Full Show PT 3: Friday, March 27 [Vault]

Summary

The Bert Show – Full Show PT 3: Friday, March 27 [Vault]

Date: March 27, 2026
Hosts: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy & The Bert Show Cast

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a lively, candid morning radio experience with The Bert Show, skillfully blending personal confessions, listener call-ins, and group banter about family, trust, and messy relationships. The main focus is on real-life predicaments: the struggles of helping kids with homework, insecurity and trust in romantic relationships, and the temptation to stray in a marriage. The team guides callers through relatable quandaries, supported by advice from listeners and honest personal reflection.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. Homework Help Gone Wrong: Navigating Parental Roles

(Starts at 01:00)

Situation

A mom (Beth) calls in, worried that her husband’s efforts to help their eighth-grade son with math homework are actually bringing down the son's homework grades—despite strong quiz and test scores. She grapples with how to approach her husband about this without hurting his feelings or undermining his role.

Insights & Advice

• Homework vs. Test Scores: Beth highlights a concerning divergence: “His homework grades are the lowest by far, significantly lower than the rest of his grades. So it’s clear that he’s suffering there and that he figures things out in class just fine.” (01:59)
• Evidence of Mistakes: Bert asks for details: “Do you have clear evidence? Because this is going to be a tough conversation in any arena.” (03:03)
• Teacher Perspective: Multiple teachers call in, advising:
  • Check with teachers first. Many grade homework on completion, not accuracy. In some cases, the child just needs to attempt the work, not get it right.
  • Set up a parent-teacher meeting (as a couple) to clarify the issue; the teacher can “do the heavy lifting” in explaining requirements.
  • Teachers sometimes provide tutorial sessions for parents to refresh their math skills.
• Parental Dynamics: The group discusses not wanting to alienate or embarrass a partner, while still prioritizing the child’s education.
• Notable Quote: “Maybe teachers have an idea. Maybe other parents that were in the same situation. How do you tell your significant other that your kid is better off not doing homework with them? Because they’re just not picking it up—even if it’s in the eighth grade?” (Host, 04:52)

Memorable Moments & Advice

• Direct Honesty? One caller argues: “Just be honest with him. If he’s a man, he should want what’s best for his son, not his pride.” (08:22)
• Teacher’s Suggestion: “I suggest that she goes to the teacher and sets up like a tutorial session. I do it all the time… I’ll sit down and go over long division because they haven’t done it in 20 years.” (Caller, 06:25)
• Consensus: The most consistent advice—talk to the teacher first, either together or separately, before involving the husband directly in a difficult conversation. Don't make the issue about the partner's failings; let the facts emerge neutrally.

Timestamps

• 01:00 – Bert’s personal dad homework fail story
• 01:54 – Beth introduces her dilemma
• 05:15 – Teachers call in with advice
• 06:25 – Tutor session suggestion
• 07:56 – Discussion on parental roles and ego

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2. Step-Sibling Jealousy: Can You Ever Convince an Insecure Boyfriend?

(13:30)

Situation

Bethany (caller) wants help because her boyfriend is jealous of the close bond she shares with her stepbrother—especially after learning her stepbrother was her first French kiss at age 11, before they became siblings. Bethany insists nothing inappropriate has happened since, but her boyfriend's suspicions escalate, threatening the relationship.

Key Discussion Points

• Backstory: Bethany explains, “Three months into the relationship, [boyfriend] met my stepbrother, who’s a model in New York. We’re really close... I told my boyfriend the story—my stepbrother was actually my first French kiss. At the time, we weren’t related.” (14:10)
• Boyfriend's Insecurities: The group speculates the boyfriend’s jealousy is less about the childhood kiss, more about:
  • Her brother being an attractive male model
  • Their frequent communication and trips to New York
  • The boyfriend’s possible discomfort with their closeness and feeling second-best
• Listener Opinions:
  • Some think “there’s more to it,” suggesting emotional boundaries are blurred.
  • "He probably can't process that," says a listener, referencing how Bethany shares big life updates with her brother, sometimes before her boyfriend. (24:14)

Advice and Debate

• Lie detector idea: Bethany is open to a lie detector to prove her innocence.
• Sibling Dynamics: The show discusses misunderstandings by people who didn’t grow up with siblings. “He’s an only child who doesn’t understand.” (23:02)
• Red Flags: Bert cautions, “If that’s the case, I say dump him now because he’s gonna have jealousy issues with dudes your entire relationship.” (25:02)

Notable Quotes

• “I think it happened once he saw that he really was a model in New York.” (18:37)
• “I just don’t think that there is anybody on earth that could be that insecure that because you had a kiss with somebody at 11 years old...” (22:36)

Timestamps

• 13:30 – Segment intro and Bethany presents dilemma
• 15:04 – Age and nature of the childhood “kiss”
• 17:24 – Bert questions her trips to NYC
• 21:29 – Listener skepticism and debate
• 25:02 – Host gives relationship advice

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3. Infidelity Temptation: Should She Cheat on Her Husband?

(26:47)

Situation

Joanne (anonymized) is married with a five-year-old stepdaughter but confesses to never truly being in love with her husband. She’s on the verge of an emotional affair—meeting another man for dinner while her husband’s away. Unsure whether to proceed, she seeks validation or a "shock" to keep her from cheating.

