Full Show PT 3: Tuesday, December 2 [Vault]

Summary

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The Bert Show – Full Show PT 3: Tuesday, December 2 [Vault]

Published Dec 2, 2025 | Podcast by Pionaire Podcasting

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Episode Overview

This episode features the Bert Show team delivering their signature blend of humor, real-life drama, and audience participation. The main theme centers around helping listeners craft “crisis PR plans” — creative excuses or spins for sticky, embarrassing, or damaging situations in their personal lives. The cast takes calls from listeners needing advice, brainstorms wild and plausible excuses live on air, and examines the lines between truth, lies, and the art of the alibi. The episode also features a deep dive into a MySpace-era stalking drama, unpacking digital safety and the psychology of manipulation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Crisis PR Plan” Concept

(01:05 – 06:50)

• The cast jokes about the need for public relations “spin” in everyday life, not just for celebrities.
• They invite listeners with embarrassing situations to call in and let the team devise a plausible (if not entirely honest) way out.
• The team references celebrity scandals (Faith Hill, Britney Spears, Charlie Sheen) for inspiration.
• Discussion opens with a wild example: a listener named Ethan’s infidelity is exposed by his girlfriend, who then threatens to blast his workplace with evidence.

Notable Quotes:

• “Isn’t it the job of a publicist to create believable lies?” – F, (02:26)
• “This guy would be perfect. This is the call we took about an hour ago. And we'll continue to take your calls right now to help you out.” – F, (03:06)
• “There are some that are so bad where I think the publicist would have to say, dude, you just gotta come clean.” – F, (05:06)

Live Spin for “Ethan”

• The hosts try to turn the tables and blame-shift: suggesting Ethan spin his predicament as a result of his untrustworthy, possibly manipulative ex.
• Over-the-top suggestions include accusing the girlfriend of fabricating emails/photos and spinning it as a privacy violation.

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2. A Listener Crisis: The Old Photo Dilemma

(06:55 – 18:51)

• Caller “Gabby” asks for PR help: her boyfriend found a recent photo of her with her ex (taken with a camera gifted by her current boyfriend) in her car.
• The cast grills Gabby for details, attempting to engineer innocent-sounding explanations.

Notable Brainstorming Approaches:

• Pretend it was an old memory stick in a new camera (debunked, as it was a film camera).
  (09:50 – 10:10)
• Say it was just a random run-in at the mall.
• Suggest taking a photo to avoid misinterpretation if others saw them together.
• Blame a friend for accidentally including the picture.

Notable Quotes:

• “It takes a village to lie.” – G, (11:50)
• "Why would I take a picture if something was... She just needs to reverse psychology and make him think about. Just get into his head." – Pam, (17:36)

Resolution:

• The cast concludes the best shot is for Gabby to say she ran into her ex by chance, and took the photo to prove to her boyfriend nothing inappropriate happened (13:03 – 14:40).
• Backup excuse: She was making fun of her ex’s new look to her girlfriends.

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3. The MySpace Stalker Mystery

(20:35 – 33:20)

• Listener “Anika” recounts a deeply unsettling story involving her sister, a persistent online stalker, and her boyfriend.
• The stalker threatens, harasses, and supposedly uncovers private info — but the team gradually realizes the “stalker” may in fact be the boyfriend, orchestrating everything to play the hero and control the relationship.

Chronology & Investigation:

• Anika’s sister is targeted after an online breakup; harassment intensifies, including doxxing.
• Her boyfriend confronts the stalker, who is “impressed” and vanishes. Later, the stalker’s presence re-occurs under suspicious circumstances.
• The cast unpacks the digital breadcrumbs, zeroing in on how only the boyfriend could know certain details.
• They discuss social engineering, password recovery, and the alarming scenario of fabricated threats as a manipulation tactic.

