Vault: We Are Over This Listener's Love Triangle

Summary

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The Bert Show Podcast — Episode Summary

Episode Title: Vault: We Are Over This Listener's Love Triangle
Date: January 12, 2026
Main Cast: Bert, Kristin, Abby, Cassie, Tommy (& team)

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Episode Overview

This explosive and emotive episode centers on a long-running listener drama involving Allison, a woman caught in an office love triangle with profound real-life consequences. The hosts revisit and dissect the situation after being confronted by Allison’s sister, Rachel, who passionately defends Allison and takes issue with the show’s prior advice. The panel fiercely debates familial support, personal responsibility, and the ethics of giving listener advice. The conversation is peppered with sharp candor, pointed humor, and impassioned interjections—showcasing The Bert Show’s trademark blend of real talk and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Recap of Allison’s Predicament

• [01:47-03:24] Dan and Melissa review Allison’s story:
  • Allison set her best friend up with a coworker, only to discover he was cheating—specifically with Allison's own supervisor.
  • The supervisor threatened Allison with job loss if she revealed the affair.
  • Eventually, the truth semi-emerged, Allison was fired, and she never fully explained the situation to her best friend or HR.
  • The hosts previously advised her to go to HR. Allison did not act on this.
  • Host sentiment: frustration at Allison’s passivity and inability to advocate for herself.
• Notable Quote:
  • “She never told HR any of the stories. She just sat there like a wimpy sitting duck.” —Melissa [03:53]
  • “She’s really kind of spineless, you know? … You really need some help here because everybody’s just rolling over you.” —Dan [04:11]

2. Rachel’s (Sister’s) On-Air Confrontation

• [05:10-10:07] Rachel, calling from abroad, accuses the hosts of insensitive and damaging advice:
  • Asserts the show is responsible for Allison’s job loss and mental distress.
  • Critiques their perceived “beating up” on callers who need support.
  • The hosts counter: Allison’s dismissal was her own doing, as she did not follow advice, and they are not to blame for her lack of assertiveness.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Do you think that you should give someone advice and then beat them up for having trouble following that advice?” —Rachel [05:22]
  • “I'm like, you’re 30 years old…you know, grow up and do something.” —Melissa [04:27, earlier recap referenced in argument]
  • “This is a family trait. Blaming everybody but yourselves for your situations.” —Melissa [07:13]
  • “She couldn't even explain the whole situation to her best friend.” —Melissa [06:39]

3. Debate: Responsibility, Advice, and Family Enabling

• [07:29-12:40] Heated exchanges about why Allison is so passive, whether the family’s protection is enabling, and the ethical responsibility of radio personalities giving advice.
  • Rachel is adamant the show “helped her lose her job” and failed to consider psychological history.
  • Hosts challenge the family on coddling, shifting blame, and not fostering independence.
  • Callers weigh in, with almost unanimous support for the show’s stance and critiques of Rachel’s view.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “You know what? She needs that. She's very dependent. She has a lot of problems.” —Rachel [09:12]
  • “You’re not doing her any favors by doing that…because you keep taking care of things for her.” —Melissa [09:17]
  • “Maybe she’s been getting professional advice her entire life.” —Rachel [11:56]
  • “Maybe you should leave her alone, man. Let her grow up.” —Melissa [11:59]
  • “I agree with Rachel. I think we gave her sister some bad advice. We should have just sat calmly…” —Dan, facetiously [14:44]

4. Listener Reactions and Additional Commentary

• [10:43-15:17]
  • Several callers defend the show's approach, suggesting that Allison’s problems stem from family overprotection and not the advice given.
  • Rachel is insulted, called enabling and unsympathetic, and told the family needs collective therapy.
  • The hosts continue to assert their advice was standard, heartfelt, and that the responsibility lies with the caller.
  • Show’s recognizability and role questioned—Rachel warns about the show’s influence on vulnerable listeners.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “She comes to [her family] to fix her problem. She wasn’t there. So she called you guys, which is the next best thing. By the way, you guys give excellent advice.” —Listener ‘Stephanie’ [10:43]
  • “You guys are just going to coddle her and act as if it’s nobody’s fault but… it’s everybody’s fault but hers. And this is absolutely insane, Rachel.” —Caller ‘Dan’ [15:17]
  • “People listen to you. They hear you on the radio. …You should really think about how you're affecting people.” —Rachel [16:10]

