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Chris Ryan
Hey, what's up? This is Chris Ryan. On Mondays and Thursdays you can find me co hosting the Watch with Andy Greenwald. We are still cranking it out. We talk about a lot of things in pop culture, music, movies, but most of all, our ever changing TV landscape. So check out the Watch for recaps of your favorite TV shows, updates on the streaming wars, and recommendations on what to watch. Because there's a lot to watch on Mondays and Thursdays on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Sean Fennessy
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Amanda Dobbins
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Sean Fennessy
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Chris Ryan
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Sean Fennessy
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Amanda Dobbins
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Sean Fennessy
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Amanda Dobbins
In heaven.
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Sean Fennessy
Everything is fine in heaven. I'm Sean Fennessy.
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Amanda Dobbins
I'm Amanda Dobbins and this is the.
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Sean Fennessy
Big Picture, a conversation show about David lynch and other absurdist things in this universe. Chris Ryan is here. Hi, Chris.
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Chris Ryan
What's up guys?
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Sean Fennessy
How are you?
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Chris Ryan
I'm doing great.
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Sean Fennessy
David lynch has died. This is a terrible, terrible, terrible news. I contemplated opening this show in my David lynch voice, which is, hello, I am Sean Fennesee, host of the Big Picture. But I did not do that today because that would be disrespectful to one of my favorite filmmakers, one of the signature filmmakers of the 20th and 21st century who has died. Perhaps not surprisingly. He was 78 years old. Last year we learned that he had been diagnosed with emphysema. I had actually heard from someone in the recent days that he had gotten had escaped the fires that have been in Los Angeles over the last few days here and was very happy to hear that. And so this is very, very shocking and scary news. We've talked about Lynch a bit over the years on the show, though he has obviously not made any films since we've been making this show in 2022 I did do an episode with Adam Naiman where we talked about Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me and Lost Highway. And they both shared anniversaries in 22, and they had been issued on the Criterion Collection. And so we use that as an opportunity to talk about their work. If you want to hear a longer conversation about him, you can go back there. Amanda, you and I have not really talked about lynch very much over the years. What is your reaction to this terrible news?
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Amanda Dobbins
I mean, first of all, it's just. It feels like loss on loss on loss right now in Los Angeles. And David lynch, in addition to being one of the signature American filmmakers and in many ways, like the signature interpreter of American psychosis, was like a very Los Angeles figure and regularly did weather reports on kcrw, the public radio station. And at this moment, as you said, it just. It feels like a extra. Even even though he was ill, it feels like real loss. So. So that was my reaction. I mean, as far as his work goes, I do feel like he invented not just a visual language, but just like a new understanding of our own American psychology and what is lurking, like, underneath and the way we see things and the way we experience real events that have a surreal quality, because often they do, as we've learned in certain weeks. But, like, Lynchian is a word that comes to mind not just to describe cinema, though, obviously. Like, his influence on cinema is vast. And I think, you know, some of the reason that you and I haven't talked about him that much or that. I mean, he's a. You and Naaman lodestar. And I hope you guys do, you know, many video essays or monopods or whatever, you know, in the weeks to come. Because I know that's how you process your grief and your enthusiasm. But I also. Lynch is so influential that a lot of times we talk about. We have talked about him in terms of someone else ripping him off is ungenerous. But there are a lot of Lynchian filmmakers and people who grew up with his work trying to recreate it and no one ever could. And I often get, like. He was so singular and the touch and the vision and the weirdness, you know, like, the mind was so specific that anyone trying to do lynch, like, always falls flat for me, because it's not David Lynch.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah, I agree. I think it's very well put. It's. You know, he has come up on your show, the Watch Chris, quite a bit.
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Chris Ryan
Yeah, we talked about it today, on today's episode. I mean, he meant a tremendous amount to Andy I think it was really formative. Andy's relationship to Twin Peaks really got him started as a person who thought about television both critically and from a creative standpoint. So it was. It was a real blow. It's a blow for me, I would say, you know, this has been a period of time where we've talked a lot about our lions and the twilight of filmmakers who are kind of in their 70s and their 80s making these capstone films or perhaps keeping going on. And he threw a no hitter. I think if you look at his filmography and if you look at his contributions to television, it's really hard to, like, find. I'm sure there are some that are rated highly, more highly than others, but every one of them has something to really think about. There are no bad movies in his filmography. And he. He made an enormous contribution to cinema and to popular culture. And it's like a little bit like you're saying, I had on a hat for David lynch to pass away the week of the LA fires. But we have a tremendous amount of work to treasure him by, and I hope people go back to it.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah, we can talk about some of that here a little bit. It's been a long time since a famous person that I did not know died and I actually felt something. And I think it's important to honor artists, especially those who work in movies on the show when they die and recommend their work and get people to understand it and why it matters or why it's just fun or worthwhile. As you mentioned, like, he's. He's deeply formative for me and my taste and basically better understanding myself through art. So, yeah, I find it hard to talk about sometimes because also that surreality that you're talking about, that the. The dream state that is such a critical aspect of all of his work is something that most people don't have language for or emotional access to. And he's able to portray something that you otherwise couldn't put anywhere else. The fact, though, like, when I talked to Adam about it a few years ago, a thing that I kept circling back to that I think is, I don't know, I guess, like, meaningful to the way that we talk about things on this show, is he was deeply avant garde, but not an outsider. I mean, he's basically a mainstream artist square starting in, like, roughly 1982. And he's from Montana, and he represents that kind of American ideal and then the underbelly of that ideal all the time. And so his character, his sort of public Persona, the aw Shucksiness with that veneer of agitation right underneath the appearances on David Letterman. The eventually, the KCRW aspect of it, the influence of Transcendental meditation and the way that he brought that to the mainstream. In some ways, the fact that he conquered television, deeply conquered television, and more or less invented prestige television with Twin Peaks and the fact that. I think it's a good point that you're making, Chris, which is that there's something kind of rock solid and compelling about every movie that he made. He made 10 feature films in his career and a lot of short films. Many of them were failures, quote, unquote, commercial failures or critical failures upon their release. And they've all been reclaimed.
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Chris Ryan
It's a really good note to ourselves about how we think about the stuff we talk about and how time is really the only judge that matters on this stuff.
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Sean Fennessy
I think. I think when I spoke to Adam, I was saying that Twin Peaks is probably the first thing he did that I saw. And I could remember hearing Laura's theme in the living room when my parents were watching it or my babysitter was watching it and wandering in there and trying to make sense of it. And that the abstract qualities of that show, in a very familiar framework just imprint on you. And you're like, why is this different? But it looks the same. And the idea of like, a man comes to town and he's here to solve a crime, that's the framework of every movie and TV story for the last hundred years. But there just felt something that you could never put to words.
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Amanda Dobbins
I was just thinking about the Music man, which Chris has been watching in 10 minute increments with my son recently. And it's a man comes.
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Sean Fennessy
Sit down.
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Chris Ryan
There's a lot of different readings on the Music man happening in the Baron household right now.
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Sean Fennessy
I'm sure that David lynch has seen and thought about the Music Man. There's no doubt about it. Um, and so I think that there's something interesting about using the familiar to upend our expectations that he did very, very well. I remember vividly thinking about how he was offered. I think it was Return of the Jedi, and he turned it down to make Dune. And his Dune, of course, has been the topic of some discussion because we have new Dune films now. And I never really made. I could never really make sense of the Lynch Dune and the way that it was kind of chopped up and the way that he kind of compress the story. But the oddity of that, the writing in that novel actually makes him, like, weirdly, a Better fit than Denis Villeneuve. The movie itself just doesn't totally hang together. But even in all the things that are sort of like, don't work. And that was a lot of what we discussed with Lost highway, which got slammed when it was released, was that the not working is sometimes the point. The sort of like, this shouldn't be exactly what you want it to be or expect it to be. It's what it has to be. Which is an impulse I really always respond to.
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Chris Ryan
There's a bunch of behind the scenes footage from the making of Twin the Return that is just amazing to watch him work. You know, he's essentially trying to get all this stuff that he's got left over inside of him out. Right. But the things that he's concerned about are like, how black is the black. So he's like painted, you know, this soundstage they're shooting, I think that big takeout episode where the number eight. Yeah, number eight. And he's like obsessing over the tone of the black paint that's on the wall and how that's gonna be conveyed and whether it's too black or starlight would illuminate it at all. So we need to bring it up a little bit. And watching his mind work in that way and watching him sort of be the kind of person who cares about how black black is, is like, I don't know how many people out there still do that or, you know, or how many people ever were that laser focused on the way that images could make people feel. And if you get a chance to look at any of the Twin the Return stuff, you can see him at work in a way that's really magical.
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Amanda Dobbins
I'm about to groan at myself because we use this term so much. But he was like a true artist in.
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Sean Fennessy
He was a fine artist.
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Amanda Dobbins
He was a fine artist and he was just a very one of one mind interpreting the world visually and in ideologically in ways that like everyone else, like, take from and reframing it for all of us. And so. And a lot of that is visual, but it's like, you know, we call a lot of people artists who are creative and who make these. And that's awesome. I mean, I'm not an artist, but like, it's what a brain, you know.
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Chris Ryan
And the combination of the high and low. It's like, it was like to be able to like interpret dreams and visualize them and then also be like, I like donuts and the radio, you know, and cigarettes and coffee. Like, it was both the pop and the culture part, yeah, it was about.
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Sean Fennessy
Living in the real world. It's just the way that it manifests sometimes doesn't seem necessarily practical, I think, to the point that you're making. He was literally a painter and musician. He wasn't just a guy who told people what to do on a film set. He was someone who was desperately trying to get out whatever was in his head and manifest multiple ways. And, you know, big time collaborator, somebody who worked with his composer, Angela Battlementi many times, worked with Laura Dern many times, worked with Kyle McLaughlin many times, like, was always kind of recurring with figures, was always trying to find these, these, I don't know, these, like, conveyors of his ideas and his imagery and his sensibility. But he's a. I. I still don't totally feel like I understand all of his work. There's something kind of exciting about that, that I spend a lot of time on the show being like, this is what this means, and having a certitude about it and constantly figure out the intention.
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Chris Ryan
I know, I'll vote for you.
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Sean Fennessy
And there were definitely times when I was watching that series where you could simultaneously be like, this is a masterpiece and I don't understand what's going on right now. And that is actually what people who don't like critics think critics do all the time. That they sort of are quick to make proclamations about things without falling fully investigating their relationship to them. But there's. There's, like, Inland Empire is impossibly hard to watch and ugly and annoying.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes, I mean, that's the thing.
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Sean Fennessy
And also deep. Like, if there's a movie about the LA fires that exist, it's kind of Inland Empire, you know what I mean? Like, the idea of, like, accessing the difficulty of tragedy and our lack of control in the universe, that's a movie that does it, you know, it doesn't always mean it's as fun as Top Gun Maverick, you know what I mean? Like, it's just a totally different thing. But they operate inside of the same medium, so we feel the need to kind of lump them together. And they should be lumped together, you know, like, lynch was in many ways like a mainstream artist. So I like that he is part of both, that he can exist in both worlds very comfortably for us, or he could have. And the other thing, in addition to being an artist, is like, he's clearly like a spiritual person. Not a religious person, but a spiritual person and somebody who thought about the world. You know, there's the tweet where he's like, I feel weird. Like, I'm connected to the moon going around right now that he tweeted in, like, 2010, and I don't think he's doing a bit, you know, like, he was legitimately thinking about his relationship to.
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Amanda Dobbins
The moon, you know?
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
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Amanda Dobbins
Some of us more than others, but that's fine.
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Sean Fennessy
That's the thing, though. I mean, I think his Persona predates online influencers, but he is, like, onto something, you know, he kind of had a knack for knowing how to develop a cult around himself, too.
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Chris Ryan
Should we have a hot cup of black coffee in his honor after this?
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Sean Fennessy
I feel like a fraud drinking herbal tea right now. Like, this isn't what he would have wanted.
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Amanda Dobbins
We're just trying to get through a podcast with our voices and be able to talk about him. It's okay.
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Sean Fennessy
I'll smoke a cigarette with you today if you want.
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Chris Ryan
Okay.
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Sean Fennessy
In his honor. Do you guys have a favorite thing of his that you'd like to cite?
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Chris Ryan
I think Twin Peaks is my favorite thing by him. Yeah. Twin Peaks and the Return kind of invented, like you said, invents the next 30 years of prestige television and otor television and then shatters everything about it with the Return.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
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Chris Ryan
And the Return is, like, a really perfectly. It's a perfect example of, like, what you're talking about with Inland, too, where it's, like, challenging, dull, weird. Like you're waiting for something to emerge that feels like a plot, you know? Or you're like, I can't believe this is about, like, a dumb version of Dale, you know, or whatever you're watching.
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Sean Fennessy
And there's stuff in the Return where you're like, who is this character being played by this tremendously famous actor that showed up in episode 13? Like, he just, like, did not care about the conventions of expectation when you were watching something like that. It's pretty crazy. Twin Peaks is hard to go back to because it's just so much was at a time when there were so many episodes of shows. So wrapping my head around, like, I'll definitely. I have 60 hours to watch.
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Amanda Dobbins
I've never done all of it. I've seen some of it, but I.
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Chris Ryan
Was the second season, too.
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Amanda Dobbins
I was too young even to, like, dip in with the babysitter, which you also talked about on that David lynch episode with Adam Naiman and Rad babysitter is all I had to say.
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Sean Fennessy
I remember her well, Karen.
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Amanda Dobbins
I didn't have a rad babysitter. I don't know if my parents watched it. So Mulholland Drive was my first and also given Amanda's set of interests, like my favorite by far. And I think I saw it probably pretty close to its release because it was in the Oscar conversation, which is to our point, about the mainstream and straddling both worlds. It was accessible to 17 year old me and it was something I knew about. And I was like, huh, I guess that I should check that out. Even as I'm also like learning about old Hollywood and learning about like what noir is. And so, you know, coming to a genre and the exploration and the upending of the genre at the same time, it was like extremely formative and being like, oh, there are different ways to look at these things and different ways to express them and things can be really weird and also cool.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
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Chris Ryan
Have you guys seen Naomi Watts's David lynch impression? That video where she. She does. Did one of those, like straight to camera New York Times interviews, I think pretty recently. And she was like, David lynch once.
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Sean Fennessy
Told me, we can all coexist.
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Chris Ryan
Naomi, anyone who sits in the palm of King Kong is a movie star for life. That's such a good impression. I'm paraphrasing it.
