The Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft. Plus: ‘The Rip.’

Summary

The Big Picture – The Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft. Plus: ‘The Rip.’

Podcast: The Big Picture (The Ringer)
Date: January 19, 2026
Host(s): Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins
Guest: Chris Ryan

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Episode Overview

This lively episode brings together Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins, and Chris Ryan for two main features:

1. A spoiler-rich review and discussion of The Rip, Netflix’s new Matt Damon and Ben Affleck crime thriller, also starring Steven Yeun and Teyana Taylor.
2. A comprehensive Matt Damon & Ben Affleck Movie Draft, with the hosts picking their favorites across various categories.

Along the way, the trio digresses into January movie release history, the changing film landscape, their favorite (and least favorite) moments from the Damon/Affleck filmography, and plenty of on-brand banter about film culture, sports, and fashion.

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Main Topics and Key Discussion Points

1. Is This the Best January for Movies Ever? [00:16–16:45]

• The “Dumpuary” Myth: The hosts debate whether January still deserves its reputation as a dumping ground for unloved studio releases.

  • “Is this the best January of all time?” – Sean Fennessey [01:09]
  • Amanda notes that, for once, the new releases have been both fun and original. “They are meeting our needs and we’re not going to leave this depressed.” [02:32]
  • Recent January highlights include 28 Years Later, The Bone Temple (especially praised), and Primate.
  • Chris Ryan frames January as a “grab bag of, like, ups and downs and curveballs,” embracing the unpredictable dumpuary phenomenon. [15:18]

• Historical January Releases: Sean takes the group through 40 years of January movie history.

  • 1986, 1996, 2006, and 2016 are discussed, touching on movies such as Down and Out in Beverly Hills, Iron Eagle, Biodome, Dunstan Checks In, Hostel, High School Musical, Dirty Grandpa, Jane Got a Gun, and more. [04:09–14:36]
  • The trio recalls personal teenage moviegoing memories (AOL dialup, listservs) and notes how release schedules have shifted over time. [05:53–07:13]

2. Review: The Rip (Netflix) [16:45–38:59]

General Impressions:

• The Rip Overview: Directed by Joe Carnahan, starring Damon, Affleck, Yeun, Taylor, and more. Focused on Miami cops who discover a cache of cash and are enveloped in mistrust and chaos.
  • “It’s an absolute yes for me.” – Amanda Dobbins [17:46]
  • “They’re kind of making the movies that they would like to watch.” – Chris Ryan [18:43]
  • “The script is like a B minus… but there’s a tremendous amount of charisma and style… There’s baked in relationships with so many of the actors.” – Sean Fennessey [19:35]
  • Damon and Affleck’s chemistry, inversion of their roles in Air, and the overqualified cast are highlighted as strengths.

Spoiler Section [22:20+]:

• Plot Breakdowns and Snags

  • The movie’s Miami location, underlying police mistrust, cartel ownership of neighborhoods, and the nature of “the stash house” are discussed at length.
  • The plot is acknowledged as a bit convoluted with loose threads, but the execution is lauded.
  • “Don’t go in looking for the airtightest plot.” – Christopher Ryan [26:09]

• Cast & Performances

  • Sasha Calle as a standout, despite a thinly written role (“lifts another nothing part with presence” – Sean [26:26])
  • Damon and Affleck’s dynamic: “Matt Damon is number one on the call sheet, and it’s interesting Affleck is just kind of, like, cool with being the sidekick.” – Chris Ryan [21:08]

• Genre and Directorial Vibes

  • Film is compared to Assault on Precinct 13, Den of Thieves, and 80s/90s B-movies.
  • “It’s what happens when a B movie gets A stars.” – Sean Fennessey [27:21]
  • Amanda: “The reveal is incredibly obvious from the beginning.” [27:40]
  • Chris suggests the villains were a little too predictable; the group wonders if a darker, more ambiguous approach would have been even more compelling.

Notable Quotes:

• “Ben is just really good in movies like this…comfortable in a B movie that’s got a lot of crime in it.” – Sean Fennessey [31:07]
• “This is a movie about brotherhood.” – Sean Fennessey [30:28]

Thematic Observations:

• The Air/The Rip creative era — Damon and Affleck embracing “the kinds of movies they grew up watching,” making mid-budget, star-driven genre movies for Netflix.
• Artist Equity’s industry impact — attempts to “rebuild the middle class” of Hollywood filmmaking. [37:53]
• Netflix’s B-movie reputation and whether releases like The Rip help reshape it. [38:20]

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3. The Matt Damon & Ben Affleck Movie Draft [39:38–96:22]

Categories:

• Blockbuster ($100M+)
• Oscar Nominee
• Matt and Ben Together
• Directed or Produced By
• Supporting Role
• Wild Card

Reflecting on Their Legacies:

• Amanda: “They are spiritual guides for you…just an interesting, like, business school study of what does it mean to be a movie star in our lifetime.” [39:59]
• Chris: “Matt Damon has, like, one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now.” [41:28]
• “Their current iteration…as guardians of moviemaking.” – Chris Ryan [41:54]

Draft Highlights & Notable Picks:

• Opening Picks:
  • Chris: Good Will Hunting (“This is the number one. That's the number one.” [54:00])
  • Sean: The Town (Directed by Affleck, “just rips” [57:03])
  • Amanda: Gone Girl (“The single best movie made about Ben Affleck.” [58:38])
• Sean’s Favorite: Dogma in ‘Matt and Ben Together’ (“This feels to me like their essence in the 90s.” [63:37])
• Amanda’s Creative Pick: Field of Dreams (cameos by Matt & Ben in Fenway scene) [80:55]
• Genre Balance: Armageddon, Bourne Supremacy, Ocean’s 12, Dazed and Confused, Saving Private Ryan, Rounders, Gone Baby Gone, The Departed, and more all discussed and/or drafted.

Quotes & Moments:

• “Urban…Yes. In Blockbuster, I got The Departed…” – Sean Fennessey, draft summary [96:07]
• “I'm sad that I didn't get The Town…one of the most important cinema [moments].” – Amanda Dobbins [95:37]

Side Tangents & Banter:

• Jeans discourse: Zip fly vs. button fly, vintage vs. new, and Affleck’s denim choices [72:31+]
• Ben Affleck’s beard dye speculation [93:01+]
• Baseball and sports analogies interspersed throughout (“If you take another shot at The Phillies, I’m gonna have a private meeting…” – Chris [09:04])
• Nostalgia for teen moviegoing, Soderbergh collaborations, and favorite directors for Damon/Affleck pairings

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4. Industry & Awards Season Talk [96:22–end]

• Looking ahead to Oscar nominations and discussing possible shocks in the announcement.
• Discussion of what constitutes an “Oscar snub” and the structure of future drafts.
• Conversation about the internationalization of the Academy and how that could impact Best Picture and other races. [98:35]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On “Dumpuary” and January Releases:

  • “Is this the best January of all time?” – Sean Fennessey [01:09]
  • “They are meeting our needs and we’re not going to leave this depressed.” – Amanda Dobbins [02:32]

• On The Rip:

  • “They’re kind of making the movies that they would like to watch.” – Chris Ryan [18:43]
  • “It’s a movie about brotherhood.” – Sean Fennessey [30:28]
  • “This is an absolute yes for me.” – Amanda Dobbins [17:46]

• On Damon & Affleck’s Current Projects:

  • “Rebuilding the middle class…they’re trying to rebuild the middle class, and I respect that.” – Sean Fennessey [37:53]

• On Their Cultural Role:

  • “They love movies, they know movies, they really understand movies, and they love talking about movies. It makes their external personas more interesting…” – Sean Fennessey [42:50]
  • “Matt Damon has, like, one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now.” – Chris Ryan [41:28]

• On The Draft:

  • “This feels to me like their essence in the 90s.” – Sean Fennessey on Dogma [63:37]
  • “The Town just rips.” – Amanda Dobbins [57:26]
  • “Good Will Hunting. You like that film?” – Sean Fennessey [55:02]

• Personal, Tangential, and Lighthearted Moments:

  • “Can I touch them?” [73:26] – Sean asking Chris about his jeans
  • “Will you guys refer to me as the Night Fox going forward?” – Sean Fennessey [70:34]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 0:16–16:45 – ‘Dumpuary’ origins, January movie history, current releases, and genre talk.
• 16:45–38:59 – The Rip (Netflix): Review, spoilers, deep dive into plot, performances, and style.
• 39:38–96:22 – Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft & cultural analysis.
• 96:22–End – Oscar talk, awards season speculation, closing draft recaps, banter about podcast inspiration, and closing notes.

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Tone & Vibe

Breezy, sardonic, and endlessly cinephilic. The discussion alternates between affectionate critiques of the movies, friendly competition, and deep dives into both the industry and pop culture minutiae. The language is casual, punctuated by inside jokes, personal anecdotes, and laughter. The core trio’s chemistry is evident throughout, making for a highly engaging listen for film fans and casual moviegoers alike.

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For New Listeners

This episode captures what sets The Big Picture apart: wide-ranging but thoughtful movie talk, a playful mix of serious and silly, and a love for both the art and industry of film. It’s part movie club, part draft-day drama, part mid-2000s sports radio, with one foot always in the present and the other in nostalgia. If you care about movies or just like hearing smart, funny people go deep on what they love, this is a quintessential entry point.

Transcript

[Sean Fennesy]

I'm Sean Fennesy.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm Amanda Dobbins and this is the.

[Sean Fennesy]

Big Picture, a conversation show about Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and Chris Ryan. Yeah. Who's here today to talk with us about the rip, which is the new film from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck starring together and also to draft movies from their careers.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes. Happy dump. You worry.

[Sean Fennesy]

Thank you. Part one is this dump. Yuri. That's really where I wanted to start this conversation. Spiritually.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's January.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

And in theory this should be the time when the movies that the studios don't believe it are coming out. And yet we've just had 28 years later the Bone Temple, which rocked. And I've just seen the film Primate, which also rocked. And we all enjoyed the rip. Yes. We still have a handful of movies still to come. Sam Raimi, Send help, which we haven't seen yet. We have Charlie XCX and Aiden Zamiri's the Moment.

[Christopher Ryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

There's this. Is this the best January of all time?

[Christopher Ryan]

Do you want January to be, quote, best or good? Like is the point of January supposed to be? This is for sickos. We're going to the movies five times to watch 90 minute genre movies like Night Swim.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, I think it being like a place for original movies, which is what most of these movies are. It being the last bastion of original movies is kind of exciting. So maybe it is for the sickos. I don't know. What do you think?

[Amanda Dobbins]

We normally plan a dump your movie episode and like around the fact that we know this time the schedule is soft people. Studios put things here that they're not really excited about and we think, but we'll have fun and. And then we were. We go see all the movies and they're not that fun. And then we record sort of like a down episode and you kind of like have a breakdown. So this January is what we imagine in our minds when we plan the dump your episode. And we're like, no, no, no. This is for the real ones, for the people who want to get back to basics. Right. You know there. And there is like a very gnarly horror plus movie. And there is. There was a romantic comedy on Netflix that like did not have enough sex. But also romantic people we meet on vacation. Romantic comedies don'. Have. Yeah. So it's. They are meeting our needs and we're not going to leave this depressed.

[Sean Fennesy]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's good, right?

[Sean Fennesy]

It is. It's great.

[Christopher Ryan]

I bet you guys are also feeling a bit of relief. Because it's an antidote to talking about the same three movies 100% for me, endlessly, from every different angle for the awards season. And since the Oscars are in March, I'm sure it's, like, refreshing.

[Sean Fennesy]

Honestly, I think that the Bone Temple really lifted my spirits. Primate, which is this new movie from Johannes Roberts, is just like the most. What you see on the label of the, you know, at the grocery store movie of all time. It's like there's a killer ape. He goes crazy. Cause he gets rabies. And he just starts killing actors you've never seen before. And it's incredibly gory. It's really fun. It's 87 minutes. It has a really good fake John Carpenter score. It's very stylish. Johannes Roberts, who made the Strangers Pray at night and 47 meters down, he makes, like, schlocky good B movies.

