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Episode Title: 💳 “America’s Fave Gift” — Gift Cards’ surge. White House’s Tech Force. Zillow’s Name-Yo-Price. +Uber Eats Wrapped.
Hosts: Jack Crivici-Kramer & Nick Martell
Date: December 17, 2025

Overview

In this episode, Jack and Nick serve up the "three business stories you need" with their signature wit:

1. The explosion of gift cards as America's go-to holiday present—and how companies profit big.
2. Zillow faces serious competition from Google, and an idea to “renovate” its business.
3. The White House’s newly launched Tech Force recruiting techies to government service.

Sprinkled throughout are their trademark humorous asides, a riff on Uber Eats Wrapped, and a lightning round of quirky business headlines.

Key Stories & Insights

1. Gift Cards: America’s Favorite—and Most Profitable—Gift

Timestamps: 05:07–09:56

• Context & Popularity:

  • "The most popular gift in America this year. The same gift as every year. That's right. It's the gift card." (Nick, 05:07)
  • "$500 billion of gift cards are purchased annually in the US, which is 1.6% of GDP." (Jack, 06:57)
  • Starbucks is the #2 gift card in the country (behind Visa), booking $3.5B in revenue just from gift cards last Christmas. (06:04)

• Why Companies Love Gift Cards:

  • Unused Balances: "Starbucks booked $1.8 billion of pure 100% profit just from unused gift cards last year." (Jack, 07:50)
  • Americans lose or forget to redeem 10–20% of gift cards. (07:34)
  • Many companies count unused balances as profit after 12 months, even if cards don’t expire.

• Triple Profit ‘Puppy’:

  • Three Profit Streams:

    1. Cash up front.
    2. Unused balances become pure profit.
    3. Shoppers overspend ("top off tension")—average card users spend 30–40% more than the card’s value just to redeem it all (09:19).

    "You buy sandals for 80 bucks. To redeem the extra 20 you gotta buy another $80 thing. So suddenly you're 160 bucks in the hole." (Jack, 09:28)

• Legislative Efforts:

  • Some states now have "demand the change" laws: if a card is down to its last 10%, you can ask for the rest in cash (08:11).

• Takeaway:

  • "It's not romantic and it can feel cold, but cash is always king." (Jack, 09:50)
  • "The gift card is the rare triple profit puppy for the company that issued it." (Nick, 08:59)

2. Zillow Under Threat: Google's Real Estate Ambitions & "Name Your Price"

Timestamps: 09:56–14:26

• Zillow’s Dominance Threatened:

  • Zillow has 50% market share, with Redfin at a distant 15%. But Google is now testing its own real estate features in search results (10:47–11:07).
  • "Zillow's got a Zillopoly." (Nick, 10:36)

• Google’s Potential Move:

  • With Google’s scale, it could overlay home prices on Google Maps. This would be “brutal for Zillow” (Jack, 11:16).

• Innovative Solution — “Name Your Price”:

  • Inspired by "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase ("everyone has a price"). (11:42)

  • Allow homeowners to input the price they'd accept for their home, even if it's not on the market—a transparent way for would-be buyers to see potential offers and for owners to test the waters without hassle. (12:03–12:25)

  • Real-life example: Jack left a letter in a homeowner's mailbox to solicit interest in selling—a mainstream “Name Your Price” feature could modernize this (12:50–13:09).

    "Transparency about more willingness to… maybe move if the right price is offered could heat up this frozen housing market we're in." (Jack, 13:15)

• Why Competition Matters:

  • "The secret ingredient to getting better is a competitor." (Jack, 13:25)
  • Stagnant giants (like Google Search for years) need competitors to drive improvements.

    "Without competition, [products] get worse." (Nick, 14:24)

3. The White House “Tech Force”: Coding for Country

Timestamps: 16:33–20:21

• The Launch:

  • "The White House just announced the Tech Force. It's like the Peace Corps, but for programmers." (Nick, 16:33)
  • 1,000 techies can join Tech Force for two years at $150k–$200k/year plus benefits, tackling government IT and UX messes (17:35).

• Why This Matters:

  • "Government apps can have infuriating design… The DMV is full of friction." (Nick, 17:08)

  • 29 major companies (Zoom among them) pledged to let employees take a sabbatical to join and then return (18:52–19:06).

  • Tech Force is positioned as public service, like military or Teach for America, not just another job—should be a résumé flex for future tech careers (18:21–18:34).

    "Just like military service looks good on a resume, so should the Tech Force service on a resume." (Jack, 18:27)

• Lesson from Healthcare.gov Failure:

  • In 2013, the Obamacare website failed on launch because the government prioritized "fairness"—letting everyone on at once, rather than "effectiveness"—a techie-recommended phased rollout (19:27–20:07).
  • "If the thing you built, it doesn't matter how fair it is if it doesn't even work." (Jack, 20:14)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Gift Cards’ True Beneficiary:

  "Gift cards are really? Gifts for the company that issued them." (Nick, 20:29)

• On Overspending:

  "We call it top off tension." (Jack, 09:28)

• On Market Disruption:

  "Zillow's CEO felt something this week he hasn't felt in 11 years. What he felt was urgency." (Nick, 13:28)

• On Tech Force Branding:

  "A job at Techforce should not be compared to a job at Meta. In our opinion, it should be compared to military service or the Peace Corps…" (Nick, 18:12)

• On Public Service & Effectiveness:

  "The laws should be fair. The implementation of the laws must actually work." (Nick, 20:53)

Bonus Segments

Uber Eats Wrapped, “Year-in-Review” Gags

Timestamps: 01:28–02:41

• Inspired by SNL, Uber Eats launched a Spotify-style year-in-review—Nick ate 13 banh mi sandwiches in 2025.
• Jack and Nick riff on imagined yearly recaps for Gmail ("You forgot to attach 26 attachments"), Tinder ("Three quarters of your dates are holding a trout…"), and more.

Rapid-fire Business Updates

Timestamps: 21:02–22:19

• Jobs Report: Unemployment at a four-year high (4.6%), but mostly due to voluntary buyouts in government jobs.
• Tesla: Stock doubled, Elon Musk’s net worth at $600B+.
• Duolingo: Oddly taking over old Hooters restaurant sites with their owl mascot.

Best Fact Yet

Timestamps: 22:27–23:30

• Mariah Carey's involvement in another Christmas hit, "Where Are You, Christmas?" sung by Faith Hill—plus, Mariah breaks chart records with "All I Want For Christmas Is You."

Conclusion & Takeaways

• Gift cards are convenient for givers, highly profitable for companies, and not always a great deal for recipients—consider cash instead.
• Zillow faces its first real challenge in a decade from Google; innovation is urgently needed. Adding transparency via a "Name Your Price" feature could transform real estate.
• The White House’s Tech Force aims to attract top tech talent to government as a prestigious, resume-boosting public service, hoping to avoid mistakes of the past by emphasizing effectiveness over fairness.

Seasonal humor, sharp takes, and energetic banter make this episode a classic TBOY listen—serving up both laughs and the latest in pop business news.