The 2021 Movie Draft

Summary

The Big Picture: The 2021 Movie Draft – December 13, 2024

Introduction In this engaging episode of The Big Picture, hosted by Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins from The Ringer, the hosts delve deep into the cinematic landscape of 2021. Amidst the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, Sean and Amanda explore how the movie industry navigated unprecedented challenges, from production delays to the evolving relationship between streaming platforms and theaters. The episode is peppered with personal anecdotes, lively banter, and insightful analyses, making it a must-listen for movie enthusiasts.

Reflecting on 2021's Movie Landscape Sean opens the discussion by highlighting the tumultuous nature of 2021 for the film industry. “Weird year, 2021. We were amidst the COVID pandemic. Wasn't the best time in our lives. It wasn't the best time in the history of movies,” he remarks [03:44]. Amanda adds her personal perspective, sharing that she spent much of 2021 pregnant, drawing a parallel between her life events and the film industry's struggles.

Comparing 2021 to Pre-COVID and Current Times The hosts compare the cinematic environment of 2021 to both pre-pandemic years and the current year. Sean notes, “2021 actually provided an opportunity for a few movies to come to the surface,” citing The Worst Person in the World as an example [07:29]. However, he also points out the stark contrast in box office earnings, with significant disparities between blockbuster hits and underperformers.

Amanda discusses how the shift to streaming affected movie reception, mentioning that many films were “vastly improved by seeing them on a big screen” during home viewings [13:00]. This sentiment echoes Sean’s observation that 2021’s hybrid release models left audiences with a fragmented viewing experience.

The 2021 Movie Draft: Categories and Picks

The core of the episode revolves around the 2021 Movie Draft, where Sean, Amanda, and guest Chris Ryan select their top films across various categories. The draft serves as both a nostalgic reflection and a critical evaluation of the year's cinematic offerings.

1. Drama

   • Sean Fennessey: No Time to Die – Sean opts for the latest James Bond installment, appreciating its blend of action and character development. “It was a fun movie after two very trying years with movies. So for it to be really, truly the first big, big, big movie since COVID I think was appropriate since it gave a lot of people joy” [40:16].
   • Amanda Dobbins: The Souvenir Part 2 – Amanda praises Maggie Gyllenhaal’s autobiographical storytelling. “It's a great work of both adaptation and translation. It brings, like, the feeling that you get reading these novels” [62:46].
   • Chris Ryan: The Worst Person in the World – Chris selects this film for its relatable protagonist and compelling narrative. “I like this story a lot. I like how the self-recrimination of the Anders Danielson Lie character when he's at the end of his life…” [66:04].

2. Comedy

   • Sean Fennessey: House of Gucci – Sean chooses this film for its dark humor and stellar performances. “It's very, very, very funny. I think I laughed louder out loud in my seat” [75:05].
   • Amanda Dobbins: Shiva Baby – Amanda highlights the film’s humor and awkward charm. “It's a very funny, if awkward movie in its own right” [51:08].
   • Chris Ryan: Licorice Pizza – Chris appreciates Paul Thomas Anderson’s direction and the film’s nostalgic vibe. “Paul Thomas Anderson's most recent film. It's a snapshot of 1970s Southern California...” [41:12].

3. Oscar Nominees

   • Sean Fennessey: Nightmare Alley – Sean commends Guillermo del Toro's noir thriller. “It's an incredible movie. One of the best scripted Soderbergh's in his sort of recent Max straight to streamer run” [53:59].
   • Amanda Dobbins: The Lost Daughter – Amanda lauds Maggie Gyllenhaal’s adaptation of Elena Ferrante’s novel. “It’s a great work of both adaptation and translation. And she delivers a beautiful performance” [67:18].
   • Chris Ryan: West Side Story – Chris praises Steven Spielberg's remake for its masterful recreation of the classic musical. “The first 15 minutes is a masterclass in reinventing the way” [45:48].

4. Action/Horror/Thriller

   • Sean Fennessey: Paranormal Activity: Next of Kin – Sean selects this installment for its effective horror elements. “It’s really well done” [78:36].
   • Amanda Dobbins: No Time to Die – After deliberation, Amanda also chooses Bond’s latest film for its suspense and action. “Le Sedoux looks great throughout. She's wonderful” [80:32].
   • Chris Ryan: Malignant – Chris discusses his evolving appreciation for James Wan’s horror. “After rewatching it, I was like, oh, I see. This is really fun and crazy and chaotic and beautiful” [69:36].

5. Blockbusters

   • Sean Fennessey: Dune – Sean favors Denis Villeneuve’s epic adaptation for its grand scale and immersive storytelling. “It's a very prescient film” [34:33].
   • Amanda Dobbins: Spider-Man: No Way Home – Amanda praises the film’s nostalgic appeal and emotional depth. “It was moving when Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield showed up” [39:54].
   • Chris Ryan: Venom: Let There Be Carnage – Chris appreciates the film for its entertaining chaos and strong performances. “Directed by Andy Serkis, chaotically at best. Really enjoyed everything he had to say on the podcast” [82:46].

6. Wild Card

   • Sean Fennessey: Card Counter – Sean selects this film for its intense portrayal of personal struggles and redemption. “Oscar Isaac as a... really a great movie” [90:40].
   • Amanda Dobbins: Shiva Baby – Amanda reiterates her pick for its unique blend of humor and awkwardness, reinforcing its standout qualities [51:08].
   • Chris Ryan: Velvet Underground – Chris chooses the Todd Haynes documentary for its innovative approach to the music documentary genre. “A brilliant reinvention of the music documentary form” [86:18].

Notable Quotes

• Sean Fennessey: “We were amidst the COVID pandemic. Wasn't the best time in our lives. It wasn't the best time in the history of movies.” [03:44]
• Amanda Dobbins: “It's a great work of both adaptation and translation. And she delivers a beautiful performance.” [67:18]
• Chris Ryan: “This movie fucking rocks. This is great.” [14:30]

Personal Anecdotes and Banter Throughout the episode, Sean, Amanda, and Chris interweave personal stories and light-hearted exchanges that add depth and humor to the conversation. From discussing nap habits and parenting anecdotes to sharing experiences at movie screenings, their camaraderie shines through. For instance, Sean recounts a silent standoff between two patrons at an IMAX theater [33:10], while Amanda and Chris joke about "icing" each other with Smirnoff Ice, blending personal humor with their film discussions [35:30].

Concluding Thoughts The episode wraps up with a recap of the draft picks, highlighting the diverse range of films that defined 2021. Sean emphasizes the emotional resonance of Nightmare Alley, Amanda champions The Lost Daughter for its profound storytelling, and Chris celebrates Velvet Underground for its innovative documentary style. Their selections reflect a year of cinematic resilience and creativity, navigating the complexities of a transformed viewing landscape.

Final Quote

• Amanda Dobbins: “It's a movie podcast, so I don't really do TV shows.” [68:16]
• Sean Fennessey: “It's a very prescient film.” [34:33]

Closing Sean, Amanda, and Chris bid farewell with plans for future discussions and the anticipation of upcoming cinematic releases. Their heartfelt reflections and passionate debates offer listeners a comprehensive and entertaining overview of 2021’s film scene, all while maintaining the signature humor and insight that The Big Picture is known for.

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the provided transcript and are intended to guide listeners to key moments within the episode.

Transcript

[Sean Fennessey]

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[Chris Ryan]

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[Sean Fennessey]

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[Chris Ryan]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Chris Ryan]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Chris Ryan]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Chris Ryan]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Chris Ryan]

Big Picture, a conversation show about 2021. We are drafting again. It's the movie draft 2021 edition. Chris Ryan, CR is here. Hello.

[Sean Fennessey]

Happy December, Sean.

[Chris Ryan]

Happy birthday. Amanda is here with us in December when we are recording this very not pre recorded episode of the podcast. No, we're pre taping this episode. This is the furthest in advance we've ever pre taped an episode. It's August.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did you verify that? Did you scroll back?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I mean, when else have we, four months in advance pre taped an episode?

[Sean Fennessey]

Cause we didn't do that last time.

[Chris Ryan]

No, we didn't do anything like that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, we baked a couple. I was gone for seven months last time. And you survived.

[Chris Ryan]

You fucking remember?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I came back at some point but I felt like we did it.

[Chris Ryan]

It was a long seven months.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I recall we were still doing Zoom at the time.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But there was like a chaotic five person draft with Mallory and Joe. I think that was done.

[Chris Ryan]

It Was pre recorded.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Several months in advance. But I don't know whether it was four. It's mid August.

[Chris Ryan]

It's mid August.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is airing in December. It is in December. Is Aaron Rodgers still the quarterback, starting quarterback for the New York jets, or.

[Sean Fennessey]

Has he been supplanted?

[Chris Ryan]

I'll say he's back, but he missed six weeks in the middle of the season. Okay, but he's back for the stretch run.

[Sean Fennessey]

Doing a hard hand count for RFK's.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes. And he withstood that loss and he persists on. Right? Yeah, he's back.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Everyone was on vacation for the bear stuff by the bear. I mean, R.F.

[Chris Ryan]

Cannon.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The bear. Not the bear, the show.

[Sean Fennessey]

I was around. I was around.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. That was just some weird shit.

[Chris Ryan]

Has not been listening to jmo.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

We had three separate bear taxidermies.

[Sean Fennessey]

One told from the Bear Bears perspective.

[Chris Ryan]

Incredible. Some of your best voice Work. Okay, 2021. Shall we discuss it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Weird year, 2021. We were amidst the COVID pandemic. Wasn't the best time in our lives. It wasn't the best time in the history of movies. We were podcasting pretty regularly. But I'll start with you, Amanda. Who Were you in 2021? What were you doing? What were you up to?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, this is an apt time to be doing this because I spent a majority of 2021 pregnant. As I have spent a majority of 2024 pregnant. I gotta say, movies not performing the best in both circumstances.

[Sean Fennessey]

So do you think the two are related?

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, maybe everyone's saving the, you know, the good stuff for when I'm back.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe it's kind of like Damian the Omen, but for movies, you know, where, like for this child to come, the movies must be sacrificed.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The movie Sin Eater.

[Sean Fennessey]

Every time I just think Damian Oman, my son, Damian Owen. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

In that formulation by Bill, which is incredible stuff that he's done there is Omin Satan's last name.

[Sean Fennessey]

Omin is his last name. It's like Scottie Pippen.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, okay, that's what I thought.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think it is.

[Sean Fennessey]

No, I mean his name's last name.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, and that's why the movie that you guys all loved was like First Omen. And I thought he was like the first omen of the family.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, wait, so you didn't think it was the Omen that the child of Satan was.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I thought his name was Damian Oman.

[Chris Ryan]

It's not Omen.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, you know, I'm a Bill follower. Listen, I say abreast of the bits.

[Chris Ryan]

Let's look at the characters. Real.

[Amanda Dobbins]

How do you think Paul George is doing right now for the Sixers?

[Sean Fennessey]

I think similarly to Aaron Rodgers, he's missed some time, but is also impressed.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

It appears the character's last name is Thorn.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Robert. That's Catherine Thorne.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, we saw a lot of movies. Most of them were pretty bad, I would say.

[Chris Ryan]

I think I clocked 331 new movies this year.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Which is crazy. But we were still, for the most part quarantining. The vaccine arrived in April, I want to say. Or maybe I got vaccinated in April and started going back to the movies at this time. But many of the movies that we watched, we watched at home.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And this is when the studios were like, yeah, I'll send you a link.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I was like, really? You'll send me a link to this action movie? And they did.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I do also feel like this was the really the year where the lag of production and the limits of post production reshoots, et cetera, like, were available. So there wasn't that much. And what you saw, at least through November was of varying quality.

[Chris Ryan]

So there's some dispute about when's the right time to have multiple people on drafts and when's the wrong time.

[Amanda Dobbins]

We did dispute among who?

[Chris Ryan]

Amongst the listeners of the show.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, that's their problem. That's them on their times.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm merely bringing it up to make a point, which is that in 1996 we did that draft. We were like, wow, there's so many honorable mentions, so many leftover movies.

[Sean Fennessey]

We have multiple people on to do this.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. You couldn't say the same for 2021.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's really true.

[Sean Fennessey]

No, I mean, it would be interesting to see other people's different sort of experiences of this. I think you guys had a very specific one which is pulling from this weird flood of stuff. Both things that they had already shot, that they had in the can. Things that were getting finished in the most extreme of circumstances. And crucially, the collapse of the theatrical business. Best picture nominees showing up on streaming after maybe being in 10 theaters or being out for a few days or something like that. I was wondering whether or not when you look at the large list of the films that you see here, do you feel that the current moment in film more mirrors something closer to 2021 or have we gotten back to the pre Covid time of how movies felt?

