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Nick
This is Nick.
Jack
This is Jack.
Nick
Welcome back. It is Monday, August 25, and today's pod is the best one yet. This is a T Boy.
Jack
The top three pop business news stories you need to know today.
Nick
Yeti's full disclosure. Our baby is due any day now.
Jack
Any day now, Right.
Nick
Any now. Oh, wait, I'm checking my phone. Okay, we're good, we're good, we're good.
Jack
So Yeti's, our annual two week summer vacation is also a paternity leave this year and it starts tomorrow.
Nick
But besties, do not worry. Jack and I got you covered for the next two weeks.
Jack
Exciting content planned and ready to publish.
Nick
For you every day right here on the T Boy feed. So if you want to see our full schedule of bonus podcasts for the next couple weeks, check out our Instagram T Boypod.
Jack
But for our last regular T Boy pod until Nick's second child is born, we whipped up three fantastic stories.
Nick
These are so good, no one else is doing them. What do we got on the pod, Jack?
Jack
For our first story, Burning man began last night. It's the biggest party in the world for billionaires.
Nick
But Burning Man's business is also burning. So Jack and I got a plan to keep it afloat.
Jack
For our second story, the most eligible bachelor on the stock market right now, it's intel, the American chip maker, because.
Nick
The US government is officially buying 10%.
Jack
Congratulations. We taxpayers are now part owners of Intel.
Nick
Intel Inside.
Jack
And our third and final story. We've been in a reading recession for the last 20 years. Pleasure reading is down 40% in America.
Nick
And yet CEOs are reading more than ever. In fact, Warren Buffett Buffett has read a hundred books this year.
Jack
Nick and I are gonna share the.
Nick
Books we're reading right now. In that story, friend, we'll tell you why you got to too. But yetis, before we hit that wonderful mix of stories, I mean, fantastic mix, Jack. I love this pre vacation mix.
Jack
Me too, Nick. But as we mentioned, we're about to take our annual summer vacation, which coincides.
Nick
With Molly and I having a baby.
Jack
I'm gonna do a staycation in Vermont and go to Kennebunkport, Maine. While Nick has his go bag constantly.
Nick
Ready to go, the ibo jacket could come any moment. Like it could even happen during a takeaway today.
Jack
Yeah, the baby could come at any moment. But if it doesn't come during this podcast, Nick and Molly have a plan.
Nick
Yes, we have a plan to induce labor with a hamburger.
Jack
True story. There's a restaurant in San Francisco Called Spruce whose burgers cause babies.
Nick
Yeah, I took Jack last time he was here. We ate at the bar. It was fantastic. Michelin. Yeah.
Jack
I didn't have a baby, but I did order the delicious $32 Wagyu Beef House ground Cheeseburger. Expensive, but worth it.
Nick
But here's the catch. You gotta be careful. If you eat that burger and you're.
Jack
Eight months pregnant because it's a Michelin starred pregnancy burger.
Nick
Get this yetis. According to Eater, this burger is known to make women go into labor.
Jack
Eight ounce patty makes you pop out a person.
Nick
There's no data to back it up. We checked. But Spruce claims its hamburger has quote unquote stimulating power.
Jack
This is the thing. In fact, that burger is the top takeout order at hospitals in San Francisco. For real?
Nick
Jack, did I tell you? Molly's OB told her to eat that burger if we go past the due date. She said get a reservation instead of.
Jack
Getting a membrane sweep. Just get a burger now.
Nick
When you and Alex were pregnant, what did you use guys, to induce labor over there?
Jack
The birdcage, dude. Two out of three times the birdcage induced labor.
Nick
Yeah. That movie's so funny. You will have a baby. You are laughing so hard.
Jack
So, besties, it's IBO time. Nick's baby could come at any moment.
Nick
But if that baby doesn't come, then you'll catch us over at Spruce with a bottle of ketchup and our go Bag check, please.
Jack
Let's hit our three stories.
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Fifteen years before this song, Two boys from the northeast met in the dorm. They had an idea to cause a cultural storm. It's the best one yet. But the best is the norm. Jack, Nick, that's it. I don't even think they need to practice. 50%. That's a fat tip. T Boy City on your atlas. If you know, you know. Cause we read to go. We can't wait. So just start the show. Start the show.
Nick
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Jack
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Jack
And we'll also tell you our radical solution to save the business of Burning Man.
Nick
Ah, Eddies. Everyone's got one buddy who went to Burning man but never really came back from Burning Man. We know, Timmy. You're a burner now.
Jack
Burning man, it's Coachella for capitalist detoxing.
Nick
It's not a music fest. It's a desert quest. It is The Woodstock for wifi, baby.
