Full Show PT 2: Tuesday, March 31 [Vault]

Summary

The Bert Show — Full Show PT 2: Tuesday, March 31 [Vault] Air Date: March 31, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of The Bert Show dives into three major topics: a listener’s dilemma after discovering his date is a self-identified witch, another listener’s relationship challenge when her long-term boyfriend’s parents have never heard of her, and a frank discussion about startling statistics around kids and sexual activity. The cast and callers bring humor, empathy, and open-mindedness as they unpack relationships, social perceptions, and hard realities of parenting in today’s world.

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1. "I Went on a Date with a Witch" — Openness, Stigma, and Wiccan Truths

[01:17–13:40]

Key Discussion Points

• Caller Ryan’s Dilemma: Ryan recounts a fun first date that takes a turn when his date later confesses over email that she’s a witch. Unsure what that means, he seeks the cast’s opinions and community input.
• Misconceptions Around Witchcraft: The team discusses stereotypes, with jokes about TV witches and Hollywood’s influence.
• Calls from the Wiccan Community: A Wiccan priest and a Wiccan community member, Shelly, weigh in to correct mythology and describe real Wiccan beliefs and practices.
  • Wicca is a real religion and not inherently “evil” or about “casting evil spells.”
  • Wicca is nature-centered, with daily life and holidays structured around the cycles of nature (sabbats and esbats).
  • The core ethical principle: “Ye harm none, do what ye will."
  • No requirement for partners to convert or practice.
• Accepting Differences in Dating: The cast and participants encourage Ryan to approach the relationship with curiosity and honesty, noting that open conversations are key when worldviews differ.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Hollywood Witches:
  “It really all depends on how hot she is... if she’s Alyssa Milano and she says she’s a witch, you’re like, ‘No worries.”
  —Ryan Birch (Host), [04:04]

• On Wiccan Beliefs:
  “Wiccans celebrate the universe and nature. So every day that we wake up, we are in our church.”
  —Wiccan Priest, [06:27]

• Ethical Code:
  “Their main law is: Ye harm none, do what ye will.”
  —Shelly (Wiccan Community Member), [11:15]

• Ryan’s Resolution:
  “You know, I think I’m actually kind of relieved by the last two folks... I think I will call her back.”
  —Ryan (Caller), [12:19]

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2. “Why Has My Boyfriend’s Parents Never Heard of Me?” — Secrets, Surprises, and Racial Underpinnings

[14:21–26:19]

Key Discussion Points

• Meg’s Concern: Meg’s been with her boyfriend Brian for a year and a half, he’s always at her place, but his parents (who live in Colorado) don’t know she exists. She tries to surprise him by offering to fly them down for his birthday, only for his mother to respond, “I’ve never heard of you.”
• Suspicions and Theories: The team unpacks possible reasons—Is there another girlfriend? Is Brian hiding something? Does race or religion play a role? Meg is half Black, Brian is white.
• Importance of Communication: The cast broadly agrees that the surprise is no longer the priority; Meg deserves answers.
• Racial Issues: Both listeners and cast members share stories of interracial relationships and the sometimes unspoken (or explicit) bias that still surfaces in families.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Being a Secret:
  “Well, he…would lie and be like, yeah, my mom said to tell you hi. I said hi.”
  —Meg (Caller), [22:00]

• Potential for Racial Bias:
  “It’s because she’s half Black. I have friends…their parents were cool with Black friends, but the minute they brought home a girlfriend who was half Black or Black, things just went berserk.”
  —Keisha (Caller), [22:20]

• Personal Experience:
  “I brought Chandra home, who’s Black, and my mom cornered me and said, ‘You’re about to change our bloodline forever.’”
  —Ryan Birch (Host), [22:51]

• Advice for Meg:
  “Tell them the story…‘Why have you lied to me? Why have you lied to your parents about me?’ And just have him answer the question.”
  —Jen (Co-host), [24:01]

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3. Kids, Sex, and When to Have “The Talk” — Honest Parenting in a Changing World

[28:22–38:01]

Key Discussion Points

• Shocking Statistics: Host Ryan shares findings from a University of Texas study—12% of 12-year-olds have had sex, 8% have engaged in oral sex, 1 in 15 have had anal sex, and 1 in 3 sexually active middle schoolers have had unprotected sex in the last 90 days. UK study: 1 in 3 girls ages 6–10 have looked at porn online.
• Real Stories: Listeners call in with experiences of early exposure via babysitters, bus drivers reporting sexual activity on school buses, and a seventh-grader’s report on pregnancy rates in her school.
• Peer Pressure: Discussion on friend circles as major influencing factors for early sexual activity.
• Parental Avoidance: The team highlights that awkward conversations are being neglected, pushing kids towards earlier sexual experiences. Urge to have ‘the talk’ before age 12 is emphasized.
• Parenting Reflections: The hosts reflect on their own discomfort and the need to face facts about today’s world rather than idealize a vanished childhood innocence.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Modern Childhood:
  “I think what’s so sad is they’re not allowed to be kids. Like, 12-year-olds should still be a kid…It’s sad that they’re having to deal with such adult things so young, stealing their childhood.”
  —Caller, [30:38]