[Chris Ryan]

It's a good question. I think that this year is more powerful than. I don't know if it will qualitatively be as good actually as 2021. I think 2021 actually provided an opportunity for a few movies to come to the surface. I'll give you an example. The Worst person in the world. I think it's a movie that probably got way more attention in the United States than it ever would have if not for the COVID pandemic. And it's not to say that a movie like that wouldn't be made in 2024, but 2024 feels a little light on your like five star masterpieces incoming so far.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

But the box office has done very well this year. And there have been big. There's been $2 billion movies already this year. That was not even close to the case for the business in 2021.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

There's only one movie that made more than $250 million in the US this year. And it was. It's a big chasm between that movie and the other movies.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So Hollywood is in a different place.

[Sean Fennessey]

I think if you had asked me that or if I asked myself that six weeks ago, I would have had a different answer than I do today.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Today.

[Sean Fennessey]

Today in August. Because you saw Romulus 1 because of the box office like you're talking about. And like this weird. The long legs. And it ends with us and Romulus all doing really well.

[Chris Ryan]

People want to go to movies. Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

Despite Wolf's going to streaming feels like a very 2021. Like Wolfs doesn't go to streaming if Covid doesn't happen.

[Chris Ryan]

So that to me actually feels like that specific thing you just cited, which will now be incredibly old news by the time people hear this. But that feels like Apple TV is just a few years behind its competitors. And so they're still doing some stuff. They're still learning the same. They're still experiencing the same mistakes that their forebears did. And it's a great time to talk about it because 2021 was the year of Project Popcorn when Warner Brothers decided to do Day and Date with not just some of, but all of their big ticket movies. So that means that Matrix Resurrections, King Richard, Dune, Part 1, Cry Macho in the Heights, the Suicide Squad, the Many Saints of Newark.

[Sean Fennessey]

Those who Wish Me Dead. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Those who Wish Me Dead. Godzilla versus Kong.

[Sean Fennessey]

All of those movies move all.

[Chris Ryan]

They all went straight to streaming and you could see them in movie theaters. And we did see some of those movies in movie theaters. But we're gonna look back on that as like a really weird historical anomaly. In the movie business, it's still happening. Cause, like, the Godzilla Kong movie that came out this year made like $600 million. And what did it make? Like 100 million this year. So it's just a fascinating thing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Godzilla vs. Kong is one that came out even before vaccines were widely available. And so some of. I mean, some of it was, you know, I know it's fashionable now to be like, what were you doing? What was. What's his first name? Kilar. Jeff.

[Chris Ryan]

Jason Kylar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Jeff Kilar.

[Chris Ryan]

Jim Kilar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I also had Greg for a moment.

[Chris Ryan]

Greg Jeff, Little Johnny Kilar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But it was like, theaters legally could not be open in many states. And that became like, a whole culture, all sorts of things.

[Chris Ryan]

So, like, you were protesting outside. I remember you had a big sign that said, open these theaters now.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's true. But, like, it did take a while for the infrastructure to come back.

[Chris Ryan]

It does.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So, you know, it is very strange, and we're still dealing with the effects of it, but it was because of a much larger.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you think the ArcLight will be open when this podcast goes out?

[Chris Ryan]

I don't. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for.

[Sean Fennessey]

25, but I just mean, like. I mean, like, the theatrical business has taken a long time to get back on its feet, so it's really nice that the box office has done better this year. But I do think that you can still see, like, the bones and shadows of what was 2019 has not been reanimated entirely.

[Chris Ryan]

The funny thing about it is, I was just saying to somebody on another podcast, I'm trying to not catastrophize as much as I used to, which is obviously a signature of my movie podcasting. But it's plausible that Wicked Part one and Moana two, Bomb or Bomb.

[Sean Fennessey]

And this conversation we're having with how.

[Chris Ryan]

The box office is fine is not fine.

[Sean Fennessey]

You hate Gladiator Part 2, and you're just like, it all sucks.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Gladiator 2's bad. We could be in a place where this pod conversation seems pointless, but 2021 was a fascinating time because you're right. This was the year where people started going back to the movies, but it took a little while. I remember Quiet Place Part 2 was the first place, first movie that I saw in theaters. A movie that I loved. I probably loved it because I was back in a movie theater more so I saw old.

[Sean Fennessey]

I felt the same way. It did not. Not a good film, but I saw it in a movie theater. I was like, listen, okay, Seven eighths.

[Chris Ryan]

Of a Great movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

Because I don't like Trap as much as you do.

[Amanda Dobbins]

If you don't like the genre. If you don't like it, you don't like it. That's fine. You don't need to say that it's bad. You know, I didn't say it was bad.

[Sean Fennessey]

You did say old.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You did. You said it was bad.

[Chris Ryan]

You did use the word bad.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You said old was not a good movie. And you said that you enjoyed the first half of Trap before it fell apart. So we.

[Chris Ryan]

Who's got Phillies back now? Right here.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't know this one. You are like. Rem's Monster is not a significant album. Okay, what did I say during season two of the Bear? And you guys were like. And I was like, yes. The Millennials love Monster. Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

We were.

[Sean Fennessey]

I just try to have a nuanced look at each film on its own merits. And I really liked the first half of. I love the Visit. I love Signs and the Village. Weirdly.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, not weirdly.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What's weird about. Those are good movies.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm a Shama guy. I like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You betrayed him.

[Chris Ryan]

You dumped on Trap and Old Time.

[Sean Fennessey]

So you listened to the Romulus pod, but you did not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I haven't made it all the way to the end yet. Okay, but that's just because.

[Sean Fennessey]

Couple shout outs for you in there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, like, I'm getting there, but when we're recording it. And also the amount of time I'm spending in my car driving around right now is like.

[Chris Ryan]

Is lessened at a lower plan.

[Sean Fennessey]

I will say. Can I just. To tie this into 2021 this year, I've had a couple of experiences in 2024 of movies that I think are okay or, like, pretty good or not so great, but were vastly improved by seeing them on a big screen. And I desperately wish I could go back in time, have my first viewing of about a dozen of these movies, be in a dark theater with a bunch of people, and see if they would have clicked a little bit more.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think I'm going to draft this movie. I might. I don't think I am.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is it without remorse?

[Chris Ryan]

It's not without remorse. Oh, my God.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That.

[Chris Ryan]

I thought about making one of the categories, streaming only, but I didn't do that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I would like to do that at some point. Comedy or musical? Because there are literally no comedies.

[Chris Ryan]

But there are.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But there's, like, one. But. Sure. So it can be interesting. Or there's a couple. Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

This is where the work comes in. Well, I. I'LL consider that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There are a lot of musicals.

[Chris Ryan]

I'll consider that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That way you can have Dear Evan Hansen, you know, and you don't have to decide.

[Chris Ryan]

Good. I'm good on that.

[Sean Fennessey]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Have you seen Dear Evan Hansen?

[Sean Fennessey]

I have not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Do you like the either?

[Sean Fennessey]

It's about a kid who's writing letters to a dude in his school who was his friend but then passes away.

[Chris Ryan]

Sort of.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, kind of.

[Chris Ryan]

Not quite.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then Amy Adams is the mom.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is she. Does she get nominated for that?

[Chris Ryan]

Yep. Coolest actress around 19 years running. The movie I was going to say was Matrix Resurrections, which was a very divisive movie and people really didn't like. I saw it with Van and Charles. I remember vividly we saw it at the IMAX campus in Playa Vista, which is one of the coolest rooms in la. And I was like, this movie fucking rocks. This is great. And then it came out and everybody was like, this movie should be burned at the stake.

[Sean Fennessey]

I saw it with my mother on a television screen and we both fell asleep.

[Chris Ryan]

And there you have it.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's the problem.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's the problem.

[Sean Fennessey]

There's a bunch of movies here from this year that I literally had to. Not the ones I saw in the theater, but the streaming ones require diligence. You just have to either pretend like you're captured captive audience or in the case of a couple of my favorite movies from this year, it was second or third viewing that they really started to come together for me.

[Chris Ryan]

Interesting. So it was the third viewing of Eternals that unlocked it for you.

[Sean Fennessey]

The tragedy of that story, Shima. It's just amazing.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Did you see Eternals?

[Sean Fennessey]

Isn't that happens, though?

[Chris Ryan]

It does, yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

Brian.

[Chris Ryan]

Ty.

[Sean Fennessey]

I just saw Eternals.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I sat next to you.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, you heard me gasping multiple times at how wonderful.

[Sean Fennessey]

I saw Eternals in the theater by myself. I think to do the watch, but I can't remember.

[Chris Ryan]

2021 is a man. Who are you?

[Sean Fennessey]

If 2021 was a man, As a.

[Chris Ryan]

Man, who Were you in 2021? Amanda mentioned she was pregnant. As a woman, could she be more of a woman?

[Sean Fennessey]

I was pregnant with. Thought I was thinking a lot about where we were going.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. The eternal gestation, one might say.

[Sean Fennessey]

I never know how to answer these questions when they are years in which we were doing the podcast. I mean, there's documented proof of who I was.

[Chris Ryan]

None of that is true. What was the real you going through at that time?

[Sean Fennessey]

I think I was a lonely, scared boy wondering what was going to happen in this fantasy land that I live in, you know. No, I was fine.

[Chris Ryan]

I was sleepy Joe, he came in.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Were you feeling good about that?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes, you were.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, I remember. I remember a sense of jubilation outside of Sweetgreen when that finally went through.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that was in 2020 though.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh yeah, that's right.

[Chris Ryan]

Question for you right now. Let's just say it's August 19th, 2:36pm West coast time. Is Joe Biden asleep right now?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, you would hope because he was going to add a nap into the schedule. Right. But like you can't be napping. He's on the east coast.

[Chris Ryan]

A little more free time now.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But he's on the east coast.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So 5:30 is too late to be napping, you think?

[Sean Fennessey]

He's just strict rules about napping, Can I tell you that?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I mean it's a lifestyle.

[Sean Fennessey]

You want scolded me for napping before noon and now though I took a.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Brief nap this morning before noon.

[Sean Fennessey]

So now it's too late to nap at 5:30.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, that's going to mess up your late night sleep cycle.

[Sean Fennessey]

As a continental woman, I think like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think somewhere between 1 and 3:30 is the right time to be sleeping.

[Sean Fennessey]

3:30 is my sweet spot.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But you gotta be up by 5 5:30 or else how are you gonna go to bed? Even you're. I know you're a late night person.

[Sean Fennessey]

But I'm not actually as much anymore and I, my naps are more of like a quick power cycle. Like it's just like down and up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, how many minutes?

[Sean Fennessey]

Well, I'll listen to a podcast for 40 minutes but I'll probably be only like asleep for 20.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, so you fall asleep two podcasts. What's your favorite podcast to fall asleep to?

[Sean Fennessey]

There are really more ones that I can't fall asleep to Fantasy football. I can't fall asleep to Heifetz and Craig. No offense, it's just that they keep the energy high and it's not. It's a lot of British guys just being like. And then Liverpool at the left backer just facing a terrible, terrible.

[Chris Ryan]

That sounds calming.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, it's really calming.

[Chris Ryan]

I can't fall asleep with anything in my ears anymore. I used to fall asleep to music and or podcasts for years.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But you still fall asleep to a screen most nights, right? I do not. Oh really? I'm so happy for you. That's really, that's an improvement. I was worried about your, your sleep habits.

[Chris Ryan]

I did fall asleep on Saturday night to a screen for the first time in a while. Because I split a bottle of wine. With your husband at all.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Chris Ryan]

And then I went home and I turned on Desperado, the Robert Rodriguez film. And I was through the first five minutes. I was like, this was such a good call. I love this movie. And then I don't remember anything that happened after that.

[Sean Fennessey]

I definitely just fell asleep in the adu.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, no, it was in the bed. But you know. You know, right? That's. I'm old.

[Sean Fennessey]

I like watching the most fucked up thing possible right up to the second I go to sleep to see what happens. I've been watching Horror in the High Desert. It's a found footage trilogy the last couple of nights. It's very convoluted but very interesting. And it's just done some wonders for my nighttime experiences.

[Chris Ryan]

I just can't get more than six hours of sleep at all, period. I've just got. I've got a human alarm clock.

[Sean Fennessey]

Will your daughter torturing me past 7 7?

[Chris Ryan]

No. I would kill for 6:15.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Kill. Yeah, I was up at 5:15 this morning, so.

[Sean Fennessey]

You're sharp.

[Chris Ryan]

Apologies for my performance.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She won't go back to sleep. Like with in your bed or anything?