[Christopher Ryan]

Jean Colet Serra Jr.

[Sean Fennesy]

Very much. He's kind of in that tradition. And since Colet Serra has kind of graduated to, you know, much bigger movies, it's nice that we have somebody making stuff like that. That, to me, is just like a good version of a dump you already movie. You know, where it's going to make $25 million at the box office. The people who go are going to have a good time. When I saw it, people were literally clapping and laughing in the theater because it's just fun. Yeah. Um, Bone Temple, the Rip, even Send Help and potentially the moment are like. They're real movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

They're not movies that have been dumped somewhere. They are made by famous people. They're part of, like, genuine traditions in movie history. So maybe. Well, I. One thing that I did do is I looked back at the January.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think this is really cool.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I looked back at the Januarys from the last 40 years. So I just looked at 86, 96, 10, 2006 and 2016, just to kind of get a sense this isn't going to be a total history of January at the movies, but we can look at the kind of stuff that came out in 86. Not a ton of notable titles. I guess the most notable is probably down and out in Beverly Hills, Iron.

[Christopher Ryan]

Eagle To a Certain Kind of Gentleman.

[Sean Fennesy]

Iron Eagle is well liked. Sidney Lumet's Power, a movie that I like quite a bit, but is not considered one of his greatest films. And then a lot of stuff you haven't thought about or ever heard of. You know, the Adventures of the American Rabbit, the Adventures of Mark Twain, the Clan of the Cave Bear, the Michael One of Michael Chapman's few movies. He directed Troll My Chauffeur is the.

[Christopher Ryan]

Best of Times, a football movie.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's Kurt Russell and Robin Williams. Yes. Is it like high school?

[Christopher Ryan]

I think it's guys going back to LSU or going back to high school or something. Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

So that wasn't. That's not a great year. There's some interesting, well known figures there, but that's not great. 96. Very resonant in my mind. January 96. One of the weirdest things about it is on the same day three mainstream comedies were released. Biodome, don't be a menace to South Central while drinking your juice in the hood and Dunstan checks in.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, sure.

[Sean Fennesy]

Which are all very, like, burned into my brain movies that I saw in the. I'm pretty sure I saw all three in theaters. And I mean, you were 14 or 13. Thirteen. And I mean biodome at 13.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There you are.

[Sean Fennesy]

It hit. Yeah, of course. What's your favorite Pauly Shore movie?

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm not a huge. I guess Encino.

[Sean Fennesy]

Encino Man. Yeah. It's gotta be Encino Man. Dunstan checks in. It's kind of the primate of its time. Right. It was a monkey who was up to no good. Also that year. John Schlesinger's Eye for an Eye with Sally Field.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Sean Fennesy]

Lawnmower Man 2.

[Christopher Ryan]

Colon Beyond Cyberspace. Say the full name.

[Sean Fennesy]

What is beyond cyberspace?

[Christopher Ryan]

Would you say we're about to find out.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What was the concept of cyberspace in 1996 also?

[Christopher Ryan]

I mean, it was dial up. It was.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did we have dial up in 96?

[Sean Fennesy]

I think so.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

We did. We did.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

I was on the Internet.

[Christopher Ryan]

I had an email account in 1996. I was a part of a. I don't know if I did Pavement listserv.

[Sean Fennesy]

Wow.

[Christopher Ryan]

Where you would, like, write an email and it would get sent to, like, you know, the 50 people in the listserv.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, no, I know.

[Christopher Ryan]

It was like, actually some of my.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Earliest, like my first writing quote unquote job was like a college listserv.

[Christopher Ryan]

Oh, okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I've told this before, but I have a. I literally would boot up and then just spend 14 hours downloading the Reservoir Dog's trailer and just like not letting anybody call my mom's house.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This I remember too. But I thought it was later than 96.

[Sean Fennesy]

And for a while it was around then.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And also, like, for a while I was definitely taking those, like, AOL, like free 10 minutes of AOL, like, CDs.

[Sean Fennesy]

That you would get.

[Amanda Dobbins]

My parents were not actually letting me connect to the Internet. So I was like, no, no, no, no, let me get my one hour and then let me get a new cd.

[Sean Fennesy]

I thought it was like a free hundred hours in every office.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Maybe it was, but like I definitely maxed all of them out.

[Sean Fennesy]

Totally.

[Christopher Ryan]

It would be amazing if some point like George Clooney was trying to call the house to ask your mom out. It was just like Cindy saw you at Gristadi's.

[Sean Fennesy]

Sorry your son went beyond cyberspace. We'll never meet Lawnm 2. Never seen it. Okay, I never seen it. Also that month. Speaking of George Clooney from Dusk till Dawn. Yes, this might be the best movie that was released in all of these January's, but at the time it seems like kind of a classic dump your.

[Christopher Ryan]

Have you seen Screamers?

[Sean Fennesy]

I haven't.

[Christopher Ryan]

Screamers, if I remember correctly, is a sci fi movie about little alien buzz saws in the sand that take people's heads off.

[Sean Fennesy]

Very cool.

[Christopher Ryan]

And I remember it making a huge impact on me as a child, as a young man.

[Sean Fennesy]

Starring Peter Weller.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What? How small were the. Bless us.

[Christopher Ryan]

They're like fist sized, but they're like screaming around in the bushes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But not like grains of sand. No, that would be terrifying.

[Sean Fennesy]

Were they more or less powerful than new Met starting third baseman Boba?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Here we go.

[Christopher Ryan]

We could do it. It's dirty work by you. It's dirty work by you. And it's dirty work by your fucking GMs. That was a handshake agreement of long term stability and financial gain that the Philadelphia Phillies were offering him. Also multiple trips to the playoffs over the years. An institutional kind of trust in greatness.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's shocking because he's white and you would just imagine just him wanting to join the whitest team.

[Christopher Ryan]

He's probably vaccinated against Covid too.

[Sean Fennesy]

We're so happy to have Boba Shet under our.

[Christopher Ryan]

I wish we recorded this like 30 hours ago.

[Sean Fennesy]

I was in a bad place.

[Christopher Ryan]

You're private and so pissed off about Kyle Tucker. As you should be.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I saw that news relatively soon after it happened and like almost texted you. And then I was like, I'm gonna step away from this. I don't know.

[Sean Fennesy]

Jack and I had a very gentle meeting yesterday for 45 minutes that was only about the Mets. And we were just like, could this happen? Is this possible? Bobby? No, no, not Bocha.

[Christopher Ryan]

Kyle Tucker.

[Sean Fennesy]

Like we were. We were getting our hopes up and we were devastated. And now we're back.

[Christopher Ryan]

If you take another shot at The Phillies. I'm gonna have a private meeting with Jeff Chow and threaten to quit unless you get the Dodgers to sponsor the big. And you have to do Dodgers ad reads about the sterling lineup that they've put together.

[Sean Fennesy]

We can't destroy them. We have to try to become them. That's the only way through.

[Christopher Ryan]

No.

[Sean Fennesy]

The only way through right now. We have to live within the rules.

[Christopher Ryan]

Never bend the knee. Her children can. I will never bend the knee.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I just like to say if anyone from the Dodgers organization is listening to this, my child and I would love to attend a game this season. I renounced the Braves and I am also a free agent.

[Sean Fennesy]

I love going to Dodger Stadium, but I can't.

[Christopher Ryan]

I've renounced the Empire. Darth Vader is no longer my favorite player.

[Sean Fennesy]

2006. Anything jump out to you from this stretch? I mean, High School Musical is.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

A little. A little. You know, we're a little old for High School Musical, but generationally flying.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. You guys up on Ashley Tisdale's drama?

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The mom chat. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Megan Trainer says that's not her. Meghan Trainor, megatrinor's husband says it's not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I don't. Respectfully. I don't really think that Meghan Trainor is in like the center of the mom group in question. I've been following them from the other side and from their Instagrams. They've. They've made it pretty clear that she was. She was kicked out for her political. Yeah. And. Well, they haven't said that. And I wouldn't. I'm not going to assume anything, but. Yeah. And then the husband, Hillary Duff's husband did like.

[Christopher Ryan]

Oh, he actual.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. The.

[Sean Fennesy]

How does this stack up relative to me storming out of the fantasy football chat that we had? It's not.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's not dissimilar.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

A man with really out there political and cultural beliefs.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's not what happened 2006.

[Christopher Ryan]

I just want to shout out Hostel.

[Sean Fennesy]

Hostel.

[Christopher Ryan]

When it happened. Very important.

[Sean Fennesy]

It was a very fun movie.

[Christopher Ryan]

Road Decent sports movie.

[Sean Fennesy]

Solid. That was Josh Lucas's big swing. He tried to step up. What do you mean? What's his big swing? That was his attempt to become a big star.

[Christopher Ryan]

Swings than that.

[Sean Fennesy]

Right. Is there a bigger movie from a bigger studio? It's a Disney. Disney sports movie starring Josh Lucas as a basketball coach.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, as we. Yeah, I guess. Right.

[Sean Fennesy]

Tristan and he sold the James Franco film. Did you guys see that?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No.

[Sean Fennesy]

Have you read Tristan and he sold.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Isn't it an opera?

[Sean Fennesy]

I think so, yes. He did not direct it. Right. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

High School Musical is the biggest movie out of all these.

[Sean Fennesy]

What about Big Mama's House, too?

[Christopher Ryan]

I think High School Musical is probably bigger.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Christmas old. The overture is what plays in Melancholia. Oh, yeah. So that's. Yeah. I mean, I think it's probably a story.

[Sean Fennesy]

Definitely myth or. Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But, like, once you get into, like, the Northern European stuff, as we know all their mythology. I don't. I don't follow it.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, you don't know the Norse. You don't know the Norse mythology.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I don't. That's right. That's why I kept being like, so where is Thor right now? And you guys were like, he's obviously on Ragnarok or whatever.

[Sean Fennesy]

He's with Tristan. They're looking for Sold.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I just want to point out that Nanny McPhee is how Emma Thompson got to, like, renovate her kitchen or whatever. And that's important. Good for everyone.

[Sean Fennesy]

Tristan and he Sold is. Is a Celtic romance story from the 12th century.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm sorry to disrespect the Celtic.

[Christopher Ryan]

It was also the story of Tristan. Isolde was apparently what Ridley Scott was gonna do instead of Alien until he saw Star wars and then discussed in Kathy Kennedy's exit interview.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, we can talk about that if you'd like. Sure. I haven't yet had a chance to read it in full. I basically just read Matt Bellany's summary of it.

[Christopher Ryan]

I found it pretty depressing.

[Sean Fennesy]

She presided over a bad time in Star wars history.

[Christopher Ryan]

But even. Even, like her allusions to the forces beyond her control that were keeping certain things. So when she talked about James Mangold and Beau Williman's script, which she said broke the mold and was amazing, but is on hold, and then obviously referenced the Scott Burns Steven Soderbergh Adam Driver.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Movie, what did she say about that?

[Christopher Ryan]

That it was great, but that it's not.

[Sean Fennesy]

Basically, she was not allowed to make that movie. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Because Bob Iger said Palpatine is.

[Sean Fennesy]

Palpatine is back.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Palpatine is back. So the other guy can be back.

[Christopher Ryan]

Right.

[Sean Fennesy]

And as a reaction to that, I'll be naming my firstborn son Kylo.

[Christopher Ryan]

Kylo Bichette.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. This is just a terrible stretch. And it's very obvious to me that she was broken by the backlash to the Last Jedi, and she just completely failed to make any move that was not incredibly safe. And. Or Dave Filoni, she said pretty much explicitly.

[Christopher Ryan]

She's like, the hardest thing is that there is a small percentage of the fans that are the most vocal that restrict our ability to.

