. And, you know, okay, you guys need to stay out of central locations. Churches, schools, hospitals. I said, first of all, we do, but there is no sanctuary for a national security threat or significant public safety threat. There's no sanctuary here. And we'll go. We gotta go. I said, but name one instance, please. Name one instant where we went into a church to arrest somebody. Give me one. Give me one. We went into an elementary school to arrest a child. Give me one. Give me one. Time we went to hospital. Arrest somebody. This is a false media. This is the media lying to the American people, trying to vilify ice. The only people that violated the sanctity of the church was Don Lemon and his group. They're the only ones who violated search so. And that's why there's so much rhetoric, and that's why the American people don't understand what ICE really does, because there's so much false information. And I made a challenge. Give me one case. We arrested somebody in the church or hospital. So there is fear in the immigrant community. Most of that fear is being driven by the left that want to vilify the band and wait of vice. And for any member of Congress to go on TV or testify and use the words Nazi, racist, white nationalist, you know, secret police. If we're the racist for enforcing the law, what's that make them? They wrote it. We're not making this stuff up. So you know what? We'll keep fighting them. We'll win. We'll win. The message, President Trump wins every day.

[Benny Johnson]

Is this your invitation to the Pope for a ride along with ice?

[Tom Homan]

Yes. And I said that. I said I will sit down and talk to them because they're talking about something they don't understand. Again, I'll explain to them what happened in the Biden administration. An open border is most inhumane thinking, Duke. When you make a promise to the world like Biden and Mayorkas did, you can enter your country illegally. It's a crime. Don't worry about it. We're going to release you within 24 hours. We're going to give you an airline ticket, an air ticket to the city of your choice, we're going to put you in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night, we're going to give you three meals a day, and if you wait long enough for like four months, we're going to give you work authorization, which is the real reason you came here. You're not escaping fear, you're not asylum really asylum seeker. When you make that promise to the whole world, the most vulnerable people will give their life savings to the cartels, make that dangerous journey. And that's why I had over 4,000 migrant deaths. The most humane thing you can do is secure the border. President Trump has Illegal migration down 96.7%. 97% when 97% less people are coming. How many women aren't being raped? How many children aren't dying? How many pounds of fentanyl is not getting in to kill Americans? How many no inspected terrorists aren't making into the United States? How many billions of dollars the cartel is not making? President Trump is a remarkable leader for this nation. I've worked for six presidents. John, Ronald Reagan, every president I worked for thought border security was somewhat important. No one did more than President Trump. His success is unprecedented. Unprecedented. And because of that, we have the most secure, safe nation.

[Benny Johnson]

Everybody sees this and thinks it's immoral. Nobody. I think that the last election was frankly lost on this issue. And that's what everybody says in the the exit polls. Nobody liked the open border. Everybody saw it as inhumane. It is indefensible. It's indefensible if you're a Christian, if you can read Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy says, don't allow your land to be overtaken by the foreigner. They will become your master, and you will be their slave. So if you wish to look to the Bible. I know we're at a Christian college here. There. There it is. What should happen, I think. I think that's one thing that, like, that people are grasping for, is what should happen to mayorkas. What should happen to the Biden administration. These people, they facilitated this. Should they be charged with crimes?

[Tom Homan]

Yes. They need to be held accountable. I mean, what they did. I mean, here the other day. I watched Congress a couple weeks ago. We're going to prosecute Miller, Holman, Nome. We're going to prosecute all you guys. What you've done. Really? What have we done? Other than the force of laws? You wrote. Meanwhile, Alejandro Mallorca stood under oath during testimony in Congress. How many times they said the border is secure. He lied under oath. Was he held accountable? No. What they did was treasonous. They created the most. The most significant national security failure in the history of this nation was lies. Millions of people across this border. And what scares me the most is scare you the most. Over 2 million known gotaways. 2 million people that were caught on video, drone traffic, or sensor traffic entered the country and got away because the Border Patrol is so overwhelmed that humanitarian crisis. An average of 70% of agents were off the line some days here in Texas, Eagle Pass, El Paso. There was weeks where there wasn't a single Borbichow uniform in the sector on the line because they're dealing with the overcrowding, changing diapers, making baby formula, taking care of this humanitarian Crisis. Why do 2 million people pay more to get away? Could you pay the cartel a certain amount of money to get to the border, see a green uniform, turn yourself in, get released, get flown to the city of your choice, all that. Why did 2 million people pay more not to take advantage of the free giveaways? Why? Because they didn't want to be vetted. They didn't want to be fingerprinted either because they're gang members, they're criminals, they're smuggling fentanyl, or they're from a country that sponsors terror. That was the biggest national security failure this nation's ever seen. And they need to be held accountable because Tulsa Gabbard said it. Intelligence community said it. We know there are people here. We Know where some are, we know where some are. So I pray every day that something terrible doesn't happen. But I'm glad President Trump's in the Oval Office if something does happen. But what they did wasn't mismanagement, it wasn't incompetence, it was by design. They knew exactly what we were doing. Let me tell you why. Because under Barack Obama, they gave me award for removing almost half a million of the whalings. Right. Alejandro Mayorkas was the deputy secretary at the time. Joe Biden was vice president. We had a surge at the border under Obama. We shut it down. How do we do that? We detained everybody. We built family residential centers to hold families. We made him see a judge. 90% lost their hearings sent home. The numbers tanked. So they know how we fix it. Don't release them, make them see a judge, remove them. So now Alejandro Marquez is the secretary, Joe Biden's the president. What do they do? They don't detain him, they don't make us see a judge, and they handcuff ICE so they can't deport people. They did a complete opposite. What they know worked when they were vice president and Deputy secretary. This wasn't mismanagement, this is on purpose. They thought they would see a future political benefit and bring in millions of people, illegal aliens, put them in sanctuary cities. And he also overturned the Trump census rule, hoping they become the next census, which results in what? More seats in House for the Dems though. Plus they thought they're going to be future Democratic voters. They sold this country out for future political power. And in my mind, in my opinion, that's treasonous.