Jack
It's a nine day event, started yesterday. 80,000 semi naked human beings have ventured into the desert. Specifically Black Rock, Nevada.
Nick
The pros, they call it the Playa.
Jack
It's got a giant wooden Burning man sculpture, some artsy performances. There's drugs, there's parties, there's therapy, and apparently, yeah, there's an orgy tent.
Nick
I'm sorry, Jack. Can you direct me to the symposium on mushroom philosophy?
Jack
Now, this has become a rite of passage for techie types. A pilgrimage for programmers.
Nick
For example, Dustin Moskovitz and Zuck went in 2012 because as they said, it makes you. You grow as a person.
Jack
Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin picked a fellow burner to be the first Google CEO.
Nick
And Elon and Sam Altman agree on one thing and one thing only. And what is it, Jack?
Jack
This quote from Sam Altman. Burning man is the most beautiful man made Thing ever.
Nick
But besties, here's what we find fascinating about this story. For all these billionaires, the business of Burning man is burning right now.
Jack
Like burning through cash.
Nick
Yeah, burning through cash.
Jack
The first Burning man happened in 1986 on a beach in San Francisco.
Nick
They started a tradition that continues to this day. Setting a giant human sculpture on fire.
Jack
Well, 41 years later, they moved to the desert and ticket prices are now $575 per person. So they brought in $59 million in revenue last year.
Nick
Pause the pod. $59 million in revenue. Burning man should be a profit, puppy.
Jack
Not so fast, Nick. Because last year, for the first time since 2011, Burning man did not sell out.
Nick
In fact, at the same time that hype for Burning man is waning, costs are rising.
Jack
The result was that Burning man lost $20 million last year.
Nick
According to Bloomberg, for just a nine day event, Burning man has a 140 person full time team with 1,000 seasonal workers.
Jack
Burning Man's become a bit of a bureaucracy.
Nick
And herein lies the key contradiction of Burning Man. What is it, Jack?
Jack
It's both capitalist, attended by the billionaire titans of our economy, but it's also anti capitalist because of its founding principles.
Nick
Get this, the Burning man project is actually a mission based 501. That's right. It's a nonprofit.
Jack
And they're financially handcuffed by their own philosophy.
Nick
Burning man has these rules like money cannot be exchanged at the Burning man event. Right.
Jack
It's a barter economy. You can trade your hat for that dude's hot dog.
Nick
Burning man actually forbids itself from commercializing the 1.6 million followers it has on its own Instagram page.
Jack
Burning man cannot seek a sponsor. It cannot have advertisers. It's even forbidden hidden itself from selling Burning man merch.
Nick
So add it all up, jack, and with 59 million bucks in revenue resulting in a $20 million loss, even nonprofits.
Jack
Can'T last long if they're losing that much money.
Nick
You know, I've been acting like I've been to Burning Man, Jack and I actually have not been to Burning Man. I know you have it.
Jack
I wasn't going to out you, but.
Nick
I always see the cars coming back to San Francisco.
Jack
They're covered in dust. It's a telltale sign. So, Jack, what's the takeaway for our.
Nick
Buddies over in Burning Man? We have a wild solution for for.
Jack
Burning man income based ticketing yetis.
Nick
Burning man has had a huge influence on art and technology on the titans of our economy.
Jack
Google, Tesla, SpaceX meta OpenAI they were all inspired by Burning Man. That is gigantic value creation.
Nick
And yet Burning man only asked to be paid 575 bucks for a single ticket to attend.
Jack
What if instead of charging a flat ticket price, Burning Burning man charged a percentage of your income?
Nick
Yeah, like we bet. Elon, Sam, Altman, Sergey, they would pay more. Given the impact Burning man has had.
Jack
On them, I think they'd happily pay more. Think about it. Burning man is all about radical mind bending, never before done ideas.
Nick
So for Burning man making the rich pay more, that would be in line with their anti capitalist founding principles.
Jack
How's this for radical charger intendees?
Nick
A percentage of their paycheck to save Burning Man. If you're on the Forbes list, you should pay a fortune. For our second story, the most valuable chip company in the world, Nvidia, doesn't actually make computer chips. But you know who does? Intel.
Jack
And get this. Trump said on Friday that the U.S. government is getting 10% of Intel's stock.
Nick
Yetis, let's start by sprinkling on some context. Last week, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang showered another company with more praise than a father of the bride speech.
Jack
Here's what he said. Yeah, I think TSMC is one of the greatest companies in the history of humanity.
Nick
Okay. And then he went on, and anybody who wants to buy TSMC stock is a very smart person. The Nvidia CEO said.