[Sean Fennesy]

They don't restrict anything. I'm just saying here's creativity. Do what you feel is the most interesting outcome that can also be successful. That's your job. That's what all executives should do, in my opinion. Okay. 2016. 13 hours. The secret Soldiers of Benghazi. Michael Bay's fearless portrayal of what?

[Christopher Ryan]

Of Benghazi.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. So what happened there?

[Sean Fennesy]

So you starred as Hillary Clinton in that film.

[Christopher Ryan]

Which version of events would you like me to recount?

[Sean Fennesy]

Hillary Clinton not to be seen in 13 hours. Dirty Grandpa 2016. January. Kung Fu Panda 3. That's a pretty big movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

The Finest Hours, starring Chris Pine. Yeah. Underrated, I think.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which one is that?

[Christopher Ryan]

Fifty Shades of Black was the sequel to Fifty Shades of Grey.

[Sean Fennesy]

No, it was the parody starring Marlon Wayans.

[Christopher Ryan]

My bad.

[Sean Fennesy]

So January historically and Jane got a gun.

[Christopher Ryan]

A very infamous kind of behind the scenes.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes. Natalie Portman starring film.

[Christopher Ryan]

Lynne Ramsey directed that, right?

[Sean Fennesy]

No, she was supposed to and got fired. Gavin o' Connor come in to work on it and. Yeah, like a hot script at the time that was then kind of mangled in the making a movie that does not exist. So, yeah, this has been a pretty good January. You want to talk about the rip.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, let me just ask you one more dump you worry question.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

In a perfect world, would Hollywood more evenly distribute the programmers from January across the year to give people more variety at the movies throughout the year? Or do you enjoy the Lollapalooza aspect of the first month is just this grab bag of, like, ups and downs and curveballs?

[Sean Fennesy]

And I mean, at the risk of being insanely positive about movies, February has some really cool stuff too. So it's possible that stuff's evening out right now as more movies just start to come out.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I was gonna say that the rhythms that we have come used to are changing. And I mean, you see that in Best Picture nominees and winners are now kind of released throughout the year. And there are four different horror seasons, except often for October, which is very weird.

[Sean Fennesy]

Good point. Tons of horror movies this season. Exactly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's like every studio is looking for the new window and the new spot and let's try. So it actually is somewhat distributed.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm totally fine with. I wish it would extend to basically the first four to five months of the year. I think that would be a really fun, fertile playground. And then if you want to basically call it what Memorial Day on. It's basically blockbusters going into awards season. I'll accept that.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think it will be this year, three months. Because April 3rd is the super Mario Galaxy movie. And that's kind of when the summer starts, even though it's only April. But prior to that, you know, you've got your Scream sevens and your bone temples, but for the most part, part, it's a lot of, you know, it's Project Hail Mary and it's Wuthering Heights and the Bride and these kind of like exciting Otaurus movies that seem like they've been dumped but might actually be better than we think they are. Thought the new trailer for the Bride was really good, by the way. I don't know if you guys saw that. I did. I'm kind of excited about that movie now, so. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Did you see the poster for Scream 7? There's like 47 people.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, I certainly saw Tim Simons on it. Did you see that?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I followed his instructions and zoomed in.

[Sean Fennesy]

There may be too many people in that movie. We'll see. I will watch it and I'll probably rewatch all the Scream movies before I watch it. And I look forward to that. The rip. Yeah, it's on Netflix right now. This is the new film from Joe Carnahan who has given us some good dump you area esque movies in the past, including the Gray, Smoking Aces, Narc Narc. He wrote and directed. This film stars Damon and Affleck, Steven Yeun, Teyana Taylor, Sasha Calle, Catalina, Sandino Moreno, Scott Adkins, Kyle Chandler, Nestor Carbonell. It's a very overqualified cast.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And not everyone is used equally.

[Sean Fennesy]

I agree with that. It is about a group of Miami cops who discover a stash of millions in cash leading to distrust as outsiders learn about the seizure, making them question who to rely on. Okay, what did you think about this movie?

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's an absolute yes for me. Of course. I had high expectations. This was number 12 on my most anticipated list because you have the reunion of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, which is the reason I go to the movies or watch them on my TV at home. And you also have echoes of Triple Frontier, which is one of the great dumpster movies of years past for this podcast and a great example of the feeling of like nobody else really got this, but like we got it, you know, and like Charlie Hunnam, you know, writing things on a chalkboard and then having a panic attack like in a Publix is meaningful. So. And delivers, you know, it does what it says on the box, like with enough charm and with enough humor. Like everyone, everyone is very competent and Damon and Affleck are having fun. So I, I had a great time.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think we have enough evidence from the Artist Equity movies that these guys have been making together since they reunited with Air that they're kind of making the movies that they would like to watch. And you get that from this. Like you get a tremendous amount. Even though it's a very dark movie, both like in its lighting and its content, you get the, the, the idea that they are really, really enjoying themselves and that this is the kind of movie that they grew up watching. This is the kind of B movie that they kind of sharpen their teeth on. In a different world. They'd be happy to just be making three of these a year. But they're obviously two of the most famous actors we've had in the last 40 years, so they have other responsibilities and other ambitions. But this is just awesome. If anything, it was almost too good for the material or, or there's the inverse of that is like it's too bad for the guys who are in it, right?

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes, I totally agree. The script is like a B minus. It's not a great story. It's kind of familiar, but there's a tremendous amount of charisma and style that is happening around the movie. And you come in with these baked in relationships with so many of the actors and not just Matt and Ben, but Teyana Taylor is now a movie star in our heads, right? So when she shows up, she's given nothing to do in this movie. Nothing at all. But even though she's not giving anything to do, you're kind of like, oh, a scene with Teyana Taylor. Something must be about to happen here.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Excuse me, that's not true. She counts over and over again.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes. Let's just take two very well known actors, Catalina Sandino Moreno, two Academy Award nominee, I think, for Maria Full of Grace. And just like put them in a room and they count money and then that's what they'll do for the entire film. But still it kind of keeps your. It keeps the energy of the movie up by having all these overqualified people. And you know, Carnahan I think can really shoot the hell out of a movie. And there's some, there's a chase sequence in this movie, there's some shoot up sequences, there's a fire sequence, there's some stuff in it that is really well executed. Plus Matt and Ben, their relationship in this movie is very similar to their relationship in Ayer. And I find that fascinating. Except they've inverted the roles. In Ayer, Ben was in charge and Matt worked for him, and Matt needed to make something happen. In this movie, Matt is in charge and Ben works for him, and he doesn't quite trust him in the same way. It's interesting to me.

[Christopher Ryan]

I also find it fascinating that they've kind of settled into this. Like, Matt Damon is number one on the call sheet in these movies, to my eyes, you know, like, I.

[Sean Fennesy]

He's a bigger star.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. But it's interesting that Affleck is just kind of, like, cool with being the.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sidekick in these, you know, and even thriving. I think, like, Last Duel is really when the possibilities of him taking the supporting role and going for it opened up. And, you know, and they were co writers on that with Nicole Holof center, so maybe he's come to an understanding of what he can do, you know, or he's just going back to Chucky.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think that's part of it. And I think the fact that Ben Affleck is so tall and so lantern jawed, but never could quite become the same level of star as Daemon. He's a huge star. It's a. You know, it's a tight race or whatever. Sure. But. But, you know, when we talk about the box office category for the draft, Damon's just got more to pull from. He's just had more and bigger hits. He had a bigger franchise in Bourne all by himself.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think he's had fewer. Smaller dry runs, too.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's true. Yes. Fewer struggles over time. And so, yeah, I think that might be part of it. Is just selling the movie is probably easier if Daemon is in that chieftain role that he is in this movie. The plot itself, I still. I'm not totally sure I grasp all of it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Happy to help you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. Yeah. Let's go spoilers. So this film is available on Netflix. You don't want this, you know, popcorn. Saturday night experience ruined for you. Skip ahead.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Don't DM me.

[Sean Fennesy]

I wouldn't say the reason to watch it is to figure out the plot per se, but. So it's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, it's not. It's not. Not there. There is like the.

[Sean Fennesy]

There's a. Who done it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sequential scene.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

When they're all together and it's. It's like, which one? And the. And the script is baiting. Like, is Affleck the. Is it Daemon? Is it these other. You know, who is the rat?

[Sean Fennesy]

Right. And that wasn't confusing to me at all. Like, the final execution of the Story. It's more like the setup of the story is a little bit confusing. It opens with the murder of a team member for these Miami police officers. And then kind of a series of interrogations around who may have been responsible for that murder. And the feds have come into the investigation.

[Christopher Ryan]

Scott Adkins.

[Sean Fennesy]

Scott Adkins, legendary action star, plays an FBI agent and also Ben Affleck's brother. Yes. And they had a very intense exchange.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is up there with Al Pacino throwing Henry Rollins through a screen door. And he is Ben Affleck going toe to toe with Scott Atkins.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, I really enjoyed that scene. It sets us up for kind of figuring out that there's like, there's distrust within the police department here. And Nestor Carbonell has taken on, I guess he's like the. He's the police captain, the major, and he wants them to get to the bottom of this. Matt Damon's character subsequently gets a tip that there's a stash house and that they need to do crime stopper tip. A crime stopper tip. And so he wrangles the team. Before he wrangles the team, he tells them all different numbers for how much is in the stash house. And while you're watching it, you immediately know, okay, this is a setup of some kind. Who's responsible for the setup? We don't know. Why is Damon sharing different information with different police officers? He's trying to draw someone out. Obviously they go to the stash house. Now here's the thing that I didn't totally grasp.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Sean Fennesy]

Why is that neighborhood empty that they go to?

[Christopher Ryan]

The cartel owns all the buildings.

[Sean Fennesy]

They own all the buildings and they're using those buildings to store money.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think that they just. It's the indication is that those are cartel owned homes and that no one. There's not a lot of activity there. There may be people in those houses, like lookouts and stuff.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

But that and that cul de sac, it's all.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think that was really the major. That I couldn't figure out. What are they using this entire city Culdesac for?

[Christopher Ryan]

I think for pickups and drop offs and stuff.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay. Yeah, just the place where they can do business.

[Christopher Ryan]

And also.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And. And then they also it's implied that they own those local cops, the highways, so that it's. It's a business district.

[Sean Fennesy]

Got it. Okay, interesting. So it's just kind of like the food court for the cartel.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, I think actually one of the cool things about is that something that happens.

[Sean Fennesy]

If it is, I Believe it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, I think one of the neat things is, like, Miami not dissimilar to Los Angeles, is you throw a blanket over Miami, but then there's lots of little counties within and there's like, Broward and Dade, and then there's like, different law enforcement agencies running different parts of the city, but that the city is itself pretty porous. So those guys cross into, like, they know as soon as they go to high late, like, we're on somebody else's turf.

[Sean Fennesy]

Did this district go for Gore or Bush in 2000?

[Christopher Ryan]

I think that they were a bellwether district for Bush.

[Sean Fennesy]

And so then.

[Christopher Ryan]

Although I don't know, because the cartel. Very helpful in this movie.

[Sean Fennesy]

I had some questions about that, too.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure.

[Sean Fennesy]

Very loose with information as well.

[Christopher Ryan]

Doing FaceTimes. Hey, it's me. I run the Sinaloa cartel.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You had mentioned what happened to that guy.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think it was just like, not.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The guy on the phone, the other guy.

[Christopher Ryan]

I don't know.

[Sean Fennesy]

He just kind of some loose ends in the film. Just don't go in looking for the airtightest plot.

[Christopher Ryan]

Okay. Yeah, so go ahead.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, so then essentially they get into the house and they discover that there's a tremendous amount of money. There's a woman also in that home, played by Sasha Calle, last seen as Supergirl in the Flash. Best part of the Flash. And now there's another Supergirl movie coming out. And I'm like, why is she not just Supergirl?

