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Sean Fennessy
Hey, it's Bill Simmons letting you know that we are covering the White Lotus on the Prestige TV Podcast and the Ringer TV YouTube channel every Sunday night this season with Mali Rubin and Joanna Robinson.
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Amanda Dobbins
Also on Wednesdays, Rob Mahoney and I will be sort of diving deep into theories and listener questions. So you can watch that on the Ringer YouTube channel and also on the Spotify app.
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Sean Fennessy
Subscribe to the prestigious podcast feed, subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel. And don't forget, you can also watch.
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Amanda Dobbins
These podcasts on on Spotify.
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Sean Fennessy
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Amanda Dobbins
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Sean Fennessy
I'm Sean Fennessy.
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Amanda Dobbins
I'm Amanda Dobbins and this is the.
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Sean Fennessy
Big picture, a conversation show about the Oscars. The real Oscars. That's right, the alternative Oscars are back. Amanda, before we dole out some awards, we do have some news to catch up on after Wellness Week and an announcement to make. It is Oscars week, of course, so we'll be having predictions on the show later this week. We'll be coming to listeners live as quickly as we can after the telecast on Sunday night.
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Amanda Dobbins
We aren't gonna be live afterwards, are we?
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Sean Fennessy
We're not gonna be live live, but I'll be alive with you recording.
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Amanda Dobbins
I wanted to clarify because we will.
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Sean Fennessy
Be live before the telecast. So YouTube Sunday afternoon, 2:30pm Pacific Pacific, 5:30pm East Coast. I don't know what that is for Mountain and Central. And I apologize to those regions of.
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Amanda Dobbins
The country, 4, 30 and 3 because that's how it goes. That's how it goes backwards.
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Sean Fennessy
We're gonna. We're gonna hang out for an hour on video.
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Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
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Sean Fennessy
We're gonna talk about what predictions we made earlier in the week that we feel bad about. We're gonna talk about the vibes.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
Over the weekend, we're gonna talk.
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Amanda Dobbins
This is a great time to invite me to your party, if you would like. I don't. People listening who have parties on Friday and Saturday night.
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Sean Fennessy
You know, the Oscar party, It's like. No, you're watching the Oscars with me or something.
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Amanda Dobbins
After. I know, but, like, after we're done here.
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Sean Fennessy
Oh, you want to go out afterwards?
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Amanda Dobbins
Listen, I. Look, I'm available. I was just saying before we started recording, we need a party.
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Sean Fennessy
Okay, so you were saying we need a birthday party for me, though. That was what you were saying.
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Amanda Dobbins
Not for me. Not for you. Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
Clearly. Clearly.
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Amanda Dobbins
I miss 40 didn't happen. 40 and a half didn't happen. So we got to do 40.
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Sean Fennessy
40 and a half.
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Amanda Dobbins
I was going to have a 40 and a half birthday party because for my 40th birthday party, I was, like, eight months pregnant and just not in a partying kind of mood.
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Sean Fennessy
What happened there? How did that turn out?
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Amanda Dobbins
I don't remember.
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Sean Fennessy
Did something happen?
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Amanda Dobbins
I was pregnant.
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Sean Fennessy
Okay.
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Amanda Dobbins
And then 40 and a half was, like, very close after the fires, and it was just, like, not really a party atmosphere. So now we're rebranding for 41, and I'm just going to have a blowout.
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Sean Fennessy
So you want to be invited to parties on Friday and Saturday before the Academy Awards, which is a working weekend for both of us.
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Amanda Dobbins
Well, I'm just saying, then I could talk about them.
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Sean Fennessy
Right. And tell people things that you would also tell them on this pod.
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Amanda Dobbins
Well, I just. I'm saying that I could do it live, you know? The other thing is that you don't.
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Sean Fennessy
Like to go to parties. What are you talking about?
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Amanda Dobbins
It is true that it's not as fun. Like, there are, like, work parties and then there are party parties, you know, and the work parties keep. You know, if you're not one of the famous people, which I'm not, and I'm comfortable with that. Then you want to be able to.
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Sean Fennessy
Just do ketamine at a party. You don't want to be responsible.
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Amanda Dobbins
I want to be able to, like, have a cocktail and then dance, you know? But no one dances at the parties. At the work. Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
Oh, at the work parties.
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Amanda Dobbins
No.
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Sean Fennessy
Imagine if I just started cutting a rug just in front of Steven Spielberg. Excuse me, sir.
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Amanda Dobbins
I know. Remember the night, like, it wasn't that long before the pandemic, but we didn't have kids.
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Sean Fennessy
Those memories are gone, I'm sorry to tell you.
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Amanda Dobbins
Do you remember this? We went out to dinner.
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Sean Fennessy
Oh, Chris and I were just talking about this. We went to the shortstop.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we all piled into your car when breaking all sorts of traffic and safety laws. And then you drove us to shortstop. For some reason, you drove us through Hollywood bowl traffic, so you were, like, at your angriest. And then all of us were crammed in the back of the car and then we did shortstop. And like, will we ever be young and have fun again? Is how I feel.
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Sean Fennessy
That was an incredibly fun night.
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Amanda Dobbins
That was so fun. And so I'm just saying I'm willing to reenact that on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday night when I'm not working.
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Sean Fennessy
Okay.
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Amanda Dobbins
The other thing here is I was thinking I would have, like, a cocktail during the live portion, but it is at 2:30 in the afternoon.
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Sean Fennessy
Might be a better time to do it, so then you can come down a little bit.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, I'm. That's true. I. I'm probably not gonna have one after, but.
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Sean Fennessy
Okay.
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Amanda Dobbins
I don't know. Like, we're working, you know, in a manner of speaking. Sure.
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Sean Fennessy
Can I tell you something?
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Amanda Dobbins
Sure.
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Sean Fennessy
I really missed podcasting with you during Wellness Week. There were so many times when I thought it would be so fun to.
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Amanda Dobbins
Make a show with Amanda, but that was nicer than your normal segues of teeing up the other things. You're a real pro.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Thank you. We'll be live on YouTube on Sunday, but right now we need to talk about what happened last Sunday, which was, of course, the SAG Awards. There were a number of precursors that went down while we were gone.
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Amanda Dobbins
No, last Sunday.
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Sean Fennessy
Yesterday. BAFTA two Sundays ago was BAFTA two Sundays ago. Not yesterday, but the Sunday before that.
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Amanda Dobbins
Right? Okay. Yes. Okay. God, it's been a long week.
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Sean Fennessy
Reset. Okay. Do you want to talk about SAG or BAFTA first? I think sag. SAG is fresh in everyone's mind. SAG was a fascinating telecast with crazy results, I thought. Not crazy, but highly unexpected.
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Amanda Dobbins
I mean, it was a bunch of famous people in a room, and sometimes the sound worked and sometimes it didn't work.
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Sean Fennessy
It was. It was. This was a different sort of sag in part because it was happening so late. So it won't have the same impact on the Oscar race that it usually does because all the award shows were impacted by the fires.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes. So in terms of influencing voting, it doesn't really mean anything. Someone DM'd us to be like, will, like Pope Francis, health affect Conclave. And the answer is no, because voting's closed. But that's also how I learned that Pope Francis was in ill health.
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Sean Fennessy
That will come up again in this discussion.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes. So it doesn't influence the votes, but I do think it. You can kind of. It's reflective of where people are, you know, where the. Where the tea leaves are moving.
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Sean Fennessy
Yes. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of members of SAG who are also Academy members. It's the largest voting block in the Academy. Oscar voting closed February 18th. So this was, you know, roughly five days later. Let's just go to the results because they're really interesting.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
Best ensemble went to Conclave. This is the final award of the night. This is not the most predictive award. Historically, only 15 of the last 30 best ensemble winners have gone on to win best picture. But, you know, it's not nothing in a. In a year where things keep shifting and every time we decide, okay, it is an aura. No, just kidding. It's the Brutalist, actually. Amelia Perez. Look at all these nominations. Nope, Actually, it is Anora. Wait, is it now after a BAFTA win, right, for best film and breast. Best British Film, and now a best ensemble win for Conclave. Is it Conclave? You don't have to say for sure, but how are you feeling?
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Amanda Dobbins
I mean, it's interesting, right? I still don't think so.
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Sean Fennessy
I don't think so either because the.
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Amanda Dobbins
The voting, the preferential ballot is slightly different. And so in. In some ways, preferential ballot means that you get something more, you know, consensusy. But in other ways, it means if there is a movie that is a favorite with a lot of people. And so I think Conclave is probably third or fourth on a lot of ballots, but I don't know if we're going to get to the third or fourth ballot in this season.
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Sean Fennessy
It might require more Game theory than ever because it feels as though there are four, maybe even five movies who everyone likes, and there's nothing this like. So it's not just that the first and second place votes are really important, but the third and fourth place votes might be really important, too. And so I'm not sure what that means for Conclave. Obviously, a very fun movie. Not a bad contender. In any normal year, this movie would be running in sixth or seventh place. It's fascinating that it has a real puncher's chance. You know, you've got anora with PGA wga and DGA precursors. And now you've got Conclave with BAFT and sag, which is nothing to turn your nose up at. So I don't know. If we were here less than a week from now and we said the Best Picture winner is Conclave, you probably couldn't be stunned, right?
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Amanda Dobbins
No, you wouldn't be stunned. I think you would be surprised. I do think that Conclave winning over a couple of these ensembles makes some other movies less likely. So the other nominees were Enora, A Complete Unknown, Emilia Perez, and Wicked. I think three to four weeks ago, I would have predicted Emilia Perez to win in this category.
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Sean Fennessy
You think it would have if not for the Carlos Sophia Gascon scandal?
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Amanda Dobbins
I'm just. I think that it was very possible, and it has been. It was up until someone was literally erased from billboards, marketed as, like, this group of women and, like, transformational.
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Sean Fennessy
True ensemble.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. Um, and you smartly predicted that, like, Wicked also maybe had a spot there.
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Sean Fennessy
I thought it was gonna win today or last night. I really. I thought it was gonna win.
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Amanda Dobbins
And then there is also a Complete unknown had such strength, really, at these nominations and is, like a very actuary type of movie, as seen, you know, in another category that we will soon discuss.
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Sean Fennessy
We shall.
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Amanda Dobbins
So. But I think the fact that Conclave triumphed over those movies makes me a little less suspicious that we're gonna see a complete unknown or, like, a really a clean unknown. Surprise.
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Sean Fennessy
Agreed.
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Amanda Dobbins
I could be wrong.
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Sean Fennessy
I think that's done that. Surprise potential. The other thing to consider here is that it's clear that the SAG Awards were not very high on the Brutalist. Guy Pearce was not nominated, Adrien Brody did not win, and the ensemble was not nominated. So if that's a movie that is still contending for Best Picture, we probably weren't going to learn too much about it based on the results of this guild. So, you know, there was one great data point that came out of this that Scott Feinberg at the Hollywood Reporter pointed out, which I think is very interesting relative to Conclave's chances. He noted last night, almost every Best Picture Oscar surprise winner first won Best Ensemble SAG Award, including 1998's Shakespeare in Love, 2005's Crash, 2015's Spotlight, 2019's Parasite, and 2021's Coda. Now, these were all films that were really never the favorites and emerged late breaking in the season.
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Amanda Dobbins
Right. However, voting was different in those years, and seeing the cast on stage together accepting the Ensemble award could still affect Oscar voting.
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Sean Fennessy
It's weird because it doesn't feel like Conclave is competing in too many other categories. You know, it's competing in adapted screenplay pretty hard. That's pretty much it. Also, obviously, Edward Berger was not nominated for director. That shows a kind of weakness in the race. Gotta say, before we get to the next important conversation, just enjoying this season. The fact that it keeps changing. The fact that it's not predictable. I love the movie Oppenheimer, but I got really bored covering the Oppenheimer. Yes.
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Amanda Dobbins
You were scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Sean Fennessy
That was just dull. And I thought even everything everywhere all at once. That was a pretty dull year. In terms of COVID Like, this is cool. This is fun. That there are still three, four movies that could win. And I'm hoping for a surprise.
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Amanda Dobbins
I am, too. Well, no, I'm not. I would like to win because.
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Sean Fennessy
You think. You think, oh, you want to win the bet.
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Amanda Dobbins
Well. Well, I want to win the bet. I'd like to be right.
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Sean Fennessy
And I feel like I'm letting go of that one this year. I don't. I don't really care, I think, because you can't be right this time. There's not.
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Amanda Dobbins
That's true.
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Sean Fennessy
It's too much weirdness. There's too many movies that don't have a strong enough consensus.
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Amanda Dobbins
That's true. I mean, the other thing is that I like Honora so much. It was my favorite movie of the year. So for it to win would be really fun.
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Sean Fennessy
It would be a great and fascinating winner that I would love to talk about. And I'm obviously a big fan of that movie. I want to talk about it again with you in a little bit. But first, let's talk about the other huge award result at sag, which was that Timothee Chalamet finally put a number on the board.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
He had really not been winning any awards throughout the season, despite running a very fun campaign that we've talked about over and over again. Giving a great performance and a complete unknown as Bob Dylan. He won.
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Amanda Dobbins
He did.
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Sean Fennessy
Triumphed over Adrien Brody Club Chalamet would.
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Amanda Dobbins
Like me to point out that this is one of the few award ceremonies that he attended without Kylie Jenner.
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Sean Fennessy
And what do you think that was about?
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Amanda Dobbins
I. You know, maybe she was working. Maybe she was elsewhere. I'm not really sure. I don't. She. She is a billionaire.
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Sean Fennessy
On paper, it's a Sunday at 8pm.
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Amanda Dobbins
Listen, I don't know. Maybe she has a shoot somewhere else, you know, international. Well, because she makes those little lip kits you know, you're going to feminist.
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Sean Fennessy
War for Kylie Jenner.
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Amanda Dobbins
I'm not. I'm actually, you know, was like Jennifer gently trying to locate the Kylie Kerr to. To Club Chalamet. Do you know about Club Chalamet?
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Sean Fennessy
I do know about Club Shalamet.
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Amanda Dobbins
Okay. That's. I mean, that's just a fun Internet.
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Sean Fennessy
A controversial figure.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes, exactly. And Club Chalamet has been notably anti. Kylie doesn't even print her name. I see. But, I mean, Kylie was at the BAFTAs, I think, and she was obviously at the Golden Globes for the second year running.
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Sean Fennessy
So, you know, she did not join him. He went with his mom.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
And he went up and he gave a speech, and he gave a very direct speech. He talked about the fact that he put a lot of time and effort into his work, starring as Bob Dylan, a man he called an American hero. And then he said, I know this is not common. I know you're not supposed to say this and that. We work in a subjective business, but I want to be one of the greats. He said, I am striving for greatness and that I'm not just inspired by the greats in this room or Daniel Day Lewis or Marlon Brando or Viola Davis. I am inspired by Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps, and that's what I want. And he said, this doesn't represent that, but it's more fuel as he picked up the award. More ammo to keep going. Now, I've seen a mixed reaction to this speech. I will just say I loved it.
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Amanda Dobbins
Awesome.
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Sean Fennessy
This is the opposite of what we're meant to expect from actors and all performers who receive awards, which is you acknowledge your fellow nominees, you stay humble, you talk about your gratitude. Maybe if you're a person of faith. You talk about God, you talk about your parents, you mention your team a number of times.
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Amanda Dobbins
Kevin Hu Vane was thanked too many times last night.