[Benny Johnson]

We're going to jump to Q and A from the audience in just a minute, but I have just a few quick follow ups because I, I just can't help myself. You did get an award from Barack Obama. Yeah, it's a real photo. It's not. AI, there's that photo of you getting that award, right? What the hell happened to that guy? Because he was like, hey, great, great job doing all the deportations. And then suddenly it's like, well, let's like use all the criminal aliens to rig the elections in Virginia. I mean, you saw that last night, right?

[Tom Homan]

That I live in Virginia, all the

[Benny Johnson]

murders in Fairfax County. I think there's something like 80% of the murders in Fairfax county are illegals. They pump that state full of illegals. There's no doubt that on that, the way that mail in balloting works, that a ton of illegals voted in Virginia in order to wreck the state last night. And that's. You're saying that's the goal, is that correct?

[Tom Homan]

Yeah, I live in Virginia. I was pretty upset over that. Thank God a district court judges is holding that now. And I think once it gets to our courts, they'll uphold that. What they did, I think is pure gerrymandering. And almost half the state, it's a pretty purple state. Half the state's Republican red. They got no representation now. Well, they lost 90% of it. Right. It just isn't right. But what that administration did was by design. And I find it hard to believe that any president, any secretary, secretary of homeland Security will sell this nation's security up. It's just. It's just. It's just, it's criminal charged Meocus with the treason.

[Benny Johnson]

Last question and then we'll open it up to the audience. Two and a half weeks ago, I sat down with the vice president. He was talking about fraud. He just finished up his first roundtable meeting about fraud and how to attack it with the entire department with all the department heads. It was very impressive. Of course, everybody's in favor of this. And I asked about the Somali daycare fraud, and he just straight up jumped right in and said, stephen Miller's upstairs and he has proof that Ilhan Omar lied on her immigration forms. We have that paperwork. We know she did this. And now we're looking for how to take action. Can you fill us in? Do you know what's going to happen? Is the Trump administration going to go there? The floor is yours.

[Tom Homan]

The whole file is being reviewed. A lot of smart people on it. Stay tuned.

[Benny Johnson]

Could you, could you color for us what of the elucidated and any crimes there are that. That it could be?

[Tom Homan]

Because I cannot get.

[Benny Johnson]

There's like a lot of potential things that could have been there.

[Tom Homan]

I can't get ahead of the investigation. But I know that some of this. I know people are involved in the review and they're really smart people. And it's in good hands.

[Benny Johnson]

All right. It's in good hands. Okay. We got the Allstate endorsement from Tom Homan and a round of applause. We're going to your questions. Here we go. That was inspiring, wasn't it? It's amazing.

[Tom Homan]

Hi, my question is for Tom Homan.

[Benny Johnson]

How is your role different under the

[Tom Homan]

Trump administration versus with the Obama administration? The first four years of Obama administration, it was pretty much the same. The second four years is when he turned 180 degrees and stopped us from doing anything. The Trump And Obama, I ran Enforcement Removal Operations, which is third in command, ice. So I was in charge of immigration enforcement under President Trump. I'm the border czar. So my main responsibility was the border, plus oversee the deportation and find these kids. So I got a little bit different job now, but working for President Trump, I work for the greatest president in my lifetime. That's the difference. And President Trump lets men and women of law enforcement do their job. Thank you.

[Benny Johnson]

Hi, how's it going?

[Tom Homan]

My question is also for Mr. Humman. Hi, how's it going? I'm from Texas and we are experiencing

[Benny Johnson]

a severe abuse of the H1B visa program. So what is being done to address this

[Tom Homan]

that's not in my wheelhouse. I can tell you that there are people at White House Policy, Legislative affairs working with members of Congress on addressing that. There's no answer yet. There's people looking at what should be limited, what should be expanded. I don't want to get ahead of the White House announcement on that, but it's being worked on as we speak. I know because I was up on Hill last week and I met some folks that are working on it. I gave him my opinions, and we'll see where it goes from there. Ezra, thank you. Thank you.

[Benny Johnson]

Hi.

[Tom Homan]

My question is for Mr. Homan. I'm curious about how your security during this administration, how are you going to impact it long term? How are the changes in the and

[Benny Johnson]

the immigration enforcement you're doing right now going to affect us in the long run? And how could the next administration kind of reinforce that and continue that?

[Tom Homan]

Well, having the most secure border in history of the nation gives us strong national security, because now we know who's coming in, what's coming in, where it's coming in, why it's coming in right under. Under the last administration, the border was wide open, so we don't know what came in or who came in. Like I said, two million gotaways. So we need to maintain the secure border. That's why I'm working really hard right now with Rodney Scott, head of Border, along with Mark Rain Mullen to making sure we build the infrastructure that's going to last for decades. I look today, since President Trump's been the Oval Office, we already put over 75 miles wall up. By the time he leaves office, we'll have 1,416 miles of wall, and that's going to make the border even safer. And let me tell you, wall that's going to last for decades. And the wall isn't just for you. Know security and slowing illegal immigration. Walls save lives. And let me explain that the most vulnerable people that come across that border are women and children. They can't get over that wall, which means they go to a place where there's not a wall and what's waiting on them. Men and women of border patrols want to take care of those humanitarian needs right away. So the wall saves lives. So by design, press office. That's a lot of wall. Also, we've just hired are in a process hiring. We ain't got them on board yet. 10,000 new deportation officers. So we'll have a stronger workforce that's going to be out there enforcing immigration law every day. Finally, we're building detention capacity that we never had before. The most we had under Trump, 45, is about 50, 55,000 people in detention. We're building 100,000 beds. So there's not going to be any more excuse. We don't have the bed space. We'll have plenty of bed space. If we turn those beds around every 30 days. 100,930. We'll get to the numbers that American people want us to get it to on deportations. No problem. Thank you, sir.