• UK Porn Statistic:
  “One in three girls, all girls between the ages of six and ten…admit that they have looked at porn sites.”
  —Jen (Co-host), [31:30]

• The Critical Conversation:
  “It’s like we avoid any kind of conversation that’s going to be uncomfortable…parents don’t want to have the awkward conversation with their kids. And the result is they’re having sex at 12 years old. That’s crazy.”
  —Ryan Birch (Host), [34:11]

• Peer Pressure in Adolescence:
  “When you’re a teenager, the most important thing in the world is to be accepted by your friends and to feel cool. So if that’s what your group is doing, whatever your kids’ friends are doing, that’s what your kids are doing too.”
  —Caller, [36:28]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Witch Date Dilemma – [01:17–13:40]
• Boyfriend’s Parents Don’t Know Meg Exists – [14:21–26:19]
• Kids & Sex: Statistics and Parenting Advice – [28:22–38:01]

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The Bert Show approaches serious issues with characteristic humor and empathy. Key themes include:

• The importance of communication and honesty in relationships—romantic and familial.
• The need to dispel myths and misconceptions, whether about alternative religions or partner backgrounds.
• A wake-up call for parents to confront changing social realities around kids and sexuality, rather than hiding from awkward conversations.

While the show entertains, it underlines that acceptance, open-mindedness, and honest dialogue are essential, whether navigating the supernatural in dating, interracial romance, or the complexities of raising kids in a hyper-connected world.

Transcript

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[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

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[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

Hey, Good morning, guys.

[Wiccan Priest]

How are you?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Good. How are you today?

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

Doing okay.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Let's talk about this first date and the detail that you found out afterwards that makes you a little reluctant to call her back.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

I went out with a girl over the weekend that is a friend of a friend and we had a great time. At the end of the night we ended up making out and I thought it was really good. And then the next day I get an email from her. I'm not joking. She writes that she had a great time too, but since we kissed, she thought she should be upfront and honest with me about who she actually was. And then she wrote, I'm not joking, that she's a witch. And she thought she had to tell me and get it off her chest because of she would never hurt anybody. It's not like she's evil or anything like that, but she's a witch and she does the whole thing. She casts spells and cleansing and scrying, which I had no idea what that even was and I had to look it up. And it's. It's when you look into a crystal ball or something.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

You know, scrying is the name of that.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

Scrying.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Okay, so she goes on and on

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

and on about how she's a witch in this email, and she understands if I'm not interested in calling her back because of the misconceptions, but she wanted to let me know up front since we did make out and she thought she'd like to see me again. So I'm freaking out. I don't know. I haven't called her back since yet. I don't know whether this is crazy, whether I'm overreacting or I don't know. Has anybody gotten messed up with a witch? I have no idea.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Did you ask her if she's a good witch or a bad witch?

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

She writes that she's a good witch in the. In the email, she writes that, you know, she was raised Christian, and even though the Bible says it's magic or witchcraft is evil, she's not. She would never hurt anybody or anything.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

We need to hear from some witches,

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

some from the Wiccan community, because I have no idea.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

They take this very, very seriously. And they're always eager to, like, put credibility on their whole. I don't even want to call it a lifestyle, but there is a big misconception of what, like witches and Wiccan and all that is. And they're always eager to set the record straight.

[Caller/Participant]

Is it considered a religion?

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

I don't know. I don't know if it's a religion. I mean, she writes that she was raised Christian and she still is Christian. So I don't know if witchcraft is necessarily a religion or not. I don't know.

[Caller/Participant]

What if she were Scientologist? What would be weirder?

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

The Scientologist might be a little strange,

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

which would scare you more, which would freak you out more. It's just such a world that most people stay away from because I think, you know, Hollywood has made witches. You got your black hat on, right?

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Halloween. Ish and Christian.

[Caller/Participant]

Alyssa Milano was a witch and Charmed, right?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

That's a TV show.

[Caller/Participant]

She was a hot witch.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

But, I mean, like you said, I mean, Christianity's made it like this evil thing. But is it really evil?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

It really all depends on how hot she is anyway, because she could tell you anything. And if she's hot enough, she's Alyssa Milano and she's saying she's a witch. You're like, no worries.

[Caller/Participant]

Please get around that.

Totally.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Good morning.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

I don't want to come home one day with my buddies or something, and she's in the living room casting spells. And how do I explain that?

[Caller/Participant]

Like what?

