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This is the Better Life podcast with your co host, Cam Cathcart. Brandon could not be here today because he is traveling. So I am hosting this podcast by myself. And I even have another special surprise for you guys. There is no guest today, so you are stuck with me. But I am excited for it. I think it's gonna be really good. And I, I think you guys will really get a lot out of this podcast and so you're gonna hear a lot from me and it's gonna be. Be a lot of fun. But today I want to start with just giving an update on my life because I haven't talked to you guys in a while. And one of the really cool things that has happened over the last month is I am the new father of twins. So now I have five kids, seven, six, four and two newborns. It has been so much fun, but it's also been a lot of work, a lot of sleepless nights. I am getting some gray hairs. I've got bags under my eyes. It is a lot, but is the best thing, thing ever. I love being a dad. It's incredible. But let's get to today's show and today I want to do something a little bit different because a lot of times on this show and a lot of times when we interview somebody, we're talking about something tactical, like how do you raise money, or how do you make a million dollars in the next year, or how do you find a deal, how do you negotiate with sellers? And we're talking about a lot of tactical things. And today's show is not going to be tactical because here's what I believe. I think most of you already know what to do. You've listened to the podcast, you've read the books, you've watched the YouTube videos. You probably follow your favorite gurus on social media that are giving you all of that tactical advice that you need. So you've got all of the tactical knowledge. But, but here's what I think. I think that knowledge without this piece that I'm going to talk about, it's not going to get you anywhere. Knowledge. And I'm going to speak a lot on vision today. But knowledge without vision is going to get you nowhere. It's kind of like a GPS system. I've got my phone in my hand. It has all of the knowledge in the world I can get on this. And I could be leaving my house in Missouri, driving to my house in Colorado. I, I can put that in destination in there, and it's going to take me directly there it has all of the knowledge in the world. It's going to tell me, take Highway z to Highway 40, hop on 70 west, take that to Kipling, Drive all the way across Kansas, 700 miles, all the way to Kipling, Exxon to Kipling. It's going to give me the exact directions to get to where I want to go. But if I don't put in an end state and in address, I'm just going to end up wandering around aimlessly. I think for a lot of people, what. What's missing is not the. The information. You have all of the information. It's that instate. It's that vision of where do I want to go? That's what's missing. And that's what I'm going to talk about. And it's the courage to take action and relentlessly pursue that vision. And so instead of talking about tactics, instead of sharing more knowledge or industry insights, I'm going to tell you guys a story. And it is my story. And I get to do what I want. Brandon's not here, so I'm going to tell my story today. It's not because I have figured it all out, because I most certainly have not. If you talk to any of my employees, they would tell you I have not figured it out. But over the last five years, some really cool things have happened in my life. And I truly do. I could tie it back to one thing. It was because my wife and I, we were incredibly clear on the vision that we had for our lives. And we took relentless action to get there. And so my hope is this. As I tell my story, you don't necessarily hear my story, but you start to see and envision your story and what your story could be. And so I'm going to start with something that is a little weird. I know it. I feel it. I feel it through the camera sitting in front of me. A lot of you will feel like this is weird and corny, and I do, too, believe me. I feel weird and uncomfortable doing this. But hang with me. I promise you, it's going to make sense. And I'm going to go through a little vision exercise with you. And I got this from Rich Fecke, who is an absolutely an amazing human being. And I started doing it every day and it changed my life. But I want to go through this vision exercise and to tie back in, it'll make sense. But everyone where you are at, go ahead and close your eyes. Unless you're driving or on a treadmill or something like that, come back to this. Do it later, but you'll get the gist. But everyone, go ahead and close your eyes. Imagine that there's some mystical music in the background. Get comfortable in your chair. Wherever you are, take a deep breath. Take another deep breath. And one more. All right, here's where it gets a little weird. Imagine wherever you are sitting right now, that beam of light shoots out from your head and it lifts you up into the sky through the ceiling of wherever you are at, past the clouds, and you look down and you see the city that you are in start to fade behind you. The Earth, it gets smaller and smaller as you float through space. And suddenly as you're traveling down that beam of light, another beam of light intersects with the beam of light you're on and crossing its path. And you hop onto that new beam of light and it begins to pull you back down to Earth. You're traveling fast now. And you descend down this beam of light, and you see the Earth getting closer and closer and closer. And you land. And you realize you've landed five