[Chris Ryan]

No, no, I don't want her in my bed. Get a. Stay out of my bed.

[Sean Fennessey]

Alice is born by 2021, right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, she was born in 2021.

[Sean Fennessey]

That explains your love of coda.

[Chris Ryan]

It does. Coda? I watched it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did you not cry at Coda?

[Sean Fennessey]

I didn't see Coda.

[Chris Ryan]

I watched.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You still haven't seen it. Oh, man, come on. That last scene. Waterworks.

[Chris Ryan]

Given all these pregnancies you've had, you think that a movie like that would touch you in some way?

[Sean Fennessey]

What pregnancies?

[Chris Ryan]

You said pregnant with thought.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Given all of your bastards, one would think you could look at that film with some heart.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm so sick of some dude named Chris. Snow comes up to me. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Chauncey.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, dad.

[Chris Ryan]

I've been listening to your podcast.

[Sean Fennessey]

Why won't you watch Miyazaki?

[Chris Ryan]

I became a father in 2021.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Best thing ever. That's great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Alice. Even though she won't go to sleep.

[Chris Ryan]

She won't go to sleep. She said she wouldn't sleep then and she won't sleep now. But aside from that, we're good. We're good. Great choice.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm a big fan.

[Chris Ryan]

That was in July. So my wife is also pregnant for the majority of the season.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And that was a good Thing that was a good thing, because being quarantined and her being pregnant, it was like, let's watch movies. I watched so many movies, in part because she was like, that's what we're doing. Like, that is our life now. So in terms of racking up the.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Statistics, I mean, this one's been a rude awakening. In terms of what you mean. I have to drive. Two hours to come.

[Chris Ryan]

We were just talking about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, sit in your uncomfortable seat. I got to start bringing a Nerf football to prop me up.

[Chris Ryan]

A Nerf football?

[Sean Fennessey]

It's a little back trick. Small your back. It helps.

[Chris Ryan]

I should explore that for. Just for my own.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, yeah, we had a lot of time to watch movies in 2021.

[Chris Ryan]

The big movie this year was no Way Home, which I guess didn't make all of its money because it was end of the year. Right. Came out, I want to say, in December.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It did.

[Chris Ryan]

And so it made most of its money in 2022, but it made $800 million total.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, the Spider Mans were like, this.

[Sean Fennessey]

This is the Spider man meme one. I thought this was the Jake Gyllenhaal one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, this is.

[Chris Ryan]

This is Far From Home. Is the Jake Gyllenhaal.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, Far From Home. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you like that one?

[Sean Fennessey]

I prefer no Way Home to Far From Home.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Me, too.

[Chris Ryan]

Me, too. Number two, are you looking at the document? Do you know what the second highest grossing movie of the year was?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Because you didn't tell me not to look.

[Chris Ryan]

Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Did you see this one?

[Sean Fennessey]

I did, on the theater.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Me, too. At Lockheed.

[Chris Ryan]

It's okay. It's not that bad.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, but then what happened in the last 45 minutes, respectfully, is terrible.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, but it's pretty. There was stuff I liked about it. Okay, but that. I mean, this is. That's. That. That movie made $225 million.

[Sean Fennessey]

How did Black Widow make 183? Didn't it go right to Disney plus, like, two weeks later?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes, it did. And Scarlett Johansson would love to tell you about it.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm available.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennessey]

She wants to discuss it.

[Chris Ryan]

That's not a movie I saw in theaters.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Me either.

[Chris Ryan]

Because it came out. I think because it came out so early.

[Sean Fennessey]

They sent screeners for that, actually.

[Chris Ryan]

They sent screeners. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe I watched it on a screener.

[Amanda Dobbins]

We did, huh?

[Chris Ryan]

Very strange. This is weird here.

[Sean Fennessey]

A lot of that film. The Russian School for Girls and Rachel Weisz and.

[Chris Ryan]

Was it Brian Cox who was the man. Who ran that school. Who was the villain?

[Sean Fennessey]

The Born Identity School was. David Harper was in this as he was this guy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then there's no. It's like. Isn't it like, Olga.

[Chris Ryan]

It was Ray Winstone.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, sure. But then who.

[Sean Fennessey]

Olga Kurolenko is the villain.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Taskmaster.

[Sean Fennessey]

Sure.

[Chris Ryan]

Character I'm very familiar with.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then Florence Pugh is just stealing the show from absolutely everyone.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Does she still have to be in Marvel movies?

[Chris Ryan]

She's going to be in the Thunderbolts movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Really? I thought everyone.

[Sean Fennessey]

She's now the champion of. She's. She's coming for Gwyneth's crown of. I did not know I was in that. I can sense this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think she'll be pretty good at it, though. I mean, Gwyneth, like, whenever they made that Robert Downey Jr. Announcement, and she's just up in Instagram being like, wait, I don't get it. Are you bad now? I mean, there's no one better than Gwyneth Paltrow.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think Florence P. Will be able to compete with Gwyneth in that front. I think she's actually like, I'm a hero in this movie. It's cool. She was at Comic Con, like, proudly standing amongst the thunderbolts.

[Sean Fennessey]

Can you name any of the thunderbolts besides Yelena?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, you mean like the characters? Oh, no. Is Squirrel Girl a thunderbolt?

[Chris Ryan]

No, sadly for you.

[Sean Fennessey]

What's Wyatt Russell's character's name?

[Chris Ryan]

He is American. He's like Dr. America. Yeah, that's a really good question. U.S. agent.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, I think U.S. agent. That's weird.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That is his name.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. You can't name any other characters. Well, Bucky, you know, Bucky Sebastian, Stan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, he's back.

[Sean Fennessey]

He's a Winter Soldier.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And he didn't turn evil and. Or become Captain America at any point.

[Chris Ryan]

Turn back. Thanks to Wakanda. Thank you very much for restoring me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

In what installment in Black Panther?

[Sean Fennessey]

Infinity War.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I saw both of those.

[Sean Fennessey]

Doesn't that happen in infant?

[Chris Ryan]

He emerges from Wakanda in Infinity War, but he's been. I think it's in Black Panther isn't in part of. It doesn't really matter.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Nevertheless, the Winter Soldier with the bionic arm is good again.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's good again. And he's a Thunderbolt.

[Chris Ryan]

So you've got US Agent, played by Wyatt Russell. You've got Bucky Barnes, AKA Winter Soldier, played by Sebastian Stan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Are any of the, like, Hailee Steinfeld people or any of the little Marvels.

[Sean Fennessey]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

That's a different team. They're the Young Young Avengers.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, like Avengers babies. Okay. And that's rude.

[Sean Fennessey]

They're reductive, but really funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

If there were baby Avengers, badgers, babies.

[Chris Ryan]

We mentioned David Harbour. He's a Red Guardian.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, he's back.

[Chris Ryan]

He'll be back.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, that's good news for their finances. Lily Allen's been selling foot pics on the Internet. Like, I don't know what's going on.

[Chris Ryan]

Pics?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you buy any?

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you engage with her podcast content?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't. I sometimes listen to the recaps and I, like, I love Lily. I'm rooting for her always. But, like, I was concerned about their financial situation.

[Sean Fennessey]

I think stranger things. Money's about to hit and he'll be good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that's true. They did one of those Architectural Digest tours, and it was clear they just, like, ran out of money. By the time they got to the basement, I was like, those curtains, all right, I made them.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, I do want to draw your attention to one other character in Thunderbolts. Character's name is Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is that Harrison Ford?

[Chris Ryan]

It is.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So he's a Thunderbolt because he's the Red Hulk.

[Chris Ryan]

He's the leader of the Thunderbolts, and he's also Red Hulk.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

So we're gonna redo the Harrison Ford hall of Fame so we can get Red Hulk in there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

When is this coming out next year? What time?

[Chris Ryan]

I think in the summer.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's after Captain Brave New World, I think May. There's a couple of big blockbuster movies that I think really drove you completely insane in this year.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, tell me about them.

[Sean Fennessey]

Free Guy.

[Chris Ryan]

Hated it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Hated it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

I think we were all quite mad at no Time to Die.

[Chris Ryan]

I liked it. I ultimately liked it. I did. I did.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was happy to be there. I was nervous that it was never going to get released, and I was feeling a little quarantine fatigued.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

On that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I think it was like, finally, like, the morning sickness had lifted, you know, like, I wasn't barfing.

[Sean Fennessey]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So. But I haven't watched it since.

[Chris Ryan]

I haven't either. I did interview Cary Joji Fukunaga on that episode where we discussed the film. And that was before certain events transpired, certain revelations were made. And I haven't praised any of his work since. But you have praised Masters of the Air. You've said that's one of your favorite shows.

[Sean Fennessey]

I actually, specifically was real big into Bowdoin and Fleck's work on that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, right, of course.

[Chris Ryan]

No time to laugh. I was okay. I thought it was a bold final. Final.

[Sean Fennessey]

It was a bold final act. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Lashana lynch was good.

[Chris Ryan]

Sure.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's going to be.

[Chris Ryan]

Daniel Craig was good. Jonah was great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Rami Malek. I don't know why he was there.

[Chris Ryan]

That wasn't good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That was tough.

[Chris Ryan]

I didn't like the stuff that was like the Snowman, you know, that was kind of like a Swedish thriller. Yeah, but not. It wasn't. It just wasn't Bond.

[Sean Fennessey]

Well, you know the scene where James Bond orders a missile strike on himself? That's going to be you. When Aaron Rodgers terraces acl.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, and the Anna de Armistian. That was really good. That should have been the whole movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Come on. That was a fun movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. How's she doing? When's Ballerina coming out?

[Chris Ryan]

I believe next summer.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Can't say I was wowed by the footage I saw at CinemaCon.

[Sean Fennessey]

They didn't. They reshot the movie since then they.

[Chris Ryan]

Reshot it and they retitled it John Wick presents Colon Ballerina.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, great.

[Chris Ryan]

We'll see no John Wick movies this year.

[Sean Fennessey]

2021.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Three was 2019.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which one is F9? That's the one where they go. They quote, unquote, go to space.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes, that's correct.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, they didn't go to space.

[Sean Fennessey]

You're like the Joe Rogan of weather. F9.

[Chris Ryan]

You can say the same for Apollo 13. You know, they went to space. Apollo 13.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They did go to space. They went to space in that one.

[Chris Ryan]

What do you mean? Ludacris went to space in F9.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, but like in a Honda.

[Chris Ryan]

Chris Bridges was there in a Honda.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, but it wasn't like a whole mission. I don't besmirch Apollo 13. I mean, 30 year anniversary coming next year.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm just saying that Apollo 13 and F9 have some things in common. Gotta be okay with that. Do you want a draft?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So.

[Sean Fennessey]

But I'm also happy to keep debating certain things if you want to.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like space travel.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's legitimacy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think it's legitimate.

[Sean Fennessey]

Me too.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you have a problem with doing the three years later thing at the end of every year?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Why?

[Chris Ryan]

I'm just asking you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Why are you asking me?

[Chris Ryan]

You're co hosted this podcast.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I think it's good. And now I do actually understand it as a tradition that we do every three years. Whereas like everything else, you're like. And now in the grand tradition of the big picture. Something I made up at 3am after watching Desperado, drinking some Bordeaux. So I like. No, I'm with you now. The main thing is you don't always let me know I gotta sell something before it's time to sell it.

[Chris Ryan]

I expect you to just read my energy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think I do a decent job.

[Chris Ryan]

Pretty good. Pretty good. Not him, though. He was just like, it's always so hard when we were podcasting together to share my thoughts. I was like, just fucking make something up.

[Sean Fennessey]

You're a podcaster?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, well, I don't think I was that interesting in 2021.

[Chris Ryan]

No, you were.

[Sean Fennessey]

I wasn't playing.

[Chris Ryan]

You're the person I most want to spend my time with. That isn't in my family. Like, that's a. That's as nice a thing as I could possibly say. You got. You've got great shit going on.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's really nice of you guys to say. I don't feel. I don't feel as interesting as I used to.

[Chris Ryan]

I thought you were going to say, I don't feel the same way.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'd much rather be hanging out with. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So Bobby Wagner is not here with us today, but he has recorded the draft order. I have not listened to this. I'm going to play it for us here so we will hear in real time. Let's just let it play all the way through. Okay. Okay, let's set the draft order.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No Top Gun hat this time.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm on the road. But longtime listeners will remember the ever reliable we'll decide.com cookies are cleared.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Wealdecide.com's algorithm favors no. 1. Here we go. Selecting first is Chris Ryan.