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

I have no idea.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

She's just hanging out with her coven. Don't worry about it.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

I'd like to have a friend who could cast spells. I think that would be convenient on your behalf.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Hey, Debbie. Good morning. You're part of the Birch show. Hey, I feel really bad for the

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

guy, especially if you like her.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

But, you know, that's a good line

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

to use if you want to get rid of somebody. I may start.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

It might not be true at all. Good morning. Q100. Hi.

[Wiccan Priest]

Hi.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Ryan here is a little freaked out because he made out with a witch and he's not real sure that's safe territory.

[Wiccan Priest]

It's absolutely safe. Like you said, you know, it depends on, I guess, how hot she is anyway.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And you know that it's safe because.

[Wiccan Priest]

Well, I am a Wiccan priest. And to answer your earlier question, Wicca is definitely a religion. What are his concerns?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

She's a witch, man.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Well, I mean, I think the reputation of being a witch is somebody who, you know is either evil or cast spells or you don't know what to expect. And so, I mean, what clear some of these rumors.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I think my first concern would be if things go wrong, can she put like a needle into a rag doll and have his eye fall out?

[Caller/Participant]

That's voodoo.

[Tyler Redick]

That's voodoo.

[Wiccan Priest]

It's completely different religion altogether. I think mainly the misconception with witchcraft is that witchcraft is evil. And as far as Atlanta is concerned, the witches in Atlanta really don't believe in doing evil and casting spells on someone else.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Could you though, if you wanted to, like if you had one bad witch apple in the Atlanta community?

[Wiccan Priest]

I really don't think so. I mean, magic really doesn't work that way.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

If he was dating a witch, what would be different in that relationship than if he was just like you said, dating a. Just a Christian girl or something like that?

[Wiccan Priest]

Well, that's a good question, Jeff. You get the good question.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

You won the good question from the Wiccan priest.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Okay. I would like. Is my prize the ability to levitate?

[Wiccan Priest]

Well, you'll have to talk to David Blaine for that, I believe.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Well, what do witches do on a day to day basis? Yeah, do you guys go to church? I mean, who do you pray to? Do you pray to anybody? Like you fly?

[Wiccan Priest]

That's another misconception is that I think most Christians go to church on Sunday and. Or on Wednesday. But Wiccans pretty much live their life on a daily basis in church because Wiccans celebrate the universe and nature. So every day that we wake up, we are in our Church.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

So it's more a nature based religion.

[Wiccan Priest]

Well, it is absolutely a nature based religion. We follow the cycles of nature and it really helps us balance out our lives and live our lives on a daily basis.

[Caller/Participant]

Is Wiccan blended with astrology at any point?

[Wiccan Priest]

Well, we do read and use astrology to help us, but I wouldn't say that it's blended with. It's just another observance, that thing that we pay attention to. Sure.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Were you at one point like Christian and then decided to go the Wiccan route?

[Wiccan Priest]

Sure. I was born and raised Catholic. Reading the Bible and different things, it just didn't make a lot of sense to me and a lot of unanswered questions and things like that. So I'm not trying to put Christianity down here, but just not your thing.

[Caller/Participant]

Just a different personal choice for you.

[Wiccan Priest]

Sure, sure.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Does the Wiccan community like if he dates a witch or someone in the Wiccan community, do they look down upon non Wiccans?

[Wiccan Priest]

They shouldn't much like any minority or anything like that. I mean, you don't really like to be judged or looked down upon.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Is it safe to assume that because she admitted this to him that she's a witch, that she somehow like she looked into the future and saw them having a future together? So that's why she confessed it?

[Wiccan Priest]

Something that she would have to ask. I think she probably confessed it because there is such a misconception and if she happens to like this guy, for him to find out later, it might freak him out. Like he is freaking out right now.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

So rather find out initially.

[Caller/Participant]

I still think it's a little early on the first date or right after the first date to send that to

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

him sounds pretty major though.

[Caller/Participant]

It seems like two or three dates go by, then maybe you break the ice with that and say whatever.

[Wiccan Priest]

Well, I've heard y' all talk about telling people that you have children and. Or whatever the case may be, you know, full disclosure. I think it's only fair to say something right away. I mean, I don't know that if I was Christian I would tell someone on the first date, hey, I'm Christian.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

You know, be careful depending on how involved you are in your religion. Because in every religion there's people that are really involved and some that just dabble. And so obviously to her, she is very into her religion and so she'd do that because I've known people who, they're very extreme into Christianity and don't drink or don't want to have sex or you know, that they would say that to somebody that they started dating.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Hey, High Priest, Shelly here is part of the Wiccan community also, and she thinks you're misrepresenting the community. Uh oh, Shelly, good morning. You're on Q100. Hey, Bert show.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

How are you?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Good, how are you? You have a problem with what's being said about the Wiccan community?