[Benny Johnson]

And thank you for visiting Baylor.

[Tom Homan]

You got it. I had a question for Mr. Holman. My question is, is there any legislation in place right now that would survive the next Democrat president into offices, making executive order, canceling all the work that

[Benny Johnson]

has been done right now? That's a great question.

[Tom Homan]

That is. That is a great question. That's my concern. If Congress doesn't get off her ass and pass legislation, next president's coming and do everything we did does that, you know, we're going to. You can't, you know, the wall be there and the beds be there, but they can, they can, they can hamstring ICE and, you know, start accepting hundreds of thousand asylum claims. Congress needs to legislate and put this into law. So do I have high hopes of that? Not right now, no. Magistrate, you know, elections matter. We had eight. We had HR2, which is a great bill, passed the House, Senate won't even put on the floor. And. And that's where the American people need to stand up and start raising hell. Secure border should be a nonpartisan issue because the things I just talked about, the number of deaths, the number of sexual assault, everybody should agree you can't have strong national security if you don't have secure borders. But it is not. The left have lost their minds. So my fear is that they get back into control. They'll just Issue new executive orders and do away a lot of stuff. So please call your local congressman, your senator, tell them get off their ass and pass some laws that's going to secure this nation and protect this nation from foreign invaders.

[Benny Johnson]

Thank you so much. Do you mind if I ask just a very quick question? Follow up to his question about naturalization. James Carville was out this week. I don't know if anybody saw this, saying when Democrats get power, we are going to open that border wide up and we're going to naturalize 60 million new Americans as quickly as possible. Is there that executive power?

[Tom Homan]

Look they proved during the Biden administration want an open border, they'll do it. Scaring the hell out of me. I hope not, but I don't put anything past them. Look, you got members of Congress right now comparing ICE to the Nazis which has increased threats against ICE 8,000%. Have they stopped? No, they're continuing. I mean I met on the Hill last time I met on the Hill they said well we need to take the mask off. So it's a non starter. Because you want us to take the mask off. We're wearing masks to protect because they're being docked. Not only the agents being docs or spouses and children being docked, they're wearing it for protection. So if you want the mask off once you stop the hateful rhetoric that has increased threats up to 8,000%. I mean you're sitting there say take mask off and I'll see you on CNN tonight calling ICE Nazis which raises the threat level. So you know, they lost their minds. So I don't know what they're going to do. I mean it's just elections matter. So personally I think the next president United States is currently in the administration.

[Benny Johnson]

If they were real Nazis, they'd be funded by the splc.

[Tom Homan]

I read that story today. That was airplane reading.

[Benny Johnson]

Got them.

[Tom Homan]

Well, they say I'm. They've Southern PLA center classifies me as racist too. Whatever. What they don't understand what the rest of them don't understand. I don't give a shit what people think of me because

[Benny Johnson]

a good way

[Tom Homan]

to go through life, if you let them affect you like that, they win. So I can lay my head on my pillow every night knowing I'm doing everything I can to secure this nation, to save lives. The border patrol and ICE saved so many lives. And what President Trump, I just told you with illegal grace down 97% how many lives are being saved. So I'm proud of what I'm doing. I'm going to keep doing it. And they can attack me all they want. I'm old, I get tired. But when I get up in the morning, read a hit piece, it's like throwing gas in my fire. It makes me ready. Okay, let's go. Where do they go? Yes, sir. Continuing that topic of hateful rhetoric, and

[Benny Johnson]

I'll let you speak for yourself, Benny,

[Tom Homan]

but the comment you made maybe 25 minutes ago about liberal women being pigs and cows. As a seminary student here, I've given my life in preparation to prepare to preach the gospel to the world, to America. And as someone from Washington, a very liberal place for all its sports.

[Benny Johnson]

To Washington, but quite beautiful. Yes, Yes.

[Tom Homan]

I can't wait to be back this summer near Mount Rainier. I wonder.

[Benny Johnson]

Gorgeous. Are you from Seattle?

[Tom Homan]

I'm about an hour south.

[Benny Johnson]

Man, what's happened to Seattle? Man, that must be one. That used to be one of the best cities in America.

[Tom Homan]

Sure, sure.

[Benny Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tom Homan]

But I wonder how you see your faith.

[Benny Johnson]

Obviously, scripture tells us that we will be.

[Tom Homan]

Have to prepare for every single word

[Benny Johnson]

we say to give an account.

[Tom Homan]

Right. How do you, when you make comments like that, how do you envision that conversation going with the Lord?

[Benny Johnson]