years in the future. Future you start to see around you. You look, you look down a driveway and there's a home. And you realize, I'm looking at my future home. I want you to take a second and just think through some things. Where is that house at? What does that house look like? What's the weather like? You look down towards your future house. How do you feel? What. What. What does that make you feel like? Start to walk down the driveway towards the door. And as you're doing that, look around. Look at the landscaping. Take a deep breath in. Notice the smells that you're smelling. You get to the front door and you reach out your hand and you knock. And someone answers the door. And you realize you are staring across from you in five years. Look at your face. What does it look like? Look at your demeanor. How is that? Is it healthy? Is it calm? Is it joyful? Future you smiles and invites you inside. And I want you to take a look around the house that you're in. What do you notice on the walls? Are there photos? Maybe pictures of art that your children have drawn you there? Pictures of your family? Is there a diploma hanging on the wall? Are there kids running around? Maybe grandkids, maybe pets. And future you starts to walk you around the house and show you the house. And as you're doing that, start to look at what it looks like. And then future you says, hey, let's sit down and talk. So you sit down across from future you and future you pours you a cup of coffee or tea, you start to talk. Start to talk about your life, Start to talk about your family, your relationship with your wife, with your kids, with your friends. Start to talk about your business and about the journey it took to get where you are. And I'm going to let you have that. Again, this is a little weird. I get it. Brandon's not here. Can't control me. I'm going to let you have that conversation in your head for the next 15 seconds. Now it's time to go. You give yourself a hug, you step outside, you float back up that beam of light, start to float back down through the clouds, through the atmosphere, and you land exactly where you were sitting when you left, listening to the Better Life podcast. And if you're still with me, you guys can open your eyes. And so I, I, again, again, I get it. This is weird. This is not normal for a podcast. But here's what I want you to know, and this is so important is the version of you that you just envisioned, which it was a great version. It was the best version imaginable, I assume, because you are envisioning it. That's what we get to do in, in our mind as we get to make up the best version of our. Of yourself. That version of you exists. You just got a glimpse of that person. And the only thing, I truly do believe this, the only thing that is standing between where you are today and that version of you in the future is having the right vision and consistent action every single day to accomplish that vision.
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So I know I'm fairly well off financially, right? But did you know I still house hack? Like, that's right. I've got an extra couple units at my house here in Maui and I decided to actually rent one of them out because, hey, it's like almost 2,000 bucks a month and I'm an investor, so why not? As you know, the first thing I did when I decided to rent that out, I went to turbo tenant.com because there I can advertise the unit screen for potential tenant, sign the state specific lease, get automatic rent payments set up, track my income and expenses, and even communicate with my new tenant via the app. It literally made the process so much easier. So whether you've got, you know, one unit or a ton of units, check out turbo tenant.com. i love it and I know you will too. Let them know I sent you.
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And I want to show you how this has worked in my life. It is important. And again, I don't want you to hear this story of, like, look at what I've done. I'm. I'm so amazing, because that's not the case at all. But I want to show you how this has worked and how this has played out and my life. And I want to take you guys all the way back to 2017. Lexi and I, we found out in the spring of 2017 that we were expecting our first child, Riley Ray Cathcart. She is seven now. She's absolutely amazing. But in 2017, we found out that we were expecting. And so Lexi and I, we went on a baby moon to Kauai, and we saved every penny that we could to come out to Hawaii. I opened up a couple of credit cards, and it was that dumb thing. You spend $3,000, you get 100,000 points. Should not have spent the $3,000 in the first place. That's another podcast episode for another time about bad debt. But we went out to Hawaii, and we absolutely loved it. It was magical. It was incredible. And I remember. I still remember this vividly. It's one of those core memories. We were sitting at dinner on the last night in Kauai, overlooking the ocean, and we started to talk about how fun it would be to raise our family in Hawaii. We had our first one on the way, and, like, being outside, being in the ocean, the beautiful weather, and we started to dream about what it would be like to raise our family in Hawaii. But as we were talking, we picked up Zillow and we looked on our phone at Zillow and we just started laughing, because at that time, we thought that it would never be attainable. It was too expensive. We didn't have any money. It would never be attainable. And the reason that it would never be attainable was because at that time, I was a youth pastor. I absolutely loved what I did. I loved the