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

A lot of times when people talk about Wicca, the first thing that's out of their mouth is that it's a nature based religion. There's a very, very active Wiccan community in Atlanta with three or four covens that work in the community and things like that. Most Wiccans celebrate holidays which are called Sabbath, and they also celebrate these things called sbats. They do live it every day, but they do have holidays and things like that that they celebrate. So depending on how active she is in the Wiccan community, there would be holidays and things like that that she would be celebrating, you know, and if they were to get serious, there would be things that he would see and get involved with because she would be involved. Does that make sense?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Like what?

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

We have a Sabbath coming up close to May 1, called Beltane. Beltane generally celebrates fertility and life and the coming back of the sun. And these sabbats, which are what the holidays are called, are based around the seasons and the types of things that would happen in, but not necessarily the worship of nature. Does that make sense?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Not really, but it's okay. Shelley, if he isn't into the whole Wiccan community, will she continue to date him or do you have to be part of that community?

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

It's difficult, you know, dating somebody if you don't have any of the same religious beliefs. Most Wiccans worship a God and a goddess figure, and sometimes that can drag down into more polytheistic beliefs where they'll worship multiple goddesses and multiple gods. So if he's Christian or comes from a Christian background, I imagine it would be very different than what it is that he's used to.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

So there's no harm in him test driving this for a little while?

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

No, definitely not. And the most important thing to remember about people that really do believe in Wicca and actively practice Wicca is that their main law is ye harm none, do what ye will. So if she is a Wiccan, that she's not, you know, going to be sacrificing cats and stuff like that.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

There you go, Ryan. So, I mean, it's not like what we were, you know, Hollywood, right It's not Hollywood stuff.

[Wiccan Priest]

Okay.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

So there's no chance that I'm going to get hurt in any way. And you don't think that I would need to convert or something like that if I date the girl, right?

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

No, definitely not. And she should. You should be able to ask any of these questions that you have with her and she should be able to answer them. And she shouldn't harm. Harm you or do anything weird like that.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

Most Wiccans are pretty normal people, which is neat.

[Caller/Participant]

That'd be kind of fascinating conversation for the second and third date.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

You meet so many of the same people that all seem to have the same story. It'd be cool to sit down with a Wiccan and go ahead, you talk.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah, well, the thing is, you obviously are interested enough in her that you're concerned about it, so I would say keep dating her.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

You know, I think I'm actually kind of relieved by the last two folks have called. So I think. I think I will call her back and say, hey, let's go on another date and see how it goes. And if, if it goes crazy, I'll give you guys a call and let

[Caller/Participant]

you know what happened.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Man, go get yourself some Wiccan booty. All right, Ryan, thanks for calling.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

Thank you guys.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

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[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Meg wants to be part of the Birch Show.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Okay, so I've been with my boyfriend Brian for about a year and a half. We're really close. He's always over my house. We basically live together. We're actually talking about moving in together. But the thing is, I've never met his parents. They live in Colorado, and he hasn't seen his parents in two years. I want to scratch off. A couple of weeks ago, I won $2,000.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Nice.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Birthday's coming up. So what I did was I called his mom. I got his mom's number, and I called her, like, hey, I'm Brian's girlfriend, and I thought it would be nice to fly you, your husband, and Brian's brother down to Atlanta and put him up for a hotel.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

That's an awesome gift.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Yeah, yeah. And she was like, okay, that's really nice. Let me talk to my husband about it, and I'll give you a call. So yesterday, she left me a voicemail saying she was in an awkward situation. She didn't know who I was, she never heard of my name.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Oh, no.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

And she's like, I'm not even sure that you're in this relationship like you say you are.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

So how long y' all been going now?

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

For a year and a half.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Okay, I must have had a little ADD moment there. I must have missed something in the beginning. You have never had any communication with her before. You have had communication with her.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

I have not.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Has not.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Never.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

And the boyfriend has not told mama about the girlfriend of a year and

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

a half for a year and a half.

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

Has boyfriend talked to mama in a

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

year and a half?

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Yeah, they're really close. They talk all the time.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

They just don't visit because they're all broke, Right?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Oh, no.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Wow.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

So he says, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

[Caller/Participant]

Whoa.

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[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

So now here's.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Should I, like, call. Should I call the mom back and be like, so does he have another girlfriend in Colorado, does he?

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Wouldn't have a. Wouldn't have a girlfriend in Colorado if he's been living here for 18 months and never goes back there.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Hey, Meg, hold on one sec for me. Okay, y', all, seriously, I think I had an add moment in the first 60 seconds of that conversation. What did I miss?

[Caller/Participant]

Okay. They've been going out together for a year and a half. He basically lives at her house. She's never met his parents. Cause they live in Colorado. He lives here. He doesn't go back to visit. Cause he's broke. Right?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Okay.