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Sean Fennessy
Many times. And all of that. We've heard that many times before. Timmy, Knicks fan for life. Clearly a sports guy. Sees his work in a different vein. He is competitive. He is inspired by the feeling of achieving something that is achievable if you work hard enough and that you will be recognized in kind. I thought it. This is going to be maybe an annoying talking point, but I'm going to share it with you, even though we don't really know what we're talking about. I thought it was very Gen Z or, you know, young, young, young, young, young Millennial. Yeah, I was, you know, he's 29. He's kind of right on Bobby. But it was, it was more the like. And I'm, I'm not trying to.
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Amanda Dobbins
The screen was like, was on sleep and then just angry Bobby popped up. That was really good.
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Sean Fennessy
I'm not trying to pick a fight with Gen Z or young millennials.
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Amanda Dobbins
No, it was very.
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Sean Fennessy
Sometimes I'm gonna say what I need to say and I'm not afraid if it ruffles feathers. There's like, there is a genera. I think older millennials in Gen X are kind of like, eh, you know.
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Amanda Dobbins
I don't want a sincerity even in the competitiveness of it. Like, this means something to me. I know you're not supposed to say it, but this is what I want. No, I agree with you. It's also just like, and, and I. And this is crass and I'm sorry, but like amazing content. Like, sometimes you want. Not sometimes, all of the time. You want people in these roles, especially the performers to perform. You know, like, this is one big show. Like, give me something to talk about as it was fantastic. And he is really good at that. Like, he reads the moment. Like he, I mean, he's obviously a great actor and a great performer, but like, my guy is dialed in.
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Sean Fennessy
But also, he didn't. He hasn't won any awards to this point or not any televised awards. And he didn't have a piece of paper in his hand. He didn't have a phone in his hand.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's right.
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Sean Fennessy
And he went up there and he had a very coherent, clear through line that he wanted to speak to. Thanked his mom who worked for actors equity for 40 years. Great way to open a speech in front of Saga. And then he just went bang, bang, bang. I am. I want to be Tiger Woods. I want to be mj. I want to be. I have an assassins, like, commitment to being great at what I do. I would again, personally raise the specter of Wonka in the lineage of the work that he is doing. Relative to that comment, I have some questions about that. Aside from that he's using his powers for good. This is the only person in Hollywood under 30 who moves the needle. It's awesome that he would choose to say this at this time in front of those people, even though I'm sure it made some people in the audience a little like, what's this guy's problem? Why is he being such a, you know, dead eyed, you know, maximus and gladiator warrior moment?
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Amanda Dobbins
I wasn't dead eyed. Also, he was wearing leather and a bolo tie, a leather suit.
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Sean Fennessy
A bolo tie and a lime green.
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Amanda Dobbins
It was, I mean, incredible. Really, really special stuff. I'm a huge fan.
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Sean Fennessy
Adrien Brody genuinely seemed surprised, confused, impressed, annoyed.
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Amanda Dobbins
All four surprised, I think. And then really trying to, like, steer the car of reaction back on the road, you know, Everyone else, like, because, because Timmy's reaction, and I hope he'll let me call him Timmy. It's said with love. His reaction was so good and he was like, oh, wait, what that. I have seen the replay of the five boxes a lot and everybody is kind of, you know, Daniel Craig is.
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Sean Fennessy
Just thrilled to be there. He looked amazing.
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Amanda Dobbins
He looks amazing.
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Sean Fennessy
Sunglasses on.
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Amanda Dobbins
Is he thrilled to be there? I don't really know, but he's just kind of there. He had no expectations.
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Sean Fennessy
We'll get to him and his legacy. And we get to a couple of other news items.
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Amanda Dobbins
Colman Domingo is locked in, knows exactly what to be doing, and he knows he's not winning.
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Sean Fennessy
And who is number five last night? Number five, Coleman Domingo. Daniel Craig. I can't remember. I can't remember.
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Amanda Dobbins
Ray finds. Ray finds. Oh, Ray finds. Ray finds.
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Sean Fennessy
You know, he's been there before.
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Amanda Dobbins
Sure. And so. But it was really Adrian Barty just being like, oh, and the camera's on me and I gotta, I gotta pull this together a little.
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Sean Fennessy
Do you think this shifts the race?
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Amanda Dobbins
I don't know. I honestly, I don't know. It's late enough. I think this is the kind of thing where if voting were still open, people would be like, oh, we're doing that now. I do think it indicates that a lot of actors who are a very large voting bloc really like that performance. I do think that many people, myself included, also really love Adrien Brody. That is a more. I mean, in the way that that movie, despite being like a very American story about America, leans so heavily on European cinema and I think speaks to international voters in a way that, you know, do. Do other people, non Americans care that much about, like our, you know, our next great son. Like doing Bob Dylan and going electric. Like, I don't know if they do. I. I do. My 3 year old son does. You know, like, we're here, they're talking about Bob Dylan, but yes, they are Knox. But I. It's really split. Like, I see.
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Sean Fennessy
It feels like. It feels like a coin flip.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. We are doing our predictions in a couple days. I don't know what my answer is yet on this one.
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Sean Fennessy
I don't either. I was, I was very happy to see that win. Not just because I think he's very good in it. I think Brody is also extraordinary in that movie. It's just as you said, it was a moment. It was a very memorable moment. Chalamet is not some New Kid on the Block, though. This is his third individual SAG nomination. He's also been nominated, I think twice for ensembles. Like, he's been to that show many times. It was a bit of a stake in the ground. SAG, Best Actor. 18 of the last 20 have gone on to win the Oscar. The last one who did not was Anthony Hopkins in the Father because Chadwick Boseman won at sag. So it's not common to win SAG and then lose the Academy Award. So we'll just have to wait and see. Best Actress. Demi Moore won.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
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Sean Fennessy
Momentum was flowing in Mikey Madison's direction. She did win at bafta. You didn't think so.
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Amanda Dobbins
You didn't think that was real? No, I didn't. I did not. Again, this is a little bit of, like, you know, Demi Moore is a uniquely American institution starring in a. Like a French, sort of international, I guess, movie. But, like, that's our gal.
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Sean Fennessy
So you're holding onto Demi.
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Amanda Dobbins
You think, oh, like a thousand percent. I think it was. Rebecca Ford from Vanity Fair noted that the entire room stood up for her.
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Sean Fennessy
Stood for her.
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Amanda Dobbins
And that was not the case for any of the nominees.
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Sean Fennessy
Good speech. Not quite as strong as the Globe speech.
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Amanda Dobbins
It was a good speech. And is this where I float my. Like, the speechwriters are showing a little take for this Oscar season. I mean, she delivered it beautifully. And I don't think I mind a. Like, I think it's good to be prepared, you know, and they are actors, and so you can learn your lines and, you know, but the spontaneity is not really being telegraphed in the same. In the same way that I thought the Golden Globe speech really did have, even if it was also prepared. So you're saying that would be my performance?
- [22:57]
Sean Fennessy
Brad Pitt, circa 2019.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes. Yeah. Both for. Well, like, really, like, across the board. I thought Zoe Saldana did a great job. She. She won again in supporting actress. And I think that that is concluded. And I also really do understand why that individual would want to have nailed down what she wants to say in front of a microphone of people.
- [23:18]
Sean Fennessy
Careful not to misstep right now.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. And I think they're, like, they're well written. Like, part of the reason I'm like, okay, I can see this speechwriting, in effect, is because they're tying together big themes and lots of people and it's hard to be that polished and on message off the cuff.
- [23:36]
Sean Fennessy
Mm. Well, hers was pretty.
- [23:37]
Amanda Dobbins
There's nothing wrong. There's literally nothing wrong with it. I was just kind of like, oh, okay. Like, everyone really is. Everyone's. Everyone's prepping.
- [23:43]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Hers was prepared for sure, because there was a lot of notes about when I got my SAG card and I didn't know what SAG was. And, you know, a lot of times it's playing for the room that you're in or the television production that you're in.
- [23:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Demi Moore also did that as well of, like, getting my card.
- [23:57]
Sean Fennessy
And she got several looks on the pre. Like, the, you know, interstitials about how she had started on soaps. I just listened to her on WTF recently, too. She talked a lot about her experience on soaps back then. So, you know, at this award show, it's a lot of people who are, like, in the business.
- [24:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [24:11]
Sean Fennessy
You know, it's not a really. It doesn't favor ingenue as much.
- [24:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [24:15]
Sean Fennessy
It's really more like, are you a working actor?
- [24:17]
Amanda Dobbins
Right.
- [24:17]
Sean Fennessy
So anyway, Zoe won. Kieran Culkin won for supporting actor. That also feels done and dusted.
- [24:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, that's completely done.
- [24:26]
Sean Fennessy
I find that a little bit disappointing. Not because I dislike Kieran Culkin, because I do not. And I also do not really agree with the take that he is just doing what he did in succession. I feel that there is a significant difference in the performance. The one thing that I've been thinking about, and, you know, I love Guy Pearce in Brutalist, but set that aside for a minute. I rewatched an aura, and I think Yuro Borisov's very good in Anora.
- [24:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [24:49]
Sean Fennessy
I have nothing negative to say about him. And he becomes the emotional fulcrum of the movie near the end of the movie. But Karen Kerguelen is like the. Is the movie to me. The whole second act of the movie doesn't work if he's not as funny and energetic. And he's like a absolute shot of adrenaline into the heart of the movie and no recognition. Like, we all just kind of decided it was Yura Borisov because he's got this critical moment near the end of the movie.
- [25:13]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, but. And it's, like, creeping in throughout. And I think it was Joanna who pointed out, like, there is. The movie is cut in a way that it is watching Yuro Borisov, like, the movie leads you to pick that up.
- [25:26]
Sean Fennessy
He's very good.
- [25:27]
Amanda Dobbins
He's wonderful.
- [25:27]
Sean Fennessy
But it's a testimony to the way that the script is written and the way that the movie is made, not to the performance as much. Where Ker Gulian is like, he has a huge burden in the movie that he has to carry. He is a true supporting performance. Anyway, just citing that because I think.
- [25:42]
Amanda Dobbins
All the performances in Anora, they are very good because I just wanted to give myself some.
- [25:46]
Sean Fennessy
Some.
- [25:47]
Amanda Dobbins
One thing on Mikey. Yeah, she did get one of the coveted I'm Mikey Madison and I'm an actor intros, which is, you know, my favorite part of every cyber war she's here to stay. The best one, though, was Jessica Williams with Harrison Ford. Just.
- [26:02]
Sean Fennessy
Are you jealous of that moment?
- [26:03]
Amanda Dobbins
I was just completely charmed by all that. I was like, well, this is. This is why Harrison Ford is Harrison Ford.
- [26:09]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. I particularly liked the Kristen Bell performing. Do you want to build an actor? Yeah, build a snowman from Frozen, but do you want to be an actor? And showing the clips of the actors.
- [26:20]
Amanda Dobbins
At very young, and they had a lot of the actors, but the camera knew they were coming and found them and show them reacting to their weird things. Yeah, it was very charming. The hacks bit was funny. Yeah.
- [26:34]
Sean Fennessy
It was like, weirdly forgetting Star Marshall, one of my favorite movies of the 21st century. I thought that bit was not very good with Jason Segel. Unfortunately, the callback to that.
- [26:42]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm skeptical of that movie, but I know it's very important to all the men.
- [26:46]
Sean Fennessy
Don't bring that gender essentialist bullshit into this room when we're talking about forgetting Sarah Marshall.
- [26:51]
Amanda Dobbins
I love all of you, and it's nice that you found love.
- [26:53]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Aired on Netflix again. It was fine. They had ads. How'd you feel about the ads?
- [26:59]
Amanda Dobbins
I left or fast forwarded through them.
- [27:01]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. The ASC Awards, which are not televised on Netflix or anywhere else, I think are notable because Ed Lackman won for Maria. He'd never won this award before. This is the Cinematographers Group. He'd been nominated five times. He is nominated at the Academy Awards. Many people have been citing Law Crawley as the front runner from the Brutalist for this film. But Jaron Blaschke also won the Critics Choice, and then Jomo Frey won the Spirits on Saturday. Jomo Frey, not nominated at the Academy Awards, but still, this. This category is kind of all over the place with precursors. We'll see what happens. Thought that was worth sharing.
- [27:35]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. It'll also come up again in our predictions because we do use the guilds as a bellwether.
- [27:40]
Sean Fennessy
A bellwether that's right. A beacon, a guiding light. The Spirit Awards happened on Saturday. As we mentioned on Saturday night, I think at least among the Oscar punditry, everybody was like, this is locked and loaded. Anora is taking this baby home because Anora won best feature, best director and best lead performance. Coming off of a weekend in which at the BAFTAs it won best actress. Shawn Baker gave a great speech about the essential nature of independent film and it being a safe haven for artists who want to control their work and what they have to say and the challenging nature of it right now. This is something we've talked about on the show many times. It's been a really tough decade for indie film. Baker has stuck to the indie model, so he's the perfect person to be giving that speech. He's been given a lot of good speeches lately.
- [28:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, I'm not Give another great one from outside your ADU while I rearrange it.
- [28:36]
Sean Fennessy
You think so? You think director is locked in.
- [28:37]
Amanda Dobbins
I am hoping so. Both because it's my favorite movie of the year and I just. I really. I have visions. You know, I have a vision. I've got plans. I'm ready to go.
- [28:48]
Sean Fennessy
Cool. Who will give you the key to that room? Is the interesting question here.
- [28:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Her name is Alice.
- [28:55]
Sean Fennessy
She will. She will betray me for you for sure. Jesse Eisenberg wins best screenplay at the indie Spirits Flow. One international feature. Flow. I'm still here. International feature that could come in at the Oscars.
- [29:12]
Amanda Dobbins
I know what I think, but we'll save it for Wednesday.
- [29:15]
Sean Fennessy
No Other Land wins best documentary. We'll see what that means. Two awards that they do give at the Spirits that we will also be giving here today on the show. Best first feature went to Dee Dee Sean Wong. He also won best first screenplay. The Spirits are fine. They're on YouTube. Hosted by AD Bryant, who I love. She's great. Not much more else to say about it.
- [29:36]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [29:37]
Sean Fennessy
Any other thoughts?
- [29:38]
Amanda Dobbins
I didn't watch them.
- [29:39]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [29:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, live. I mean, I watched some clips, but quickly.
- [29:43]
Sean Fennessy
The BAFTAs mentioned best film, Best British film went to conclave. Mentioned Mikey Madison. The three other predicted winners went in the acting categories last weekend. Brady Courbet won best director. So we got a real showdown there. I'd like actually don't know what the odds are. I'd like to see that. Eisenberg also won best original screenplay here.
- [30:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes, I do. That one's notable.
- [30:03]
Sean Fennessy
What's going on there?
- [30:04]
Amanda Dobbins
Something might be happening there. And that's also a very classic. We like it, but not enough for best picture. But we like you. Let's throw you a bone in this category.
- [30:17]
Sean Fennessy
It's weird because Kieran and screenplay would historically be what they call a very nice win package for a movie like a real pain. But it's not nominated. Best picture. So how strong is it? Not really that strong. The Christopher Reeve story won best documentary not nominated at the Academy Awards. This is the first time in 14 years that the BAFTA winner was not even nominated for best documentary at the Oscars. Best documentary this year. Not that great.
- [30:39]
Amanda Dobbins
I used my wellness week to watch all of the nominated documentaries. We will have that discussion.
- [30:44]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. News we missed. Moving away from awards season. There probably were some things this morning that we've missed. So I'm sorry if I'm not getting into those things. We've been recording all morning. Matt Damon will play Odysseus in Christopher Nolan's the Odyssey.