Key Discussion Points

• Emotional Disconnection: “I love him and I care deeply about him. Feels more like he’s my best friend. I don’t feel stimulated by him.” (27:59)
• Affair Temptation: A new man at work excites her. Plans for a dinner-with-implications are set.
• Seeking Guidance: Joanne wants someone to talk her out of it. Bert suggests sharing real-life stories of regret from others who cheated.
• Real-Life Impact:
  • Tina – Child of an unfaithful parent: “How could you even consider that without even thinking about everyone else involved? …You have a child that is looking up to you.” (32:26)
  • April – Did cheat: “Now I’m alone, unmarried, and the guy that I potentially ruined my life for, I haven’t heard from him in months.” (33:42)
  • Jason – “Now I’ve been divorced for nine years. My kids look at me different, my parents look at me different… it’s an emotional scar that I’ve carried with me for nine years.” (34:39)

Cohost Reflection

“Because you consciously made that decision. You made decisions. They were bad decisions, but those weren’t mistakes. And you’re gonna have to live with those.” (38:07)

Notable Quotes

• “I almost want to do it, and then realize how much I love my husband or something.” (32:07)
• “You have an obligation to go about this in the right way if you’re even considering it. This will. This will ruin. Ruin her trust in relationships.” (32:26 - Tina)
• “It was fantastic for about a month, and now I’ve been living with it for about nine years now. Honey, don’t do it.” (35:59 - Jason)

Outcome

After hearing these calls, Joanne’s certainty drops from “99% sure” to “half and half” about proceeding with the affair. The segment underscores that infidelity has long-lasting, damaging effects beyond the initial thrill, especially on children.

Timestamps

• 26:47 – Joanne’s story introduction
• 27:52 – Emotional honesty about her marriage
• 32:26 – Voices of experience, warnings about cheating
• 37:41 – Bert summarizes the cascading decisions ahead

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• On approaching a partner about their weaknesses:
  “You don’t want to be told, look, you can’t handle our 8th grader’s math.” (Host, 09:04)

• Relationships & insecurity:
  “For the boyfriend, he’s like, I don’t understand why y’ all are that close.” (Co-host, 24:35)

• On infidelity’s aftermath:
  “If you go, if you continue your conversations with this guy and go to dinner, you will not be able to resist the temptation.” (Co-host, 37:32)

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Episode Flow Snapshot

| Timestamp | Segment/Theme | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:00 | Homework help fails: Family roles & advice | | 13:30 | Step-sibling jealousy & relationship trust | | 26:47 | Should I cheat? Callers recount life-altering consequences | | 39:13+ | Outro/ads - End of episode content |

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Conclusion

This episode is a prime example of The Bert Show’s unfiltered, fun-yet-frank conversational approach to the real dilemmas listeners (and sometimes the hosts) face. Through humor, empathy, and tough love, the show reminds us that honesty—with others and with ourselves—is hard but necessary, and that the consequences of taking a shortcut in difficult conversations or relationships are often more enduring than we imagine.

For those missing the show, this summary brings you right into the thick of the drama, laughs, and practical wisdom.

Transcript

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[Host (Burt)]

Listen, it's the vert show. So I was telling these guys a couple of days ago that Stacey goes away for the weekend and I've got Hayden's homework there and we do it together. And then I find out on Monday that I butchered two assignments that we were supposed to identify some stuff outside the house and he was supposed to write a sentence about it and I didn't read it correctly. So we identified some stuff inside the house. And the second thing was he was supposed to put a big old poster together with all these family memories. And I didn't even see that homework assignment. And he walked into class on Monday and the teacher was all excited about it because it's. He's star student this week. And the first thing you do is you show off your big family and your poster and he walks in there empty handed.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Oops.

[Host (Burt)]

So I hack it. And Beth must have been listening because she's in the same situation, except it's her husband that is trying and trying and trying. He's getting her wrong. Getting her wrong. Getting her wrong. Hey, Beth. Good morning.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Good morning, everyone.

[Host (Burt)]

Hi. How are you?

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Yeah, yeah, I'm in a situation with my husband. I'm not quite sure how to talk about it or address it with him. My son is in eighth grade and his teacher, his teachers all break up their grades into quizzes and tests and homework and projects. And his homework grades are the lowest by Far, significantly lower than the rest of his grades. So it's clear that he's suffering there and that he figures things out in class just fine. And I get home later than my husband. So my husband is the one who usually helps him with homework before dinner. And it's mostly basic algebra, basic geometry. My husband is a landscape artist. He should understand these things, but apparently he doesn't. I don't know, I guess my son has just sort of begun to rely on him and he's screwing it up. So I'm not quite sure.

