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Jeff
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Dr. Rick Van Haveren
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Jeff
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Dr. Rick Van Haveren
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Jeff
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Dr. Rick Van Haveren
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Jeff
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Host 1
Dr. Rick Vanhaven from CareerNavigator.net joins us this morning. Good morning.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Good morning.
Host 1
How are you?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I'm doing well, thanks.
Host 1
We all took the same career assessment test off the air throughout the last couple of weeks. There were just a couple of, like, math questions at the end.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Right.
Host 1
And why?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
It's look at reasoning. Reasoning skills.
Host 1
Okay.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Most of his personality, but you have a little bit with reasoning as well.
Wendy
Okay.
Host 2
Did you score those separately? Like, can you tell us who got the most right out of those? Cause I was feeling really competitive at the end.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
No, it doesn't give you individual scores for that.
Host 2
It's a lousy test.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Okay, we'll start with Wendy.
Host 1
Wendy's over here.
Wendy
I'm really nervous.
Host 1
Why?
Melissa
Don't be nervous.
Host 1
You got this.
Wendy
I'm gonna be like a forklift operator who doesn't get emails.
Host 2
What if you're supposed to. What if you're supposed to be a stripper? And that listener who said get on the pole is right.
Melissa
I'm right.
Host 1
They were actually giving you solid adv.
Wendy
I need to do.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Well, in terms of characteristics, Wendy tends to be pretty warm, attentive to others, pretty lively, spontaneous, and likes familiar within the workplace. Okay, so in terms of jobs that might be a good fit, there tend to be two character or two categories. One would be things like office practices. A bank manager. Scored pretty high on insurance agent, and really high on restaurant manager.
Host 1
Really?
Wendy
You're taking over the Flying Biscuits?
Host 2
All right, baby, we're gonna have to have a talk.
Host 1
Isn't there that restaurant at the Cheetah? What is that one Alluvia. There you go. You kill two birds with one stone.
Host 2
They'd serve a great.
Wendy
I guess you're hoping for Oasis, the good time emporium.
Host 1
So that indicated to you that she's better behind a desk?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
She's good behind the desk. In addition to. She kind of has a helping style. So something like child development, childcare worker, special education teacher, things like that.
Host 2
According to that listener, she's best under the desk,
Wendy
can do it all. Jack of all trades.
Host 1
Maybe she was just trying to help.
Jeff
She was an instructor.
Host 1
Better direction into a profession she saw was better for you. Okay, so a nurturer. Yep.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
And in terms of things she might want to avoid. Science, architecture, medical research, or kind of your math science. Those types of things.
Wendy
I don't want to go back to
Host 1
school, so I'm not hearing a lot of stuff in there that indicates entertainer.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Not really. Actually, in terms of looking at everyone here and their characteristics, Wendy has the lowest score compared to other broadcasters.
Host 1
Okay. What a great day of radio for you. Don't you love your job? This is great.
Wendy
Time to go home and just turn off all the lights.
Host 2
You want to go drinking. Rate of 10?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Yes.
Host 2
I'll go with you.
Host 1
I used to work with a girl in Dallas that would get an email or some results like this, and she said she would sit home and she would sit in bed and she would watch her ceiling fan all day long. It threw her into such a depression.
Wendy
Oh, I won't go do that. I'll go for a run.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Well, it was still in the low average range, but not as high compared to everybody else.
Host 1
So she's an entertainer? Sorta, but it's not best for her personality. Okay, well, it's too late now. You're under contract. You can't. You can't leave even if you want to. You can't go anywhere. Okay.
Wendy
Okay.
Host 1
You're under contract, right?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
No.
Melissa
Oh, really?
Wendy
But thank you for the.
Host 2
That'll help.
Host 1
Can we.
Wendy
I'm getting fired today. I have a pink slip on my desk. Stop talking. Yeah, I want to go up against the show somewhere else.
Host 1
Mine obviously says I talk too much.
Host 2
Let's move on to Bert.
Host 1
Anywhere you like.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Okay, well, we'll do Burt. Okay.
Host 1
Okay.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Bert tends to be pretty imaginative, abstract, open to change. Also a little tense, driven and had the highest anxiety score.