- [30:57]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm actually getting this news now. What I did not miss was googling the picture of Matt Damon's armor, which happened live on Jam Session last week. Yeah, just so. Period piece is what I like.
- [31:10]
Sean Fennessy
I listened to last week's jam session. Was it near the end?
- [31:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, that was probably because it was on 2x and you just. You missed it.
- [31:17]
Sean Fennessy
What are you talking about? It was quick with this bear trap in my head. You kidding me?
- [31:20]
Amanda Dobbins
No. I just googled it.
- [31:21]
Sean Fennessy
Nothing gets by me on Jam Session. Come on. There was some speculation. I think I might have speculated perhaps Tom Holland was playing Odysseus. Not the case.
- [31:28]
Amanda Dobbins
It's David. Yeah.
- [31:30]
Sean Fennessy
How old is Odysseus in the book?
- [31:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I mean, he's older.
- [31:35]
Sean Fennessy
He hasn't in that time. Could she live to 70?
- [31:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Like, what are we doing, you know? Like, do you want to be biologically accurate?
- [31:43]
Sean Fennessy
How old are Scylla and Charybdis?
- [31:46]
Amanda Dobbins
That I don't know, because that could be.
- [31:48]
Sean Fennessy
They're ancient.
- [31:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Hundreds of it.
- [31:50]
Sean Fennessy
Feels like they're ancient.
- [31:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. How old are humans again? I was thinking about this the other day.
- [31:53]
Sean Fennessy
How old are humans, the human race? Well, the Bible tells us.
- [31:58]
Amanda Dobbins
I meant the real one because we got this set of dinosaur eggs that you put in water and then they, quote, unquote, hatch a tiny plastic dinosaur. We've been going through that box, learning about all the different dinosaurs.
- [32:11]
Sean Fennessy
What's the dinosaur of choice in the household? Triceratops. Stegosaurus.
- [32:16]
Amanda Dobbins
He makes up his own names.
- [32:17]
Sean Fennessy
Allosaurus.
- [32:19]
Amanda Dobbins
We have, like, a lot of Spinosaurus.
- [32:21]
Sean Fennessy
Spinosaurus.
- [32:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Spinosaurus. Yeah. I think we got two of those in the set. What he's really Good at is raptor. We haven't gotten a raptor yet. It's just kind of what's in front of him.
- [32:32]
Sean Fennessy
Do you think?
- [32:32]
Amanda Dobbins
I like matching it.
- [32:33]
Sean Fennessy
A good pod. That's just me saying dinosaur names. I would enjoy that.
- [32:37]
Amanda Dobbins
You could say it to Knox and then he would say them back, and that would be really funny.
- [32:40]
Sean Fennessy
Well, that's just something we'll do.
- [32:41]
Amanda Dobbins
You can pronounce them better. Knox or Chris Ryan is definitely like.
- [32:45]
Sean Fennessy
A segment that we should do our announcing pronouncing King. I am excited about the Odyssey. I think we're developing CR's Odyssey report.
- [32:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Someone pointed out that the name of it should be the Odyssey, which is.
- [33:00]
Sean Fennessy
Obviously perfect horrendous for SEO, but. All right, I'll keep that in mind. We got word that's.
- [33:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Can't you just do, like, metadata or whatever?
- [33:09]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know what that means.
- [33:10]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [33:10]
Sean Fennessy
That's very severance, what you just said.
- [33:12]
Amanda Dobbins
I wouldn't know.
- [33:13]
Sean Fennessy
Scorsese, as in Martin DiCaprio, as in Leonardo Blunt, as in Emily, and Rock, as in the, are reportedly coming together for a Hawaii set gangster movie. And there is ferocious bidding in Hollywood for this new film, which was described in the trades as Goodfellas meets the Departed, which is just gobbledygook.
- [33:37]
Amanda Dobbins
But in Hawaii.
- [33:38]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, but in Hawaii. Is this movie real?
- [33:44]
Amanda Dobbins
I don't know, but I'm trying to figure out how I can get a job as Martin Scorsese's Hawaii assistant, You know, like, that doesn't.
- [33:50]
Sean Fennessy
That sounds hard.
- [33:52]
Amanda Dobbins
I don't know.
- [33:52]
Sean Fennessy
You want to work that hard in Hawaii.
- [33:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, you got to figure. I hope that there are, like, breaks built in for rest and relaxation, given the. The age and stature of. Of everyone involved.
- [34:04]
Sean Fennessy
I gotta get back to Hawaii. I mean, we moved to LA and went to Hawaii three times in five years. And I was like, I guess this is where I go on vacation every year. And I haven't been in. And I love it. That's one of the few things in life that they were like, this is the best place on earth. I went and it was like, yes.
- [34:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. No, it's amazing. I miss it, too. I haven't been since, as always.
- [34:22]
Sean Fennessy
Don't have children.
- [34:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. Really don't.
- [34:26]
Sean Fennessy
This movie seems not real to me. It seems like if it's real, I'm very excited. A lot of people I really like the Rock's obviously on his revenge tour. His actually I'm Good tour, which I support generally. I've been wanting him to make good movies for a very Long time. Martin Scorsese has been attached to, like, nine movies over the last three years. If any of them gets made, I'll be delighted and I'll look forward to them. But this one seems strange, but in some of the reporting, we did learn that Damien Chazelle's Evel Knievel biopic starring Leonardo DiCaprio is supposed to begin filming this summer.
- [35:02]
Amanda Dobbins
What. What happened to the prison movie?
- [35:05]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know.
- [35:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [35:07]
Sean Fennessy
Leonardo DiCaprio is Evel Knievel in a Damien Chazelle movie.
- [35:10]
Amanda Dobbins
What's happening? I'm waiting for you to announce, like, your sabbatical to go. Once again, is this a real thing.
- [35:15]
Sean Fennessy
That is gonna happen?
- [35:16]
Amanda Dobbins
Be, like, the clapboard guy on this movie.
- [35:18]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Hiro. Hi. My voice is getting.
- [35:19]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, I know.
- [35:21]
Sean Fennessy
I'm really excited about that. I hope that's really happening.
- [35:24]
Amanda Dobbins
I think. I think everything that you just said should be true and that we should go to Hawaii.
- [35:29]
Sean Fennessy
Leo is set visit.
- [35:31]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm available. Usually I say, no, I'm available for this one.
- [35:33]
Sean Fennessy
All this is going on in the world, and Leo is like, I'm on a mission.
- [35:37]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [35:37]
Sean Fennessy
I make cool movies, and that's the only thing I do. Yeah, it's honestly fabulous. I have so much respect for him. Okay, this is probably the biggest news. This is. And this was one. When it happened, I was like, why? Why are me and Amanda not on a pod right now? Amazon announced last week that they have gained creative control from Barbara Broccoli and the Eon Productions company of James Bond.
- [36:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [36:02]
Sean Fennessy
So Amazon now, they had the right to distribute James Bond films when they acquired the MGM and the MGM library.
- [36:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Correct.
- [36:10]
Sean Fennessy
And now. But Barbara Broccoli, and is it Michael Johnson? I can't recall her stepbrother's last name. Michael Wilson. Excuse me.
- [36:19]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes, Wilson.
- [36:21]
Sean Fennessy
They retained the creative control of the character. And so there has been this long period now since no Time to Die. Nothing's in development, no actors have been cast as the next respond. Nothing's happening. They refuse to let Amazon develop any related properties to the character. And then Amazon, reportedly, for a large sum of money, got the rights. You've always been a much bigger Bond fan than I have been over the years. What do you make of this news?
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Amanda Dobbins
Inevitable, I guess. You know, there. Every time that you have the conversation about who will be the new Bond, how will they start it again? There is also the question of, like, should there be another one? Is it. Is this character? Is this way of making movies completely out of, like, out of date and context? And what does it mean anymore to make one of these movies and to make it the way that they used to make them. So I think Michael Wilson was retiring, so it was gonna be Barbara Broccoli going on her own and just kind of didn't have.
- [37:30]
Sean Fennessy
He's in his 80s, I believe, she's.
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Amanda Dobbins
In her 70s and didn't have the energy anymore. And none of the Broccoli children were ready to take it on. Which that's obviously a succession spinoff that I'd like to watch.
- [37:44]
Sean Fennessy
Very interesting. Behind the scenes. Which Broccoli child is like, I don't think so. I don't really want to work on Bond.
- [37:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I wonder if that was the decision or we don't trust these Nepo kids exactly like you guys because I mean historically the Broccolis and Barbara in particular have been very, very protective. They make their movies the way they want to make them.
- [38:05]
Sean Fennessy
But she inherited that from her father, Cubby Broccoli.
- [38:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Right. So I, you know, but the standards and inflexibility at times. So maybe she was not willing to be flexible enough to one of the next generation. You know, it's.
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Sean Fennessy
The alternative is interesting. By ceding control to one of the most powerful corporations in the known world. And I'll zag on this a little bit because obviously when the news came out, a lot of people like, oh my God, Amazon's gonna fuck this up. They're gonna make nine spin off series. They're gonna ruin the brand. Yada yada yada. Honestly, two out of every five Bond movies aren't any good. Like, let's not pretend like this is 100 years of solitude or something. You know what I mean? It's like it's Bond.
- [38:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Right?
- [38:53]
Sean Fennessy
At least a third of the movies don't work at all.
- [38:56]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I agree with you. I think that the counterargument would be in the way that Star wars fans have seen their, you know, once hallowed 3, 6, 9. However many movies turned into 45 television shows starring Jude Law that I've never seen and that increasingly you haven't seen either.
- [39:17]
Sean Fennessy
True.
- [39:19]
Amanda Dobbins
And that there is a feeling that it would dilute the specialness of the experience. I hear that. I'm sure there will be some weird Moneypenny spinoff that will make me depressed on behalf of all women. And Art, on the other hand. Sure. Show me an MI6. Show me. I'd love to meet 005. Like I don't really care anymore. Like the. You're right that they weren't hallowed Enough that I. I'm not interested, like, in other parts of the world. The main issue is just that, you know, they used to be events in the sense of, like, a lot of money was spent and. And a lot of creative effort was put, even if it didn't always work out in terms of the execution. But, you know, you think of the other Amazon blockbusters that we have seen, like, they are, like, uniquely bad and look uniquely bad. And you really just gotta hope that's not exciting.
- [40:25]
Sean Fennessy
You gotta hope that they find a steward.
- [40:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure.
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Sean Fennessy
A filmmaking like a production group or a director or someone who feels very passionately. The Christopher Nolan conversation cropped up right away. Cause he's always wanted to make one of these movies. I find it hard to believe that they would give him total creative control.
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Amanda Dobbins
So, I mean, that becomes the problem. Like, do they find a steward who is, like, even close to. And I mean, it's not like the, you know, the Broccolis are not Martin Scorsese or anything else. But what is that person gonna be a steward of? Like, is it trying to make the best possible James Bond film or trying to make something like, you know, big and lavish and kind of silly and memorable? Or is it gonna be maximizing X, Y, you know.
- [41:11]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
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Amanda Dobbins
The franchise potential over time with the Cont, you know, and then selling bow ties or whatever.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah. I don't have as much of a problem with the kind of merchandising and expansion stuff because it's an inevitability, I think. I do think that one thing that Barbara Broccoli in particular brought was not just like a real tenacity and an unwillingness to bend other people's desires, but a particular kind of taste. I might. It might not have always been my taste.
- [41:38]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [41:38]
Sean Fennessy
But fighting for Daniel Craig, not keeping Pierce Brosnan when she could have. Because I think the last movie that he made was really financially successful pursuing someone like Sam Mendes. Not my favorite director, but is a real director.
- [41:50]
Amanda Dobbins
And Skyfall was dynamite.
- [41:52]
Sean Fennessy
Excellent movie. And being willing to evolve the character, being willing to take the chances that they took on the final film. They did a good job. You know, I don't. I really don't like Spectre. And I think Quantum of Solace is flawed. But those other three movies, I think, are darn good. And you really gotta hope that somebody who's got that, I don't know, vision is the right word when you're a producer of ip, but it's something.
- [42:16]
Amanda Dobbins
I agree. But I just don't think a person with vision is Gonna be Amazon's number one priority when or like vision being the most important thing on the list of demands. So in that sense, it's a bummer. I mean, it is a bummer when it's corporations instead of people in charge of things, just broadly speaking, in the swath of human history.
- [42:38]
Sean Fennessy
But this is the last domino. This is the last one of these things. The Lord of the Rings and Marvel and all of these things that people obsessed over for years and years that maintain some level of independent ownership in terms of licensing. I guess you could make the case that Stephen King still kind of runs the show on his stuff, but it's not really the same because he's already been adapted so many times. So we are just in the era of corporate parentage for all of your favorite characters. That's just what it's all about, except for Mickey Mouse, who's now in the public domain.
- [43:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, congratulations.
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Sean Fennessy
When will you make your Mickey Mouse movie?
- [43:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Knox does like Mickey. He somehow knows about Mickey. I think he.
- [43:16]
Sean Fennessy
What does Mickey do?
- [43:17]
Amanda Dobbins
No idea.
- [43:18]
Sean Fennessy
What's his deal?
- [43:19]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, you would know better.
- [43:23]
Sean Fennessy
I'm not sure I get it.
- [43:24]
Amanda Dobbins
And what does Minnie do? Besides love Mickey?
- [43:27]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, that's it.
- [43:28]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, the ears are pretty good, you know, and they did merchandise that very early, so that. That was smart.
- [43:33]
Sean Fennessy
Walt. Yay or nay?
- [43:35]
Amanda Dobbins
It's a nay. Walt was on a list of potential names.
- [43:38]
Sean Fennessy
Walt.
- [43:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [43:40]
Sean Fennessy
I mean, would it be Walt Disney? Baron?
- [43:44]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I think it would have been Walter and then Walt. Yeah. But obviously we want another direction. But Walt. It's kind of cute, right?
- [43:55]
Sean Fennessy
I'm trying to imagine that kid being called Walt.
- [43:58]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, he's not a Walt. He's psy. Yeah. Like, it all worked out, but Walt. Walt. But it was. There was a discussion.
- [44:04]
Sean Fennessy
I love psy. I'm very pro.
- [44:05]
Amanda Dobbins
S. Thank you so much. We like it, too. As soon as, like, we spent a long time trying to be like. Well, like, would we do sire?
- [44:10]
Sean Fennessy
No, I meant the child. I meant the child, not the name. The name is great, too. But I was referring to how much I love your child.
- [44:14]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, no, he's great.
- [44:16]
Sean Fennessy
He's great. I'm very proud.
- [44:17]
Amanda Dobbins
He is just really, you know, he's got a real temper, though. That's a really interesting.
- [44:20]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, I think I'm drawn to that.
- [44:22]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, he's so, so smiley and happy until you, like, you've aired in some way, and then he lets you know.
- [44:29]
Sean Fennessy
I know. Yeah.
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Amanda Dobbins
It's really. It's. It's powerful. Yeah, he's Great. I'm. I'm happy about him. This season, a new hot deal has arrived at Metro. $25 a line for four lines.
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Sean Fennessy
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Amanda Dobbins
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Sean Fennessy
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Sean Fennessy
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Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Shall we do the Alternative Oscars?
- [46:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [46:08]
Sean Fennessy
We have not changed the name. There will be no walting of the alternative Oscars. We're still calling it that. It's also called the Big Picks. It's the fifth time we've done it. You know we were supposed to do it with Wesley Morris. We had a scheduling snafu. So Wesley is not with us today.
