The Garbage Women Canon! Plus: 'Holland' and 'Kinda Pregnant.'

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Big Picture - "The Garbage Women Canon! Plus: 'Holland' and 'Kinda Pregnant.'"

Introduction

In the March 28, 2025 episode titled "The Garbage Women Canon! Plus: 'Holland' and 'Kinda Pregnant,'" hosts Amanda Dobbins and Yassi Salak delve into the realm of subpar direct-to-streaming movies starring some of the most celebrated actresses of our time. Breaking away from the usual presence of Sean Fennessey, Amanda takes center stage to explore what she terms the "Garbage Women Canon," a collection of films that, despite their star-studded casts, fall short in quality and execution.

Defining the Garbage Women Canon

Amanda introduces the concept of the "Garbage Women Canon" as a definitive list of mediocre or poorly crafted movies featuring prominent female leads. The criteria for inclusion are outlined as follows:

1. Direct-to-Streaming Releases: The films bypass traditional theatrical releases, often resulting in lower production values.
2. Star Power: Featuring acclaimed actresses such as Nicole Kidman, Amy Schumer, Reese Witherspoon, and others who have previously dominated box offices or earned critical acclaim.
3. Typical Tropes: Incorporation of common clichés like over-the-top wigs, lackluster dialogue, and predictable plotlines.

In-Depth Discussion of "Holland" ([04:30] - [20:44])

The conversation begins with an analysis of "Holland," a film starring Nicole Kidman, Matthew McFadyen, and Gael García Bernal. Directed by Mimi Cave, "Holland" is critiqued for its confusing narrative and underdeveloped characters.

• Plot and Setting: Set in Holland, Michigan, the movie revolves around Nicole Kidman's character, a Midwestern teacher suspecting her husband's infidelity. Amanda notes, "She has a lot of garbage women stuff defining what it is." ([06:23])

• Performance and Production Flaws: Despite Kidman's esteemed acting prowess, the film is marred by inconsistent accents and poorly executed wig designs. Yassi remarks, "Nicole Kidman's wig needs to be tried at the Hague... It's always, like, not sitting properly, very confusing." ([14:30])

• Narrative Issues: The movie suffers from unresolved plot points and abrupt character exits, leaving audiences disengaged. Amanda reflects, "It doesn't make a lot of sense. It was a hour and a half too long." ([12:30])

Analyzing "Kinda Pregnant" ([21:24] - [32:34])

Next, the hosts examine "Kinda Pregnant," an Amy Schumer-led comedy that attempts to blend body horror with humor.

• Concept and Humor: The film parodies pregnancy struggles, with Amy Schumer pretending to be pregnant to navigate societal pressures. Amanda praises, "I genuinely found it pretty funny." ([22:03])

• Performance and Cast: The inclusion of actors like Jillian Bell and Chris Redd adds comedic value, though some elements feel derivative of classics like "Bridesmaids." Yassi comments, "It's like ripping off Melissa McCarthy's performance." ([24:11])

• Themes and Execution: While aiming to address the real-life anxieties of pregnancy, the movie balances broad comedy with specific, relatable jokes. Amanda notes, "It marries what Amy Schumer does pretty well, mocking the worst parts of being a woman." ([22:18])

Other Eligible Films Discussed

The discussion extends to several other films that meet the "Garbage Women Canon" criteria:

• "A Family Affair" ([35:00] - [47:44]): Featuring Nicole Kidman and Zac Efron, this Netflix release is critiqued for its disjointed plot and overuse of stereotypical tropes. Quotes include:

  • Yassi: "What's happening here with your wig?" ([36:06])
  • Amanda: "It's about both of them, but the writing is bad, the dialogue is bad." ([47:36])

• "Let Them All Talk" ([57:07] - [58:33]): Starring Meryl Streep and Candice Bergen, Amanda and Yassi debate its inclusion, with Amanda ultimately conceding its quality:

  • Yassi: "It's way too good to be in this canon." ([57:51])
  • Amanda: "It's really good. Steven Soderbergh directed this." ([58:22])

• "Lonely Planet" ([52:02] - [75:12]): Featuring Laura Dern and Liam Hemsworth, the film is criticized for its implausible plot and inconsistent character development. Notable remarks:

  • Amanda: "Everything about it is so preposterous." ([53:09])
  • Yassi: "It's an actual proper good movie and doesn't belong here." ([77:00])

• "Shotgun Wedding" ([79:11] - [86:35]): A Jennifer Lopez and Josh Duhamel pairing is dissected for its lackluster chemistry and predictable storyline:

  • Amanda: "There's no chemistry between the people, even though they're very funny on their own." ([50:33])
  • Yassi: "It's just a broad comedy that anyone should be able to watch and enjoy." ([85:10])

Insights on Production and Common Tropes ([14:30] - [38:36])

A recurring theme in the discussion is the excessive use of wigs and makeup, particularly for actresses like Nicole Kidman, which detracts from their performances. Amanda and Yassi explore how budget constraints and lack of technological knowledge contribute to these issues.

• Wig and Makeup Critique: Yassi emphasizes, "Nicole Kidman wears a wig in every production, why don't they have a good wig?" ([15:55])

• Set and Wardrobe Choices: The hosts also touch upon unrealistic set designs and wardrobe selections that fail to resonate authentically with the characters' lifestyles.

Debating the Quality of Garbage Women Movies ([32:34] - [92:45])

Amanda and Yassi engage in a nuanced debate about whether "Garbage Women" movies can transcend their category and offer genuine value.

• Potential for Goodness: Amanda asserts, "They can be enjoyable and well-crafted, but they can't be like Nora Ephron movies." ([33:01])

• Embracing Mediocrity: Yassi contends that some films may unexpectedly defy expectations, as seen with "Let Them All Talk," prompting Amanda to acknowledge, "I think that's it counts." ([57:08])

• Personal Preferences: The hosts share personal viewing habits, with Yassi favoring garbage television like "Grey's Anatomy" and Amanda expressing a desire to balance her preferences with quality cinema.

Concluding Thoughts ([93:00] - End)

As the episode wraps up, Amanda and Yassi reflect on the exercise of categorizing these films, highlighting the complexity and subjectivity involved in defining "Garbage Women Canon."

• Final Reflections: Yassi humorously states, "I don't want to do this again," while Amanda appreciates the camaraderie and shared insights, emphasizing, "We have room for all the really good movies." ([86:00]-[88:00])

• Inclusivity of Taste: The hosts conclude on a positive note, recognizing that while their tastes may align toward different spectrums of film quality, there's value in discussing and critiquing a diverse range of movies.

Notable Quotes

• Amanda Dobbins: "She is one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation. She deserves several more Oscars." ([04:44])
• Yassi Salak: "If you're deep in your real faves, then you miss something. And I did have to like back 10 a few times." ([35:54])
• Amanda Dobbins: "Garbage Women movies can be good, they can be enjoyable and well-crafted." ([32:39])
• Yassi Salak: "Maybe it's a feminist trend, but pushing women to date younger men feels like a fetish." ([69:11])

Conclusion

This episode of "The Big Picture" offers a candid and entertaining exploration of the so-called "Garbage Women Canon," blending critical analysis with humorous banter. Amanda and Yassi provide listeners with a comprehensive look at how even the most talented actresses can sometimes be ensnared in less-than-stellar cinematic projects, all while maintaining a lighthearted and engaging conversation.

Transcript

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[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm Amanda Dobbins and this is the Big Picture, a conversation show about women having it all. Shaun is out today, and so I am taking over in the only way I know how, devoting an entire episode to mediocre, to bad street movies starring the greatest actresses of our generation. I'm calling it Naturally Garbage Women. And here to help me create the definitive canon is yet another overqualified ringer woman, Yassi Salak. But first, we're going to talk about two possible entrants in the Garbage Women canon. Holland, starring Nicole Kidman, and Kinda Pregnant starring Amy Schumer. Yassi. Happy Women's History Month.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh my God, thank you. It's my favorite celebratory month.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for watching, like a lot of movies. I felt bad. I gave you a lot of homework.

[Yassi Salak]

I thought when you asked me this, you were like, do you like this kind of movie? And I was thinking maybe not to spoil ahead, but like Irish Wish, Lindsay Lohan Vehicle, which I was like, I love that kind of movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I did lead with Irish Wish. Like, I think I texted you, do you like films like Irish Wish?

[Yassi Salak]

And I was like, yes. And then you were like, these ones? And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna take a look.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I kind of, I bait and switched you a little. But that's okay. We're gonna, we're gonna be very specific about the Garbage Women canon, right? We have like a whole thing and we can decide, actually whether Holland were kinda pregnant. Belong.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. Am I a misogynist now? Unclear. Possibly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did all the people who make these movies.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. You know how, like, when men go on YouTube too much and they become incels? Like, I think watching these eight movies is, like, maybe skewed me into misogyny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

My fear for my two, you know, hopefully 10 years down the road. Okay, before we do Garbage Woman, we have to do some news. Just one piece of news, which is that the full trailer for one battle after another was released. Do you know what this film is?

[Yassi Salak]

No clue, babe.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is the new. Okay, well, this is a new film from Paul Thomas Anderson.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, sure. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Starring Leonardo DiCaprio.

[Yassi Salak]

Sorry to disrespect Shawn and his great passion in life.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Listen, we can talk about this because it does feature women, so it's germane to today's episode. I just kind of wanted to let people at home know, like, we've seen it.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Or I have seen it.

[Yassi Salak]

Leonard DiCaprio.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Leonardo DiCaprio on the X dot com.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. It's good. Yeah. We're looking forward to this film.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. A plus.

[Yassi Salak]

We love pta.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

In this household.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All right, we're going to start with Holland, which, I mean, so Holland is currently streaming on Amazon Prime. It debuted this week, and it stars Nicole Kidman along with Matthew McFadian, Gail Garcia Bernal, and Rachel Sennett for, like, 20 seconds, which we'll come back to. It was directed by Mimi Cave, who directed Fresh, which was a Sebastian, Stan, Daisy, Edgar Jones, like, online phenomenon a few years ago. And I feel like we had a lot of people adding us on social media, being like, when are you going to talk about Fresh? When are you going to talk about fresh? And then.

[Yassi Salak]

Did you ever.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I think I was on leave.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I mostly became aware of it through, like, Instagram reels, which is like, maybe gives you a sense of the vein of popularity. Anyway, so Holland.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All right. So the basic premise is that Nicole Kidman is a Midwestern teacher who suspects that her husband, Matthew McFaddyen, might be having an affair.

[Yassi Salak]

Correct.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Technically, this is Garbage Women because of the rules we're about to enumerate, which is like, number one, first and foremost, it stars Nicole Kidman kind of.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. That's really crazy. This woman has two Oscars.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Does she have two? No, I think it's just the one.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

One. Not. She deserves several more.

[Yassi Salak]

She should have more.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She is one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation. She's like really good. She's in a lot of great stuff. Have you seen Baby Girl?

[Yassi Salak]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, obviously. I mean, that was fantastic. So she's good, but she also works a lot and she has not been snobby about the streaming universe is, I guess, one way of saying it. But also she is just in a lot of. Of garbage women stuff. Like she kind of defines what it is. Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I was texting you about this before, but I was like, I need to understand, like, do you have a gambling problem?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

Is there a financial situation? Because it makes no sense to do this many projects per year at this clip when you're Nicole Kidman. I don't understand.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She does really like to work. The only insights I have into her financial situation are an interview that she g once about her husband, Keith Urban.

[Yassi Salak]

Sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Gorgeous man buying her a Lamborghini or something.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes. Two income household, first of all. Yeah, but.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But she didn't want it. Okay. So he drives it and she drives her Subaru. But that.