[Host (Burt)]

Now, do you have clear evidence? Because this is going to be a tough conversation in any arena.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Well, I mean, like I said, the homework grade is very low and you know, it'll come back and it'll have kind of erase marks and I could see that as my husband's handwriting in certain places and that's embarrassing and I wouldn't want his teacher to know that. And obviously my son is very sweet natured and he wouldn't. I think he's sort of just going with whatever my husband is sort of helping him do. So I don't think he. And obviously I wouldn't say anything to my son like don't go to bed for homework anymore, secretly come to me, you know, but it's, you can't do that.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I mean, just based on what Bert said about the evidence. I mean. So you're getting the homework papers back and it's got those marks on it.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Yeah, yeah. Or you know, I'll check them before he goes to school and just look over it. But I, you know, I just like, I come home late, I cook dinner, and then I don't have time to really sit down and go over everything. So it's, it's a lot to do for me, but. So I'm in a spot, you know, I'm not sure.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

And you haven't talked to him about this at all yet?

[Host (Burt)]

Well, how do you. I think that's what we're getting at. Like how do you appeal?

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

We just, yeah, we just got the report, so.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Okay, so this is been, hasn't been happening for a while. This has just started happening.

[Host (Burt)]

How long are we talking about here?

[Caller or Guest]

Well, it's been kind of a whole

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

year actually, on and off. And it's mostly been the math grades that have been suffering. But it's all again, like his test scores are good, so I'm not, you know, the homework that, and he was, he was, we kind of let him do it himself for a little while in the beginning. We're like, oh, he's in eighth grade now. We didn't want to monitor him all the time, but he was suffering on his own. So that's where my husband stepped in

[Host (Burt)]

and, and started hacking it a lot, sitting with him.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

And it's kind of gotten worse.

[Host (Burt)]

Let's try to get some advice for you here. 404, 741. Q100. Maybe teachers have an idea. Maybe other parents that were in the same situation. How do you tell your significant other that your kid is better off not doing homework with them because they're just not picking it up, even if it's in the eighth grade? Good morning, Christy. You are on the Burt Show. Hi.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Hi.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Yes.

[Caller - Teacher or Listener]

I just wanted to say that I'm actually a teacher and I don't teach math, but a lot of my friends do, and most of them grade homework based on completion. And before causing any disharmony in the home, I would suggest talking to the teacher to find out why the homework grade is so low and then go from there. Because like I say, most of it is graded on completion, not accuracy. Because most teachers just want to see

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

that it's being attempted.

[Host (Burt)]

I like this idea of both of you guys going to the teacher because as parents, you're both concerned about his grades on homework, so you haven't even figured it out. So you both go to the teacher together and you're all trying to solve this thing together, and it's going to be blatantly obvious by the end of that conference what's going on. And maybe you never have to say a word.

[Co-host (Bert)]

That's a great idea.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Teacher does the work for you.

[Host (Burt)]

Teacher's doing all the work for you. That might be the only way out.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I'm just imagining all these parents. I didn't never thought about this not being a parent, but some parents having to do homework on their own just to be able to help their kids with their homework.

[Host (Burt)]

I'm sure that goes on because when

[Co-host (Bert)]

you said geometry, I thought, man, if I had to help my kids geometry, I'd have to like, on the side be tutored again, you know?

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Absolutely.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey, Angie, good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller - Teacher]

Hi.

I'm a teacher also, and my suggestion to her is to I teach fourth grade and we get this all the time. We get parents who try their best to help their kids but don't really remember the concepts because it's been so long. I suggest that she goes to the teacher and sets up like a tutorial session. I do it all the time. Where the teacher shows the parent how to help their kid.

[Host (Burt)]

Oh, really? Now how do you have that initial conversation with the parent, though? Because that's going to be an offensive one right there. Like you gotta go to school.

[Caller - Teacher]

Usually the parent initiates it with me and I just facilitate it. I welcome it because they have a genuine concern and I'll sit down with them and go over long division because they haven't done it in 20 years. It's not that she can. It's just that she. She does not remember, you know?

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Right.

[Co-host (Bert)]

That would be me.

[Caller - Listener]

Or why not just get a tutor in general? Instead of dad sitting down with the son to teach the homework to, why don't you just have like a separate tutor who knows math to sit down with the.

[Host (Burt)]

Well, maybe you don't have the cash for that. I mean, because that costs a little bit extra.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

That's a good solution. I mean, if that's the way they need to go.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah. I kind of like Bert's idea better, though, because I do think it's important for a parent to spend that time with the kid if they can.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

And if she said teachers are willing, digest, give the guidance to the parents, then that would be the best way to go.

[Host (Burt)]

Do you approach the teacher first? I'm wondering as the mom here, and go, look, I gotta be honest with you. Here's what's going on. My husband's staying home, blah, blah, blah, blah. He isn't picking up on the assignment. So when we all sit in your office on Thursday, I know what's going on. Can you make it or do you just let it happen sort of organically?

[Co-host (Bert)]

But based on what that teacher said, though it may not be his ignorance that's causing the low grade on the homework. You know, she was saying it's just there may not be enough problem solving on the paper that is causing that to happen. You know what I mean? Like so.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Yeah. And I wouldn't show the divide between the parents. I wouldn't reveal.

[Host (Burt)]

I'm not saying he would never. He would ever know.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Yeah. But I don't reveal that to the

[Caller - Listener]

teacher that he's doing the homework either.

[Host (Burt)]

Tony, good Morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller - Listener]

Good morning, guys. I love you. I have a son, he's in third grade, and I'm terrified for when he starts getting into higher levels of math

[Host (Burt)]

because I know my shortcomings.