church that I worked at. It was incredible. I loved the community of friends that we had. I loved where we lived, which was in Colorado, but I only made around $40,000 a year. And we were broke. Like, broke broke, broke. I was having to drive Uber Eats to. To make ends meet. The type of broke where going to King Supers or Safeway and buying groceries. I had to check my bank account. I had the. The wire popping out of my tires because I couldn't afford new ones. That's how broke we were. And honestly, at that time in our life, we were fine. It was just Lexi and I, we were happy. But I knew that it wasn't sustainable in the long run. But we hadn't had that moment yet in our lives, and some of you guys might have had this moment, but we hadn't had that moment in our lives that necessarily forced us to change until in 2018, my daughter Riley, she was about 9, 10 months old, we gave her peanut butter for the very first time. And immediately we gave her that peanut butter. She started to swell up to twice her size. She stopped breathing, couldn't breathe. And we threw her in the car and we rushed her to the closest emergency room. And one of the problems with your daughter going into anaphylactic shock and you rushing her to the emergency room is that you don't have time to pull up your insurance and find out what insurance, what emergency rooms or hospitals with your insurance is in network, what's out of network, and didn't have the time to do that because she was kind of dying. And so we just took her to the closest place possible. We got her in there. She ended up being completely fine, except for the fact that she can't eat peanut butter ever again, but she ended up being completely fine. But what happened after that was really what changed my life. We got a bill in the mail, and it was for $15,000 because I went to the wrong place and our insurance wouldn't cover it. And I remember so specifically sitting at my dinner table in arvada, Colorado, in 2018 and feeling like a massive failure. I felt like I had failed as a husband. I felt like I had failed as a father. I felt like I had failed as a leader of my family. I couldn't provide for them the way that I wanted to. And we had a couple hundred bucks in our bank account and a $15,000 hospital bill. And I was scared to death. And quickly, because of that hospital bill, we ran out of money. I have a picture of this on my phone. On November 7, 2018, that was the day that we ran out of all money, all of our savings, our checkings account. I did not have any money, couldn't make our house payment. I couldn't pay our student loan payment. I didn't have money to go buy groceries. I have a bunch of insufficient fund notice from Wells Fargo. That's where I banked at at the time in Colorado. And I knew I had to change something. And so I started listening to every podcast that I could about making money. That's where I started. Just what can I listen to about making money? And on one of those podcasts, I heard someone say, and I'm not sure if this stat is even True, but someone said that 90% of self made millionaires do it through real estate. I heard that and I was like, I'm, I'm cool with being a millionaire. And so I started to learn about real estate. And that led me to a podcast that many of you guys have heard, many of you guys have listened to. It was a podcast called BiggerPockets. And I started listening to this Bigger Pockets podcast. And there was this dude named Brandon Turner on there in 2018 and he was talking about how he had moved to Maui and he was in his se shed at his house in Maui hosting this podcast because of real estate. And immediately that piqued my interest because Lexi and I had talked about living in Hawaii ever since our honeymoon, our babymoon. And so I was listening to this Brandon Turner guy talk about, hey, here's what real estate's done for my family. Here's how I've used it to change my life. I'm in my seashed with my, at that time, I think he only had one kid, but I'm in my seashed with my daughter and my wife and I was blown away by it. And so I then ordered every one of this guy's books, Brandon Turner's books, and I started to read through all of them. And in doing that, I made the decision, Lexi and I are going to become real estate investors. And so we made a hard decision at that point, but the cost of living in Colorado was so expensive. We made a hard decision and we said, hey, you know what? We're going to move our family from this place that we love in Colorado. We're going to move back to Missouri. We're going to live in my wife's parents house for free and we're going to start investing in real estate. The night we moved, I remember this. My wife, she wrote me a letter and I want to read it to you because it's a really meaningful letter to me. A lot of times I can't read it without crying. I'm not going to cry on this, I promise. But here's why I think it's so important. Because we knew that we wanted to invest in real estate. That was like our vision for our lives at that point in life. And we had to make a sacrifice and, and sometimes the sacrifice feels like a setback. We absolutely loved our friends in Colorado. It's where we had lived since we were 20 years old. We moved out there right after we got married and we had been there for eight or nine years. We loved our jobs in Colorado. I absolutely loved where I worked at. I worked with all of my best friends. We loved Denver. We went hiking, we skied, I snowboarded. We, we loved the weather and we were giving up jobs. We loved friends, we loved an area. We loved to move into Lexi's parents house and not knowing what the future