Notable Quotes:

• “Either way, you got a problem on your hand. You have a legitimate stalker or you got a psycho boyfriend.” – F, (28:17)
• “I guarantee you can make the stalker go away… just tell your sister to tell the boyfriend her friend’s an FBI agent and the FBI is investigating. I guarantee you'll never hear from the stalker again.” – E, (32:36)

Advice & Action Steps:

• Save all correspondence.
• Test the password recovery process to expose falsehoods.
• Threaten to involve authorities to pressure a confession or forced silence.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Crafting Excuses

• “A Hollywood publicist would find us… What would Charlie Sheen’s publicist do?” – C, (05:14)

Reverse Psychology Tactics

• “If there was something I was trying to hide, why would I take a picture? Duh.” – Pam, (17:36)

Diagnosing Red Flags

• “The only explanation for that… psycho boyfriend.” – C and F, (28:29, 31:43)

On Manipulation

• “He did something equally cruel… so that's why I'm kind of suspicious.” – B, (27:25)

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• 01:05 – “Crisis PR Plan” concept introduced
• 03:18 – Ethan’s cheating scandal & publicist-style spin ideas
• 06:55 – Gabby’s “photo with the ex” dilemma starts
• 13:00 – Cast crafts possible excuses for Gabby
• 20:35 – Anika calls in with the MySpace stalker story
• 27:25 – Hosts hypothesize the boyfriend is the stalker
• 32:36 – Advice to “scare off” the stalker by name-dropping the FBI

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Final Thoughts

This episode demonstrates The Bert Show’s skill at blending humor with real empathy and problem-solving. The cast shows off their quick-witted improvisation skills, especially when brainstorming (sometimes truly wild) crisis management tactics. The MySpace saga closes on a serious note, highlighting dangers in online relationships and the need for vigilance in the social media era.

Listeners seeking comedic relief, life advice, and a glimpse into the sometimes-absurd world of modern crisis management will find this episode both entertaining and thought-provoking.

Transcript

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[C]

A PR spin on what has happened to you in order to present you in a good light. So we were thinking about this yesterday and we were wondering if any of our Burt show listeners need a crisis PR plan. Because obviously us in here can come up with a better one than Faith Hills Publicist did. So we could come up with a crisis PR plan for you. So if you have embarrassed yourself in one way or another or said something or done something where you need to spin it and sort of have a good excuse for why you did something, whether it was at work or an email you sent or having a conversation about somebody that they busted you on or something in your friend group, your mommy group, your school group, whatever it is, if you need a PR spin, a crisis PR plan, then just give us a call.

[F]

We'll give you something to chew on. 404-741-1005 so we're looking for somebody very specific, something, any one of those scenarios that Jen just played out could have happened, but you haven't addressed it yet with the people that are concerned with this crisis. So you can still come up with an excuse that is plausible, that is obviously not gonna be the truth, but we can get you closer to the truth, to where at least they have some doubt in their mind, like, oh.

[B]

Yeah, okay, okay, okay, that sounds.

[F]

That makes sense. To me.

[C]

Yeah. Some sort of crisis going on in your life. We've got your crisis PR plan. We'll determine it for you.

[F]

So you got four people here eager and ready to almost create. I mean, isn't it the job of a publicist to create believable lies?

[E]

Let me give you an example of somebody who isn't sure.

[C]

All the publicists listening right now.

[F]

Well, isn't it? I mean, with any one of these Britney things or Kevin Federlines or Faith Hill is a great example. We have to come up with a lie that people will believe.

[E]

You know who could use our help right now probably is that fella Ethan that we got the phone call about it about an hour ago. Like he's having a little bit of a crisis at work today. His girlfriend found out that he was cheating and decided to take it out on all of his co workers.

[G]

Well, he's cheating with somebody he works with. That's what she is accusing him of.

[E]

He's in a bit of a pickle.

[F]

This guy would be perfect. This is perfect, cuz. This is the call we took about an hour ago. And we'll continue to take your calls right now to help you out. 404-741-1005. But Jeff is right. This guy right here needs PR spin today.

[E]

Hello.

[H]

Hey, I just have a public service announcement for one of your listeners.

[F]

Okay.

[H]

Okay. I just want to say to Ethan that Ethan shouldn't leave his laptop up and running on the kitchen table when his girlfriend spends the night. Especially if he's been trading emails for months with a married co worker that he's been doing at lunch and after work. Because if she wanted to, Ethan girlfriend could email herself all of his contacts and forward herself all of the emails that you have exchanged with the slut. And as soon as she gets home, she could email all of those to all of your co workers. She could even take drunken naked vacation photos from the fourth of July weekend and send them as well. So everyone, including the slut you were doing, knows about your shortcomings. And to the whore named Sarah, who is married, you are a piece of trash. And to her husband Raj, I'm going to call you and tell you everything when I get home tonight. So I hope all of you have a great day.