I, I feel like. And I totally get it. Like, I feel like I. I feel like it's critical to understand a couple things here. One, I am a sinner. I am not God. God is God. God sent his son, Jesus Christ, because I am a sinner and because I make mistakes and because I need forgiveness. I also think that jokes are funny and that comedy should be legal. And if that offends you, well, I don't know, be offended. There are some things that many people would find offensive in the Bible. I think it was. I think it was Paul who said once, if you're going to argue so much over circumcision, then you should go the whole way and castrate yourselves. Right. Just cut it all off. And that's like, kind of blunt, right? Like, that's kind of. That's the. Whoa. Like, that's kind of. Maybe it's a joke. Probably is. I don't think he literally meant that, but there are. There are obviously shades and there's some pretty blunt truths in the Bible. And I think the point that I was ultimately trying to make, even though maybe it might not be perfect, is this, that there's a reason why the fertility charts for conservatives are going up like this. Because our women look like women and our men have testosterone still, and our men behave like men and we honor God in the way that we lead our lives. And what is that exactly? What is the first commandment of God to man? The first thing. You're a seminary student. What is it? The first thing that God said is, go make babies. It's the first thing he said. And attend my garden to, like, make it peaceful, to ensure that, like, the garden is orderly. And so conservatives follow in that nature. And I think that it's critically important, like what, what I. What I see in the butchery of children. Trans ideology that in part took Charlie from us is frankly demonic. It is antithetical to God. God maketh you man and woman. And I think that the, the ability for conservatives to kind of to. To not only own that, but also to own God's commandments for us to go and be fruitful and multiply is critically important. And to be able to do that, I think that being attractive is an important thing. I'm not a looks master. All right. I'm sure cavicular will be at the next turning point event. But, you know, and I guess if there you're looking for where, where I'm rooted, if I'm going to make a Dylan Mulvaney joke right up here, that's kind of the root of it, right? And God designed women a specific way and men a specific way, and it's for sexual attraction. And so that's kind of where that comes from. I don't know. Maybe that would be the explanation I'd give, right. Maybe it was just a naughty joke. I'm not sure. But humor's still legal in this country, and I'm cool with it. But thank you for your question. Hello, Mr. Tom Holman.

[Tom Homan]

My question's for you.

[Benny Johnson]

First off, thank you so much for

[Tom Homan]

what you've done for this country in securing our border.

[Benny Johnson]

My question specifically about the contrast between

[Tom Homan]

what happened under Biden. We saw it, 10 million legals coming into this country, right? Around 12,000 a day.

[Benny Johnson]

And then under your leadership, the border's

[Tom Homan]

been closed, which has been great, but

[Benny Johnson]

we've seen mass deportations of around 1,000 people a day. And with midterms coming up and the

[Tom Homan]

rhetoric ramping down from our administration, I

[Benny Johnson]

just want to know, and I'm curious, just like a bunch of us, what we can expect before midterms from the administration.

[Tom Homan]

We're going to keep doing our job. And actually the numbers are running around 16 to 1700 a day. Today's number was like 1600. We broke 2000 maybe a dozen times the past year. We need to do more. We're going to keep doing it. I mean, President Trump's been clear that we should prioritize public safety threats, national security threats. But I looked at the numbers today, the numbers about right now in detention, about 64% are criminals and, you know, about 60, 40, about 40 or non criminals. We're going to keep enforcing immigration law against everybody in the country illegally. But we, as the president said, I work for the president, so I, you know, I work within the framework he sets. He says, I want you to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats. That's what we're doing. But we're still enforcing immigration law against others because we have you. Because a message we can't send to the whole world is enter the country legalists in crime, but don't worry about it. Just don't commit another crime and no one's looking for you. We can't send that message. So we need to enforce the immigration law against all those in the country illegally to send a strong message, because we're sending that message. That's one of the reasons why the most secure border in the history of the nation, because we send a message to the whole world. There's no free rider anymore. If you're in the country legally, we're looking for you and we're going to arrest you and deport you. And I was in the Bill Maher show a couple months ago and we had go back and forth quite a bit.

[Benny Johnson]

It was amazing.

[Tom Homan]

He says, but look, some of these people have been here 15, 20 years. Should they be deported? I said, well, allow them to have due process, a great tax. We got one and a half million people who had due process been ordered removed by a federal judge and became fugitive. This. So we let them stay because we're good at hiding out because there are millions of people standing in line every day, taking their tests, doing their background investigation, paying their fees to be part of the greatest nation on earth. They're sitting in the back of the bus. The asylum father and Joe Biden. No. Hundreds of thousands made fraudulent asylum claims. Well, there are people in the world that really do need their protection because they really are escaping fear and persecution from the home country because of race, religion, political affiliation. They're sitting in the back of the bus. We got to enforce the immigration laws of this country. That that gives us a secure nation that tells the world we're serious about our immigration policies and it helps secure the border, which just makes national security stronger. So I guess that's along answered your question. We're not going to stop. We're going to keep moving forward. President Trump was voted into Oval Office. Number one issue, secure the border, enforce immigration law. We're going to keep doing it every day.

[Benny Johnson]

Thank you very much. I hope you deliver. Good afternoon. My question's for Benny earlier. Yeah. Oh, no, another theology student. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, there we go. Don't worry, don't worry. Earlier you spoke about a speech that Vivek Ramaswamy gave, and he gave kind of the explanation of, you know, you could go to China, you'll never be Chinese, you could go to Italy, you'll never be Italian, you could express disagreement with that. When it comes to being American, what are the specific factors that you think make someone an American? And then secondarily, why would excluding folks who have talent or who could come add to the American project be more pro American than keeping the population we have now? Yeah, totally. So I'm not going to talk an individual basis. Right. What I'm going to talk about is like the big picture of what he posted and what his idea was. Right. So the idea goes like this. The structure of his argument goes like this. You can't go to France and call yourself French. You can't go to Germany and call yourself German. You can't go to Japan and you'll never be Japanese. And if you go to China, doesn't matter, you'll never be Chinese. But you can come to America. In fact, everyone can come to America. All 9 billion people on Earth can all be American, including the cannibals on North Sentinel Island. Right. An uncontacted tribe. They can be America. You have your cannibal neighbors. It'll be a great sitcom on abc. No, I mean, I fundamentally reject that. Right. For a couple of reasons. And I'm going to start here on like, well, okay, what is an American? And this is hopefully a documentary I get to make with Matt Walsh one of these days. I'd love to. What is an American? Exactly right. America up until the last 200 years was founded, created, built, all of the infrastructure, all of the culture, Christian, European, that was plus 90% of all immigration to America. That was the original founding. That was the original founders and how they structured our nation. The Bible and calls to God and calls to a Christian God are throughout. John Adams says that we have a nation holy for a moral and religious people and none other. Right. He wasn't talking about Islam when he was talking about that. He was talking about Christendom. He was talking about different shades of Christian, though, which is something that is why the country was founded, because there were various levels of persecution with the Anglican Church, for instance, Right. In Catholics, you guys had it bad, you know, merry old England. So you come here. But to not acknowledge that as the foundational reason why this country isn't China or isn't Japan, why this country is so great, I think is morally dishonest at best or, you know, subterfuge at worst, to sort of, like, cut out and ignore that. So I think at first, it's critical to acknowledge what. What built America? Who built America? Exactly. Only did those demographics, by the way, even begin to change in, like, the 1970s. All right. Only did with the Getting Rid of Hart Cellar Act. But anyway, I think that's a fundamental problem with that argument, is the skipping over of. Of who built America in the first place. You know, there was nobody named Zorhan Mandami that fought in the Civil War. Okay, but then it gets the bigger, deeper, and more important question that I. That I find so offensive. Why can't we have a protected culture? Like, what is it about America that means, like, you can't defend or protect what is American? Why is it.