Host 1
Okay. I would probably say totally fair and
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
high on risk taking adventure. So in terms of work environments, definitely fits the artistic type. Probably whatever you do, as long as it's a form of self expression, would be a good fit. So something like photography, writing and editing, performing arts. You're really that true?
Host 2
You could be that happy little trees painter guy on pbs. Yeah, happy little trees right here near the cabin.
Wendy
He passed away not too long ago.
Host 2
Well, he needs a fill in then.
Jeff
That guy was like.
Host 1
He was like a lava lamp. It's just so comforting watching.
Host 2
And why did you stop every time you were flipping through? He was like the Shawshank Redemption before the Shawshank Redemption.
Wendy
You're right. You couldn't just pass by him and
Host 2
we're gonna paint a happy little stream right down here.
Wendy
And I was passing. It was like a masterpiece when he was down.
Host 2
Some happy clouds. I don't know why I'm talking like this.
Jeff
Turning myself on, guest in studio.
Host 2
Happy little pants.
Wendy
Oh, my God.
Host 1
Okay, I'm sorry, Doctor, I think, yeah, Yeah. I mean it sounds pretty accurate. I'm very always a little insecure about the show. Always sort of feeling like, oh, man, that was it. That was the last good day of radio we ever had.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
When even watching you hear, you know, you're up and you're moving around. So as you mentioned, something like office practices, administrative type things where you had to sit in a cubicle all day. Yeah, like filling out the questionnaire. I would have guessed that was probably pretty. Pretty stressful for you.
Host 1
Gun in my head, if I had to do that, seriously, that would be really difficult. So entertaining. I'm in the right field, right? I'm just going to be insecure about it.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
That's right.
Host 1
Okay.
Jeff
Yeah, that's spot on.
Host 1
I spent an hour taking your test and you didn't tell me a damn thing I didn't already know. All right, how about me? Is there something else?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Am I cutting you off in terms of leadership? You're probably a pretty permissive leader, so in terms of leading others might not be.
Host 1
I don't like it. Yeah, I don't I really don't. It's the part of the job that I hate more than anything else is I have to manage. I suck at it. Melissa and I had a conversation yesterday and I was anxious throughout the entire.
Melissa
I hate it.
Host 1
I just want to be. I want to be led.
Jeff
Somebody leave me, save, follow.
Host 1
There was more money in just following. I would do it, I swear. All right, that sounds really accurate. Like, I feel like you nailed me on that.
Wendy
Which means you're a good test taker then, I guess.
Host 1
Well, I copied off somebody else's paper.
Wendy
You didn't think you were. You know, he just made a design
Melissa
in all the circles, you know, when he was BBBCCC.
Host 2
Hey, look, it's a naked woman. Look at her dresses.
Host 1
Some of the questions are really tough because you know how you want to answer because you know how some people see you.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Where?
Host 1
Like, I think people probably see me as more outgoing than I, but I have a very shy side to me at times and a very insecure side in public. And I fe really strange about answering those questions. Honestly, I think I got through. All right, Melissa.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
All right, Melissa. Interesting. Tends to be pretty introverted, reserved, but also cooperative. Probably deferred to others. So also has kind of a permissive leadership style. Tends to be pretty serious and low on risk taking. So different than a number of the others in the group.
Host 2
That's why Bert and Melissa haven't had sex yet, because nobody is willing to step up and make it happen. Although we all in here can tell that they want to.
Wendy
I feel the chemistry.
Host 1
It might show that we're good liars.
Host 2
It's almost electric. I'm surprised the doctor's not getting warm just sitting between the two of you.
Melissa
He's never coming back.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Okay, so in terms of jobs, it might be a good fit. You scored high on writing. Librarian. Librarian. Scored high on librarian. Liberal arts professor.
Wendy
Okay, I could totally see that.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Okay, maybe some science things. Biology, math. Those kind of things. Things.
Host 1
All right, where did entertainer come up on that whole thing?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Well, entertainer really didn't.
Wendy
Oh, good. I'm not alone. I didn't want to be in my own bubble.
Melissa
You could be the special ed teacher in a school and I'll be the librarian.