[Caller - Listener]

But it sounds like he's a good dad. He's helping his son with his homework every day. Why don't you just go straight to him? And say, hey, you know, there's a problem with his homework. Let's sit down and do this work together and see what the problem is. If he doesn't know what he's doing, just tell him. If he's a man, he should be, you know, interested in what's best for his son, not his pride, and just be open and honest with it. Y' all wanting to do all these things to skirt around the issue and be nice about it. This is a man, he's a father. He should want what's best for his son. Just be honest with him.

[Host (Burt)]

I guess you're trying to sort of not offend, like you don't want to be told, look, you can't handle our 8th graders math.

[Caller or Guest]

That's gonna hurt.

[Host (Burt)]

I mean, Tony may be open minded, but I think a lot of guys would fight that unless he knows it.

[Co-host (Bert)]

And he'd be relieved by the conversation, you know?

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Well, and she wants to encourage him continuing to spend time with their kid and doing the homework and all that kind of stuff. She doesn't want to discourage it or put him on the defense or something. Defense.

[Host (Burt)]

The defense, the defense. Very Bobby Bowden defense.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Why did I say it like that?

[Host (Burt)]

On the defense.

[Co-host (Bert)]

That means you're serious. Jen's drunk, too.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

It's okay, Christy.

[Host (Burt)]

Good morning. You're on Q100. I think most of the calls now are coming in from teachers all saying basically the same thing. Okay, go ahead, Christy.

[Caller - Teacher]

Hey, I actually teach seventh grade math. And what I was telling her is that the math that I teach is actually what I learned in like 10th grade, and I'm only like 26. So you're talking parents who are maybe 30s and later who haven't seen this stuff in 20 years. I mean, it's not really like that crazy of an idea to think that they wouldn't understand it. And I'm more open. Teachers or parents come to me and ask me about what's going on. Because, like another caller said, I take grades based on completion because I don't expect to just teach it and they get it in one night. That's not what I expect. So if she can maybe go to her, maybe the kid isn't. I mean, not to say he want the child, but maybe he's just not completing all the work and, you know, or saying he is and then not doing it. I would try to get like the full story from the teacher and then approach it from there because they do have all kinds of programs. I know we have free after school tutoring and we have something called student support team, where they get together with the parents and kid and they talk about what they need to do to work on their grades and things like that.

[Host (Burt)]

So are you suggesting that she go to the teacher. Teacher by herself independently, or she and the husband go together?

[Caller - Teacher]

Yeah, I would probably go by herself first if she's concerned about maybe this is more of his problem sort of thing. Like the dad then figure out before she goes to him and says, hey, I think you're screwing this up.

[Host (Burt)]

You know, either way, the advice that's coming in is you got to talk to the teacher. If you do it independently or you do it as a couple, that's your call. But everybody's saying go to the teacher first.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

What do you think you want to do?

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

I think it's good advice.

[Host (Burt)]

I think that's the only advice you're gonna get because I don't think that. I mean, that dude Tony sounded cool and all, but I think most guys would be pretty offended by that conversation. Even if they know what's best for the kid, it's still be tough to work around the ego.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Yeah, I think. But I agree with Jen. If you can go together and can go as a couple, like, oh, well, he's, you know, why don't we just go to the teacher and ask why he's. Why he is getting these poor grades instead of the husband. And then when they go, the teacher will say it.

[Host (Burt)]

All right, Beth.

[Co-host (Bert)]

United fronts.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Well, thank you all so much.

[Host (Burt)]

Thanks a lot.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

It's been really helpful.

[Host (Burt)]

Listen, it's the virt show.

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[Host (Burt)]

This is Bethany and we have suggested that she use the lie detector.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Okay?

[Host (Burt)]

She wants to prove to her boyfriend that she has never had anything physical or any kind of attraction to her stepbrother.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Weird.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey, Bethany, if you hear one, you hear them all.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Take my call.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, thanks for calling. So you got us. Give us a little history here because we're all real curious about what your boyfriend saw that makes him think that you've been hooking up with.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I know it sounds like kind of messed up, like, you know, with hooking up with stepbrother, but when I explain it, you're going to totally see where I'm coming from here. So my boyfriend and I have been dating for about like six months, something like that.

[Host (Burt)]

Okie doke.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Three months into the relationship, he met my stepbrother. My stepbrother came down. He lives in New York and he's a model. And so we're really close. So we text all the time and we email. And I have the means where I can go visit him in New York often. So we're really, really close. So after my boyfriend met my stepbrother, I decided to tell him the story, which I thought was funny, was that my stepbrother was actually my first French Kias. But at the time, okay, don't get me wrong, at the time, we weren't stepbrother and stepsister. Like, we grew up next door. His parents were divorced, mine were getting divorced. And then what ultimately happened was that our parents got married. But at the time, like, we were just kids. You know, like kids go, you know, mess around in the garage. It was something like that.

[Host (Burt)]

What's the. What's the definition of kid? How old are you?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I don't know. I mean, we were like 11, something like that.

[Caller or Guest]

Like young.