[Caller/Participant]

She wins a scratch off ticket for $2,000. And as a nice thing for him, she calls the parents behind his back and says, I wanna fly you out, put you up in Atlanta for a weekend, take care of your airfare and hotel. Cuz I'd love to meet you and I know that he'd love to see you. The mom is like, let me check with my husband and get back to you. And it was kind of awkward. Calls her back, the date, next day later and says, I didn't know who you were. Sorry for the awkward pause, but I have never heard of you before.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Okay, so now the question is, how does she proceed? Because she can't confront her boyfriend because it screws up the surprise. And then you call back, mom, what do you say? Because there's obviously a reason he hasn't told mom about her.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Isn't surprise out the window at this point?

[Caller/Participant]

I guess I would think that surprise is out the window.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Why do you think there's a bigger problem here?

[Caller/Participant]

Go to him and say, dude, I was trying to surprise you and do this nice thing for you.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

And you haven't even acknowledged me to your parents in a year and a half.

[Caller/Participant]

Your parents don't know who I am.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And you said he's really close with us. I am just like, I don't even know how to process. This is so strange.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

She's confused too.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

I'm trying to process it too.

[Caller/Participant]

Like, is there a compelling reason why he wouldn't tell his parents about you? Are you a mixed race couple? Are you different religions? I am half black and he's white.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Yeah.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Do you, would that be an issue?

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Do you think that that would be an issue?

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Think so.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

And we're not saying it is. I mean, I see where Jen's coming from. Is there, you know, what is the reason he hasn't acknowledged you? Do you think that his parents maybe give him pressure? And maybe if he acknowledged he had a girlfriend, then there'd be more pressure from them that you need to go ahead and get married.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

I don't know. I mean, they know that he doesn't have any money.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Well, my thing is I would need to know where I stand with him, you know? Is the reason you haven't told your parents about me is because you don't acknowledge me as a serious girlfriend? Or is it for. Is it because of my race? Is it because of, you know, you. I would need to know that.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

So your advice then is forget about the surprise, go right to the boyfriend and go, look, this is what's been happening behind the scenes. Because everything you've done is honest up to this point.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yes.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And good hearted. So you're saying go right to the boyfriend at this point, go, look, this is what I was trying to do. And now we've got problems.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Right or wrong. I would. My $2,000 I'm not spending on you right now because you can't even acknowledge me to your parents after a year and a half. Then we need to reevalu our relationship.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Hey, Robert. Good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

One way that I would think that she could determine where she stands in the relationship. Go to the boyfriend and say, hey,

[Caller/Participant]

look, why don't we use this money

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

to go meet your parents and see how he reacts?

[Caller/Participant]

That's a good point.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

If he kind of like real kind of hesitant or resentful to it, then maybe he's trying to hide her from him.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

But if he says, okay, yeah, let's go. I mean, she's already talked to the parents. How does she. I mean, because you don't want to put his parents in a situation where you're like, okay, keep this lie from your son that we ever talked.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I don't know, y'.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

All.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I think all the games are out the window at this point. Like, what does she have to lose by just going straight to him and

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

he's gonna manipulate the situation if I approach him like that.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah, I just. She needs to talk to him.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

I figured that out because there's also the mom calling him factor into the whole thing. Like, take care of it today.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Now, when did this call take place to mom?

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

I called her a couple of days ago. She called me back yesterday.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Okay.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I am surprised that she hasn't been on the phone with your boyfriend. Well, I guess she couldn't because it was because you were trying to plan a surprise. Okay. Good morning, Krista. You're on Q100. Hi.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Hey.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

I'm not trying to be cynical.

[Shelly (Wiccan Community Member)]

Here.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

But the first mistake was in doling out a $2,000 gift to someone that

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

you have no commitment from.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

And if he has not introduced you to his parents or has I even mentioned you, that in itself is a clue. Regardless of your race, he's ashamed of something. So I really think you crossed the line in calling the mother and presenting them with this gift.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

I don't think so.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

Well, now, wait a minute. Because he has his reasons, and that should tell you everything you need to know. You don't need to talk to the mother at this point because, well, she didn't know. He's not. He is. He has not been man enough to tell your parents about you. That is, it's not about the parents. You need to look at his actions.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

But, Kristen, you see the timing of this whole thing, though, right? Krista, like, she didn't know that she was a secret until she was trying to plan this surprise for two days ago.

[Caller/Participant]

Right?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

She didn't know.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

But she did know she was a secret because she has never had a conversation with his parents in a year and a half. That says a lot. I'm sorry. It's not about meeting her physically. The mother has no knowledge of her whatsoever. And I think she's down at everything she needs to know. I mean, she went behind his back and did all this. Now the truth is going to come out. So in hindsight, yes, it worked out for her because I think she found out what kind of person she's been. Been with for the past year and a half.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

I think that she's putting some blame on you. And I think going behind his back, I think is harsh language for.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

It's not going behind your back. It's buying him a gift that you didn't want him to know about. That's not going behind his back.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

But I do.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Now what. How I. But just to follow through with what she was saying, I think her blame on you or her. Your responsibility is the fact that in a year and a half, you've never had a conversation with the parents. Has that ever crossed your mind as odd?