[Tom Homan]

It.

[Benny Johnson]

Why is it so silly to say that if you move to China, you're not Chinese, but if somebody from China moves here, they're suddenly an American? What is it about our culture where we can be, like, constantly disrespected and you can constantly use this place in this land and not acknowledge that we have a specific culture, that we have a specific people, a honored heritage, and that we're great for a reason? I feel like that's disrespectful, frankly, to how America was founded and to what this country is. And honestly, I. I totally dis. I totally disregard and disavow the idea that everybody on Earth, all 9 billion people on earth, can be Americans? Our founders would do that as well, by the way, if you read their writings, Thomas Jefferson would have deported more people than Tom Homan.

[Tom Homan]

No, he didn't.

[Benny Johnson]

But that's what sort of got my ire up, is that I'm like, I'm sick of people not acting like Americans and people who have been here since the Mayflower and the culture that's been built here like that. They don't deserve defenders. They do. Our culture is great. Our culture, I would argue, is exceptional. I would argue that there's a lot of worldviews, for instance, Sharia law, that is wholly and totally incompatible with Western civilization and our culture, and we should be extremely cautious about turning America that has a cohesive, that has a cohesive joined culture together, that has a shared culture into just a UN refugee camp with a bunch of atomized people from all over the world that speak different languages, have different traditions, and share nothing together. If there's a fire on your block, you need to be able to speak the language of your neighbors in order to put it out together as a community. You have to. If a child's in danger, you need to be able to speak the language of the people that you live next to and share some level of compassion or tradition for protecting children that we believe in here in this country because of how we were founded. Why? Because we had western civilized Christian ideals that founded this nation. So to totally disregard that and separate that and to say, just like anyone and anything can become an American, I reject it outright. I think, frankly, that's. That's disrespectful. And I think that's how you got into this, into the horrible situation that we find ourselves in right now today, where you have less and less societal trust. Nobody wants to live in a zero trust society. You have to have things in common. You must have things in common. A common language, a common belief in God, a common belief in what society is meant to do for each other, a common belief that trust child brides is immoral, that cousin marriages is immoral. These are things that are practiced all throughout the world with great regularity, that having multiple wives is immoral. This is. These are normal practices all throughout many lands. And quite frankly, we're bringing those lands here. And so this is the final thing I'd leave you with. And it's the final thing that always shuts people up. Not like I'm trying to shut you up, but like when they come with, to me with this globalist argument, sorry for the long answer, but like, would you, if Somalia, like, meaning you broke off Somalia from Africa and you attached it right to Florida, let's say Corpus Christi, maybe it wouldn't be much different, but you attached it here. Would you want to go visit? Like, would that be a place where you would, like, go vacation? Would you want to go to Mogadishu? Like, would this be like a fun place for you to go with all the secretary and violence and, you know, rapes. I mean, assuming those people meet the criteria that you suggested, right, that they believe in our values, they kind of ascribe, but they don't. They don't. Somalia has the highest coefficiency for cousin marriages in the world. That's according to the un Right. I agree with what you're saying. And child brides is totally accepted in Somalia because that's how. That's how you actually join clans together. Right. Or keep. Keep your clan strong. It's a. It is. When the President says it's a country without any laws, without any police, he's right. And so, I mean, if you could look at some of the data in Somalia, you'd say, no, I don't want to actually visit that. And I wish we would apply that rule to who we let into this country. If you wouldn't like the country that they built, where they're from, why would we want to bring that culture here? There are cultures that are incompatible with Western civilization. As a Christian, that doesn't mean I. I think they're less than human. Human. Okay. As many. As many jokes that I make. You know, I'm getting in trouble with a theologian. You're going to get in trouble with the Pope. Geez, man, we are. We got a tough role tonight. But I. But I. But. But that doesn't mean that I have to let them come here and be my master in the land that my forefathers built. Thank you. It's okay to. It's okay to be proud to be in America. It's okay to want America to stay America. It really is. Brandon Gill just said this on my show. It's okay to say America isn't hearing the Muslim call to prayer. Wake me up every morning. America isn't the caste system in my children's schools. That's not America. It's okay to say that. Yeah. Sorry for the long answer. My apologies, but thank you for the question.

[Tom Homan]

Mr. Tom Homan, my question is for you. I want to preface the question by saying I have a lot of respect

[Benny Johnson]

for you and the dedication and the service that you've given to this country.

[Tom Homan]

Out of all three speakers, you're the only one I didn't boo for. So there we go. My question for you is specifically the administration's response.

[Benny Johnson]

Sorry, Benny. Sorry, Benny. That's okay, bro. Roast me. That's why we're up here.

[Tom Homan]

I booed louder for Ken Paxton, if that makes you.