[Co-host (Bert)]

So this really happened because the way you said it was, you thought it was funny to tell him so you real. This really was your first French kiss?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Yeah. You know, but it's like to me, it's like. Oh, you know, it's like what you do when you're kids, you know, like when you fake get married when you're kid, you know, like you ever do that? Like the silly stuff like that?

[Caller - Listener]

Was it like you guys were dating or is it like you own a French kiss? Yeah, I'll have a French kiss. Do you want a French kiss? Yeah, I'll French kiss. And then you went like behind.

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

It was like. Have you ever French kissed?

[Caller - Teacher]

No.

[Caller - Teacher or Listener]

Have you French kiss?

[Caller - Listener]

Why didn't.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Okay, we're in the garage, you know, we're just friends and whatever. Right.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Trying to emulate the movie scene. You're moving your head side to side a lot.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Exactly like that. It wasn't like there's a real attraction here. We were just like best friends who grew up and it was like a boring afternoon.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Okay, well, why did you tell your boyfriend this though?

[Host (Burt)]

No, I think, I think it's legit. Like if.

[Co-host (Bert)]

If he becomes your stepbrother and then you tell your boyfriend that story.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, I mean, it happened when they were 11 years. It's a funny story that I would tell Stacy.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

It's one of those things, you know, because he's like, oh, you guys, you know, you guys talk all the time, so close. And I was like, oh, well, you know, there was this one time and I thought it was. I think it's funny because I'm like, what are the odds then that, you know, you like grow up next to your best friend and then your parents get married and then it's like, oh, well, okay, well, now we're brother and sister. And nothing ever happened after that, like, ever. Like there was nothing sexual or physical or anything. Like we just grew up as best friends. Like, that's just what happened. And so we stayed in touch to this day, which is why we email and text all the time. But now it's gotten to the point ever. I've already told that story. You know, my boyfriend kind of laughed

[Caller - Listener]

it off at first.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Like, haha, that's kind of funny and weird. Now it's gotten to the point where this is like, this is an issue and now it's become a point of fight. And now it's actually kind of wearing on the relationship because I'm still so close to my stepbrother and I'm not going to stop being close to him just because I told the story of when we were like kids, let Me

[Host (Burt)]

pause you for just one second because you said that you will frequently go up to New York City and you will visit him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. On any of those trips, when you guys are just one on one with each other, you're hanging out in bars like best friends do or anything. There has never been anything physical whatsoever between the two of you guys?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

No, I 100% guarantee, like, nothing. Like, I. And I wouldn't. I'm not the kind of person that would do that. Like, I would never, first of all, I wouldn't as an adult, have anything physical with my stepbrother. Okay. And then second of all, I do really, really love my boyfriend. Like, we have a great relationship until this whole thing came up. And now it's just like, wearing on me. And I don't want to sacrifice either relationship, but I need to convince him, which is why I sent an email to Tracy. I was like, I need to convince him, my boyfriend, that I'm not hooking up. Which is when she mentioned you guys have this lie detector, which at this point, like, I'm willing to do anything because now it's just getting out of hand. So I need to prove to him

[Caller - Listener]

I'm not hooking up.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I think he was threatened by your stepbrother before you ever told the story. Because I think for. And guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but like, if you're starting to date a girl and her best friend is a guy, and in your mind you're like, okay, I know this is her stepbrother, but they're not related. Is there any. I mean, and she texts and calls all the time. Do you think there's anything to the fact that he may have been threatened already and then that she's closer to him than she is to the boyfriend? And then to tell the story on top of it.

[Host (Burt)]

Nope.

[Caller - Listener]

I think it happened once he saw that he really was a model in New York.

[Host (Burt)]

He's a good looking dude.

[Caller - Listener]

If you're a model, that's tough to work around for a guy. And if you're a model in New York City, that means you're in the top 1/2 of 1% of models. You know what I'm saying?

[Host (Burt)]

It sounds so ridiculous, Bethany, that if he was on the phone with us, if your boyfriend was on the phone, he wouldn't point to something else that happened after you were 11. There was no time in New York where he couldn't get in touch with you and you just happened to be with your stepbrother or some other Detail. Cuz it sounds like a ridiculous psychological.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

I don't know, it does seem ridiculous.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

It sounds like this is too much. But I can't, and I honestly cannot think of any other time when I would have misled him or given him cause to, you know, question me or my motives. Like I'm a faithful girlfriend, you know, but I'm also just having to be a really good friend to my stepbrother. So I think, well, you guys are

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

siblings, you know, I mean, you know, we're getting hung up on the fact that you're not blood related. But if you guys have grown up together from what, 11 or when did your, when did your parents get married and when did you become step siblings?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Oh, let's see. We. The thing happened when we were 11. They probably got married probably about a year and a half to two years after that. And then we had like grown up and played together before that. So we had known each other for a while.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

So from let's say 13 on, you guys are living in the same house as siblings. And I just think that, I just

[Host (Burt)]

think there's something more here like that. Like if we had him on the phone, he would say, well, she changes her tone when she talks about him.

[Announcer]

Or just need that.

[Caller - Listener]

Here you are.

[Host (Burt)]

Because nobody sketches out over an 11 year old kiss.