[Yassi Salak]

So not driven by money even.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, one half is not driven by money and the other person is just like ex buying Lamborghini.

[Yassi Salak]

So you're saying Keith Urban is Baby Girl?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I. We don't know. We don't know. I just like. But the only insight I have until into how money is being spent in that house and they are legally married, so she's responsible for both halves of it is that he, he is spending a lot.

[Yassi Salak]

They have several children as well.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I believe they have two. I believe two.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, I know he likes to make his own special coffee on the road. He brings a coffee maker. I don't know if that's very expensive.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, it's. Coffee is. I don't know if you've like, you know, been buying the beans lately, but there's real coffee. And so perhaps that's.

[Yassi Salak]

That explains the Holland. Taking the Holland check.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, she also obviously is on a lot of like direct to streaming TV shows that I've seen all of and, and like Big Little Lives.

[Yassi Salak]

You watched the one with Hugh Grant.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah, of course. The Undoing. Yeah, no spoilers, but relevant to, to this conversation. Yeah, Undoing. The, the Nantucket Show. The Ellen Hildebrandt. A perfect, perfect couple, I believe, which I really enjoyed despite myself. But sue, her willingness to do streaming stuff, her willingness to do tv, Big Little Lies was like hbo, but it's sort of prestige. Yeah, prestige. And it's like the sort of like the breakthrough of big name actresses being like, sure, we'll do tv. Sure. Like we'll like, get a little dirty and not just do, you know, our fancy Oscar movies. And she does them so frequently that just because she's in it, I do think it counts as Garbage Women. It is also sort of about. I mean, it is about a woman in the domestic sphere. Right, right. And she's realizing some things about her life, which is another, like, key part of Garbage Women. And there is sort of intentionally humor.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, so let's talk about it. Nicole Kimmin is, like, talking like Marilyn Monroe throughout this movie.

[Yassi Salak]

The way she speaks is so confusing to me. I didn't. Do you think that was, like, a Midwestern accent gone wrong?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, some of it is. I think that she just does so takes so many roles that she's like, okay, well, now I gotta throw in some new voice work.

[Yassi Salak]

Now I'm breathy. Now I'm breathy. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I guess she was, like, trying to communicate something about the character, like, not really being, like, with it.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. Yeah, she's. It was giving pills. It was giving Stepford wife energy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, it was giving a little bit of, like, Truman Show. I thought at some point.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that was probably on purpose.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I. Yeah. Or maybe they, like, saw something in the edit and then were like, let's.

[Yassi Salak]

Veer towards, like, retroactive.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This to me seemed like, totally chopped up. Like, as we said, Rachel Sennett is in the first scene and then, like, never shows up again, like, ever.

[Yassi Salak]

What is the point of that character?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Just to be like, I. I have no point.

[Yassi Salak]

Well, she creates the inciting incident, which is. I think someone stole something. I'm looking for it now and then. Doesn't that lead to her stumbling upon.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes, I guess so.

[Yassi Salak]

But, like, some weird train shit in the. I was like, kind of it. I'll be honest with you. I was on my phone a bit. I was keeping, like, stream of consciousness notes and I kept like, like, writing to you in my notes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Amanda, this is boring. Amanda, I'm bored. I don't understand.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, it was very. I mean, I did as well, and I was certainly, like, I had to stop at one point. So, like, the last 30 minutes I watched, like, separately, late at night while, like, honestly.

[Yassi Salak]

Which is fine because you could.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was using my, like my microcurrent device while doing it, which was fine. It was quiet, so I could multitask, I guess it's nano current, too. I don't know which one.

[Yassi Salak]

Do you have the zip?

[Amanda Dobbins]

The zip? Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Great one. I believe it's the best one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I. Because apparently it has like dual waveform technology. That's what they say. While I'm just going like this on my face. Anyway, I did miss all of it, some of it. But Rachel Sennett was just there for 20 seconds and anyone could have played that part.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes, correct.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And it did feel like the whole thing about how she stole bacon and like food was sort of abandoned at some point in a way that makes me think like maybe there was like a. Some sort of like.

[Yassi Salak]

Like that character had more.

[Amanda Dobbins]

More to. Yeah. And like how much Nicole Kidman is or is not allowed to eat is like, was part of the plot at some point.

[Yassi Salak]

And the sun. Right. And they kind of hint at that. Like, you took away my candy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. Although her name was Candy, so that was confusing.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, that was.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. So anyway, that was pretty half baked. Also, Holland is the name of the film because this is set in Holland, Michigan, which is like a Dutch inspired town in Michigan. Sort of like Solvang in California, if you're familiar with that.

[Yassi Salak]

My college roommate worked at the Heidelberg Inn in Solvang, California. So I've been there many times.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's a beautiful part of the world. Yeah. I don't like pancakes as much as everyone there seems to, but, like, they.

[Yassi Salak]

Have a great mustard selection. That's true. Yay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, no, no. It's very charming. But so there's like all this, like, weird Dutch stuff.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. Which I. It respectfully, it felt like that was like, what made them make the movie. They're like, what if this, like, the pitch was, what if there's a movie set in a town that is obsessed with Holland? And then the plot was kind of secondary to, like, bringing images of that town to life. Because there was a lot of weird imagery of that town.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But like, what. What does setting a movie in Holland mean? Like, what was up with the Dutch stuff? Like, they just. She wears like, weird tulip, you know, weird hats.

[Yassi Salak]

Matthew McFadden does like a little prayer. That didn't seem to be fully in English, but they never explain what that was. And I was like, is this a cult situation?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I think it was Dutch. I like. I don't want to assume, you know.

[Yassi Salak]

Like, I like, not me being like, not English, but it would be confusing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

If it were a different language than Dutch. It definitely seemed in like, the Germanic tradition. I'm already like, on really thin. I see her. Because if Dutch is not of the Germanic languages, like, I'm sorry, he's gonna get mad. I'm sorry, but the Dutch People.

[Yassi Salak]

No, it's fine.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They. They have been the butt of some horror jokes recently, so they can handle it. Yeah. So. And there's like, a Tulip Festival that is, like, central.

[Yassi Salak]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But again, that felt like something that was maybe in an earlier draft of the movie and then they didn't explore at all. There's also, like, a church element. This is all by way of saying this movie's not very good. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Yassi Salak]

It doesn't make sense. It's really hard to follow. I watched it with my parents.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

Which is actually gave me a lot of insight because I'll tell you what, my parents love bad movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay?

[Yassi Salak]

They are fine. Even at the end of this, they're like, no, that was fine. And I'm like, you were playing solitaire the whole time, dad. My mom was playing some other game on her. That's how they watch movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, let me ask. Solitaire on the phone. Desktop.

[Yassi Salak]

My dad on the laptop PC laptop. My mom on the phone. Some game that I don't recognize, but it's some Jewel Candy Crush adjacent. And they were like, no, it was. Yeah, there was suspense. And I was like, yeah, the suspense was, what the fuck is going on at any given moment? It was an hour and a half too long.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Like, I was like, what are we? And then they never answer. They. They bring in these, like, big questions, like, okay, Gael Garcia Bernal's character. His name. I don't remember.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, Dave.

[Yassi Salak]

Dave. Sure, sure. Dave is always a loot. He's scared of the police. He has some, like, past. That's why he's scared of the place.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

Never revealed what he did. What did he do?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Don't know.

[Yassi Salak]

I would have liked to know that. Is he on the run?

[Amanda Dobbins]

There's also, like, the movie starts with voiceover and ends with voiceover from Nicole Kidman being like, I feel safe here. Like, as if she is also on the run from something.

[Yassi Salak]

Exactly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Or he saved her.

[Yassi Salak]

What was. She was wayward. None of these questions are answered.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, no, no, no, no. And I don't want to, like, fully spoil the movie because it's available on streaming. Most people probably haven't seen it at this point. I don't know. I guess you can. You want to have a weird time, go for it. But, like, there are a lot of faints. There were a lot of different things that could have happened. And I kept trying to guess what the twist would be. And, like, all of my twists are way more interesting than what the movie Is, like, way more interesting.

[Yassi Salak]

Matthew McFadden was great. I thought he was. He's such a good actor.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, he's wonderful.

[Yassi Salak]

I enjoyed him because he's just phenomenal. Nicole Kidman's wig needs to be tried at the Hague. Like, I need to. I need.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Yassi Salak]

Why.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Why don't you describe it?

[Yassi Salak]

I don't even know how to describe. It's always. I don't even think that's human hair.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

Do you know what I mean?

[Amanda Dobbins]

You think they didn't have that kind of budget. They must have, like, in general, it's not laid properly.

[Yassi Salak]

It always looks like it's about to fall off. You can't see any scalp. It's not a lace front, I don't think. No, there's always, like, a barrette somewhere, and it's askew. It's so distracting.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I feel like the askew ness was intentional because she.

[Yassi Salak]

She's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She's like. Yeah, she's like, you know, not quite. She's, like, off her square and, you know, like, a little daffy. And so the bobby pen, like, shoved a certain way is intentional. I agree with everything else that you're saying. And I. I guess they don't have the budget. This is. I mean, this is a problem that we're going to come back to in this podcast, specifically, like, the wig and hair budgets.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I think there's a lack of knowledge of.

[Yassi Salak]

But if you, Nicole Kidman, and you wear a wig in every production at this point, why don't. You would want a good wig? No. Would you. You would write it into your contract. Your agent would write it into the contract. I want that Kardashian level, and I want some, like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I want my hair and makeup person coming with me to, like, make sure that everything is according to my standards.

[Yassi Salak]

I want the person that does Beyonce's wigs on set.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, first of all, that person is probably with Beyonce all of the time. I would hope that Beyonce has that, like, an exclusive.

[Yassi Salak]

Well, the understudy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But, like, I agree with you. So I think that there's just like, a lack of. Of technology knowledge, you know, which is, like, pervasive. Right. That's the same thing with, like, fillers, Botox. Like, some people, you know, they're the experts, and then there's just, like, everybody else.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. We'll get into Family Affair as well.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I do wonder if, like, Nicole Kidman is not really making those aesthetic distinctions.

[Yassi Salak]

Sometimes I get into Galaxy Brain, and I'm like, what if she's like an incredible performance artist, and she's, like, super aware, and this is just her thing now. And she's like, how far can I push it with the horrific wigs? Because it is a talk. I went down Reddit threads, multiple Reddit threads. This is a known thing. And maybe she's just having a bit of a laugh.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I definitely think that they're all wigs, but part of my galaxy brain wants to be like, what if they're not wigs?

[Yassi Salak]

Then that's. That's. What if that's her hair that's even more insane.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

No human being's hair looks like that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There is a commitment to, like, a consistency of the type of hair. You know, I. I agree that they're just not sitting properly in a way that looks very confusing. And I do also think that she's not trying to spend that much time in hair and makeup. This is actually my theory is that at some point, like, you just show up and it's like, well, we gotta film now. And this is what we have.

[Yassi Salak]

You know, this dovetails nicely into Family Affair because things that she doesn't have time or care about.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Which I don't think we need to set up a family. Family Affair is starring Nicole Kidman. Garbage movie canon for sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Streaming on Netflix.

[Yassi Salak]

Streaming on Netflix. Starring also Zac Efron.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

As her love interest. Much younger love interest. Another hallmark of the garbage movie canon, which I do as the feminism has left my body. I'd like to talk about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

And then the daughter is played by King Joey.

[Amanda Dobbins]

King.