[Benny Johnson]

Well, I'm not running for Senate. I promise I never will. So my question is specifically in response

[Tom Homan]

to the administration's response to the killing of Alex Preddy in Minnesota.

[Benny Johnson]

So my. The biggest issue that I have with that, obviously, beyond the actual act itself, which we all saw the video, right,

[Tom Homan]

there was a protester, you know, upwards to 15 ICE agents gathered around him. They disharmed him about five seconds before he was shot and killed. That's extremely concerning to someone who believes in limited government and who believes in civil liberties. And the biggest concern of that was

[Benny Johnson]

that day, like, they didn't even try

[Tom Homan]

to investigate what happened. Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller put out tweets saying that this guy was a domestic terrorist.

[Benny Johnson]

I believe it was Stephen Miller who said he was trying to do maximum harm to, to law enforcement.

[Tom Homan]

Right. It reminds me of the quote in the George Orwell quote, In 1984, the party told you to project your eyes and ears.

[Benny Johnson]

We all saw the video. We all saw what happened.

[Tom Homan]

And the administration's gut response by top

[Benny Johnson]

officials was to immediately deny any accountability for what happened. And I understand that he, you know,

[Tom Homan]

there's videos of him kicking cars.

[Benny Johnson]

I understand that all of that is irrelevant.

[Tom Homan]

The man was disarmed. We saw the gun taken off of

[Benny Johnson]

his body, and then he was subsequently

[Tom Homan]

shot by upwards to 15 ICE agents around him.

[Benny Johnson]

And then rightfully, the President pulled Greg

[Tom Homan]

Bovino and put you there.

[Benny Johnson]

And that made me happy.

[Tom Homan]

I believe that, you know, you are

[Benny Johnson]

a professional and I respect the work

[Tom Homan]

that you do, but is the administration

[Benny Johnson]

ever going to take accountability and are those ICE agents that shot and murdered that man ever going to be held accountable?

[Tom Homan]

Okay, so I can't speak for Christine or Steven. I'll speak for myself. After those shootings, I get a phone call from President Trump, says they need to go to Minnesota and fix some things and de. Escalate. I didn't ask them in Minnesota. The President sent me there the very next day. I can tell you that the deaths that occurred up there are tragedies and unfortunate, but they're being investigated. I can assure you the FBI's investigated. Matter of fact, that day I landed in LA, the day the shooting, I landed in LA and I was doing an interview. I think it was CBS News. I didn't know about it. I showed up to the set to do the interview, and the first thing he did is he put a TV screen in front of me, said, watch this video. And it was the Renee Good video. Says, comments. And I says, I'm not gonna comment. I says, it needs to be investigated, and we'll hold people that violate law policy accountable. I'm not going, I'm not going to comment. An ongoing investigation. That's a career cop. You just don't do that. And I said, there's probably 100 cell phone videos. There's probably, you know, ring cameras. There's probably there's going to be body cam. I said I'd be. It'd be inappropriate me to. To. To give you my opinion on. On one video because I don't want to sway any investigator. I want the investigation to play out. I can tell you that when I was up there, I met with a U.S. attorney. And I can tell you there's investigation. You're ongoing. And. And I've done this my whole career. If someone violated law, then you'd be held accountable, and we'll see what plays out. I'm. I'm not involved in the internal investigation myself. FBI has it along with Internal affairs from ice, and they're running investigation. But I stand by. If someone violates the law, they need to be held accountable. And we'll see what comes out of the investigation. Thank you. Thank you.

[Benny Johnson]

Hello. My question is for Benny. So at Charlie's memorial, you shared how your faith in Christ became more personal over time. Could you just talk about how that relationship shaped or challenged your faith? And as a young man who looks up to Charlie a lot, what advice would you give on pursuing a godly marriage, building a family, and serving our country? Just as Charlie always talked about, especially during moments when living that out can be challenging.

[Tom Homan]

Yes.

[Benny Johnson]

Do you want to be a father one day? Are you a father? I'm not a father yet, but I would like to maybe tonight. I don't know if you're married or not. If you're married. If you're married, is what I'm saying. Okay. Charlie is scowling down at me from heaven. Like, tell him he has to be married. Because that's what he would tell me. When I met Charlie, I was an alcoholic. You know, I was like a. I was. Now I live in D.C. d.C. Is a scumbag place, okay? Ton of scumbags. Dirt bags. You know, all these people, they're masking something. You don't go to D.C. because you're someone who could make it in your hometown. You don't go to DC because you have a skill. You go to DC because you're degenerate. You're power hungry, and you're. You're a goblin. You're not. You're not. Right? It's why all the theater kids wind up in D.C. all these AOCs, you know, their little arms, you know, theater kids. I went up in D.C. and I sort of fell into that culture with

[Tom Homan]

disregard the fact I'm going to D.C. tomorrow morning.

[Benny Johnson]

I stay out of D.C. i would speak at these Turning Point events, and Charlie recruited me to Come and to run Turning Point Productions. And this was very early in the Trump administration, and I said yes. And he witnessed into my life, and it was like having. It was like having an angel speak to me. And I had a. Like, I think many people had sort of fallen away from the church, had fallen away from my foundations. And I think that perhaps there's many people in this audience that. That deal with that, especially when you move out of the house. And instead of judging me and instead of scolding me or instead of, you know, because Charlie was teetotal, right? You know, Charlie would. Charlie would order me a beer, right? And.

[Tom Homan]

And.