Jack
Worth a reminder. Nvidia, the legendary chip company worth $4 trillion, doesn't actually make the chips, they just design them.
Nick
It's TSMC who makes computer chips. The Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corpor who Nvidia's CEO was just talking about.
Jack
Nvidia's like Apple. Yeah. Designed in California, but made in Asia for the most part.
Nick
So, Yetis, let's add it all up. Nvidia is America's biggest chip company, but it's not our biggest chip maker. And who is, Jack?
Jack
Intel.
Nick
Yeah.
Jack
Intel produces one and a half billion units of chips per year in the United States of America.
Nick
Which leads to the news. Yetis, President Trump said on Friday that Intel agreed to give the American government 10% equity in the company.
Jack
Sweet. Why do US taxpayers though, deserve to own a chunk of Intel?
Nick
Well, Jack, that would be because we gave Intel $8 billion.
Jack
It sounds like I should sprinkle on some context. In 2022, the Biden administration passed through Congress the U.S. chips and Science Act.
Nick
And why'd we do it? Well, we learned during the pandemic that we can't just depend on China for everything, especially critical chips.
Jack
Even not critical chips. Like we were waiting two years for a new electric hair dryer.
Nick
Yeah.
Jack
Because it actually has chips in it and we didn't have any. China was hoarding all of them.
Nick
Yeah, my hair is still wet. So Congress placed most of our chips into Intel's basket.
Jack
Intel got $8 billion of grants from the US government thanks to the US Chips and Science Act.
Nick
And that was the key. That $8 billion handout from the United States to Intel is for factories to make chips in Arizona, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon.
Jack
It was to make us less dependent on China for computer chips.
Nick
But since then, besties hasn't really been a happy ending.
Jack
Honestly, intel is blowing it. Despite all that money, the stock's down 50% in the last five years.
Nick
Despite all of that free money, Intel's business is declining because they just can't make top notch chips that AI companies actually want.
Jack
So I guess the government is intervening now.
Nick
It's not Uncle Sam, it's CEO Sam. So, Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over at Intel?
Jack
We've seen Uncle Sam own American companies, but we've never seen him run American companies.
Nick
Yetis, last week all the news was about the Trump administration negotiating a shocking deal with Intel.
Jack
Here was the only get the rest of your $8 billion grant if the US government gets stock in intel in return.
Nick
Okay, but before you get all shocked, Jack and I want to point out there is precedent for this. Right, Jack?
Jack
Basically a bailout.
Nick
Yeah.
Jack
Like during the financial crisis, the US Government bailed out a bunch of big financial institutions.
Nick
Our government became the biggest shareholder in Citibank with 34% of Uncle Sam.
Jack
And US taxpayers. We actually own 79% of AIG, the insurance giant at one point.
Nick
The way we see it makes sense that if the U.S. taxpayer is putting money on the line to save a company, we should take part in the upside.
Jack
And we actually got a big return in our stakes in Citibank and AIG.
Nick
But here's the big question. If President Trump controls 10% of intel, will he meddle with the management?
Jack
Will he push big tech companies to buy chips from intel, the White House owned chip company?
Nick
And Jack, will big tech companies do that even if intel makes an inferior computer chip?
Jack
Those are huge questions. Yetis, we've seen government bailouts. We've seen governments own pieces of US Companies too.
Nick
But we've never seen the US President run a private company. And we just may. Well now a quick word from our sponsor.
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These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. For our third and final story, it's the Reading Recession. Reading for pleasure has fallen 40% in the last 20 years, and you can blame TikTok and busyness for that.
Jack
But we're gonna make a case for leisure reading. Actually, we'll let the billionaires and CEOs make the case.
Nick
Yes, we will but besties to tell this story, let's go back to 2004, when Zuck created Facebook.
Jack
Or was it the Winklevile? Nevermind. Every year since then, the percent of Americans who read for pleasure has fallen by 3%.
Nick
That is the wild finding from a study published last week by the University College of London and the University of Florida.
Jack
Today, just 16% of Americans read for pleasure. That's down from 28% in 2004.
Nick
Jack, we're in a reading recession right now.
Jack
After those 20 years, it's a 40% decline in the number of American readers.
Nick
I'm sorry, we're actually in a Dickensian depression right now.
Jack
And all the more surprising is that reading, according to the study, includes books, magazines and newspapers. Crucially in print, electronic and audio.
Nick
So Jack, this is the first study to include ebooks and audiobooks as a form of reading.
Jack
And even if you include those forms of reading, still reading is down 3% every year for the last 20 years.
Nick
So the reasons for the reading recession, what are they, Jack?