[F]

All right, so that's the call that we take. We didn't even know that was coming in this morning. So now if you're Ethan, you're like, okay, I need a good PR spin because he is definitely in crisis at this point. So if Ethan was the call that came in, what can we come up with for this guy?

[G]

There's a lot of evidence there for him.

[F]

There's a lot of evidence.

[G]

It's not just like a quick camera shot, huh?

[E]

Quit via text message. That's my advice. Yeah, sorry. This is a tough one to spin, buddy. Sorry about that.

[F]

There are some that are so bad where I think the publicist would have to say, dude, you just gotta come clean.

[E]

Well, no, we just gotta. We gotta open our minds. Cause a Hollywood publicist would find us.

[C]

Hold on, hold on. What would Charlie Sheen's publicist do? We gotta get into the mind of that. Because he was the one who was running around on all.

[E]

Here's what we need to do. We need to spin it back on the girl Brooke, who called up.

[F]

So she's the one that's been. She's screwing around and crazy.

[E]

She is obviously crazy. And betrayed his trust by entering into his computer.

[G]

Right.

[C]

And she created those emails.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

In order to get him fired so he would spend more time with her.

[E]

Something like that. And the pictures that were taken over 4th of July weekend were obviously taken over a fence through the woods, Photoshopped to grandmother's house.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

Even if they weren't. Even if he came clean on those. Cause I don't think that's part of the offense. He was having sex with her on vacation. Our caller. Right.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

So those are legit. So I think at that point he'd have to say, and I'm totally hurt that she would share this intimacy that we had together, because now you've got to create sympathy for him back. So I can't believe that she would lash out in a way like this, where we shared something so special.

[G]

So not only is she betraying me and my trust, but in order in creating those emails, too, you have to understand, I mean, she's destroying someone else and someone else's life in our workplace. So, I mean, yeah, totally. About her being. Yeah. Being out of her head.

[C]

Well, now, what if he created her as being crazy and a gold digger? Because he could say that she created all of this because he told her he wasn't going to buy her a Mercedes or something like that. Like, really, like, extra vilify her.

[F]

This one's gonna be. This is tough.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

This one is gonna be tough. All right.

[C]

All right.

[F]

You guys ready to think?

[C]

Okay. Crisis prisis mode.

[F]

Gabby, you're on the Birchall's crisis PR management. Let's hear what you got.

[B]

Yes, Good morning. Well, it's a little situation and I still have it resolving. I still don't know how. Well, here's the thing. I had just moved in with my boyfriend about two months ago, okay? And he decided for any reason that he wanted to be nice and clean on my car because I haven't been around for it, okay? So as he's cleaning my car, he calls me out of nowhere. He's like, I found a picture. I want to talk to you. And in my head, it didn't. Nothing popped up. So when he finally approached me, he had found a picture that I had took with my ex boyfriend, my high school sweetheart, okay? Now, I gave him no explanation for any reason, but the worst part about it was it was the camera that my recent boy may have just bought me. So I have no excuse, no nothing.

[F]

Oh, damn. Okay, so you can't say these were old pictures because they were taken.

[B]

It was with his camera that he bought me.

[F]

Was there? Was there. We need a couple of more facts here. Maybe. Were there any couple of weeks there where you guys took any kind of trial separation?

[B]

I mean, if we were mad like that weekend, I'm pretty sure it was that weekend, but I don't really know. We were mad at each other, but we never broke it off. I had just walked out, like from the argument, and I went to go meet him. He didn't know anything about it until he found the pictures.

[C]

Is there any way that you could have run into your ex boyfriend innocently.

[B]

No, because he lives about half an hour to an hour away from me now.

[E]

But he knows we need to meet.

[B]

Up with each other in order for us to run into each other.

[E]

Doesn't the Kroger near his house have the best deli of all the Krogers you've ever been to? So you are going to. So you go to that grocery store to get your groceries because they have the freshest stuff. So you were up there. That put you up there without a, you know.

[G]

Depends on what the pig was in the picture.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Like what did the picture show by any chance?

[E]

Were you buying a sandwich?

[G]

I mean.

[B]

Well, see, the picture shows. It's just my face and my high school sweetheart face. It's just we pointed up the camera and shot it ourselves. You see nothing of a background or anything? I mean, I guess a little thing to help with it. The camera was in black and white, so you can't see no color of the place where we were actually at.

