Podcast Summary: The Best Idea Yet – "Birkin: The Handbag That Costs More Than Your House" (Ep. 48)

Release Date: September 9, 2025
Hosts: Nick Martell & Jack Crivici Kramer
Podcast Network: Wondery

Overview

This episode explores the untold origin story of the Hermès Birkin bag, unraveling how a spontaneous sketch on a Paris-London flight led to the creation of the most iconic—and expensive—handbag in fashion. Through witty banter and sharp analysis, Nick and Jack unpack what makes the Birkin the ultimate holy grail product: its celebrity ties, meticulous craftsmanship, calculated scarcity, cultural cachet, and even its legendary waitlist. The episode weaves through history, business strategy, pop culture, and the economics of exclusivity to explain why the Birkin is more than a bag—it’s "the best idea yet."

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fashion as Identity (00:15–01:30)

• Nick and Jack open with playful commentary on each other’s personal style, framing how some fashion items (like the Birkin) become an extension of one’s identity.
  • "What I love about your wardrobe is that it is the reflection of you. It's your identity. And you have owned that for the 15 years I've known you." —Nick (00:54)

2. The Birkin Bag: Status, Scarcity, and Craft (01:37–04:44, resumes 05:20)

• Birkin bags are the epitome of luxury: painstakingly handcrafted over 18 hours, starting at $12,000, but almost impossible to buy new due to Hermès' notorious waitlist.
  • "Every single one is handcrafted over 18 hours by a single craftsman and made from leather in varying degrees of exotic..." —Nick (02:04)
  • Secondary market prices can exceed $50,000.

3. The Serendipitous Birth of the Birkin (05:20–16:30)

• Setting: Paris airport, 1981. Jane Birkin, English actress and style icon, strikes up a conversation with her seatmate—a man who turns out to be Jean-Louis Dumas, the head of Hermès.

  • Jane laments her lack of a practical bag. Inspired, Dumas invites her to sketch her dream bag—on an airplane puke bag.
  • Three years later, the first Birkin bag is born and gifted to Jane.
  • Hermès extends an annual royalty to Jane, which she donates to charity.

  Memorable Moment:

  • "That's when the man says, Hermes? I am Hermes." —Jack (09:01)

4. Heritage and Early Evolution of Hermès (09:21–16:30)

• Originated in 1837 as a harness and saddle shop, Hermès reinvented itself in the 1920s to focus on personal luxury goods, leading to the design of the first iconic bag, the Kelly (named after Grace Kelly).
  • Design focus: practicality, durability, and timelessness.

5. Icon Status, Initial Lukewarm Reception, and Rivalry (20:19–25:25)

• Despite high hopes in 1984, Birkin sales lagged in the flashy, logo-centric 1980s; Chanel's overt branding won the decade.

• Hermès doubled down on discretion and mystique—no big logos, minimal advertising, and ultra-limited supply.

  Notable Strategy:

  • "Hermès exercises a level of discipline we have seen from no other company we've covered. They keep their design exactly the same, despite every trend going in the opposite direction." —Nick (24:52)

6. The Power of Scarcity and Celebrity Validation (25:25–29:48)

• Hermès' deliberate scarcity further fuels demand. The “Birkin wish list” becomes legendary.
• The Birkin’s star ascends after a legendary cameo on Sex and the City in 2001 ("It's not a bag, it's a Birkin!"—27:09), propelling it into pop culture’s stratosphere.

7. The Myth and Mechanics of the Waitlist (29:33–32:52)

• The Birkin’s waitlist is less real than it seems—celebrities and top customers bypass it with ease.

• Hermès sales associates are incentivized not to sell Birkins or Kellys to maintain scarcity.

  Memorable Quote:

  • "Employees make a sales commission on every Hermès product they sell... except for two items, the Kelly bag and the Birkin bag." —Nick (32:11)

8. The Rise of the Secondary Market and Explosive Value (32:57–34:53)

• Online luxury resellers let shoppers skip the wait—if they’re willing to pay two to four times retail.
• Limited editions and rare Birkins sell for truly eye-watering sums ($80K+).
  • "The Birkin 25 Wicker picnic edition... can be yours today for around $80,000." —Nick (34:06)

9. Counterfeits, Dupes, and Scandals (35:04–39:53)

• Counterfeiting, including "inside jobs" where Hermès artisans created real Birkins off-books, becomes a multimillion-dollar problem.