[Christopher Ryan]

She's awesome.

[Sean Fennesy]

She's really, really good. And lifts another nothing part with a tremendous, tremendous amount of presence. And she becomes this kind of counterweight to Damon's character where she has information, but we don't know how much information she has. And she's also presenting a false front. She's sort of protecting what's inside of this house, which is her grandmother's house. And it's weird because, like, it's a. It's a single location movie in a lot of ways.

[Christopher Ryan]

It should have just been assault on Precinct 13. Like, I. I really like this. So I'm not. I'm nitpicking at something I liked. This kind of movie should have been James Badge, Dale and pick another actor and Scott Atkins.

[Sean Fennesy]

Those are the two leads.

[Christopher Ryan]

Can't really tell who's good and who's bad. And it's got basically one location, and they're trapped in this house. Who was going to come get them first? The cops of the cartel. How did they get out? And instead it kind of expands to like a larger Miami chase.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, it's what happens when a B movie gets a stars. And I'm not. I'm not opposed to that. I really like it. The 80s and 90s were full of movies like this. Black Rain, Internal Affairs. Like they've all been on the rewatchables. There's a long history of it. I think it's really fun when you get this kind of thing. It is slight. You know, you get to the end of it and you're like, cool. It's fun.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The reveal is incredibly obvious from the beginning.

[Sean Fennesy]

So obvious. Well, it's just like, why is this actor in the movie?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, and we've. Netflix has already done this with another straight to Netflix action comedy Star starring two of my favor people. Jamie. Yeah. Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes. Right.

[Christopher Ryan]

So it's like back in action.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. Come on, we gotta. We gotta not. We gotta figure this. But that's okay. And. And also, you know, to your point about the. The plot not being bulletproof, I don't really understand how it all got. Got totally pulled off or what even his plan was. But that's okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

What Kyle Chandler's plan was.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think the idea was that probably wind up killing everybody. Everybody taking the money. And that Steven Yeun was gonna facilitate that. Nice job taking two of America's boyfriends and making them the heavies. I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about this film in particular, but the Artist Equity movies that they've been making over the last couple years in general, and the way that these guys are servicing their public image with these movies rather than challenging that public image. Because there's another version of this movie, not necessarily the one I want, that's a lot more 70s and maybe one of Matt and Ben are the bad guy in this. And that would be pretty interesting to watch the two of them face off in that regard.

[Sean Fennesy]

I agree.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is much more of a testament to their chemistry and friendship than it is about, like, what if they were adversaries?

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, I will say the movie works because I believed it was possible that they were going to face off. Yes, they did pull that punch at the end of the movie. But I was excited by the idea of Chucky and Will having a showdown.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, me too. But the film ends with this sort of like these are the last two.

[Sean Fennesy]

The last couple from Netflix in 2026.

[Christopher Ryan]

But like, rather than why are they.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sitting on a beach just like watching who is that little bitch with the dogs? And you guys also aren't at that beach. Like, I Can tell you that the shot of the sunset is very.

[Sean Fennesy]

We're just, we're in this. Chris. I was talking to Chris about this this morning. We're in this extremely vivid post Heat generation of movies where everyone now who loves movies, from the highest art house to the lowest dingy D grade crime movie, I love TV as well, is obsessed with Heat. Everybody is like Heat. And obviously Chris and Bill have done tremendous work in supporting that Legacy. You're like, legacy. You know, we've all seen Heat. It's fucking amazing. It's a five star classic. Everyone agrees and now they can't help but get the Heat out into the world. Like this movie doesn't have to have anything to do with Heat. But the sitting on the beach looking out at the water is the most Michael Mann shit of all time.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes, but the most Michael Mann shit of all time would be one guy makes it to the water.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's true. That would have been the one way to pivot.

[Christopher Ryan]

I mean, you can't do Heat without having to make some hard decisions.

[Sean Fennesy]

But this is a movie about brotherhood. It's not a. It's not just Scott Adkins and Ben Affleck, but Ben Affleck and Matt Damon and you know, it's a fun movie. Yes, it is. I had a great time for a movie on Netflix in January. It's an A.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

So shout out.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Robert didn't know that you could train. Is that a basset hound? That's.

[Christopher Ryan]

I had no idea units were coming in all those different sizes and forms.

[Sean Fennesy]

Is it a thing? Did you look it up?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't, but I mean, and they did also, like there was a moment where you didn't think Wilbur was going to make it. And I was very. I was stressed out about that. So I was connected to Wilbur.

[Christopher Ryan]

A lot of good dialogue, a lot of good. A lot of good cop talk.

[Sean Fennesy]

Ben is just really good in movies like this. He just, he's really, really comfortable in a, in a B movie that's got a lot of crime in it. Like, obviously he made the town. He knows how to be what his energy is. Damon was interesting.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think he's got a tough part because he has to withhold a lot of information and he's kind of of the mechanic of a scheme.

[Christopher Ryan]

But when they first, when they first get to Sasha Calle's house and they first start interrogating her and going through that, like, Damon has like a 25 minute run where he's basically like slightly bad guy version of the Martian. Guy and he's like, here's how we're gonna do this. I need all your phones. I need you to go over here, I need you to go over there. And you're like, what's happening, man? Like, and he is conducting the orchestra in that sense. Like, he is just really, he is really able to control the center of a movie, unlike very, very few other actors.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And also when he goes out on the street with Steven Yeun and you're like, I don't know what's gonna happen here. When they are fainting towards him being departed Matt Damon, you're like, I could see this.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes, it's a great point. That's a really effective scene. Cause you don't know which direction it's gonna go. And to your point about Internet boyfriends, Steven Yeun is just such a gent, like a genial likable movie presence that you could never think that he would be the one responsible. Even though it's pretty clear from the way the story's playing out that he's doing something wrong. I have a question for you. So, you know I've had some facial hair for the last six months.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes, I did they all, and like, they all have it.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's kind of an epidemic. And I'm watching the movie and I'm looking at Matt Damon's facial hair and he's letting it gray, you know, and he's not dying.

[Christopher Ryan]

Odysseus, I thought he was like, either on his way, oh, maybe to doing the Odyssey or coming off the Odyssey.

[Sean Fennesy]

If you look at any movie starring a guy 45 plus now, this is kind of acceptable. Yes. And I'm wondering about, like, I'm wondering what even inside of me was like, you should just let that happen. And I feel like a lot of the stars now are very comfortably just kind of looking that like, half manicured, half haggard facial hair look.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

What do you make of it? What's it about?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I, I, I have to say I do not understand men in their beards. Like, it's, and I don't. It seems like a real hassle. It seems itchy, it seems uncomfortable.

[Christopher Ryan]

It itches.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't, it doesn't. Not for me, it doesn't. I mean, that's great, but it's, it's not. If I were a man, I wouldn't wear one. It's not my preferred aesthetic. I think it's nicer when you hate yourself though.

[Sean Fennesy]

Would you then do it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is that what it is? This is what I'm saying. Like so it's.

[Sean Fennesy]

But does Matt Damon hate himself? Like, why did he let himself have that facial hair?

[Christopher Ryan]

It looks like a Cops.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't know.

[Christopher Ryan]

He's not going home.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Maybe it's softening the jawline. You know, as thing as you age, things get, you know, much more jowly, and people are really very into the.

[Christopher Ryan]

He's never been thinner. He said so for.

[Sean Fennesy]

For the odds.

[Christopher Ryan]

I mean, Owen got him down to 165.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. But that doesn't mean that everything is still, like, tight, you know, and you get, like, the jowls, you know, zeppic face. Look it up.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't. I can't think immediately of another example, but in a lot of movies this year, you know, like, Austin Butler has facial hair. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

When you rapidly lose a lot of weight, then the skin is looser.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, wow.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Any.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Anywhere.

[Sean Fennesy]

Don't. Don't go losing a lot of weight right now.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. I mean, also, never have a child because once it, like, it stretches out and then it goes away and that. You can't get that back.

[Sean Fennesy]

Pro tip for you to not have a child if you can help it, do not get pregnant.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Also could be covering up plastic surgery. Just gonna throw that in on the last one. I don't think that that's true. I don't think so either. I don't think that's true. But that's like another.

[Sean Fennesy]

Damon, specifically has never given me the vibe that he's had work done. Doesn't seem like it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Are you surprised that these are the kinds of movies these guys are making?

[Sean Fennesy]

I like it a lot. It makes me feel like it's the 90s. And those guys love the 90s. They're linchpins of the 90s. And even a movie like Air just feels from a different time. And the fact that they sought out that script and wanted to make that script, I think is great. You know, I don't know where it fits into the hierarchy of Hollywood, obviously. Like, I believe in their mission of having the money kind of streamed down to all the people who worked on the project. I think that's very cool. And there's been a lot of writing and a lot of interviews with them about that and the times and Deadline. You can read those interviews. So I very much believe in that. That structure that they're building. The kinds of movies that they're making are real tweeners.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

And I don't know if you can actually functionally make a business out of this without streamers. And they've Been using streamers to buttress this business. This movie in particular is unusual because they got Netflix to pay them in success as opposed to pay them a flat fee. Right. That's fascinating that they were able to do that. Bellabugaria had to go into the New York Times and talk about how we did it here, but we're not doing it again. You know, our model is our model, but we did it because it's Matt and Ben effectively. But that's an indication that they, because of their force of personality and success, they can bend the system.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, I think the next one is also for Netflix. That's Animals, which is the kind of high and low style kidnapping drama that were. Ben Affleck plays like a mayoral candidate or something.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't think that that movie got the money and success.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm just saying. You're right. Like they're. They're essentially using streamers as drive in movie theaters or something. And I. When this first started and they first started talking about doing this company, there's another version of this where it's like, we just want to make sure Andrew Dominic has $60 million.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Christopher Ryan]

And. And all the time he needs to make Assassination of Jesse James again or whatever. And instead they're like, no. Like, we kind of know how to make this kind of movie really well. And we're gonna crank them out a little bit in between Matt being in Nolan movies and Ben maybe prepping, like a directorial effort.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, I think he directed Animals.

[Christopher Ryan]

That's right. He did, yeah. And I think he's also, like, attached to, like, the Witness for the prosecution remake that they're talking about doing. So in any case.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, he's so perfect for that. For the Tyrone Power part. Oh, man, that would be great.

[Christopher Ryan]

I just think it's a really fascinating kind of idea just to be like, what people want from us is Instigators, the rip Animals rather than Goodwill Hunting, but middle aged.

[Sean Fennesy]

Or it might just be because they're saleable, because they're $75 million movies and not $200 million movies. You know, the other thing too is like, in 1997, Joe Carnahan would never struggle to get a movie made because he'd already made a few movies that were really good, and he would be able to make movies till he was 75 years old. His last two movies are cop Shop and Game over or Boss Level, which are like streaming movies effectively, you know, and they're not bad. Cop Shop's kind of entertaining, the Gerard Butler movie. But you Know, if you made the Gray, you'd be able to make movies for a long time. And so I do think that they're doing something with kind of like they're trying to rebuild the middle class, and I respect that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And they're also. They're like, reading the market effectively. They are smart guys. You know, there's like the viral clip of Damon being like, what happened to Hollywood Is the DVD business went away. And then. So I do think that they just saw, okay, there are no middles. And there are streamers that will pay for it at this amount. And what most of the streamers are missing is, like, quality of any kind. So we can do it a little bit better and they'll pay more for it. So who knows if it'll be a model that works in five years. But they're savvy.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's a really good point. And I feel like the Netflix quality conversation is often oriented around the fact that it's either like, this film is either Roma or the Irishman or the worst movie ever made. Like, there's just. No. There's so few B or B plus movies that they've made over the years for whatever reason. Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's like you either use the Virgin river set or you've made. You've made ro.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's just. It's a very strange thing. And, you know, that's obviously being dramatic and it's not A. There are tons of B movies that they've made that. That I enjoy watching, but that is the reputation that the studio has. And so this kind of begins to reshape that a bit. So it's beneficial for them, too.