[F]

That helps. Actually, that.

[B]

Well, that makes it worse, but it helps me kind of Let me.

[E]

Where were you really?

[B]

We were at a parking lot from the mall.

[F]

Did you have sex with this guy?

[B]

No.

[F]

So what if. I mean, are you. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what you're like. You definitely shouldn't have been there for sure. However, if you just tell him something to the effect of, I just made a bad decision, and after you and I got into a fight, he was the first person I turned to. I don't even know that that works. Because he's gonna be mad about that.

[B]

I mean, of course, because he. He knows that's the person. He's still afraid that I'll go back and run to him because of the fact he was my high school sweetheart.

[G]

I wonder why.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah. I mean, he obviously has reasons for that.

[B]

Oh, you got Tracy.

[E]

Peluso has it.

[F]

What do you got? What do you got?

[E]

She put an old memory stick in a new camera and forgot to format it.

[F]

Old memory stick in the new camera.

[E]

And forgot to delete the pictures.

[F]

Is that a possibility?

[B]

No, because that camera was just a little disposable camera. It wasn't a digital camera.

[F]

That sucks.

[E]

Tracy sucks at this.

[C]

What about.

[G]

Gotta dumb it down.

[C]

Do you have any children with your current boyfriend or ex?

[B]

No, no, no, no. No kids at all yet.

[E]

Well, you can fall back on the Faith Hill excuse and go, I was just joking.

[G]

Boyfriend. Could it have been them? I mean, because I know you say you have to make an effort to run it. I mean, there's always a possibility the ex boyfriend was here. Is there any way that he was looking, is. Ran into her and was. Does it have cheering up him?

[F]

Does it have a date on the picture?

[B]

No, no, it doesn't. But I mean, like the pictures. Because, you know, after I got it developed, the picture before that with me was with me and my current boyfriend. And even the picture, that picture in the middle.

[G]

Now, if I was your manager, I'd say once you develop those pictures, you must separate them and not leave them in your car.

[B]

Well, I didn't. It was just that picture alone, but it was just a little index copy where you see all the rest of them. And that's where he saw that it was in between both of them.

[F]

Oh, I see. I see. So you took the large picture out, but that one that has all of.

[C]

Them was not there.

[F]

Okay, wait, this one's tough.

[C]

This is really difficult.

[G]

Good thing we're not in this industry.

[C]

What did you say? I mean, have you said anything to him yet?

[B]

I mean, he had asked me but it was a good thing I was at work when he approached me, so I was like, well, I got to get back to work. We'll talk about it later. Okay.

[F]

So it's still just kind of hanging there, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

All right, so what we need to do is we need to ask the virtual community for help here. 404-741-1005. We'll do crisis management together.

[G]

Takes a village to lie.

[F]

Because we can't figure this one out. The picture is wedged in between two current pictures. It's of you and your old high school sweetheart. It was taken after you had an argument with your current. And the last place in the world you should have turned was to your ex. Your current has seen the picture. How do you explain that picture to your current. Damn.

[C]

Well, we have to say that it is a random run in that you randomly ran into this guy. So we've got to determine where randomly run into your ex boyfriend.

[F]

I think that's the only way out of this.

[E]

Yeah, but then you've got the whole.

[F]

Problem of he's only 30 minutes away or whatever, and.

[E]

Yeah, but the two faces. Like, you randomly run into a lot of people. But when do you snap a picture like that?

[F]

Well, why would she have the camera anyway? Did you go specifically to see this guy and take pictures or did you.

[B]

No, no, I just always carry that camera with me because you just never know what would happen that you need to take a camera with.

[F]

There you go.

[C]

Maybe you were taking that picture as pretty proof that nothing happened in case somebody saw you guys hanging out together.

[G]

Oh, there you go.

[F]

Booyah.

[E]

Like, how is that proof?

[F]

I don't know.

[C]

It's a stretch. So what?

[F]

So is I'm joking or she was just jokingly.

[C]

But what if it's that, you know, I ran into him at the mall. We ended up talking and having a conversation. I shouldn't have talked to him about our fight, but I did. And I think that so and so one of your friends that you and your current boyfriend know. I think so. And so. Saw us at the mall.

[F]

So?