- [46:20]
Amanda Dobbins
That's sad because it's like I see Wesley like twice a year basically at this point. Once when he's in LA and once doing this episode. Well, I kind of like I miss him. Yeah.
- [46:28]
Sean Fennessy
Created this to get to spend two hours with him, especially during COVID That was nice.
- [46:33]
Amanda Dobbins
That's okay. It'll be tennis season again soon and I can text him a lot.
- [46:38]
Sean Fennessy
I've at least been in good touch with him. But he's not joining us today. Alternative Oscars. If you've never heard it before, it is what it says on the label. These are films Performances. Stuff related to movies from the year 2024 that were not recognized at the Academy Awards. Can someone from a film that is nominated in another category be recognized? Yes, but there will be no repeats of any performances or of any movies in those respective categories. We've also added, I believe, nine categories. We've been sticking with these nine categories through the years, plus the seven big ones from the telecast. We also merged original screenplay and adapted screenplay into a single category, which I think maybe should be considered. Just putting that out there. Something I've been thinking.
- [47:18]
Amanda Dobbins
We can't get rid of the actual good awards. And they're all good, except, with respect, short films, which I still have to watch.
- [47:27]
Sean Fennessy
I watched them all. Overwhelmed this week.
- [47:29]
Amanda Dobbins
I was. Listen, I started at a deficit because of, you know, people not named Walt. And I am gonna catch up.
- [47:40]
Sean Fennessy
Can I. Can you guess how many of the short films I liked? I would say I liked two. One.
- [47:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, God. I mean, this is always the thing. Just listen. It's important to learn about stuff by making a short film, and it's important to learn about new directors. But we have a better category for that. We gotta move them. Different. Different awards show. Different awards show. I'm sorry.
- [48:03]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, let's do our award show.
- [48:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [48:06]
Sean Fennessy
Who's the host of our award show?
- [48:09]
Amanda Dobbins
John Mulaney.
- [48:10]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. I would love that.
- [48:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [48:11]
Sean Fennessy
Who's producing our award show? Nick Kroll. Perfect.
- [48:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Great. Okay. There we go. Yeah. Now we can't afford any awards or.
- [48:19]
Sean Fennessy
Anything else, but then now it's just me talking for 90 minutes. No one is in attendance. Just Jack Sanders and Bobby on a black screen.
- [48:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Nothing. Yeah, yeah.
- [48:29]
Sean Fennessy
We are catered by whatever's in the fridge here at Spotify.
- [48:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Right. Also, our children don't get to go to school.
- [48:34]
Sean Fennessy
That's right.
- [48:36]
Amanda Dobbins
For the next 25 years. But Mulaney and Kroll got their feasts.
- [48:40]
Sean Fennessy
So congratulations to them. The first category is best first feature. Now, we tend to. We do this collaboratively, collectively.
- [48:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [48:49]
Sean Fennessy
I throw a bunch of names in. You throw a bunch of names in. Yeah, we take some stuff out. We don't take some stuff out. I try to keep the categories, with a couple of exceptions, to five people.
- [48:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Right.
- [48:58]
Sean Fennessy
Which is, I think, the right number of people. This critics choice situation where you get like seven or eight nominees, I don't really believe in that.
- [49:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [49:04]
Sean Fennessy
But honestly, I don't have self control, and sometimes I add a bunch of people to certain categories. What do you think about the number of people?
- [49:09]
Amanda Dobbins
We've been mostly consistent.
- [49:11]
Sean Fennessy
Yes.
- [49:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Which I, as A fan of order. And we need to know what the rules are. I like that. You know when it's like, the thing that drives me insane is when it's like, sometimes it's seven, sometimes it's six, sometimes it's eight, I don't like that. That's not okay. I think that we. We have one category where things went. Two categories where things went a little crazy, but that's also justifiable. I do. That's the point of both categories.
- [49:36]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. Good. I'm glad we're on the same page about that. Okay, first category. Best first feature.
- [49:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [49:40]
Sean Fennessy
These are the first feature film directing jobs. The nominees are Dee Dee, directed by Sean Wong. The First Omen, directed by Arkasha Stevenson. Good one. Directed by India Donaldson. How to have Sex, directed by Molly Manning Walker. Not Cr. The Piano Lesson, directed by Malcolm Washington.
- [50:00]
Amanda Dobbins
So a point of clarification. So the person in the first Omen is not actually named Damian Owen.
- [50:08]
Sean Fennessy
Damian Omen.
- [50:08]
Amanda Dobbins
No, Damian Omen. That's right.
- [50:10]
Sean Fennessy
Damien Omen only makes a late breaking appearance at the end of the first.
- [50:14]
Amanda Dobbins
But Damian Oman is a real person, a real character.
- [50:17]
Sean Fennessy
His name is Damien.
- [50:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, so this is. This is because you and Chris were, like, making a lot of jokes and you told me I should see this movie, even though it's terrifying and has something to do with childbirth in a way that was, like, not gonna really be in my option set.
- [50:30]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. And his name is Damien Thorne.
- [50:32]
Amanda Dobbins
I know, but you just kept calling him Damien Omen, and I thought that was his real name.
- [50:36]
Sean Fennessy
We do that because that's what Bill Simmons calls him. We don't know why he calls him that. No one else calls him that. But when he says it, he says it's so authoritatively that it makes it seem as though that is his name.
- [50:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Thank you so much. I mean, he's.
- [50:47]
Sean Fennessy
It's a great bit. He's got a lot of great bits like that.
- [50:49]
Amanda Dobbins
All right.
- [50:52]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know if you feel strongly about any of these.
- [50:54]
Amanda Dobbins
I. So I have not seen the first Omen because of the. The childbirth stuff.
- [50:59]
Sean Fennessy
I'd like for you to watch it at some point because is. It is pretty scary and intense, but it's one of the. It's honest. It's just straight up one of the only horror movies made by a woman where you feel it, but it's not annoying about it.
- [51:14]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [51:15]
Sean Fennessy
You know what I mean?
- [51:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. Yeah.
- [51:16]
Sean Fennessy
It's not like Girl Power. It's like, what happens to women's bodies is insane.
- [51:20]
Amanda Dobbins
It is.
- [51:21]
Sean Fennessy
And it manifests that in a very creative and intense and gripping way.
- [51:27]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I. You know, not to steal from the indie spirits, but I also really liked Dee Dee.
- [51:33]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's my winner, too.
- [51:35]
Amanda Dobbins
And it. It also, like, did become, you know, a sensation. I don't know how widely it was seen, but I. Everyone I know who saw it, a lot of people sought it out and everyone loved it.
- [51:46]
Sean Fennessy
It feels. So. This might be. This might have been, like, Jerry rigged by Sean because he, you know, had a little bit of. He's been making movies since he was a kid, and he's had a little bit of a life before he made this movie. But it just feels like the first movie of a person's career where you're like, they're going to go on to make really great movies. Like when you see, like, Duel or Sugarland Express and you're with Spielberg and you're like, oh, they get it. They have a really strong point of view, Know how to tell a story. You know, how to get you invested in characters. I really like him. He's really impressive. And also, like, 27 or something. It's fucked up. That's good. We're on the same page with Dee Dee. Breakthrough performance. Now, this is one of the two categories where we're going a little crazy.
- [52:25]
Amanda Dobbins
Right. But the point of this is just to talk about as many fun performances.
- [52:30]
Sean Fennessy
I'm with you.
- [52:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Which is, like, something that the Oscars could really get on board with.
- [52:35]
Sean Fennessy
A few of these are very obvious if you've been listening to the show over the last year. Some of them, I think, are cool creative choices.
- [52:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [52:41]
Sean Fennessy
The nominee. Do you want to read the nominees?
- [52:44]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure. Well, I don't. You'll have to help me with some pronunciations. Okay. Ryan, Destiny, the Fire Inside. Willa Fitzgerald, Strange Darling, Juliet Gariepi, Gariepey Red Rooms, fred Hechinger, Gladiator 2, Thelma Nickel Boys and Kraven the Hunter. Did not know he was in Kraven the Hunter.
- [53:03]
Sean Fennessy
He is.
- [53:04]
Amanda Dobbins
John Earl Jelks exhibiting Forgiveness. David Johnson, Alien, Romulus, Bridget Lundy, Payne. I Saw the TV Glow. Clarence Macklin, Sing Sing. Aaron Pierre, Rebel Ridge. Maisie Stella. My Old Ass.
- [53:17]
Sean Fennessy
Now, I think Maisie Stella won this award at the Spirits for her performance in My Old Ass. Some really good ones here. I just wanted to put a circle around John Earl Jelks from exhibiting forgiveness, which a lot of people haven't seen and we didn't talk about on the show at all. It's a movie starring Andre Holland that was at Sundance in 2024. That is a solid drama about an artist. It has a lot of tropey, Sundance y aspects of it. But John Earl Jelks plays his father in the movie, and he's terrific. And I couldn't remember him from anything and wanted people to check the movie out for his work. Hechinger, you know, he cooked very funny in Gladiator 2.
- [53:52]
Amanda Dobbins
Just like a. We love when people just pop up in, like, 45 different movies and it's like, oh, it's happening.
- [53:58]
Sean Fennessy
And he's completely different in all four. In Thelma, he's just, like, so sweet.
- [54:03]
Amanda Dobbins
When I realized halfway through Gladiator 2 that he was the kid from Thelma, I was like, holy cow.
- [54:09]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, we didn't give Thelma enough love on the show last year. That's a really nice movie. Kraven the Hunter, he's not particularly great in, but his character is very amusing. And the way that that story is told is Bachelor.
- [54:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Is it not great or the.
- [54:22]
Sean Fennessy
He's fine.
- [54:23]
Amanda Dobbins
It's just not.
- [54:24]
Sean Fennessy
He's fine. He and Aaron Taylor Johnson are meant to be brothers, and then they become rivals. It's very silly. Nickel boys. He's very good in as well.
- [54:30]
Amanda Dobbins
It's concerning for me. But brothers that become rivals, you know, we need to not go that way.
- [54:36]
Sean Fennessy
You know, I never had that.
- [54:37]
Amanda Dobbins
That's true.
- [54:39]
Sean Fennessy
That's true.
- [54:40]
Amanda Dobbins
But you had multiple siblings, so.
- [54:44]
Sean Fennessy
I did. My sister and I could be rivalrous.
- [54:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, but it's also. It kind of, like, lessens the. It kind of spreads out the pressures and the strife, you know, it doesn't all have to be concentrated in one, like, deeply complicated relationship.
- [54:57]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Your boys are close in age, so they might be competitive with each other. You never know.
- [55:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [55:01]
Sean Fennessy
Depends on the vibe, I think. To me, it's between. I'll tell you what, I don't think you didn't see Strange Darling, right?
- [55:09]
Amanda Dobbins
I did see Strange Darling.
- [55:10]
Sean Fennessy
Did you see it?
- [55:10]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [55:11]
Sean Fennessy
We didn't talk about it on the show.
- [55:12]
Amanda Dobbins
We did talk about it.
- [55:13]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, we did.
- [55:14]
Amanda Dobbins
That's right.
- [55:15]
Sean Fennessy
When we came back from the break in August.
- [55:17]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, I saw it. I liked it.
- [55:18]
Sean Fennessy
Do you think Willa Fitzgerald was really good?
- [55:20]
Amanda Dobbins
I did.
- [55:21]
Sean Fennessy
Do you think she's competing with Aaron Pierre in Rebel Ridge?
- [55:24]
Amanda Dobbins
I was gonna say it's between Clarence Macklin and Aaron Pierre, so I think it's probably Aaron Pierre.
- [55:29]
Sean Fennessy
Clarence Macklin's great, too.
- [55:31]
Amanda Dobbins
He's so good and should be nominated at the Oscars and isn't which is just really dumb, in my opinion.
- [55:36]
Sean Fennessy
It is really annoying, I think. I mean, I think Juliette Gareppi in Red Rooms is also remarkable. Willow Fitzgerald, even if you didn't like Strange Darling or felt like the premise was contrived or whatever, or you got the twist and didn't enjoy it because you got the twist, I still think she's great.
- [55:52]
Amanda Dobbins
She's so good in it.
- [55:54]
Sean Fennessy
Tough one. I would say Aaron Pierre, because I feel like Aaron Pierre now. That's a rare case where that movie. A lot of people saw that movie. And so now I think he has a chance to become, like, a fixture of American movies. He also was the voice of Simba. No. Mufasa in Mufasa the Lion King.
- [56:11]
Amanda Dobbins
I have one other option for you, if you want, which is. No, no, no. I actually do think Aaron Pierre should probably be in Best Actor.
- [56:21]
Sean Fennessy
So who would you take out of there, though?
- [56:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I don't want to spoil it, so I'm just. Can you.
- [56:27]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, yeah, yeah, we'll hold that in terms of. So you want to give it to Clarence Macklin or Will Fitzgerald?
- [56:31]
Amanda Dobbins
I would give it to Will Fitzgerald if you want to. And then we'll put Aaron Pierre right here, as you can see in the document.
- [56:39]
Sean Fennessy
I'm not even gonna look. I don't want it.
- [56:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, okay.
- [56:41]
Sean Fennessy
I don't want it spoiled for me. I want to see what you're thinking. I like Will. I think it's a good pick. I think it's a good way to recognize a movie that we're not going to be. So we won't be repeating ourselves. The next category is a good one.
- [56:50]
Amanda Dobbins
It's incredible.
- [56:52]
Sean Fennessy
Best cameo.
- [56:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. So spoilers for the cinema of 2024.
- [56:58]
Sean Fennessy
Good point.
- [56:59]
Amanda Dobbins
You know, and I don't want to hear it. You know, if you don't want someone show. Well, there's one in particular where I'm like, oh, people will be mad, but I don't know how many people are going to see driveway dolls. If you don't want Drive Away dolls spoiled for you.
- [57:12]
Sean Fennessy
It's over a year old. Listen, that was a Valentine's Day movie last February, and you spent Valentine's Day with me and my wife watching.
- [57:20]
Amanda Dobbins
That was nice. I don't think that was actually Valentine's Day.
- [57:22]
Sean Fennessy
It was Valentine's Day. You were in our house alone, as I recall.
- [57:25]
Amanda Dobbins
It was an offer to come babysit for you guys sometime. Like, once the kids are fed, they can sit in your house, and I couldn't do it. But listen, I'M available. You know how people are. I just, I don't want to be responsible for your foes. Spoilers.
- [57:41]
Sean Fennessy
I just, I'm getting. I'm. We're done with that. More episodes this year that are long conversations about the movie. Part of it is my fault because I see movies too early and then we sit down and have a conversation about them and I'm like, I didn't take notes. I saw this movie three months ago.
- [57:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [57:55]
Sean Fennessy
So I am. I am making. So we're going to see movies starting with Mickey 17. I'm going to see the second time the day before we record.
- [58:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [58:02]
Sean Fennessy
And I guess I will have a long conversation about Mickey 17 on the pod.
- [58:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. I mean, I am looking forward to that. Will you forward me the screening info?
- [58:11]
Sean Fennessy
I'll be buying a ticket.
- [58:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, civilian.
- [58:13]
Sean Fennessy
Because it opens on the 7th and then we'll do it on the.
- [58:15]
Amanda Dobbins
On the Wednesday and then we'll do it on the. Oh, we'll do it on the Monday.
- [58:18]
Sean Fennessy
Yes.
- [58:19]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, great. Wow. How luxurious.
- [58:20]
Sean Fennessy
You like that?