• Massive busts lead to jail time for ex-employees—but the counterfeit business remains lucrative.

  Stat:

  • "In 2021 alone, counterfeit goods accounted for an estimated $467 billion in global trade." —Jack (35:54)
  • "80% of products online sold under the Hermes name are fakes." —Nick (36:08)

10. Investment Power & Hermès’ Business Triumphs (40:22–42:22)

• Birkin and Kelly bags now drive 25% of Hermès’ revenue.
• Hermès’ market cap has surpassed LVMH’s, despite much lower sales—explained by the power of exclusivity.
  • "Analysts have found that the value of Birkins has grown faster than the S&P 500. It appreciates between 14 and 38% per year." —Jack (41:50)
  • "Birkins are officially the bitcoin of bags." —Jack (42:19)

11. Hosts’ Key Takeaways (42:36–44:37)

• Jack: The ‘holy grail product’ formula: Scarcity + Quality × Friction.
• Nick: Time is Hermès’ greatest asset; patience, legacy, and tradition reinforce the brand’s supremacy.
  • "Time is our greatest weapon." —Quote from Jean-Louis Dumas, cited by Nick (43:40)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | 02:04 | "Every single one is handcrafted over 18 hours by a single Craftsman and made from leather in varying degrees of exotic..." | Nick Martell | | 09:01 | "Hermès? I am Hermès." | Jack Crivici Kramer| | 24:52 | "Hermès exercises a level of discipline we have seen from no other company we've covered." | Nick Martell | | 27:09 | "It's not a bag, it's a Birkin." | Sex and the City | | 32:11 | "Employees make a sales commission on every Hermès product that they sell ... except for two items, the Kelly bag and the Birkin bag." | Nick Martell | | 41:50 | "Analysts have found that the value of Birkins has grown faster than the S&P 500. ... It appreciates between 14 and 38% per year." | Jack Crivici Kramer| | 43:40 | "Time is our greatest weapon." | Jean-Louis Dumas (via Nick) |

Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• [05:20–16:30]: The Jane Birkin–Jean-Louis Dumas airplane meeting and the design of the Birkin
• [20:19–25:25]: Why the Birkin failed at first, and how Hermès stuck to its guns on scarcity/discretion
• [27:09–28:00]: Sex and the City’s legendary Birkin episode
• [35:04–39:53]: Counterfeit scandals, “inside jobs,” and legal drama
• [41:50–42:22]: Birkins as a financial asset ("bitcoin of bags")
• [42:36–44:37]: Hosts’ ‘holy grail product’ formula & strategic takeaways
• [44:52–45:41]: Auction of Jane Birkin’s original bag for $10.1 million

The "Best, Best Facts Yet" Segment

• Jane Birkin’s first Birkin was auctioned in 2023 for $10.1 million—the most expensive handbag ever sold at auction. (44:52–45:41)
• Jane regularly donated her Birkins to charitable causes, raising funds over decades.

Engaging Insights

• The Birkin bag is a master class in how to leverage scarcity, craftsmanship, celebrity, and mystique to drive demand and sustain sky-high prices for decades.
• Exclusion isn’t just tolerated—it’s baked into the allure (“wish list” over “waitlist”).
• Despite the rise of fast fashion and e-commerce, Birkins are never sold online—a move that only boosts their aura.
• Hermès has weaponized time itself: from the hours of bag-making to the wait for ownership, the entire process oozes patience and luxury.

Tone & Style

Nick and Jack maintain a sharp, energetic tone, packed with pop culture references, humor, direct advice, and accessible explanations for complex luxury business concepts. The dialogue is conversational and playful, making even deep business strategy entertaining and digestible.

For Listeners Who Haven't Heard the Episode

This episode is an entertaining deep dive that traces the Birkin bag’s journey from a spilled purse on an airplane to a global icon—touching on celebrity, business, and culture. You’ll learn why people treat Birkins as investments, how Hermès revolutionized luxury sales, and why the waitlist is as famous as the bag itself. Expect clever banter, memorable quotes, and business lessons you can drop at your next brunch.

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