[C]

So to make sure that you didn't get any rumors or hear anything weird, I took a picture as proof that we saw each other that day, but nothing happened. And he was laughing about it, so that's why he's smiling in the picture. What do you think?

[F]

I think it's better than what she has now, which is zilch.

[E]

See, I actually think that's worse.

[F]

No.

[E]

Yes, absolutely. Because then that becomes. Oh, why would you Think that I would think something would happen. Like, I run into a lot of people, and I don't take pictures of.

[F]

Them because it's an ass.

[E]

Unless you have a guilty conscience.

[F]

No, she was protecting herself boyfriend.

[C]

And we were having a conversation, and I was just. I wanted to make sure that nobody misconstrued it the wrong way.

[F]

And Franklin has an idea for you also. Okay, Franklin, go ahead.

[B]

All right. I think she should tell her current boyfriend that her ex boyfriend broke up with a girlfriend, and he was very distraught, and she. He was looking for her consultation and, you know, and just comfort.

[G]

Still doesn't explain the picture, though. Like, was the picture part of trying to cheer him up or. Goes back to what Jen said is that picture was to show proof. I know I'm acknowledging I was with.

[F]

Him, and I'm taking this picture just to. As kind of like security, just in case the word got back to you that we were with each other. I even took a picture just to show you nothing was going on.

[G]

And why would I show you a picture if something was.

[F]

Yeah, that could work. That could work.

[G]

Now, the.

[F]

I think it's the only thing that can work.

[G]

The most important thing about crisis management with Faith Hill and with you is that you cannot show the behavior again. You know, like, you can't now, then go back to your ex.

[B]

I don't want to go back to my ex, but that's kind of one of the reasons that I still talk to him. And occasionally we still talk.

[E]

Why?

[G]

Why is that?

[B]

Huh?

[E]

Why do you still talk to him if you don't want to go back to him?

[B]

Because I still find him as one of my best friends that he got me. We were. We pretty much grew up together. So he understands me more than my current boyfriend does now, you see?

[F]

But as your publicist, we would have to tell you that, I mean, we can help you out of this jam. And I think Jan has probably given you the only possible scenario.

[C]

Like, it's not even Franklin's, too, though.

[F]

They're not even that great, but they certainly are better than. Than nothing. And I think it speaks volumes that he called you at work and you said, hey, you know what? Let's just talk about this later. And you were all cool and calm about it, that he's not pressing you on it. He's ready to believe your lie.

[B]

He is. But it's more of a fact that he knows it's true. And he thinks that if I still went with him or if I did anything with him on that day, what is he gonna do about it? He's either gonna leave me and we're going to have to then make this big argument who's going to keep the house and belonging.

[E]

Has your current boyfriend ever met them? Met him before?

[B]

Yes.

[E]

How long ago?

[B]

It was maybe about two months ago.

[D]

And it was.

[B]

And it was actually he met him on a bad way because I had went to go see my ex and we were just hanging out at his job and he knew where he worked. So he ready. He parked his car next to my. Waiting for me to go back into my car.

[F]

So this guy already knows what's going on. I mean he's on to you.

[E]

Well, hold on because I might have that. This might be a good one. Tracy actually might be good at this. So he knows what he looks like. Is your ex a good looking guy? Yes, because here's what I'm thinking. This is what Tracy's saying. I'm thinking she's onto something. What if you tell him I took a picture of my ex because I don't know if you can tell or not, but he looks so much worse than he did when we were dating that I wanted to show my girlfriend who used to think he was so hot how ugly he's gotten.

[F]

It still doesn't get you to the point of what they were doing together. Anyway, she ran into him. So the running into the freshest produce.

[E]

At that particular grocery store.

[F]

So you were taking a picture of this guy actually to make fun of him with your current.

[G]

Or with her friends.

[F]

Or with your friends rather than. Well, for whatever reason you had before we started talking to you. Yeah. These are stretches, but they're certainly more believable than nothing.

[B]

I guess.

[E]

So glad to help.

[F]

Hold on one sec. Pam. Okay, Pam, go ahead. You're on Q100.

[B]

She totally needs to just reverse psychology and say if there was something I.

[C]

Was trying to hide.

[B]

Why would I take a picture? Duh. Hello. She just need to totally deny. It's just like it's right there. Why would I leave that? Okay, well go ahead in the camera if it was. She just need to reverse psychology and make him think about. Just get into his head.