- [58:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [58:22]
Sean Fennessy
Maybe we should be doing that more often. It's hard with big event movies.
- [58:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, but as you know, I like doing that.
- [58:26]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [58:27]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Spoilers Best kid. Keep it to yourself and be a grown up.
- [58:30]
Sean Fennessy
You want me to read these if you.
- [58:31]
Amanda Dobbins
If you get spoiled? Sure. Yeah.
- [58:33]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Kid Cudi trap. It's a great addition by you.
- [58:36]
Amanda Dobbins
Thank you.
- [58:37]
Sean Fennessy
Matt Damon. Drive Away Dolls. Fred Durst in sort of an extended cameo that becomes a real part in Y2K. Kristin Chenoweth and Idina Menzel in Wicked. Jane Fonda in the Greatest Love Story Never Told. Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls, the musical version. Jason Momoa in the Fall Guy and Wesley Snipes in Deadpool and Wolverine. There are obviously a number of contenders for Deadpool and Wolverine. Wesley was my favorite. Could have been Channing Tatum.
- [59:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Jennifer Garner. Garner absolutely being ignored.
- [59:06]
Sean Fennessy
She's got that. What's it called? Farmer's insurance money. Capital One money.
- [59:12]
Amanda Dobbins
The pouches.
- [59:13]
Sean Fennessy
One of the pouches.
- [59:14]
Amanda Dobbins
Because she has like a kid's, like kids food companies. She makes like a lot of pouches.
- [59:18]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, is that her company? What's the. What's like the. The standard farm?
- [59:20]
Amanda Dobbins
Once upon a farm.
- [59:21]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, Once upon a farm. Yeah, we do those.
- [59:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's Jennifer Garner.
- [59:24]
Sean Fennessy
Pretty good. Can't say I've tasted them.
- [59:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [59:26]
Sean Fennessy
But they are inhaled.
- [59:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. You have to keep them refrigerated, which is. That's not where we are in our lives.
- [59:33]
Sean Fennessy
You want to be. Have preservatives in all your food that you give to your children.
- [59:36]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, it's. We're just doing. Yeah. The regular. The applesauce. Yeah.
- [59:42]
Sean Fennessy
Bobby points out that Fred Durst was also in I saw the TV glow. He was 2 for 2 on A24 projects this year. This is a tough one. Now, which one of these made you laugh the most? Because that's a big part of the cameo part. Right?
- [59:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Definitely Kid Cudi.
- [59:58]
Sean Fennessy
Kid Cudi was hilarious.
- [59:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Just steals the.
- [60:01]
Sean Fennessy
Openly flirting with Josh Hartnett.
- [60:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Really, really funny. Matt Damon kind of makes the movie in Drive Away Dolls, but he also wins best cameo every year.
- [60:11]
Sean Fennessy
That's true. One of his favorite things to do.
- [60:13]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. It can't be Lindsay Lohan because it was sort of at her expense. And that makes me sad. Even though she's doing fine now.
- [60:19]
Sean Fennessy
She's doing very well.
- [60:20]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [60:20]
Sean Fennessy
She's making very popular Netflix Original Movies. I'll never watch. Did you watch Irish?
- [60:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Wish I didn't.
- [60:27]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [60:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [60:29]
Sean Fennessy
What do you think happened in that movie?
- [60:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Did she find love in Ireland?
- [60:33]
Sean Fennessy
Can't say.
- [60:33]
Amanda Dobbins
I hope so.
- [60:34]
Sean Fennessy
Amy Adams did that once. What was that movie? Leap Year.
- [60:36]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. With Matthew.
- [60:38]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [60:38]
Amanda Dobbins
Trust me, I've seen that one.
- [60:40]
Sean Fennessy
I'll bet.
- [60:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure you have, Noah Also really made.
- [60:43]
Sean Fennessy
I like this one a lot.
- [60:44]
Amanda Dobbins
This was. Was very good.
- [60:45]
Sean Fennessy
Very funny.
- [60:46]
Amanda Dobbins
I just want to say that Jane Fonda gives Jennifer Lopez some very prescient and useful life advice in the Greatest Love Story Never Told.
- [60:54]
Sean Fennessy
Like Priscilla.
- [60:56]
Amanda Dobbins
It's. She's literally just like Sue. Jane Fonda is there because she's one of the Zodiac Council in the musical. The. I don't remember what the musical. This is the documentary.
- [61:09]
Sean Fennessy
This is me now. Than.
- [61:10]
Amanda Dobbins
This is me now.
- [61:11]
Sean Fennessy
The movie.
- [61:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [61:13]
Sean Fennessy
This is me now. Then. The streaming movie on the global streaming platform.
- [61:16]
Amanda Dobbins
No, no, this is me now.
- [61:18]
Sean Fennessy
This is me now. Colon. This is Amazon, where you buy shit.
- [61:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Jennifer Lopez and also watch James Bond movies.
- [61:26]
Sean Fennessy
This is me now then. But now in the future tense of today.
- [61:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Right. And so Jane Fonda is on the Zodiac Council, which is a very normal sentence. And so is. So is. By the way, so is Post Malone. He's the Leo and he's incredible. And I almost. Yes, we have had this conversation on this podcast before, but he is incredible in the Greatest Love Story Never Told. Just, you know, respectfully hitting on Jennifer Lopez.
- [62:02]
Sean Fennessy
You know what's really hard for me to accept? That he was extremely solid filling in for Kurt Cobain and nirvana on the SNL50 music special. Like, honestly, it was pretty good.
- [62:12]
Amanda Dobbins
He's really. He's really good in this.
- [62:15]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [62:16]
Amanda Dobbins
So I. But, like, that's what made me understand post Malone. But anyway, Jane Fonda is there doing her lines and then. But she is also checking in with Jennifer Lopez about her romantic decisions. And it's like, but. And it's trying to be like, but we just want to be sure that you're okay, you know, and she's like. And so people, the interest is about you and your heart and. But also, like, is very quietly being like, you know, is your money tied up, you know, somewhere? And Jane Fonda turned out to be right.
- [62:46]
Sean Fennessy
So are you making a bid for Jane Fonda right now?
- [62:49]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I just, like, I wanted to put some context to that.
- [62:53]
Sean Fennessy
I think most people in America would say that Kristin Chenoweth and Idina Menzel should.
- [62:57]
Amanda Dobbins
I absolutely refuse to do that.
- [62:58]
Sean Fennessy
I'm not saying we should. I'm not saying that we should. This is our alternative Academy Awards.
- [63:03]
Amanda Dobbins
They can do what they want. They have the original soundtrack. They can listen to it all the time.
- [63:07]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. You seem very mad.
- [63:10]
Amanda Dobbins
I did not like that movie. And that was like a new song that they had written. I mean, they're very good.
- [63:15]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. I think it was a cover of Rammstein's duhast, as I recall.
- [63:19]
Amanda Dobbins
We are not giving it to Wiki.
- [63:21]
Sean Fennessy
I want to do Kid Cudi.
- [63:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. I love that.
- [63:24]
Sean Fennessy
I thought that was funny.
- [63:24]
Amanda Dobbins
It was really, really funny.
- [63:26]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. That's what I'm choosing.
- [63:27]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [63:27]
Sean Fennessy
No disrespect to Wesley's Knives, who I love, but okay. Best kid performance. I really. I got in my bag for this one.
- [63:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [63:34]
Sean Fennessy
I feel good about these picks. The bracket here is 17 years or younger.
- [63:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [63:40]
Sean Fennessy
I believe there did used to be a juvenile Oscar category many years ago on the Academy Awards. I think they should bring this back. The nominees this year. Would you like to read them?
- [63:48]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure. Grace Delaney, We Live in Time. Ian Foreman, I Saw the TV Glow. Dan Howe, Speak no Evil. Isaac Wang, Dee Zoe Ziegler, Janet Planet. My movie phone voice is getting pretty good.
- [64:01]
Sean Fennessy
I totally agree.
- [64:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Thank you so much.
- [64:02]
Sean Fennessy
You've been broadcasting professionally for almost 10 years.
- [64:06]
Amanda Dobbins
That is really horrifying when you put it like that. Haven't seen We Live in Time. Can't see it. I'm very sorry. I'm just too emotionally raw.
- [64:15]
Sean Fennessy
I need you to see it.
- [64:16]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I won't.
- [64:17]
Sean Fennessy
I need you to. I know I ask you to see movies all the time, but I need.
- [64:21]
Amanda Dobbins
You to see it.
- [64:22]
Sean Fennessy
I need to have a long conversation.
- [64:23]
Amanda Dobbins
With you about being manipulative and upsetting.
- [64:25]
Sean Fennessy
This show was made for this movie. It's an intersection in a way that most movies are not intersections. All the times I ask you to watch a fucking comic book movie and you come on and you're like, I'll do it. I'll ask questions about Marvel lore, but you won't watch a movie. I'm not even thinking you're gonna like it. You might hate it.
- [64:44]
Amanda Dobbins
No, but it's like, listen, I'm still, like. I don't. I try not to play this card too often, but, like, I'm still sort of like in the weird postpartum emotional zone.
- [64:52]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [64:53]
Amanda Dobbins
I like there's.
- [64:54]
Sean Fennessy
You're now saying I'm bullying you into doing this.
- [64:56]
Amanda Dobbins
I can't. No, I just. I'm trying to protect myself.
- [64:59]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [65:00]
Amanda Dobbins
And my heart's not ready.
- [65:01]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, then in exchange, you have to go see Brave New World again by yourself.
- [65:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Which one? Is that so bad? But I would take a really good nap, so you have to have the.
- [65:12]
Sean Fennessy
Clockwork Orange machine on your eyes. I think Zoe Ziegler is amazing in Janet Planet, so this would be my choice. A movie that I like that we didn't spend a lot of time on on the Show. Andy Baker's directorial debut. A movie about a mom and a young girl. Is she like nine in this movie? Eight or nine. Something like that. And she's extraordinary. So Zoe Ziegler will be our winner. No disrespect to Dan Huff, who seemingly. It looked like he had his tongue cut out to perform in Speak no Evil. It was a tough beat for him. Don't think he actually had his tongue cut out in real life.
- [65:44]
Amanda Dobbins
Hope not.
- [65:45]
Sean Fennessy
That would be not ideal. Best performance by a dog.
- [65:48]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [65:49]
Sean Fennessy
This is a very serious award show.
- [65:51]
Amanda Dobbins
So here's the thing. So Buy a Dog is really standing in to represent the whole animal community.
- [65:59]
Sean Fennessy
This. Here it is.
- [66:00]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [66:02]
Sean Fennessy
I'll read the nominees.
- [66:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [66:03]
Sean Fennessy
The nominees are the Night Bitches from Nightbitch. These are the dogs that follow the Night Bitch in charge, as portrayed by Amy Adams, the mother of a young child. Perhaps you're experiencing some night bitchery here on the show. Between the two of us, the next nominee is not a dog, but a cat. Frodo, the cat from a quiet place. Day one. This is the cat that trails Lupita and Young'o throughout the film. The next nominee is Dogpool. Yeah, this is a dog in Deadpool. And Wolverine, it's dressed up like Deadpool.
- [66:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [66:33]
Sean Fennessy
And then the fourth and final nominee, because we ran out of Animals is the rats from Nosferatu. 5,000 trained rats that ran through the streets of Germany trailing an ancient demon that wanted to fuck and drain the blood of Lily Rose Depp. In the movie Nosferatu.
- [66:51]
Amanda Dobbins
I just.
- [66:52]
Sean Fennessy
Like, this is. You're getting paid for this.
- [66:55]
Amanda Dobbins
There is a Sundance drama waiting that is the story of the rat trainer, starring Chris Ryan. And, like, we will win. And 5,000 train rats. And his hair's a little piece of. Oh, no. It needs to go right here.
- [67:14]
Sean Fennessy
I think they should win. Those rats were extraordinary. Their work touched me.
- [67:19]
Amanda Dobbins
How much do you know about their training? Like, what is the training?
- [67:22]
Sean Fennessy
Not very much, but I suspect that Robert Eggers knows a lot.
- [67:25]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [67:25]
Sean Fennessy
You know, he's in the weeds on that.
- [67:27]
Amanda Dobbins
They're not potty trained.
- [67:29]
Sean Fennessy
No. Well, that's part of the appeal, right?
- [67:30]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, but they are. They can.
- [67:32]
Sean Fennessy
The authentic nature of the race.
- [67:33]
Amanda Dobbins
They go where they need to go.
- [67:35]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. Which is everywhere.
- [67:37]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, you can give it to the rats.
- [67:40]
Sean Fennessy
Congratulations to the rats. Nice job by you guys. The rats, everybody. Cheers. Okay, the next category is Best Casting. Will you read the nominees, Amanda?
- [67:51]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. All we imagine is Light Blink Twice, the last stop at Yuma County Saturday Night, and Snack Shack.
- [67:57]
Sean Fennessy
I kind of went ham on this category. I was like, I'm trying to get some titles in here that we're not going to be able to recognize elsewhere. You added Blink Twice, which I thought was smart. That is a very good cast and a movie that I don't love.
- [68:08]
Amanda Dobbins
But you're excited every time someone else shows up.
- [68:10]
Sean Fennessy
You did watch Saturday Night.
- [68:12]
Amanda Dobbins
I did.
- [68:12]
Sean Fennessy
You hated it.
- [68:13]
Amanda Dobbins
I didn't hate it.
- [68:15]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Did you?
- [68:16]
Amanda Dobbins
I thought that the Chevy Chase guy was very good. And I, like, some of the other people in the film, have to be honest.
- [68:24]
Sean Fennessy
Corey. Michael Smith. The Chevy Chase name.
- [68:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. I thought a major role was miscast.
- [68:31]
Sean Fennessy
Just saying.
- [68:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, Gabriel Lubell is a great actor and way too young to be Lorne Michaels, and that stuck out a bit, but it's a good ensemble.
- [68:39]
Sean Fennessy
It's funny. I watched it on a plane for a second time, about two thirds of it. I wasn't able to finish it because the flight ended, but I still, like, really got dumped on. And I know that everybody has it out for Reitman and, you know. But I think it's entertaining. I think it's okay for it not to be a perfect movie. I don't know.
- [69:00]
Amanda Dobbins
No, it's fine for it to be a perfect movie. And you made the point that if you didn't know that it was Reitman that you would just kind of go along with it, Right? And I mostly went along with it. Like the. I felt that some of the quote unquote flourishes and the like were annoying, you know, And I was like, okay, yeah, I understand you're trying to recreate minute by minute and you're doing all your, like, fake oners. Yeah. Or I was just like. Like, I don't care about all this. And you're like, not that good at filmmaking. Respectfully. So, yeah. But yeah, sure. I like. I read the SNL book too, you know, I like that stuff. It's fun when there are famous people together in a room or talented young people playing famous people.
- [69:42]
Sean Fennessy
What do you think should win this category? You didn't see Last Stop at Yuma county, right?
- [69:46]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I didn't. And I still have not seen Snack Shack, which is.
- [69:49]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, that's. That's a good one.
- [69:51]
Amanda Dobbins
I know. Instead, I chose to watch Here last night, which we'll come back to.
- [69:55]
Sean Fennessy
Fuck yeah, we will.
- [69:58]
Amanda Dobbins
So, you know, we could do Saturday night. We could do Snack Shack. You could do Last Stop. I'll let you decide.
- [70:07]
Sean Fennessy
Thank you very much. That's very generous of you.
- [70:09]
Amanda Dobbins
You're so welcome.