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Sean Fennessy
Well, that was one of the big jobs that she got. In the aftermath of Mulholland, we skipped.
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Chris Ryan
Over your babysitter being named Karen.
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Sean Fennessy
She is named.
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Chris Ryan
Did she tell on you a lot?
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Sean Fennessy
No, she was a cool Karen. Trust me. This was well before Karen came to be known as an unfriendly term in this country. I think I probably talked about how in my adulthood, Twin Peaks Fire Walk with Me is the movie that I feel is like the biggest achievement because it's the most. It's the biggest rejection and re examination of the big thing that he did. And it's like, it really just makes you similar to Inland Empire. It makes you just sit in the pain and terror of someone's life being destroyed and then watching it end and then giving it like a very. A little bit of redemption. Like just a little bit of redemption. And him like, almost like looking at the marketing of Twin Peaks and being.
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Chris Ryan
Like, you guys got it wrong.
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Sean Fennessy
It's not just that this is a dead body. Like this was a person. And think about what that means to be a person. So that's a movie that has impacted me a lot. And then this is true of many a man in America, but when you have a child and you watch Eraserhead after having a child, you're like, oh, this is about having a baby. Like, I didn't realize that this is about having a. Like, obviously the character. There is a baby in Eraserhead, but you're like the actual mind state, the fugue state that you enter when you have a child. Yeah. Maybe you should watch Eraserhead tonight.
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Amanda Dobbins
No, I mean, this is the thing is that I deal with that very differently than you do. But, yeah, I guess it's about having a baby.
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Sean Fennessy
And they're all these like gnarled mutant creatures, you know, and you're hearing these sounds from the universe and you just feel completely haunted all the time.
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Amanda Dobbins
You're the sounds from the universe for me.
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Sean Fennessy
Yeah. What an amazing artist. God, I loved him so much. If you haven't seen the work of David lynch, listeners at home should absolutely explore them. I think many of those films are on the Criterion channel right now. Most of them are widely available. There's also a lot of short films that are available. I think there's a few short films on Netflix right now.
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Chris Ryan
I just came across something recently. I mean, I think I know how I like blocked this out, but I want to try and find on the Air, which is the show he made in 92 that he made with Mark Frost. He directed one episode, but it's basically about like a 1950s radio station that's.
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Sean Fennessy
More of like a sitcom. Right?
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Amanda Dobbins
Is it?
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Chris Ryan
Okay.
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Sean Fennessy
He did two TV shows in the 90s that weren't Twin Peaks.
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Chris Ryan
Yeah, Hotel Room.
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Sean Fennessy
Hotel, yeah. I feel like on the Air is like more of like a 30 minute episodic TV show.
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Chris Ryan
Okay.
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Sean Fennessy
His autobiography was written with Christine McKenna. It's called Room to Dream from 2018. Sort of an autobiography. Some huge swaths of autobiography. And then there's always a kind of like philosophical meditation going on in a lot of his work. Any final thoughts on David Lynch?
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Amanda Dobbins
I think you should do a syllabus or something. I mean, there's an obvious syllabus of the feature films, but, you know, do something else.
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Sean Fennessy
I gotta figure something out. I don't know what it would be. I mean, you know, he is pored over. That's the one thing about him, is he's the avant garde auteur who cracked through in America, maybe more so than anyone. Can you think of another figure who worked in such strange, beautiful ways, but who wasn't? Never took a job?
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Chris Ryan
Not with the level of his notoriety. Yeah.
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Sean Fennessy
Okay.
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Chris Ryan
Well, I had to transition from this into the Daredevil trailer on the Watch. So I throw the hammer from the.
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Sean Fennessy
Sublime to the absurd is how it should be.
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Amanda Dobbins
Who's in Daredevil?
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Chris Ryan
Bernthal. That's what we were talking about.
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Amanda Dobbins
Oh, okay. Who's Daredevil?
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Sean Fennessy
You've encountered Daredevil before? Matt Murdock. He's a lawyer. What film did he show up in recently?
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Chris Ryan
Spider Man. He's Spider Man's lawyer. He's blind.
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Amanda Dobbins
Right. And I remember that because you turned to me and you were like, that's Daredevil.
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Sean Fennessy
It's so cool to go to the movies with me.
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Amanda Dobbins
Ben Affleck also played Daredevil.
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Sean Fennessy
He did, right?
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
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Chris Ryan
And then you're like, this is about having a baby. Spider man is about having a baby.
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Sean Fennessy
Well, is it not?
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Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I'm going to drop both of my babies off at your house and you can deal.
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Sean Fennessy
Let's talk about award season. We've asked Chris to join us here as we make predictions. There's so many precursors to talk about because of the fire's many. Much of this news was pushed back and I think all of it is here now. I think we've now gotten bafta, wga, the Cinematographers Guild Oscar. Oscar announcement is next Thursday, the 23rd for the nominations at 5am I just.
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Amanda Dobbins
Make eye contact with you every single. Listen, the way the mic is positioned, you're part of a big water bottle.
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Sean Fennessy
It's like an ancient Vikings Stein glass. Yeah, but for water. That's what I was drinking out of.
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Amanda Dobbins
Hold it, hold it. Like, just check out the ergonomics. That's pretty good, right?
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Chris Ryan
Is that heavy?
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Sean Fennessy
It's full. So I guess. I mean, it's.
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Chris Ryan
Can you hold it out in front of you for two minutes? I have a question for you guys. Maybe you can help. Maybe this would be a useful way of doing this conversation. I know you want to get into the nitty gritty of these nominations and we're on a clock. But as someone who is interested but not following the precursors, like, religiously, what's like three headlines? I need to know, like, where is the race right now?
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Amanda Dobbins
You gotta see Emilia Perez.
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Chris Ryan
I watched half of it.
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Amanda Dobbins
Okay, well, you should probably watch the other half. Okay.
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Sean Fennessy
I mean, I sent Amanda a sort of panicked text yesterday. Yesterday or two days ago.
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Amanda Dobbins
It was at like 7am but it.
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Sean Fennessy
Was like, Emilia Perez is happening.
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Amanda Dobbins
Just like having a baby.
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Sean Fennessy
Like, Emilia Perez is happening. And I don't hate Emilia Perez. I'm going to start by saying that I don't hate it. I would. I've seen it twice now. I think it's hugely flawed and kind of annoying. But there are things about it I do enjoy. But it would be one of the worst Best picture winners of all time. There's no question about it. And it has strong. I'll tell you that. What I'm feeling right now very acutely is Crash over Brokeback Mountain, Green Book over Roma. That, to me will be.
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Chris Ryan
We're so back.
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Sean Fennessy
Amelia Perez over the Brutalist or over Anora, depending on your mileage may vary on those two. We may look back on it in a similar fashion if that happens. So that, to me, feels like the kind of emerging headline out of all of these guild nominations. Do you agree with that?
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Amanda Dobbins
Yes, I do.
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Chris Ryan
Okay.
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Amanda Dobbins
So even though I haven't seen the Brutalist yet, but.
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Chris Ryan
Well, other things came up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Amanda Dobbins
I. Rebot tickets.
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Chris Ryan
But the Brutalist is surging. Would you say the Brutalist is.
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Sean Fennessy
I'm getting a lot of. I mentioned this earlier this week. I'm getting a lot of the opposite from people I know who are like, it's the Brutalist. It's gonna be the Brutalist. Buckle up. This is happening for sure. Both voters and people who are in the business have said that to me this week.
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Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
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Sean Fennessy
So I. And maybe I'm in a little bit of, like, protect myself mode. Cause I think it'd be really cool. A movie like the Brutalist has not won Best Picture in a very long time. An independently financed big movie. Usually those movies are like Oppenheimer and they have a huge campaign behind them and they have old school studio stuff and a memorable filmmaker. You know, to me, it's like if you. The last time something like that happened was probably 12 Years a Slave, which was a studio movie, but felt like a, you know, an auteur with a really strong, difficult story that is like a film that is hard to watch at times. Since then, there hasn't been a lot of that. And it's not the kind of thing that the Academy usually does. They don't like something that makes you feel like absolute fucking garbage at the end of it. And.
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Amanda Dobbins
Well, Oppenheimer, Parasite.
- [25:42]
Sean Fennessy
I don't think Oppenheimer necessarily does that. I think it does have a down note, like a kind of like, doom like note at the end of it. But I don't think it makes you feel like garbage. Parasite. I think people have. It feels a little misunderstood.
- [25:54]
Amanda Dobbins
I think it's a little misunderstood. Yeah.
- [25:56]
Chris Ryan
Okay.
- [25:57]
Sean Fennessy
In my. I'm just. We're talking about 10,000 people, you know.
- [26:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure. Yeah.
- [26:01]
Sean Fennessy
But I think that people saw the SAG win for the Parasite ensemble and how cool it was, how happy all those people were, and they were like, that's great. Let's vote for those guys. And they weren't like, this is a deep examination of class and the violence that it imbues inside of us.
- [26:16]
Chris Ryan
Okay, so you're seeing it sort of start to crystallize of Amelia Perez versus Brutalist.
- [26:24]
Sean Fennessy
And I think Anora and Conclave are kind of in third and fourth place basically.
- [26:27]
Chris Ryan
Okay.
- [26:28]
Amanda Dobbins
But I agree with Sean, except to say that just Emilia Perez kind of is everywhere and the below the line and just like the sheer number of nominations and critics, you know, it's sort of relentless. So I agree that there is a lot of respect for the Brutalist. And all the brutal boys are texting Sean all the time. And that's beautiful.
- [26:54]
Sean Fennessy
And what a community you guys have, boys and girls.
- [26:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Uh huh. And. But Amelia Parrot, it's just like in every single. You were a Bentley. Every single. I just. And also you have to remember the International Academy.
- [27:10]
Chris Ryan
So the Jacques Odillard Odrillard apologizing thing, is that. Is that gonna be.
- [27:18]
Sean Fennessy
I don't think anybody's gonna care. You mean just him noting that they didn't actually have enough Mexican representation and enough point of view from.
- [27:26]
Chris Ryan
Sorry. If anybody was offended. It's an opera, it's a fantasy, and you know, supposed to be reality.
- [27:32]
Sean Fennessy
I think, I think it's. I think that particular criticism is very valid, especially if you're a Mexican filmmaker or film artist. But I also don't think it's like the only way to understand why the movie doesn't work. It has problems. I think the trans criticisms, which are. Are complicated. But in short, the idea that like there is something sublimated in a person and that they need to like be violent and criminal until they become their true self is like a very bad and ugly metaphor that is very regressive.
- [28:05]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [28:05]
Sean Fennessy
And I cited that when we talked about the movie months ago. And it's very weird the way that the movie tries to complicate the character and actually makes the character seem more simple, the Emilia Perez character. So it's one of those things where like 20 years from now, if a movie like this one's the best picture, we're gonna be like. And our understanding of gender and emotional point of view changes over time. It's gonna look really, really bad.
- [28:32]
Amanda Dobbins
I think it's an incredibly weird year for gender at the movies and especially at the Academy Awards.
- [28:38]
Sean Fennessy
Did you get involved in any of the Anora Criterion cover art discussion on. On Twitter yesterday where people were like.
- [28:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Believe it or not, this.
- [28:46]
Sean Fennessy
This cover is Too sexy and some. The tagline was like, bring her home. And it implied that you could, like, bring the sex worker home, you know, if you buy the Blu Ray. Oh, we're in a dystopian state. Yeah, we're in a dystopian state.
- [29:02]
Chris Ryan
Okay, so those are. Those are good.
- [29:03]
Sean Fennessy
Amelia Perez had 10 nominations at Bafta.
- [29:05]
Chris Ryan
I can sound smart tonight when I go out and hang out with all my friends, you know?
- [29:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Right. Yeah, yeah.
- [29:10]
Sean Fennessy
Who are those friends? Are they not here at the table with you?
- [29:12]
Chris Ryan
They're all, like, guys who don't watch movies and are involved in the Oscar race, you know?
- [29:18]
Sean Fennessy
Very cool. They are just in hardcore bands and.
- [29:21]
Chris Ryan
Amelia Perez, did you make it like, six songs in.
- [29:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, so what was the last song?
- [29:26]
Chris Ryan
I don't know.
- [29:27]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [29:27]
Chris Ryan
I don't know. She did the first one where she's just like, I'm writing my brief.
- [29:32]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm a lawyer. And then all the people joined in. I mean, that is another just under discussion.
- [29:37]
Chris Ryan
Dropped her credit card, but went to Bangkok. And then there's like, some other stuff. I was like, I watch it right after the Globes. And then I was like, I think. I think I'm good. But I will complete my assignment if necessary.
- [29:51]
Sean Fennessy
You know, solo Emilia Perez pod. I'll host it on this feed if you'd like. Would you be interested?
- [29:58]
Amanda Dobbins
I think that would really. That would go well. Okay. But that was just one storyline.
- [30:02]
Sean Fennessy
That's just one storyline. Okay.
- [30:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Demi Moore is winning.
- [30:05]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [30:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, that's two.
- [30:06]
Sean Fennessy
Can I pitch one at you that we haven't talked about?
- [30:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [30:09]
Sean Fennessy
Jamie Lee Curtis is not only happening, but is, like, threatening to win Best Supporting Actress right now.
- [30:13]
Chris Ryan
How?
- [30:13]
Amanda Dobbins
She's not gonna win. She's not.
- [30:15]
Sean Fennessy
She's not gonna win.
- [30:16]
Amanda Dobbins
She's not gonna win because she's, like.
- [30:17]
Chris Ryan
Fundraising for the Palisades or, like, why?
- [30:19]
Sean Fennessy
She's just campaigning so hard for the last show.
- [30:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Girl.
- [30:22]
Sean Fennessy
And it worked. She got nominated at the Golden Globes. She got nominated at sag.
- [30:25]
Amanda Dobbins
She won an Oscar for whatever the hell that was.
- [30:27]
Chris Ryan
Wouldn't that almost be like a bummer where it's like, you're going to win when Pam Anderson. Pamela Anderson is like the. That's happens all the time. Yeah, but I mean, you think Ship is going to get nominated for which performance in Last Showgirl? Right.
- [30:40]
Sean Fennessy
Isn't she in it? She is in it.
- [30:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [30:41]
Sean Fennessy
Have you seen it?
- [30:42]
Chris Ryan
No.
- [30:42]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [30:43]
Amanda Dobbins
Can you see it?
- [30:44]
Chris Ryan
I don't.