[Yassi Salak]

Joey King, who's lovely. And she works for Zac Efron, who's a big actor. And then him and Nicole Kidman, her mother, develop a relationship. This one, I was like, oh, Nicole Kidman came and they were. She was like, what are you paying? And they were like, blah, blah, blah. And she was like, no American accent for you then.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

You cannot afford the American accent. I'm bringing the Australian accent.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. Do you think that it just kind of eludes her as time goes on in the shoot? And you can actually.

[Yassi Salak]

She's actually one of the best. It's one of my pet peeves in films. And this is with all love and respect to the Australian subcontinent, but Australian actors are the most egregious abusers of slipping back into Australian accent when they're doing American accent.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know why.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, I'm sure it's very hard, but she never usually does. She's Australian. She. They say it in the film. So she must have literally been like, you can't afford the American Nicole Kidman you're having because there's no reason for her to be Australian. It's never. It's not a plot point. It has nothing to do with the character. She's just Australian.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There was a thing that happened in a perfect. In the Perfect Couple. Ah, Perfect Couple, Sorry. The series where, like, halfway through, she just becomes British. And it was never finished that. I did finish that series, but it was never clear to me whether that was like a part of the character or whether she was just kind of slipping. And it was like.

[Yassi Salak]

Well, she was probably doing three projects at the same time.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. She was like, trying to do, like Transatlantic, you know, like. Cause it's supposed to be like old money, or at least fake old money. And so. But like, the vowels just kind of like returned this way and then they, like, just kept turning a little.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. I guess even her Australian accent is not strong because she's obviously been in America for so long.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

That it's kind of a watered down version. But I just. That amused me. I was like, oh, I guess that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Explains the voice a little bit. She was like, this is how I'm gonna be Midwestern American is in this weird voice.

[Yassi Salak]

You know, at a certain point, how many accents can one person do, you know?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

She's only human.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't understand why she chose to do this movie or why this movie. No, no, no, no, no, no. Holland. I'm excited about Holland.

[Yassi Salak]

I kind of get Holland is one of those movies where, like it trick, like it on the surface. Seems like it's going to be a good movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, sure.

[Yassi Salak]

You know, and I think it's there. She was bamboozled.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A few fancy camera angles.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And there's.

[Yassi Salak]

There's great imagery. Amazing. I mean, you have three incredible actors in it. I think that. I think she was tricked.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And also she does seem to like. To work.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. And that's just like a bait and switch one where they were like, this is gonna be a good movie. And then it's really not a good movie. Not like a family affair, which is just off top. No one could read that script and be like, this is gonna be a good movie. Oh, except for you, who loves it. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Holland. It just seems like germane to note that Jen Salke, the head of Amazon Movie Studios, was removed from her job.

[Yassi Salak]

This week because of Holland.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, but I'm just like, well, this is what they're putting on.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm just someone. Jeff, bezos saw Holland and was like, no. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's apparently because of, like, James Bond and all that, but, you know, it's tough times over there, it would seem. Okay. The other movie that we have to talk about, it has been out for a little while. Kind of pregnant.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It has not been discussed here on the Big Picture. So this is our time. Happy Women's History Month, International Women's Month, whatever you're doing. So this one is an Amy Schumer vehicle, written by Amy Schumer and Julie Paiva, directed by Tyler Spindle.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And this is like. It's Bridesmaids, but for pregnancy. Amy Schumer is also a teacher.

[Yassi Salak]

She's a teacher?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

There's three jobs that women can have. I want you to understand.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Go ahead.

[Yassi Salak]

It's a teacher, writer, or something to do with the arts. Like gallerist, maybe an interior decorator. These are the jobs allowed in the garbage women canon.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It used to be journalist, but then the media fell apart, so we're no longer inspirational and now it's novels. Right. Or if you're going to be a journalist, it's like in a family affair where it's like you write Pulitzer Prize winning books and then get like $5 award for Vogue.

[Yassi Salak]

Exactly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Okay. So she's a teacher and her best friend, played by Jillian Bell.

[Yassi Salak]

Love her.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Gets pregnant. I do, too. And she's, like, kind of jealous. It's the whole, like, bridesmaid thing of, like, what is our friendship gonna be now that you're going through this life change? So then Amy Schumer decides to pretend to be pregnant also, and then hijinks ensue.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm sorry. I loved it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I also. Genuinely funny. I am sort of embarrassed to say it. And I went in being like, I don't know about this. And I did think it was pretty funny. I think it marries what Amy Schumer does pretty well, which is like, mocking the worst, most insulting parts of being a woman, which pregnancy is, like, definitely a part of them. And she's always been good at, like, humor or always been willing to, like, make humor about her body and, like, the physical aspects of being a woman. And pregnancy is just the worst part of that. Everyone's so lucky to have kids, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, like, pregnancy sucks, et cetera, et cetera.

[Yassi Salak]

It's a body horror film.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So it is body horror film. Like, really funny. It meets her and her experiences. She also famously, like, had the worst pregnancy where she had, like, the hyper meus, you know, the very intense Morning sickness.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And anyway, meets where it is. It's like just broad enough, but also has specific funny jokes. Pretty good cast.

[Yassi Salak]

Chris Gear, who had a small role, but I love him. You're the worst. One of the best TV shows.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I didn't know about Brianne Howey because I've never seen Ginny in Georgia.

[Yassi Salak]

I actually haven't either. Is that where she's from? Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

So she is like a big, huge TV show. My cousin Nikki loves that show.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She's a huge, huge Netflix thing. And so this is sort of like the Netflix and house star thing. But I have never watched Ginny in Georgia, so I never had seen her before. I thought she was great.

[Yassi Salak]

She was great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Very funny.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. The woman who plays the third teacher, the coach, the PE coach, Ursula Carlson, Googled her.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Halfway through, I was like, who is this?

[Yassi Salak]

She's a star.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Unbelievably funny. She's like the Melissa McCarthy role. And like, basically like they're like ripping off the Melissa McCarthy bridesmaid performance. But that's okay. Like, I still laugh.

[Yassi Salak]

But she brought her own spin on it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, no, no, she was like genuinely very funny. But you can just see the blueprint.

[Yassi Salak]

Will Forte.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Great, right?

[Yassi Salak]

Fab.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So he is Brienne, Howie's brother, her.

[Yassi Salak]

Fail brother who lives in the garage.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. And just they also make a big deal of her living in Clinton Hill. And then they have literally a three car garage in Clinton Hill that he lives in. So that's my first note of this doesn't make sense. But again, exaggeration of real estate locations is a hallmark of garbage women canon. So this definitely counts.

[Yassi Salak]

Also, sorry, something I didn't say about Holland. Speaking of poking holes, what year was that, babe? Because that Nokia phone they constantly use, that's 1999. But then it's the 90s. Because they're watching.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, it was like very clearly 2000. Like 2000. Because it's like I even wrote them down. Here we go. So she's watching Mrs. Doubtfire, but it's a blockbuster DVD.

[Yassi Salak]

She has the Pizza Hut box.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's the old one.

[Yassi Salak]

Pogs are early 90s, though. I played with them in middle.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I mean, so did I.

[Yassi Salak]

Elementary school. Did they last longer?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I guess so. The children.

[Yassi Salak]

Jack is angry about the pogs. I was like, pogs and Nokia phone are not the same shit.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There's that incredibly weird like party up music cue.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And that is late 90s.

[Yassi Salak]

And the DMX.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really, really.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes, exactly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. So I think it was meant to.

[Yassi Salak]

Be probably 1999, 2000. Okay. Sorry. Back to. Back to, right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is kind of pregnant. Kind of pregnant is current.

[Yassi Salak]

It's current. I'm gonna say. I think I want to know if you agree. I think also if you go into it knowing it's a Happy Madison production, it all falls into place.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Because it's. It's a Happy Madison. It has that feel and tone that. I love that besides bridesmaids, you don't get. Ever see women get to do that? Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, women typically don't go for body humor. They don't go for like the barfing and the sink. They don't go for like all of that stuff. But pregnancy is like a very good topic for, for. For that. I like the pregnancy stuff is pretty good. Like she steals. She gets the idea to be pregnant and steals it from a hatch store.

[Yassi Salak]

I just recently was in a hatch store for the first time. That's a horror movie. Respectfully to the owners of.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I've never been inside a hatch store. I spent a lot of time on like hatch online during both of my pregnancies. Being like, maybe if I stare at this long enough, I will will one of these pieces of clothing into being right for me. And I just have to tell you, they never were.

[Yassi Salak]

Just cause you're pregnant doesn't mean you have to dress ugly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You have to dress ugly. Also, those clothes are. Aren't cut for most pregnant people. Like, the dirty secret about pregnancy, like clothes or whatever and like models is that most of the time it's like non pregnant models wearing the bump.

[Yassi Salak]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That you see Amy Schumer steal in the hat store. But sue, the clothes don't accommodate like the rest of your body.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So not. No hash stuff ever worked for me. Also, you know, I do give you.

[Yassi Salak]

Candy in the store, which is that is. Which I took. Even though I wasn't Amy Schumer's side, I wasn't pregnant. I was like, I'll have some of that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The thing where Amy Schumer like gets on the subway and is like, oh, I finally get a seat. Like that actually is a real feeling. And I remember like the last month of when I was pregnant with Psy. Like, I was just like, I gotta. I gotta go seize the day. I gotta like be out in the world and like, let people be nice to me because like, this is really gonna like end very soon.

[Yassi Salak]

It's like me with my burnt down house, which I only have a little more time to really Milk that You think I have a little while? Yeah, at least one. One full pregnancy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think a calendar year. Right. You know, and then, like, in 2026.

[Yassi Salak]

Hatch is definitely not going to send me anything, but maybe other people.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think it would fit you better than, you know. I like that. I liked the. The whole mom, like, prenatal yoga scene.

[Yassi Salak]

And Mama's Day Mama stay. It was so. I was like, this is, like this. Why are you doing this? This is misogynistic. Why are you doing this to women? Not the movie. The idea of that, like, just because women are pregnant, what now they're, like, lobotomized as well.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The. The. You got this mama culture. Listen, listen. You do got this mama. And I don't want to say, like, on International Women's Month, and there are situations in which, like, it works, but so many products now are sold to pregnant women and, like, new mothers as, like, for the mamas, you know? And, like, I find it so, like, blood curdling.

[Yassi Salak]

It's infantilizing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's. I just. Don't call me mama unless you're my son, you know, I'm like, really, really not interested. I once quit, like, a workout video, like, a prenatal thing, because it was just like this, like, not pregnant woman being like, okay, mamas, and now it's time for child's pose. And I was like, I physically can't do child's pose right now because I have a belly. But also, like, you keep calling me mama. So, like, could you. Could you think through this?

[Yassi Salak]

That was very funny, too. The number of times she fell on the stomach.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It was really good.

[Yassi Salak]

Also, Chris Gears. I can't remember the character's name. Random obsession with Red Table Talk. And Jada. Oh, yes, a wonderful ran. I love that. Kind of just super random, like, ongoing bit that has nothing to do with anything.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And it's where you can tell that it's, like, was not noted to death and. Or, like, there's still some connection to the original person who wrote it. You know, like, the specificity of the humor is kind of funny.

[Yassi Salak]

I mean, I'll just go on. I'm a huge Amy Schumer fan. I love her. And I think part of what really worked for with Kind of Pregnant. Have you seen Life After Beth?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I never watched that one. Oh, my God.

[Yassi Salak]

Amanda. It is one of the best shows of all time, in my opinion. It's in. I watched it twice.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

It is.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What is the premise again?