- [70:11]
Sean Fennessy
Well, why don't we do Snack Shack? Since it is a smaller cast, but it does feature a great Gabriel LeBell performance. In fact, I would say as much as the Fabelman's a star making performance, also Connor Sherry, who is really the lead of the movie, he's amazing in the movie. Nick Robinson's very good in this movie. David Costabile from Billions and Gillian Vigman from Stepbrothers is the person I think of, is the role that I think of for her as Connor, Sherry's parents. And then Mika Abdallah is the love interest. And she's great too. Bunch of people I haven't seen before. A bunch of people here like, who is that? What's their name? So to me, that should speak to the greatness of this performance. So Snack Shack for best casting. Glad to get Snack Shack a W on the board. Okay. Best stunt action sequence.
- [70:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [70:57]
Sean Fennessy
You want to read them?
- [70:58]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I think it's your turn.
- [70:59]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, it's my turn to read them. Adam versus Lazarus, the Beekeeper. This is the crazy Kiwi guy at the end with the wild hair.
- [71:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, right. Okay.
- [71:09]
Sean Fennessy
No, not Kiwi. South African. Excuse me.
- [71:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Yeah, I remember this.
- [71:12]
Sean Fennessy
He's like, all right, Adam, we're gonna fight the high rise raid from Civil War, the Beaver brawl from Hundreds of Beavers, the war rig from Furiosa, Mad Max Saga and the movie theater from Twisters.
- [71:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [71:29]
Sean Fennessy
Did we forget anything here? This is a funky category.
- [71:31]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm sure that we did. And there is also a little bit of, like, are we gonna reward, like, you know, pure technical, like, filmmaking achievement, or are we gonna reward, like, the most fun that we had?
- [71:42]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, there's no John Wick 4 this year.
- [71:44]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. Which would be both.
- [71:45]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [71:47]
Amanda Dobbins
So it's really. I know where I go.
- [71:51]
Sean Fennessy
You wanna do the War Rig?
- [71:52]
Amanda Dobbins
No. I mean, that is obviously, like, the biggest. You know what? It took them, like, eight years and, you know.
- [72:00]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. You're gonna see the movie theater.
- [72:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I had the most fun with the movie theater, but I don't expect us to do that one. I'm just saying.
- [72:08]
Sean Fennessy
But I don't wanna put my thumb on the scale of every category. And I was, you know, I was. I was critical at times of Furiosa, but that scene in particular is as excited in a movie theater as I've been in a long time.
- [72:21]
Amanda Dobbins
I think that's fine. Okay.
- [72:23]
Sean Fennessy
Will you allow me that selection? Or you want to do Lazarus because you like the South African guy from the Beekeeper?
- [72:29]
Amanda Dobbins
No, that wasn't my favorite sequence in the Beekeeper. The opening sequence is my favorite, but that's not really an action sequence.
- [72:35]
Sean Fennessy
What was the opening sequence?
- [72:36]
Amanda Dobbins
That's when Phylicia Rashad gets scammed.
- [72:39]
Sean Fennessy
Right.
- [72:42]
Amanda Dobbins
And then the fake Hillary Clinton is running around later on. I liked that as well. And whatever.
- [72:46]
Sean Fennessy
She's kind of a Trump. Clinton. Yeah, well, she's like a businesswoman, you know, got into public office and then whatever.
- [72:56]
Amanda Dobbins
What's the PETA? Josh Hutchinson.
- [73:03]
Sean Fennessy
It's the little boy. Josh Hutcherson.
- [73:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Josh Hutcherson. That's why.
- [73:09]
Sean Fennessy
Come on. You got it. Only one hour left. Hang in there, Jack. Sanders needs to eat lunch so bad.
- [73:21]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm sorry, Jack. Okay. All right. Yeah. It should be the Warwick. You're right.
- [73:28]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, thank you. The Warwick Furiosa. Okay. Best ending. You can read the nominees.
- [73:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Challengers, do not expect too much from the end of the world here. Juror number two. Small things like these.
- [73:41]
Sean Fennessy
You added juror number two.
- [73:44]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [73:45]
Sean Fennessy
And that was it to this category. And then I was like, is this. Is this done for, or am I expected to add more here? I couldn't figure out what message you were trying to send me.
- [73:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I knew my vote.
- [73:56]
Sean Fennessy
I'm willing to accept that if you want that to be the win. I. I, having seen here, you felt.
- [74:01]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I will say that the ending, obviously is what brings it together? Like, I'm not gonna say that I wasn't moved by the last scene.
- [74:11]
Sean Fennessy
It's a fear. I was in tears.
- [74:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, of course I was like. But that's just. You can't have, like, that's gonna be.
- [74:20]
Sean Fennessy
Me wheeling you out.
- [74:22]
Amanda Dobbins
I know. Like, but you can't have, like, it's. It Tom Hanks being, like, the nice guy being like, oh, you know, of course I'm gonna cry. Like, I'm programmed to cry. Like, a lifetime of conditioning to cry the rest of the movie.
- [74:35]
Sean Fennessy
No, it's human nature.
- [74:36]
Amanda Dobbins
I think I texted you when, like, Benjamin Franklin rolled by, like, the weird colonial house in one of the boxes.
- [74:41]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, a lot of shit happened there. That's what it's called. I don't really feel it was Benjamin Franklin's son.
- [74:48]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, okay. Well, that movie did not work for me, even though the ending was very beautiful, but there was just something like.
- [74:58]
Sean Fennessy
When are you gonna get it together?
- [74:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Stilted about the performance for so long. I gave it a damn try. And I did think that the ending. But the ending is not commensurate with the rest of the experience.
- [75:10]
Sean Fennessy
What's the movie where it's like, we were counting on you. We were all counting on you. That's how I feel about you letting me down on here. I think juror number two is the right pick.
- [75:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes, of course it is. That's so good.
- [75:20]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, I love that ending. I did want to put do not expect too much from the end of the world in honor of Adam Naiman, who also loved juror number two. I'm sure he would appreciate that. But do not expect too much from the end of the world. The ending of the movie is 45 minutes long. It's very, very funny. Okay. Juror number two, congratulations. Congrats to Clint. I'm sure he's listening to this episode. Thank you for all you've done. Clint. The Glenn Close Memorial. It's time Oscar got a case of the giglies.
- [75:51]
Amanda Dobbins
I was imagining Clint, like, the podcast gets stuck on 2x and he's just like, what the heck is this?
- [75:56]
Sean Fennessy
You think he has wired headphones or AirPods?
- [75:58]
Amanda Dobbins
I hope so.
- [75:59]
Sean Fennessy
Big professional grade cans over his ears. Glenn Close Memorial. It's time. Oscar. Glenn Close still does not have an Academy Award. Sorry to her. It's a real shame. Don't think she's gonna get one anytime soon.
- [76:11]
Amanda Dobbins
This was really nice because we were in the dock at the same time, and I was, like, going to this to type in the name of our of this year's Glenn Close Memorial. It's Time Oscar. And you had already written it. And I was like, wow, Sometimes. Sometimes it's here and sometimes it's this moment that we have. So I'm so. I'm pleased and proud and a little bit honored because I did get to. I think I helped push this over the hill, you know, to announce.
- [76:39]
Sean Fennessy
Wait, I just take here out of your goddamn mouth for the future. Okay. Because that movie is very special to me, and I won't have you blaspheming it anymore.
- [76:48]
Amanda Dobbins
I was alone on a Friday afternoon at which local multiplex?
- [76:52]
Sean Fennessy
I think it was the Americana, the amc.
- [76:56]
Amanda Dobbins
All right.
- [76:57]
Sean Fennessy
I sat in the second row because all the seats were taken. I was the youngest man by about 30 years in the screening. And we were all crying.
- [77:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [77:06]
Sean Fennessy
Beautiful couples surrounding me, Angelenos alike, who admired the craft.
- [77:11]
Amanda Dobbins
What movie did I text you from recently where there was someone just, like, openly sobbing at the end of the movie?
- [77:16]
Sean Fennessy
Is it Kraven the Hunter?
- [77:18]
Amanda Dobbins
It'll come to me.
- [77:18]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. The winner of the Glenn Close Time Oscar is Michael Keaton. Yeah. He performed in three films and directed one of those films in 2024.
- [77:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [77:30]
Sean Fennessy
Goodrich, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. And Knox Goes Away. Which is he getting this award for?
- [77:37]
Amanda Dobbins
I think for Goodrich.
- [77:40]
Sean Fennessy
I think so, too. But it could be Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
- [77:41]
Amanda Dobbins
It could be both. Why can't it be both? Like, we're in charge.
- [77:44]
Sean Fennessy
But Knox goes away, you think should be abolished. You think it should go away?
- [77:48]
Amanda Dobbins
I do. I was not my favorite of his performances or his efforts. Efforts this year.
- [77:52]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [77:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Goodrich is great. People are really are coming on the Goodrich train.
- [77:57]
Sean Fennessy
It's very good. It's on max. Watch it now. Quality film. Those are the nine goofball awards that we've created. Congratulations to Keaton. Where do you think he's partying tonight? At the after party, where do you think he's had an In N Out burger?
- [78:09]
Amanda Dobbins
I think he's, like. He's, like, really into cycling, I think.
- [78:14]
Sean Fennessy
Cycling?
- [78:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [78:15]
Sean Fennessy
Isn't he a man in his 70s?
- [78:17]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, yeah, but I think he's in great shape.
- [78:18]
Sean Fennessy
You know, I feel that cycling.
- [78:20]
Amanda Dobbins
How?
- [78:20]
Sean Fennessy
Not a fan.
- [78:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [78:21]
Sean Fennessy
Don't like it.
- [78:22]
Amanda Dobbins
So you know how I feel about people who wear spandex to do cycling as, like, a organized group and threaten other pedestrians, which is really negative. I. No one needs your peloton, okay? People using any type of cycle to get from point A to B is great.
- [78:40]
Sean Fennessy
What about city bikes?
- [78:42]
Amanda Dobbins
I Feel good about those.
- [78:43]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, let's go to the seven core categories at our award show. The first is Best screenplay.
- [78:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [78:50]
Sean Fennessy
The nominees are Justin Karitzkas. Challengers. Mike Lee. Hard Truths. Richard Linklater and Glen Powell. Hitman. Kelly O'Sullivan, Ghost Light. And Aaron Shinberg. A Different Man. Any of these movies could have been nominated for Academy Award. Yeah, they probably should have been. Maybe all of them should have been. Tricky one. Our guy, Glenn. Yeah, Nice to see him here. His first alternative Oscar.
- [79:13]
Amanda Dobbins
Is it his first?
- [79:14]
Sean Fennessy
Maybe it's not.
- [79:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Surely he was nominated for Top Gun, Maverick in some capacity.
- [79:20]
Sean Fennessy
Best Dickhead. What was the category that he was nominated in?
- [79:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Supporting.
- [79:24]
Sean Fennessy
Supporting Actor.
- [79:25]
Amanda Dobbins
Could have been best Ending. He doesn't take that prize, but he. Well, he could share in it.
- [79:32]
Sean Fennessy
I think that prize goes to Tom.
- [79:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [79:34]
Sean Fennessy
Or to Chris McQuarrie.
- [79:35]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [79:36]
Sean Fennessy
Tough one here. I'm inclined to acknowledge Mike Lee at the end of his career.
- [79:41]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I am as well.
- [79:43]
Sean Fennessy
Not saying he's dying or anything.
- [79:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [79:46]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know how many more movies he's gonna make. Dick Pope, his great cinematographer, passed away this year.
- [79:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Is this where you want to do it? Is all I would say, because we have more awards.
- [79:55]
Sean Fennessy
Intriguing. You would like to give Justin Karitzka some love for challengers.
- [79:59]
Amanda Dobbins
I do love that movie, as do you.
- [80:02]
Sean Fennessy
I do. And I think an incredible romp. If Wesley were here today, he would say. He does not.
- [80:08]
Amanda Dobbins
He does not. Yeah. So we. We have a little bit more freedom in the challengers. I'm just wondering whether Hard Truth is going to get some other love. So I think that Aaron Shinberg should have been nominated for A Different man as well. But I think Justin Kurzkee's Mike Lee and Aaron Shinburg all should have been nominated for real Oscars. So I agree. You know, I agree.
- [80:27]
Sean Fennessy
I would do Aaron Shinberg.
- [80:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. As long as we make sure to acknowledge that movie had a great ending, too.
- [80:34]
Sean Fennessy
We didn't put it in best ending.
- [80:35]
Amanda Dobbins
It does at the restaurant. It's really, really funny. Yeah.
- [80:38]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [80:38]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [80:39]
Sean Fennessy
All right.
- [80:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Great.
- [80:40]
Sean Fennessy
Aaron Shinberg for A Different man, which is, I believe, also streaming on Max right now. And if people have not seen it, they should check that movie out if you want to see great performances. Best Supporting Actor.
- [80:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [80:50]
Sean Fennessy
I like this category quite a bit.
- [80:52]
Amanda Dobbins
You like the list of people that we've. I think it's my turn.
- [80:55]
Sean Fennessy
You're right.
- [80:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. George McKay, the Beast. Clarence Macklin. Sing Sing. James McAvoy, Speak no Evil. Adam Pearson, A Different man. And Jesse Plemons. Civil War.
- [81:06]
Sean Fennessy
Now, this is tough. I think Clarence Macklin agree with you. Should have been nominated for an Oscar. Could have given him breakthrough performance. Could have recognized that all the way across. Jesse Plemons in Civil War is a radioactive, powerful, naturally occurring element that when you watch that movie, even if, like, you. You didn't believe that movie for a.
- [81:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Minute, you still were like, that one scene is completely.
- [81:30]
Sean Fennessy
It's like it is.
- [81:31]
Amanda Dobbins
And it's him. And if he were in the rest of the movie, you'd be like, oh, maybe I would.
- [81:36]
Sean Fennessy
He is carrying it.
- [81:37]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [81:38]
Sean Fennessy
And he does this. You know, he's very funny in kinds of kindness as well. I think he went best actor at Cannes this year. He did. Where he's just. There's something very deeply unsettling about whatever's going on in his mind. He did this as far back as Breaking Bad when he was playing Todd. And it's only one scene.
- [81:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [81:56]
Sean Fennessy
But it's one of the only scenes that tells us what's really going on. And it's pretty clear what's really going on.
- [82:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [82:01]
Sean Fennessy
Who occupies what side, et cetera, et cetera. And I don't want to take anything away from Clarence Macklin because that Sing Sing is his movie in so many ways, and I think he should win. Supporting performance is an interesting category that is largely unexamined. And I think it would be more interesting if more frequently there were more parts like this that were going into the awards race. Some of the great winners are like this Beatrice Strait and Network is the one I always talk about where she gets one scene and otherwise she's just like, oh, hey, how you doing? To her husband in the kitchen, or whatever, and that's it. And I just want to make a note about that. I think Adam Pearson's great and indifferent. Man, he's wonderful. George Mackay is doing some crazy shit in the Beast. Very weird, hard performance.
- [82:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, right. George Mackay. I apologize for mispronouncing his name. He's like, very. Because I was on Harris Dickinson Instagram. We'll come back to it.
- [82:49]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [82:50]
Amanda Dobbins
But then I get a lot of George Mackay contact. Well, the Chicken Shop thing, you know, did he go on Chicken Shop? He did.
- [82:57]
Sean Fennessy
Did they flirt?
- [82:58]
Amanda Dobbins
They did. Anyway, what's her deal? I don't really know. I think it's one of those. I think I'm too old for this situation. Okay.