[D]

What if you do?

[E]

What if it's so obvious? Do what a guy would do. Just deny that that's you in the picture.

[F]

Right.

[E]

That's not me. I took that picture because my ex boyfriend is dating someone who looks just like me.

[F]

It's R. Kelly. Pr. Yes, that's not me. All right, so what we have come up for you is this is that it was a spontaneous meeting perhaps you.

[C]

Randomly ran into at the mall.

[F]

Yep.

[C]

And he I like Franklin's part about it was he needed some advice so I felt bad for him. We've grown up together. I've known him a long time so we ended up talking and you can pick either one of the excuses, either Tracy and Jeff's spin on it where he just got ugly.

[B]

He didn't look good.

[C]

He got ugly so I took a picture to make fun of him later. Or you could take the other angle where I took a picture. Just make sure you would know nothing was wrong in case anybody saw me talking to him and consoling him at the mall.

[B]

Okay, thanks guys.

[F]

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Hi. How are you?

[F]

Good. You know we talk about MySpace. Quite a bit on the show, and we have a pretty good time with it. But you're saying that you and your family a little freaked out by what your sisters had to go through?

[B]

Yes. Oh, my God. Okay, okay. Started a couple months ago, before the summer, right? Her and her boyfriend, you know, they were having problems. They're like, bobby and Whitney, they're always breaking up and getting back together. You know, they broke up for a week and whatever, and they were having problems. And this guy sends her friend request and, you know, so they're communicating, they're corresponding and whatnot. They're on each other's friends listening. And perhaps at some point, there was a mild flirtation. After a brief correspondence, she gets back together with her boyfriend. And she's like, you know, she tells the guy. She's like, well, you know, back with my boyfriend, so, you know, we're gonna have to cool things down and whatnot. And he gets pissed off. So, like, he starts visiting all her friends, pages, her boyfriend's page. Like, posting comments, sending her messages, talking about, you know, I'm better than him, I look better than him, I have more money than him. How could he choose him, you know, over me? And so she's like, you know, okay. Like, whoa. Okay. So, you know, she goes to the history. Like, you know, we love each other. We have a long history. You know, we're together. Leave me alone. So one day, her boyfriend receives a message from the guy with his home address and the names of several family members.

[F]

Oh, now it's. Now it gets creepy. Now it goes from, like, weird to, like, now you've got names and phone numbers, and now it's getting creepy.

[C]

So.

[B]

And he sends the message. He's like, have sex with me. Like, you know, have sex with me, or I'm gonna make sure bad things happen to, you know, your boyfriend's family members or whatever.

[F]

And he's got addresses he.

[B]

Yeah, he found. Yeah. Her boyfriend's home address, as well as names of family members and why not?

[F]

What clarification do you need, Jen?

[C]

I was just gonna make sure the stalker had the boyfriend's information, not her information.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay, so. So they're all freaked out now. So the boyfriend comes in the picture. The boyfriend talks to the guy over the phone, and, you know, there's a heated exchange, and they arrange to meet this issue, the boyfriend and the stalker.

[F]

Now the stalker dude, if I remember correct, I don't have the email in front of me. Isn't he, like an ex Marine or something?

[B]

Yes, they. Her boyfriend, a friend of his is a computer hacker. And, yeah, they ran it back. They found out his last name, ran a background check on him. He was dishonorably discharged from the military. There's some kind of sexual assault on his record. You know, so, like, that's the situation with that. However, his MySpace page indicates that he's a. He's an army recruiter. They were also able to track his traveling habits. It's weird, like, the stuff that you can find out. They were able to track his car rentals, his flights, things like that, you know, so, like, in their last communication, he said he was in Texas, but they were able to, you know, track his flights, and they found out that he lives in Great Neck, New York, and etc. And another weird thing about it is, like, when communicating with my sister, he, like, he seems to be based where my sister is based. Our family lives down here in Georgia, but we recently moved here from New York, and she goes to school in Maryland. So it's like, you know, he claims that, you know, he had, like, he had some kind of connection to the same city, to the same city in Maryland in which she goes to school. He's also. He also claims to live in Decatur, Georgia, which is, you know, not around 45 minutes from where we live. And he also seems to have connections in New York. So it's like. I don't know. It's weird.

[F]

So. And you found all this out because her boyfriend, you said, is like, knows a hacker, and he found out all this information.