5. Meta-Reflection on Listener Advice

• [16:10-16:42]
  • Rachel pleads for the hosts to recognize their influence and be more cautious with advice.
  • The team closes the call, alternating between mock-seriousness and legitimate reflection on their role.
  • Final tongue-in-cheek moments lighten the tension.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “She just sat there like a wimpy sitting duck.” —Melissa [03:53]
• “She’s really kind of spineless, you know? …Everybody’s just rolling over you.” —Dan [04:11]
• “Do you think that you should give someone advice and then beat them up for having trouble following that advice?” —Rachel [05:22]
• “This is a family trait. Blaming everybody but yourselves for your situations.” —Melissa [07:13]
• “You’re not doing her any favors by doing that…because you keep taking care of things for her.” —Melissa [09:17]
• “People listen to you. They hear you on the radio…You should really think about how you’re affecting people.” —Rachel [16:10]
• “We are incredibly important. …You have really given me something to chew on. Thank you. Ew.” —Dan [16:16]

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Suggested Listen Guide (Major Segments)

• Recap of Allison’s drama: [01:47-03:24]
• Rachel confronts the show: [05:10-10:07]
• Debate on responsibility and enabling: [07:29-12:40]
• Callers’ reactions and family discussion: [10:43-15:17]
• Final reflections on giving advice: [16:10-16:42]

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Tone and Takeaway

This episode is characteristically raw, honest, and occasionally caustic, with hosts oscillating between tough love and comic relief. Listeners are drawn into a real-time exploration of messy boundaries—where giving advice, familial protection, and personal growth collide. Through biting banter and passionate debate, the show raises thought-provoking questions about accountability, empathy, and where help becomes enabling.

For anyone who’s ever played advice-giver (or advice-seeker), this episode is a rollercoaster of cautionary tales, real talk, and the always-relevant reminder: sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself.

Transcript

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[Melissa]

You.

[Radio Host]

The bird show.

[Dan]

Okay, let's get into the Allison thing here. I know it's a little bit later than we normally talk about Allison and her whole problem that she's been having at work and with her best friend. So if you missed this over like the last week, here's about a 90 second recap of everything that we've talked to Allison about.

[Rachel]

My best friend. I've set her up with a friend of mine from work, a guy I know from work about nine months ago. I just found out a week ago that he is cheating on her. I want to tell her. I mean, I would tell her, but the problem is he's cheating on my friend with my supervisor from work. They know that I know this guy and my supervisor. They know, because she called me in and.

[Melissa]

What did she say?

[Rachel]

She told me that if I said anything, that I would lose my job.

[Radio Host]

I told her.

[Rachel]

I told her that, you know, that I thought that something was going on with her boyfriend and I'm gonna work. So she thinks I'm wrong. Like, she thinks that maybe I'm just, I don't know, make, you know, making.

[Radio Host]

It up or, you know, just, like, confused.

[Dan]

So she goes to the boyfriend, and she says, hey, I hear you're screwing around with somebody at work. Let's just say he comes clean and says, okay, I'm screwing around with whatever your supervisor's name is. Angie. This is all gonna get back to Angie. You're gonna lose your job anyway. So I don't really know what was accomplished when I got in on Monday.

[Rachel]

Wednesday morning. They hired me.

[Melissa]

They fired you?

[Rachel]

They fired me.

[Melissa]

Have you called Allison since yesterday? I'm sorry? Allison, did you call your best friend since you got fired yesterday?

[Rachel]

No, I haven't.

[Dan]

Okay, so that's where we kind of left things off. I mean, we gave her the advice to go in, go to hr, but she doesn't take that advice, and she ends up getting the ax, right? So now she's lost her job, and she's lost her best friend.

[Melissa]

And even after she lost her job and we talked to her after that, she still had no motivation to do anything to try to get her job back, right?

[Dan]

Just kind of rolling over, you know? Just kind of letting life dictate where she's going.

[Melissa]

Well, she never told anybody the whole story. She never told her best friend the whole story of what happened. She only told her that her boyfriend was cheating, but not with who? Not with the supervisor. Not that her job was in jeopardy. So she didn't even confess the whole story to her best friend then? She didn't tell HR Any of the stories. She just sat there like a wimpy sitting duck.

[Dan]

So we really kind of established here that, I mean, as harsh as it sounded, she's really kind of spineless, you know? And I think I gave her the. The advice to seek some professional help. I mean, you really need some help here because everybody's just rolling over you. And I think Melissa was a little bit more harsh than that, even.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I told. I told her that I was more impatient. I'm like, you're 30 years old, and there's a lot of people. A lot of people that have, you know, insecurities. A lot of people that have issues with defending themselves and having to push through that and whatever. You're 30, you know, grow up and do something and. Yeah, and so I was. I was not as patient with her as you were.