- [30:45]
Sean Fennessy
How often do you update Kieran and Shipka's IMDb per day?
- [30:48]
Chris Ryan
I think. What she's doing is great.
- [30:49]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [30:50]
Chris Ryan
I just want to say that I don't like. Honestly, it's just been a delight.
- [30:53]
Sean Fennessy
I think she should be nominated for Twisters.
- [30:55]
Chris Ryan
Me, too.
- [30:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, yeah.
- [30:56]
Chris Ryan
Me too.
- [30:57]
Sean Fennessy
You do? Okay, great.
- [30:58]
Amanda Dobbins
You didn't like the film Twisters, so you don't get to hand out nominations.
- [31:01]
Sean Fennessy
There's no rules.
- [31:02]
Chris Ryan
There's no rules anymore.
- [31:04]
Sean Fennessy
Jamie Lee is nominated at bafta. That was one where I was like, hmm.
- [31:07]
Amanda Dobbins
And SAG wars.
- [31:08]
Sean Fennessy
Bafta, sag, Golden Globes. That's a lot. We'll get into that when we talk about.
- [31:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Was she nominated at Golden Globes?
- [31:14]
Chris Ryan
No.
- [31:14]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, no, she wasn't. Only Pamela Anderson was. You're right. You're right. But I guess the wave is happening in the same way that the wave is happening for the brutalist. This sort of like late game wave. I'll throw another one at you.
- [31:25]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [31:25]
Chris Ryan
Hugh Grant, Heretic.
- [31:28]
Sean Fennessy
Nominated. Nominated at bafta. Yeah, but he's nominated at the Globes.
- [31:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, but listen, two categories at the Globes and the baftas are British.
- [31:37]
Sean Fennessy
There's a softness in Best Actor right now for Daniel Craig's campaign.
- [31:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't know if it's going to go to. You want to do a quick.
- [31:45]
Sean Fennessy
No, not yet. Not yet.
- [31:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, okay. Sorry.
- [31:48]
Sean Fennessy
The number 10 spot in best Picture is wonky.
- [31:53]
Chris Ryan
Not Wonka, though. That's the important one.
- [31:55]
Sean Fennessy
Not wonka. That's a 2023 feature that was not nominated.
- [31:58]
Amanda Dobbins
Have you had to watch that at my house yet?
- [31:59]
Chris Ryan
No.
- [32:00]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [32:01]
Sean Fennessy
The pga.
- [32:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Yo. Can they release Paddington in Peru already? I need some place to take my child.
- [32:07]
Sean Fennessy
I think it's February 14th.
- [32:08]
Amanda Dobbins
It is Valentine's Day, which is not what I'm trying to do on Valentine's Day. I'm trying to let my child see Paddington Peru this weekend. If anyone can help me. Thank you.
- [32:16]
Sean Fennessy
I think if you live in England, it's. It's available to see.
- [32:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, sometimes I.
- [32:19]
Sean Fennessy
Maybe you can get a VPN and you can get it streamed.
- [32:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [32:23]
Sean Fennessy
You're going to torrent it.
- [32:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Just.
- [32:24]
Sean Fennessy
We got that on the record. The PGA nominations. These are the 10 movies. This is important because this is extremely predictive. Body Anora, the Brutalist, A Complete Unknown. Conclave. Dune, part two. Emilia Perez, a real pain. September 5th. The Substance and Wicked.
- [32:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [32:39]
Sean Fennessy
Now, to me, here's what I think happened here. Yes. One, A Real Pain is locked in at nine.
- [32:43]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [32:44]
Sean Fennessy
The Substance is locked in at eight.
- [32:45]
Amanda Dobbins
I agree.
- [32:45]
Chris Ryan
Really?
- [32:46]
Sean Fennessy
I think so.
- [32:46]
Amanda Dobbins
I agree. Yes.
- [32:47]
Sean Fennessy
Which I never in a million years would have guessed Six weeks ago that the substance would get locked in at this stage of the race. But it does feel that way.
- [32:55]
Chris Ryan
Okay. What dropped out?
- [32:57]
Sean Fennessy
Quite a few things. Most notably Sing Sing and Nickel Boys now seem to be on the outside. You agree?
- [33:04]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [33:04]
Sean Fennessy
So somewhat. One of those movies or. September 5th.
- [33:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Right.
- [33:09]
Chris Ryan
Or.
- [33:10]
Sean Fennessy
I have one other theory.
- [33:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, go ahead.
- [33:14]
Sean Fennessy
There's a world where Nosferatu gets a Nightmare Alley style. What the fuck? Best picture nomination.
- [33:20]
Amanda Dobbins
I like it.
- [33:22]
Sean Fennessy
It's not out of the realm of.
- [33:23]
Amanda Dobbins
I got that on my. I made a list this morning Notes app, Movies to see, and I forgot to put Nosferatu on there. Okay.
- [33:30]
Sean Fennessy
Nosferatu has been a huge commercial success. Huge commercial success. Probably bigger than they anticipated. I think Eggers has officially ascended to this is a very important American filmmaker status.
- [33:41]
Chris Ryan
We knew that. I knew that when he avenged his father in the north.
- [33:48]
Sean Fennessy
And Nightmare Alley, one of a CR favorite, of course, had a similar path where it was extremely strong. Extremely strong in a few below the line categories and then came out of nowhere and got a best picture nomination. I don't think. I don't think Nightmare Alley had a single best picture recognition in any precursors, but it did have.
- [34:10]
Chris Ryan
So there is. There's fires for something coming out of.
- [34:13]
Sean Fennessy
Nowhere and a similar kind of movie.
- [34:14]
Amanda Dobbins
Right.
- [34:15]
Sean Fennessy
Beautifully mounted movie. A movie that's a remake of a. Of a. Of a classic. A movie that is just steeped in craft and a movie that isn't international, but kind of feels international. So I'm not predicting. I don't think Nosferatu at 10.
- [34:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [34:30]
Sean Fennessy
But Nickel Boy's Sing Sing and September 5th seem weak, and I think that's true.
- [34:35]
Amanda Dobbins
Here's my explanation for September 5th at the PGA's. That is a film about producers.
- [34:42]
Sean Fennessy
It's very, very true.
- [34:43]
Amanda Dobbins
It is quite literally a film about people in a room being like, what are we going to do? And here is our plight.
- [34:48]
Sean Fennessy
It's a great take.
- [34:49]
Chris Ryan
I have won Oscars. Just keep an eye on it.
- [34:52]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [34:53]
Chris Ryan
Nine days out from Timothee Chalamet pulling double duty on Saturday Night Live, where he will be hosting and is the musical guest. And I am here to tell you that if he duets with the actual Bob Dylan on SNL that night, he will win best Actor.
- [35:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I think that he's going to win anyway. But also, like, how, where and how is Bob Dylan right now?
- [35:14]
Chris Ryan
He's on TikTok. He signed up for TikTok.
- [35:16]
Amanda Dobbins
Did he?
- [35:16]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, I haven't checked that. Just two days before it closes for good. That's a perfectly Dylan move. I love that. Do you think TikTok is actually going to go away?
- [35:26]
Chris Ryan
No, that guy's going to the inauguration.
- [35:28]
Sean Fennessy
The guy who owns TikTok, the CEO of ByteDance.
- [35:31]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [35:32]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [35:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, okay.
- [35:33]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, Just keep an eye on that.
- [35:35]
Sean Fennessy
We made a breakout. And posted on TikTok.
- [35:38]
Amanda Dobbins
I just want to talk about whether or not. I just want to circle. What? Some news about who's not going to the inauguration and a Friday announcement and that's all I'll say. Google it. You can figure it out.
- [35:48]
Chris Ryan
I don't understand what you're saying.
- [35:50]
Amanda Dobbins
There is someone who's not going to the inauguration.
- [35:52]
Chris Ryan
Oh, we know that. Yeah. Yeah.
- [35:54]
Amanda Dobbins
And it's sad.
- [35:57]
Sean Fennessy
I literally have no idea what you guys are talking about.
- [36:01]
Chris Ryan
Chalamet, snl.
- [36:03]
Sean Fennessy
My other note was a complete unknown is way stronger than I realized.
- [36:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, it's a good movie. Open your heart.
- [36:08]
Sean Fennessy
Well, it's got nothing to do with that. The thing is.
- [36:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Got a little bit too.
- [36:12]
Sean Fennessy
I think if you take out Emilia Perez, pretty solid slate. Not the best ever slate of best picture nominees, but a lot of interesting movies. Nothing that really, really, really goes to that forever place for me, but it's a solid collection of movies. A complete unknown. Also commercially successful.
- [36:30]
Amanda Dobbins
It's okay. It's an okay list.
- [36:32]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. What don't you like?
- [36:36]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm not going to go that far, I think.
- [36:38]
Sean Fennessy
I mean, I don't like Wicked, obviously.
- [36:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, like we've got.
- [36:40]
Sean Fennessy
We've got Wicked and Emilia Perez are my least favorite of the six more.
- [36:44]
Amanda Dobbins
Weeks to talk about this and to let our feelings known bit by bit.
- [36:49]
Sean Fennessy
Is that your strategy?
- [36:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Usually, yeah.
- [36:51]
Sean Fennessy
Parcel it out.
- [36:52]
Chris Ryan
Mystery box Podcasting.
- [36:54]
Sean Fennessy
What's your favorite of the nominated films? Civil War was not. Is not going to be nominated for best Picture.
- [36:59]
Chris Ryan
Chris Anora.
- [37:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, that's right.
- [37:04]
Sean Fennessy
Did you notice that Alex Garland did receive a WGA nomination?
- [37:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Why don't you just.
- [37:09]
Chris Ryan
Touchdown.
- [37:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Why don't you just read the list of ineligible titles for the wga?
- [37:15]
Sean Fennessy
Well, there are quite a few. Amanda, thanks for teeing that up.
- [37:18]
Chris Ryan
Oh, you're saying by process of elimination they had to give Alex Garland.
- [37:21]
Sean Fennessy
Let me just share with you the list of films.
- [37:22]
Chris Ryan
Okay.
- [37:24]
Sean Fennessy
Because of the various rules that the W that the guild has around eligibility and there are quite a few. Wj. This happened. This always happens. There's usually two or three notable movies like Tarantino.
- [37:34]
Chris Ryan
Can't get it.
- [37:34]
Sean Fennessy
Precisely. Not a member of the guild. These are the films Conclave. Emilia Perez. I'm still here. The room next door. Sing Sing The Wild Robot, All We Imagine as Light The Brutalist Dee Dee, A Different man hard truths his three daughters I saw the TV glow the seed of the sacred fig, September 5th and the substance.
- [37:50]
Chris Ryan
So those can't be nominated.
- [37:51]
Sean Fennessy
None of those were eligible for ewga.
- [37:54]
Amanda Dobbins
So then here comes your man, Alex Garland, your number one boy. It's okay. You love Emerald Fennell, too. You know, you're just. You're in the mix, you know, you like to see some stuff.
- [38:06]
Chris Ryan
I like big ideas and big feelings.
- [38:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [38:08]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [38:08]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, you do.
- [38:09]
Amanda Dobbins
How do you feel about the Wuthering Heights adaptation?
- [38:11]
Chris Ryan
I'm into it.
- [38:12]
Amanda Dobbins
No, you're not. Let me just. Let me help you right now. You're not.
- [38:15]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know.
- [38:16]
Chris Ryan
Saltburg was good.
- [38:18]
Amanda Dobbins
We're still talking about it.
- [38:20]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, you are.
- [38:21]
Amanda Dobbins
She's still in your head.
- [38:23]
Sean Fennessy
That's true. That's true. She is a true termite filmmaker. Original screenplay nominees were A Real Pain and Nora. Challengers. Civil War and My Old Ass from the. From the wga.
- [38:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [38:34]
Sean Fennessy
Did you see my Old Ass?
- [38:35]
Chris Ryan
I did. Oh, sorry.
- [38:36]
Sean Fennessy
You weren't asking. Hey, dear man, did you see My Old Ass? From female filmmaker Megan Park? You haven't seen that one yet?
- [38:42]
Amanda Dobbins
No. It's on the list of Denim Thieves, Part two, Pantera last night.
- [38:47]
Chris Ryan
If you talk about how all movies are about having a child and then for, like, only Amanda can comment on My old ass. Like, what am I allowed to talk about? Civil War and Den Of.
- [38:56]
Sean Fennessy
We're getting to Pantera, bro. Settle down.
- [39:00]
Chris Ryan
But Big Nick has kids, you know. It's really about fatherhood.
- [39:04]
Amanda Dobbins
Not in the film.
- [39:05]
Sean Fennessy
Eraserhead, den of Thieves 2, Pantera double feature. Who says no? Not a single person. Adapted Screenplay nominees from WGA Complete Unknown Dune Part 2, Hitman, Nickel Boys and Wicked. Wicked, eh? Interesting. WJ is not very predictive these days because of all of these rules. The Cinematography Guild is interesting to me. The Brutalist, Complete Unknown Conclave, Dune Part two, Maria, Nosferatu and Wicked.
- [39:35]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. This is, I think, literally the only guild that doesn't have Emilia Perez in its nominations, which seems fine based on Emilia Perez, which, to be fair, I watched on my television screen.
- [39:49]
Sean Fennessy
You could see a world where Maria and Nosferatu get in at the Oscars in that category and not Emilia Perez. I could see that.
- [39:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [39:57]
Sean Fennessy
Seems. Seems plausible. Especially Jaron Blaschke, previously nominated. Ed Lackman, previously nominated. So there's a lot of admiration in those. Those are starting to be the best guilds.
- [40:06]
Chris Ryan
I will not be seeing Maria.
- [40:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Really nice.
- [40:08]
Sean Fennessy
You Will not be seeing Maria?
- [40:09]
Chris Ryan
I don't believe so now.
- [40:10]
Sean Fennessy
At a silent apartment.
- [40:11]
Chris Ryan
Is that what you said?
- [40:12]
Amanda Dobbins
That they recreate her Paris apartment? It's really nice. Is it nicer than I listen? I see achievement everywhere than Amy Brennaman's.
- [40:20]
Chris Ryan
Apartment in Heat, you know?
- [40:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. It's. Well, maybe more my taste.
- [40:25]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [40:26]
Sean Fennessy
I'm trying to order some other meaningful takeaways from these awards. Not too many. I think we hit all the big topics, right?
- [40:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [40:32]
Sean Fennessy
One thing that I noticed that the PGA's is doing is outstanding Producer of televised or streamed Motion Picture. So these are just movies that you go straight to steam.