[Caller - Listener]

No, she's going up to New York City every month to hang with a guy who's a model that she can fend, that's fine.

[Co-host (Bert)]

But hooked up with their step siblings

[Caller - Listener]

and you know, this only became an issue once. A dude, once boyfriend saw what brother looked like. So here you are going up to New York City. I'm sure if he's a model in New York you're doing cool model things and going to cool model parties and hanging out with cool model people and dudes down here in Atlanta doing non model things, sitting around with average looking people, which I've done and it's not fun. So I think that.

[Host (Burt)]

I think you mean you do.

[Caller - Listener]

I think from time to time when I'm feeling charitable.

[Podcast Host]

So

[Host (Burt)]

I was right. He's the most insecure guy I've ever heard.

[Caller - Listener]

Absolutely.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

How would that have made it? Is that gonna make a difference? Like if he wasn't a model and I had told him this story, you know, would he still be acting the same way? I don't think that, like I don't know what the issue then gets down to.

[Host (Burt)]

Hey, Jessica, Good morning. You're part of the bird show. Hi.

[Caller - Teacher or Listener]

Um, hi. I was calling because it just sounds Too hideous. You know, that's her brother she talks about. Even though it's her stepbrother, I go and visit him and all that. What's happened is I think it went a little further than that. And she just doesn't want to be open with it. And this is her way of trying to cover it up. To shame on herself with the family and to shame on herself with her boyfri.

[Host (Burt)]

Wow, you have really picked this thing apart. What did she say in the course of the last three minutes for you to draw up that whole situation?

[Caller - Teacher or Listener]

Well, the whole thing about it is she just constantly keeps saying she, you know, I have the means to go visit him and da, da, da. The last thing I want to do is see my brother. If he lives in another state, stay over there.

[Host (Burt)]

I mean, well, if he was good looking, you might feel differently now.

[Caller - Listener]

I think you can let Jen attest to that because if you could, you would go visit your brother every weekend, wouldn't you? I mean, you would hang out.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Absolutely, yeah. If I could, yeah.

[Caller - Listener]

Same with my sibling.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

I mean, I tell my brother I love him on the phone and I just can't imagine my boyfriend being jealous of me saying I love you to my brother or talking to my brother or spending time with my brother.

[Caller - Listener]

French kissing your brother?

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Oh, gross.

[Co-host (Bert)]

He was threatened by him before that story, I think.

[Host (Burt)]

I just don't think that there is anybody on earth that could be that insecure that because you had a kiss with somebody at 11 years old when you did.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I think it's more than that.

[Host (Burt)]

There's something else going on. Hey, Lisa, good morning. You're on Q100.

[Caller - Teacher]

Good morning.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I'm thinking that he just.

[Host (Burt)]

He's just looking for a way out of the relationship.

[Caller - Teacher]

There's no way he could be jealous of a kiss at 11 years old.

[Caller - Listener]

Did we already ask if he has any siblings? Your boyfriend, not your brother.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

He doesn't.

[Caller - Listener]

There you go. He's an only child who doesn't understand.

[Co-host (Bert)]

And we've talked about weird only kids.

[Caller - Listener]

Yeah, we've talked about this before.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

He's real self involved. Only children.

[Caller - Listener]

I don't understand. Like, Melissa has talked about her relationship with her siblings and Jen talks about how her and her brother sleep in the same sleeping bag during Christmas.

They used to say snuggie.

Yes.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

And I would be totally fine with that because he's my brother. Right.

[Caller - Listener]

Like the little, you know, shower together ceremony they do and all that stuff. So I don't understand that I'm the

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

only, only child in the room.

[Caller - Listener]

I don't understand that because I'm an only child. So I think, gee, can you tell if he's an. Stop talking when I am talking, please.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

You're full of cr.

[Caller - Listener]

So all I'm saying is he doesn't understand the relationship because it is cool to see Jen with her brother and how excited she gets when he comes to town or when she gets to go visit him or when they're gonna be in Florida together. So he doesn't understand that. So he is totally weirded out by this girl telling another guy that she loves him. Going to visit him.

[Co-host (Bert)]

She probably talks to him more than she talks to the boyfriend.

[Caller - Listener]

Probably getting excited. Oh, my God, I can't wait. Friday at 5:00', clock, gonna be on a plane to New York to see my brother. Like, he probably can't process that.

[Host (Burt)]

Can guys really be that insecure? We're talking about her stepbrother here that she's going to visit. Yeah,

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

he doesn't understand the relationship. Plus this story about them as kids.

[Co-host (Bert)]

And I think it's more than just, hey, I think she talks to him all the time. She texts him all the time. She goes to see him all the time. And for the boyfriend, he's like, I don't understand why y' all are that close.

[Caller - Listener]

And it's a newer relationship with the boyfriend. So when something great happens, when she gets a raise at work or, you know, survives the latest round of layoffs or whatever, the good news is that she has to share. She probably tells her brother at the same time or before she tells her boyfriend. That'll weird a guy out.

[Host (Burt)]

I think it's a big old red flag. If that's the case. I say dump him now because he's gonna have jealousy issues with dudes. Your entire relationship. Here's what we'll do. Bethany, what are you doing around 10:30 or 11:00 clock this morning?