[Dan]

So a few days ago, she walks away from us kind of with her tail between her legs and we think that the whole thing is over. Well, her sister Rachel feels the need to call us yesterday and defend her sister, Allison, because of course, Allison can't do it herself. Alison's sister. And keep in mind, Allison is not her real name. I'm not even sure if this is her sister's real name. But we're going to call her Rachel. Hey, Rachel.

[Rachel]

Hey.

[Dan]

Hi. Is that your real name?

[Rachel]

Yeah, that's my real name.

[Dan]

Okay, so you're Alison's sister?

[Rachel]

Yes, I'm the girl's sister.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

Okay.

[Dan]

Why are you calling today?

[Rachel]

And.

[Dan]

And Allison?

[Rachel]

I'm calling because I have a bone to pick with all of you. Let me start by asking you a question. If somebody calls into a radio station for advice, clearly they're a person who really needs some help. Now, do you think that you should give someone advice and then beat them up for having trouble following that advice? Or furthermore giving them poor advice like getting somebody fired? How inappropriate is that?

[Dan]

Well, we didn't get her. We didn't get her fired at all.

[Rachel]

Responsible.

[Melissa]

No.

[Rachel]

For helping this poor girl lose her job?

[Melissa]

No, no. After that we did not. We did not know.

[Rachel]

She obviously has self esteem issues and she needs some help. And so you helped her lose her job?

[Melissa]

No, Rachel, no, no, no, no. We did not beat her up. No, we did not help her lose her job. Did you hear all the convers had with her?

[Rachel]

Yes. You. No, I was. I was in Asia on a business.

[Melissa]

Well, of course you didn't hear because that's why you don't know what's going on.

[Rachel]

Been here. She would never have called you. She would have come right to me for advice. Horrified about what's happened.

[Melissa]

Rachel. Well, you didn't hear. Well, of course you didn't hear what happened. We did not help her.

[Rachel]

If lose her job, she's going to have to leave the city and her family and clearly is not capable being on her own. Well, Rachel feel guilty. You should feel horrible and you should just feel terrible.

[Melissa]

No, we shouldn't.

[Rachel]

She couldn't even tell.

[Melissa]

No, Rachel, hush, hush, Rachel. She couldn't even tell her best friend the whole situation. All she told her best friend was that her boyfriend was cheating on her.

[Rachel]

But she couldn't even explain the whole.

[Melissa]

Situation to her best friend.

[Rachel]

By the way, did you Even find out what her relationship was like with this best friend. This is a supposed best friend who is, you know, all over her when she needs help. But when my sister needs help, nowhere to be found.

[Melissa]

Why is that our problem?

[Rachel]

You find out about that?

[Dan]

Well, it would be your sister's.

[Rachel]

You should have asked.

[Dan]

It would be your sister's responsibility to tell us that.

[Rachel]

Handing out advice to people you don't know.

[Melissa]

No, you know what? I understand this is a radio. This is a family trait. Rachel, I understand this is a family trait. Blaming everybody but yourselves for your situations. Okay, I understand where she's getting this from. Because you do that. Of course you do. Because it's not her responsibilities. Everybody else's. The best friend is not a good.

[Rachel]

Best friend because this one happens to be yours.

[Melissa]

No, it is not. Rachel, can you stop talking just for a second so we can explain?

[Rachel]

I have a job.

[Melissa]

Okay, fine.

[Rachel]

Going to have to find a new job.

[Melissa]

Oh, poor Alice.

[Rachel]

She doesn't have a job because you gave her poor advice.

[Melissa]

You don't even. You don't even know what advice we gave her. You were in Asia. You don't even know what advice we gave her.

[Rachel]

Take care of yourself.

[Melissa]

When.

[Dan]

When Allison called up, we told her the same thing we tell everybody that calls us up is like, we are not psychologists. But what we can do is we would give you advice as though you are our best friend. So that's exactly what we did with her. And your sister is weak. And your sister is weak and weak and weak. She's been weak with her best friend. And that's what we told her. We even told her to get advice.

[Melissa]

Rachel. She did not follow our adv. So you can't blame us.

[Rachel]

Rachel might not be able to stand up and do that. You picked right up on that, didn't you?

[Advertiser/Promoter]

Oh, my God.

[Melissa]

Shut up. No, no, Rachel. No, you shut up. Because the thing is, she didn't follow our advice. That's why she lost her job. If she had followed our advice, she would still have a freaking job.

[Rachel]

Doubtful.

[Dan]

What do you notice?