[Yassi Salak]

It's actually way more serious than you would think. It's not like slapstick comedy. It's about Amy Schumer's character's mother dying and her, like, sort of the after. Get it, like, the impact it has on her life and getting her changing her life because she has this sort of, like, profound realizations post her mother died that she had a complicated. It is so fucking good. And I think that's like, an underrated Amy Schumer quality, which you'll see if you watch Life After Beth, she's like a deeper thinking, like, kind of a more profound comedic person. And the. The through line, I think of kind of pregnant that I loved my feminism right back in the body is like, the idea of how embarrassing it must feel to be like, I wanna. I wanna have a baby, and I can't because I have not met anyone and I'm. Everyone's doing it and I'm not. And, like, you know, that doesn't get talked about that much.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. The exclusion.

[Yassi Salak]

And the exclusion. The, like, it's not. I mean, they did have her end up with someone, but also just like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, they wrapped this up pretty quickly.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like, it is a fairly, like, ridiculous story. And then.

[Yassi Salak]

But, like, that level, the level of, like, desperate desire for a thing you can't have causing you to do something so mentally ill, like, pretend to be pregnant to everyone in your life, I thought was like, a really, like, underneath all the hilarity, like, a good. An interesting message.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And it also, I. I wish I could remember more of the plot of I Feel Pretty, which was like, you know, me too.

[Yassi Salak]

I think that's when she hits her head.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And then she, like, loses all her body image. Yeah. But it's, like, in reverse. And so she's like.

[Yassi Salak]

It's a John Cena. Is that one? Or that's the other one?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, that's Train Wreck.

[Yassi Salak]

Train Wreck. Also a great movie. I Feel Pretty. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, it's. It's, like, a little long, but it's. Parts of it are okay.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm Amy Schumer. Santa.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. I. I don't know. I thought this was very charming. It does have real heart. As you were saying, I appreciated, like, they all go to, like, a prenatal depression workshop and then, like, lots of jokes about constipation and randomly.

[Yassi Salak]

Molly Sims.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. For like, two seconds.

[Yassi Salak]

A producer on the movie. Okay, well, good for her.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Bring her in.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I. I liked it too.

[Yassi Salak]

I say, yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. This is absolutely garbage. Women. Yes. Bang the gong. Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

I say, well, do you. Would you say it's garbage? Woman. Can garbage Women movies be good?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Great, great. Thank you. Incredible segue. Incredible segue. Can they be good? Yes, they can. They can't be like Nora Ephron movies.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay. So they're not supposed to. They're supposed to not be like a classic rom com.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They're not supposed to be cinematic works of art.

[Yassi Salak]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But they can be enjoyable and well crafted.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And like speak to something so the canon meaningful.

[Yassi Salak]

The canon has a. As a wide range of quality within the canon.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Exactly.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay, got so then.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

Gavel.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. So the rules are. Has to be direct to streaming. How do you know that you're watching Garbage Women? It's direct to streaming. It stars Nicole Kidman and. Or any other member of the Big Little Lies cast.

[Yassi Salak]

Correct.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And. Or any recent woman Oscar winner. Yeah, like best actress, best supporting actress in a direct to streaming movie and. Or someone who used to star in hundred million dollar movies at the box office.

[Yassi Salak]

That would be Amy Schumer.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And Lindsay. And Lindsay Lohan.

[Yassi Salak]

And Lohan for sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. I do think that counts. And who else? Cameron Diaz maybe?

[Yassi Salak]

Sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And Jennifer Lopez. But Jennifer Lopez is a good example. Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, I didn't watch that one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's okay.

[Yassi Salak]

But I asked my mom, who of course has seen it, and she said it was great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I actually did think it was funny.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So that for the most part, these movies aren't the worst movies that you've ever seen. They are.

[Yassi Salak]

Some of them are for me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But yeah, sure. They just, they don't have like the level of care and sophistication that really elevates them to all time classic.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And there is also just like, you know, Nicole Kim and Reese Witherspoon and Hathaway. Cameron Diaz, like Laura Dern. Laura Dern. All just making straight to Netflix movies, you know, like that feels a little bit garbage.

[Yassi Salak]

There's one on here that when we get to it, I will be pushing back on the garbage moving canon. So we'll.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So you think. Because you think it's like a classic.

[Yassi Salak]

I just think it's an actual proper good movie and doesn't belong here.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I, you know, I was brainstorming here. I was trying to bring some interest.

[Yassi Salak]

Excited to talk about it because I'm so glad it was on the list because then I got to see like one really good movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, so we're, we'll just go through it and we can debate whether they go in or not. Then you can let me know if I've forgotten anything. Okay. But so we'll just start with Big Little lies. Oscar winners got it. Obviously. Holland. You know, it's the reason it's. It's the news peg for this podcast. But, you know, I don't know if I would recommend.

[Yassi Salak]

If you're my parents playing solitaire. Absolutely. You should watch this film.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. If you need to, like, hit the real real for a while. Yeah, exactly. You know, great.

[Yassi Salak]

Throw it on the back. You're not going to understand what's going on.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's the problem is that if you're like really deep in your real, real, real faves, then you will miss something. And I did have to like, back 10. Back 10. Back 10 a few times.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. But I mean, Tanya, Nicole Kidman is starring in it, so it's garbage.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A Family Affair. Nicole Kidman, Netflix 2024 Yassi speak on it.

[Yassi Salak]

This is one of another horrible wig example where I'm like, what's happening here with your wig? I don't like to speak about people's appearances. That's such a lie. I love to speak about people's appearances. I went down another Reddit thread because I was like, researching.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Yassi Salak]

Zac Efron.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, well, sure, he had all sorts of.

[Yassi Salak]

I know he had a jaw surgery and his masseters were overdeveloped, but also there's other stuff.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

I would.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So you think that the level of work being done just for both of.

[Yassi Salak]

Them and without no judgment.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Do work.

[Yassi Salak]

I'll say it. I got Botox. I mean, send some other stuff.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, really?

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, Botox.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, it looks great. No, I know. I. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Since I was 33 years old. Ask me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I've been on the sidelines for so long from a. From a child birthing perspective that like, I'm. I'm thinking about dabbling.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But I haven't done it yet.

[Yassi Salak]

Well, I'm not here to recommend or to deny you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Not on this. Anyway. On our text chamber, we recommend dorms back and forth. Okay. Thank you. But you look great.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, my God, thank you. You too. You don't really need it. Honestly. I found their faces distracting is all. I want to say that. That part was difficult for me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

In their defense.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And in the defense of women of a certain age, in front of cameras everywhere, speaking also to you and me.

[Yassi Salak]

Totally.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The cameras have gotten too good.

[Yassi Salak]

No, I think that's part of the win thing also.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And so I do think that sometimes that, like, the, the production, like the, the lighting, the cameras, everything are like, not aligned with the way people's like, we don't hair.

[Yassi Salak]

We don't need it. We don't need this much definition. Like, let's take it back 10 notches. We were good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

We had a beautiful Vaseline on the lens.

[Yassi Salak]

You know, maybe that's why you can't see the Kardashians.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, right.

[Yassi Salak]

There we go.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But. But it is a hallmark of these movies that at some point they just say, like, okay, well, we're rolling, and that's how it's going to look.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All right. Yeah. The Family Affair wardrobe from Nicole Kidman.

[Yassi Salak]

Very good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Really aspirational to me.

[Yassi Salak]

There's a sweater that I like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

When she's in the kitchen.

[Yassi Salak]

No, when she's on the deck, it's like one second where he's there, like, in their love montage, and he brings her, like, a coffee, and she's wearing this fish, like, large white fisherman sweater. And I, like, paused and took a photo. I was like, where do I get that?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, there was. I mean, there was predictably a navy sweater, I think, like, crew neck, but maybe I do. It's my favorite color. And she's like, in the kitchen, which. Great kitchen, by the way.

[Yassi Salak]

Great kitchen. Maybe another, like, side bullet point of these movies. Lots of great kitchens.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, of course, because Nancy Myers is another. She's the godmother hallmark of this. And I think if the movie is written or directed by Nancy Meyers, it is not eligible for this. Also, like, all of her movies, like, go to theaters. Right. But, like, if the holiday were straight to streaming, like, maybe it would be in garbage. Yeah. But yes, all great kitchens. My thing about the Family Affair house, great house, but like, a very obvious, like, Los Angeles, like, mashup real estate lie of.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm like, what did you write? Harry Potter, bitch. Because this house. What are you writing? What books are you writing that bought you this house?

[Amanda Dobbins]

The exterior, wherever they are, is supposed to be on pch, but also, this is pre fires everyone, you know? Yeah. So we love you. But then it's like the exterior and the front of the house and the back of the house, like, really don't match. Sort of like in a Sound of Music way. I don't know if you know that, but the front of the Sound of Music house and the gazebo are two different locations.

[Yassi Salak]

No, I just nodded and I was like, okay, okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, you do. Okay, you're right.

[Yassi Salak]

I did not know that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

But I do.

[Amanda Dobbins]

We're big on sounding music in my house right now. But still a good kitchen. Still a Good house.

[Yassi Salak]

Great music, which you kind of texted me to watch out for. This one had really good music. The Wham opener, the Blondie sequence where she's wearing the cool Blondie T shirt while she's cleaning. It had good stuff. And also. Okay, I didn't watch them in order. I tried to watch your place or mine before this and then remembered I literally have seen this film, remembered nothing about it, but refused to submit, subject myself to it again. But I watched like 20 minutes of it. And then right into this, I was like, oh, the pacing of this and the dialogue is much better.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A family affair.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Than your place. It was genuinely funny.

[Yassi Salak]

It's funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I like the way that Joy King plays, like, a Hollywood assistant.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I do always, like, you know, behind the scenes, like making movies like, Hollywood, baby. Watch the studio. It's fantastic. But she is funny. She. Zac Saffron's very funny.

[Yassi Salak]

Zac Efron's very funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's very funny.

[Yassi Salak]

He's very funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Nicole Kidman is, like, sort of in a different movie, but that's okay because everyone else is being funny around her.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. That's not her thing. I. Kathy Bates.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah. Gorgeous.

[Yassi Salak]

Gorgeous Kathy Bates performance.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I forgot that Kathy Bates is just like, giving, like, setting her free by the fireplace in like. She's like.

[Yassi Salak]

She's like an anchor. But she's up there, up north. So I don't know, maybe Napa or something. But yeah, she has Big Sur. She really grounds the film.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure. Yeah. Of course. Normal stuff. You would not recommend this movie to us.

[Yassi Salak]

No, I would.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, if you like.

[Yassi Salak]

If you like. Garbage movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Women movie. This is like, I think a higher up in the garbage.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I found it incredibly charming. I remember, and I think I watched it the day it came out. I remember speaking with, you know, colleagues and fellow garbage women appreciators who were far less enthusiastic about it.

[Yassi Salak]

So.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And maybe that just says that it's like, lower on the garbage women quality.

[Yassi Salak]

I would say it's like a midpoint, like the. The montage where they try clothes on. Okay, thank you. I don't need that. Although she looks phenomenal in a top hat. And I was upset. Yeah. It didn't. It didn't do anything to me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I like it. But again, I was very envious of that closet. Like, literally, like the closet space, but also the things inside the closet.

[Yassi Salak]

I do. I felt like her wig changed lengths throughout the.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, maybe she got a haircut. Of course, you know. Right.

[Yassi Salak]

Of course. I did think Joey King was great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I liked the subplot of her and being sort of, you know, self obsessed. I did think it was kind of a Nepo baby coming of age subplot because that was kind of what her vibe is, you know?

[Amanda Dobbins]

But she seemed like a good assistant. Yeah, she was working hard.