[Christopher Ryan]

I was looking at. Somebody had put together like a sort of panel of like. Like all these straight to prime video action movies that are often like. Like, it's like Dave Bautista and Jason Momoa and it's like two guys who are actually long separated brothers, but are also the greatest killers in the world.

[Sean Fennesy]

Bottom of the barrel of the Wink action era.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, Yeah. I hope, I hope, I hope we're turning somewhere. We're getting into, like.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's a really good point. This is another movie that's not. It's not super ironic or jokey or there's not a lot of one liners. Like, the conversations are like the way that cops shit talk each other, not like turning to the audience like argyle, you know. Okay. Should we draft?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, sure. You made some interesting choices here, category wise.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, I have a couple of questions for you about what I put, because what I tried to do is mirror our George Clooney and Brad Pitt draft in a way, in terms of the categories, but that might not be as effective or it might make the game more interesting. Before we do that, I mean, is there anything you want to say about Damon and Affleck, what they mean to the movies? Obviously they are spiritual guides for you, Amanda.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. And as you said, they're 90s guys. They came up in the 90s. As we were starting to log onto movies, I've talked a lot about how both Good Will Hunting and their Oscar speech were points to me of being like, I'm paying attention now. There are people who seem to like the same things, like, I like about movies, but they're younger and they have a. Like an interesting. In old Hollywood. But, you know, they're smarter, but they like to have fun. So. But I do think they're also really interesting case studies because they did come up together and they're like two actors who experienced a lot of fame and success very early on. And then what are the choices do you make and what do you do with that? And, you know, I think some of those choices were made for them by the media or by the interest. And I'm of course talking about Ben Affleck, but, you know, Daemon goes like the pure director's route and figures out, like a non superhero franchise. Affleck goes to Michael Bayland, then goes to Jennifer Lopez, lan then starts directing. You know, like the ups and downs and where they are and they haven't. I think that, like, traditional narrative would be like, oh, Daemon, you know, easily outstripped him. And maybe in terms of quality of films, yes, but like, they've been up and down, you know, throughout the 30 years.

[Christopher Ryan]

So it's.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's just an interesting, like, business school study of what does it mean to be a movie star in our lifetime.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think Matt Damon has, like, one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now. I got into a fight with Bill about Brad Pitt versus Matt Damon when we were talking about F1A fight. It was just an argument about, like, who's a bigger star. And I was like, I actually think Matt Damon has more bigger movies. In a way.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think Brad Pitt is more famous. Yes. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But it's for similar reasons.

[Christopher Ryan]

I agree with everything that Manda said, and I'll just highlight. I find their current iteration of like, how they're relating to the world and the business to be basically like this really cool extension of almost like the character that William Goldman inhabits. And adventures in the screen trade, where they're both really charming, articulate guardians of. Of movie making.

[Sean Fennesy]

Their ambassadors. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

And so whether you're watching Damon on Conan or Damon talking to Michael B. Jordan recently about all the technical aspects of playing Smoke and Stack, or, you know, Affleck talking to Fincher about Mank.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know, Affleck explaining cameras to Jennifer.

[Sean Fennesy]

Lopez, it's just like, yeah, listen to Affleck interview Josh Safdie about Marty Supreme. Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And it's like, on the Criterion Closet.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, exactly. And so Affleck picking Menace to Society over Boyz N the Hood. Like, they're just really.

[Sean Fennesy]

They love movies, they know movies, they really understand movies, and they love talking about movies. So it makes their external Personas just kind of more interesting than, like, George Clooney, you know, like, George Clooney is a good star, and he's made some really good movies. It's been a rough 20 years for George Clooney, honestly, but he's just not as interesting. He's more interesting talking about the world than he is talking about Hollywood and films. And he doesn't have that same, like, cinephilic thing that Damon.

[Christopher Ryan]

I also don't think. I. I don't know. I. I wouldn't actually want to disparage him by saying this, but, like, I was gonna say something along the lines of, like, I think George Clooney stopped challenging himself by working with directors that might push him in different directions. Whereas I think Matt Damon does that pretty routinely and also plays around a lot with, like, the role he has in Interstellar is quite dangerous for a guy who's like, I am the hero.

[Sean Fennesy]

Totally agree.

[Christopher Ryan]

I don't want anybody to ever doubt that I am the good guy in this movie.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes. Which is part of why that's, in my opinion, the most effective part of that movie. It is the most surprising thing in the movie. Yeah. I mean, I'm a big fan of theirs. I think they both have fascinating taste. I think the way that you described it is dead on. However, Affleck does also have a Best Picture winner under his belt as a filmmaker. So they. They're kind of neck and neck in this perverse way, if you wanted to pit them against each other somehow. And I think also their friendship, I find very charming. The fact that they stuck it out and have not been broken by what is genuinely a nasty business where people are trying to pit you against each other all the time. The fact that they have each other's backs and they built this company in the aftermath of their success is very cool.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Ben Affleck was the only celebrity who got to visit the set of the Odyssey.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, that's cool.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It was, like, pretty much. According to him, it was like, a pretty close set. And then he got to show up, just. Ben, that's beautiful.

[Sean Fennesy]

You weren't invited after all that pre work you did, all that elbow grease on Blue Thunder and everything.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm sure you'll get your premiere invite any day.

[Sean Fennesy]

You think so? Yeah. You think Chris will call me personally? Okay, well, let's talk about the categories before we set the draft order. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So as you don't like the categories.

[Christopher Ryan]

No, I just said that they were different.

[Sean Fennesy]

As with Clooney, Pitt. Here's what we did. We did blockbuster, $100 million or more at the box office. Oscar nominee Matt and Ben together, directed or produced by supporting role and wild card. Now, the one question I have for you guys is Oscar nominee.

[Christopher Ryan]

So does it have to be in their name, or is it a movie that they were in?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think that we can do it, but we have to respect it. No, I don't. I. I don't even think that you can do it without breaking it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, but if you just have to be like, if somebody picks one of these movies in another category, then that takes one of, like, three.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's correct.

[Christopher Ryan]

Out of this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

So we could extend this category to mean any movie that they were in that was nominated for an Academy Award, which is something that we do in other drafts in the year draft. Or we could say this is a movie that only has six potential candidates.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Then let's widen it so that we can get more movies in.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, I'm fine with that.

[Christopher Ryan]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't. You know, we don't have Kill each other.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't do that work, so it'll kind of be on the fly.

[Sean Fennesy]

I didn't either. So we'll be doing it together.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

You did do that because you were afraid and you were gonna lobby for this. I know you so well, it's fucking insane how well I know you. As I was doing this last night, I was like, I know what CR is gonna say. He's gonna be like, this category is too tough. It's gonna fuck up the game. I need. We need to widen it so that I can take Interstellar here or whatever.

[Christopher Ryan]

I didn't even have Interstellar in my top five for Oscars.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, you want to read your top five right now? No. How do you feel about the drafts?

[Christopher Ryan]

I feel great about them. Aren't they an excuse for us to just chew the fat?

[Sean Fennesy]

They are, you know, they are. How do you feel about them? You've done quite a few these days.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I look forward to seeing Christopher Ryan.

[Sean Fennesy]

You know, that's nice. You never see him outside of this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Honestly, he was traveling for a long time. I see him, you know, is there a way to keep him in Los Angeles for an extended period of time? So it's really nice. You know, what I will also say is that I do we have the smaller table now. And I thought a lot about how now I like. I can, like, push you and when.

[Christopher Ryan]

You use the roller.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I know. And I watched the video back just to see that you actually did, like, sale slightly, which I really. Which I really enjoyed. So I like that element of it now in 2026.

[Sean Fennesy]

I like them too.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, good.

[Sean Fennesy]

I have a lot of ideas for them. We're not stopping.

[Christopher Ryan]

Oh, good. Because I thought for a second you were like, we're sundowning this.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. We got two weeks off, and I came up with a. With a lot of stuff. I'm pretty excited. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Where do your best ideas strike you? Like, what time of day? Where are you? And you're like, no, we gotta do the.

[Sean Fennesy]

As you know, I have a very annoying schedule where when I'm not recording, I have nine zooms planned. And so if I can get a day with no meetings, I can come up with a lot of shit.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But so you're in front of the laptop. It's not just, like, walking around. You're not at the playground.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's either that or furiously masturbating.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know what?

[Christopher Ryan]

No, it's Boguchette's slash line. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, my God.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, the problem that I have. I'm glad you asked this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm no longer glad I asked you.

[Sean Fennesy]

Whenever there's dead time, like when I'm driving, for example, I had a long drive yesterday. I drove all the way to Culver and all the way back.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, you did end up going.

[Sean Fennesy]

I did. I went to go see crime 101. Yeah. And it was a long drive there and a long drive back, and I just listened to pods the whole time. So I'm not actively thinking about anything. I'm listening, and I fill a lot of my dead start with. It's hard.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's like in modern life, the input's never off, you know?

[Sean Fennesy]

That's very true. And I'm very susceptible to additional inputs wherever I can find them, as opposed to just sitting Quietly with my thoughts. Yeah. But when focused on the show, it's not that hard. I love doing the show.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I do, too. I was just wondering if there's a place where inspiration strikes, you know? You were on a plane recently, was wondering if Plane Sean got activated.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. That's a very powerful force.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I know.

[Sean Fennesy]

Don't unleash.

[Christopher Ryan]

Was that a good flight for you to New York?

[Sean Fennesy]

Productive the way home? Yeah, it was very productive, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I heard a lot from you on the way home.

[Sean Fennesy]

Did you?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was like, yeah. And I was like, sir, it is Saturday morning and I am in charge of two. Two children.

[Christopher Ryan]

I got a lot of ideas.

[Sean Fennesy]

I just got a lot of ideas.

[Christopher Ryan]

I wish you guys. It'd be cool if you got her a pager and you would be like, Star911.

[Sean Fennesy]

Call me back immediately. I have a draft idea.

[Christopher Ryan]

Call me back immediately. Go see Primate.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

How's Troy Kotzer in Primate?

[Sean Fennesy]

It's just the funniest damn thing you've ever seen. Academy Award winning actor, recently seen in.

[Christopher Ryan]

Black Rabbit with Jason Bateman and Julie.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, was he okay? This is the first time I've seen him since Coda and the film. Because he's deaf. The film cuts out sound whenever he appears. There's one moment in particular where there's a violent ape encounter happening in the other room and he can't hear it and he's just like, doo, doo, doo, like, cleaning up his kitchen. His performance is fine.

[Christopher Ryan]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

He is on the sending end of one of the dumbest text exchanges in movie history, which I encourage people to check out when they see it, where he's corresponding with a veterinarian or actually, no, a DNA specialist around veterinary science where he's questioning their expertise.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't think that you're watching enough new romantic comedies to weigh in on the dumbest text exchange.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's probably true.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Somatic history. But you can do this. Like asterisks, you know, Animal attack division.

[Sean Fennesy]

I. I take your people, we meet on vacation and raise you a primate. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Christopher Ryan]

You know what I'll say? For achievement in text messaging on screen, Heater rivalry is excellent with that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

Because they'll be texting and then they do, like, Scorsese push up shots. You know, let's do it.

[Sean Fennesy]

Let's cut back to Wednesday night. I got home, had to go pick up my credit card somewhere. Walked in the house. It's a long story. Walked in the house.

[Christopher Ryan]

Did you close out a bar? And you forgot my Card.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'll tell you right now what happened. I left my credit card in the bar in New York when I was in New York. Because, man, who doesn't go to bars anymore.

[Christopher Ryan]

For seven years, you do something really fucking stupid.

[Sean Fennesy]

Really stupid. Fortunately, I was there with David Sims and Griffin Newman. And Griffin just so happened to be coming to Los Angeles. That's nice. So he picked up the credit card, brought it to me. I went and met him on Wednesday. It was very nice.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Thank you.