[B]

Yeah, found out all that to find out his last name, everything.

[C]

Go back to the part where you said they called each other, had this exchange, and then they met in person. How'd they get the phone numbers?

[B]

At some point, their correspondence escalated to phone conversations.

[F]

All right, so they exchanged phone numbers. And he goes and he goes and does the very brave thing, goes to meet the former Marine and tell us about that exchange.

[B]

Okay? So they talk, and the boyfriend is like, what the hell is going on? You know, what's up? If you want to do something, let's do something. And long story short, the Marine says, oh, man. Like, man, I really respect you for doing this. I mean, you know, you basically risked your life. So he's like, you know what? I really respect your relationship, Amina. Your boyfriend really loves you. And, you know, I'm going to go away, man, because, like, wow, he really loves. He risked his life.

[F]

So he confronts this guy, and the dude is so impressed with, like, the honor that he just Decides that he's gonna split.

[B]

Exactly.

[F]

Okay.

[G]

Wow.

[B]

So he's like, you know, wow. Okay. So that was around the beginning of the summer.

[F]

Okay.

[B]

All is well. You know, my sister and their boyfriend, they both. They delete their. Their. Their MySpace pages, and, you know, they think everything was fine. All is well. Around two weeks ago, my sister goes back on MySpace. She ended. She's looking for her boyfriend's MySpace.

[G]

Mm.

[B]

Does a search using her boyfriend's email address.

[F]

So the stalker was using the boyfriend's address?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

How does that happen?

[F]

I don't even know enough about MySpace to even question that.

[E]

Hey, where was your sister when her boyfriend confronted the Marine guy?

[B]

She was in Maryland. And at that point in time, it's possible that the stalker was in New York at the time because the boyfriend also lives in New York. So they most likely met in New York. And the stalker was. From what I understand, he was in a hotel. So he went to the hotel, and, yeah, they talked in the hotel room.

[F]

So it's a lot to follow along.

[E]

Yeah, it's easy. How the boyfriend created the stalker.

[B]

That's what I'm thinking.

[F]

The boyfriend created the stalker.

[E]

The boyfriend created the stalker.

[B]

Like, that has to be the case.

[F]

So the. Your. Your sister. Your sister has never met the stalker? Never met him, never talked to him?

[E]

That's right. Atlanta Police Department. You know where to find me. I'm ready to be a detective.

[F]

CSI, MySpace.

[B]

That's what I'm thinking. I'm hoping that that's the case because this is really creepy. This doesn't make sense.

[F]

Holy wow. So your sister has never talked to stalker on the phone?

[B]

She had to have, because, I mean, that's the only way would have gotten the telephone number and things like that.

[E]

Get a friend.

[C]

So he creates the stalker to make his girlfriend nervous and make him, like, out to be the hero.

[B]

Like he did something equally cruel, you know, over the summer. So that's why I'm kind of suspicious. I'm like, I think he. You know, this is another cruel hoax, you know, and I'm hoping that's the case.

[F]

Before you called us today, did this theory ever cross your mind that the boyfriend might also be the stalker?

[B]

Yes, I did. I. I did ask her. I said, are you sure this isn't some kind of prank that your boyfriend is playing? And she doesn't think so, but that is something that over the summer, he. He lied and. And said that, you know, he made her believe that he had some kind of std, and so she's here Freaking out. She's like, huh. How is that? So his explanation when he finally told, he was like, no, I don't. His explanation was that, well, yeah, you know, I just told you that because you wouldn't go get tested. I wanted you to go get tested.

[F]

Wow. Either way, you got problem on your hand. You have a legitimate stalker or you got a psycho boyfriend.

[E]

Psycho boyfriend. It's. It.

[F]

Wow.

[E]

He created. That's why when she types in his email address, the stalker guy comes up.

[C]

Wow. That is the only explanation for that.

[F]

That's.

[B]

And it's also very interesting because when she told her boyfriend that the guy was on her page, he did a password check, and my sister's name was the guy's password. So the boyfriend emails the guy, and he's like, yo, like, what's going on? You know, and he's like, you know, like, what's going on? And the boyfriend basically says, well, you know, your girl's a slut, your girl's a tramp. You know, ask so and so. And he named people who lives in her building because she lives on campus. And he names people who live in her building.

[F]

So only the boyfriend would, you know.