[Chris Ryan]

And second will be Amanda Dobbins, which makes Sean third. Okay, so now we know. Chris first, Amanda second, me third.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think this is. Okay. This means that this doesn't have to be mean spirited. Maybe it will be.

[Chris Ryan]

What do you mean?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, maybe we don't have to.

[Chris Ryan]

When has it ever been mean spirited?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm so tired. Can you just play along with my bits?

[Chris Ryan]

Good, good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, no, I'm not. It's not my pick. It's your pick first. I mean, you can go for the jugular right now if you want to.

[Sean Fennessey]

Well, I'll take. I'll take dude in Blockbuster.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think that's the right call.

[Sean Fennessey]

I was kind of hoping to get third because I love to have the turn in this particular draft. Dune is kind of a chalky pick. I don't really like the Blockbusters very much. From this Year. So this is. This is the one that makes the most sense to me. I feel this was really good, picking a blockbuster that I saw in streaming.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, I saw it at that IMAX theater in Playa Vista that Sean was describing, and it was awesome.

[Sean Fennessey]

Nfi not fucking invited.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I saw it at the Stephen Ross Theater on the Warner Brothers lot.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, that's your favorite Dolphins owner.

[Chris Ryan]

It was.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's the really good one. That's where we saw Dune, too, as well. I mean, that's one of the best theaters in la.

[Chris Ryan]

I've seen both installments in that theater. It was incredible. However, this was the origin, of course, of me saying, wait a minute.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Wait.

[Chris Ryan]

This isn't the whole story. What's happening here, sir?

[Sean Fennessey]

I saw Romulus at the imax, at the brand or at the Americana or whatever. Generally a positive experience, except for the 20 minutes that a man stood in front of another man showing him his ticket on his phone. And the other man was just like, I'm not getting up. And the guy just held the phone in his face, and the other guy was just like, I'm not moving. But they weren't even yelling at each other. It was just like a silent standoff between two gladiators.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, which guy were you? Were you the guy with the phone.

[Sean Fennessey]

Or the guy with seat? Of course, I not only do I very far in advance buy my tickets, select my seats to be away from others, in some ways, I like to get on the aisle. But then this guy, these two guys just fucking. They worked it out, though. Eventually they did. They turned their phones off.

[Chris Ryan]

But did one of them have a xenomorph implanted?

[Sean Fennessey]

No. But this is probably why I was like, I wonder if Rainn is Ripley's daughter. Because I couldn't really pay attention.

[Amanda Dobbins]

How did they resolve it? Was there a third party who came?

[Sean Fennessey]

It was essentially a matter of moving down one seat.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And so did the man sitting move down a seat?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. But, like, really, how long?

[Sean Fennessey]

Like, honestly, six minutes. Yeah, just be like, I respected it, though.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm sorry. It's really funny.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, that's what society's at. Hopefully, President Blank will bring about a world president.

[Chris Ryan]

RFK Jr people, they're amazing.

[Sean Fennessey]

They'll ban electronic ticketing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The first day I start crying, shout out to those guys.

[Sean Fennessey]

And shout out to Denis Villeneuve, who made a great blockbuster.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It's such a great movie. It's a great movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's a really, really, really good movie. Okay. That's what I would have Taken in Blockbuster again in the spirit of kindness.

[Chris Ryan]

You're just covered in tears.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's just really funny. And I just, like, also imagining Chris sitting there just staring, you know, like, maybe getting the timer instead of doing anything.

[Sean Fennessey]

World star for two guys silently showing each other their phones.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's really funny.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do people still do that?

[Chris Ryan]

You should bring that back.

[Sean Fennessey]

Worldstar was good. And Icing dudes was good.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you ever ice anyone? Did you ice me?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, we iced people at the Rigor for a while.

[Chris Ryan]

Did we? Yeah, there was, like, a Graylen.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, no, it was the ringer.

[Chris Ryan]

Was it icing? Was it the ringer?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No.

[Sean Fennessey]

Maybe I brought icing back at the ringer, but I think we mean Gallagher. I think Gallagher and I, like, tried to ice dudes.

[Chris Ryan]

What was it? Was it Smirnoff Ice? Is that what you did?

[Sean Fennessey]

But what would you do? Would you make people drink it? But like, how?

[Chris Ryan]

I remember when I dropped off the pallet full of Smirnoff Ice at your house, and you very slowly knocked out 800 cans over the course of two years.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's why I can't remember what I was doing in 2021. I got iced too much.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did you present it? Like, did you kneel down in front of the person? Or did the person have to kneel down once they had been, like, sneaked icing? Were you old enough?

[Sean Fennessey]

No, but do you, like, how did it work?

[Amanda Dobbins]

You kneel. Like, the person that gets iced kneels. Okay. And so. But so if you ice someone, you just have to figure out of how to present it to them, like, legally.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, you would hide it and you'd pull it out. Also, you definitely did this at the ringer.

[Sean Fennessey]

Because I was 16 in high school.

[Chris Ryan]

And Ringer was 20 16.

[Amanda Dobbins]

17.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So that was definitely a ringer at icing time.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, no, no. Icing time was, like, 29.

[Sean Fennessey]

We brought it back.

[Chris Ryan]

You keep saying that like it was Social Security or something. Like, you saved it. I voted for icing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Now I'm just imagining you, like, icing people at the Americana at the movie.

[Chris Ryan]

But you were like, I iced all of our 22 year.

[Sean Fennessey]

I climb over the seats, and I suppose.

[Chris Ryan]

You'Re the Great Uniter, and then.

[Sean Fennessey]

A fucking xenomorph jumps out of a guy's chest.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You should. You should.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it would be better if you were more like the Joker, you know, where you're just showing up places and, like, playing pranks, you know, just setting people up.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Is there any part of you that Is confusing this with the ice bucket challenge. Did you. And you did that. I remember when you did it. You did it stark naked, right? And you did it. Was it at a. Was it at the Iron Bowl? Stark naked at the 50 yard line?

[Sean Fennessey]

Why are you doing it? Okay, Amanda, did you pick anything?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No. I have a choice.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay?

[Amanda Dobbins]

And like I said, I was gonna do the nice thing. I mean. Cause I could just. I could do licorice pizza. But that is mean. And I am gonna leave it for you. And so in Blockbuster, I'll do a very unmanned thing. Cause it is a weird year. And I will take Spider man no way home.

[Chris Ryan]

You could make the case that that's a worse thing that you did than take licorice pizza.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Cause now he's gotta take it like Shang chi.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right? But I mean, compete, you know, compete.

[Chris Ryan]

In the way you'd like to compete.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sorry for trying to like, give you.

[Chris Ryan]

No apology necessary. Not even a disingenuous apology.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Apology not accepted.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. The good news for you is you've just been iced.

[Sean Fennessey]

You're extremely pregnant.

[Chris Ryan]

Drink this smear, get on your knee and drink this Smirnoff ice.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I would absolutely 100% vomit and then like project a vomit on you.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But I'm at the point where I would drink it. I liked this film.

[Chris Ryan]

Has Tobey Maguire ever had a smeared off ice?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, I really apologize to Florence Pugh because I forgot it's not her. It's Marissa Tomei who's like, I don't know what you're talking about. They asked her, do you have any memorable days on set during Spider Man? And she goes, nope.

[Chris Ryan]

That's too bad. She's good in those movies.

[Sean Fennessey]

She has goodies. Nobody's doing it like her in those movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She looks amazing. Yeah, we did all see this movie together. This was nice. We were back in big ringer screening. Yeah, it was very sweet. And once again, no sorry about that.

[Chris Ryan]

Whoops.

[Sean Fennessey]

You guys are the ice fucking challenge.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it was 48 Ringer employees, but we forgot Chris. My bad.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, obviously this was a very successful movie. I feel like this is the only time that I've ever even gotten like a whiff of what it feels like to. You got emotional, to be honest, Like a Marvel fan. And you guys were like, oh. And then they brought all the people together and I was like, oh. It actually was moving when Tobey Maguire. And then Andrew Garfield showed up and he saves whoever Zendaya is playing because he couldn't save whoever MJ he samj.

[Chris Ryan]

Cause he couldn't save Gwen Stevens.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, well, I can't remember their names.

[Sean Fennessey]

And we lose Marisa Tomei in this movie, do we not? I can't remember Aunt May.

[Chris Ryan]

I've only seen this movie once.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Me too. But Alea is giving a thumbs up to the fact that we lose Aunt May, which. Okay. But I was like, oh, this is playing on nostalgia in a way that even I can access. And it was nice to be back in the movie theaters. And also, it made a shitload of money.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a very fun blockbuster. I don't want to say it's the platonic ideal of a superhero movie, but it was a good moment after two very trying years with movies. So for it to be really, truly the first big, big, big movie since COVID I think was appropriate since it gave a lot of people joy. It is definitely what I would have taken next in Blockbuster because of the scarcity there. So that means in drama, I will take licorice pizza. Is licorice pizza a comedy or a drama?

[Sean Fennessey]

I think it's a dramedy.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's so you could take it in 86.

[Sean Fennessey]

I think Bradley Cooper is very funny in this film.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, then I'll take it in comedy. If it's a comedy. If you will allow it.

[Sean Fennessey]

Let's see what Wikipedia says. The ultimate arbiter.

[Chris Ryan]

If it says dramedy, we usually let you choose in either direction. We had just had a version of this that we Talked about in 96.

[Sean Fennessey]

So you got mad American romantic comedy drama.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, in comedy, I'll be taking licorice pizza.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. I think that's beautiful.

[Chris Ryan]

This is Paul Thomas Anderson's most recent film. It's A snapshot of 1970s Southern California seen through the prism of his experience and producer Gary Goetzman, about some young hustlers who. One in particular who encounters a gal in her 20s and they start a romantic affair. You protested this movie for months because of the age gap controversy.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's such a weird bot for me.

[Chris Ryan]

You immediately stopped protesting the opening of movie theaters. Once they opened, you began protesting Paul Thomas Anderson's work publicly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I honestly was just thinking about how much money I paid to the Westwood parking officials.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Cause it was screening and a wonderful film going experience. And then a $60 parking tab. Congratulations to Westwood.

[Chris Ryan]

I did find street parking one of the three times I saw it at the Woodbine.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Did you cry when Let me Roll it played in this movie?

[Chris Ryan]

I think Amanda and I both were like, oh, like, it's like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then I like, you know, the.

[Chris Ryan]

Hair standing on our arms straight up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then let me roll out. We like, we played it to Knox, like a lot while he was still.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you ever say to Knox, Barbra Streisand Sand?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think. I think he would be really. He would respond to that too.

[Sean Fennessey]

To Jon Peters being his babysitter.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I honestly think Knox and Bradley Cooper would really get along.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Knox is a little too decent for Bradley Cooper.

[Sean Fennessey]

Wow.

[Chris Ryan]

One of my takes. He's very pure Knox. Bradley is a stormy fellow. He's got some issues. He's wonderful as Peters in this movie. Alanaheim, not made a movie since then.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is she in, I believe the Battle of Whatever the hell it's called or not Vineland, The Battle of the Bulge. It's a recreation.

[Chris Ryan]

No.

[Sean Fennessey]

What's the. It's like the Batter of Something Heights or the Battle of Something Hills.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I saw the reported title. I'm sure we'll know what it is by the time this actually airs. But I don't know if that's the actual title of the movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

Isn't she in that?

[Chris Ryan]

Is she? That makes sense. That would make sense. Cooper Hoffman, terrific in this movie. Really liked what he's been up to. Did you guys see Wildcat? I was just talking to somebody about this. The Ethan Hawke directed movie about Flannery O'Connor?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, my parents did and they like hung out with Ethan Hawke in Atlanta afterwards.

[Chris Ryan]

No shit.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. I was like, this sounds great.

[Chris Ryan]

That's fun.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I wasn't crazy about it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know, because I think he was like, going, you know, doing the road tour. No, I think this is one of the times in the last five years my dad was like, sure, I'll go see a movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Was it because it's Flannery O'Connor? Like, was there like a special, like, Georgia experience with that movie?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know. I mean, they just went to a screening where he did a Q and A afterwards. I'm exaggerating it, but I'm just wondering.

[Chris Ryan]

Why he was there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, Atlanta is the filmmaking capital of the Southeast.

[Chris Ryan]

That's great. Here's the world's second smallest donut.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I wish we had donuts right now.

[Chris Ryan]

That would have been nice.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was honestly. Or Smirnoff Ice. I was thinking about, like, if we could have Dairy Queen delivered.

[Sean Fennessey]

I mean, I don't think it would have the same charm.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, it's true.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's also like in Temecula I know.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's really tough.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you remember when we went to Palm Springs and then on the way home we got Sonic and then we just, like, had, like, a psychotic meltdown. That was pretty good. It's good. I drank, like, some giant green drink.