Wendy
Who's hiring.
Host 1
I have sort of said this to Melissa before, and I've tried to do it in a non offensive way. Like you're about to talk too much.
Host 2
You know what? That was very leader oriented. Shut the hell up.
Host 1
I had said to Melissa that I think that her calling is something bigger than Radio. Like it's in philanthropy or it's in. I don't know. I mean. And I never said you're not good at what you do. It's just that. I don't know, I just kind of feel like she's bigger. Like some of those stuff that you were talking about. We didn't have to be much comfortable.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Yeah. So in terms of things to avoid, a lot of business type things. Management, sales, CEO, hotel manager, hospital administrator, those kind of things.
Melissa
Well, no, yeah, I mean, we talked about that. Because I think that, you know, I view things in more of a. Of a bigger, I don't know, scope sometimes more than I should. You know, I don't. I never tend to dumb things down and sometimes I need to. And so that's a fair assessment. Yeah. Okay.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Jen hobby, good news for Jen. Tends to be really extroverted, warm, open to others, more socially bold than others on the team.
Wendy
As proven by midnight swim.
Host 2
That's proven anytime you drink.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
And in terms of you had the best leadership skills.
Wendy
Oh, that's cool.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I was looking at that. Had good leadership skills.
Host 2
Come on, do a shot.
Jeff
Do a shot.
Host 2
What are you, a girl?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Exactly.
Host 2
Do a shot.
Wendy
That is kind of what I was saying to you.
Host 1
And what did I do?
Wendy
You followed my lead. Yes, I did.
Host 2
It's our party profile.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
So in terms of jobs, that would be a good fit. Lots of different types of things. Advertising, marketing, corporate trainer, media.
Host 1
You were in marketing for a while.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Media executive. Also some artistic type things. Music, dramatics, interior decorator. And maybe some helping things like being an occupational therapist, child development, counseling, those kind of things.
Jeff
You're pretty high on prostitute.
Host 1
Things that she's not doing now.
Wendy
Very bold.
Host 1
She's not dabbling in.
Melissa
I mean, she's calling that marketing. So
Wendy
it's all in how you spin it. Just get in the car. Just get in the car.
Host 1
So far so good.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
There's an anxiety scale and an emotional adjustment scale. And Jen had the highest scores there.
Wendy
So what does that mean?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
The lowest anxiety. And you have the best emotional judgment or emotional stability.
Host 1
That's where you sort of lost credibility. Right up until then.
Wendy
Right up until emotional stability. She's all in.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Although it was still in the average range.
Melissa
She's a really good faker.
Wendy
Is actress on there at all?
Host 1
All for Jeff.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I saved Jeff for last. He was an interesting. He's got an interesting profile. And it seemed like it took him a while to actually take the assessment serial.
Host 1
He was the last one to take it.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
He's the last one Very introverted. More introverted than anybody else.
Host 1
Yeah, he don't like people. We've said that before. Jeff's not. He's the only guy in radio that really just doesn't like people.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Right. And he had higher scores on being suspicious. A little bit guarded.
Host 2
Not a suspicious character. I'm suspicious of others suspicious.
Host 1
You're a shady character too.
Host 2
The most likely to steal something out of your purse. Maybe to hack into their parents bank
Wendy
account and take the retirement fund. Pull your kids away. Pull them away.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Let's see. He was also pretty though. Abstract, imaginative and also have some risk taking adventure interests. So in terms of when his leadership style, the scores are from 1 to 10. And he had a 10 on being an authoritarian leader. So where everybody else is kind of in the middle or on the permissive side, Jeff is def. If he was in a leadership position, probably be my way or the highway.
Host 1
Yeah, he's a bulldog. Yeah, I think I've referred to him as the bulldog before. Bulldozer.
Host 2
It was privately when we were cuddling, but.
Host 1
And you're my little poodle.
Wendy
Now we see where the real chemistry is. Melissa, you're out.
Jeff
Well, I'm authoritative.
Host 2
Inverts, a pushover. So it's taking advantage of it.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
You fit. So in terms of jobs, it might be a good fit. Law. Math.
Host 1
You were getting into law, right?