held, we knew that we were going to try and invest in real estate, but we didn't know what the future held. And I think that's so important because I think a lot of people right now are in that moment where they, they, they want to do something different with their lives, they want to do something great with their lives. They want to follow a dream, they want to follow a passion. But, but they're scared of, of making the sacrifice to get there because that sacrifice does feel like a setback. I mean I was 28, 29 years old with two kids living in my, my in law's house for free because I didn't have the money to. That felt like a setback. And so it's so important for anybody listening to this. Like sometimes you have to make sacrifices for that vision that you have for your life. But I want to read this letter that, that Lexi wrote me because again, it's so important to me and Brandon's not here, so I get to do what I want. So you guys have to listen to this letter. But you wrote Cameron, I'm, I'm writing this letter to you three days before we pack up the U Haul and make the drive back to St. Louis. Before we leave this place that we have fallen so in love with. I want to have one more special night with just you. I've planned some of our. And again, we loved it there. I think that's, that's part of this, that's part of why I love this is like we made such a significant sacrifice because we had this dream and we had this vision for our lives. I. She said, I have planned some of our favorite things. And of course the rain in Denver ruined it. But all I wanted to do is spend time with you. Our house is packed up. We said goodbye to our friends. Our time here is over. It's been a blast and, and I'm so excited and nervous for our next adventure. We've gone through a ton of change together and we're about to have a lot more coming our way in the next week. I've been thinking about what the next couple of years of our life will look like. We'll move to St. Louis. Will we go somewhere else after we're going to have our second little girl. Will her name be Cali? It was. Will she be like Riley? I love them so much. We will buy into real estate. We hadn't had anything that point. We had negative $60,000 to our name buy into real estate. Will I stay at home with the girls? Will you love your job? So much unknown and yet I feel so ready, feel comfortable and confident with our decision. I feel these things because of you. You've always been there and you always will be there. I just got goosebumps and tears at the same time when I wrote that down. Uh, you are the most special thing to me. And we are a good team. When I look to the future, I see hard things we will have to overcome. And I know that we will take these things on as a strong team. And then she goes on to, to say some, some more stuff about just promises of, of, of us going after and accomplishing our dreams. But I, I love looking back at that because it was a significant sacrifice at 28 years old to move across the country from a place that we love on, on a dream. But we had a vision and we relentlessly pursued that vision. So we got back to, to St. Louis, it was the fall of 2019 at that point, and we bought our very first flip. And to be completely honest with you, we had no idea what we were doing. I had read the books, I'd listened to the podcast, but is anybody that has actually ever flipped a house? Like all of that stuff goes out the window on your very first deal? I had no idea what I was doing. I thought the rehab was going to be $30,000. Ended up being 130,000 dol. Um, and because we were going to lose money on the house, Lexi and I, with our 18 month old, our 3 week old, our dog and an air mattress, we moved into that house and we flipped it ourselves in the fall of 2019. And it was miserable. But I look back on those times with the fondest of memories because we had a dream. We had a vision for our lives and we were going to relentlessly pursue that vision, even if it meant living on an air mattress in a construction zone with an 18 month, a 3 week old and a dog on an air mattress. And so again, like, if you have this vision, this is why it's so important to have a vision. Your mind and your actions will naturally start moving in the direction of that vision. I think it's a guy named Craig Groeschel. He says that a lot of times our daily habits and our daily actions will move into the direction of our strongest thoughts. And if you have a vision and you are revisiting that vision all the time, a lot of times your daily habits and your daily actions will align with that vision. And that's what happened with us. Did I want to go move into this house and live on an air mattress for three months? No, not at all. But I had this vision, and I knew what it took to get to that vision, and so I was willing to put in that work. And so we finished that house. We did not make any money on it, but we knew that we could do it. We proved to ourselves, we can do this. And again, we had that vision. And so we went all in. And I joined a mastermind in St. Louis with a guy named Brian Schroeder and Sam Prim and Lucas walls. It was $12,000 for the year. I did not have $12,000 to spend, but I knew again that, hey, I. I wanted to make this real estate thing work. And so I signed up. I'd done one house at the time. I didn't have the money to pay it. I put it on a credit card. But I knew that I had a vision. I started journaling. I had a 10x planner from Grant Cardone where you write your goals every single day. And I have pictures of this, but every single day, I wrote build a real estate company. And I wrote live in