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Well, he, like when he gets off the phone with his mom, he'll. He would lie and be like, yeah, my mom said hi to tell you. I said hi.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Oh, wow.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Yeah.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

That's a big problem.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah, he's. He's covering something.

[Caller/Participant]

I think he's embarrassed to talk to them about race.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Keisha thinks so, too, I think. Hey, Keisha.

[Keisha (Caller/Participant)]

Yes, I'm totally with Jen. I think we're beating around the bush and missing the elephant in the room. It's because she's half black. And I have a couple of friends where they thought their parents would be cool and their parents were cool with black friends. But the minute they brought home a girlfriend that was half black or black, things just went berserk. His parents even said, what's wrong with you? So this is a situation. I'm sure he loves her, cares about her, but he's afraid of how his parents will react. I don't think. He's not committed. He's at her house every day. He loves this girl. He's afraid mom and dad will be like, who's this?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Yeah. I've relayed this message too many times, this story too many times on the show before, but that's the exact same thing that happened with my mom. Myra, is that she raised me to be very open minded and we're all 1, 1, 1, 1. And then I brought Chandra home, who's black, and my mom cornered me and said, I just want you to be aware of what you're doing. You're about to change our bloodline forever. And she was. She didn't want me to date a black girl. So it was cool so long as it wasn't in our apartment.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Change our bloodline forever.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Can you believe the word?

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

I mean, no, I think a lot of people.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

I want you to say. You say it like Myra. Melissa.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

I can't.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I can't even do Myra anymore.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

But, yeah.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Did she write a haiku about that?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Look, Meg, I don't think that you can assume that that's the reason. I think you gotta go right to him at this point.

[Caller/Participant]

I think you can.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I mean, you can't, like, break up with a guy over assuming.

[Caller/Participant]

No, I mean, she's gonna talk to him about it, but I think she can assume going into the conversation. It's exactly why his parents don't know about her.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

That's crazy.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Well, I think that you.

[Caller/Participant]

I know it sounds crazy, but I still think that.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

So what's the question? Is the question, did she sit down with him and go, do your parents know about me?

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

My thing is, I would tell her this. Tell them the story. Why not tell him what happened? This is exactly what happened. And I'm shocked. And I want to know, why have you lied to me? Why have you lied to your parents about me? And then just have him answer the question.

[Caller/Participant]

Is there anything he can say that would make it all right?

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

If he's honest about the race issue, would that make it all right? Like he says.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Yeah.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

If he says, my parents. What if he says, I don't know how open my parents would be to me being in a relationship with you. Look, if he's honest about that and says. And so I have been hesitant to tell him about this, so maybe we can tackle it together.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

I just think he should have told me a long time ago.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

No, I. Yeah. I think that this is all on him. I think I would be so hurt and mad.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

I'm not blaming him as much as you guys are. Yeah, yeah. But here's the. Like, I feel absolutely.

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

I don't know.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

I mean, honest with her about it then.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

But.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

But we're assuming that we don't even know. You gotta have the conversation with your first thing. If it's the race issue, you gotta have a per. You have. Have a tough conversation with the person that's close to you.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

If it's one of those things, like, if it's the race issue that is bothering him because he thinks his parents are gonna be affected by it, at what point is the appropriate time to bring that up? And when you realize that it's probably the appropriate time. The appropriate, appropriate time was three months ago. So what ends up happening is now you're like, oh, my God, I should have told her three months ago. And blah, blah, blah. Now she's asking how my mom.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

It's not fair to her. Like, it's the same with me dating somebody who's in the closet. I need to know that you are not acknowledging me to your parents. I need to know that I'm in that situation, and I can make a choice whether I want to stay in this situation or not. So if you have any black genes in your body and somebody is telling you whether you're half black or all black or whatever, and says, you know what? My parents have a problem with any part of that. She needs to know that.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

But he might not know if his parents have a problem with it. Like, that might be why,

[Alex Kanchowitz (Big Technology Podcast Host)]

but you

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

just don't know that yet. So the first step is having the conversation with him about it. Hey, Megan, will you call us back after you decide what you're going to do, if you're going to confront him or not.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

Yes.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Okay, give us an update and let us know why he hasn't told his mom about you.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

All right.