[Yassi Salak]

She became a producer on Icarus Crush 7 or whatever.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I forgot that's what it's called. This is definitely garbage. Women. I also. I had a nice time with it. You mentioned your place or mind. So do you want to go there? Because we're moving into the Reese Witherspoon section of this.

[Yassi Salak]

We can talk about it again. I told you, I didn't rewatch it. And I don't like. I have a.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Yassi Salak]

You have a memory of. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So this is written and directed by Aline Brush McKenna, who wrote several, like, classic rom coms, if not, like, my faves, and then also wrote the Devil Wears Prada, which is one of the most important movies of our time.

[Yassi Salak]

Did you also do the TV show with Rachel Bloom? Is that why Rachel Bloom is in the movie?

[Amanda Dobbins]

She did, yeah, which I did.

[Yassi Salak]

I did actually kind of like that show.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She wrote Morning Glory also, which is, I think, the most underrated. Do you know about this one? Rachel McAdams is, like, a TV news producer working at, like, not the Today show, but, like, the third ranked. And then the anchors are Diane Keaton and Harrison Ford.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then she has a romance with, like, a. A news producer, Patrick Wilson.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, I know. I didn't even heard about this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think it's really charming.

[Yassi Salak]

Streaming?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, no, no. It was like 2010. Saw it with my dad at Christmas, and when we left the theaters, he was like, that should win best obsessed with your dad. He has a real. He has a love for cinema and a unique sensibility. Anyway, Aline Rush McKenna, very talented. This had some issues.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, it was a good movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's really not very good. I think a lot of it is the total lack of chemistry between reese Witherspoon and 100% her co star, Ashton Kutcher, who.

[Yassi Salak]

A little past his prime. If I'm. If. If we're. If. If I'm being feminist again, the tape exists.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And so I. I have to say this. I. Do you think he surprised me with how handsome he looked in this movie?

[Yassi Salak]

I met him. Did I tell you this? I met him in person once. And it. I was glam. Like, I was shocked, floored at how gorgeous. I never even thought. Like, I was like, he's not my thing, whatever. And in person I was like, oh, so I'd like a lot of privilege.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

But no, he's just like, he has a glamorous. He looks fine. It's only like bad or anything, but like there was something a little. A little dead behind the eyes. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe it's that lack of charisma.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It does also, I mean, the film is like sort of riffing on Sleepless in Seattle in the sense that they are in different places.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Throughout the movie and they just have to do a lot of split screen. But they also then are not in the same place. And he is like very clearly on like a green screen soundstage with like a picture of Dumbo projected behind him.

[Yassi Salak]

She's. She's also a writer, an aspiring writer. She's being a CPA or something. But. But she's in her heart, she's a writer.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This came out in 2023. And her fashion. As a aspiring silver, like writer and an actual mom. She's not aspiring there I felt indicted and upset. Most of it I wouldn't wear. But there was one pair of jeans where I was like, oh, should I research those? And then that had. That was like a moment of inflection.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. You had to do some introspection after that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then I like, I don't think I've worn clogs since. You know, because you just like, can't be. And I like, I ride for number six. But at some point you just like, you have to say goodbye.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So it's tough. They don't have chemistry and it's like very boring to watch them.

[Yassi Salak]

It's just like. Also another garbage woman trope is like the man, he can't commit. He's a playboy, right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

You know, he just can't do it. And. Except with you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. So, I mean, I think that is both like classic rom com and also all of these. A garbage women trope is that for the most part, these are women in their 40s.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. This is like kind of everyone starred in rom coms or Oscar winning films in the 90s and 2000s when they made those. And now they have to make roles for themselves and often have to imagine like the next generation of women's lives.

[Yassi Salak]

I was glad that he wasn't younger because I'm. Yeah, we'll talk about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm quite sick of that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They all have jobs, you know, so that's good. And it's nice that none of them are like, dependent on these men for really anything other than emotional or sort of sexual fulfillment. But there's not a lot of sex in any of these either. No, just kind of disappointing.

[Yassi Salak]

Except we're kind of pregnant.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that's true. Oh, my God. That is a really funny, big sex scene.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. But.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

So it's just not a good movie. The writing is bad, the dialogue is bad. There's no chemistry.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There's no chemistry.

[Yassi Salak]

It's kind of boring.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, she's charming, but I mean, it is garbage women. But yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

What up, everybody?

[Yassi Salak]

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[Amanda Dobbins]

When we up out of here, see how you can save on wireless and streaming versus the other big guys. @t mobile.com/apple intelligence requires iOS 18.1 or later. The other Reese Witherspoon entrant, you're cordially invited. We have talked about this on the big picture this year.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Directed by Nick Stoller, starring Reese Witherspoon and Will Ferrell.

[Yassi Salak]

Correct.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I. I didn't really know what to make of this. I did laugh at times.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I mean, I guess it's a rom com, though. Here's the thing. Is that like it's a garbage woman movie. Half baked, married with a garbage boy movie.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Or like a garbage young person movie. A garbage Gen Z movie. Because you could make a movie about the daughter. Right, Right. And then a movie about Reese Witherspoon, but they're kind of Jammed together.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. There were definitely funny moments.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I laughed.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

As I said to you, the. The Southern family, who's just like, I don't know what you're talking about. That did. Really? Yeah. I saw some of myself there, and Reese Witherspoon looks fantastic.

[Yassi Salak]

Couldn't get over it. I was like, if this was just a vehicle for how good she looks, Rachel is amazing.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They figured the cameras out on that one.

[Yassi Salak]

She looks. I don't. I'm sorry. I don't buy it that you are attracted to Will Ferrell.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, that's the other problem. Right. And that's another thing where this is. This is a romantic comedy where there is no chemistry between the people, even though they're both very funny on their own. But it just doesn't make any sense.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. That's. Again, my parents were like. It was funny. And I was like, okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, it was kind of funny and like. And I was, like, happy to watch it. And I watched it opening weekend, which is, I guess, you know, all they can ask of us.

[Yassi Salak]

I loved the Southern family. I thought they were the funniest part.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. I mean, it, like, basically would have been better if it were just about Reese Witherspoon.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. And. And being a sort of.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. But then, number one, it's like Sweet home Alabama, which is tough on a number of levels.

[Yassi Salak]

You had a baby in a bar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. And then you don't have Will Ferrell. And I would like a Will Ferrell movie, too.

[Yassi Salak]

He was very funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I love him. The best joke, and I'm not gonna spoil, but the best joke of the entire film, which I'm pretty sure was slapped, was the very last scene when they're in the car.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, I don't remember. Maybe I turned it off before the.

[Yassi Salak]

Credit when she's like, wait, do you have a job?

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's.

[Yassi Salak]

I don't smile, but it's. I laugh really hard at that joke.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, here. This. It's all been leading to this.

[Yassi Salak]

And we.

[Amanda Dobbins]

By the way, we're still just in the Big Little Lies Oscar winners category. We haven't even gotten to non. Big Little Lies. Oscar winner. This is an epidemic. But we do need to talk about Lonely Planet. So you watch Lonely Planet. At my request, I have asked everyone in my life to watch Lonely Planet. And I think you and Juliet.

[Yassi Salak]

Why are you punishing people?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Recommended it to me because I couldn't believe what I was watching throughout the entire. Entire film.

[Yassi Salak]

It is. Again, she's a writer.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure. So this is. Came out last year, stars Laura Dermot and Liam Hensworth.

[Yassi Salak]

Is that Miley Cyrus's ex husband?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. He of flowers and Malibu and all.

[Yassi Salak]

Of a fantastic job he did on reigning in his Australian. He's Australian.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

Never let that slip.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Good for him. Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Kudos.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is written and directed by Susannah Grant, and Laura Dern plays a writer who goes to a residency in, I believe, Marrakesh in Morocco. A writer's residency, and then somehow befriends the finance boyfriend of, like, another ingenue.

[Yassi Salak]

Writer who is published.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, she's like, an inspiration.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, she's Ruby Cower.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, exactly. And they are both discontented with their lives. And through a stolen bag incident and some insights about the NFL play calling system.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They find new meaning in each of their lives.

[Yassi Salak]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It is. Everything about it is so preposterous. And once again, the number one question is Laura Dern, Like, Laura Dern's going.

[Yassi Salak]

To go to Morocco. And they were like. This was. I was like, like, you know what, sis? If they were like, you can come and we're gonna film in Morocco and we'll pay you this amount of money. We're gonna film for four days.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

And then you can do whatever you want. This was just my theorizing. I'd be like, yeah, I'm coming, and you get to make out with Liam Hemsworth. I was like, well, they're enough good movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They do make out. Yeah, but that's it.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, there's no, like, sex scene.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, they don't spend the night together, do they? I mean, it's like they do spend.

[Yassi Salak]

The night together when they go on that little.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is it implied sex, like, in that they stand in one room in that closet or when. Oh, when they go on the vacation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Right? What are they trying to find themselves?

[Yassi Salak]

No, he just wants to. That's like, when they're, like, solidifying their relationship. He's leaving his. His Instagram poet. Poet. Because she cheated on. I'm sorry. I'm swollen. Don't watch this movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I mean, like. I mean. No, no, I spoiled the. I spoiled the NFL thing, but, like, not totally. So.

[Yassi Salak]

Speaking of 0 negative 200 chemistry, I.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Hope they use that play in the NFL, by the way. It is football related. I don't know whether it's college, high school, NFL.

[Yassi Salak]

Because he was a football star in. In high school.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, my God. I do remember that scene when they. She, like, tries to guess his nickname and then guesses it on the first time. That was so stupid. Also, so she said this like beautiful writer's retreat, which is like again, the location and the real estate porn here.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, it's so beautiful.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Except like her palatial room is like too beautiful. So then she's just like in a closet.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, because I don't have water or something. Also, I'm sorry your bag was lost, but you have a dry bar level blowout every day. Explain that to me. Where's your face wash?

[Amanda Dobbins]

The one pair of shorts that they put her in was I again, I thought a crime. And I understand people travel in, you know, their most comfortable clothing. The shorts were really bad. Don't do that to Laura Dern.

[Yassi Salak]

She has great hair though.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, she does look great. I mean, I guess that it was, but I'm not. The blowout was like the day before.

[Yassi Salak]

It's like six days though. It's that shit is grease falling out. What's. What's happening?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I guess that's true.

[Yassi Salak]

You bring your Dyson Air Wrap on the carry on? I don't think so.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But listen, if you're. If you are bringing the Dyson airwrap, do keep it on your person. You do not want the airline to lose that.

[Yassi Salak]

You're so right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Do you air wrap?

[Yassi Salak]

No, I actually tried to air straight. This is. This is like the most female. We are the most feminist. Big pig pot. There's not one man still listening to this Dyson Air. I tried to use the air Straight yesterday because I'm gonna cut my hair. I'm doing a bob.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, that's exciting.

[Yassi Salak]

Spoiler alert for you guys who care about my hair. And I was like, but I need to straighten it because my hair is curly and it did not work for me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

I think I need the full on damage heat.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, okay. So it's a different attachment or a different machine?

[Yassi Salak]

It's a different machine. It's like a flat iron version of the Airwrap.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, okay. I got it. I see. I read a lot about the Airwrap, which for those of you not listening is like a. Like listening and not following along for some reason is like a viral, like very expensive hair tool.

[Yassi Salak]

It's a very high quality blow out brush with several other attachments.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

That uses like patented Dyson technology and.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It'S like tens of dollars and it's like really big on TikTok. Yeah. And I watched.