Jack
First it's Facebook. Second and third, it's Instagram and Snapchat. Fourth and fifth, it's TikTok and YouTube. I think Oscar Wilde is laughing at us right now. Another reason though, is busyness.
Nick
Yeah, the tech paradox, the iPhone, it made us more productive, but it also made us more busy. But Jack, can I please quote Ralph Waldo Emerson for a moment here?
Jack
Oh, transcendentalist, huh?
Nick
Yetis do not go where the path may lead. Instead, go where there is no path and leave a trail.
Jack
Very nice. We think, Yetis, that you should buck the trend and pick up a book. Because business leaders do.
Nick
Yeah, trust us, we read about it. Warren Buffett once spoke before his alma mater, Columbia Business School, and once asked him, what's the best way to prepare for a career in investing? Jack, what did Warren Buffett say?
Jack
I read 500 pages every day. That's how knowledge works. It builds up like compound interest.
Nick
Besties, we repeat. Warren Buffett rips through 500 pages of physical books between 8am and 8pm every day.
Jack
He went on to say, all of you can do it, but I guarantee not many of you will.
Nick
In fact, Warren Buffett reads 182 books a year.
Jack
That's where his genius comes from.
Nick
That's a book every two days. Jack.
Jack
Mark Cuban reads 109 books a year. Bill Gates reads 50 books a year. Oprah Winfrey reads 36.
Nick
So besties, add it all up. And Americans, we're reading less.
Jack
But the billionaires, they're reading more.
Nick
So, Jack, from what I can read here, what's the takeaway for all our ambitious yetis out there?
Jack
Have one book you listen to and one book you yetis.
Nick
That's how Jack and I do it. And you know what? We're always excited to share with you what we are reading. Cause it influences the show.
Jack
I have an audiobook that I listen to in the car when I'm doing chores or multitasking. And I have a physical book for my bedside table for rest and relaxation.
Nick
Okay, so which. What are you into right now? What are you reading right now?
Jack
The physical book I'm reading is Alex Karp's Technological Republic.
Nick
Okay.
Jack
I want to understand what's going on at Palantir and the way he sees the world and patriotism and technology.
Nick
Okay, that's good to know. Good, good, good.
Jack
On the audiobook, I'm going full World War II, Franklin Roosevelt and Roosevelt during the War by Doris Kearns Goodwin.
Nick
All right, Jack. I am reading Paris in Love, War and Impressionist Painting. It's audiobook about the. It's about the birth of impressionist painting and how it was influenced by a bunch of different things going on in Paris.
Jack
Very cool.
Nick
Okay. And then, as usual, every summer, I like to read a James Bond novel.
Jack
Yeti. So much of the insights that we share on this pod come not just from the news that we read, but from the books that we read.
Nick
In fact, Jack and I come up with creative takeaways, sometimes inspired by the fiction books that we read.
Jack
Yeah, fiction inspires our takeaways about business, finance, and economics.
Nick
Many of you DM us about how we develop storytelling skills. It's because we read stories.
Jack
Books provide context that make what's happening today make sense.
Nick
So, Yetis, we're about to go on our annual summer vacation, but Jack and I will be doing plenty of reading because the billionaires do too. Jack, could you whip up the takeaways for us before vacation?
Jack
Burning man started yesterday, but they're in some financial trouble, partly because they're a non profit.
Nick
So to save Burning man from burning through all its cash, charge tickets as a percentage of income.
Jack
For our second story, intel is now part owned by the US Government, which demanded equity in return for government grants.
Nick
Uncle Sam has owned parts of US companies, but we've never seen Uncle Sam actually run them.
Jack
And our third and final story, Reading for Pleasure, is down 40% in the last 20 years. But CEOs are reading more, not less.
Nick
So besties have one book you listen to and one Book you read to, but besties.
Jack
This pod's not over yet. Here's what else you need to know today.
Nick
First, stocks surged at the end of last week. The s and P500 jumped 2% to an all time high.
Jack
The reason? Jerome Powell, the Fed chairman, gave his strongest signal yet that he's going to cut interest rates to boost the economy this September.
Nick
Jerry wasn't explicit. But here's what, what our Fed chair said. The balance of risks appears to be shifting.
Jack
He's less concerned about inflation, more concerned about the jobs market.
Nick
And second, Cracker Barrel lost 100 million bucks in stock market value last week on a rebrand gone wrong.
Jack
The Down Home country chain cut the old man from its logo and conservatives weren't happy.
Nick
Yeah, they say the store has gone woke. So the Stock fell down 10% on boycott worries.
Jack
It's the same but opposite of the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle drama. Yeah, it is capitalist culture.
Nick
And finally, big news for Jack. Delta and United just got sued for window seats without windows.