[Keisha (Caller/Participant)]

Thank you so much, Mama.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

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[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And I don't even know what the question is to ask you guys to call up for. Maybe it's just like this open conversation about it, but I'm sure some of you guys have stories when you realized your kids knew more about sex than you thought that they knew. Like your 9 year old comes home and says something that you're like how did you even know about that? These are going to shock you. I mean these are 12 year olds we're talking about here. 12 years old. And as I said before, as a parent of a six year old, you know, I don't always think about it, but I'm certainly present to wondering when I'm supposed to have that Talk with Hayden and how it's going to be awkward no matter what, but it's going to have to be done. And I do know that it's going to have to be before 12 years old according to these stats. Okay, you ready for these?

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

You got to record that.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

What's that?

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

The conversation with Hayden for the era.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

According to a new study by the University of Texas, their School of public health, 12% of 12 year olds, meaning kids in 6th and 7th grade have had sex already. 12%, 12 years old.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Now they study kids outside of Texas too, because that's its own special land.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Yeah, I think that's in the country.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Guess what? By 10 they've got fake boobs and big blonde hair.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I mean, 12% you want to go, ah, 12%, that's one in every 10 of you that are listening that has a 12 year old and you think, you know what I mean, I don't need to have that conversation with. They're already having sex.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Nearly 8% of 12 year olds have engaged in, I'll just say it. Oral. 8% of 12 year olds. 12 year old on a 12 year old. 8%. Six and a half percent of 12 year olds. And again, I mean six and a half percent, you're like, that's not, that means one of your kids listening right now has done this. Or nearly 1 in 15 have engaged in. Back door, back door, back door. 1 in 1512 year olds are knocking on the back door.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

And here's the thing is like, you know, because a lot of people may not think it's their kid. Okay, well, let's say it's not your kid, but there's a kid at school that has. And there's a kid at school that's talking about it. The first time I ever heard about anything and what anything is and how anything's done and drawings or whatever was in school, not from my parents.

[Caller/Participant]

I think what's so sad is they're not allowed to be kids. Like 12 year olds should still be a kid. They want to run around and play and be goofy and be a kid because it's sad that they're having to deal with such adult things so young, stealing their childhood.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

The back door is no game. That is no game. 1 in 15 say that 12 year olds, overall, 1 in 3 sexually active middle school students have had unprotected sex in the past 90 days. One in four have been with four or more partners. 25% 12 year olds that are engaging in sex, if they've done it with One, they've done it with more than that.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

I believe that because at age 12, you don't have the capacity to process what you're doing. So it's just a fun.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

You keep trying.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah, it's a fun thing to do. It's the equivalent of a candy bar. Oh, that's really good. I'm going to do it again.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Melissa can go younger than that on you.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Oh my gosh, listen to this. I just read this maybe five minutes ago where there was a survey that took place in the United Kingdom and they found that one in three girls. One in three girls, all girls between the ages of six and ten. Six and ten. So this is younger than the 12 admit that they have looked at porn sites.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

That's Hayden. That's me. That's me thinking Hayden is doing his math upstairs and I open up his door and there he is on his computer looking at porn at six years old.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

One in three. One in three girls.

[Caller/Participant]

And that's gonna warp their perceptions of everything.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah, that's not where you're body image their don't grow up too fast. You hear that? I heard that when I was young and I thought I'll shut up. But I mean the thing is all this complicates your life. And so I think when we were

[Caller/Participant]

growing up they said don't grow up too fast. When we were like 16, 17 and 18.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

And we're telling us six year old.

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[Caller/Participant]

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[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

John, good morning. You're on Q100. Hi.

[Caller/Participant]

I first had sex when I was 12 because that's when I started doing like drinking and smoking cigarettes and doing everything.

So that means you were a sixth

[Ryan (Caller with Witch Date Story)]

grader in seventh grade.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah.

And who did you have sex with?

Another girl in my class. I used to have my mom take me to school early. Everybody used to hang out. So we went to the auditorium of the school.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

If you could look back on what in your life could have kept you from doing that, what would it have been?

[Caller/Participant]

When I was younger, growing up, my babysitter used to watch all kinds of different kinds of porn around. Like all the kids she was babysitting. We never really thought about it.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And how old was she?

[Caller/Participant]

Late 30s, early 40s.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Oh, I wasn't expecting that.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

You wanted that argument to say no teenage babysitter?

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I did because I have a strict no teen babysitting policy.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

So he was exposed to porn early.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

You just moved babysitters up to 50.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I know, right? Linda, good morning.

[Caller/Participant]

I have been Driving a school bus for 14 years. And I can tell you, 10 years ago, I had my middle school kids talking about going to Six Flags and having oral sex on the roller coasters. I've had kids get offended from school because they've had been caught in the middle school bathrooms having sex.

Why do you think it's younger now than it used to be? Because of their exposure to things? Or is it that whole, like, there's hormones in the milk thing?