[Rachel]

I don't think they're going. The boss has control over human resources, not my sister.

[Dan]

That's not true. That's why there's a human resources.

[Rachel]

Blame everybody else, and they knew everything.

[Melissa]

I can't believe everybody else.

[Dan]

I can't believe y' all came from the same family.

[Melissa]

I can believe because they. I mean, well, they're blaming. She blames everybody else, just like her sister. Rachel, how many times have you had to defend Allison?

[Rachel]

I don't usually have to defend Allison. Allison usually comes to me for advice.

[Dan]

No, Alice, I think that Allison probably comes to you to settle her problems. She doesn't come to you for advice. That's what I'm guessing.

[Rachel]

Okay, fine. But you know what? She needs that. She's very dependent. She has a lot of problems.

[Melissa]

You're not doing her any favors by doing that, by the way.

[Rachel]

And we try to take care of her, and we do what we can.

[Melissa]

And that's why she's the way she is, because you keep taking care of things for her.

[Rachel]

So really plenty of help on the outside. And it's something she's been working on for years.

[Dan]

Well, don't you think instead of putting the responsibility on us, that she lost her job? Maybe it's the way you and your family coddle her, that she can't stick up for herself.

[Rachel]

What our family dynamic is.

[Dan]

You just told me. You just told me that you guys protect her.

[Rachel]

You don't know her history. You don't know her background. You don't know what her struggles have been. And you didn't hear our conversation saying anything like that.

[Dan]

And that's why we told her to get professional help.

[Rachel]

And she has some serious problems, and you should not attack my family or her based on that. And you're a very wrong way.

[Melissa]

And you know what, Rachel? You're. You're attacking us for a conversation you didn't even hear. And you're not hearing now because we're having a conversation you're not even listening to, but you didn't hear our conversation with Allison to begin with, so you're attacking us for something we didn't do.

[Rachel]

You helped her lose her job.

[Melissa]

No, we did not. She did not follow our advice, Rachel. We tried to help her save her job, and she didn't listen to it.

[Rachel]

I want your advice to a T. But what she did follow was detrimental.

[Melissa]

She didn't follow anything. She didn't follow anything, Rachel. Nothing. She didn't follow anything we told her to do.

[Rachel]

Well, you should feel guilty, and you should take caution when you give radio listener advice.

[Dan]

Melissa usually says, look, I appreciate your opinion, but shut up. You didn't even get that. Hey, Stephanie, you're on all the hits Q100. Go ahead.

[Rachel]

Hey, guys. She is enabling her behavior. And the reason she is like that, whatever her name is, is because her family keeps putting her down. And she says she comes to her for advice. I completely agree with you guys on that. She comes to her to fix her problem. She wasn't There. So she called you guys, which is the next best thing, by the way. You guys give excellent advice.

[Dan]

No, we don't.

[Rachel]

It's not your fault that she lost her job. It is her fault. She should have went to human resources. And I hear Walmart's hiring, so she shouldn't be able to leave the city.

[Dan]

Oh, hi. Hi there. That was an insult. You're sterile and you're on welfare. Good morning. Hey, C.J.

[Radio Host]

Obviously, the world is against their entire.

[Rachel]

Family, so I'm gonna do something very nice for them today, all right? I'm gonna email the producers at the Dr. Phil show so that they are the the next Dr. Phil family.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

There you go.

[Rachel]

And in that way, I mean, they can get the real help that those loon bags actually deserve.

[Dan]

Rachel, everybody's calling up saying the same thing you and your family can't protect. Your sister is 30 years old now. She's 30 years old.

[Rachel]

You ever had anybody in your family with a history of psychological problems?

[Dan]

I may be that person.

[Rachel]

Well, then you should be more sensitive to that.

[Dan]

That's why I told her to get some professional advice.

[Rachel]

Maybe she's been getting professional advice her entire life.

[Melissa]

Maybe you should leave her alone, man. Let her grow up.

[Rachel]

When you pass judgment on people like that, you really should get the whole.

[Dan]

We didn't pass judgment. We gave her advice. She called up for it.

[Rachel]

You pass judgment by calling her weak and by calling her other things that's she is weak after not liking what she said and what happened.

[Dan]

Shannon, you're on all the hits. Q100.

[Rachel]

That lady has lost her mind. If she is the one counseling and helping her sister, I cannot even imagine why her sister's so messed up. If she has the nerve to call the radio station and yell at him for something that you guys are just trying to help her sister do. That is outrageous. She's the one who needs help.

[Dan]

Rachel, instead of protecting your sister, seriously, why don't you guys all get help together?