- [40:41]
Amanda Dobbins
You're a member of the pga.
- [40:43]
Sean Fennessy
Well, I mean, I voted on the award, obviously, but carry on. The Greatest Night in Pop, the Killer, which is John Woo's American remake of the Killer, not the David Fincher film Rebel Ridge and Unfrosted are the nominees in that category.
- [40:58]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, this is dislike.
- [41:00]
Chris Ryan
I just. I just took eight helium hits. This is.
- [41:02]
Amanda Dobbins
This is Buddies voting for Buddies.
- [41:04]
Sean Fennessy
You know, why do we need this award?
- [41:07]
Amanda Dobbins
What is it for you Speak.
- [41:09]
Chris Ryan
It's like, if Rebel Ridge is good.
- [41:10]
Sean Fennessy
I'm not on the board of directors at the Producers Guild. I mean, they obviously created it because they want to acknowledge more titles. And there's. But it actually indicates that there is a meaningful difference in producing a film for streaming. And that's kind of weird. That is. That is. That puts, like. It puts words to something that we have sort of felt in the culture in the last few years where this sort of like, there is a difference between a streaming movie and a theatrically released movie. And like, Rebel Ridge and the Greatest Night in Pop have nothing to do with each other and the way that they were made have nothing to do with each other. One is a revival documentary with talking heads. The other is an action movie.
- [41:49]
Chris Ryan
Right.
- [41:49]
Sean Fennessy
So good.
- [41:50]
Amanda Dobbins
I watched it.
- [41:51]
Sean Fennessy
You did?
- [41:51]
Amanda Dobbins
You guys kept talking about it.
- [41:52]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [41:53]
Amanda Dobbins
That's a good movie.
- [41:53]
Chris Ryan
Did you watch Carry On?
- [41:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Not yet. I mean, again, it's. I'm still playing catch up.
- [41:59]
Chris Ryan
I don't know if that's one that you need to, like, prioritize.
- [42:01]
Amanda Dobbins
It's not on the top of the list.
- [42:03]
Chris Ryan
Okay.
- [42:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [42:04]
Sean Fennessy
I want a super cut of all the Bateman scenes so I can run those before every podcast just to get fired up.
- [42:09]
Chris Ryan
JCS has got another one for us.
- [42:11]
Sean Fennessy
He does the Woman in the Yard. Honestly, great trailer. And it just, like, you know, you could just tell it's like a real director made this just from looking at a trailer. Like, not some Guy that they found on the street, like jcs, he knows how to frame a shot, man. Yeah. He knows how to make an image. Enjoyed that trailer. What do you think's gonna win in.
- [42:31]
Chris Ryan
This category in this streaming thing? Yeah, Carry On.
- [42:36]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know. Carry On.
- [42:37]
Chris Ryan
So they fucking nominated Unfrosted. Like, I mean, are we talking about who directed that?
- [42:43]
Amanda Dobbins
Jerry Seinfeld.
- [42:43]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [42:44]
Chris Ryan
Yeah. So, like. But isn't it. Carry on is the most popular thing here? I could just.
- [42:48]
Sean Fennessy
That's true. It is. Although Rebel Ridge was very popular as well.
- [42:51]
Chris Ryan
But Carry on is much more popular than Rebel Ridge. Carry On.
- [42:54]
Sean Fennessy
Is it going to be the most popular Netflix movie of all time?
- [42:56]
Chris Ryan
It seems like it's on its way. Right.
- [42:58]
Sean Fennessy
How do you feel about the film? Don't look up.
- [43:02]
Chris Ryan
Well, I'll tell you, Sean, it's hard to comment. I.
- [43:05]
Sean Fennessy
Back in the News.
- [43:06]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, I've noticed that it's back in the news.
- [43:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, because they predicted stuff and the.
- [43:10]
Chris Ryan
Producers are calling it. I think some of the producers of the film have been some chest. Taking a victory lap.
- [43:16]
Sean Fennessy
I don't think it was the right time to do that.
- [43:18]
Amanda Dobbins
I think everyone involved with Don't look up should have their access to the Internet cut off because that after Timothee.
- [43:25]
Sean Fennessy
Chalamet fascism, he was involved.
- [43:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. You know. You know who I am.
- [43:30]
Sean Fennessy
Leonardo DiCaprio. You know who I am, Cate Blanchett.
- [43:33]
Amanda Dobbins
And you know what I'm talking about.
- [43:35]
Sean Fennessy
Well, that. But that's the reason I bring that movie up is because I'm like. That is. Certainly there are producers that are beating their chest about the world news and the climate, but the most famous actors in all of Hollywood were in that movie. Yeah, Tyler Perry's in that movie.
- [43:48]
Amanda Dobbins
He's good.
- [43:49]
Sean Fennessy
He is very funny.
- [43:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Listen, when Tyler Perry shows up in a movie, you know it's going to be good.
- [43:53]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, yeah.
- [43:54]
Chris Ryan
Real like Gone Girl.
- [43:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. And there's another one where he's like a fixer and someone. Who is it? What was it?
- [44:00]
Sean Fennessy
He's Alex Cross in a movie. Right. Isn't that the idea?
- [44:03]
Amanda Dobbins
I guess so.
- [44:04]
Sean Fennessy
The James Patterson character, did he ever play Alex Cross? I feel like he did. Maybe I'm misremembering something. Maybe he was up for Alex Cross. Okay. I think that that's most of the precursor conversation.
- [44:14]
Chris Ryan
He was Alex Cross in the movie. Alex Cross.
- [44:17]
Sean Fennessy
There you go.
- [44:17]
Chris Ryan
In 2012.
- [44:18]
Sean Fennessy
How fitting. He did not direct that movie.
- [44:20]
Chris Ryan
No, Rob Cohen directed that.
- [44:22]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, Rob Cohen. He of Triple X fame. Have you seen Triple X?
- [44:25]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, of course. I have.
- [44:26]
Sean Fennessy
Where are you at on VIN these days?
- [44:29]
Chris Ryan
I don't really think I've liked a Vin since Man Apart. No, I was going to say the one where he's blind on. On a. On a planet.
- [44:38]
Sean Fennessy
Pitch Black.
- [44:38]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, those are cool.
- [44:39]
Sean Fennessy
You haven't liked a VIN movie since Pitch Black. That was like 2001. Wow. Tough. What about Find Me Guilty, the Sidney Lumet film?
- [44:46]
Chris Ryan
That's all right. It's not. It's like. It's. He's not that great.
- [44:49]
Sean Fennessy
I stand with you. And the Fast series is bad.
- [44:51]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [44:52]
Sean Fennessy
Vin, you're pro. You love vin.
- [44:55]
Amanda Dobbins
I listen. Fast Five, they take the vault. I liked it.
- [45:01]
Chris Ryan
You know, so this is a great segue.
- [45:04]
Amanda Dobbins
It is, but we're not there yet.
- [45:05]
Sean Fennessy
We're not there yet. We got to do some predictions. Let us do some predictions. You want to make predictions? No.
- [45:10]
Chris Ryan
Well, because I think that people come to this podcast for expertise.
- [45:14]
Sean Fennessy
I assure you, they do not.
- [45:16]
Chris Ryan
You two have the tea, you have the leaves.
- [45:18]
Sean Fennessy
We're gonna. We'll predict the top eight categories. The acting awards.
- [45:24]
Chris Ryan
So what are you, Picture directors winner.
- [45:25]
Sean Fennessy
Or just what will be nominated come next Thursday? Sound good?
- [45:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [45:30]
Sean Fennessy
And in addition to that, we'll do a. Hoping for. We'll do. It'd be great if. Be cool if this happened.
- [45:34]
Amanda Dobbins
I almost texted you, but I'm just bringing this. You on the podcast now. You also have to take a nomination away.
- [45:40]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, when you do.
- [45:41]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm hoping for it.
- [45:43]
Sean Fennessy
Great. Let's start at the bottom. Let's start with screenplay.
- [45:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [45:46]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Best adapted screenplay. You want to go first or you want me to go first?
- [45:50]
Amanda Dobbins
I'll go first. So. Jacques Odillard, Emilia Perez, Peter Strawn, Conclave, James Mangold and Jaycox. A complete unknown. Rommel Ross and Jocelyn Barnes. Nickel Boys. And I forgot to look up the credits for Wicked, but Wicked. Hold on. Where is this in the document?
- [46:07]
Chris Ryan
Screenplay.
- [46:08]
Sean Fennessy
Winnie Holzman and Dana. Stephen Schwartzman.
- [46:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. For Wicked.
- [46:13]
Sean Fennessy
So you don't have. What do you not have from my. You don't have Sing Sing on your list.
- [46:18]
Amanda Dobbins
I know.
- [46:19]
Sean Fennessy
Well, what is your hoping for?
- [46:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Sing Sing.
- [46:22]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, interesting. Okay, so I have Sing Sing on my list. So my list is.
- [46:25]
Amanda Dobbins
And then you're hoping for Wicked, and.
- [46:26]
Sean Fennessy
I'm hoping for Nickel Boys. Oh, I feel that. I feel that one of the sad things that is happening is that Nickel Boys did not get that awards camp the awards run that it deserved.
- [46:37]
Amanda Dobbins
Nickel Boys is both WGA and bafta.
- [46:40]
Sean Fennessy
I hear you. So I hear you.
- [46:43]
Amanda Dobbins
I. Okay.
- [46:44]
Sean Fennessy
I'm pretty. Also well, Bafta has six nominees, right?
- [46:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes, but 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. You're right, it does have six. But no, in screenplay, it's only has.
- [46:56]
Sean Fennessy
BAFTA is so confusing. One thing that happened with BAFTA this year is that they change. They used to have a jury system that would allow for additional films to get in that weren't based on the sort of popular voting for the nominees, and they just did away with that now. So they've changed their voting rules multiple times. And, like, sometimes it's one of the most predictive award shows and other times it's way different. So it's kind of hard to know what BAFTA means to the Oscars right now.
- [47:19]
Amanda Dobbins
Screenplay, and I feel like a broken record, but screenplay is a place where we often get to reward cool movies that aren't rewarded other places.
- [47:29]
Sean Fennessy
Yes.
- [47:29]
Amanda Dobbins
So I'm hoping that Nickel Boys comes in on that one.
- [47:32]
Sean Fennessy
For adaptive screenplay, I have a complete unknown conclave. Emilia Perez, Sing Sing and Wicked.
- [47:38]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [47:38]
Sean Fennessy
I would like Nickel Boyce to replace Wicked.
- [47:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [47:41]
Sean Fennessy
I don't get the Wicked nomp thing, like, at all.
- [47:44]
Amanda Dobbins
That's who I'm taking it away from is Wicked.
- [47:46]
Sean Fennessy
It's a stage musical. Obviously some things have been changed, but.
- [47:49]
Amanda Dobbins
Like, apparently a lot has been added. Yeah, but they didn't get rid of the singing goat, so.
- [47:56]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Best original Screenplay.
- [47:58]
Amanda Dobbins
Have you seen Wicked?
- [47:59]
Chris Ryan
No.
- [47:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Did you know that animals start singing?
- [48:01]
Chris Ryan
I have listened to the big picture.
- [48:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [48:05]
Sean Fennessy
Best Original Screenplay. I'll go first.
- [48:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [48:08]
Sean Fennessy
I have Anora, the Brutalist, Hard truths, A Real Pain in the substance.
- [48:12]
Amanda Dobbins
I like that. I've got four out of five. Anora, A Real Pain, the Substance, the Brutalist and challengers.
- [48:20]
Sean Fennessy
So challengers is my hoping for.
- [48:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, it was my hoping for, and then I decided to bump Justin Kuritsky's up again. Under the theory that this is a screenplay, is a place where we honor things.
- [48:33]
Sean Fennessy
Cool stuff.
- [48:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, cool stuff. I like that movie.
- [48:36]
Sean Fennessy
The Quentin Tarantino, Wes Anderson Award. The Sofia Coppola Award.
- [48:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Right, exactly. The Jordan Peele Award.
- [48:41]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [48:42]
Amanda Dobbins
The Charlie Kaufman award and the WGAs are. It like it's in the mix at least at WGAs. And Challengers was like a. It was a phenomenon.
- [48:52]
Sean Fennessy
So what do you want that to replace?
- [48:54]
Amanda Dobbins
What I want challengers to replace. No, no, no. That's my fifth. That's my fifth.
- [49:02]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, that's your fifth.
- [49:03]
Amanda Dobbins
And what I'd like that also gives me room then to say that I'd like to see Aaron Schoenberg for a different man.
- [49:07]
Sean Fennessy
But what is that replacing a real pain Damn.
- [49:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I. Real pain was very nice.
- [49:15]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. I have challengers. I would like challengers to knock out the substance. The substance is spectacular in many ways.
- [49:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [49:26]
Chris Ryan
Not a great screenplay.
- [49:27]
Sean Fennessy
Screenplay is not my favorite screenplay. It did win best screenplay at Cannes and obviously people do like the screenplay. I would argue that the screenplay is a kind of agglomeration of a lot of ideas and movies that we've seen before. Yes.
- [49:41]
Amanda Dobbins
But, you know, it puts them together in memorable ways.
- [49:43]
Sean Fennessy
Execution is amazing. I love many, many aspects of that movie. That is not my favorite. I would rather have challengers there. That would, however, make it an all male plus Mona Fast vold screenplay category, which is not ideal. Okay, let's do best supporting actor.
- [50:00]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [50:01]
Sean Fennessy
This one is mostly easy.
- [50:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [50:06]
Sean Fennessy
You go first.
- [50:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Yura Borisoff for anora. Kieran Culkin for a real pain. Guy Pearce, the brutalist. Edward Norton, a complete unknown. And Jeremy Strong, the Apprentice.
- [50:17]
Sean Fennessy
I don't have Jeremy Strong in. I have Clarence Macklin over Jeremy Strong.
- [50:20]
Amanda Dobbins
I would like to see Clarence Macklin over Jeremy Strong. And I would take the nomination away from Jeremy Strong. With all respect.
- [50:26]
Sean Fennessy
You haven't seen the Apprentice. You haven't seen Sing Sing.
- [50:28]
Chris Ryan
I've seen Sing Sing. I loved it. Yeah, you did great.
- [50:33]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, if Clarence Macklin doesn't get nominated, to me, that's the real crime of awards season.
- [50:38]
Chris Ryan
You see that they're going to be doing the play from Sing Sing.
- [50:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, really?