[Yassi Salak]

I do want one. I.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's too much work is what I ultimately decided. I was like, I'm actually not. Do you have patient Sometimes? Yeah. But I have just like a sort of like the round driver thing. Because I can't be. It's too much. Okay. Lonely Planet, an incredible movie that's definitely going in the garbage cannon.

[Yassi Salak]

100,000%.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The final one I just put in to be cute. Have you seen Let Them All Talk, The Steven Soderbergh movie starring Meryl Streep and Candice Bergen?

[Yassi Salak]

That's the one I wanted to push back on you. I thought that was a really good movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's fantastic. It's actually really good. Literally. It meets all the criteria. It was straight to max. Meryl Streep, Big Little Lies Star season two Oscar winner. It's way too about women.

[Yassi Salak]

It's way too good to be in this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

They filmed it on a boat.

[Yassi Salak]

There's no romantic real plot, except unless you count the subplot of the nephew.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

It's Meryl Streep, national international treasure. Diane Wiest, who I love. Candice Bergen, who I love triply. That's my girl.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like, listen, speak on it.

[Yassi Salak]

Women of a certain age. Not even of a certain age. Of the other garbage can. And we're talking another rung up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right?

[Yassi Salak]

And it's about. It's about bigger themes, Right. It's about friendship, relationship, betrayal. Like, she is a writer. So that does tick that box.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like it's kind of all there.

[Yassi Salak]

I mean, they improvise the dial.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Garbage women can be good.

[Yassi Salak]

Steven Soderbergh directed this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Whatever, you know. Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

I'll put it. But it's at the top of Mount. Mount Garbage on it. This is the shining star.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's fine.

[Yassi Salak]

I loved it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's really good. It's really good. All right. So we can expand the aperture a bit. So non Big little eyes. Oscar winners. There are more here than you want there to be. The most obvious one is the idea of you. Anne Hathaway, Amazon prime adaptation of a very successful romance novel.

[Yassi Salak]

Which is fanfic.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which is fanfic. The character does bear a lot of resemblance to Harry Styles.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

Are you a Harry Styles, girly? Does he do it for you?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I get it. But I'm not like, I haven't been to a concert for a long time. I didn't. I hadn't listened to any of the songs. And then one day I was like, oh, so that's what watermelon sugar is. I've heard that before, you know.

[Yassi Salak]

Sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But yeah, sure. He's. I get it. He seems to have charisma.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The guy playing whatever version of him and the idea of you does not have charisma.

[Yassi Salak]

So I thought he was so hot.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, this is interesting.

[Yassi Salak]

I don't know if he has charisma, but he's really hot.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, sure. Everyone in these movies is beautiful.

[Yassi Salak]

British accent for me is a real easy swap out for charisma. I'm like, if you have a British accent, I'm buying it. I'm in. I'm sold.

[Amanda Dobbins]

My problem was that I did not believe that he was worth all of the hoopla that Anne Hathaway had to go through.

[Yassi Salak]

Even his no earned relationship.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, even. And including like the sex scene, which I guess was okay, but was really not that hot.

[Yassi Salak]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So this is. Anne Hathway is a gallery owner in Silver Lake who accompanied, but that was not Los Angeles and accompanies her daughter to Coachella Tri.

[Yassi Salak]

Triggering. This is a horror movie for me and on many levels. And I'm going to explain to you, but it was absolutely a horror movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

For a One Direction type band. Meet and greet, meet and performance. Sure. Has One Direction headlined Coachella Yassi.

[Yassi Salak]

I don't think so.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I've never been to Coachella.

[Yassi Salak]

That was asked. That was also fanfic. That was aspirational. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then the first of all, she's wearing sandals.

[Yassi Salak]

What are you even talking?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Can I.

[Yassi Salak]

Can you not to Coachella? Are you insane? Well, disgusting.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I wouldn't know because I've never been to Coachella, but I actually do like that outfit. And like of all of the aspirational mom wardrobes, I was like, oh, that is pretty good. And I have sort of a. She's wearing like an ombre shirt and I have. I bought a ombre button down.

[Yassi Salak]

You were inspired by. Okay. By her Coachella fault.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, the Harry Styles type guy takes an interest in Anne Hathaway.

[Yassi Salak]

Who wouldn't? She's drop dead gorgeous. She's truly stunning.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, she looks incredibly beautiful. And then they have like a passionate love affair transcending continent generations. And her ex husband's approval played by.

[Yassi Salak]

The guy from Veep whose name I don't remember.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that guy. Yeah, he's pretty mean. This was. I. This is. This is directed by Michael Showalter.

[Yassi Salak]

I. Yeah. So I wanted to.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's not bad.

[Yassi Salak]

It's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's not poorly made.

[Yassi Salak]

No. But it's like, okay, why can't I have in bold. Why can't the writing? Because good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, it's tough. It's co written by Jennifer Westfeldt, who I Love.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, but there is like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like, grownups made this movie.

[Yassi Salak]

Your point about, like, it doesn't seem worth you throwing up. Like, here's. I just. I'm sorry to do a dramatic reenactment, but there was just one moment that the dialogue was so bad I had to write it down where they're talking. And she goes, okay, Hayes Campbell. That's his name. And he goes, not the first and last name. I can't. That was Scottish. I'm so sorry. I'm not good at accent. Unlike Nicole Kidman. And then she goes, you don't like that? And he goes, it just doesn't tell the whole story. And then she gets really serious and goes, I can see that. And I'm like, what? See what? What are you even talking about? And this is supposed to be, like, a moment where they've really deeply connected. And I'm like, you've known this man for one day. What can you see? What are you guys even fucking on about? And then they're in love, and I'm like, okay, I need to just, like. You need to earn it a bit more.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, well, they're, like, not in love. Then they're just, like, having sex.

[Yassi Salak]

But then they're.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But then they're separated because TMZ gets the photos and she goes to camp, and her daughter's, like, really mad.

[Yassi Salak]

Why the hell did she. First of all, why did she fly coach to go see him? Why are you in coach? I was so thrown off by that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was like, well, she's doing it herself, right?

[Yassi Salak]

I don't know. I thought.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, she called him.

[Yassi Salak]

She didn't surprise him.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, but I think that if that.

[Yassi Salak]

Pop star doesn't send me a fucking first class flight, I'm not coming.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Listen, you the host of blandsplain. You. You set the rules. And, I mean, I agree with you, but I do think she was doing it herself or that she was supposed to be empowered.

[Yassi Salak]

You know, him playing the acoustic guitar in the bed. So triggering for me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's really, really, really tough. No. No one wants to be a part of that. And then I. Her daughter is a great actress who's, like, 25.

[Yassi Salak]

Perfect casting because she looked so much like she could be Anne Hathaway's daughter.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Except, like, that person doesn't need to go to sleepaway camp because she's a grownup.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. She's not. Not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's okay.

[Yassi Salak]

She's meant to be, like, 15. Yeah, I know.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm like, this is a woman, right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm also kind of like sleepaway camp is letting people check TMZ every day.

[Yassi Salak]

No, they didn't have phones, so I think it was not until they got picked up that everyone found out about it because they were, like, freed from the tyranny of phone jail or whatever.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

It's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I wasn't really a camp person. Were you a camp person?

[Yassi Salak]

No, no. My parents are foreign. We don't do that. Okay. No, no, no.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Weird movie. I like it. I enjoyed it.

[Yassi Salak]

I didn't.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You didn't enjoy it?

[Yassi Salak]

I mean, there was some parts where I enjoyed. I just love her. She's so beautiful. Yeah, but like, from the. From the beginning, where they're like Maggie Rogers song and the Silver Lake Sunset Junction sign, I was like, oh, no, come on. I don't deserve this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The obligatory all time reference. All time is a maybe if you're.

[Yassi Salak]

Not here and not. I don't want to be like, a snob and like, oh, this is like, yeah, if you're not here. It probably doesn't hurt that much to see these things, but I was like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I want to hear about Glendale as.

[Yassi Salak]

A. I've always wanted to go to Glendale. Also, the piece of art that she's like. It makes me feel everything. That is one of the ugliest pieces.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Of art I've ever seen. Really ugly. Yeah. Okay. But it. It goes in your.

[Yassi Salak]

Your best friend and co host Shanahan Fennesee gave this three and a half stars on letterlocks. I was blown away.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So he's a big Anne Hathaway.

[Yassi Salak]

Same. But.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And listen, I think if you're just, like, coming to this movie, it plays as a movie.

[Yassi Salak]

It is a movie. You know, the actors are clearly visible and they're. It's in English.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I will give it that because it was Anne Hathaway and because it was, like, directed by Michael Showalter and, like, a little buzzy, people saw it, which is some of the garbage women movies. Like, We're Alone, you know, in the. In the salt mines with. With Lonely Planet, you know, like, not everyone is seeking them out, but people.

[Yassi Salak]

Saw the idea of you, so that's good. Okay, I'll give it the Wang Chung Needle drop. I'll. I'll be sort of positive.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All right, so this one is borderline, but I have a case for it. The Good Nurse.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay. That one I didn't watch.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. So this is. This is not a comedy. This is a thriller starring Jessica Chastain and Eddie Redmayne. But she plays it. It's It's a Netflix film. And she plays a nurse or. Or some sort of like, medical professional.

[Yassi Salak]

Another allowable female job.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Another allowable female job. And like a working mom. And she is faced with something very horrifying at work. And so she's trying to keep her family safe and, like, do the right thing. And is Jessica Chastain Oscar winner. Just in like a very pulpy, confusing.

[Yassi Salak]

Not to say Eddie Redmayne also.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Eddie Redmayne, also an Oscar winner. So it's definitely garbage something.

[Yassi Salak]

Maybe it's like a Holland situation where they were tricked into thinking it was gonna be a really good movie and then it wasn't. I didn't see it, so I, I can't pass judgment.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't think that Garbage women has to be strictly romantic comedy. I think that holds us in, you know, and we can be mediocre in a lot of different ways. And really, really famous actresses can take all types of bad parts.

[Yassi Salak]

Sure, sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But I, you know this one because it does also center on Eddie Redmayne a lot. It's more of like a garbage two hander. So maybe it's more like it's equal.

[Yassi Salak]

Opportunity, gender equality garbage movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Bridget Jones Mad about the Boy.

[Yassi Salak]

Well, you know how I felt about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. You were on the Big Picture listening to this. Yeah, I love Bridget Joy, but it's, it's. Do you think it's good in.

[Yassi Salak]

In what sense? On what metric? It's hard to say with a sequel because you have, like, so much built up goodwill for this character.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And this is a Forkwell, so I.

[Yassi Salak]

Would have seen it in the theater 100%. I was actually mad that I was robbed of that experience of getting to go to Alamo Drafthouse or whatever and have a giant wine and some truffle popcorn with my gals.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

And like, live it up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. Instead. You did that with your parents at home?

[Yassi Salak]

I did that with my parents at home.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did your parents like it?

[Yassi Salak]

No, actually, I watched that by myself.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, okay.

[Yassi Salak]

But I think my parents would have liked it. My mom is a. She's a fan. My dad would have.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I just remember your. I guess your mom watched the third Bridget Jones film with you.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes. And said, that's the baby.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And Patrick Dempsey's in it.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. And she said he shouldn't talk.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes, exactly. And that stayed with me.

[Yassi Salak]

She has a real cutting thing to say about some celebrities. And I'm always like, oh, why do you hate this person so much?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think, I mean, this is technically IP and the original Was theatrically released and sort of a like. And it was a big budget thing.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And made money and is a cultural phenomenon. And I love it dearly.

[Yassi Salak]

I think it is garbage movie canon or garbage women.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Yeah. Because. Go ahead.