[B]

The guys who he named, they're like, do you know this person? And they basically denied knowing the person. Showed him, you know, show them the profile, show them the picture, and they denied knowing the guy.

[F]

So the boyfriend obviously knows all of the names that are in the building. Right. So he. So he could use those. I never saw this coming. Good morning. Q100 in the Burt Show.

[B]

Hey, it's Derek. How are you guys?

[C]

Good, good.

[F]

How are you?

[B]

I am doing great. Has she thought about blocking his page? Because if you can block him and there's no way that he can search or any for her.

[F]

You ever thought about doing. Has she thought about doing that? Blocking the stalker, slash, boyfriend's page?

[B]

Oh, blocking it. That's a possibility. But I'm wondering if that will solve the problem, because if the stalker is real, I mean, he knows how to find her, you know, he knows. He knows. And she also said that she's been getting phone calls from a private number, and when she answers, no one is there. And also, the boyfriend claims to have received a phone call from him at his new number because the boyfriend had recently changed his cell phone number. And he said that the stalker called him, you know, quote, just to say hi, you know, but, you know, if the stalker is real, I think he's kind of trying to kind of subliminal message, like, look on, you Had a telephone number that you didn't give me. Ha ha. Look at how much power I have.

[C]

Well, there is a way that people can hijack your MySpace page, right?

[F]

Yes.

[C]

You heard about this?

[G]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[C]

Like, where they can, like, lift your page and then start sending. What?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, it's called just stealing your password. They can do the same thing to your email or whatever, but there's some.

[C]

Way that they do it. I don't know. My friend was explaining it to me this weekend. And then they send out, like. Like advertising postings or whatever, right?

[E]

They just steal your password.

[C]

How do they find out your password?

[E]

The same way they. You get those junk emails where it says, uh, oh, your ebay transaction hasn't come through. Enter your savings account number and your mother's maiden name here, and we'll fix the problem for you.

[C]

Right.

[F]

Now, the part that you missed here, Jeff, is that when somehow, some way, the stalker was using the sister's name as his password. Yeah. And the boyfriend figured that out. Amazingly.

[E]

I know.

[F]

Hey, Quentin. Good Morning. You're on Q100.

[B]

Hey, how's it going? I was just listening to the conversation, and you guys were saying that maybe there's a possibility that this. This boyfriend made up the stalker guy. But I thought they did a background check on the stalker and found out who he was and what he did for the boys.

[F]

Did the boyfriend do the background check, or was your sister responsible for that?

[B]

The computer hacker is the boyfriend's friend.

[E]

Of course he is.

[G]

So basically, the boyfriend was the source of all this information.

[B]

Right.

[F]

All right. Wow. I would have never seen that coming.

[G]

Psycho boyfriend.

[F]

I would have seen it. Yeah, maybe. You got to really look a little bit closer at the boyfriend.

[B]

So the next step, I told her to start, you know, save all the correspondence. The boyfriend was telling her, you know, don't get paranoid and all that stuff.

[E]

I'll take care of you.

[F]

Right. I'll protect you.

[E]

I'll protect you.

[B]

I'm glad you actually mentioned the whole password thing. I'm actually going to test the password situation and find out whether or not MySpace actually sends the actual password that you initially created or whether or not, you know, they just allow you to reset the password. Because, I mean, if they only have you reset the password, then that means, you know, the whole her name being his password thing was a falsehood. And quite possibly, you know, that could help us reach our conclusion as to whether or not her boyfriend is behind this. I'm somewhat suspicious because it just doesn't make sense. Not make sense.

[E]

Here's what you do to make I guarantee you can make the stalker go away in one way is you just tell your sister to tell the boyfriend that, hey, I just want to give you a heads up. I talked to my sister about it and this whole stalker thing and we just need to be done with it. So she has a friend who's an FBI agent who turned this over. So the FBI is gonna investigate it and I gave them your information. So they're gonna call you and ask you questions about this guy. I guarantee you'll never hear from the stalker again.

[C]

Good idea.

[F]

Yeah, we gotta get an update from you. So the next thing that you're about to do is contact MySpace for about the whole password thing. And then I think what Jeff said also is you gotta tell your sister to do the same thing. And then let's check back with you in a couple of days and see if the stalker has left you alone.

[B]

Great. Thanks so much.

[E]

Hey.

[F]

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