[Sean Fennessey]

We had, like, 42, like, potato puffs.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. It was like, more taquitos. It's an interesting day. Licorice pizza. Great movie. I brought up Wildcat because Cooper Hoffman, in the telling of a Good man is hard to find. Plays the salesman in that story.

[Sean Fennessey]

And he's really good, isn't he, In Saturday Night.

[Chris Ryan]

And he's inside.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And you've now seen Saturday night and devoted 10 episodes to it.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And pleased to announce Jason Reitman is third chair on the Big Picture. It's exciting times replacing Amanda. It's just me, C.R. and Jason and Junior every week.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did you see the John Mulaney clip with the fake Saturday? What is. What a special person.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, my take on that is. But carrying water for Big Lauren.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. Oh, yeah, that's fine with me.

[Chris Ryan]

Protecting Papa. You know, Gotta watch on a show produced by Papa.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, the Seth Meyer show. Convenient. Okay, got it. You gotta have some distance and some closeness to the material.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

So you put that in comedy. I'm just gonna keep track of these.

[Chris Ryan]

My next pick. An Oscar nominee. I'll be taking west side Story.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Steven Spielberg's masterful recreate. Remake. I guess it's a remake.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Of the legendary 1960 musical, which is one of the most virtuosically made movies in his career. And another movie that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, I thought you were saying that about the original.

[Chris Ryan]

I mean, they both are. They're both amazing, but in completely different ways. And there is some revisionist history like. Oh, I didn't realize, but I remember at the time you and I were both really, really enthusiastic.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Was absolutely blown away by it. And I was on my top five of the year. And I remember just feeling overwhelmed. I mean, I love the original west side Story. Well. And Hollywood musicals. And it gets all of it.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. First 15 minutes, too, is a masterclass in.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's great.

[Chris Ryan]

Reinventing the way. That's so good. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

And Ariel Dubose is really good in this.

[Chris Ryan]

She is. And she won an Academy Award for her performance. Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

So those are my two picks. PTA and Steven Spielberg in a Covid year.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You got a Spider man movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, it's true. I think I'm going to add to that glory.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, you taking eternals in drama?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I'm just trying to decide whether you're gonna take really anything for me.

[Chris Ryan]

At this point, aside from your dignity.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And maybe you'll take a couple of mine as well. I would have liked to have west side.

[Sean Fennessey]

I think once we get off five of these things, it's like, basically, go with your heart. Personal preference.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I kind of just want to go with my heart anyway, so I think it's going to be okay. It's things like some categories are thinner than others, I guess. In action, horror, thriller. I know. Well, I'm trying to decide.

[Sean Fennessey]

I was just. If you were. Just go ahead.

[Chris Ryan]

You're taking Benedetta.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, my God. You remember.

[Chris Ryan]

It's one of our best pods.

[Sean Fennessey]

My mom was like, what movie? I was home with my mom and she was like, what movie are you podcasting about? And I said, benedetta. And she was like, do you want to watch it with me? And I was like, absolutely not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I honestly.

[Chris Ryan]

You're stumped.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, it's awkward to be the middle person, you know, strategy wise.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I, like, I was not gonna draft no Time to Die, but now I'm like, should I? But I haven't thought about it since, really.

[Chris Ryan]

So I wonder if I've been less likely maybe. I don't know if this is true for you. Less likely to return to any of these movies because they were seen in such strange circumstances.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's what I was saying is that. Well, for me, it's actually weirdly like the opposite, where, you know, a lot of these movies immediately went into cable rotation and we're on streaming, so I feel like I watch them piecemeal or I watch them one and a half or two and a quarter times, but I actually wound up having some favorites because of that style of watching. Things I've not revisited. No Time to Die.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But then my other pick is a movie that is, like, great until the end, and it's not great. So.

[Chris Ryan]

Go with your heart.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know what my heart is telling me.

[Chris Ryan]

Go with your head.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know what my head is telling me either.

[Chris Ryan]

Go with your gallbladder.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know where that is right now. Okay, Maybe I just don't need to do that category right now because I have some other options. You know what? You have somewhere to be. Can I help you? You need to make it to Breadwood.

[Sean Fennessey]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's like you give away another organ.

[Sean Fennessey]

You keep taking me up to the edge of. Maybe you're going to take it and I'm like, yes and then or no. Right? And then. And then you pull back and so, like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So should I do it?

[Sean Fennessey]

This. No. This is just make is rattling me. Like I feel like I'm watching my life flash.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I know, but I didn't feel like you are. You have like, a lot of stakes and no time to die.

[Sean Fennessey]

I. Maybe I do and maybe I don't, but it's like the suspense is you.

[Chris Ryan]

Try to throw us off the scent by saying it wasn't very good when frankly, Amanda and I liked it. And you tried to other us on this podcast.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, you guys are really. You're killing it by loving, trapping. No time to die. You guys are just the peak of cinematic falling. Caleb saluting you in action.

[Chris Ryan]

No, no. Sincere movie watchers, you know, I am a sincere fellow and willing to meet the movie on its own terms.

[Sean Fennessey]

No Time to lie. That's the C.R. bond movie.

[Chris Ryan]

No Time to Lie. Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's about a film critic who just.

[Chris Ryan]

Tells the truth, but he's James Bond to kill. That would be an interesting rebrand if they just cast like that is actually.

[Sean Fennessey]

Sounds like what they.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I guess. Okay, I'm just do something really weird that makes no sense. But I'm going to go to comedy because I really only have one comedy. That's not true. Because I remembered that Worst person in the world could technically count as a comedy, but I mean, it's not exactly uplifting. Instead, I'm going to do Shiva Baby.

[Sean Fennessey]

Hey.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that was on my list. I thought it might be on your list. Yeah. Which is the debut of Emma Seligman. And I think the first time I saw both Rachel Sennett and Molly Gordon, so. And it's also a very funny, if awkward movie in its own right.

[Chris Ryan]

I love it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But just kind of. You remember where you were when you encountered the work of all these people.

[Chris Ryan]

You did not see yeah. Life of The Party, the 2019 movie starring Melissa McCarthy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. I remember seeing that 2018 movie. I remember seeing that. And I was like, who's that? And it was Molly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Molly Gordon. Yeah. I mean, maybe. Let's see. Let me click. Maybe I had seen her before, but I remember watching this movie and being like, oh, that person. And now she is just. Now they're both just partying with Charli XCX at Tenants of the Trees. And they didn't invite me.

[Chris Ryan]

They really. They made it. Those two just made it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, my birthday is two days apart from Charlie's.

[Sean Fennessey]

You almost went in the sense That I went to Gelson's that night while it was happening.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I guess we'd seen. I mean, you were there. I think people were pretty there. I guess Molly Gordon was.

[Chris Ryan]

Are you wandering into the Charlie Eggsy X parties by yourself holding a bag of Gelson's?

[Sean Fennessey]

No offense, but in some ways I'm cooler than everybody in that party.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow.

[Sean Fennessey]

I am. I am.

[Chris Ryan]

Keep going.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Go ahead.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm not stopping you.

[Sean Fennessey]

Taste wise. The shit I rock with, it's pretty cool. You know what I mean?

[Chris Ryan]

So you're better than us because you didn't like Trap, but you're also better than Charlie XCX and Rachel Sennett because you shop at Gelson's.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is there a cooler supermarket? Is there a more brat supermarket?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I do think it's cooler to park at the Gelson's than at the Trader Joe's. If you're going to Texas, I can't.

[Chris Ryan]

Park in that Trader Joe's.

[Sean Fennessey]

I do park at Gelson's to go to Trader Joe's, but I respect Gelson's enough to always buy something at Gelson's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I have actually called the Gelson security on you a couple of times. And you've done that. And I can't believe your car hasn't been towed yet.

[Sean Fennessey]

And they're like, we would tow him, but he just iced us and we're hammered.

[Chris Ryan]

You found the one way to neutralize the police. You just. Guys just got ice.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Molly Gordon was in book smart. So I hadn't seen her before, but you know, whatever. I enjoy this film.

[Chris Ryan]

If you haven't seen it, it's really good. Emma Seligman was on the show for the movie. Actually really enjoyed it. Good pick.

[Sean Fennessey]

Sierra, you're up for Oscar nominee. I will do one of the best movies of the decade. The greatest work of art by Guillermo del Toro.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow.

[Sean Fennessey]

Nightmare Allen.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Are you serious? Wow.

[Sean Fennessey]

I love this film. This is an incredible movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's like.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, good, good. Go ahead.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't think that. I didn't think that I was going to lose you to carnivals.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, it's not about carnivals.

[Chris Ryan]

That's right.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's about the darkness inside of the American heart.

[Chris Ryan]

The mind. Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

All barkers.

[Chris Ryan]

What lurks in the heart of man?

[Sean Fennessey]

What an incredible film.

[Chris Ryan]

Thank you, Chris. Thanks for saying so. Of course. I agree with you.

[Sean Fennessey]

Maybe my favorite Bradley Cooper performance.

[Chris Ryan]

He's very, very good in this movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

But easily my favorite. Guillermo del Toro. What movie? Aren't you kind of on the same page?

[Chris Ryan]

It's Very good. I'm a huge fan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And this is one where I, like, I watch it at home. And. And once again, carnies aren't really my bag.

[Chris Ryan]

It's all about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's.

[Chris Ryan]

It's only about that for, like, 20 minutes at the beginning and 20 minutes at the end.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like, there's, like, a lot of stuff. It's a Guillermo del Toro movie. Okay. He's like, sure, yeah. Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a con man movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, like, all the mirrors in Cate Blanchett's office or whatever looked very cool. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's obviously good. It's the best Bradley Cooper performance.

[Sean Fennessey]

Well, what's better?

[Chris Ryan]

Wedding Crashers?

[Sean Fennessey]

I'd like to see stars. I'd like to see if that character had to stretch out as much as Vince Vaughn did, you know?

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. Hangover Part three?

[Sean Fennessey]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

American Sniper.

[Chris Ryan]

Just let it sit there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Burnt One day. You should come with Plastic baby to one of these.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie?

[Sean Fennessey]

Can I still do that? And then I'm like, oh, new mom, right?

[Chris Ryan]

I know.

[Sean Fennessey]

It'S crazy. What about. What did you ask?

[Chris Ryan]

Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie with Chris Pine, Bradley Cooper, briefly, in that. This is a hilarious cameo.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, he's small and the chair is big.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a good bit. It's a really good bit.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay. Anyway, anyway, Nightmare Alley, I thought one of my favorite endings of a movie in quite some time, even since. And I often don't vibe with the more sort of creature feature parts of Guillermo del Toro stuff. It's not really up to my taste. And horror, like, that kind of gothic style that he has. But I really love this film. And really, I really felt like. It's very prescient, as many people have pointed out, but it was like the idea of constantly trying to scratch and claw your way to higher levels of success and fame, no matter what.

[Chris Ryan]

And you feel that you now more deeply understand that because of where you've gotten to your career.

[Sean Fennessey]

I clawed myself to third chair, didn't I?

[Chris Ryan]

And look at all the spoils you get to enjoy. For example, Amanda's Crying Festival over here. We're on tier 1000, so I'll take classic baby.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's just like, they didn't get a real baby. That's so crazy. That movie made, like, $500 million.

[Chris Ryan]

It did.

[Sean Fennessey]

So I think that this concludes this podcast. Folded titles.

[Chris Ryan]

I disagree.

[Sean Fennessey]

The hottest names in cinema, the films everyone's talking about. And now we get to the ones that I'm talking about.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

The film that I have. I was about to make a very sincere.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I know, but I'm just imagining Clint Eastwood being like, fire. This baby. It's crying, just bringing up.

[Chris Ryan]

Is that what happened? Is that the story?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Probably.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Clint's like, I got two minutes for this scene. Chris baby's kind of nailing it.

[Chris Ryan]

Reared back and was like, I'm doing Casey Kasem here. We were talking about the cinema for everybody, and now we're talking about my cinema. And my pick is gonna be. And then we started crying again.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, cinema, cinema.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm going to take.

[Chris Ryan]

What'd you see? About 11 movies this year.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's not ready. I get in trouble for crying.

[Sean Fennessey]

I saw like dozens of movies.

[Chris Ryan]

You seem a little stumped.

[Sean Fennessey]

No, because I know that I'm going to go with my heart and you're going to be like, I would never. So drama. I'm taking no sudden move. Steven Soderbergh's film with Don Cheadle and Benicio Del Toro and Kieran Culkin and the great Julia Fox and others. I won't spoil any.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you see the great Julia Fox? I did. Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

She's wonderful in this film.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yep, she's good, isn't it?