[Sean Fennesy]

Griffin got to see him and some friends and I came home and I came home and Eileen is watching Heated rivalry. And I walked in what episode she was on episode three and she paused it. And the first thing she said to me was, chris likes this. And then she went on to tell me about the extraordinary amount of gay sex in the TV show. I haven't seen. Yeah, I haven't seen it.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm down for anybody who wants to get after it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm going to try it this weekend. People listening to this, I'll have already hopefully tried it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Post Martin Luther King. You'll update the fan base. I hope Eileen enjoys it.

[Sean Fennesy]

She seemed to be enjoying it. Yeah, I haven't checked it out. Let's get the draft order from Jack. Jack, Matt and Ben, you in? Sure.

[Christopher Ryan]

I almost want to come back and check on this.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

Your fucking Mets hat back there and your glib smile.

[Sean Fennesy]

You know, this morning I put on David Wright Shea Stadium edition jersey and.

[Christopher Ryan]

My girlfriend looked at me and she.

[Sean Fennesy]

Said, they just signed a player, Jack. Like, just relax. So I took it off just wearing the hat. You know what it is? Here's what happened.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's also like, if you'd had to get dressed last night, you would have lit everything on fire instead.

[Sean Fennesy]

Like, that is very true.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's just the wild ups and downs.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think you didn't even want him.

[Sean Fennesy]

But the thing that. The thing is that this. We spent this whole offseason feeling like. Like they don't care about us. They're trying to reset. They're going to play the kids. This is a slap in the face. They let players we love walk. You would not do this deal if you weren't going for it. It would make no sense. So it. It there. They showed us that they're going for it, and I appreciate it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But, like, didn't they lose the guy they really needed? So aren't they only half going for it?

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't think.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I read that. So they offered 50 million a year and then he ultimately signed for 60 million. A year doesn't correct.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, they offered 60 for the first two years. They offered 55 average annual.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, he doesn't have 20 extra million.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't think that's really what it was.

[Christopher Ryan]

It was like Kyle Tucker just wants to be able to go be a free agent. Not Kyle Tucker. Boba Shet wants to be able to be a free agent again. Well, he also wants to be able to be a free agent again because he has the two and three opt outs.

[Sean Fennesy]

There were opt outs also in the Mets deal and the Mets were paying a bigger signing bonus and there were no deferrals. So it was a better deal for to sign with the Matt. That would have been Kyle Tucker's like, I'm a coward and I want to sign with the Dodgers. I want to win because I'm a coward. That's really what that's about. So fuck him, okay? We don't need him.

[Christopher Ryan]

And if the Dodgers are listening, Sean is also available.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't give a shit. What are we like caping for the Dodgers because we live in la?

[Christopher Ryan]

No, they're going to ruin the sport.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, what's the order? Chris first, Sean second, Amanda third.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, kind of got here, but what are you gonna do?

[Sean Fennesy]

Is there in your mind a clear number one?

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, especially if we'd kept the Oscar nominations in the traditionalist way, then the.

[Sean Fennesy]

Answer would be yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

And I will actually, in honor of that philosophy, do the same thing I would have done anyway. I mean, say goodwill hunting. Okay, Oscar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I do feel that this is the number one. That's the number one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, of course.

[Sean Fennesy]

Course. This is the fourth consecutive time you've gotten the number one overall pick.

[Christopher Ryan]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think it is.

[Christopher Ryan]

No, it's not. And I didn't.

[Amanda Dobbins]

This is definitely the second time in a row that I'm on the turn at a time when it matters.

[Christopher Ryan]

Next time this happens, if I'm first and somebody else has the turn, I'll take the turn. I love the turn.

[Sean Fennesy]

I feel like you had first in New York.

[Christopher Ryan]

Did I?

[Sean Fennesy]

I think so, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Die Hard with a V. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

That was, if anything showed the discrepancy, the disconnect between the liberal elites and the real people listening to this show. It was that. It was you guys being like, dial with a vengeance. Are you fucking crazy? All the people were like.

[Sean Fennesy]

So the insinuation there is that two liberal elites host the show and yet all regular people listen to the show. How could that possibly be?

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, I mean, I just don't think they have enough options, you know?

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, that's the issue. That is also something Eileen once said where she was just like, why is no one competing with your podcast? It's obviously not true. She just doesn't know the entire landscape of movie podcasting. Good Will Hunting. You like that film?

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, love it. We did pretty good rewatchables for it in Boston with Rossillo and Bill.

[Sean Fennesy]

A lot of fun.

[Christopher Ryan]

Great Resolo story about Bunker Hill College.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes, that's right.

[Christopher Ryan]

And yeah, it was.

[Sean Fennesy]

This is.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is. This is where it all began.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Same.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, actually where it all began. And it's always delightful to hear their stories about these guys going out for Dead Poets Society, these guys going out for different movies like coming up. And so they. They were trying to get into.

[Sean Fennesy]

To.

[Christopher Ryan]

To films before this and obviously wrote themselves into Hollywood history.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Where are you on the William Goldman conspiracy theories?

[Christopher Ryan]

I don't believe it.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think at this point it's probably like Goldman and Reiner both had some suggestions and they followed them.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, I mean, I agree as well.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think just saying the CIA plot out of this or whatever is a good idea.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's still strange to me, though, that there's not another movie that's just the two of them that they wrote that is like a character drama. Like that is something that we do need in Hollywood is guys and women, obviously, but these two guys specifically doing. We need some women.

[Christopher Ryan]

Women may also speak to one another.

[Sean Fennesy]

They're allowed to if they want to. I wish they would write another movie that was. It doesn't have to be Good Will Hunting two Hunting Season. You know, it needs to be something else. But I would like to see.

[Christopher Ryan]

That was the last dual Nicole Hof Center's script that they also wrote on. Or was it their script?

[Sean Fennesy]

I think it was the opposite.

[Christopher Ryan]

They had her come in and do it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, they had her come in.

[Sean Fennesy]

They brought her in for her perspective.

[Amanda Dobbins]

A woman. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

And it was the better for it.

[Sean Fennesy]

Do you feel that you're a woke movie watcher?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, my God.

[Christopher Ryan]

In what sense?

[Sean Fennesy]

Like, are you thinking about what's the diversity of this storytelling?

[Christopher Ryan]

No, I'm just thinking about whether it's true. It feels.

[Sean Fennesy]

Whether it feels true.

[Christopher Ryan]

Feels true.

[Sean Fennesy]

Not if it's a true story. Yeah. What about you? Afraid to answer.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You have a pick.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, I'm gonna go with directed or produced by and take the town. Fuck.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, it's what I would have done too. So, I mean, that's the best thing. This is How I got fucked.

[Sean Fennesy]

That they have directed or produced. Fuck. There's plenty of good movies for that category.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I know, but I wanted one of those, too.

[Christopher Ryan]

And you don't think executive producer counts, right?

[Sean Fennesy]

This is not. No, it's gotta be. You gotta have a hand in actually making that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

The Lindas want you to open the door. Just this movie rips.

[Sean Fennesy]

We also showed the Town when we were in Boston for that rewatchables at the Coolidge corner. And we stayed. Did we stay for the whole movie?

[Christopher Ryan]

We stayed for a lot of it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I feel like I rewatched it the other night and I was like, oh, I'll be fine. And then they do the second. The. Like, North Boston, where they get caught. The nuns. Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, I'll just, like, watch this, and then I'll turn it off. And then, you know, it just, like, keeps going. And then, like, they're starting Fenway, and it's like, well, I can't.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's very involving. Even after a hundred times, it's very involving.

[Christopher Ryan]

Apostle Waits, Fergie, late breaking rewatchables character.

[Sean Fennesy]

He's coming in this year.

[Christopher Ryan]

He's making some appearances.

[Sean Fennesy]

And what did he do to his mother?

[Christopher Ryan]

He gave her a little taste. Gave her a little taste.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. I love this movie.

[Christopher Ryan]

I like our daddy the Chemical Way.

[Sean Fennesy]

This category might actually be a little harder than Oscar nominee. So this is why I put it here. Yeah, the Town's great. I think his other movies that he's directed are good, except for Live by Night, which I think is very strange. And we can talk about that if it ends up getting picked at all. But that's the only movie of theirs, really, that I've only watched one time.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

But, yeah, I love the Town, so easy pick there. Okay, Dobbins, we got two picks.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I do. Okay. So, I mean, I. I would have picked Good Will Hunting one and the Town two, and it opens up a little bit here. There are obviously a lot of movies that we all love that are eligible here, so I guess I'll just go with. In Blockbuster, I'll take Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie made about Ben Affleck, and there have been many at this point. He is an interesting concept to investigate. The Town, in many ways, could be seen as a movie about Ben Affleck trying to understand parts of himself. But great movie. We screened it as a part of the Friends of the Fest at the American Cinematheque, and that was really, really fun.

[Sean Fennesy]

Played so beautifully.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Everyone laughed exactly where you should.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. So I'll do that in Blockbuster. Because we used to be a country where Gone Girl, directed by David Fincher, was a blockbuster. Was a blockbuster.

[Sean Fennesy]

Didn't they make like $350? That was great.

[Christopher Ryan]

Did you see the photo of Adventures of Cliff Booth where the clapboard photo.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, that they wrapped and it says.

[Christopher Ryan]

Teleplay by Quentin Tarantino. Thought that was funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's cute.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, does that mean it will feel more like a TV movie then?

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm fine with that.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

And then we know Quentin loves a.

[Amanda Dobbins]

70S TV movie because we've opened up Oscar nominee I can in directed or produced by Take Manchester by the Sea.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes, you do.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which is. Matt Damon produced that absolutely devastating Kenneth Lonergan movie about New England. It's outside Boston. Right outside of Boston. And not being able to get past your mistakes, which, you know, in this case, I don't know whether it's not possible to. But most movies try to sand that off or to give you hope.

[Christopher Ryan]

The single greatest what if of Matt Damon's career.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, it's. If he had taken this part.

[Christopher Ryan]

Taken the Casey Affleck part. Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think we got the best version of the movie, personally. And it seems like it was. I mean, he's the one who put Kayce up for it. Right. And that's part of the reason why.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think they worked it for a long time. And it was like, if we're gonna. If we do this, like, I'm busy for the next three and a half years and so I will step aside. And if I step aside, I want Casey to play the part.

[Sean Fennesy]

An unusually funny episode of the Rewatchables about this movie that is perhaps the saddest film of the. I love that movie. Great pick. Okay, I've got another pick. This is a tough one because I don't know where you're going to go. And so I need to account for what you're going to get on the turn. How do I be strategic and just get something I really want right now at the right time? Or do I just follow my heart and say come what may? Like, for example, I don't care about Jason Bourne. I'm on the record about that. Like, those movies don't really do it for me, so I don't need to.

[Christopher Ryan]

Why do they do it for you?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't dislike them, but I'm not a subscriber to the Cult.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But isn't your favorite the one with Renner, Bourne Legacy?

[Sean Fennesy]

Really?

[Christopher Ryan]

Really Love it. I think my favorite is the second one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Although huge. Famka. Potent, I was gonna say.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'll. I'll.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's okay. Take your time.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's tough.

[Christopher Ryan]

You picked what?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Your first.

[Sean Fennesy]

I took the Town and directed or produced by.

[Christopher Ryan]

All right.

[Sean Fennesy]

And I guess you can only get so many here, right? You can only take so many away from me. So I'll just take what I think is the best entrant in this category, which is Matt and Ben together in Dogma. Yeah, they're amazing in this movie, which was kind of lost to time. I interviewed Kevin Smith on the POD last year. I asked him two questions. He spoke for one hour. God bless him for it. He told great stories. The movie has since been reissued on 4K. I looked at it last night. Looks great. Matt and Ben play fallen angels in this movie.