- [50:41]
Chris Ryan
Yeah. In New York.
- [50:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, cool.
- [50:43]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [50:43]
Sean Fennessy
Wow. So I don't know who I would take out here. I have Jeremy Strong, the Apprentice as my hoping for.
- [50:48]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [50:48]
Sean Fennessy
As listeners of the Prestige TV podcast know, I love Jeremy Strong.
- [50:53]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, so do I.
- [50:54]
Sean Fennessy
But, like, I don't know who I would take out. I might. I. Kieran Culkin or Edward Norton. I like both of those performances a lot. Yeah. I'm not taking out your.
- [51:04]
Chris Ryan
I thought Kieran Culkin was like a lock.
- [51:06]
Sean Fennessy
No, but just like who I would take if I could replace Jeremy Strong with someone. I don't know that I could really do that. Amanda. He would still be in sixth place to me. Strong.
- [51:16]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [51:18]
Sean Fennessy
Then Amanda Dobbins dropped on by near the big picture. Sing a little tune for us to bring you.
- [51:23]
Chris Ryan
Guitar. She made her own ice cream. Allison Broman's recipe for chili.
- [51:30]
Amanda Dobbins
I did. That's a really, really good recipe.
- [51:32]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Here's a very difficult category.
- [51:36]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [51:36]
Sean Fennessy
Best supporting actress, arguably the most wide open category at the moment. You want me to go first?
- [51:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. It's your turn.
- [51:43]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. Monica Barbaro a complete unknown.
- [51:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, wow.
- [51:46]
Sean Fennessy
Jamie Lee Curtis, the Last Showgirl. Ariana Grande, Wicked. Felicity Jones, the Brutalist, and Zoe Saldana for Amelia Pere.
- [51:54]
Chris Ryan
That's your predictions of who's going to get nominated for Oscars.
- [51:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Ariana Grande, Wicked. Isabella Rosellini, Conclave, Zoe Saldana, Emily Amelia Perez, Felicity Jones, the Brutalist, and Jamie Lee Curtis, the Last Showgirl.
- [52:07]
Chris Ryan
What is going on?
- [52:08]
Amanda Dobbins
It's I.
- [52:09]
Sean Fennessy
Some crazy precursor stuff going on is what's going on.
- [52:13]
Amanda Dobbins
And, like, I mean, I agree with you, but listen, actors, we love them, we can't always trust them, you know, and they fall for this. Oh, man, I love you, Tim. But you know Tim Simons. Yeah.
- [52:27]
Chris Ryan
Oh, okay.
- [52:28]
Amanda Dobbins
He's one of the actors, you know.
- [52:29]
Sean Fennessy
He'S one of the supporting actresses in Amelia Preston. You just didn't get to the second half of the film.
- [52:33]
Chris Ryan
Unfortunately, he's the person leading the Jamie Lee Curtis nominee. I'm not trying to be nasty about Jamie Lee Curtis. I think possibly because she's actually good.
- [52:40]
Sean Fennessy
And it's a very memorable performance.
- [52:43]
Chris Ryan
Is the last show Garrett available to watch?
- [52:45]
Sean Fennessy
It's not on stream. It's not available on VOD at the moment. I don't think. I do think it's probably playing in some movies theaters in la. It opened in LA at the end of the year.
- [52:52]
Chris Ryan
Some AMC theaters.
- [52:54]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. So you can go see it.
- [52:55]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [52:56]
Sean Fennessy
She has a very noisy performance, not dissimilar from her work in the Bear. And she's just extremely active in the community and hosts events, attends events, does tons of Q&As, has really supported the movie. I listened to a conversation between Giacopola and Francis Ford Coppola, her grandfather, on the DGA podcast, which was interesting and mostly became a Francis Ford Coppola monologue. But when Gia did speak, she talked about how she had a very, very short window of time with Jamie Lee Curtis. I think she had four days with her. And there are a bunch of big names in that movie. Dave Batista's in that movie, obviously, Pamela Anderson. You mentioned Kiernan Shipka. It's a relatively stacked cast for a movie that was made in, like 19 days. But in those four days, Jamie Lee Curtis does a lot, one might argue, too much. She plays really big these days, but I think that's going to happen. Could be wrong. Might not be widely seen enough, but her getting nominated at 2, who's the.
- [53:51]
Chris Ryan
Biggest person on the outside looking in here?
- [53:53]
Sean Fennessy
I have four people where I'm like, I don't think they're Going to make it. And I have multiple people I'd like to see.
- [53:58]
Amanda Dobbins
I'd like to see Monica Bavaro.
- [54:00]
Sean Fennessy
I think she's getting in.
- [54:01]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, that would be great.
- [54:03]
Sean Fennessy
Complete Unknown has gotten in in a lot of places. James Mangold at dga, it did really, really well at bafta. You know, a movie like A Complete Unown is not guaranteed to get in. In a place like BAFTA and Mangold movies, there's a lot of respect for the performances that he gets out of actors. He has two actors who've won Academy Awards, another who is nominated. I could see it.
- [54:22]
Amanda Dobbins
That would be great. I would take it away from Jamie Lee Curtis, respectfully.
- [54:27]
Sean Fennessy
I would take it away from Jamie Lee Curtis. I would put Daniel Deadweiler in.
- [54:30]
Chris Ryan
That's great.
- [54:31]
Sean Fennessy
Cause I already have Monica Barbaro in for the panelist. And I won't be stunned if Daniel Deadweiler.
- [54:35]
Amanda Dobbins
I won't either.
- [54:36]
Sean Fennessy
I think it's possible. I don't think Angenou Ellis Taylor is going to happen for Nickel Boys. I don't think Margaret Qualley is going to happen. For the substance could, but I don't think so. Isabella Rossellini I have out. Okay, we'll see.
- [54:47]
Chris Ryan
Is that because she keeps saying that her mom was Ingrid Bourbon?
- [54:51]
Sean Fennessy
A lot of Nepos in this category. Isabella Rossellini. You got Fernanda Torres over there. You know, she's Nepo, obviously. Jamie Lee Curtis, nepo. It's pretty tough. Ariana Grande. She's a mother.
- [55:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Is she?
- [55:03]
Sean Fennessy
She's mother.
- [55:04]
Chris Ryan
She's giving.
- [55:04]
Amanda Dobbins
She's mother. Okay.
- [55:05]
Chris Ryan
She gives mother.
- [55:06]
Sean Fennessy
Glenda's giving mother to my daughter. Best actress. Not for me. That's for you and Alice. None of that for me.
- [55:16]
Chris Ryan
Best Actress.
- [55:17]
Sean Fennessy
Cr. What's your favorite female performance at the movies in 2024?
- [55:22]
Chris Ryan
You ask like, I don't have any.
- [55:24]
Sean Fennessy
Have you seen any films featuring women?
- [55:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [55:26]
Sean Fennessy
I mean, that's a Mikey Madison.
- [55:29]
Chris Ryan
I think it's Mikey and Demi. Mikey and Demi, two of my favorites.
- [55:34]
Sean Fennessy
So what's your roster?
- [55:35]
Chris Ryan
Amanda and Marianne Jean Baptiste I thought was incredible in Hard Truths.
- [55:39]
Amanda Dobbins
So Marianne Jean Baptiste in Hard Truths is my. That's the swing I'm going for, but I think it's gonna happen. I'm seeing Hard Truths tomorrow. Cindy Erivo, Wicked Carlos, Sophia Gascon, Emilia Perez, Mikey Madison and Nora. And Demi Moore. The substance.
- [55:52]
Sean Fennessy
We match on all five. I also think Marianne Jean Baptiste is getting in. Not as many indicators as you'd like to see, but previously a nominee. Something that a lot of the hardcore pundits have pointed out recently is that Marianne Jean Baptiste, while she is an English performer in a Mike Lee movie, is very much a working actor in Los Angeles who was on a procedural CBS television show for many years, who a lot of people have worked with over time. She's a part of the community of Hollywood. So that felt very compelling to me. Now, that would leave out Fernanda Torres, Pamela Anderson, and I would like to see Nicole Kidman.
- [56:26]
Amanda Dobbins
That's also who I have.
- [56:27]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [56:27]
Amanda Dobbins
You coming around on Baby Girl?
- [56:29]
Sean Fennessy
No, I like it. I always liked it.
- [56:31]
Amanda Dobbins
You didn't want to put it in.
- [56:32]
Sean Fennessy
The hall of Fame, but I acquiesced.
- [56:35]
Amanda Dobbins
I know.
- [56:35]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [56:35]
Chris Ryan
You find it too sexually confrontational.
- [56:38]
Sean Fennessy
I feel like it didn't go far enough.
- [56:39]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [56:40]
Sean Fennessy
I felt like. Yeah. I feel like I. Harris thinking needed to do more.
- [56:44]
Chris Ryan
I didn't.
- [56:44]
Amanda Dobbins
When are you. I guess you should probably see it. Wait for Phoebe.
- [56:47]
Chris Ryan
Yeah. Do you think I should go as a solo man to get a camera on you?
- [56:51]
Sean Fennessy
Clockwork Orange style whilst you watch Baby Girl and the only time you're able to open your mouth is when I feed you milk.
- [56:59]
Chris Ryan
I heard about that.
- [57:00]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I bet you'd like that. Nicole Kidman would knock out for me. Cynthia Erivo me as well. Yeah.
- [57:09]
Amanda Dobbins
And let me say that's just because of the wicked performance. Incredible press run.
- [57:15]
Sean Fennessy
Yep.
- [57:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Really appreciate and support all of it.
- [57:18]
Sean Fennessy
Is this the first category that we match on?
- [57:20]
Amanda Dobbins
I think so. I mean, we're like four for five on basically every single one.
- [57:24]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. As unpredictable a year as it has been, I think the precursors have started to calcify a lot of this stuff. Best actor.
- [57:30]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [57:31]
Sean Fennessy
I'll go first.
- [57:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [57:32]
Sean Fennessy
I believe the nominees will be Adrien Brody for the Brutalist. Timothee Chalamet for A Complete Unknown. Colman Domingo for Sing Sing. Ralph Fiennes for Conclave. And Sebastian. Stan.
- [57:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Me too, for the Apprentice.
- [57:45]
Sean Fennessy
The Apprentice?
- [57:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [57:46]
Sean Fennessy
Really?
- [57:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you are aware of what's happening on Monday, but I think that people are working through their feelings.
- [57:54]
Sean Fennessy
Never seen a guy turn a campaign around by sheer will to the way that Stan has publicly talked about the way that this movie was received and drawn.
- [58:06]
Chris Ryan
Basically called everybody cowards for not supporting it.
- [58:09]
Sean Fennessy
And it worked, and it was very smart and from my perspective, totally worthy nomination. I think he's excellent in that movie. That's not a fun movie to watch these days for a variety of reasons, but he's an exceptional actor. It's very brave to take on this part for A variety of reasons. If I had to do a hoping for it would be Hugh Grant.
- [58:33]
Amanda Dobbins
Me too. Because it would just be fun.
- [58:35]
Sean Fennessy
It would just be fun. I don't really know who I'd be knocking off here.
- [58:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Can I be honest now that I don't think he's. He's gonna win for his It's Time award.
- [58:46]
Sean Fennessy
You knock off Rafe.
- [58:47]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. And we can come back another time. He's very good in conclave. I enjoyed that movie. Pretty silly, you guys.
- [58:53]
Chris Ryan
Feel like conclave in general has kind of plateaued.
- [58:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, it got the most BAFTA nominations.
- [58:59]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, it's got 11 nominations. But All Quiet on the Western Front got 14 nominations.
- [59:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure. It got a ton of Oscar nominations, too. It didn't win.
- [59:06]
Sean Fennessy
It didn't win. Well, it did win international, but it won't be eligible for that this year. They like Edward Berger movies, but I.
- [59:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Don'T know that I like Edward Berger movies too.
- [59:14]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. I think if, like an actor in particular, if Chalamet wins.
- [59:19]
Chris Ryan
Sorry.
- [59:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Which is helpful since I'm moving to England to see Paddington stares dragging into.
- [59:26]
Chris Ryan
My eyes as you take a giant.
- [59:30]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, you said that you prefer me in love.
- [59:37]
Sean Fennessy
You think it was because I directed her to look in your direction to hit the microphone.
- [59:40]
Amanda Dobbins
He also just keeps talking about how he misses sitting, like, right across from someone in the semi. Yeah.
- [59:46]
Sean Fennessy
It's not natural.
- [59:47]
Chris Ryan
I like.
- [59:47]
Amanda Dobbins
So I'm trying to. I'm trying to. Chris.
- [59:50]
Sean Fennessy
Well, are you having a hard time locking eyes with me?
- [59:53]
Chris Ryan
No, I can see you. She's just in my periphery, so I don't like that.
- [59:58]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, you're like a leopard, you know, don't get behind me. I might turn around and claw your face off.
- [60:05]
Amanda Dobbins
You want to just check the ergo?
- [60:06]
Sean Fennessy
I guess I don't. I don't want to see what I mean.
- [60:08]
Chris Ryan
It's pretty heavy, though.
- [60:09]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, well, woman buys water bottle at Target, makes lots of content out of it. This is what's been happening two consecutive episodes of the show.
- [60:17]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, it's 2025. We're all doing the best we can.
- [60:22]
Sean Fennessy
I don't want to knock anybody off for Hugh Grant. No offense to Hugh Grant. Okay, so that's twice. I've not totally played your game. I apologize.
- [60:29]
Amanda Dobbins
That's fine. I just. I think Ralph Fines should have won for a bigger splash, and I want to come back to a bigger splash for another.
- [60:35]
Sean Fennessy
We have a deeper conversation to have about that best director. You go first, Amanda.
- [60:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Sean Baker and Nora Brady Courbet. The brutalist Edward Berger. Conclave. Jacques Odillard. Emilia Perez and Coralie Farjot. The substance.
- [60:50]
Sean Fennessy
We match five out of five.
- [60:52]
Chris Ryan
What do you guys wish for?
- [60:54]
Sean Fennessy
Rommel. Ross.
- [60:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Me too. Even though I haven't even seen it yet. But sounds cool.
- [60:57]
Chris Ryan
Not Alex Garland.
- [61:00]
Sean Fennessy
I think I'd be cool. I would like to. There's always one surprise. There's always one thing.
- [61:06]
Chris Ryan
Villeneuve.
- [61:07]
Amanda Dobbins
No. That's not happening. I guess that was a takeaway that we should have held your hand. You and. It's not happening.