[Benny Johnson]

And we were at the airport and we were waiting for a flight and would slowly, like, witness to my life and knowing that the power of God is stronger than anything and than any single vice. And the moment that, like, I got married, Charlie would, like, text me constantly, like, are you gonna have kids? Can I have kids? You should have kids. You should have kids. You should have kids. Charlie, stay out of my bedroom. All right. Okay. You're being such a Republican right now. But, like. Yeah, but he was right, actually. What I need, because there's nothing worse. I think if there's any. Any fathers in the room, fathers down here. Is it the worst thing on earth is having a newborn and a hangover at the same time. That is the single worst experience in life. You actually quit drinking. You can't. You can't do both. You cut out. If you are a moral person, if you have a shred of it. Having that child, seeing. Witnessing that angel being given to you for. By God, which is what happens when you hold your newborn baby. I don't cry. I'm not a crier. I don't cry. You can play me any movie. I don't cry. I sobbed at the birth of all four of my children. And I Hope to have five, and I hope to have six. I have to have 10 more children, quite honestly, because it's like witnessing the promise of. It's like witnessing God giving you an angel, and it centers your life and it connects you. And he. Charlie was. He was so wise on this, and he saw it clearly. He lived it out in his own life, being a father. But this is what truly saved me. I mean, truly. Now I am a regular churchgoer. I bring my children to Sunday school. I am so proud of my faith. I never talked about my faith. I'm not saying I was ashamed of it, but was never part of my life. And it was Charlie Christ centering me. Now I Got to see it up close. But what Charlie did with his maybe 20, 25 million social media following, with his TikTok, with his massive audiences, he was preaching that to millions of young men. And when I show you those graphs of young men rejoining the church, if I show you a chart right now from Gallup, which is the most accurate pollster in America, that says the number one priority for young men who voted for Donald Trump is get married and start a family. That's the legacy of Charlie Kirk. That's Charlie Kirk living today and saving this nation with his work. That's why he's a true Christian martyr. I just got to experience it firsthand. Final thing I'll say on this, because it's such a personal question, and thank you for asking, is there will never be a greater thing that you will do in your life. There's all these. There's Andrew Tate, and there's all these people. Looks, looks, maxers. I don't know. Whatever. You know, whatever the new trend is, it's always about getting your rocks off, never getting married. Like, disrespecting women, disrespecting marriage itself, and viewing children as a burden. That's how you know it is straight from the pit of hell. God's design for your life is to be in that marriage with those children, because that will be truly what accelerates you in life. You want a 10X? It's not buying Bitcoin? Okay. 10Xing is having. Falling in love, having children and raising those American children on this sweet, dark earth. It is a beautiful experience here in this country. It is something that has driven your ancestors to make this land great, and then they live through you in that experience. It's something that connects you to the great divine and the beyond. And. And that. That is the structure of the family. God knew it, and he set it up. It's like he. He knew what he was doing when he made that unit, and it saved many men's lives. I'm just. I'm just one of them. Deeply, deeply humbled to have. To have been able to be witnessed to by Charlie like that. But if for you, I just humbly and very inarticulately pass on this message that that is the way to accelerate and structure your life. Please do not be fearful of it. Please do not black pill on these incredible, ordained, divine institutions of marriage and raising children and being a father. Thank you very much. I don't know if that's the last. The cue card says that that's the last question. That we have. I don't know if that's the last one that we want to end on. I guess it's up to the. I guess it's up to the team. We have two more. Two more. Okay. Hi.

[Tom Homan]

This is for Mr. Tom Holman.

[Benny Johnson]

Thank you very much for coming. So I am legally Canadian.

[Tom Homan]

This is kind of on the subject

[Benny Johnson]

of family, but I've lived here for

[Tom Homan]

99% of my life with my family

[Benny Johnson]

on my dad's work visa. But until a few years ago, when we finally got our green cards after

[Tom Homan]

over a decade, my own mother couldn't work.

[Benny Johnson]

And I would not have been able to work when I reached the age of 16 either. I'm looking really forward to becoming an

[Tom Homan]

American citizen in just a few more years.

[Benny Johnson]

But what would you say to people who live in America, who are legal immigrants, who are working hard, hard and really want to become American, but have watched for many years illegal immigrants get free handouts?

[Tom Homan]

Well, God bless you. If you're doing things the right way, I'm proud of you and I'm proud of your family. Thank you, sir. The right way, you know, come in illegally, assimilate and be part of American culture and help make this country greater. That's. That's the goal. And for those who cheated the system, I said it earlier, you know, I understand why people want to come to the greatest nation on earth and have a better life. I don't hate illegal aliens. But there's right way and wrong way. Come to the greatest nation on Earth. And what they did, they cheated. And people say, well, They've been here 20 years. They cheated. They put themselves in front of the line, and that's not okay. So, you know, that's why we need to enforce immigration law. Because I said, there are millions, literally millions of people going through the process to be the greatest nation and to be part of the greatest nation on Earth. You know, a true story. I was in New York City and I was in a car, and the guy recognized me. He was from an African nation, and he just became a US Citizen. He said, I came over here as a student, got a green card, become a US Citizen. He goes, I'm trying to get my family, my wife and three sons over here. And it's a long, drawn out process. He goes, I've been at it for a couple years, and I watched this under Biden administration because I was working for Fox News raising hell about Biden administration. He says, I see these thousands of people coming to the border every day, being released again. Work off. Families are getting reunited over here illegally. He goes, and some days I wake up and say, why don't I do that? And wife and kids can be here now. He goes, but you know what stops me from doing it? I love America. That's why I became a US Citizen. I want my family to do things the legal way. So what I say to you is, first of all, God bless you for doing things the right way. Welcome to the greatest nation on earth. And when you become a US Citizen, give me an invite. I'd love to be the one to swear you in. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

[Benny Johnson]

That was heartwarming. That was beautiful. Hi, Benny. Hi, Tom.

[Tom Homan]

Thank you both for being here. My name is Nikki Rudd, and my

[Benny Johnson]

question is for Benny. Charlie.

[Tom Homan]

Kirk was Venom opposed to the war with Iran.