Hawaii. Every single day, morning and night, I would write that down. And because I had those clear visions, I knew that I could take very clear action. And so Lexi And I, in 2020, we started to scale our real estate business. We bought one house and then another, and then another, and then another. Eventually, we were buying 8, 10, 12 houses a month. And over the course of a couple of years, we were able to literally grow our net worth from negative $60,000 in debt to having a portfolio of over $18 million in real estate. It was incredible. And here, here's where the, the really fun part of the story starts, though, for me is as we were growing and scaling our real estate company, and as I was writing down, you know, I want to live in Hawaii on our. My 5 year goals in the 10x planner. In 2021, I was listening to a Bigger Pockets episode, and I heard Brandon on there, and he promoted something called the Maui Mastermind. Him and Tarl, who's been on this podcast before, they were promoting the Tarl or they're promoting the Maui Mastermind. And because I had this vision and this, this dream of living in Hawaii. And I love real estate. And I'd been listening to Brandon since 2018. I was like, we're going to sign up. We're going to go to that. And so Lexi and I, we signed up for the Maui Mastermind, and we went out to Maui. And I remember on the very first day of the event, Rich Fecky, who I already talked about, he took us through the exercise that I just talked about. And this is. This is kind of crazy because I think the day before there was an event at Brandon's house, before the Maui Mastermind started. And Brandon lived in a beautiful house overlooking the ocean pool, big house, his seashed. And when Rich took us through that exercise, where I landed. And this is. This is crazy. Where I landed in five years in the future was in front of Brandon's house because again, I had been writing in my journal, I want to live in Hawaii. I want to live in Hawaii. And I landed in front of Brandon's house. And I remember, like, walking up the driveway because I had just been there the day before and looking around and knocking on the door and myself answering the door in five years. And. And I remember looking down at the. The floor, like, going into the house and it's stacked with shoes, and there's a big family that lives there. And I remember walking through our house, and I remember it being not clean because it was a place that was lived in, and there was a lot of love and there was a lot of joy and there's a lot of happiness in the house. And then future Me and me went out onto the patio or the lanai, and we had a cup of coffee overlooking the ocean. And I remember that so specifically. And that. And future Me told me about his relationship with his kids and his relationship with his wife and his business. And so, you know, I got done with that exercise and was blown away by it. And so then I started doing it every single morning. I would take five minutes and I would close my eyes and I would go have coffee with Future me on that lanai overlooking the Pacific Ocean. And. And we would talk about life, family, business. And that would align or realign myself with who I needed to be that day to reach that person that I wanted to be in five years. Like, Future me loves my wife more than anything, and we have an amazing marriage. And so, you know what that did? That made me serve my wife more. That made me forgive easier. That made me prioritize my wife and I's relationship. Future Me has a phenomenal relationship with my Kids. And so you know what that did for me is every single day I started choosing them over vegging out on my phone after work or watching Netflix and committed to spending time with them. And not just time, but like present intentional time with my kids. Future me obviously in, in that scenario, owned a house like that in Maui. And so guess what that meant? I meant that I had to work really, really hard and I had to create income strings and streams so I could afford to. To. To buy a house like that in Maui. And I had to reorganize my business so that I could take my business remotely. So future me lived in that house, had an amazing marriage, was present with his kids, ran a business for supported my lifestyle. And every single day I started to become that person because that vision, it aligned or realigned my actions every single day. Day. Future me again chose time with his kids over scrolling. So that's what I did. Future me prioritized Lexi. So that's what I did. Because action without vision is just aimless motion going back to the, the, the phone that where. When. When you don't have a destination and, and you're trying to get somewhere and you just wander around. That is aimless motion. Action without vision is aimless motion motion. But vision without action is empty dreaming. And so I knew that I had to take action on that vision that I had. So I had my future vision, which was to put my, my family first in everything I do. Build out our real estate company, move to Maui. And then guess what happened. My wife and I, we moved here in January of 2023. We were able to move here to Maui in January of 2023. And then there's a lot of other cool things that happened. But In January of 2024, Brandon asked me to be the co host of the Better Life podcast with him, which is kind of crazy to me because I. He's the person who got me into real estate in 2018 and showed me what real estate could do. And, and within the Better Life track, we've been able to donate a ton of money and, and it's been absolutely incredible. And then another really cool thing about that