[Rachel]

You know, you have no business saying that.

[Dan]

I'm serious.

[Rachel]

You know what? You don't know what goes on in my family.

[Dan]

No, I don't.

[Rachel]

You guys should be more cautious about the advice you give. Like the girl just said 2 call ins ago, something about how she should have seen somebody for help so they could have told her to keep her mouth shut. Well, you guys should have told my sister to keep her mouth shut.

[Dan]

By the time she had gotten job.

[Rachel]

I wouldn't be here. None of this would have happened.

[Dan]

Okay, so your advice to your sister would have been. Look, don't say anything to the supervisor. Don't say anything to the best friend. Just let it work itself out.

[Rachel]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Well, what would have happened?

[Rachel]

You didn't even understand. You don't understand the characterization of the relationship between my sister and the supposed best friend. They're not best friends. They're not even good friends.

[Melissa]

Rachel, I'm curious.

[Rachel]

I bet you would have said, keep your mouth shut.

[Melissa]

Rachel, I'm curious. I want to hear all the advice that we gave your sister. I want you to tell us what we told your sister.

[Rachel]

You told her that she should. That if she tells her best friend, then she should go to human resources and basically nip it in the bud before the boss gets there. Anybody else finds out.

[Melissa]

Correct.

[Rachel]

And what did she do? And then she goes into work and she's freaked out. She has anxiety problems. I mean, it's amazing that the girl gets out of bed and can go to work in the morning. I mean, I. It's. It's awful. And it's a horrible thing that she's battled with for years and years and years.

[Melissa]

Well, Rachel, I think what you're doing right now is.

[Rachel]

I mean, now she's, you know, taken eight steps back.

[Melissa]

Well, I think what you're doing right now is taking out your frustrations about your sister not being able to take responsibility for herself. And those frustrations you've had your whole life, and you're taking them out on us instead of on.

[Rachel]

I'm not taking them out on you.

[Melissa]

Yes, you are.

[Rachel]

You should be more responsible when you give people advice. You're just mad at the story. And if you can't do that, you shouldn't be giving people life advice.

[Melissa]

You're just mad that your sister can't stand up for herself and that your sister is a big old wimp and you're mad about it and you're taking it out on us, which is just some displaced anger. Honey, you need to see a therapist, too.

[Dan]

No, I agree.

[Rachel]

You are incorrect.

[Dan]

I agree with Rachel.

[Melissa]

Of course you do.

[Dan]

I think that. I think we gave her sister some bad advice. I think we should have just sat calmly. And I think. You know, I think with Rachel, I think we should take time and listen to her because I think she's making a lot of valid points. And Melissa keeps interrupting and is very rude. And I apologize, Rachel, on behalf of Melissa. She's a barrenness waste of a woman, and I apologize.

[Rachel]

I'm sure she's not. And I can tell. I mean, obviously all of you are Bright enough that you picked up on the fact.

[Dan]

Don't judge us.

[Rachel]

My sister has trouble standing up for herself.

[Radio Host]

You take that back.

[Rachel]

And in light of that, I think that you should have given her different advice.

[Dan]

Hey, Dan.

[Rachel]

Hey, man. You know, Rachel, your sister called in and asked these. These nice people for advice, and they just did the best that they could to help her out. Obviously, she didn't take the advice that was given and she went on and did some more crazy stuff. And you guys are just gonna coddle her and act as if it's nobody's fault but that it's everybody's fault but hers. And this is absolutely insane, Rachel.

[Dan]

So I just want you to know you have been heard. Okay? Give 10 seconds. Say what you want to say.

[Rachel]

I hope that you don't do this to people. I hope you think a little harder before you start throwing adv. I really do. You should realize the impact that you have on people. You should really keep that in mind when you're telling them to do things. People listen to you. They hear you on the radio.

[Melissa]

Allison.

[Dan]

Didn't.

[Rachel]

They think you're incredibly important. They really do. And you should really think about how you're affecting people.

[Dan]

We are incredibly important. Rachel. You have really given me something to chew on. Thank you. Ew.

[Rachel]

Appreciate it.

[Dan]

You've been heard. You're being chewed on now. Enjoy that Bird's chewing on Rachel. Rachel.

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Dan]

That's it, right?

[Rachel]

Yes.

[Dan]

You just wanted to be heard, correct?

[Rachel]

Yes, I wanted to be heard. I want people to realize that just because you're on the radio, you're not perfect.

[Dan]

Yes, we are. Is that it?

[Rachel]

That's it.

[Dan]

Okay. Thank you. You've been heard.

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