It's not like when we were younger. They see it when they play video games, they see it when they watch tv.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

They're totally doing it.

[Caller/Participant]

I'm not surprised at all.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

I don't think parenting is good now as it was years ago. It's not as strict and people aren't paying attention. You didn't have as many things to look over your shoulders, kids for years ago. Now you got to be on top of everything.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

Computers, cell phones, movies, Internet access on your mobile phone.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

It's like we avoid any kind of conversation that's going to be uncomfortable. I mean, you can listen to the show any given day, any given hour, and you can hear how these people call up. They know the advice to give themselves. And that's to talk to your best friend, talk to your mother because you're having a problem with her or your father. But nobody wants to have the awkward conversation. And in this case, parents don't want to have the awkward conversation with their kids. And the result is they're having sex at 12 years old. That's crazy. Melody.

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

I am a school bus driver for Fulton county, and I have actually had 12 year old sixth graders have sex on the bus. And I had to pull over and have the local police come and remove those children.

[Kristen (Caller/Participant)]

How did you know there was children

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

standing up in the back of the bus? And I kept asking the children to sit down. They would not sit down. And they were laughing. A lot of the kids were like, oh my God, look. Look what they're doing. And I could not see. So when I pulled over, the girl was getting off of the boy. She was sitting on top of the boy, and they were actually in the act of having sex.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Nicole is a seventh grader. Hey, Nicole, do these statistics seem a little bit crazy to you?

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

Not at all.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Really? And what grade are you in?

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

I'm in seventh. When I was in fifth grade last year, there were two eighth graders who were pregnant and they had to leave. And then there was three seventh graders who are pregnant.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And seventh grade puts you at what age?

[Caller/Participant]

12, 13.

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

And 12.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

And does it seem like when you look at your group of friends, does it seem like more of them are having sex or less of them are having sex?

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

Well, I don't really hang out with the people who are having sex because I don't want to be influenced by that.

[Caller/Participant]

About what percentage would you say of your class is having sex?

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

Probably two thirds? A half? A little below a half. It's astonishing, like how much you wouldn't think.

[Caller/Participant]

Are they mostly having sex with people their own age or is it older kids?

[T (School Bus Driver Caller)]

They'll be doing it with like people in 8th grade and then some people are doing it with high schoolers.

[Caller/Participant]

High schoolers.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Wow. Okay, thank you.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Thank you for your honesty.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Yeah, I was hoping she was gonna call up and go, no, no, no, no. I don't know anybody like that. No.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

I'm curious though. When she said I don't want to be influenced by that, I wanted to ask her conversation with her parents.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Yeah, like what did they say?

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Obviously that was a conversation she had with her parents to feel that way.

[Caller/Participant]

We've talked about this a hundred times on the Bird show about when you're a teenager, the most important thing in the world is to be accepted by your friends and to feel cool. Right. So if that's what your group is doing, whatever your friend, your kids, friends are doing, that's what your kids are doing too.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Right.

[Caller/Participant]

You know, if they're hanging out with people that are having sex, they're having sex. They're hanging out with people that are doing drugs. They're doing drugs.

[Jeff (Caller/Participant)]

At 12 you're not going to be the holdout.

[Caller/Participant]

No, you want to be.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

Yeah.

[Caller/Participant]

You want to be cool, you want to be accepted. And that's like number one important thing when you're that age because you're just so awkward and you want to belong.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

You know, I look at this, my child who's almost seven years old now, and he seems to me to be like this slice of innocence. I just can't imagine sitting down with him and having that talk at 7 years old. But I guess that's what you want to do. If your alarm just went off at 6:30 this morning. The reason why we were talking about that for the last 10 minutes, there's shocking stats coming out. According to a new study coming out of University of Texas, 12% of 12 year olds, kids in the 6th and 7th grade, 12% have confessed to having sex. 8% of 12 year olds have engaged in oral. 1 in 15 have engaged in the back door already 12 years old y'.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

All.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

1 in 3 sexually active middle school students have had unprotected sex in the last three months. One in four have been with four or more partners by 12 years old. And then there was the Melissa statistic today.

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

Yeah, this came out of United Kingdom. Talking about one in three girls ages six to ten admitted to already looking at porn sites online. One in three girls ages six to ten.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

So when is the appropriate time to have to talk with your kids? It's before 12 now. It's before 12. Hey, the bird show.

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K Pop Demon Hunters. Paja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

[Jen (Caller/Participant)]

It's not a battle. So glad the Saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

It is an honor to share.

[Meg (Caller with Boyfriend's Parents Issue)]

No, it's our honor.

[Ryan Birch (Host of The Bird Show)]

It is our larger honor.

[Tyler Redick]

No, really, stop.

[K Pop Demon Hunters McDonald's Announcer]

You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side

[Chumba Casino Announcer]

and participate at McDonald's while supplies last.