[Sean Fennessey]

This is a great noir caper, period piece about corporate espionage and kidnapping. It's just an awesome taught thriller that I think really fell on deaf ears and eyes. When it first came out on Max, it was like had like three days in like the blogosphere, like in anyone commenting on it. I've watched this movie multiple times. I think it's incredible. Really. One of the best scripted Soderbergh's in his sort of recent Max straight to streamer run. And I just. I love this movie. I know it was in no danger of being taken out from under me, but I just thought I would grab drama now.

[Chris Ryan]

Good pick. I think I just forgot to add this to my long list, but I.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It was on my list. Yeah, but this is more of just everybody gets what I know.

[Sean Fennessey]

And I just feel like I always pick Steven Sorberg movies when we were doing around this era. Like, I think I grab let them all talk.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, you did.

[Chris Ryan]

And maybe next year you can grab Kimmy.

[Sean Fennessey]

And I think I picked what was the Panama Papers one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah, you did the Laundromat.

[Sean Fennessey]

So like, I'm always here for Stephen.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, me too.

[Chris Ryan]

On this day in August, I posted a photograph of a Blu Ray that I was sent of Mr. Brooks and the first guy who replied wrote, can you Please let me send you my VHS copy of Steven Soderbergh's Kafka. I promise it'll be worth it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Great picks. I still don't know what to do about action horror thriller, you know?

[Sean Fennessey]

What's your problem there?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I just. I don't know which one to take.

[Chris Ryan]

It'd be awesome if you could hem and haw about it for another 20 minutes.

[Sean Fennessey]

Did you see. Can I Give her a hint?

[Amanda Dobbins]

More about the plastic baby?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, hem and haw, maybe.

[Sean Fennessey]

So did you not see very many horror movies? Because you were like, no, thank you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I don't really see that.

[Sean Fennessey]

Sometimes you'll go see or you'll listen to a subscribe one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's true. And I have seen some recently that were.

[Sean Fennessey]

There's one here about a woman that I thought you might be interested in.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is it a Taylor Sheridan movie about a woman?

[Sean Fennessey]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, which one was that?

[Sean Fennessey]

It's. Well, there's one starring Rebecca Hall.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A horror movie?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, I didn't see that, did I?

[Chris Ryan]

It's a significant part of big picture lore because it's the film that I watched the night that my daughter was born.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, right, right, right, right.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's so weird. Why didn't you just go to sleep?

[Chris Ryan]

I wanted to watch a movie. I had a screener. It was expiring.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, that's. And they definitely wouldn't have extended the screener for you.

[Sean Fennessey]

I saw this film at Sundance. At the time, Sean was contracting the first case of COVID in the United States.

[Amanda Dobbins]

None of the rest of us got it.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, I know.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I just don't think that it was Covid.

[Chris Ryan]

But how did you not get what I had? That's the other thing. Like, I had something. I'd never been so sick in my life.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I know.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know. That was tough.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Chris Ryan]

The Night House is the name of the movie you're describing. Maybe I'll draft it later. Awesome movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

Awesome movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. I guess I'll just keep doing things that I care about and maybe someone else can make the decision for me.

[Chris Ryan]

So you just described drafting.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, not always. Sometimes I like to. It's rare that I am indecisive in these things. I'm like, I don't know what to do.

[Chris Ryan]

That's true.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's rare in life.

[Chris Ryan]

You think it's because you're on the doorstep of birth? What do you think? What's the reason for that?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I think that is one of my features. Is that I know what I want.

[Chris Ryan]

I totally agree with that. But I'm saying, why do you think you're indecisive now?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Because there aren't. I'm choosing between not great options and I'm making the argument against myself. And again, this is like a strange strategic place to be because I don't think you're going to take any of my other guys. But maybe.

[Chris Ryan]

You never know.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'll be really upset if you do. So I guess I'll just take what I want. So in drama, I'll take the Souvenir Part two, which was a foregone conclusion, but is one of my.

[Sean Fennessey]

Why do we take so long to get there? This is just one of you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, because I was. I don't know, like, I'm trying to take the movies that are in contention. I don't know whether Souvenir Part 2 is like a deeply Amanda movie or just like a partially Amanda movie I know you also love.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is it more Amanda than Trap?

[Chris Ryan]

I prefer Part one if I think about it. I don't know if I've really thought about it too much, but I think I've seen part one twice. Part two only once.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I really like the project. So, I mean, part one was like the revelation of, oh, wow, look at this amazing thing. And it was the first Joanna Hong movie I'd ever seen. And then I since have gone back and seen all of them. But. So I agree with you that there's something, like truly exciting about it.

[Chris Ryan]

But two is good. I'm not. It's not. I'm not denigrating it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And there is like a real. Like both Souvenirs, she's are heavily autobiographical and the choices that she's making and the way that she presents her younger self, and I think some of the. Like, there is both, like generosity and also like a very wry, like, what's wrong with you? To all of them that I just find very exciting. Performances are great. I had forgotten that Harris Dickinson is in it. It's just really a who's who of tall British guys. And. Yeah, I just like these movies a lot. So I also will never forget that I went to this screening and God bless Josh, the publicist who had to announce. I was just asked. So, yes, there is in fact a Souvenir Part one.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, God.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which is an incredible. Really, really funny.

[Chris Ryan]

That's so amazing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, Josh is great.

[Chris Ryan]

That's very funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Josh is wonderful. Okay, so there we go.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, good pick.

[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Sean Fennessey]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

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[Chris Ryan]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

So be good for goodness steak. Savour a flavourful bloomin French onion sirloin if you're nice. Or sink your teeth into a sizzling 18 ounce bone in ribeye with signature spices.

[Chris Ryan]

As long as you don't owe millions in taxes causing you to flee the country and start a new life as.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A struggling Swedish dj.

[Chris Ryan]

Ya, it's me, Lars.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Enjoy Steakma season at Outback Steakhouse for a limited time. Outback Steakhouse. No rules.

[Chris Ryan]

Just right.

[Sean Fennessey]

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[Chris Ryan]

I've got comedy and I've got Oscar nominee. I'm gonna pass on Blockbuster for the time being.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

Those movies aren't getting any better, so you might as well just leave them there.

[Chris Ryan]

Agreed. In drama, I will take Judas and the Black Messiah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. I meant to ask about this because.

[Chris Ryan]

I. Oh, I do. Is it not.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's for last. The previous.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe you're right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Cause I can't remember. But I do think since they were Oscar eligible for our 2020 draft.

[Sean Fennessey]

Cause this is what I was wondering about. No, maybe not Nomadland, but there's no.

[Chris Ryan]

This is. Yeah. February 1st, 2021 for Sundance and February 12th, 20. Yeah. So it was eligible for the Oscars that transpired in 2021, right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes, Daniel Kaluuya won for the year of movies that we drafted in 2020.

[Chris Ryan]

But it was released in 2021.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, but I can't remember what we did in the 2020 draft because we might have extended it slightly.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I can find that out if you want to sit here momentarily. Judas and the Black Messiah, directed by Chaka King, starring Daniel Kaluuya and Lakeith Stanfield. Jesse Plemons, I think is now like extraordinarily underrated. At the time I was like, if this were 1997, this movie would be huge.

[Sean Fennessey]

Why does Joshua King not have another movie going.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, that was what I was just gonna say is that where is his next movie?

[Sean Fennessey]

When we were getting ready for this and I was like, oh, surely I've missed. Maybe I forgot something. And I was like, this dude is serious talent. Like, what's going on?

[Chris Ryan]

I fully agree with you. He was a guest of the show.

[Sean Fennessey]

That was a cool interview. I remember he was really cool.

[Chris Ryan]

I really liked him a lot. He was really smart and really engaging and. Yeah, I don't know. It didn't happen. So I don't think Judas and the Black Messiah was taken. Oh, no, it was taken by me. But you know where it was taken.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oscar nominee, but I don't think you can do it twice. Respectfully, I'm sorry. It's a great film.

[Sean Fennessey]

Gosh, I'd like to see you work for it a little bit.

[Chris Ryan]

Good memory by you.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah. Nice job.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't remember specifically that you drafted, but I do remember that that would.

[Chris Ryan]

Be the only category we'd be eligible in.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. That we did a little flexibility because it was such a weird year.

[Chris Ryan]

Hmm. Okay, then I won't take Judas and the Black Messiah in drama. I'll take the worst person in the world.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Another movie I loved. I think this was my second favorite movie of the year.

[Sean Fennessey]

They're reunited, making Joachim von Shura's new film Trier.

[Chris Ryan]

And Renata Rensvi, most recently seen in Presumed Innocent.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you ever watch that? Did you ever finish it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah, no, I did finish it. I finished it finally this weekend. It took me forever and like, obviously I knew exactly what was going to happen. Yeah, I, you know, I think TV shows take too long. This is a movie podcast.

[Chris Ryan]

Chris agrees with you about that show.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Don't you?

[Sean Fennessey]

I do.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, do you think it will make your best 10 shows of the year?

[Sean Fennessey]

I do not.

[Chris Ryan]

You can say that in August for sure now.

[Sean Fennessey]

I don't think so because I can think of six or seven off the top of my head so I can get it between August and December.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is that coming back this year in the fall?

[Chris Ryan]

It's September 18th.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, again, I don't. This is a movie podcast, so I don't really do TV shows.

[Chris Ryan]

But that Catherine Hun, though.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is it about grief again?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. What's the famous quote where you did the punch up on that episode of WandaVision where that quote came in? Right. Grief is just like the sole revolving.

[Sean Fennessey]

Tv, but then you listen to the watch and you're just like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Cause I like knowing what's Going on with my guys.

[Sean Fennessey]

Thanks.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, and you know, I listen to rewatchables also, so that's how I learn about your food stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

Worst person in the world nominated for best original screenplay. I remember cheering. When that happened, I was clapping. I was very happy. I really liked the screenplay. I like this story a lot. I like how the self recrimination of the Anders Danielson Lie character when he's at the end of his life and he's like, what did I do? Which is like watched cool movies and read cool books and is that all my life is. And then he died.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And I was like, well, at least I have representation on screen, you know, and I really appreciate that. Wonderful movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

So you did worst person in the world for drama.

[Chris Ryan]

I did. Got another pick. Hmm. In action horror thriller. I will take Malignant.

[Sean Fennessey]

I was waiting for this and I was wondering if Amanda had seen it.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you know about Malignant?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did you tell me about it?

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think so. So the thing with Malignant was it was also a day and date movie, very similar to what we just did with Alien Romulus, where we couldn't see the movie until basically the morning of. So we watched the movie and then came into the studio and Chris and I recorded a podcast about Malignant, which is an original horror movie from James Wan, who of course is arguably the signature voice of horror in the last 20 years, written by Akhil Cooper, who wrote Megan. And it's about. What would you say it's about?

[Sean Fennessey]

A lady with a friend.

[Chris Ryan]

A lady with a friend. Good way to put it. And I think we both were a little mystified by it and also watched it at 8:30 in the morning.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah, it was tough. It was a wrong time to see it.

[Chris Ryan]

And then I rewatched it like a couple weeks later after many people who I trust were like, you're way off base. Cause we were like, this is cool. It's fine, it's okay. It feels flawed. And then rewatched it again at night and was like, oh, I see. I was off on this for sure. This is really fun and crazy and chaotic and beautiful and I like it a lot. Annabelle Wallace, great performance as the lead. This movie totally got buried by the straight to streaming thing. It has a culty following.

[Sean Fennessey]

I think it could have like, if you imagine putting it out in the summer of Long Legs, the summer of Romulus, you know, like could have really done some stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

I think there's a world where 10 years from now, it's like there's Rep screenings, and the cast is reuniting, and it's a really crazy, fun movie. So that's my horror pick.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay, so those are your two.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Amanda, you're up.

[Sean Fennessey]

Mandy, you're up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. I made a. I made a strategic mistake. And that's okay because, you know, we're all imperfect, and I really needed to focus on the plastic baby. I could have taken what I'm going to take an Oscar nominee, an action horror thriller. But I don't have a better Oscar nominee now because I just googled a bunch and learned that French Dispatch was not nominated for a single Oscar.