[Caller - Listener]

Talking to my brother.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Talk to you guys if you can help me out. This is important for me to get straightened out.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, I'll call you with the on the lie detector and we can straighten the whole thing out.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

All right, thanks, guys. I appreciate it.

[Host (Burt)]

All right, bye bye. This is the Bird Show.

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[Host (Burt)]

Joanne wants to be on the voice disguiser. Good morning, Joanne.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Hi.

[Host (Burt)]

Hi. How are you?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I'm okay.

[Caller - Listener]

What's wrong?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

How are you guys?

[Caller - Concerned Mom]

Okay.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Curious.

[Host (Burt)]

This is a. This is. Joanne emailed us and said it's pretty much a make or break weekend for her.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Okay.

[Host (Burt)]

She's got a lot riding on the line and she's teetering on a decision she has to make, basically. Okay, go ahead.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Okay. So I've been married to my husband for about four years and we have. I have a stepdaughter. She's five years old, and I love her so much. And my husband and I are. We get along really well. He's a really good guy. He's a really good guy and he's fantastic. But I don't feel in. I've never felt in love with him. I just. I love him and so I feel sort of half satisfied all the time.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay.

[Co-host (Bert)]

And you've never been in love with him?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

That sounds awful, but no.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Okay.

[Caller - Listener]

Wow.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

But I love him and I care deeply about him. Feels more like he's my best friend. I don't feel stimulated by him.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Okay.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

So that's that. And I have met this man that I work with. He's not in my company, he's in another company. And we've met and, you know, we had lunches together, business lunches, but just. Just the two of us. And we were really. And it's just like sparkling. It's like this beautiful thing. And nothing has happened between Us. But yet at all.

[Caller - Teacher]

And.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

But my husband is going out of town this weekend, and my stepdaughter is going to be with her mother. And this man that I have met and I have been planning to go to dinner tonight, and there is. It is implied that it's a date. And I don't know.

[Caller - Listener]

Does the guy that you're going to dinner with know you're married?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

He does.

[Host (Burt)]

So it's sort of like it's progressed to a point where you guys have. Even if you haven't said it, you're attracted to each other. There's something there. Does he know that your husband is going out of town this weekend?

[Caller or Guest]

Yes.

[Host (Burt)]

So he's thinking dinner and possibilities.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

We're both thinking dinner and possibilities. And that's been said more or less.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

Back to your relationship with your husband. Have you talked to him about the problems you're having? Obviously, it's in the bedroom.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

It's actually not really in the bedroom. It's.

[Co-host (Guest or Panelist)]

So you guys are having a regular life together that's intimate and romantic.

[Caller - Listener]

We.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

It's intimate and though literal sense. But I feel like I'm five miles away. And he doesn't even know that, which scares me. He doesn't even sense that I'm not really there.

[Host (Burt)]

You know, she's just unfulfilled. I mean, she's married a guy that she's not in love with. She's unfulfilled. She's living in a house where she just doesn't have a lot of love there. And now she's found a guy that's sparking her interest. Are you in love with this guy? Or is this just like, wow, really exciting and you're just.

[Caller or Guest]

You're restless, you know, I feel like,

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

how can you know? There's so much lust. There's so much that hasn't happened. But I feel more in love than I've ever felt. I feel like this is what it's supposed to be, and I didn't know that it could be.

[Host (Burt)]

So what exactly are you looking for from us?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I guess I almost want you to tell me. Don't, you know, like, don't, don't, don't do it. Or, you know, okay, I'll tell you,

[Co-host (Bert)]

don't do it, if that's what you need to hear. But you're not going to. But you're not gonna follow that advice.

[Host (Burt)]

You know, I thought about this last night, and universally in here, we're gonna tell you not to do it. What I thought would be the most impactful Thing to do is put people on the voice disguiser that have done this and have had horrible experience. They couldn't live with themselves. Their guilt just overrode them. They knew it was the wrong thing to do, but they did it anyway. And what the next day was like, and the next week was like. The first time that they saw their husband's face, the first time that they saw their wives face. I want somebody to shock you into not doing this this weekend.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Okay.

[Caller - Listener]

Are you planning to stay with your husband after the fact? Like as soon as he gets back?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I don't know. It feels like a test, you know? Like I don't know what I'm planning. I don't have a plan.

[Caller - Listener]

So you're gonna test drive him and if it goes good, then you're gonna stay with him. If it doesn't go good, test drive.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

That's what she's doing.

[Caller - Listener]

Yeah, I just wheeling him around the lot. Gonna hit on the head on the highway real quick.

[Co-host (Bert)]

I just never feel. I mean, I think that there' syou're at the stage where you feel that these are two separate issues. That you're with this guy at work or you're lusting after him and that your husband at home is this dud in your heart. But I feel like they're totally connected and one is coming from the other. So you have to complete one before you can move on to the other. Like, if you are not in love with your husband, you're not being fulfilled. That's an issue in itself. And this guy at work is a part of that.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

I almost want to do it and then realize how much I love my husband or something. Or I wanted to like, validate that or something.

[Host (Burt)]

I don't. Yeah, I don't know that's gonna happen.

[Caller - Teacher or Listener]

All right.