[Benny Johnson]

In fact, he said that it would be a catastrophic mistake. The vast majority of Gen Z is also opposed to the war with Iran. In 1996, the Clean Break Report was issued on behalf of then incoming Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. It listed several different countries which should be destroyed on behalf of the State of Israel. Since then, the American military has assisted in the destruction of every regime listed except for the Iranian, which we are now at war with. It is clear that the Israeli lobby in America has sought the destruction of the Iranian regime list for decades now. Do you believe that the Israel lobby compelled this administration and this military into attacking Iran? And do you believe that Israeli influence is a problem within our government?

[Tom Homan]

So.

[Benny Johnson]

I read New York Times article that detailed Benjamin Netanyahu briefing President Trump in the Situation Situation Room. And according to our own CIA and according to Marco Rubio and the experts here in America, Benjamin Netanyahu's data and intelligence was flawed. And I, I spoke out very publicly against that. I said, you can't have people giving my president who I voted for and I support and I voted for him three times. And I love Donald Trump and I want his administration to succeed. You cannot have him getting bad information. That's something that shouldn't be allowed. I caught some hell for that. I don't care. It doesn't matter if it's the president of China or if it's the president of Germany or if it's Benjamin Netanyahu, the President of Israel, we should demand that our president get good and solid information. American lives are on the line. That was reported out. Now, when it comes to the war in Iran, bro, I wasn't elected president. There are some podcasters that think they were elected president and they know everything. But I'M humble enough to realize that I'm sitting at like a room temperature IQ at best, right. I went to community college. I couldn't get into Baylor, right. Like. And the seminary students wouldn't like my jokes anyway. So, so I don't pretend to second guess the President on this. I have been critical however on one point and it's a point that I talk with JD Vance about and it's a point that I know that there's a lot that there's extreme frustration with with Gen Z, as you perhaps no doubt are a member of Gen Z or Gen Alpha, which is that America first needs to be about America. And for that to be true, the pothole on my street where I live and I have to drive my kids around in Tampa, Florida is more important. Filling that pothole is more important than making a new pothole in the Middle East.

[Tom Homan]

East.

[Benny Johnson]

Right. That I think is a very consistent America first worldview. When you win elections, which I can, I can show you exactly what the left plans on doing when we they win the next election. That is why I want my side to win and I have no other options. I, I beg of the administration and I will beg tonight. And I constantly beg. The focus must be on domestic policy, gas prices, grocery prices, home prices. These are the things that win generations, right? These are the like solving these things, getting these prices under control or what wins you elections. And so I don't consider myself young anymore. I'm 39 years old. But I do have a young family. I do have young children. There are American children. I have no dual passports. I have no little. I know I have no land to flee and run home to. Right. There's a lot of Americans who do. I think that's crazy. I will live here. I will die here. I will put my boots in the ground here and dig my heels in for my children. And so I view only the betterment of life in America as a chief priority. And it's something that I implore the administration simply to focus on. I want gas to go back down to a $2 average. That's where it was in January. January 1st gas was $2 average in America. Many places it was below $2 in. In Colorado is nearing 99 cents. There were some stations that were close to 99 cents. That's what I want. I want the what happened to egg prices to happen to all groceries, especially steak and beef. Please, Texas, can you help us out with that? But you can you. The administration has proven that they can muscle. They can, they can Put their shoulder into certain commodities. They can help make them more affordable for American families, single moms, dads that are trying to make it, you know, and be a father. It's tough out there, man. It's tough. And so America first means my American children first. So that, yeah, I agree with you

[Tom Homan]

that we should be focusing on domestic

[Benny Johnson]

issues, but we can't do so when we have a foreign lobby that's compelling us into foreign conflicts that we should be no part of. Do you think the Israeli lobby compelled us into this war? Again, I wasn't in the room. I've been openly critical of what I saw as the best reporting out there, which was a very detailed report of the New York Times that talked about this and that said that our own intelligence agencies said that there were flaws in the information that were. That was given to the President. I've been openly critical about that, but I wasn't in the room. I fundamentally do not believe that Donald Trump gets pushed around by anybody. And I think he's proven that time and time again in his career and that Trump makes the decisions. And again, I don't know him like the honored member of the administration on stage. I'm not as close to President Trump, but, you know, you can see in his life that the man, like, takes in the information and makes the decision. That's why I have advocated for that information to be as good and as airtight, as responsible and as accurate as possible for my president to make successful decisions for my country. Yeah. Yep. All right. Borders are. Tom Homan, everyone. Thank you very much. God bless all of you. You're in trouble with the Pope. It was so powerful to see that man sort of in his humanity. Even cried on stage when I asked him about why he does this as something really special is really neat to be able to connect with Tom afterwards and to talk about his personal faith walk and what they're going to be doing. Here's what Tom told me backstage after this event. He said, you think that the deportations are up now? And by the way, I mean, they, they are. I don't care what anybody says. You can actually look at the data here and see what the administration's work on criminal migration. These are ICE arrests, interior deportations, jails and prisons by arrest increases and voluntary departures from the United States of America. Again, population of foreign born criminal aliens collapsing. And a collapse, a total and complete collapse in the asylum seekers, which is a complete and total. It was simply fraud. It's just simp. The total fraudulent operation. There are there's virtually no legitimate asylum seekers. All of them are parasitic on our body politic anyway. It was beautiful to hear Tom Holman talk about these wins, but then to talk about what's going to happen next. What's going to happen next, he says, is we've just doubled the number of agents gone from 5,000 to 10,000. You think these numbers are good now? Wait till you see what we are about to do. All right. What you should be about to do is invest in Advantage Gold. Advantage Gold, a partner of our program. If you wish to seize your golden era. 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[Tom Homan]

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[Benny Johnson]

We're deporting this illegal ombre back to Taco town.

[Tom Homan]

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[Benny Johnson]

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You see all these things and you

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wonder what in the world is going on. Was it this way 5 years years

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ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago?

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