- [83:07]
Sean Fennessy
I think she's an official ambassador at the Academy Awards. Oh, so she's like one of the hosts. That's how they young it up. Have Emilia De Moldenberg, I believe her name is.
- [83:16]
Amanda Dobbins
So she's gonna. They're gonna like, cut to her and.
- [83:19]
Sean Fennessy
She'Ll be like, I think it's in the pre show. So no offense to her, but don't watch her. Watch us on YouTube.
- [83:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. Okay.
- [83:24]
Sean Fennessy
On Sunday at 2:30pm PST, James McAvoy.
- [83:27]
Amanda Dobbins
As always, completely delightful.
- [83:29]
Sean Fennessy
He cooks and the movie doesn't work at all without him. It's category fraud. Putting him in this category because the movie's kind of on his shoulders.
- [83:35]
Amanda Dobbins
I guess so.
- [83:35]
Sean Fennessy
But he's not the. He's not a perspective.
- [83:37]
Amanda Dobbins
I remember sitting there watching it being like, Best Sporting actor, like James McAvoy.
- [83:41]
Sean Fennessy
Really?
- [83:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah. I mean, he sings eternal flames, so that is the way to my heart.
- [83:45]
Sean Fennessy
He was great. Okay, Clarence Macklin's our winner, right?
- [83:47]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [83:48]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. We'll give it to Clarence Macklin. It's a solid win for Clarence McAvoy. Better luck next year, buddy. Hope you do some great shit. Best Supporting Actress, another good category here. Joan Chen for Dee Dee. Jodie Comer for the Bike Riders.
- [84:03]
Amanda Dobbins
I like the voice.
- [84:04]
Sean Fennessy
Angenue Ellis Taylor for Nickel Boys. Carol Kane for Between the Temples and Aubrey Plaza for Megalopolis.
- [84:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [84:11]
Sean Fennessy
This one for your boy. I don't know. What do you think?
- [84:18]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, this one, we like to have fun here at the Alternative Academy Awards, AKA the big picks, but this should just go to Aunjanue Alice Taylor.
- [84:27]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [84:27]
Amanda Dobbins
I think she's like, what are we doing?
- [84:28]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know why she's not nominated.
- [84:31]
Amanda Dobbins
I don't either. Too small a part, I guess.
- [84:35]
Sean Fennessy
Or didn't see that movie.
- [84:37]
Amanda Dobbins
I get enough people. Yeah, the broader.
- [84:39]
Sean Fennessy
I know it's a packed category or whatever, but it's just been Zoe Saldania all the way down, and I don't know. Okay, I'm down with Angenue Ellis Taylor, Best Actor. You ready to read these names? Oh, I see what you're doing. This is just crazy what you're trying to pull, but I'll let you do it.
- [84:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, we've already awarded it, so.
- [84:58]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, go ahead.
- [84:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Best Actor. Just an Incredible list. Josh O'Connor. Challengers. Harris Dickinson, Baby Girl. Hugh Grant, Heretic. Josh Hartnett, Trapp. And Aaron Pierre, Rebel Ridge.
- [85:12]
Sean Fennessy
Now, who did Aaron Pierre replace?
- [85:13]
Amanda Dobbins
Nicholas Hoult, Juror number two.
- [85:15]
Sean Fennessy
So juror number two is already on.
- [85:16]
Amanda Dobbins
This is a no cucks list.
- [85:18]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, I thought it was a Men Amanda wants to share a bed with list.
- [85:22]
Amanda Dobbins
You know, so it's like we're overlapping.
- [85:26]
Sean Fennessy
Josh O'Connor and challengers you like a guy like that?
- [85:30]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, the thing about that performance is that it's not the type of person that you're, you know, like, get your shit together. Why are you being like this? Whatever. But there's something so magnetic about what he's doing.
- [85:44]
Sean Fennessy
He looks like he really smells.
- [85:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, he does. But, like, we've all been 25, you know.
- [85:49]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, sure. So not me, but everybody else.
- [85:53]
Amanda Dobbins
He's so good, even if it's like, not really my type.
- [85:56]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [85:56]
Amanda Dobbins
I would like also, you know, Aaron Pierre is, like, very solid in a way that is not normally my, you know, type.
- [86:04]
Sean Fennessy
But I mean, he's objectively a handsome man.
- [86:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. I mean, like I said, undeniable.
- [86:10]
Sean Fennessy
This is quite a crew. Yeah, I've been meaning to revisit a heretic. I like the first half so much.
- [86:17]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. And then it kind of does what it has to do. Or doesn't. Or it kind of goes all over Hartnett. I mean, that's the most fun. It probably should be Josh O'Connor, but we can do challengers later. Oh, I mean, we don't have to, but.
- [86:34]
Sean Fennessy
No, no.
- [86:35]
Amanda Dobbins
If we're, like, sharing the wealth.
- [86:37]
Sean Fennessy
No, I'm with you.
- [86:40]
Amanda Dobbins
We have already honored Trap.
- [86:45]
Sean Fennessy
That's why I was going to say Aaron Pierre. Makes sense. Because I don't think we have another place to honor Rebel Bridge. Unless you want to give that Best Picture.
- [86:52]
Amanda Dobbins
I don't think I want to give that Best Picture.
- [86:54]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, so then my instinct would be Aaron Pierre.
- [86:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, I'm good with that.
- [86:58]
Sean Fennessy
And you cucked out Nicholas Hoult, even though he gave great performances across the board this year. He's great in the order.
- [87:03]
Amanda Dobbins
He's great.
- [87:04]
Sean Fennessy
He was in a third film that I can't recall at the moment.
- [87:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Nosferatu.
- [87:09]
Sean Fennessy
Nosferatu. Of course. He's great in that too. Cucking out.
- [87:15]
Amanda Dobbins
I don't know. It's gotta be. These five are really important.
- [87:19]
Sean Fennessy
You're saying you would not share a bed with Nicholas Holt?
- [87:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Is that no cucks?
- [87:25]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Aaron Pierre, Rebel Rich. Congratulations to you. Congratulations to that streaming film Best Actress.
- [87:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [87:32]
Sean Fennessy
You're reading.
- [87:34]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I just did. It's your turn.
- [87:35]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Marianne Jean Baptiste, Hard Truths. Nicole Kidman. Baby Girl Vicki Crepes the Dead Don't Hurt Lupita Nyong'o. A Quiet Place, Day one. And Lily Rose Depp. Nosferatu.
- [87:46]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, Marianne Jean Baptiste without, like a. This is the Best Actress winner for both of us. Irl. Like, she should be nominated. She should be winning.
- [87:56]
Sean Fennessy
Psychotic.
- [87:57]
Amanda Dobbins
I was just absolutely knocked over by this movie, which I saw later, and I saw it like a week after the fires, so I think I was like, in a pretty emotional place. But the, like, the combination of, like, electric anger and despair is like, I've never. You've never seen anything like it. It instantly, instantly memorable. Amazing movie. Not, like, uplifting.
- [88:31]
Sean Fennessy
No, it's a very hard movie to watch. It's a very hard movie to recommend to people at a time when some people are feeling really down. It's a very real movie. As with all Mike Lee movies, he kind of scratches at something about the nature of existence that feels very true and feels like you're sitting in front of someone.
- [88:51]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [88:51]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know how he does that in movie after movie, but he's obviously got a working relationship with Mary and John Baptiste. They worked together on secrets and lies 30 years ago, and I don't think they'd worked together since. And Pansy, the character that she plays, and I'm talking about this because we haven't talked about the movie really on the pod. Unlike almost any character you'll encounter in a movie as a protagonist, she's a deeply unhappy person, deeply difficult person. The movie does not provide answers or even psychologize her specifically. It doesn't confront you with whatever her trauma might be and say, this is why things are this way. This is why. This is how. It doesn't say, oh, she has depression or she's bipolar or. It doesn't tell you any of those things. It doesn't. It almost tells you, don't think that way. Like, that. Empathy is understood in a different way, which is don't just assume that everybody who's difficult should be sent to hell immediately, which is tough stuff. It's hard for people to accept that, I think. And even watching the character, I think I mentioned this to you once before, but the scene in the furniture store, the sofa.
- [89:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [89:55]
Sean Fennessy
Where like, we've all been there. We've all witnessed someone do that. We've all witnessed someone do that to a server at a restaurant where someone is just needlessly rude and aggressive and pursuing conflict. And you're like, what the fuck is this person's problem? And ultimately it is her fault. I mean, it is her life. These are her decisions. But there's much more that goes into being alive, I think, than just, I'm happy today or I'm sad today. Yeah. So just a very complex, deep, but also very simple, like 90 minute character study.
- [90:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [90:30]
Sean Fennessy
Great movie.
- [90:31]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, absolutely heartbreaking.
- [90:33]
Sean Fennessy
Mariana Baptiste. Congratulations. Wish more people saw hard truths. I guess it will stream somewhere.
- [90:40]
Amanda Dobbins
I hope so. Hulu, though, again, it's like, fire this up.
- [90:44]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. For a lot of laughs.
- [90:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. I mean, I guess it's not funny funny. It's the type of uncomfortable where you might. Someone like me might laugh out of discomfort and like. Oh, my gosh. Why is the scene.
- [90:58]
Sean Fennessy
A couple of scenes are like that.
- [90:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [91:00]
Sean Fennessy
Any scene that happens with the family is really the son and the father, or even the extended family with her sister and her nieces. Pretty bracing stuff. Yes. Anyhow, Best Director.
- [91:13]
Amanda Dobbins
Mike Cheslick. Hundreds of Beavers. Robert Eggers, Nosferatu. Luca Guadagnino, Challengers. Pascal Plant, Red Rooms. Helena Rain, Baby Girls. Baby Girl. Baby Girls will be the sequel. I know. Sign me right up. Yeah.
- [91:27]
Sean Fennessy
Will that be more cougars getting dominated by young interns?
- [91:32]
Amanda Dobbins
It's just what's next for Harris Dickinson.
- [91:35]
Sean Fennessy
I bet it is. This is our second to last award of the night. I don't know who wins this. We already represented Nosferatu with those rats.
- [91:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [91:46]
Sean Fennessy
You know, Karitzkas sitting on challengers. This is why you shouldn't have given it to Karitkas, because you needed to take it.
- [91:51]
Amanda Dobbins
I didn't give it to Karitzkas.
- [91:52]
Sean Fennessy
Who'd we give it to?
- [91:53]
Amanda Dobbins
We gave it to Aaron Schoenberg.
- [91:55]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, you're right.
- [91:55]
Amanda Dobbins
For different reasons.
- [91:56]
Sean Fennessy
So we haven't given Challengers anything yet.
- [91:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. So, I mean, we can do it here.
- [92:00]
Sean Fennessy
Wow.
- [92:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Or. Or we could do Helena Rain.
- [92:04]
Sean Fennessy
Or.
- [92:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Or you want to do Nosferatu.
- [92:08]
Sean Fennessy
No.
- [92:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [92:09]
Sean Fennessy
No. I think he directed that movie beautifully.
- [92:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [92:12]
Sean Fennessy
But if you choose Luca, can you really choose Challengers as best.
- [92:16]
Amanda Dobbins
No. That's what I was saying.
- [92:17]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [92:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Helena Rain for Baby Girl.
- [92:20]
Sean Fennessy
I'm with it.
- [92:21]
Amanda Dobbins
And then. And then.
- [92:23]
Sean Fennessy
Well, we'll see.
- [92:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [92:25]
Sean Fennessy
Helena Rain for Baby Girl.
- [92:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [92:26]
Sean Fennessy
Best Director. Great. I'm with it. Mike Cheslick. Just want to give him some respect for making Hundreds of Beavers, which is insane. It's a live action Looney Tunes movie. It's an almost two hour movie about a guy fighting hundreds of beavers. This is cinema to me. To me, this is cinema. Okay. Best Picture. Now, we didn't really sort out the true long list. I attempted to cut it down somewhat.
- [92:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [92:50]
Sean Fennessy
I didn't get it all the way down to 10. To 10.
- [92:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [92:55]
Sean Fennessy
Did I cut anything that you see that is intriguing? Like, for example, I don't have Horizon Part 1 on here for the same reason that I don't really like the Wicked part One aspect of Things.
- [93:05]
Amanda Dobbins
So that's the only reason.
- [93:08]
Sean Fennessy
Horizon part one rocks. I really hope I can see part two soon. Yeah, I hope Netflix picks up three and four, because it doesn't seem like anybody else will. Okay, it's been rumored and it performed magnificently on the Netflix streaming service. Did you hear about that?
- [93:24]
Amanda Dobbins
I did.
- [93:25]
Sean Fennessy
We had friends at the premiere of Part two. They said, home run. You did it, Kev.
- [93:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Kev, meanwhile, was sitting next to Cher at SNL50.
- [93:34]
Sean Fennessy
Kev watching Cher at SNL50. Music special. First of all, Cherry, if I could turn back time at 77 years old or whatever.
- [93:43]
Amanda Dobbins
Alzheimer.
- [93:44]
Sean Fennessy
What the fuck, dude? Yeah, she looked amazing. Her voice sounded good. Yeah, like there are 32 year old pop singers who sound like shit live. Cher's in her mid-70s.
- [93:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, she's Cher.
- [93:55]
Sean Fennessy
I, I, trust me, I get it. And I'm a fan. I've always been a fan, but I was blown away. And there's the reaction shot of Costner in the audience being like, what the fuck? Blown away by her. Anyway, Horizon, not nominated by us. Sorry, Sorry, Kev. Good luck on part two. I listed 11 movies.
- [94:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, well, we can have 11. It's our awards show.
- [94:21]
Sean Fennessy
I'll list the 11. The bike riders. Challengers. Civil War. A Different Man. Evil does not Exist. A Hamaguchi film. Hard Truths here. Don't say shit. Hitman, Nosferatu, Rebel ridge. It's actually 12 red rooms. And Sing Sing.
- [94:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, my thing about here is, like, why were they all acting like that? Like, everyone but Tom Hanks.
- [94:50]
Sean Fennessy
I love you for like six straight hours.
- [94:53]
Amanda Dobbins
But why?
- [94:54]
Sean Fennessy
What do you mean?
- [94:55]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, those are good actors.
- [94:56]
Sean Fennessy
Why are they acting in that manner? Yes, it's dramaturgy. What do you want me to tell you?
- [95:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I didn't. It didn't work for me.
- [95:04]
Sean Fennessy
So you're saying here wins.
- [95:10]
Amanda Dobbins
Let's see. We know. I think it should go to challengers. I would also consider Hard truths. But we are trying to spread the love of.
- [95:22]
Sean Fennessy
We're spreading the love.
- [95:23]
Amanda Dobbins
So we already did Marianne Baptiste. We did Clarence Macklet for Sing Sing, the Rats for Nosferatu. Hitman did not get any awards. And we did like it very much. Did I like it more than I liked Challengers?
- [95:37]
Sean Fennessy
I didn't.
- [95:38]
Amanda Dobbins
I didn't.
- [95:39]
Sean Fennessy
I liked Hitman.
- [95:41]
Amanda Dobbins
I liked Hitman a lot. I liked Rebel Ridge. But we've already honored Aaron Pierre.
- [95:45]
Sean Fennessy
Rebel Ridge rocks.
- [95:46]
Amanda Dobbins
I liked A Different Man. But we've already honored Aaron Schoenberg. I didn't like Civil War.
- [95:57]
Sean Fennessy
I say this like every every other Episode. But I will be proved right on that one.
- [96:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [96:02]
Sean Fennessy
I think that movie is going to be a big deal long term. I could be wrong.