- [61:13]
Sean Fennessy
He's actually being retroactively nominated for Sicario. It's going to be very exciting that morning. I don't think it's happening.
- [61:19]
Chris Ryan
What do you think we'll win the Thalberg Award for Stefano Selima.
- [61:24]
Sean Fennessy
Or Jeremy? Sonia.
- [61:26]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [61:28]
Sean Fennessy
Hmm. I don't. I have Ramel down as my hoping for. I would probably take Edward Burker off.
- [61:35]
Amanda Dobbins
I would take Odard.
- [61:37]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, Odard. Yeah. I didn't even think of odard.
- [61:39]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [61:39]
Sean Fennessy
No, I definitely would take Jacques Odard. Sorry. You're right. That's the right move. Denis or James Mangold wouldn't be. Wouldn't be stunned if either of them made it. Also wouldn't be stunned if Corly Farja missed.
- [61:48]
Amanda Dobbins
I wouldn't either. But they're getting better about being like, we should probably nominate a woman.
- [61:55]
Sean Fennessy
You know, I believe there is a clause in the voting for BAFTA that you need to include a woman.
- [62:00]
Amanda Dobbins
There is? Yeah. I mean, they have all sorts of things which.
- [62:03]
Sean Fennessy
How do you feel about that?
- [62:04]
Amanda Dobbins
I, I. It's very complicated. Okay.
- [62:08]
Sean Fennessy
Feel free to share.
- [62:09]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm. I just. Let's keep it moving.
- [62:12]
Sean Fennessy
Are you holding space because you want to be able to move to England without being. Coming under fire from the British association.
- [62:19]
Chris Ryan
Of Film and Television to England because.
- [62:22]
Sean Fennessy
So she can see Paddington in Peru.
- [62:23]
Chris Ryan
Oh, okay. Yeah. Did he ever use the postcards that we brought back for him? The book with the letters?
- [62:28]
Sean Fennessy
Paddington.
- [62:29]
Chris Ryan
The Paddington book that we brought back?
- [62:31]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. But then we lost one of the postcard, you know, so it's always funny.
- [62:35]
Sean Fennessy
To watch you guys getting into a conversation about Knox and you only refer to him as he. As though he were Christ. Best picture. Okay, here's what I've got. Did I just go? No. I go now.
- [62:48]
Amanda Dobbins
Why don't. Yeah. What if we alternate and then you could say that keeps.
- [62:54]
Chris Ryan
That keeps it fun for me.
- [62:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. The brutalist.
- [62:57]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. A complete unknown.
- [62:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [63:00]
Sean Fennessy
Conclave.
- [63:00]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I was supposed to go again.
- [63:01]
Sean Fennessy
Sorry.
- [63:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. I have conclave. Amelia Perez.
- [63:04]
Sean Fennessy
Yes.
- [63:04]
Amanda Dobbins
And Wicked.
- [63:05]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. Dune Part 2.
- [63:07]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes.
- [63:08]
Sean Fennessy
A real pain.
- [63:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. The substance.
- [63:11]
Sean Fennessy
Yes.
- [63:13]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm gonna go with Nickel Boyz.
- [63:14]
Sean Fennessy
I have Sing Sing.
- [63:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay. Mine is. I'd like to see Sing Sing. But I'm not taking it away from Nickel Boys, a film I literally haven't seen yet. It's on my list. I would take it away from Emilia Perez.
- [63:26]
Chris Ryan
Can I ask a question?
- [63:27]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [63:28]
Chris Ryan
Why is Dune part 2 a best picture nominee if it's not getting any other recognition?
- [63:33]
Amanda Dobbins
I think that Dune Part two might fall off. That could be a surprise.
- [63:37]
Sean Fennessy
It's possible. It's possible. It is very widely seen and has huge support for Below the Line and will probably have somewhere between 4 and 7 below the line nominations. You gotta think about sound, visual effects, production design, costumes, hair and makeup, cinematography. Like these are all in play. Plus director is in play, plus best picture. You know, I think Dune part one had 10 nominations and won, I think four Oscars. So there's big appreciation for the mounting of that movie. There's not a lot of appreciation for being considered a best picture worthy masterpiece, which I think is a darn shame and is kind of the last if the substance is getting nominated for best Picture. A science fiction movie winning best Picture. I guess everything I ever roll at once was kind of that, but not really. But like a true hard sci fi movie winning Best Picture is like, that's the last step. That's the last stage. Because sci fi is not superhero. Like superhero is a much more modern thing. Science fiction movies. Metropolis is 100 years old. This has been happening in movies for a long time. And it is still not accepted in the same way that virtually every other genre is. So I think it's interesting that it has no chance right now. Even though it's one of the 10 highest grossing movies of the year, many people agree it's terrific. Villeneuve has also ascended to very rarefy there as a director.
- [65:06]
Chris Ryan
I'm fairly certain that it will not get the Return of the King will get you on the last one. Because Dune Messiah is quite odd.
- [65:15]
Sean Fennessy
I'm wondering how many modifications wicked style will be made to Messiah to make it seem more praise.
- [65:22]
Chris Ryan
Whatever they do, it's still going to be a tough. I think it's still going to be a tougher watch.
- [65:28]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [65:28]
Chris Ryan
It's going to be a tougher. I don't think it's going to be as broadly popular.
- [65:31]
Sean Fennessy
It's on the calendar right for. Is it 20?
- [65:33]
Chris Ryan
27 Is Villeneuve's next film for 26?
- [65:35]
Sean Fennessy
It might be. For 20, it might be end of year 26. No, that can't be right.
- [65:39]
Amanda Dobbins
It'll look really cool. Yeah. Look, I mean, I'm just thinking through, is everyone available? Like, what else do we know about everyone else's next project?
- [65:47]
Sean Fennessy
It's a very good question, specifically because you've got Chalamet, Florence Pugh and Florence.
- [65:52]
Amanda Dobbins
But Austin Butler's dead. Right.
- [65:55]
Sean Fennessy
I believe it's. I think it's dated for December 18, 2026, but I think it's just Untitled Denis Villeneuve film. And then there was. There was news that he was going to make the nuclear devastation movie, but now I guess that's not at the front of the line anymore.
- [66:08]
Chris Ryan
Anyhow, Katherine Bigelow is like, I got this.
- [66:11]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Will you be joining us for the Bigelow pod next year? Yes, this year.
- [66:14]
Chris Ryan
Sure.
- [66:15]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. You're interested?
- [66:16]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [66:16]
Sean Fennessy
Great. My alts are Nosferatu, all we imagine as light in September 5th. But I'm hoping for Nickel Boys. Any other movies you think could get in there? Any other, like. Like random Seed of the Sacred Fig nomination out of nowhere, Something like that?
- [66:30]
Amanda Dobbins
Sure. Though I think it would be all we imagine. It's light as the. The kind of international.
- [66:35]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, I could see that happening. I could see that happening.
- [66:38]
Amanda Dobbins
The reason for Nickel Boys is that it's like. It's everywhere. You know, it like it was not in the DGA5, but Ramel Ross did get like for feature. Right. It was at. It was not in BAFTA's five best films, but it was in screenplay. Like it's. There are. It was on the AFI list. You know, there are like bits and.
- [66:58]
Sean Fennessy
Pieces, you know, where it missed. Where cinematographers. Which is weird.
- [67:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [67:03]
Sean Fennessy
That wasn't a good sign to me.
- [67:04]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [67:04]
Sean Fennessy
It missing. Cause Jomo Frey, I believe the cinematographer's name is. His work has been very celebrated for what they do in that movie. And not being there is a bit suspect. Those are our predictions.
- [67:17]
Amanda Dobbins
What do you think?
- [67:18]
Chris Ryan
I'm riveted. I mean, I thought that that's a very complete picture. The Complete Picture should be the new name of the spot.
- [67:24]
Amanda Dobbins
So what are your viewing priorities now that you've had to sit here and listen to us talk for 45 minutes?
- [67:31]
Chris Ryan
Well, I think I probably owe it to the culture to watch a little bit of like watch Wicked. Okay. And other than that, I haven't seen September 5th and that's it. I think otherwise I'm pretty up to date.
- [67:45]
Amanda Dobbins
And the other half of Emilia Perez.
- [67:46]
Chris Ryan
And the other half of Emilia Perez.
- [67:47]
Sean Fennessy
Are you prepared to address the fact that you watched and loved Flo oh yeah.
- [67:52]
Amanda Dobbins
You guys wanna talk about it? Oh yeah, I saw it. I haven't seen it.
- [67:54]
Chris Ryan
That cat. You know what? Can I tell you something about Flo? Not to spoil it.
- [67:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [67:59]
Chris Ryan
That bird reminded me of you.
- [68:00]
Sean Fennessy
Thank you. Appreciate that. I was thinking of. You're more the capybara to me. Yeah. That's your answer?
- [68:05]
Chris Ryan
No, I don't nap that much.
- [68:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, there's a capybara. Yeah, I'm into capybara. I like those movies.
- [68:10]
Chris Ryan
It's very enjoyable. Surprisingly sad in places film with a lot of swimming. Terrific movies.
- [68:15]
Amanda Dobbins
I like swimming. I don't need more sad right now.
- [68:20]
Chris Ryan
But how about that though? My wife really wanted to watch it and I was like.
- [68:23]
Sean Fennessy
She texted me and my heart grew 10 sizes when she saw it. I still have not shown it to my daughter and I would really like to. Do you think she would.
- [68:31]
Chris Ryan
I think it's a little too dark and I think you're going to have to explain some things.
- [68:34]
Sean Fennessy
No dialogue.
- [68:34]
Chris Ryan
She's not ready to.
- [68:36]
Sean Fennessy
No dialogue in this film. Okay, well, it's time to pivot to the 2026 Best Picture winner. I'm referring of course to den of Thieves 2 Pantera, which is the number one movie at the American box office right now. This is a sequel to the surprise 2018 cult classic that was co written and directed by Christian Gutigast. This is a not one, but two time appearer on the Rewatchables podcast, including a recent episode recorded live in front of a studio audience including Christian Gudegast. And Christian Gudegast. This, the first film, is very fun and very quickly gained a strong reputation within the annals of the ringer as exactly the kind of thing we need. Yes, this is. More and more people are saying Den of Thieves. Chris and I, because of our lot in life, our wonderful lot in life, have been hearing about this movie for a very long time from both people, both behind the scenes and people who just wanted it in their eyeballs. Big Nick is back. This is a Gerard Butler project. He and O'Shea Jackson, Jr. Ice Cube's son, are the two key stars and perhaps two of the only survivors of the original film.
- [69:51]
Chris Ryan
I believe there were a couple of members of Big Nick's sheriff's squad. Right. I don't know that. They're not referenced in this film, to my knowledge. We will get into that.
- [70:01]
Sean Fennessy
Was Brian Van Holt one of those guys? Yeah, he's great. He wasn't back in this new one, unfortunately.
- [70:06]
Chris Ryan
I think he lived.
- [70:07]
Sean Fennessy
I think you're right.
- [70:08]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [70:09]
Sean Fennessy
Den of Thieves, you're not really on the record about Den of Thieves, the original film.
- [70:13]
Amanda Dobbins
That is because despite, you know, living and working alongside you guys for many years, I had not seen it until this week. It was more like I got all the. Like, I knew about Benihana, you know, I knew about, like, I. I knew it was in the Heat tradition.
- [70:30]
Chris Ryan
Yes. Did you know this much? Atlanta would be in Torrance and Gardenia.
- [70:35]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I come. I've come to accept, expect it at this point. So I had a real treat of watching Den of Thieves and then den of Thieves 2. And I have to tell you, when Benihana shows up, it's just electric. I was like, benihana. Here we are.
- [70:48]
Sean Fennessy
One of the best scenes in the movie, in the ceiling location, Gerard Butler confronting Pablo Schreiber.
- [70:52]
Amanda Dobbins
Despite knowing so much about Den of Thieves, without having seen Den of Thieves, I was like, oh, wow, they're really going for it. You know, I got it. I really understood it. I thought parts of it were absolutely ridiculous, but on purpose, and that is the point. And I had a fantastic time.
- [71:13]
Sean Fennessy
We commonly use the word garbage to describe a certain kind of movie that feels similar to a more classical or celebrated version of a movie. Yeah, this is the truest garbage Heat movie that exists.
- [71:27]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, absolutely.
- [71:28]
Sean Fennessy
And I say that with a lot of affection. I really, really like the original Den of Thieves. It's on streaming on Max right now if you're interested in checking it out. Seems like a lot of people are checking it out. I think it's number one on their movie chart at the moment.
- [71:36]
Chris Ryan
I saw it all over letterboxd last week.
- [71:39]
Sean Fennessy
This new movie you could make. The case doesn't need to exist. And I think that's part of why I greatly enjoyed this movie. This sequel is very, very different. It takes us away from eastern Los Angeles and creates an international journey of heistory. Bignik is back. Ciara, I thought before we get into your feelings about the movie, do you just want to talk about your experience of watching this film?
- [72:05]
Chris Ryan
So, obviously, as Sean, as you mentioned, this was. It's an international crime caper. It's mostly set in the south of France. It pulls from the legendary and infamous Balkan Jewel gang. Jewel heist gang, the Pink Panthers. There is a Pantera is why that. That's the name of the film. It's the Panthers. There is Italian spoken in this film, there's French spoken this film, there's assorted Balkan languages.
- [72:31]
Sean Fennessy
Quite a bit of Serbian.
- [72:32]
Chris Ryan
Yes, a lot of Serbian. And I went to a Friday night showing of this film at an AMC theater. And like thousands of men across this country. I was apparently one of the people who saw what was, according to the man in the lobby who worked for the theater, a corrupted file. And so they needed to redownload it at the last second. And that version of the movie that we watched did not have subtitles. So I watched Den of Thieves with no subtitles. Now. You guys saw it, I imagine with subtitles.
- [73:04]
Sean Fennessy
I did.
- [73:05]
Chris Ryan
How much of the movie had subtitles?
- [73:09]
Sean Fennessy
So much.
- [73:10]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. Like a good amount. Like, yeah. So it's fair to say that 60.
- [73:13]
Chris Ryan
Of this film is in a language that I didn't really understand. Like, I can sometimes pick up some French. Broadly right. But I got what this movie.
- [73:24]
Amanda Dobbins
I was gonna say. But, like, also, in many ways, this is the silent film, you know, and.
- [73:28]
Chris Ryan
That was kind of a remarkable experience.