[Chris Ryan]

It's tough.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That is tough. So in Oscar nominee, I will take the Lost Daughter, which is technically a thriller, but this is Maggie Gyllenhaal's adaptation of the Elena Ferrante novel, starring Olivia Coleman, Dakota Johnson, Jesse Buckley, Paul Mescal, Sars Gard, Dagmera Dominick. Like, everyone shows up. I really like this movie. I think I like this movie more than any Elena Ferrante novel that I've actually read, even though I do think they're great. But it's a great work of both adaptation and translation.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And brings, like, the feeling that you get reading these novels. It's just kind of like, why are. Like. But why are you doing this? But I'm still sort of completely sucked in by you, and I want to know why you're doing this. Obviously, like, a great, you know, off the wall, Olivia Colman performance, as they All Are. And another thing where it was, like, released late in the year and I think sort of underseen, but if you haven't. If you haven't checked it out, very worthwhile.

[Chris Ryan]

I was a big fan as well. Very good. And her next movie will be a Bride of Frankenstein movie. How do you feel about that?

[Sean Fennessey]

It's fine. I'm not a really big Frankenstein person.

[Chris Ryan]

But that's cool because you don't want to have to think about God's role.

[Sean Fennessey]

In creation, you know, I don't really go for the Universal monster verse stuff like that Stuff's never really either scared me or interested me as, like, stories. So, like, all the Mummy, Frankenstein, even, like, bad camp Dracula stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

You're saying Bela Lugosi's Dracula's camp.

[Sean Fennessey]

Just anything where he's got, like, the slick, slick hair, pointy chin, and he's like, ooh, I come to sock your blood. That stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a shame.

[Sean Fennessey]

Like, Nosferatu, Gary Oldman, Bram Stoker. Yes. You know, Lothario vampire.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You'll Be in Nosferatu Countdown at this point.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Something tells me I will have already seen it by the time this posts.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. But I just mean in creating an atmosphere for this podcast. Sorry to help you with your job.

[Chris Ryan]

You didn't help me at all.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

You went from being, like, kind of trying to have fun and be nice earlier, and you're, like, being super mean to the pregnant lady.

[Chris Ryan]

What was mean? What did I say? That was mean.

[Sean Fennessey]

You didn't help me at all.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I was trying to hype you up for the frustration, man. You've been waiting all year for it. December20.

[Chris Ryan]

I will have already seen.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, Christmas is in the air. I'm like, you want to get a little countdown now going on the bottom of the screen this many days to Nosferatukula. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe we should do a. I think you should. A countdown clock.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You could do a little Advent calendar, but for Nosferatu. And it's all your weird shit.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. What weird shit? These are the stories that people love. Except for Chris. Who doesn't like Bela Lugosi's Dracula? I don't. Todd Browning's Dracula. Come on, bro. Such a disappointment to me sometimes. I think. I think you're up.

[Sean Fennessey]

Did you get Chagall?

[Amanda Dobbins]

What did you pick?

[Sean Fennessey]

No. Did you just go?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

What did you pick?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I picked the Lost Daughter and I talked about adaptation.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'll be completely honest with you guys. In comedy, I'm going against the grain, against the wind, and I'm taking House of Gucci.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I rewatched it last night, and honestly, if I didn't get Chipa Baby, I was going to put it in.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's very, very, very funny. I think I laughed louder out loud in my seat.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is my competition. This is also, like, I don't. Gladiator 2 is out in the world now, which means no matter what, we've had another Ridley discourse, which is like, to quote Sir Ridley himself, in spirit, if not in actuality, like, go fuck yourselves. Ridley's great at making movies.

[Sean Fennessey]

I completely agree.

[Chris Ryan]

He cooked through the alien Romulus.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Amazing.

[Sean Fennessey]

What do you think about the rumor that Paul Thomas Anderson rewrote Napoleon for Joaquin Phoenix?

[Chris Ryan]

I buy it a million percent.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The boat's line and also the lamb chop is my divine right.

[Chris Ryan]

Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon. Why two movies that he is reported to have either ghost written or done a heavy polish on. Two movies about dumb guys ensorceled by beautiful women that lead them to making catastrophic mistakes in their life. This is the Paul Thomas Anderson signature.

[Sean Fennessey]

But does it matter that Napoleon was not a great film?

[Chris Ryan]

I like it. I think it's good.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

It's not great, but it's good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I like House of Gucci. I like Napoleon.

[Sean Fennessey]

I like them. I think we all wanted more from Napoleon, did we not?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, it could have been better.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Why would that four hour thing.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know.

[Sean Fennessey]

I know. I was just asking about this.

[Chris Ryan]

It got rated, right? So we know it exists.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Hopefully soon. Would you actually watch it in full? Because you never watch the Kingdom of Heaven one in full, right? No, but would you like Napoleon and Kingdom of Heaven are kind of similar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Yeah, because it's just like a lot more battle sequences, but.

[Chris Ryan]

And it's just like. There's something great here, but it's not great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They cut out a lot of Josephine stuff, so. I like Vanessa Kirby. Yeah, exactly.

[Sean Fennessey]

That's right. They must have. Why would she have done that movie to be, like, in two scenes?

[Chris Ryan]

I think she's very good. I think that movie's a little misunderstood. I think a lot of people were thrown off because Joaquin is doing a very weird Joaquin thing. And if you had just cast. Who's the right actor to even make this reference about. I don't even know who's. Who's a 30 something British or French actor who would be an interesting casting as Napoleon right now? Help me out.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I know, but, like, this is kind.

[Chris Ryan]

Of a good game.

[Sean Fennessey]

Way too old, I think, at the time. Like, would Taron Edgerton be in the Conversation? No, too young, too.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like a short, blustery Brit.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I guess so. But I mean, Napoleon wasn't British, so there's some conflict there.

[Chris Ryan]

He wasn't from California either. But, you know, Ridley didn't seem to care about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that's true.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a good game. I can't think of anybody off the top of my head, but there's gotta be somebody out there who's like a little bit rumpled but a little bit defiant.

[Sean Fennessey]

Jeremy Allen White.

[Chris Ryan]

What if he was Napoleon as Wolverine?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Would you. Would you be into that?

[Sean Fennessey]

Anyway, so I'll take House of Gucci. The Jared Leto, Al Pacino stuff in that movie is so fucking funny. Even if Adam Driver is like, I am in a tortured young man movie. And then what to do with horror, because it's a great horror year in terms of, like, it being satisfying. Like, it was like. I think I felt like once or twice a month there was a new, like, weird streaming horror thing to watch with my buddy. My Partner in Scarce. Sean Fenisty. Or my wife, who also loves Scarce.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I thought that was going to be a Phoebe and scary.

[Sean Fennessey]

So why don't I. I'll just take one that I happen to love. I'm going to grab Paranormal Activity. Next of kin.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Underrated.

[Sean Fennessey]

Which is about a woman who's going to look for her biological family in Amish country.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. This movie honestly rocked.

[Sean Fennessey]

It's William Eubake.

[Chris Ryan]

I fired it up on Paramount from.

[Sean Fennessey]

The direct land of bad.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And underwater.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah. Honestly. Truly one of my favorite directors of this decade.

[Chris Ryan]

He has not lost yet.

[Sean Fennessey]

She's in Amish country, and then she finds all these letters from her mom being like, don't come here. And then the Amish people are in a cult and there's a demon.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, okay.

[Sean Fennessey]

But it's really well done.

[Chris Ryan]

If you had to guess, how many Paranormal Activity movies have there been?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Seven.

[Chris Ryan]

There have been exactly seven. This was the seventh and the last one to come along.

[Sean Fennessey]

Wow. No. And since haven't they done a reboot? So wouldn't there be eight?

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think so.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, maybe that was insidious. I'm thinking of, in any case, Paranormal Activity next of kin for my horror. So that's. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

When is our Land of Bad pod?

[Sean Fennessey]

The day she gives birth.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Live stream. We explain Land of Bad to Amanda and her new child.

[Sean Fennessey]

So he's a drone pilot.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, Amanda, you've got to pick.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All right. I finally resolved my inner conflict in action horror thriller. I'm just going to take no time to die. Which as I was rereading all the people who were in it, I was like, oh, yeah, I liked this. And I liked this again, the whole Rami Malek plot. I don't know what that was about.

[Sean Fennessey]

But I did like the 50% of the movie. Right. So the first 10 minutes, a large part of the end.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What does happen? Oh, yeah, he's.

[Sean Fennessey]

They're in, like, a North Korean missile bunker.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right, right, right. And he's like, I need to find it. And Lea Sedu was like, there's a.

[Sean Fennessey]

Lot of stuff with poison flowers. Right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah. But, you know, the beginning is good. Le Sedoux looks great throughout. She's wonderful. I like Christophe Waltz. I like Daniel Craig.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you just. You just pronounced Christoph Waltz like Jared Leto in House of Gucci Waltz.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That. When I was watching it, just. It's amazing how Jeremy Irons literally is just being Jeremy Irons. And then he'll just add, like, you know, a like on every fifth Line, like the most. But he looks so beautiful in all the scarves, so it doesn't really.

[Chris Ryan]

Jeremy Irons and I have brought with me my passport.

[Amanda Dobbins]

My room. Jerry Irons was in the Beekeeper?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You think you'll draft the beekeeper in three years?

[Sean Fennessey]

I think it'll be the last pod we ever do because Sean and I will beat the shit out of each other for the right to draft the beekeeper.

[Chris Ryan]

Where is it? In my top 20 of the year so far. Is it in my top 20? I think it is. I think it is. I added it because I felt like I. You know, I keep a best of running. Best of that. I keep private. On letterboxd. You guys can't see it, but I added it, like, two months ago.

[Sean Fennessey]

Because.

[Chris Ryan]

I remembered how much. How much fun I had seeing it.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Bobby Wagner and I, we saw it together. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And the whole time I was hooting and hollering, I was like, this is just so fun. And then I think I might have told the story in the pod, went home, fired up letterbox to log it, and Bob had already logged in and gave it one star.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And I was like, you goddamn son of a. How could you do this? I gave it three stars.

[Sean Fennessey]

Maybe. I don't think Bobby appreciated the way it lionized the defense community.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. I mean, if they finally told us about the Beekeeper society, we needed to.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Know, are they doing a sequel? And is Minnie Driver still alive in that universe to be a part of it? She is.

[Sean Fennessey]

I mean, she's still there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

I didn't see her whole table manners episode, so I don't know if she's aware that she was in the Beekeeper. It felt like a real, like, pick up the phone and say this side and then you're done.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Who did she throw under the bus for his surfing etiquette?

[Sean Fennessey]

Diplo.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Oh, that's so good. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

David Aaron, Jason Statham are at work on another film right now.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

The name of that film is Levon's Trade.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, what is his trade?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, you'll have to find out because this film was co written by Sylvester Stallone. Wow.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you think he'll name your child Levon?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes, that's it.

[Chris Ryan]

And he shall be Levi.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

You predicted it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Congratulations.

[Chris Ryan]

That's. That's my favorite song.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay, it's Jon's turn.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I've got two picks. Well, I've got to take a blockbuster, and so, of course, I'm taking Venom. Let there Be Carnage, which I just thought Was delightful. And it was directed by Andy Serkis, chaotically at best. Really enjoyed everything he had to say on the podcast. He came on and he was just like the most energetic and charming person. Unrelated but related. I was looking at the for you on X.com today and I was served a video of Andy Serkis on Stephen Colbert reading Donald Trump tweets in the Gollum voice. And it was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And he got up and he was standing on the chair so he was like golem sized. You get. You're. You're not, you're not, you're not.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm actually thinking about what was on my for you. And it was hocked to a girl at the Mets because I watched that Salacata clip and then hawked to a girl threw out the first pitch at a Mets game.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

And they lost. And then she did a press conference after.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, oh, I saw the press conference and people were mad about the press conference. Let's see what's on my for you right now.

[Chris Ryan]

Like all of these chaotic 48 year old talk radio hosts in New York were like so scandalized by this. But then it also was revealed that she did it to raise money for like a dog shelter. And it's like her cause and she's like using her 15 minutes to save dogs. And I'm like, everybody just relax. We don't have to moralize about the hawk to a girl anymore than has already been moralized. You know, like Chris is in a meaningful, committed relationship with her. It's great. Like there's no problem with everything that she's doing.

[Sean Fennessey]

I could have been December. I had gotten a divorce.

[Chris Ryan]

And it.

[Sean Fennessey]

Was like I was like, her name talked to Orion was my new wife. And we just had a dog show.

[Chris Ryan]

Mom, dad, this is my wife. Hock Tua. By the way, when this episode comes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Out, I just like, whatever happened with her, like whatever's come out since then, whatever she said, whatever happened to the.

[Sean Fennessey]

Mets, whatever she said, she's either gonna.

[Chris Ryan]

Be in Kamala's cabinet or she's gonna be like, you know, at Sing Sing, you know, she's like been imprisoned for all of her crimes. She seems like a nice person. I have nothing to say about her. I wish you guys a lot of happiness together. So Venom, let there be carnage. Very normal. Pick there.