[Christopher Ryan]

They're awesome in this movie.

[Sean Fennesy]

This is. You'll laugh because it's a Kevin Smith movie. Some of Ben Affleck's best acting ever.

[Christopher Ryan]

Is the conference room scene the best they've ever been together?

[Sean Fennesy]

No. The parking garage. That's the best scene.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah, it is. It's good.

[Sean Fennesy]

Them going back and forth about the nature of God and order in a Kevin Smith movie is legitimately exciting to me. I've always had a really soft spot in my heart as a fallen angel of sorts as well a lapsed Catholic. And I really appreciate that Kevin Smith, after making a bunch of dick joke movies, attempts to do something like this. This is also something that I think is missing from the movies right now, even though it's a little clunky at times. But I just think they're really, really special together. And all these other movies, I think, are not bad that they're in together. I like them, but this feels to me like their essence in the 90s. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It is also the most used of the.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'm following my heart.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

So this is an interesting place where the categories wind up dictating the choices a little bit more than my personal taste. But be that as it may, I'll go Matt and Ben together and take the last duel.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

There's not that many of them left. I. I think in the long test of time. At Last Duel, eclipse the rip. Although I probably had more fun watching the rip.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Sure. Well, I'm just. I mean, neither subject matter is uplifting.

[Christopher Ryan]

No.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But I would say that the rip has more fun. Except for Ben Affleck, who's having a great time throughout the last duel.

[Christopher Ryan]

In the last duel.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, I think the last was quite good. A little bit overlooked because of the period in which it was released and.

[Christopher Ryan]

And also the amount of movies Ridley Scott was putting out at the same.

[Sean Fennesy]

Movie year for Ridley.

[Christopher Ryan]

Is that House of Gucci?

[Sean Fennesy]

I think so.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

And so it kind of got a little pushed aside, but it is also a tough sit. And the way that the movie concludes is quite serious. Yes. But I think the movie's very good.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. So I'll do that and I will do Argo for directed or produced by and Argo. It's just a very well made. It's like Moneyball to me. If you can distract yourself from its truthfulness, it is like a very well made genre film. It's kind of.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Excuse me. So you, when you watch Moneyball, you're holding its truthfulness against it?

[Christopher Ryan]

No, I just think it's worth noting that they had an excellent pitching staff that comes up zero times.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Everyone is very, very raw about baseball right now. Is what I'm learning.

[Christopher Ryan]

No, I, I, I worship buddy ball.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, right. It's that Eric Chavez, Miguel Tejada, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder and who was Tim Hudson? And Tim Hudson were are not mentioned.

[Christopher Ryan]

These guys won the division by having Scott Hatterberg walk.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

Just. That's all that happened.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then he hit the home run at the really important moment. Okay. And the sound cuts out. So it's awesome.

[Sean Fennesy]

The movie's great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Can you not be romantic about baseball?

[Christopher Ryan]

So is Argo, even though it sounds like a seamless departure from Tehran for those guys.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

It makes it seem like they're being chased, you know, but just an excellently well made movie. And also the Hollywood stuff in Argo is so great. So happy to have that.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. Arkin and Goodman are fantastic in the movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You have another pick.

[Sean Fennesy]

He just grabbed two. He had the last duel in Argo.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, that's right.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, so now I've got a pick. This is just feel I'm going Oscar nominee the Martian. Just because there are vanishingly few acting nominations for our, our figures here.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. But we opened it up.

[Sean Fennesy]

I know, but I feel better about picking the Martian here because Daemon is the absolute center of the movie. He's phenomenal in this movie. It's also a hugely nominated movie. 2, 4, 6, 7 nominations. 0 wins for the Martian. Shame.

[Christopher Ryan]

Somebody get a supporting nominist.

[Sean Fennesy]

No supporting. It's screenplay, production design, sound editing and sound mixing and visual effects along with picture.

[Christopher Ryan]

What a crazy cast this movie had.

[Sean Fennesy]

Really good. Yeah, really good. I like this movie. A Lot, I think. I think this is the, perhaps the best use of Damon's talents in a film in terms of his ability to sell. It's a very defeated, intelligent, overcoming struggle. Like he really. He uses all of his talents, his.

[Christopher Ryan]

Talk show host, his talk show guest Persona.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

Put into a giant blockbuster.

[Sean Fennesy]

Obviously a lot of credit to the novel and the story and the framework that he fit, but he slides right into it beautifully. Speaking of Ridley Scott, 2 Ridley Scott movies off the board already. Okay, Dobbins, you got two picks. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm gonna take the other side of Matt Damon in Oscar nominee. And it is. He was not nominated for an actor, a best actor for this, but he should have been. So I feel comfortable putting the talented Mr. Ripley in this space, which is my favorite Matt Damon performance. And it is, is. It is everything that the Martian is not. And it comes very soon after goodwill hunting. And he plays against his charisma and his confidence and is just like a really messed up weirdo. And I, I just couldn't love this movie more.

[Sean Fennesy]

So you also screen this movie at the American side? I did a trend design. Yes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

For Friends of the Fest. So also my other two things in this category are the Martian Argo, which you guys already took. So, so talented Mr. I'm like, I could have found something else, but that was all the Googling that I did. So now I have Matt and Ben together, supporting roll and Wild card left. I have a cute idea for Matt and Ben together.

[Sean Fennesy]

So I think I can guess what that is.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I think that. Yeah. And I don't think that you guys are going to take it anywhere else. So.

[Sean Fennesy]

So you're going to wait.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So I'm going to wait. And I think I can go into supporting role.

[Sean Fennesy]

You sure you don't want me to just take School Ties and Wildcard right now? Because I'll do it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, it's not that.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's a different one. It's not that. Okay, great.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's a different one. But you know, let's see. But. So I think now I just gotta go with what I want in supporting role. Even though I think you guys would go for the most obvious one. But I'm gonna be cute and true to my heart and supporting role as well. And take Ocean's Twitter 12.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, wow.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which, you know, it's an ensemble film. Yeah. And no, that's 13.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I. I wasn't in Four Weddings in a Funeral.

[Sean Fennesy]

He is more of the star of 12.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yes. But it's an ensemble. Listen. Okay. Like, I know what you're saying.

[Sean Fennesy]

You know what I mean?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Linus does get moments.

[Sean Fennesy]

He get the most.

[Christopher Ryan]

I thought Brent Pitt was the star of 12.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, because of the Catherine Zeta Jones stuff.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And it's like. And it's like Danny handing it over to Rusty. But. And Linus, like, does come into his own at the end of the show.

[Sean Fennesy]

Huge part at the end. Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then he. Then that sets him up.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's so funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He sets him up for 13.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, but is he the star of 13? I got to rewatch 13.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think if you have to pick a star, he would be 13. Yeah, but so I choose him in Ocean's 12, which is just an absolutely wonderful movie and does embody, like, were I Adam Sandler and I could just pay for everyone, like, everyone I love to be in a fun movie together. Like, I would. I would pick Ocean's 12 and I'd pick all those people and I'd pick those locations and, you know, I'd. I'd learn some parkour and it would be a great time.

[Sean Fennesy]

What is it south of France? Monaco. Where are they? Where's Catherine Zeta Jones living? Where's the. Where's the Night Fox?

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, Night Fox is in the south of France.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. So that's south of France. But I think they do the heist in Rome. I think that's where the egg is going to be on display. No, no, no, it's in Italy because they filmed it like, not at. At Clooney's Como place, but like nearby.

[Christopher Ryan]

That's where Albert Finney is at the end, right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I think he's somewhere else on a different island.

[Sean Fennesy]

Can I make a request?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Will you guys refer to me as the Night Fox going forward?

[Christopher Ryan]

Sure. If you can do the dancing through the laser beams, I will call you the Night Fox.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think I need to stretch a little more to be able to figure that out. How about this? What if you just referred to me as the Night Fox? Not in my presence.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

Like, will the Night Fox be there? It's great. Great.

[Christopher Ryan]

Do you know what time Night Fox is arriving? So was that two or did you.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That was two, cuz I did talented Mr. Ripley.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, so I'm up. I'm going Blockbuster and I'm taking the Departed.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

Which I. Are you upset?

[Christopher Ryan]

No, you.

[Sean Fennesy]

I grilled me there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Like, you just. You held that reaction a little bit longer.

[Christopher Ryan]

No, I was thinking. I was. I actually, when you said the Departed, I. I was like kicking myself for not talking about the Departed. During the rip.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh.

[Christopher Ryan]

Because I was like this movie w up being more like Den of Thieves than the Departed.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Mention it.

[Sean Fennesy]

She did mention that he the Matt.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Damon of it all. But you're right that it faints away from the departed.

[Christopher Ryan]

Rat Damon.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, Rat Damon.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's right.

[Christopher Ryan]

Can you call me Rat Demon? I'm not a rat.

[Sean Fennesy]

Matt Damon not nominated for an Academy Award in this film despite some of his best work. Obviously. Leo is also terrific in this movie. This movie won best Picture, but didn't really get like all of those hosannas that you usually expect for a movie like this. And it makes the Marty win feel even more like a makeup win or something because this movie didn't get nine wins even though I think it is pretty clearly lived on. It's the 20th anniversary of the Departed this year.

[Christopher Ryan]

I wonder if we'll re repart.

[Sean Fennesy]

No, we've reparted. We need to re. Re part. Yeah. I could pot about this movie any day of the week, anytime. It's fabulous and super weird. As you've pointed out over the years. The way that it's made where it just feels like they're like pre torn jeans. The movie, it's just kind of messy and burnt on the edges and the editing style is kind of insane.

[Christopher Ryan]

Shots don't matter.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Tell me more about your concepts of pre torn jeans.

[Sean Fennesy]

I've just spoken with Jack Fisk and he told me all about it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's distressing the jeans.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, he explained how they age things on set.

[Christopher Ryan]

But you don't mean that.

[Sean Fennesy]

Right?

[Amanda Dobbins]

But that's very different from the fake distress that you're walking into at Urban Outfitters.

[Sean Fennesy]

You have to listen to the interview to learn how to.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's doing it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Sean gets his clothes from earlier.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I really don't know.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'm having Jack Fix make all my clothes.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I know Rag and Bone is selling distressed jeans at the Silhouettes that Sean is looking for.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't know, perhaps.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What. What number is it again?

[Sean Fennesy]

3. Right in the middle there.

[Christopher Ryan]

You're going to try and get sponsored by Rag and Bone.

[Sean Fennesy]

Didn't hurt.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Do you. Do you do like a distressed jean ever? Are you wearing new jeans? Are you exclusively vintage at this point?

[Christopher Ryan]

Levi's 502. Made in Japan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. But vintage or new made.

[Sean Fennesy]

How are those tariffs coming out?

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, I'm taking a little bit of.

[Sean Fennesy]

L. A little L there. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

I don't get them from Japan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

But no, you don't fly to Japan to get them.

[Christopher Ryan]

I should though.

[Sean Fennesy]

The dollar is stronger but is it selvage? Like what are we talking about here?

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm wearing them right now. They're just jeans.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. But they're not distressing.

[Sean Fennesy]

Can I touch them?

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

So weird.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Zip fly or button fly?

[Sean Fennesy]

Zip.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Is that wrong?

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I just, you know.

[Sean Fennesy]

You think that makes him less of a man?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I, I, I, I prefer a straight button fly these days. I'm, yeah. I'm only doing vintage. Also.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay. Boring button fly as well. Blockbuster is a loaded category. The Departed was at the top of my list. A lot of contenders here. Have you taken Blockbuster yet?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, so you have places to go.

[Christopher Ryan]

You have another pick.

[Sean Fennesy]

Nope. You have two picks now in Blockbuster.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'll take Armageddon.

[Sean Fennesy]

Wow.