[Yassi Salak]

Because. Which I've been dying to talk about this this whole time. The May December. Is that what you call it when it's a woman and a man? Or is it the other way?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think it can go both ways.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

As. As seen in the film May December, which is not eligible because. Because even though Netflix did acquire it.

[Yassi Salak]

It was released in the theater.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, it's more that, like, I guess it wasn't ultimately really nominated for Oscars, but it was very prestige. Got it.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, it was. It's too fancy not to be like sixth wave feminism or the feminism has left my body. But why are we pushing so hard for women to date younger men and it to be so empowering when it's. When men do it in movies, everyone's like, ugh, can you believe this crime against humanity that this man is committing? What is the. What is the fucking difference?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't really. I don't understand why we're doing it either.

[Yassi Salak]

It doesn't do it for me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I guess there are many women who. For whom it speaks to them, like, for whom it is appealing and that, you know, I'm not here to judge. I guess as long as everyone is being, you know, consensual and responsible.

[Yassi Salak]

I think if the idea is like, no women over 40 are still desirable, I'm all about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

But if it's only to younger men, then it's a fetish. Do you know what I mean? Like, can you just put it with.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A regular age demand, a real commercial trend that is clearly making its way into movies at like a. I don't know if it's over representative, but we've had a lot at once because people are like, like Hollywood is like, oh, it seems like people who watch streaming movies are interested in this.

[Yassi Salak]

It's totally, totally Mama, stay. But for dating, it's like, you go. You go, girlfriend.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It is troubling. In Bridget Jones Mad about the Boy, there is that scene where he comes back and she is like, she's being responsible for both of them, you know? And it's like, no, because you need this life. And so maybe subverts the form of her. Maybe we think it's okay because the. The women are conscientious and are thinking about everyone as opposed to the men.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know. It is strange. He. Leo Woodall is the. Yeah, he was great in it, so he's very good. Okay. I have two more.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sort of controversial, but I think I.

[Yassi Salak]

Only saw one of them.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's okay. So the. The first one. And this is a real cell phone of sorts here. But listen, everything's on the table on the rocks.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay. I did see that one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Written and directed by Sofia Coppola, who is an Oscar winner.

[Yassi Salak]

So is she the garbage woman in this scenario?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, she is the reason that it's eligible. So we're stretching it a little. And it was only. It's a 2020 movie, so it was co produced. It was a 24 and Apple. So I don't know whether it was ever intended to have a theatricals thing, but it just did. Streaming, I believe, because of 2020. I don't know, maybe it was in theaters.

[Yassi Salak]

I didn't even know.

[Amanda Dobbins]

2020 was like, really tough. I watched it at home. It stars Rashida Jones and Bill Murray.

[Yassi Salak]

Yep.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, there are parts of it I like.

[Yassi Salak]

I thought it was kind of good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's not bad. Yeah, it's. It's like not Sophia's strongest work, but it's, you know, it's not going to be on the 25 for 25 list. Sorry for the spoilers, but it does also fit. It's like about a mom who.

[Yassi Salak]

Why does she have so many striped shirts?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I mean, because I have striped.

[Yassi Salak]

Shirts, like every shirt.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, it's because that's how Sophia dresses. And so she's like.

[Yassi Salak]

This is her proxy for herself.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Exactly.

[Yassi Salak]

And her proxy for her relationship with her father.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

Which is also why she cast Rashida Jones because she has a similar father. Daughter.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

Or had RIP.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I do think Rashida Jones is a writer.

[Yassi Salak]

Or maybe she's 100%.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, she's definitely like. She's working on her laptop.

[Yassi Salak]

She was given an advance for that. She needs to turn in.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. But it's hard because she's a mom. Yeah. And then her husband is like maybe having an affair. So then she and her dad, like, have hijinks, but it's kind of like melancholy because it's a Fia Coppola movie.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, I thought.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then there's a really good Cy Twombly in Bill Murray's apartment because she's a client's apartment. Oh, that's right. Yes.

[Yassi Salak]

Thank you. I just watched it yesterday, which is why it's end this morning, actually. It's so beautiful because it's Sofia Coppola. It's so beautifully shot. Bill Murray, never a bad thing to say about that man. He's a phenomenal actor. The face acting he does. He's so charming. He's so wonderful. The story is okay. It's a little flimsy, but it's okay. Yeah, I liked that. It was like bringing up the ideas of like, can men ever be faithful? Can, you know, like, can you hold your husband's interest if you have children? And you're like, there's that great dialogue bit about like him saying like, she's like, why did you cheat on mom? And he's like, you know, it explains why. And he was wonderful.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, he's amazing.

[Yassi Salak]

I, Jenny Slate, by the way, also is in this movie. Just in like a repeating little like.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, the drop off mom.

[Yassi Salak]

Drop off mom.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Really funny.

[Yassi Salak]

She was wonderful. I just, I like Rashida Jones, but I just, I was like, oh, I wonder if this would have been. I wonder if this could have been a better movie if there was a different act.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. With someone holding the center a little more.

[Yassi Salak]

But she, I mean, it was so believable. I'm like, you are this like, mom who, you know, is, was raised probably by this man and has some money and, and is raising two children and.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I think that it's garbage women in text, but maybe not in like in the trappings, in the. Well, certainly not in the Sofia Coppola.

[Yassi Salak]

Maybe like her and the character make it garbage women, though, respectfully, it's. Cause like she does the thing. Which is all the other reason you are not doing a thing. This character is not doing a thing that makes me root for you or makes me want your husband to still be interested. You, like, it's not like, oh my God, she's. How could. Which, you know, I don't want to spoil it, but whatever what he does or doesn't do, I'm like, who are you?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I think because it's 2020, it's like it, it does not represent the like last three to four years of like big names making like direct to streaming, like slightly half big romantic comedy esque movies, which is like the bread and butter of garbage women and like, is an observable trend.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But I do think it counts.

[Yassi Salak]

I think it counts too.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, the other one, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't get around to watching it. Did you watch any of Unicorn store?

[Yassi Salak]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

From 2017 starring Brie Larson, who did win an Oscar. I didn't either. We don't know. We won't find out.

[Yassi Salak]

We'll never know. It's a mystery.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I did make a list of some films that are not eligible in this category.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Julia Roberts for Ticket to paradise, which, despite what you might remember, did play in theater.

[Yassi Salak]

I don't even know that what that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Movie is that also stars George Clooney.

[Yassi Salak]

Nope.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, it's actually, I. Oh, right.

[Yassi Salak]

It was like they were, it's like, oh, they're reunited, they're older. And that's a rom com. I didn't.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

In the style of that Keanu Reeves and Winona Rider.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, exactly. I really did.

[Yassi Salak]

Like, even though it wasn't good, I.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Think that were it not, had it not played in theaters, you wouldn't have seen it. No, no. It would be garbage. And frankly, I really enjoyed it. Okay. But, you know, is it, Is it Pretty Woman? No, it is not. Okay. Charlize Theron, the Old Guard, which is a movie I've seen, but there's like some superhero sci fi. Well, I can't remember sci fi elements. I didn't revisit it because I think that, like, action movie ness of it makes it a different type of love.

[Yassi Salak]

I love her, Bob. Oh, is that why also Cameron Diaz movie wasn't part of this?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, it's at the bottom.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Because we can talk about, like, did there is. There's no, like, domestic life stuff in the Old Guard that I recall.

[Yassi Salak]

Got it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's more about, like, you know, world building and I think like, maybe they're like gods or something at the end. I, I, I didn't revisit it. I'm sorry. Don't yell at me, everyone. But it's not in Sandra Bullock for Bird Box.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, yeah. It's a horror movie. She has no chest.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's a horror movie. And I think that's something different.

[Yassi Salak]

She can't see. I didn't see it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Previously mentioned May December, Natalie Portman and Julianne Moore. Too, like, fancy.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. Too prestigious.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then Viola Davis is in a Netflix movie called G20, which comes out in like two weeks. I haven't seen it yet. Seems like it could be eligible, but I haven't seen it, so I don't know. Okay. We have kind of one that I just called, like, does it start? A future Oscar winner navigating a rite of passage with heart and possibly humor. And this is happiest season. Chris and Stuart.

[Yassi Salak]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which I do think counts.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like a rom com. Yeah. Which many of these are. And Kristen Stewart does a lot of different types of movies. Which I like about her, but she still is Kristen Stewart, one of the great actors of her generation. And. And also Aubrey Plaza, who's like, kind of the star of this movie.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think.

[Yassi Salak]

I think it counts.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It counts again. It's like a 2020 movie. And so it was on Hulu.

[Yassi Salak]

It's riding that fine line where garbage, holiday garbage. Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And that's another thing. So, like, holiday garbage is a different.

[Yassi Salak]

Right. A Family affair was also riding the line of holiday garbage.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There's Christmas.

[Yassi Salak]

It's set at Christmas. There's a Christmas tree from the beginning, and then they go celebrate Christmas with Kathy Bates grandma.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, that's right. But it's like California Christmas, so you.

[Yassi Salak]

Don'T notice it because it's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sorry, you're of California. So it feels like Christmas to you all of the time. But not for me. Yeah. So all of the, like, Netflix Christmas movies don't. Are not garbage women, even though they are, you know, they are for women. They are.

[Yassi Salak]

And.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And. And feature women. But it's like that. It's garbage holiday, as you said, not garbage. So happiest season on on the Line. Okay. The last four that I have eligible are I think, all absolutely dynamite. So kind of pregnant. We talked about.

[Yassi Salak]

Loved.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. But, like, true garbage women.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Irish Wish.

[Yassi Salak]

Love. Irish Wish.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So do you feel that it goes in garbage romance, or does it work here? I call this category Former Box Office Juggernauts.

[Yassi Salak]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Who.

[Yassi Salak]

It's so hard because Lindsay Lohan has not been that for so long that she's almost, like, transitioned into the new category.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Our Generation. Yes. For you and me here today, the two garbage women making this podcast. Lindsay Lohan is important.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, I agree.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So.

[Yassi Salak]

And Irish Wish was kind of her comeback, and it was like, my face is beautiful again. I'm back, bitch. And in a similar way to your place or mine? I don't remember anything about it except that I loved it. And I didn't have time to rewatch it, but I did actually really like it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And it also brought other people into the garbage women. You know, it's not Lonely Planet. You know, we were all experiencing it together, so I think that has value.

[Yassi Salak]

And they had chemistry, I thought.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, it was good.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. Shotgun Wedding. Your mom liked.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So this is.

[Yassi Salak]

What is the man's name? Fergie's ex.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, Josh Duhamel. Is that.

[Yassi Salak]

Who is it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think so. Okay. I definitely watched this movie when it came out. Yes. Josh Duhamel. And then there's a Great. Lennon Cap Kravitz plays a small role.

[Yassi Salak]

So Jennifer Lopez qualifies for you because she was in out of Sight and Selena.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And made.

[Yassi Salak]

And made in Hand. Wonderful movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The Wedding Planner.

[Yassi Salak]

Wonderful movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Jennifer Lopez. One of my projects in life is.

[Yassi Salak]

To watch all of her movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, not just that. And also, we're gonna talk about a couple that I haven't seen. No. Is to respect Jennifer Lopez and what she has brought to the world of cinema, to the world of music, to the world of premix liquor drinks, to the tabloids. She works.

[Yassi Salak]

She's given us so much.

[Amanda Dobbins]

She works so hard, you know, So I take her seriously. And I. And she's also a brand name. She's Jennifer Lopez.