Jack
Okay, is this a class action lawsuit? Where can I sign up?
Nick
Okay, apparently these airlines showed you were in a window seat, but then there was no window for you to look out of at that window seat.
Jack
Yeah, no kidding. I bought the ticket for 17A. I think I had to pay extra for it. Yeah, and then it was just a massive wall. Next.
Nick
Jack, you deserve window justice. You should sue for the windowless window seat. I think you should.
Jack
I don't like to play the victim, but for five hours from SFO to o', Hare, I was the victim.
Nick
You know, Jack, you also could like, you could become an aisle guy. Like come become an aisle guy. We're great. Aisle guys are fun. Yeah. We have space, we have freedom. We have access to the bathroom, Jack. In the aisle. Sometimes I go to the bathroom just cause I can. I don't even have to go. Now time for the best fact yet. This one. Whipped up by Jack and me because this is some T boy trivia.
Jack
Trivia. What state? What state is best when it comes to vacation?
Nick
Oh, what state is best when it comes to vacation? What do we got, Jack?
Jack
What state has workers that take the most pto? It's not New Yorkers. New Yorkers leave so much PTO on the table.
Nick
Oh, yeah, it's negative. Like New yorkers are working 25 hours a day on this one.
Jack
I mean, is it Hawaii? Like you got so much natural beauty you want to take your vacation days?
Nick
Well, the answer actually is for the most vacation usage of any US state, Colorado. It's Colorado.
Jack
Good for Colorado. South Park Crocs and Vacation.
Nick
Congratulations to Colorado Yetis. You look fantastic today. Jack and I are going to miss you while we're off for the next two weeks for this ibo, but we're not going to leave you hanging, are we, Jack?
Jack
No, we got a bunch of episodes. Check out our Instagram if you want to see the schedule or just come back to this feed because we're going to have something new pretty much every day the next two weeks.
Nick
In fact, tomorrow we're dropping a special episode of the Best Idea yet right here about Disneyland for you.
Jack
Disneyland? How could you say no?
Nick
What a vacation theme that is fantastic. In the meantime, we can't wait to see you celebrate the wins. And Jack, check please. And before we go, a Happy birthday to Yeti Nicole Hued over in lovely Bellevue, Washington.
Jack
And happy birthday to Byron in West Town, New York. A Yeti since 2018.
Nick
And a happy birthday to Fiona Chung over in Brea, California.
Jack
Happy birthday to Sabrina Schlack turning 13 years old in El Dorado Hills, California.
Nick
And Lorena Yoshida is turning 13 years old with the best birthday yet in Boca Raton, Florida.
Jack
Happy anniversary to Christian and Michelle in.
Nick
Lichty and Lolo Roli is turning nine years old in lovely Saratoga Springs, Utah. Congrats, Lola.
Jack
Happy birthday to Roly in Tustin, California, who's a good boy.
Nick
And Gus Castilla in Austin, Texas, is a freshman at Alpha School. Enjoy the AI teachers. Congratulations, Gus. Happy birthday.
Jack
Happy birthday to Nam Tran in San Diego, California.
Nick
And Andrew Meringer over in Chicago doing some birthday logistics.
Jack
And congrats to Brooke Morgan in San Diego who's celebrating their first day at the new job.
Nick
And a happy birthday to Joey Hastie celebrating the best birthday yet in Woodland Hills, California.
Jack
And a big shout out to Nick and Molly. So excited for you to have your second kid. Dude.
Nick
Thank you, Chad.
Jack
Big deal. The second pod child from the Martel family.
Nick
You led the way.
Jack
Very pumped.
Nick
Celebrate the wins.
Jack
This is Jack. I own stock of intel. Although now we all do. Apparently we all kind of do because of the second story in our pod today. And Nick and I both own stock of Apple and ETFs at the S&P 500. If you like the best one yet. You can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery and the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
Nick
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Jack
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Hosts: Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell
Theme: Burning Man’s Business Hurdles, Intel’s Uncle Sam-vestment, and the Reading Recession
In this pre-vacation episode, Nick and Jack dive into three timely pop-business stories:
Listeners also get a humorous behind-the-scenes look as Nick anticipates the birth of his second child, and both hosts set off for summer vacation.
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Playful, pop-culture savvy, and brimming with puns and energy. Nick and Jack maintain a conversational, friendly, and irreverent style throughout (“Woodstock for wifi,” “orgy tent,” “eight ounce patty makes you pop out a person”).
This summary captures the heart, humor, and business wisdom from Nick & Jack’s pre-vacation episode. Perfect for anyone eager for the big ideas—and punchlines—even if they missed the pod itself.