[Sean Fennessey]

Hey Hogtua, have you seen Bear on.

[Chris Ryan]

Kids? You should be asking her, have you seen licorice pizza?

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's true.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is the age difference.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Oh, jeez.

[Chris Ryan]

You can negotiate the gap, right? No.

[Sean Fennessey]

What, you think Amanda's going to protest the relationship?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I would take Phoebe's side on that.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you just say happily married?

[Sean Fennessey]

Happily married.

[Chris Ryan]

It's good. Let me clear that up. I'm sure the listeners appreciate it. In Wild Card, I'm taking Velvet Underground. What do you think?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Isn't avid big pictures?

[Chris Ryan]

Probably. Probably a big fan. She's da Bob. You think she's ever heard one of your pods?

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm just laughing. I'm just. Can you imagine if she was like, God, I love this pod. It's a way for me to get away from it all when I'm doing.

[Chris Ryan]

Dishes, you know, on a long walk. But I've got a road trip. There's nothing I like more than firing up the watch.

[Sean Fennessey]

I have a real letter box, not just hawk to a girl. You know, I love the French Dispatch.

[Chris Ryan]

More of a sports card nonsense listener, I would imagine.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, God.

[Chris Ryan]

In Wild Card, I'm taking Velvet Underground, Todd Haynes documentary right in my eyes.

[Sean Fennessey]

Cause, you know, I got that, Didn't I take that at auction one year and then also named it my best film of 2021.

[Chris Ryan]

Have you both cried this much in, like, decades?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Cause I watched Father of the Bride while pregnant recently.

[Chris Ryan]

But what happens at the end of that movie?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, my God. She calls in the airport. Like, you wouldn't cry now if you watch the scene, she's like, hey, dad, just want to tell you that I love you. Oh, and he's in the perfect house. And.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I only cried this year at the movie Imaginary, about the little girl named Alice with her imaginary doll.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Chauncey, you're not my friend.

[Chris Ryan]

It's really important that we have this document.

[Sean Fennessey]

You finally losing the thread.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. Which Amanda has committed to memory. She's quoting it openly six months there, but he's imagine.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

Okay, wait, so, Sean, you drafted Velvet Underground and Velvet Underground. Do you wanna speak on it?

[Chris Ryan]

It's a brilliant reinvention of the music documentary form. Todd Haynes takes it apart and puts it back together. Gets some people to participate who are members of the band and a lot of people who are in the surrounding worlds, obviously. That's the band that everyone says launched thousands of Amy Talvin, Amy Talbin talking about being her cool life in the 60s and being, I'm not afraid to say it frankly, incredibly hot. And that was jarring to learn. But it's just a very dynamic movie where you can see, like, a lot of the handmade gestures that hands is deploying to put you back into that time period.

[Sean Fennessey]

Incredible. It's like the dueling frames of, like, the Kael side and the Reed side.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, you get an image of Chauncey.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All the little signs I'm gonna put on your lawn when you marry Hawk to a girl in protest. Like, a ton of little.

[Sean Fennessey]

All the feedback. Nevertheless.

[Amanda Dobbins]

BB Persistent. It honestly sounds contagious.

[Sean Fennessey]

It is. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's my pick. And I was gonna.

[Sean Fennessey]

Like, I was in the middle of dapping him up. John Kale and Blue Reed, the two ways of approaching art.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think Hock Tua saw his Velvet Underground doc? You think she thought it was, like, a meaningful representation of their story?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. I mean, I. I don't even know. I was going to do a whole big emotional speech about Come On, Come on, which is my wild card, which is a wonderful, wonderful Mike Mills movie starring Joaquin Phoenix, who plays the uncle of a young kid and whose parents are going through it. And so Joaquin and the young kid, you know, form a bond. And I think I saw this movie, like, maybe a month after I found out that we were having Nox, and it just, like, absolutely bowled me over and bowled Zack over as well. Like, we saw it together, but it's beautiful. It kind of also went under the radar.

[Chris Ryan]

It really did. I think, you know, it's a movie that played in theaters, and it's actually before A24 had a distribution deal with HBO, they were still a Showtime. And I wonder if this movie went to hbo, if it would have had a chance to have more of a. Because I do feel like it's a little bit forgotten, a little bit cast aside.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, I love it. And that's it. That's all the earnest things I have to say.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, Chris, you've gotten your final pick.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm taking Card counter. We saw this together. That was pretty sick.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a great movie. Yeah, this was a good movie year.

[Sean Fennessey]

This is a really good. This movie is awesome. Oscar Isaac as a.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you relate more to Oscar Isaac's character? Tye Sheridan's character?

[Sean Fennessey]

I. Tiffany Haddish's character? Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Cool.

[Sean Fennessey]

Tiffany Haddish was in a Paul Schrader movie. That's pretty.

[Chris Ryan]

Wouldn't say she was the best part of the movie.

[Sean Fennessey]

No. But, yeah, I had a bunch of others, but this is probably my next favorite one.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think it was an accurate representation of Abu Ghraib?

[Sean Fennessey]

No, but I was going to ask you whether or not it changed your relationship to poker.

[Chris Ryan]

No, I think there's something chillingly accurate about.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you play poker or blackjack in this?

[Chris Ryan]

I think he does a bit of gambling. It's mostly poker. And it was poker that got him interested in writing the story. But, you know, the locked down, nobody talked to me. I don't know how to relate to anybody.

[Sean Fennessey]

All those sheets on his furniture, and then he tortures people and then he plays poker.

[Chris Ryan]

That's what I do every time I come in to record with Amanda. Just cover all the furniture as best as possible just to avoid the tear stains.

[Sean Fennessey]

What's. What's up now?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I just. You can still see the tear streaks.

[Chris Ryan]

I know. You're such an emotional guy.

[Sean Fennessey]

I'm not. That's why I'm laughing about Hawk 2.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm on my third pod of the day, you know, Me too.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I'm on my second. Well, how do you think we got here?

[Chris Ryan]

That's a good point. Yeah. Should we always record these later in the day after multiple pods. Shall we recap?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Chris, you want to go first?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Sean Fennessey]

In drama, I took no sudden move. In comedy, I took House of Gucci. In Oscar nominee, I took Nightmare Alley. In horror, action thriller, I took Paranormal Activity, Colon Next of Kin, remarkable pick. Blockbuster, I took Dune Wild Card, I took Card Counter.

[Chris Ryan]

Amanda, you want to recap?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure. In drama, I took The Souvenir Part 2. In comedy, I took Shiva, baby. In Oscar nominee, I took the Lost Daughter. In action, horror, thriller, after much debate, I took no time to die. In blockbuster, I took a spider man movie, no way Home. And in wild Card, I took C'mon, C'mon.

[Chris Ryan]

In drama, I took the worst person in the world. In comedy, I took licorice Pizza. In Oscar nominee, I took west side Story. In action, horror, thriller, I took Malignant. In blockbuster, I took Venom, Let there be Carnage Normal pick. In Wild Card, I took Velvet Underground documentary, do you feel me?

[Sean Fennessey]

And all do a girl's Christmas party. It was just like, see you at the movies.

[Chris Ryan]

But you're both holding Smirnoff Isis in your hand. Cheers to you on another wonderful year.

[Sean Fennessey]

Much change in the Ryan household. No, I'm kidding. And I also don't wanna be disrespectful. She's obviously. She's doing great things.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Bright, independent lady, you know?

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think she's a role model?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like I said, we have no knowledge of anything that has happened from this date until December. Whatever.

[Sean Fennessey]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I think she's literally like in the Department of Transportation in the White House right now.

[Sean Fennessey]

This will be the all time episode Topper you have to do.

[Chris Ryan]

He didn't want to Delete the last 29 minutes of the pod with some references to recently deported world class criminal Hock Tua who has been sent back to Bogota after many years of infiltrating the US government by a viral sensation. That was pretty good. I think I'm ready for it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Weird pod. I don't know what else to say. I hope you and your family are doing well at this moment in time.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know why. You'll probably be able to text you so threateningly. My Christmas party is this weekend.

[Chris Ryan]

I was gonna ask you about that. Will you be doing it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm gonna try.

[Chris Ryan]

You're just a maniac.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, so here's the thing.

[Chris Ryan]

I literally was thinking about this this weekend.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I know, but people are thinking about it and I had another friend who like two months ago was like, which weekend do you think it's gonna be? Because I like wanna plan, travel around it. And I was really moved by that.

[Chris Ryan]

This is why I was thinking about it. I was like, will I be home for the Baron Dobbins Christmas party?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I hope so if it's this week. I mean.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, okay. Oh.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Cause you guys are gonna go early.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I lead a very interesting life and I'll tell you more about it all tonight. But one, throwing a party with a child under three months. God bless. Two, putting this on the pod.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, this show has roughly 180 million listeners. There's like a lot of people, roughly, who might want, who might want to come, who might think that they should have been invited to previous parties. Like you have now just revealed that you threw up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

We've talked about the party before. It's this, it's. You know.

[Sean Fennessey]

Do you think you would invite both Phoebe and Hawk to a girl or is that gonna be weird?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm on the record, Phoebe. Yeah. And Phoebe brings the cookies.

[Chris Ryan]

That's true.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So we can't have the party without the cookies. I don't know what Hock 2 is bringing. Yeah, I can think of one thing. I think we can think of one thing.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, well, Amanda, thanks. Thanks for your efforts here on the pods, Chris.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No problem.

[Chris Ryan]

Very good job. By you as well.

[Sean Fennessey]

Is this the last pot of the year?

[Chris Ryan]

No, it's the last pod ever, coincidentally. Jesus. I'd like to thank Aleya Zaenerys and Jack Sanders for sitting there and enduring this.

[Sean Fennessey]

I can't tell. I couldn't really see Aleya's face or Jack's face because of the equipment. But there was a lot of something happening over there. They were either happy or sad.

[Chris Ryan]

They've alerted Phoebe of all the contents of this conversation. I'd like to thank Bobby Wagner, our producer, for his work on this episode. We'll see you. Let's see what I've.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I have it up. What if I plotted. Don't worry, it's a Lord of the Rings movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

But you're not one. The War of the Rohirrim.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. So who are they?

[Sean Fennessey]

Horse guys? They're the horse lords.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennessey]

They appear in the original show even though it's animated. Sean and I, every Christmas there's a hobbit movie out we go. See it.

[Chris Ryan]

Yep.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So what will you do now?

[Chris Ryan]

We ice each other.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, you're not. The next one that you want to be on it is honestly. Start the countdown. It's Nosferatu.

[Sean Fennessey]

Oh, yeah. Not my Dracula.

[Chris Ryan]

Will you be protesting Nosferatu?

[Sean Fennessey]

No, that's my Dracula.

[Chris Ryan]

That is your Dracula.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Chris and I have both been.

[Sean Fennessey]

He's the inspiration for it though.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Have been written off the complete unknown podcast for Derek to open our hearts.

[Chris Ryan]

Who has been written off of it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Both Chris and I.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, you want to be on it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

A complete unknown.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Listen, I'm the only living person who lets walk the line.

[Chris Ryan]

The person who shouldn't be on it is me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, well, we know. Let's see how it goes.

[Chris Ryan]

More and more people are asking me about a complete unknown.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

They're coming up to me and they're saying, thank you for your good works. What do you think of this Bob Dylan movie? And increasingly. Can I tell you something? I've actually been getting Alice to listen to Bob Dylan for real. And she's like, we listen to dad music now. So like we used to dance to princess songs. And now she's like, would you please play Sad Eyed lady of the Lowlands? And then she tries to dance to it, but she can't really dance to that. But I think that's like the first thing I've been like, I'm going to incept this. And it worked. We'll see how long it lasts. But that's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's beautiful.

[Chris Ryan]

So maybe she should be on. On the podcast.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I would love. I honestly think that Alice would give a great review.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, well, Chris, you're. You're welcome to any episode here if you want, but I know you have a heavy load, heavy burden that you carry because you're also alimony for your ex wife. And then hoo's lifestyle and she's come to appreciate nice things. So it's a lot to ask.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Your joint sponsorship.

[Sean Fennessey]

She's anti fast fashion.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, she's like, it's just Gucci and prada for her.

[Sean Fennessey]

No, it's like really quality vintage, you know, purchases.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, okay.

[Chris Ryan]

What does that mean? Like, you take her to secondhand stores. She has a second hand store.

[Sean Fennessey]

You take her to beacon's closet and like, anything you want under $200.

[Chris Ryan]

All right, well, thanks everybody for checking out this episode.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sa.