[Yassi Salak]

She's incredible.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So there are a few Jennifer Lopez. There are many Jennifer Lopez straight to streaming movies that are not eligible because to me, they're too. Action. You know, like Atlas, which was recently on Netflix, I think also the mother. And it's sort of like Jennifer Lopez doing Liam Neeson roles and. Or sci fi roles, which.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, she was so good in. What's this? The crazy sci fi movie with Vincent Genoffee. To love that movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm trying to think the Cell.

[Yassi Salak]

The Cell.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The Cell.

[Yassi Salak]

You've never seen the Cell.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I've never seen this.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, this? Oh, this? Yes. Okay. Sorry. When I thought you were, like, doing.

[Yassi Salak]

Like, this Cell, like, so much range.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Glen Ross. She has so much range. And also she's like Jennifer Lopez. But the. So like Atlas and the mother aren't really on this because they don't like sci fi. My. You know, it just goes at garbage. Sci fi is its own genre. Garbage.

[Yassi Salak]

It doesn't contend with women's issues.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. I'm realizing now that I totally forgot Marry Me, which is her direct to Peacock streaming video.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes, I saw part of that and I believe I bailed.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Owen Wilson. Yes. Fun fact. This is the first movie that my son Knox ever saw. He was two days old. Old.

[Yassi Salak]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And he sat there on the core memory for him. Yeah. Absolutely. Shaped everything that's coming.

[Yassi Salak]

Neuroplasticity.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I think Marry me would also be eligible.

[Yassi Salak]

I think so.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But it's not very good. Even though Juliet Lemon will ride for the music and Marry me because she's a pop star who's like, set up.

[Yassi Salak]

She's with. She's married to another. Or set up with another pop star.

[Amanda Dobbins]

With Owen Wilson because he. He's holding up a marry me sign at one of her.

[Yassi Salak]

Before that, she's married to Another pop star who cheats on her or something. Isn't that. I think I only watched the beginning Y. And then they, then they bring him into her world. Wouldn't it be great?

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's like set up, but then they fall in love. Sure. Shotgun wedding. I don't totally. I mean, it's set at a wedding and then I think that like someone's in the mafia and not in the mafia, but like, oh, they're all taken hostage. That's right.

[Yassi Salak]

That's right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's very funny. She's really good in it. It's like, like, you know, a destination wedding. So like a resort location, lots of funny characters which is kind of doing like screwball comedy. Bringing in a little wedding planner. I liked it. It worked.

[Yassi Salak]

My mom, she liked.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, so I think that counts. Final one is back in action.

[Yassi Salak]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is the Cameron Diaz Jamie Fox. Yeah. Family action comedy. Yeah, it does. It is Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz together. So it is like a two hander, but. And they are like former CIA agents, I think. CIA.

[Yassi Salak]

I don't know. Yeah. Who.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Their cover is exposed and so they have to.

[Yassi Salak]

And she's pregnant. I just watched this. Well, I didn't, I didn't finish it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like in the past.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, in the past. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But like when.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, they've retired from the life because they were having a baby and now they're just normal parents and covers exposed due to an insane nightclub fight scene when they go to fetch their daughter who is 16 and also to be the nightclub.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. But so it is about both of them. But it's really about can Cameron Diaz be both a mom and a spy and a spy and a daughter. Because then there is also her mom issues with Glenn Close just like doing pretty great. I mean, Glenn Close will show up for anything at this point and do an accent as well. So in that since the focus is more on her and it is as much about like, you know, family stuff. And also the only time I laughed was mid action fight when Cameron Diaz is just like, look away, honey, you know, or something like that. But does it with perfect comedic timing. But it was like a family laugh instead of a like action laugh.

[Yassi Salak]

Right.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think maybe it could count.

[Yassi Salak]

I think it could count again. I watched this with my family. I did not. I left. They finished it. I don't know what happens at the end. I'm sure it doesn't matter, to be honest, but I do. I saw everything that you're talking about and I think it counts even especially with The Cameron Diazness of it all. I just. There's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, she's really. She hasn't been in anything for a while, so. And it is like. Like beloved actress who used to be in a type of movie.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah, something about that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He went to the movie theaters all the time. Emblematic of an age is like back making something not very good, but a star vehicle on a streaming service which.

[Yassi Salak]

I believe was heavily watched.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, who knows what people are up to, you know what I'm saying? While they're doing whatever on their own. Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

I love her. I love Avileen wine. Everyone knows that about me. And. And I think it counts, but I don't hold it against her.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Wow. Jack Sanders has been making notes as we go along.

[Yassi Salak]

Oh. Screaming and screaming into the void.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, this is. Okay, but. So I'm gonna read them out. Okay, but Jack, I think. A family affair. You're cordially invited. And your place in mine are also in the garbage cannon. Lonely Planet. Let them all talk. The idea of you. Bridget Jones, Mad about the Boy on the Rocks kind of pregnant. Marry me, Shotgun wedding. And back in action.

[Yassi Salak]

Did you say happiest season?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Where did we go on happiest season? Cause it was sort of holiday garbage, so maybe not.

[Yassi Salak]

I can't. It's so hard to tell that one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, we can put it in. We can do. We're in charge. We can do whatever we want. I say that to Shawn all the time. Okay, now that I've read the list to you, how are you feeling about the garbage women canon? Not as like. Not as this exercise. We had a great time. But how do you feel about this type of movie? How do you feel about this social experiment that I just put you through?

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. I don't want to do this again. You don't? I loved it with you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, but you. You won't seek out the next Jennifer Lawrence straight to streaming.

[Yassi Salak]

Here's the thing. There's so many good films I haven't seen.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, sure.

[Yassi Salak]

And I just want to note for the record, I love coming on the big picture, but I just hope I'm not being typecast as the garbage movie expert, because it does. You guys. I can talk about good movies too. I do watch good movies. No, I listen. It depends. What's the vibe? Is it the holidays? Even if it's not a holiday one, I'll throw it on. That's like a. That's a fast and loose time where we're just lobotomy braining around, right? Yeah. Do I need to watch it with my parents? Then, yes, I'll watch it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Yassi Salak]

But left to my own devices, I'd like to get through some of my unwatched letterboxed lists.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So you're. You feel you're. You're too high minded. Would you prefer it if the garbage women movies elevated themselves to your letterbox to watch list? Would that. Do you want them more?

[Yassi Salak]

I don't. I. Prestige. I don't think they could be. I think that's. I think you're. This is a paradox, okay. Like, that's why I pushed so hard against. Let them all talk.

[Amanda Dobbins]

All right.

[Yassi Salak]

Because I'm like, that is. It's far too good to be a garbage women movie. Like it. It kind of like catapults itself out of the. Of the genre.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think you need to free your mind a little, I think. I guess also. So what are you watching when you want to turn your brain off?

[Yassi Salak]

Oh, Grey's Anatomy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Yassi Salak]

I'm like, maybe I'm more of a garbage television one. Sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So that's the thing is that I'm. I'm here trying to find a space in cinema for my garbage tastes too. Got it. You know?

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And so we have room for all the really good movies.

[Yassi Salak]

Well, you know, like, I loved Hot Frosty famously.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That is in fact why I texted him about this, because I was like, do you watch movies other than Hot Frosty?

[Yassi Salak]

The thing is, Hot Frosty knows what it is. I think some of these garbage women movies are trying to. They're trying to pull one over on me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salak]

They're trying to be like, no, this is good. And I'm like, right. It's not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, because they're trying to like a family affair works.

[Yassi Salak]

Because I think it knows that it's silly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. And it's also I think it knows that it's trying to do the broadest audience possible.

[Yassi Salak]

Whereas, like, Lonely Planet doesn't know that it's silly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Lily Planet is just one of the most profound achievements of just weirdness that I've ever seen in my entire life. I really love these movies because I don't feel seen very much in movies.

[Yassi Salak]

You don't wish there was more like, mom. Writer mom. That's a writer movie that was maybe more contending with larger themes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did you happen to see Night Pitch? I didn't, so the Marielle Color.

[Yassi Salak]

I didn't really like the book.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Amy Adams. Well, I didn't even read the book, so congratulations to you. You. I did see the movie while on parental leave. And typically, how did you feel about it? Well, so typically, I have not been, like, a Marielle Heller person. Like, as Sean says, it's sort of like black licorice filmmaking to me. But I did feel that all of this stuff about being a parent to a toddler was, like, very accurate and, you know, lived in and came from someone who had both experienced that, but. But is good at filmmaking and knows how to communicate the situations and the feelings in film. Sean and I believe it was Rob Mahoney and Joanna, did a podcast.

[Yassi Salak]

I listened to the episode. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And Sean was trying to figure out, like, why aren't there more movies about this time period in life? And for me, it was, like, deeply triggering. Well, I was just kind of like, I don't want to spend my free time, like, watching, you know, I don't want to spend my free time being reminded of the really difficult parts of having a kid. Like, it's very hard, and I learn it all the time. I live it a large part of the time anyway. So I think I prefer my mom content in ridiculous, lighter situations like Big Little Lies or A Family Affair or. I don't know. I guess none of these people are. Have tiny children, because I guess Bridget Jones.

[Yassi Salak]

Mad about the Boy and Bridget Jones.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, they're small, and that was funny. So. No, I kind of want absurd. Like, sometimes I want dumb stuff, too.

[Yassi Salak]

I get it, you know? Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's where I am.

[Yassi Salak]

I just told you I watched Grey's Anatomy in 2025. I'm caught up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So is Juliet Lippman.

[Yassi Salak]

Love it. Juliet. Shout Out My Dog. My Gray's Family. We love that show.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What's the latest with Mary Meredith?

[Yassi Salak]

I don't want to spoil. Okay, you guys need to watch it. Everyone's like, do you watch the Pit? And I'm like, I should, but I'm busy watching Chris and Out of Me.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I wish most of these movies were slightly better, but I also don't want them to be too good.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. Like, you want, I think, a Family Affair or kind of.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I would watch that.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah. Kind of Pregnant for me is almost out of the. I'm not gonna fight it. But it's almost out of the genre, too, because it's so funny that it's just a basic good comedy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Yassi Salak]

Whereas, like, I guess if you're a man who doesn't care about any. Any woman's interiority or lives, you can't watch this and good luck to you in life. But, like, to me, it's like, it's just a broad comedy. Like anyone should be able to watch this and enjoy and laugh, right? Well, I would like feminism. Do you see that?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, that was beautiful. I would like that for all of them.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, except for maybe that's not. Except for maybe Lonely Planet. Like every once in a while I need something like really random, like just, you know, an absolute God tier level actress taking on like the worst script to be able to go to.

[Yassi Salak]

Go to Marrakesh and. And be with Liam.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There is something exhilarating about that.

[Yassi Salak]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I hope Netflix keeps writing those checks again.

[Yassi Salak]

That one tried to be high minded. I think that was the hard part for me where it was like, it was.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There was like some financial systems critiques in there.

[Yassi Salak]

The theory and then like, oh, this is what I apply to my life and. But yeah, listen, I don't want to shit on this. I'm a feminist sometimes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It is our month.

[Yassi Salak]

It's our month.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So we need to end on a spirit of positivity. Yes. Thank you for watching all of these movies because I, I think we've learned that you don't seek them out.

[Yassi Salak]

I was gonna say it was my pleasure, but that would be lying.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But I was hoping that's solidarity, you know, that's women supporting women. That's so. I really, I appreciate you. Thank you. Yassi.

[Yassi Salak]

Namaste too.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Thank you to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thank you to our producer Bobby Wagner. Thank you to powerful women everywhere. Next week on the show, Jack Sanders. I can't see you, but next week you'll be able to. He is going to make his on camera debut. I will be speaking to the next generation about how they watch movies. See you then.

[Yassi Salak]

Sa.