- [96:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [96:07]
Sean Fennessy
But I don't think so.
- [96:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. There are many things that are like a big deal, you know, that are still really stupid. So.
- [96:14]
Sean Fennessy
Could be true.
- [96:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Could be true. I won't be voting for it for best picture in the big picks in 2023.
- [96:20]
Sean Fennessy
What if I just would not move off of Civil War? And we just stood here for four hours and I was like, this is the only place where this prize can go in my heart.
- [96:27]
Amanda Dobbins
Tell you what, was not eligible for best ending. Civil War.
- [96:32]
Sean Fennessy
I thought it was funny.
- [96:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [96:34]
Sean Fennessy
I thought it was a funny ending.
- [96:35]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Great job.
- [96:37]
Sean Fennessy
It was like, what a joke this society is. We just murdered the president.
- [96:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [96:42]
Sean Fennessy
With a camera in our hands. Okay. If you haven't seen Civil War, that was a spoiler.
- [96:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. I like the bike riders, but I don't think it needs to win here. It won number three on my top five list.
- [96:53]
Sean Fennessy
But would that have changed if you'd seen some other films?
- [96:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [96:56]
Sean Fennessy
You hadn't seen Nickel Boy's the Brutalist.
- [96:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Hard Truths would definitely have been on there. I'm trying to think what else.
- [97:04]
Sean Fennessy
You wouldn't say that the Bike Riders is better than the Brutalist, right?
- [97:07]
Amanda Dobbins
No, of course not. But when I'm making my list, I can do whatever I want.
- [97:12]
Sean Fennessy
That's true.
- [97:13]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [97:14]
Sean Fennessy
You will always have that. Right.
- [97:16]
Amanda Dobbins
I hadn't seen Baby Girl. Baby Girl's not on this list, but that's okay.
- [97:21]
Sean Fennessy
Didn't even realize that.
- [97:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. I think it should be Challengers. We loved Challengers.
- [97:25]
Sean Fennessy
It's Challengers. Of course it's Challengers. My third favorite movie of the year.
- [97:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. My second favorite movie of the year.
- [97:31]
Sean Fennessy
Behind the Brutalist.
- [97:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes, exactly. How did you know? Especially the second half.
- [97:35]
Sean Fennessy
Challengers is great.
- [97:36]
Amanda Dobbins
I really like the dining room scene.
- [97:37]
Sean Fennessy
I don't think.
- [97:38]
Amanda Dobbins
And I spoiled it on the Academy Twitter account. So.
- [97:43]
Sean Fennessy
Challengers don't get the blowback. I can understand people saying they don't love it as much as we do.
- [97:51]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's fine.
- [97:51]
Sean Fennessy
The. This is bad stuff. Don't get it.
- [97:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, they don't know how to have fun.
- [97:55]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [97:56]
Amanda Dobbins
You know? And we know how to have fun.
- [97:58]
Sean Fennessy
Zendaya, Mike Feist, Josh O'Connor, Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross Karitskis, Luka Churros. Churros.
- [98:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Nike activewear.
- [98:09]
Sean Fennessy
Whatever Zendaya is wearing in all those scenes. Yeah, the skincare. What do you like.
- [98:14]
Amanda Dobbins
What's the Augustinus Bader?
- [98:15]
Sean Fennessy
Yep.
- [98:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [98:16]
Sean Fennessy
That's huge. Those watches that they're selling. Yeah, the fake TV program I told you.
- [98:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Sold by Loewe. Maybe I should have ordered that for Oscar night. It's too late now.
- [98:28]
Sean Fennessy
In the event that you win. If you lose, though, that could be very embarrassing. What, wearing an I told you T shirt?
- [98:35]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I would just be wearing it for challengers.
- [98:38]
Sean Fennessy
I don't understand.
- [98:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Just to honor challengers. Because the Oscars didn't, you know.
- [98:41]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, a silent protest.
- [98:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes, exactly.
- [98:46]
Sean Fennessy
It's not too late for challengers. Well, I opened my Challengers Pop up on Fairfax so you could just swing by, pick up some of that.
- [98:55]
Amanda Dobbins
I would love for you to run a pop up on Fairfax and just watch you interacting with the.
- [99:00]
Sean Fennessy
What do you mean? Golf playing. That's what I do. I've been there since day one. Odd future.
- [99:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Yeah.
- [99:06]
Sean Fennessy
Check my resume.
- [99:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, great.
- [99:08]
Sean Fennessy
I'm not new to this.
- [99:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [99:09]
Sean Fennessy
Me and Tyler. Way back.
- [99:10]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [99:11]
Sean Fennessy
Way back. Pitchfork.com, my friend. Challengers a very worthy winner. What other films could have been nominated but weren't? Furiosa.
- [99:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [99:23]
Sean Fennessy
Trap.
- [99:25]
Amanda Dobbins
We loved it.
- [99:26]
Sean Fennessy
The Beast.
- [99:27]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [99:27]
Sean Fennessy
Juror number two.
- [99:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [99:29]
Sean Fennessy
Love Lies Bleeding.
- [99:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Good.
- [99:34]
Sean Fennessy
I'm not gonna do that game with you anymore. Say movie titles. You say adjectives. Or affirmative or non. Affirmative.
- [99:43]
Amanda Dobbins
I liked it.
- [99:45]
Sean Fennessy
What really got snubbed here this year.
- [99:47]
Amanda Dobbins
You mean from our.
- [99:49]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. You won't watch Wheelow in time so we couldn't recognize that film.
- [99:52]
Amanda Dobbins
Right. You're very upset about here.
- [99:55]
Sean Fennessy
And I just think these takes are bullshit. I got Bobby leaving notes in the comments about how poorly written the movie is. Settle down, Bob, all right? Just respect cinema. That's all I ask. There he is. I tried to respect the cinema. I tried really hard. I watched it at home. I was locked in.
- [100:12]
Amanda Dobbins
I did as well.
- [100:14]
Sean Fennessy
I love the format. I was sad that I didn't get to see it in a theater. And then about 48 minutes in, I was like, what are these scenes? It's like one pass of dialogue and then we're just going, yeah, sorry. You guys are simpletons. Thinking too much. I do agree with that. Ending is sick. Very sad. Very sad.
- [100:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, of course it is.
- [100:34]
Sean Fennessy
We're all going to chair in an empty room. It reminded me of my first confession. That's how we did it at my church. Because they didn't have enough money for a real confessional booth.
- [100:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Wow. I mean, that is.
- [100:43]
Sean Fennessy
That's a movie. That's a brush part Two.
- [100:48]
Amanda Dobbins
I think we did a great job.
- [100:49]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [100:50]
Amanda Dobbins
You know, we represented most of our favorites.
- [100:53]
Sean Fennessy
Should we add best kill? Because there's a kill in a violent nature where a grappling hook goes inside of a girl and then they pull out her intestines at the edge of a cliff.
- [101:05]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I guess I wouldn't have a lot to contribute to that particular.
- [101:09]
Sean Fennessy
What if we just showed you those scenes for the first time and filmed you?
- [101:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. I mean, that would be fine.
- [101:14]
Sean Fennessy
That's kind of a good bit.
- [101:16]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [101:16]
Sean Fennessy
Is that a good Amanda in the Void where we run the scene right beside the reaction shot of her face? I think that would work. Did we just find our syllabus for Amanda? I don't know.
- [101:26]
Amanda Dobbins
But what if I'm just like, huh, that seems bad.
- [101:28]
Sean Fennessy
You know, that sounds good.
- [101:30]
Amanda Dobbins
Sometimes when you and Chris. Because I listen to all of your, like, horror movie recaps, even though I've never seen the movies and have no intention of them, but then sometimes they'll be talking about a movie I have seen and you guys are describing the kills and, like.
- [101:43]
Sean Fennessy
And we're like, oh, my God.
- [101:45]
Amanda Dobbins
But, you know, there's a level of detail where I'm just like, did I just, like, go to sleep? Like, I, you know, and I saw it, but I guess I'm looking for something different. Yeah.
- [101:54]
Sean Fennessy
Old bear trap.
- [101:54]
Amanda Dobbins
That's true for anything that is not, you know, personal human interaction.
- [101:59]
Sean Fennessy
That's right. If it is depraved on film.
- [102:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Right.
- [102:03]
Sean Fennessy
I can remember it. If it is emotional and connected to the real world.
- [102:06]
Amanda Dobbins
That's why you liked here is because it's someone explaining to you how to have the emotions. Yeah. Here's what you don't remember about your feelings.
- [102:14]
Sean Fennessy
It's obviously 100% and I will not deny it.
- [102:17]
Amanda Dobbins
But you know what?
- [102:18]
Sean Fennessy
At least I know it.
- [102:19]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [102:19]
Sean Fennessy
At least I'm in touch.
- [102:20]
Amanda Dobbins
Congratulations to all the winners.
- [102:22]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, they did great. To the losers. Fuck off. You know, like what? You know, I got really nothing for you tonight. Maybe next time. Sorry. Juliet Gippi. Maybe you'll be the breakthrough performer next time around, you know, can you be.
- [102:35]
Amanda Dobbins
Eligible for breakthrough performance multiple times? So she won't be the breakthrough performer next time.
- [102:41]
Sean Fennessy
What if she goes away for 30 years and then comes back?
- [102:45]
Amanda Dobbins
So it's a. Well, that would be the comeback performance, which is also a category that we should introduce for next year.
- [102:51]
Sean Fennessy
Intriguing. Yeah, I'm interested in that.
- [102:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. That would be like. Josh Hartnett would win that.
- [102:56]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. Although he was Lawrence in Oppenheimer Right, Yeah. So that was, you know, that's a big movie.
- [103:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's true. And he, like, was a big part of. I mean, he wasn't a big part, but he was also.
- [103:09]
Sean Fennessy
He had a big part in Ruse de Guerrell, the Guy Ritchie movie. You saw that film?
- [103:14]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I don't think I saw that one.
- [103:15]
Sean Fennessy
He drives a sports car.
- [103:17]
Amanda Dobbins
He wears a sweater in the Bear season three.
- [103:20]
Sean Fennessy
Yep. So he does. I don't think Trapp was really a comeback.
- [103:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, well, I think that that is what she could be eligible for.
- [103:28]
Sean Fennessy
No one needs a comeback. Is Shannon Sossamon his co star in 40 days and 40 nights?
- [103:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, yeah?
- [103:34]
Sean Fennessy
Where's she at? What's up with Shannon Sassamon? Shannon with a. Yeah. You want me to get her on the phone? You're calling her? You want me to get her on the phone? Yeah. Do you think that'd be a good end to this pod? At this day of recording? Shannon cold calling Shannon Sossoman. Big fan.
- [103:49]
Amanda Dobbins
She's still working. She was in a film in 2023 called Back Spot.
- [103:54]
Sean Fennessy
Back Spot, you say?
- [103:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, and it's a fictional. It's like a scripted film about the world of competitive cheerleading. Evan Rachel Wood was apparently in this. I don't know who Shannon Sossman played because the Wikipedia page does not illuminate that for us.
- [104:10]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [104:12]
Amanda Dobbins
All right.
- [104:13]
Sean Fennessy
Back Spot.
- [104:14]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, that's just. That's what I'm learning.
- [104:18]
Sean Fennessy
Maybe I'll write a film for Shannon Sosserman.
- [104:20]
Amanda Dobbins
I wouldn't say it's been the most illustrious of decades.
- [104:25]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, it appears she was born Shannon S H a N N O N and changed it to S a T S H a n N Y N. Okay. I wonder if that's because there already was a Shannon Sawsam in sag.
- [104:38]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [104:39]
Sean Fennessy
Or maybe she's just an unusual person who likes to change her name. Well, Shannon, thanks for all your work. Thanks to Jack Sanders.
- [104:48]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [104:48]
Sean Fennessy
Thanks to our producer, Bobby Wagner, for everything he provided on this episode, which is not interrupting us when I was talking about Gen Z. Thank you, Bob. Later this week, we're predicting the Academy Awards.
- [105:00]
Amanda Dobbins
We sure are.
- [105:01]
Sean Fennessy
How are you feeling?
- [105:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Stressed out.
- [105:04]
Sean Fennessy
Who will win and who should win? That's how we do it.
- [105:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [105:07]
Sean Fennessy
Who do you think should win Best Picture? Don't say anything. Don't react. Don't talk. Looking forward to that episode. Should be a lot of fun. This concludes the sixth hour of recording here right now in the big picture, in case you couldn't tell. We'll see you on Wednesday.
- [105:24]
Amanda Dobbins
You said Wednesday. We gotta book a time.
- [105:26]
Sean Fennessy
But yes, Wednesday. Bob, should we just keep recording now? I mean, it's like getting to be performance art at this point.
- [105:32]
Amanda Dobbins
So hold on. Let's keep recording. I do. I have a question about.
- [105:38]
Sean Fennessy
I'm in a phone booth on the 70th floor of the World Trade center at 6pm so I'm just ready to keep going.
- [105:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Sue. 2:30pm On Sunday. Are. Are people submitting questions? Like, what's the. Is there an interactive element in the.
- [105:53]
Sean Fennessy
Chat you can send questions?
- [105:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [105:55]
Sean Fennessy
Bob will help us pick questions while we're talking. YouTube chat.
- [105:59]
Amanda Dobbins
So you have to have a YouTube account.
- [106:01]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know how that works, but is there some other people who are like, I have to join YouTube.
- [106:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Jack's nodding.
- [106:06]
Sean Fennessy
Maybe if you have a Google account, you have a YouTube account. They're all part of the same.
- [106:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, yeah, that's right.
- [106:13]
Sean Fennessy
Big alpha.
- [106:13]
Amanda Dobbins
What if I had a different account from when I just had a YouTube account? What happened to that? Bobby, can you find that account and seek it up?
- [106:23]
Sean Fennessy
I don't. It doesn't matter for you. You're going to be on the episode. You're not going to edit questions in the chat when you're talking to me. I don't know. I'm going to be putting my Venmo name in the chat so that people can pay me to get their question answered. Is it against some written policy that I don't know about? Okay, yeah, we'll be live on YouTube, but I'll tout that again.
- [106:46]
Amanda Dobbins
What I always wanted to do growing up was to be live on YouTube at 2:30 before the Oscars as a mother of two children.
- [106:55]
Sean Fennessy
But isn't it, though? Is it like, honestly, is it not what you wanted.
- [107:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Live on YouTube? I don't know.
- [107:05]
Sean Fennessy
You would like to be live on Truth Social. How do you think Siskel would have handled a call in episode? Because that's basically what's going on here. I mean, they were in that environment all the time. They went on the radio all the time. They answered questions to promote their stuff.
- [107:19]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's true.
- [107:21]
Sean Fennessy
We're just doing the same shit.
- [107:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [107:23]
Sean Fennessy
And you know what we don't do is debase ourselves by going to red carpets and asking people questions.
- [107:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's true. I didn't want to be on the red carpet.
- [107:28]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. So we're just doing our version of it. Might get a little silly.
- [107:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Great.
- [107:33]
Sean Fennessy
But honestly, just probably rippling with expertise.
- [107:37]
Amanda Dobbins
Rippling with expertise. What was the old tagline? Because that's the new one that needs to go there. Rippling with expertise.
- [107:45]
Sean Fennessy
Should I call Shoemaker and get that on the logo? The big picture. It went from ripping with the movies to rippling with expertise. Okay, great job, everybody. We had a very normal day of recording, as usual. We will see you on Wednesday where we are predicting the Academy Awards. Spy it.