is since 2021, I had been sitting with myself on the lanai overlooking the Pacific Ocean, envisioning myself honestly owning Brandon's house. And one of the really cool things that happened is I bought Brandon's house. I'm sitting in the sea shed that I first listened to him in in 2018. I own the house now, and all of that would not have happened Without a very clear vision. And then the other just. It's insane is I remember very clearly when I had that, when I started doing that every single day. I remember looking at the door every day when I walked into the house and there's a ton of shoes. The door of all of the kids that I have. In January, we found out Lexi was pregnant with twins. We just bought the house. I think we bought the house on January 4th, and we found out that Lexi was pregnant with the twins on January 9, and she just had the twins about a month ago. And now we've, like, literally what I envisioned happened. And I just wanted to talk about that today. Going from not having any money in Colorado to having this dream and this vision for our lives, and to revisit that vision every single day and take relentless action to pursue that, that vision to now building a life that I didn't even think was possible in 2017. And here's what I want everybody that's listening to hear and to know is none of that happened because I was smarter than anyone, because I'm. I'm not that smart. I'm. I'm really not at all, honestly. And none of that happened because I had this amazing strategy of I'm going to do X and then Y and then Z or. It didn't happen because I worked harder than. Than anyone. It happened because I got incredibly clear on the vision for my life. My wife and I, we got incredibly clear on the vision for our lives, and we refused to let go. And we made sacrifices. And when we wanted to give up and when it got really hard, we kept moving forward because that is. Is what we knew that we were called to do. I had a vision. I knew the future that I wanted to build, and I took action. And I believe that I. Everybody that is listening to this can do the same exact thing. And I want to be very clear. Maybe it's not, hey, I want to move across the world to. To an island. Maybe it's not. I want to flip 75 to 100 houses a year, build this rental portfolio. Maybe for you it is simple as flipping a handful of houses a year. That allows you to walk away from your job. Maybe for you, it's as simple as, I want to be a great dad, a great husband, a great friend. That's completely fine. I think a lot of times when we have this vision for our lives, sometimes we confuse greatness for fame and fortune, and those things are not the same thing. I think you can be the most beautiful thing in the World to me is a loving husband and wife that are amazing parents. And if that's the vision for your life, that is the coolest thing in the world. It doesn't have to be about money or living in an exotic place or driving this car or wearing this watch. Whatever that vision is, that's completely fine. But I just want you to know that it is possible. When you have that vision and you take action every single day, that is completely possible. No matter where you're at in your life. Maybe you're broke, maybe you have a terrible marriage, maybe you have a terrible relationship with your kids. It doesn't matter. When you have a vision and you relentlessly pursue that vision, it is possible. And so here's my simple Ask for anybody that has made it this far in the podcast. Before you go to bed at night, pull out your phone, open up your notes app, kind of go through that vision exercise that I did at the beginning of this podcast and write down where am I going? Where am I going? And then answer that question in as much detail as possible and start revisiting that question every single day over and over and over. Because that right there has changed my life. And than any tactic ever could, than any strategy ever could, than any podcast ever could, that one question, where am I going? And relentlessly pursuing that has changed everything in my life. Because vision paired with consistent action is, is where the impossible becomes real. And I want that for every single person that's listening to this. I believe that every single person that is listening this, that that can happen for them. And so thank you guys for listening to this podcast. I know it was just me today. I know it wasn't an interview. I know it was a lot different than than what we've done in the past, but wanted to share my story. And so thank you guys so much for listening and hopefully Brandon will be back with us soon. Have a great day, guys.
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Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the Better Life podcast. We hope you enjoy the show. I hope you got some valuable information insights to help you lead a better life for you and your family. Now, hey, if you found value in this episode, please consider leaving us a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us to improve the show, helps us reach more people with this message of living that better life. And be sure to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode. And hey, before I go, this show is all about the habits, actions, beliefs and strategies that can give you a better life. But in case you're in interested, Interested. And you want to know my opinion on what it takes to live the best life, not just better. And that's from, like, a more spiritual and faith standpoint. Check out abetterlife. Com Bestlife. Thanks again for listening, and we'll see you next time on the Better Life podcast.