- [73:31]
Amanda Dobbins
So we.
- [73:31]
Chris Ryan
I had seen the first 10 minutes. Christian Gud came for the first the Den of Thieves podcast. He showed the first 10 minutes of Pantera to the crowd, which is a heist and has subtitles, which is what made my alarm bells go off. I was like, why? That's weird. Did you wonder? They took them off after, like, they screen tested it with us or something. And then as we got further and further into it and guys are just having full conversations in French, I was like, this seems wrong. So I ran out to the lobby and I was like, is there. Do you guys have to hit, like, a button to turn the subtitles on? He's like, oh, no, it's the file. Sorry. And if you go online, lots of people were like, I went to go see Den of Thieves Friday night and there were no subtitles. It was so fucked up. And I think actually also maybe the way in which it was projected that night was off. Like, there are some people complaining about some visual stuff. It sounds like they've righted the ship. It sounds like America voted with their wallets and said, we're here for Big Nick, no matter what language it's in. So very strange. We can get into the film itself.
- [74:27]
Sean Fennessy
Well, what you're talking about, though, is an amazing test of whether or not this movie is total cinema, baby. Because the plotting, as with the original film, quite arcane, sometimes deeply confusing, and that may not matter. I did text you as I was revisiting the original this week, Chris, and I was like, why is the last hour of Den of Thieves the way that it is? Which is to say, so long and complicated and almost like the slow cinema of Heist movies where you're sort of like, what point are you trying to make by dragging this out in the very specific way that you are. I think ultimately I came to understand something that's very clear in this movie too, which is that this filmmaker is just like, it's so fucking cool what these guys do. And it's hard and it takes a lot of work. And I'm gonna spend time focusing on all the little details, even if you.
- [75:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Think it's, like, a little bit boring and definitely confusing.
- [75:19]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. And this movie, I think, is somewhat similar, but it does an inversion of that, which is that the first hour of den of Thieves 2 is basically a hangout movie.
- [75:30]
Chris Ryan
It's like Midnight Run.
- [75:32]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. And there's been a lot of comparisons to Ocean's Place.
- [75:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Like.
- [75:35]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, it's not.
- [75:36]
Chris Ryan
It's a buddy comedy.
- [75:37]
Sean Fennessy
Yes, sure.
- [75:38]
Chris Ryan
It's like two guys fish out of water in south of France doing Molly.
- [75:43]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah.
- [75:44]
Chris Ryan
Getting to know each other.
- [75:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. I almost went to the bathroom during the Molly scene. Can you imagine?
- [75:48]
Chris Ryan
Can you imagine?
- [75:49]
Sean Fennessy
That would have been a mistake.
- [75:50]
Amanda Dobbins
And I will say this for the. For the film after that point, I was like, well, I don't know when I can go to the bathroom because, like, I'm gonna miss them doing Molly. And it took, like, a really long time. And I'll tell you that I finally went to the bathroom during the Heart to heart scene, but I had to.
- [76:08]
Chris Ryan
Get through after they swim back to shore or. No. When he's like, I need this brother.
- [76:13]
Sean Fennessy
When they're having shawarma and Stella.
- [76:15]
Amanda Dobbins
Which I guess is like, not that long after the Molly scene. The Molly scene goes on for a while. Well, I sat through. I was like, I really have to stay because I need to hear what O'Shea Jackson Jr. S like, motivation. Like, what is the. What's the explanation? What's the motivation? Like, help me understand this character. And then sort of that happened. And then Gerard Butler was, like, doing some big Nick relating stuff, and I was like, I get it. I can. I can pee during this.
- [76:41]
Sean Fennessy
You don't understand men.
- [76:42]
Amanda Dobbins
That's my takeaway from the beginning of that sequence.
- [76:45]
Sean Fennessy
So sometimes a man has to walk to a magnet school, and that explains why he is an internationally known criminal felon.
- [76:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, I watched that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [76:56]
Sean Fennessy
That was great. It actually wasn't great. And, you know, the flaw of the.
- [76:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Movie, obviously, is that they can't act.
- [77:01]
Sean Fennessy
It's hard to get that stuff. The motivational emotional connectivity to characters, that's not really what Den of Thieves is about. I liked that they tried to go for it to give us a reason to better understand Nick and Donnie, but. And I liked watching that scene, but I wasn't like, oh, I see now why these men are this way. Like, men are that way. Cause they're animals. That's what the movie is about.
- [77:22]
Chris Ryan
There's a. It's weird, you know, we just went through this whole process of you guys doing what you wish had happened with nominations and who you would replace. And I. I will be candid and say that if I was given my pick of any guy to live through Den of Thieves and get into den of Thieves 2, it would not have been the Donnie character.
- [77:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [77:42]
Chris Ryan
Of course, his sort of naivete is a twist in the first one where you're like, how's this guy get hooked up with these absolute, like, hitters?
- [77:51]
Amanda Dobbins
Right?
- [77:51]
Chris Ryan
And then you find out, well, he's like kind of the Kaiser Soze of the whole thing.
- [77:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. But even when, like, what does he have to say? Like, I'm very aware of my entire environment or whatever. And. But like, that's not delivered in a confidence inspiring way.
- [78:03]
Sean Fennessy
It's.
- [78:04]
Chris Ryan
It's not as is. It's not as super believable.
- [78:07]
Sean Fennessy
You think you should have been recast with Spacey?
- [78:09]
Chris Ryan
No, but we did tease out, like, the idea of, like, could. Could Merriman have had, like a twin somewhere that we could bring back that Pablo Schreiber could play? In any case, if you. I think that this is a really fun and cool crime film. It's not necessarily the spiritual inheritor of the Den of Thieves Mystique, for me. Do you know what I mean?
- [78:33]
Sean Fennessy
Interesting.
- [78:34]
Chris Ryan
I thought it was tonally much different. It asked us to kind of imagine this guy seven years later. Is that what it is? Like, because, like, he's looking at pictures of himself. He's like, oh, that's. That was years ago. Right. Like, yeah.
- [78:46]
Sean Fennessy
Although his daughter didn't seem that much older. I couldn't remember.
- [78:49]
Chris Ryan
Do we see his daughter in this film?
- [78:51]
Sean Fennessy
I thought we saw. We saw. Yeah. When she's getting in the car when they're leaving in the first film.
- [78:55]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, but we don't see her in the second film. In the second film at family court.
- [78:59]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, you're right. We don't see her.
- [79:00]
Amanda Dobbins
We don't see her.
- [79:00]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can't remember how much time is supposed to have transpired.
- [79:04]
Sean Fennessy
He visits her at school in the first film.
- [79:06]
Chris Ryan
Yes. That's where he goes before the shootout at the End. I thought it was like a really, really cool movie as like a caper that's separate from Den of Thieves. When in this film Big Nick says, and this time no one gets hurt. There was like a real like, oh, yeah, no one's gonna get hurt in this movie.
- [79:26]
Sean Fennessy
No, that's not entirely what happens.
- [79:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [79:28]
Chris Ryan
But like the whole. The reason Den of Thieves, you stand at attention is because the first scene of the movie, climax of any other movie.
- [79:37]
Amanda Dobbins
Really true. It's really, really intense. And I was like, oh, so like they are shooting people in this movie.
- [79:44]
Chris Ryan
And there's this very cool moment where Paulo Schreiber's character is like looking in the back of an armored truck and he goes, we're cop killers now.
- [79:51]
Amanda Dobbins
And everybody's just like, you guys all did good job.
- [79:54]
Chris Ryan
Thank you.
- [79:54]
Amanda Dobbins
Of recreating that on the Rewatch podcast, which I enjoyed.
- [79:57]
Chris Ryan
That pipe hitting moment is absent from this film.
- [80:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [80:01]
Chris Ryan
And that's okay.
- [80:03]
Amanda Dobbins
But the opening is really. First of all, at some point they're just driving around in the dark with various warehouse hangers and I, I guess my attention span is not what it was, but I got a little. I got a little bored at some point.
- [80:16]
Chris Ryan
Oh, and they're stealing.
- [80:17]
Amanda Dobbins
It was not. You know, and that's a high bar.
- [80:20]
Sean Fennessy
You got a little bored in two.
- [80:21]
Amanda Dobbins
During the heist at the beginning.
- [80:24]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, yeah. Okay. The ants were pice or.
- [80:26]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, the ants were pissed. Yeah, yeah. Because. But and also, having just seen Den of Thieves, I was expecting it to start with a banger like Den of Thieves. And I was like, okay, you guys are just driving around, but you're not even exploding the plane.
- [80:40]
Sean Fennessy
It's really more to set up the Cleopatra character and how she connects with Donnie and this kind of new den. That's what they're showing us is the new den. And I think what the movie is trying to do is say the Den of Thieves has nothing to do with Merriman or even in some ways, Big Nick. What it has to do is like a coterie of people who steal things. That's what it is.
- [80:58]
Amanda Dobbins
I agree with Chris that. That misunderstands what's appealing about denim.
- [81:02]
Sean Fennessy
Could be, could be.
- [81:03]
Chris Ryan
But maybe what this is, and I think that this is going to be a long running franchise. It can be many things and maybe what will happen now? Can Big Nick keep it going? Can Big Nick keep showing up?
- [81:16]
Sean Fennessy
I don't think you can do one of these without him.
- [81:18]
Chris Ryan
I agree with that.
- [81:19]
Sean Fennessy
So how do they get him back in the fold after the events at the end of this movie, which we don't necessarily have to spoil for this episode.
- [81:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, he has this, like, he's halfway in the fold. I mean, he's always been in and out of the lodge.
- [81:34]
Sean Fennessy
It's part of what makes him a great character. It is so deep. It's a great deep.
- [81:38]
Chris Ryan
He doesn't know which way is up.
- [81:38]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, yeah, I know. It's such a good aspect of that.
- [81:41]
Amanda Dobbins
So I found Big Nick. This was obviously Big Nick has entered my life in the last week. Just like an incredibly repellent character in, like, such a powerful way. But I was like, no, no, this is good because, like, I am like, I am allergic to. To all of that.
- [81:58]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [81:59]
Amanda Dobbins
But they. They commit to it so much.
- [82:02]
Chris Ryan
And the first one especially.
- [82:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah, I. But I was just like, wow, this is like. If I had to write out my definition of a true fudgeing loser, like the type of person in the world that I'm just like, yuck. It would be that. And they nailed all of it, so that's really beautiful. You know, weird, because anything. Den of thieves to softens him.
- [82:21]
Sean Fennessy
Well, that. That's the thing is in. At the beginning of this film, you're like, this is very much the same loser that you're talking about. And even all the way up until the moment when he gets to France and he encounters Donnie, you're like, this guy's still a piece of shit. He's drinking the Johnny Walker. He's so sweaty. His hair is, like, wet the whole time in this movie, which is just disgusting. I don't know is he putting product in there or why is it always wet? And you think that he's going to break badder than anybody's ever broken before.
- [82:52]
Chris Ryan
Which would have been hard as shit.
- [82:54]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. And they've chosen to do the opposite, which, as you pointed it out, but they, like, weirdly make him very ethical.
- [82:58]
Chris Ryan
He's like Batman.
- [83:00]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, yeah.
- [83:01]
Sean Fennessy
Which I think is maybe goes to a church. He does go to have, like a.
- [83:05]
Chris Ryan
Moment of go to specifically, I think, to see that cop. But. Yeah, yeah, well, sure.
- [83:09]
Amanda Dobbins
But like, his moment of revelation is, like, literally in church.
- [83:14]
Chris Ryan
Yeah. So I think only three guys die in this movie.
- [83:18]
Sean Fennessy
Well, there's an epic aerial assassination at the end of a long car chase.
- [83:24]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, yeah.
- [83:24]
Chris Ryan
Incredible.
- [83:25]
Sean Fennessy
It's amazing. The car chase is sick. It is worth the price of admission.
- [83:29]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [83:30]
Sean Fennessy
The car chase at the end of the movie. It is so cool. Driving through the mountains of Nice in.
- [83:36]
Chris Ryan
France in Porsches that have been like, Basically, like, doctored to not have any safety measures.
- [83:41]
Sean Fennessy
Totally blacked out with the NAS all the way up. So there's some. There's some extreme violence there. There's a little bit of, like. There's a Serbian gang that is running all of the heist work in Europe stuff. That is, like, a little. I would say, a little vague.
- [83:56]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, sure.
- [83:57]
Chris Ryan
Those guys are Sardinian, Right?
- [83:59]
Sean Fennessy
They're in Sardinia. But my man's name is Slobodan.
- [84:02]
Chris Ryan
Oh, yeah, no, Slobodon's different than the guy at the end of the movie.
- [84:06]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, yes, that's true. But there's the.
- [84:08]
Chris Ryan
I think there is the.
- [84:09]
Sean Fennessy
But Slobodon is Italian mosque.
- [84:12]
Chris Ryan
And then Slobodan is the guy that was my. The leader of the.
- [84:15]
Amanda Dobbins
That was my understanding.
- [84:16]
Sean Fennessy
That's. But. Right. What I'm saying is, Slobodan, that the Serbian gangs run the heist game.
- [84:22]
Chris Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
- [84:23]
Sean Fennessy
Whereas the Italian mafia runs the Diamond.
- [84:26]
Chris Ryan
Exchange, and they get. They. They steal the wrong diamonds.
- [84:28]
Sean Fennessy
Yes.
- [84:29]
Chris Ryan
And that. Yeah. I mean, all that stuff was very cool to me.
- [84:32]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [84:33]
Chris Ryan
Did you notice this one thing, either of you? Was there a drone shot every five seconds in this film?
- [84:39]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, it felt like.
- [84:39]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [84:40]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [84:40]
Sean Fennessy
I actually thought. I usually get so annoyed by this. And my single biggest annoyance in American movies right now is a film either opening or moving from its second act to its third act with a drone shot moving through a forest in a lonely road, following a car. This is the most overdone shot in American movies and tv. It should be over. We should never see it again. We do not need to see that. There is a desolation and an isolation in the forest. And in the American experience, we get it. However, if you're in the mountains of Sardinia, it's very cool. You should have a drone shot.
- [85:12]
Chris Ryan
I found it in the first half a little bit more distracting. The car chase in the mountains, the drones going everywhere. It's awesome in the first half when you're like. We're like 80 seconds into a scene, and then it's like a drone that goes, like, flying out the car window. I was just like, all right, There's.