Host 2
Yeah, originally, yeah, Before I got sidetracked into this illustrious crap.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
It's definitely an interesting path. Yeah. So other types of things like being a CEO, investment manager, physicist, really analytical types of things. Critical thinking, types of skin. All stuff.
Host 1
Good for him. I've always said that Jeff is one of the best troubleshooters I've ever worked. No, the best troubleshooter. Very analytical, can see everything from all sides and sort of like he's a cabinet in one. Cause he's got a whole bunch of different angles on just one thing. Boy, these were right on. With the exception of Jen's emotional thing, these things were right on.
Host 2
How much? Come on, you're making her cry.
Wendy
Okay.
Host 2
No, it's not.
Wendy
Yeah, it is.
Host 2
Traveling pants.
Wendy
Yes, but that was a good movie.
Host 1
No, you've been. I mean, come on.
Host 2
Is there any indication in there, like going back to the CEO thing for me, if I left radio right now, like at 10:15 today, how much could I make as a CEO ASAP?
Host 1
Please tell us, please tell us. The number is high.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Oh, it's in terms of salary.
Will
Yeah.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Oh, yeah.
Host 1
Crazy amounts.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I mean, assuming it's, you know, there's some people that have A company of two, and they're the CEO.
Host 1
So you can be your own CEO.
Host 2
CEO of Jeff Inc. That's right.
Host 1
So as side notes, was there anything that really shocked you by anybody or as a group?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I'd say the anxiety a little bit as a group, just kind of. But. But you find with a lot of people who are pretty driven, they can be tense, anxious about things, worry about things, fret about things, ruminating. So I thought that was kind of a surprise.
Host 1
I think the industry sort of attracts that. Like, there's just a bubbling anxiety to people that get on the radio. Or both.
Melissa
I think both, yeah. For sure.
Host 1
Probably the career that we should stay away from to protect ourselves. And we dove right in.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Right?
Melissa
Yeah. I think. Yeah. Radio, media, I think all media is filled with many, many insecure people. I think that's how you're extroverted. You know, anytime you push yourself out there, it's. I don't know. I think sometimes to make up for something that you feel inside.
Host 2
Is there anything that would indicate that we don't work well together as a team?
Host 1
Not really.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I mean, it's interesting. You all have some different personality characteristics, and probably in a way, that's how it makes it work. Where if you were all the same way, you don't have somebody to fill
Host 1
in the gaps, would you have. Not knowing that we are a team, somebody was saying, look, potentially hiring these four or five people to work on a team together, would your assessment be, that looks great, they're gonna be around, or would it be, don't even get them in a room together?
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
I think that it would work well in looking at your personality styles.
Wendy
Cause it's different enough.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Different enough, right?
Host 1
This was fun.
Wendy
It was cool.
Host 1
Yeah. Now if you guys want to do this, you can do this on your own. Also, we're gonna link on up over to careernavigator.net if you can't remember that careernavigator.net from all the hits. Q1. And this is Dr. Rick Van Haveren.
Host 2
If anybody's looking for a CEO jeff@allthehitsq100.com
Wendy
but not a babysitter.
Dr. Rick Van Haveren
Well, and definitely Jeff was low on nursing and elementary school teacher and fitness instructor.
Host 2
That is a shock.
Host 1
We found that out from his Wii
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Episode: Vault: We Take A Career Assessment Test
Date: February 20, 2026
Guest: Dr. Rick Van Haveren (CareerNavigator.net)
In this episode, the morning crew of The Bert Show welcomes Dr. Rick Van Haveren from CareerNavigator.net to interpret their results from a career assessment test. The segment combines genuine curiosity about career paths with the show's trademark banter and humor. Each host's results are discussed in detail, revealing personality traits, recommended careers, and surprising mismatches with their current roles in radio. Dr. Van Haveren also shares insights on team dynamics and the prevalence of certain personality traits in radio.
The episode is lighthearted and full of playful teasing, but also includes moments of self-awareness and insight. Dr. Rick provides professional self-assessment, but the team grounds it in real talk about their personalities, quirks, and life in radio. The overall message: career assessments can surprise you, but your current path—especially in a creative, collaborative field—might still be the right place for you.
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