[Host (Burt)]

Here is not exactly what I was looking for, but could be pretty shocking too. Tina, do you want to be on the voice disguiser? No, go ahead.

[Caller or Guest]

This woman is so incredibly selfish for even considering such a thing. My parents went through the exact same thing. My mother was cheated on by two different husbands. And the impact that it has on her, that it's had on our family. And as a child, I have no trust. I've had serious trust issues. And it's. I don't know. How can you. How could you even consider that without even thinking about everyone else involved? This is not about just you. You have a child that is looking up to you. Whether she is yours or not, she looks up to you. This is just selfish. You need to Be more mature, more responsible, and go about things in the right manner and realize that you will destroy someone. You have an obligation to go about this in the right way if you're even considering it. This will. This will ruin. Ruin her trust in relationships. This is setting the stage for her.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, so what Tina is saying here is, are you willing to live with the scar that you might put on your stepdaughter after this weekend?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Right.

[Host (Burt)]

April, you're on the voice disguise or. Good morning.

[Caller - Listener]

I just wanted to tell the caller I just came out of a situation like that about maybe two or three months ago, my marriage was on the rock, and I met this guy at work, and I began to have feelings for him, and he began to have feelings for me. And we talked about being together, what it would be like when we got. When I got divorced and this, that, and the other. And so I went ahead and I did it. And it went on for a while, and I thought we were in love and got divorced. And then he started to pull away from me. And so now I'm left wondering what would have been of my marriage. Did I really do everything I could do to fix things. And now I'm alone, unmarried, and the guy that I potentially ruined my life for, I haven't heard from him in months.

[Host (Burt)]

Jason, go ahead. You're on Q100. And do you want to be on the voice disguiser?

[Caller - Listener]

No, I don't need to be.

[Host (Burt)]

Okay, go ahead.

[Caller - Listener]

Hey. I would highly discourage the caller. I was married 15 years, had a good marriage, and gave in to somebody at work and thought I knew this person, thought they was a great, wonderful friend, and gave in. And now I've been divorced for nine years. My kids look at me different, my parents look at me different, my friends and associates look at me different. And it's an emotional scar that I've carried with me for nine years.

[Caller - Teacher]

Years.

[Caller - Listener]

And it's affected every relationship I've tried to have since the divorce. And all in all, the affair after the divorce, I thought, well, okay, at least this is going to take off and go now. She actually turned into a completely different woman. I didn't know her. I was conceived. And, sweetie, I would highly recommend separating yourself from the situation. It's not a burden that's carried lightly. TV and movie stars, everybody makes it look so wonderful. And I'll be honest with you, it was. It was fantastic for about a month, and now I've been living with it for about nine years now. Honey, don't do it.

[Host (Burt)]

So it's intoxicating at first. So you might have a great time on Saturday or Friday night or whatever. You might have a great time. It's intoxicating. See? But what he's saying is he's nine years later and he thinks that his friends look different at him, his family looks different, his kids are looking differently at him. That's what is all riding on the line on Friday night for you.

[Caller - Listener]

It's very similar to this show. Like, in the beginning, everybody's like, wow, you guys are part of the Bird show. And now people look at me different. They judge me, they stare at me.

[Co-host (Bert)]

But there, I mean, I have friends who are children of cheating parents. And it does affect them the rest of their lives. It affects what they feel that they're capable of doing. And if they're able to be in a trusting relationship and if they're able to 100% trust other people. And I mean, it is. The repercussions of it, I don't think are worth it. I mean, it's just. And again, I mean, it's not fair to your husband to do it to him.

[Host (Burt)]

Why? I mean, we could get into your relationship with your husband and attack this from a million different ways. We just don't have the time to do it. The truth of the matter is, I've got five people on the line that are telling you that if you do it this weekend, and even if the affair just lasts three or four weeks, the effects of it are going to affect you for a long, long, long, long, long time. And you may be affecting your child also. You know, so.

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Right.

[Caller - Listener]

What are the chances that you're going tonight? Percentage. What were the chances before you got on the phone with us and what are the chances now?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

The chances of four were. I was like 99% sure I was going to go, and now I'm like half and half.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Because the thing is, if you go, if you continue your conversations with this guy and go to dinner, you will not be able to resist the temptation.

[Host (Burt)]

Yeah, you've got a lot of decisions to make today. You're not going to make a mistake today. You're not going to look back at this and go, I just made a mistake. You're about to make five decisions probably today. And these aren't mistakes. These are, should I text him back? Should I call him back? Should I go to dinner tonight? When you're at dinner tonight, should I take him back to my place? Those are four right there. And those aren't mistakes. If you say yes to those, you can't look back at it and say, I just made a mistake for one night.

[Co-host (Bert)]

Because you consciously made that decision.

[Host (Burt)]

You made decisions. They were bad decisions, but those weren't mistakes. And you're gonna have to live with those.

[Caller - Listener]

And don't forget, things that you do drunk don't really count.

[Host (Burt)]

Joanne, will you give us some real honesty if we talk to you about the same time?

[Caller - Bethany / Joanne / Other female callers]

Sure.

[Host (Burt)]

All right. Bye. Bye. This is the Birch Show.

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