- [85:26]
Amanda Dobbins
A lot to me, it's just also. It has become now this sign of, oh, we didn't actually go here. We just sent a drone to take a shot. And, you know. And I know that's not actually true in this case, but this was shot on location, though. Right. But now my brain, whenever I see one of the shots, I'm like, okay, establishing shot. And then you're, you know, And I get mad.
- [85:45]
Chris Ryan
It's essentially two movies, though. I mean, that's worth talking about. Like the first movie, the first half of it is this kind of like shaggy dog, buddy cop. Like two guys, opposites attract, having fun. He is. Big Nick shows up and is weirdly welcomed into the most notorious jewel gang in all of Europe. Are like, oh, you being a sheriff is. Is an advantage.
- [86:08]
Sean Fennessy
Quite. Quite dubious.
- [86:10]
Chris Ryan
And Cleopatra, who is this woman who runs all of this stuff, is like seduced easily by Big Nick's charms.
- [86:18]
Amanda Dobbins
Right?
- [86:18]
Chris Ryan
No, you are not. And then that goes on for a bit. And then we get one full like hour and 10 minute set piece. Two set pieces really, that are just fantastic.
- [86:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [86:33]
Chris Ryan
The actual jewel heist and then the.
- [86:36]
Sean Fennessy
The car, the escape. So the heist itself, I found a little wanting. A little one.
- [86:44]
Amanda Dobbins
I agree.
- [86:44]
Sean Fennessy
Given the standards and given. I think there's like a real ingenuity and weirdness to the one in the first one where it's like, yeah, explaining why they stole the armored truck that was empty in the first place. And then the setup of, of entering the bank, but using that as a, like a false flag for getting to the Federal Reserve. And then the idea of the money that is not yet shredded. It was. It's all very. Even though it takes a long time and at times is sort of annoying to wait to get through its construction is very cool to think about. This one is similarly ornate. We're sort of like, Donnie makes a deal to sell diamonds and then needs to steal back those diamonds. Is that more or less how it.
- [87:25]
Chris Ryan
Steals the Italian Mafia's diamonds?
- [87:28]
Sean Fennessy
Right. He steals it.
- [87:29]
Chris Ryan
And the Italian Mafia is like, you have to get our diamonds back while in the process of stealing all these.
- [87:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Other diamonds or we'll kill you.
- [87:36]
Sean Fennessy
Or we'll kill you.
- [87:36]
Amanda Dobbins
And they're the Italian Mafia. So you don't. Yeah, no, I agree. Despite the elaborate setup at the end of the day, the second half of the movie, the heist, the tension is just like, oh, no, now we have to do. We have to do this thing and it's not going well. Okay. But then we fixed it and then we have to do this other thing.
- [87:58]
Chris Ryan
It's as.
- [87:58]
Amanda Dobbins
Instead of puzzle pieces coming together, you know, and it's like, oh, no, we can't find this special pink diamond that we need because the Italian Mafia's gonna kill us. And then, okay, we found it like, and oh no, Gerard Butler is like too swole to get off the roof, you know, and then. Which is like a thing that happens.
- [88:13]
Sean Fennessy
Or fading and then I think he.
- [88:15]
Chris Ryan
Blew his ACL out somewhere in the last couple of years. And that was hindering his position in real life. Yeah.
- [88:21]
Sean Fennessy
Oh, wow.
- [88:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [88:22]
Chris Ryan
Working on something.
- [88:23]
Amanda Dobbins
But so then he just gets off the roof another way, you know?
- [88:26]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. And then that's so interesting. I mean, part of the challenges is that they're wearing masks. And so there are plenty of times during that heist where I was like, is that Jerry Butler or is that some other guy? Is that a Serbian thief? And so that inability, like, he's obviously, he's the commsman through the heist. So that's how we kind of know that we're tracking him as he's talking to Cleopatra about, why were all of the rooms named after the beers? I forget, I don't know.
- [88:50]
Chris Ryan
Bex and Corona or whatever it was.
- [88:52]
Sean Fennessy
That, you know, when each space needed to go green during the heist sequence and they're like, bex is clear, Corona is clear.
- [88:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [88:59]
Sean Fennessy
I don't know. Just an interesting code word. We started at Cleopatra and then we got to Bex.
- [89:04]
Amanda Dobbins
Fair enough.
- [89:04]
Sean Fennessy
Amstel. Do you think that that was some more creative product placement like the rest of the film? Featuring Lacroix and Pepsi? Very conspicuous.
- [89:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, and Stella shot at the end of the. Of the vodka that they. Oh, yeah, that one was just like a close up on a bottle of vodka.
- [89:22]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [89:22]
Chris Ryan
Look, you have to. Art. Art's not free, man. You gotta pay for it somehow.
- [89:25]
Sean Fennessy
That's right. So I hear. You know, that's what I hear. I still had a great time watching this movie.
- [89:30]
Chris Ryan
Me too.
- [89:31]
Sean Fennessy
I saw it on a really, really fun time.
- [89:33]
Chris Ryan
I mean, I saw it. I. I literally did not get 55 to 60% of the dialogue. And I still really enjoyed myself.
- [89:40]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, you did get O'Shea Jackson Jr. S French English accent.
- [89:45]
Sean Fennessy
What'd you think of that accent?
- [89:47]
Amanda Dobbins
Um, I would say that was a low point.
- [89:49]
Sean Fennessy
Okay.
- [89:49]
Amanda Dobbins
I will say, in terms of knowing your actors and pivoting to their strengths, the buddy comedy aspect at least moves him towards comedy, which I think he's very adept at. Yeah, I would say voice work. He's not at CR's level and like, emotional.
- [90:07]
Sean Fennessy
You know, what if he played it more like Pete Seeger? You think that would have worked?
- [90:10]
Amanda Dobbins
That'd be good. You know, but he was great capo.
- [90:16]
Chris Ryan
Tutti capo our tails. But we're gonna steal that pink diamond for him.
- [90:22]
Sean Fennessy
On the flip side, Gerard Butler has never lost a day in his life. He's one of the most compelling, watchable slabs of meat in cinema.
- [90:34]
Chris Ryan
They just don't make him like him anymore.
- [90:35]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, it is something to behold. It was really, really fascinating.
- [90:40]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. I can smell him watching this movie. He has an energy that is unique and just extremely well deployed. I think he's very good also in movies where he is just sort of like, keep your nose clean hero type. Like, he has an ability to walk.
- [90:54]
Chris Ryan
What was the plane?
- [90:55]
Sean Fennessy
Plane. Greenland. Like those. He's very good in those kinds of movies, too, where he's just like a regular guy who just happens to be a little beefy, but him, like, stinking to high heaven while betting down a stripper. Very believable. Yeah.
- [91:10]
Chris Ryan
Have you been following the discourse about den of Thieves 2? That it is a spiritual and cinematic inheritor to Jean Pierre Melville's legacy, and even some, I think, have compared it to Robert Bresson?
- [91:22]
Sean Fennessy
There is a little bit. Here's the thing. You must feel this acutely because you're extremely influential, not just on the world at large, but your friends. But, like, at a certain point, you have to acknowledge that something that you've worked on has infiltrated in a bad way. And so all the boys on letterbox being like, this is rafifi to me about den of Thieves 2 means I have. I have transgressed and that I need to apologize for my sins. It's fucking.
- [91:51]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [91:51]
Sean Fennessy
These are like the influence, the anxiety of influence.
- [91:54]
Chris Ryan
You've got to put on your prayer belt.
- [91:57]
Sean Fennessy
Truly, I need to start, you know, whipping myself, Paul Bettany style. I'm a little concerned about that. That's not what this movie is. There. There's admiration.
- [92:06]
Chris Ryan
I think that there is definitely, like. He's like, I love French gangster movies. And this is supposed to be a mood piece. I totally think that. I don't want to sound like a crazy, like, caveman. It's just that part of the joy of Den of Thieves is the feeling that, like, anyone could go. It's anything could pop off at any moment. It could go down at Benihana, it could go down at the donut shop, whatever. And Gerard Butler being like, it's important just to, like, make sure guys get shot in their bulletproof vests and nobody gets hurt is boring.
- [92:37]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, yes, I want.
- [92:39]
Chris Ryan
I want it.
- [92:39]
Amanda Dobbins
It's not. Eating a donut that doesn't have blood on it.
- [92:42]
Chris Ryan
You know, it's not.
- [92:43]
Sean Fennessy
Honestly, this is such a perfect circular moment. Because, of course, one of the great David lynch quotes of all time is focus on the donut, not on the whole that. That is the way of thinking about the philosophy of life. It's about what's there, not about what's not there. It's not about the void. It's about the treat. It's about the exploration of what exists. And Den of Thieves is a very similar product. What exists is our movie set in Nice, in which.
- [93:05]
Chris Ryan
And I'm looking at the. Like, where's Torrance? Where's.
- [93:09]
Sean Fennessy
Yes. You want a dingy, nasty state that you reside in. You want to be able to Dr. Drive to the exteriors that are captured in the film Den of Thieves.
- [93:17]
Chris Ryan
Not the. Not the exteriors. They're all in Atlanta.
- [93:21]
Sean Fennessy
Are they all in Atlanta?
- [93:22]
Chris Ryan
I think a lot of it is in Atlanta.
- [93:23]
Sean Fennessy
That's too bad. How do you feel about that?
- [93:25]
Chris Ryan
Big Nick's wife's house is definitely in Atlanta.
- [93:28]
Amanda Dobbins
Yes. Yeah.
- [93:29]
Sean Fennessy
How do you guys know that?
- [93:30]
Chris Ryan
Well, I know that because I researched it. It's also like, Mark Anthony Green was like, that's down the street.
- [93:38]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, good to know. Any closing thoughts? Den of Thief's three. Will you be there?
- [93:42]
Chris Ryan
Yes.
- [93:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, sure.
- [93:44]
Sean Fennessy
Okay. What if Big Nick's not in?
- [93:46]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, I think that would be a mistake. But who am I?
- [93:49]
Chris Ryan
What side of the law is Big?
- [93:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Den of the Den of Thieves universe. He's.
- [93:53]
Sean Fennessy
I believe he's on the fence.
- [93:54]
Chris Ryan
Is he affiliated with any kind of law enforcement organization at this point? Is he part of Interpol? Is he part of the lasd?
- [94:01]
Sean Fennessy
It's unclear if he's been ejected from the sheriff's department of that one FBI.
- [94:06]
Chris Ryan
Agent is his homie now.
- [94:08]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah.
- [94:08]
Chris Ryan
Who is always just like, Lobbing Bob playing tennis.
- [94:11]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah. Some of the best stuff in den of Thieves 1 is him being like, you fuck this up, like, really, really mad at the FBI guy. Like, really mad. I wish that there was more of that in this movie, too. Okay. Any other closing thoughts?
- [94:24]
Amanda Dobbins
I enjoyed it. It's just sometimes it's nice to be a part of your world sometimes, you.
- [94:28]
Chris Ryan
Know, dump yours here. It's awesome.
- [94:30]
Sean Fennessy
It's the right kind of January movie, I think.
- [94:32]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [94:32]
Sean Fennessy
Do you think this will end up being the beekeeper of 2025?
- [94:36]
Chris Ryan
I definitely. Den of Thieves itself really stood up to multiple viewings, so I look forward to seeing den of Thieves 2 and.
- [94:43]
Sean Fennessy
Getting more dialogue with some subtitles. Yeah, that'll be helpful. And, you know, there is an actual kind of spiritual sequel to the Beekeeper coming in March called A Working Man.
- [94:52]
Chris Ryan
Yes, I'm aware of that.
- [94:53]
Sean Fennessy
In which David Jason Statham stars as a construction worker turned vigilante Hero.
- [94:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, no.
- [94:59]
Sean Fennessy
Directed by David Ayer.
- [95:00]
Chris Ryan
Written by Sylvester Stallone.
- [95:02]
Sean Fennessy
Written by Sylvester Stallone.
- [95:03]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, dear.
- [95:04]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, buckle up for that one.
- [95:05]
Chris Ryan
When does that come out?
- [95:06]
Sean Fennessy
March 28th.
- [95:08]
Amanda Dobbins
They're going to be really into that on the Ninja Creamy Reddit, I can tell you.
- [95:12]
Sean Fennessy
Good luck with all your boys on Ninja Creamy Reddit.
- [95:15]
Chris Ryan
Hi, guys. New to this community.
- [95:18]
Sean Fennessy
Are you guys excited about a working man? Well, thanks to Jack Sanders. Thanks to our producer, Bobby Wagner for his work on today's episode, cr. Thank you. So nice to be with you.
- [95:27]
Chris Ryan
Thank you for having me.
- [95:29]
Sean Fennessy
I'd like to say thank you to David lynch for everything that he has contributed to art and the world of movies, because he is a one of one. We will be back next week, the three of us, with our. Our first movie auction of 2025.
- [95:41]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [95:41]
Sean Fennessy
How are you feeling about that?
- [95:43]
Amanda Dobbins
Should we. Can we offer an apology for the Noah Baumbach film that we forgot?
- [95:48]
Sean Fennessy
Well, you could just.
- [95:49]
Amanda Dobbins
You could just try to. I'll try to buy it, but I just. I'd like to apologize to. To Noah Baumbach.
- [95:54]
Sean Fennessy
We made a big mistake in our anticipated movies episode. Did you clock that?
- [95:57]
Chris Ryan
I was in the control room when you guys were talking about Kelly Rikers, and I didn't want to be in there anymore because I didn't want to. I was so upset on behalf of Noah.
- [96:03]
Sean Fennessy
Yeah, you were like, it should be a man on this list and not a woman. Where is Noah Baumbach? Kelly Records contemporary. Yeah, we forgot about J. Kelly, which is the new movie starring George Clooney. And who's the other male lead? There's another huge male lead in the movie. Can't even remember at this point. Is it Adam Sandler?
- [96:18]
Chris Ryan
You know, George Clooney claims he cuts his own hair.
- [96:21]
Amanda Dobbins
Really?
- [96:21]
Chris Ryan
Yeah.
- [96:22]
Amanda Dobbins
I mean, what's the process? Is he using, like, electric.
- [96:25]
Chris Ryan
He says it takes him five minutes and he's been cutting his own hair for 25 years.
- [96:28]
Sean Fennessy
So I wrap this episode up here.
- [96:30]
Amanda Dobbins
Is it. Is it scissors? Is it a. What do they call this?
- [96:33]
Chris Ryan
We'll talk off my back. Thank you, David Lynch.
- [96:37]
Sean Fennessy
Okay, good night. See you guys. Bye.