[Christopher Ryan]

Which is kind of them first for one thing, I wanted to wait waited a little bit for Ben. I don't think I'm going to pick another Affleck starring film or Affleck kind of fountain movie. Armageddon. Also Blockbuster. You know these guys are pretty popular people. So a lot of different kinds of movies are blockbusters for them. But Armageddon is the capital B blockbuster.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was seriously considering this in Wild Card in order to expand my Ben palette.

[Christopher Ryan]

Oh yeah. You know, so it's, that's the, that's the funny thing about this because I.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Don'T know if my final is going to represent your actual long list. My passion. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's I to me.

[Sean Fennesy]

Swerve.

[Christopher Ryan]

Now then the long list is 80, 20 matt to me. 70, 30 matt.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's so it's tough because Ben directed three really good movies.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

And one I think one truly great movie which I drafted. And then two movies that I like a lot. So that does, it does balance the scales a little bit. But Damon's just got, I think being in Ocean's Born and then all in movies is just like pretty overwhelming.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. But yeah, I know that Bourne's in here and a lot of stuff, but Armageddon to me is when I close my eyes and think of a summer blockbuster.

[Amanda Dobbins]

When he's living on a jet plane. Are you kidding me?

[Christopher Ryan]

Independence Day.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Like, are you fucking kidding? My, my 15 year old heart just absolutely shattered.

[Sean Fennesy]

She dressed it. What are you doing? Why did you dress it?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Because I got Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie about Ben Affleck. I stand by my choice. And also I believe in a world where that movie is eligible for Blockbuster. Okay, so that's pre Netflix Fincher. So whatever. But yeah, it's powerful. I'm just, I'm Backing him up.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, cool. I like Armageddon too. Criterion.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I was mean about the jeans. So, you know.

[Christopher Ryan]

To whom?

[Amanda Dobbins]

To you. To the zip fly. I'm sorry?

[Christopher Ryan]

There's nothing wrong with the zipper fly fly.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, what's wrong with it? Why don't you get into it with your whole chest? What's up with zip flies?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, I will actually tell you that post. Carrying two children, the zipper fly provides, like, a structural support that's, like, helpful to me. The button. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

There's a button fly?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, the button fly, yeah. Sorry. So that's a. I don't know if that's only getting.

[Sean Fennesy]

You don't have bracing on an earthquake zone home. Is that, like, how it works? Literally, Yes, I know.

[Christopher Ryan]

Like, you're.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You're, like, making a joke, but, like, this is what I'm dealing with every day. The skin, you know, do you feel.

[Sean Fennesy]

As though you may topple over at any moment?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Not anymore. In that way.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

Emotionally.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And that's more of a core support. You know, like, you should look into that because I'm lifting stuff all day, and as are you.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'm not lifting stuff.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right. That's what I'm saying. And your back is suffering, and I'm, you know, I'm doing my little workouts, and I'm wearing my button fly jeans as a brace.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is not something I give a lot of thoughts.

[Sean Fennesy]

You can't get this on any other movie podcast. So when my wife asks me, why is no one compete. You can't compete with this conversation about button fly versus zipper fly. This is one of one content.

[Christopher Ryan]

I do have some jeans that are button fly, but, yeah, when I put jeans on, it's not like, what's. I mean, it's just.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's also like, the. The vintage 501s are button ply, and then the 505s are zipper, which I was, like, trying for a while, but they don't really hold their structure.

[Christopher Ryan]

Go be. I don't. I don't look good in 501s.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

No.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Have you tried on another?

[Christopher Ryan]

I think so, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, we should go to American Rag sometime.

[Christopher Ryan]

You and I go jean shopping. It's incredible. It's incredible content. Good YouTube content.

[Sean Fennesy]

You will not find that on ringer movies. Just. Okay, Sierra, you've got another.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'm gonna take Born Supremacy and Wild Card.

[Sean Fennesy]

Good wasn't on my board.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is probably the sort of, like, the peak of the green grass iteration of these movies. I'm not a big Jason Bourne.

[Sean Fennesy]

Fan.

[Christopher Ryan]

The third one is good, but two is the one that features the huge twist in the beginning, plus the Russia car chase. So.

[Sean Fennesy]

Cool.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

And Matt Damon is really good as Jason Bourne.

[Sean Fennesy]

Did you see the Lost Bus? Paul Greengrass, you're looking at me like.

[Christopher Ryan]

You'Ve never seen me before thinking that I almost put Paul Greengrass's new movie up on the auction where it's about a peasant rebellion in the 14th century, and that looks sick.

[Sean Fennesy]

That film's called the Uprising.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

It stars Andrew Garfield and Jamie Bell. I'm very excited about that movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Love both those guys.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah, it's actually produced by Blumhouse.

[Christopher Ryan]

I did not see Lost Bus. I know that it's right there on my Apple tv, but I didn't see it.

[Sean Fennesy]

Was not a big fan. Greengrass I really like generally, and I think his post Born output is a little underrated.

[Christopher Ryan]

Have you ever.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What was the Tom Hanks Kenneth movie? Yeah, well, sure, but News of the World is what I was talking about.

[Sean Fennesy]

Which is pretty good.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, he definitely just goes shows around town reading the news to people. But, like, you know, that's peak podcast. It's how we got our information.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's absolutely right. Okay, so you got two there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

What do you have left?

[Sean Fennesy]

What do you have left?

[Christopher Ryan]

I have supporting role.

[Sean Fennesy]

I have supporting roll left, too. And I'll be taking days and confused just to get my Ben numbers up.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Sean Fennesy]

O', Banion, Legendary piece of shit.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Affleck has done this part a few times. I also revisited Mallrats last night as Shannon.

[Christopher Ryan]

What's his way of describing anal sex in that I'm gonna have sex with her. Uncomfortable place and they're like in the back of a Honda.

[Sean Fennesy]

Very deranged movie. I watched the movie last night, watched the extended cut. You guys familiar with this? It's two hours and one minute. There's like a whole 15 minutes at the beginning of the movie that sets up Michael Rooker's character as like the, you know, the guy who's going to.

[Christopher Ryan]

Run the game show.

[Sean Fennesy]

And there's lots of Claire Forlani and Jason London stuff at the beginning of it that I didn't know existed. They really sliced and diced this movie and then served it up to us, which, you know, is a favorite of ours. And we watch as teenagers. And it's extremely stupid, though. Jason Lee. Possibly the single best performance of the 90s is Jason Lee in Mallrats. He's the funniest person who's ever lived. I don't know what the hell happened to that dude? Dazing infused though. Perfect film. Five star classic. Nice. Nice introduction for Affleck, who is a very, I think a very recognizable, insecure bully. I remember older kids in my high school that were like this guy. Overcompensating and extremely mean to small children. So him getting the paint dumped on him. Iconic. Love this movie. Okay, Amanda, so what do you have left?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, I have my last two. I have Matt and Ben together and I have Wildcard. So Matt, Ben together. Matt and Ben famously had cameos in the Fenway scene at Field of Dreams. So I will be taking Field of Dreams.

[Christopher Ryan]

Sneaky.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. See, there I go. It is eligible.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's when you get the third pick. You got to be creative.

[Sean Fennesy]

It is eligible.

[Christopher Ryan]

That's a great call.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Field of Dreams. Just an absolutely amazing Costner performance. I also. This has nothing to do with Matt and Ben, but was re watching scenes of Truth or Dare in order to get ready for the moment. And remember when Kevin Costner meets Madonna in Truth or Dare. Just very funny.

[Christopher Ryan]

What does he say to her? He's like, pretty neat.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That was neat. Thanks for having us.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's kind of like how I react to eating mushrooms in a small place restaurant.

[Sean Fennesy]

That was neat.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, I didn't get the Fenway raid from the heist from the town, but I got Field of Dreams and then I have Wild Cards card, which could go a few different ways. It like, so I was going to do Armageddon for to get up my Ben and obviously Gone baby gone is still on the table. You know, at one point I had the accountant to an indirect or produced by. Produced by. As like a back pocket situation.

[Christopher Ryan]

Tough one.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Which, I mean, it's tough.

[Sean Fennesy]

That would have been rough.

[Christopher Ryan]

Who directed the Accountant to Gavin o'?

[Sean Fennesy]

Connor?

[Christopher Ryan]

That's right.

[Sean Fennesy]

Who directed the Accountant?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Remember the team of hackers packers at the the school? Yeah, yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

It was like Accountant to Havoc and what was the third one that we did together? This is basically this time last year.

[Sean Fennesy]

The Amateur.

[Christopher Ryan]

The Amateur.

[Sean Fennesy]

Amateur, yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah. I really wish the amateur were better.

[Sean Fennesy]

Just needed a different lead.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It did. Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

But put Andrew Garfield in the. In there.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Ah, that would be good.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So like I. I could do my Affleck, but you, I guess. And you already did Born Supremacy, so what would I even should I do? I don't really think I want to do Shakespeare in Love, even though I do like that movie and he's good in it.

[Sean Fennesy]

You're in Wild Card right now.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Gwyneth era. Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay. Jack, have The Mets done anything since we started? I don't believe so. Okay. Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So there's no time limit on when they can. It's not like, I mean, all the.

[Christopher Ryan]

Guys will be gone over the weekend, probably.

[Sean Fennesy]

Time limit on baseball, you mean?

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's not like there's not a deadline.

[Sean Fennesy]

No, this is something that people have been asking for in the sport because this has been a really elongated off season. But, I mean, pitchers and catchers in three weeks.

[Christopher Ryan]

He holds all his guys, you know, hostage for a while.

[Sean Fennesy]

He does. There's still some big players on the board, though, from Bravo Valdez, still unsigned. How do you feel about losing Ranger?

[Christopher Ryan]

I mean, I liked him.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'll do Gone Baby Gone. I'll do Gone Baby Gone.

[Sean Fennesy]

Gone, Baby Gone.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Good pick. Well. Well, Ranger Suarez owned the Mets, so.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm happy to see him go. I respect Ben Affleck.

[Christopher Ryan]

Gone Baby Gone's an incredible movie.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I've also said it also like Amy Madigan back in the news, you know.

[Sean Fennesy]

Good point.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So it's very upsetting.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

I tried to get Bill to do it. He was like, it's too upsetting.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's really, really upsetting. I rewatched some of it last night and I was like, oh, yeah. Heritage is funnier, though.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

The co counsel, I think is really sad not to.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Not to spoil 20. Not to spoil bone temple and hereditary. So I guess fast forward, but hereditary.

[Sean Fennesy]

Is 10 years old.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Well, you never know with people on this show just like, absolutely grow.

[Christopher Ryan]

They had one other movie podcast to listen to. Maybe they could find one that doesn't spoil bones.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So people being lit on fire, it doesn't bug me at all. I just think it's kind of cool. There I am on that. That's my favorite.

[Sean Fennesy]

We should get you into the Halloween movies, because I feel like Michael Myers is frequently being lit on fire, and then five minutes later he's like, I'm fine.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's so interesting you should say that because I was talking to Phoebe last night about different things on the pit that gross us out versus stuff that doesn't. And she's really not into anything with skin.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah, Skin is upsetting.

[Sean Fennesy]

But like I said, Botemple is a no go.

[Christopher Ryan]

Which bone temple?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I don't want to see them after they've been lit on fire, but when they burst into flames, I'm just like, ooh. But I'm like, the power of fire.

[Christopher Ryan]

Almost all. I need you to get four fingers in there and lift that up.

[Sean Fennesy]

Eat me. The American Prometheus the power of fire.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Anyway, Gone Baby Gone is a very upsetting.

[Sean Fennesy]

I haven't revisited this in a while. I'd like to see it again. I like this movie a lot.

[Christopher Ryan]

Quite good.

[Sean Fennesy]

The board really just played in completely in my favor. I got everything I wanted and I'm going to get what I wanted at Wildcard. So I'm really happy about it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Congratulations.

[Christopher Ryan]

How many shouts are you going to get Wild?

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, I just feel like I've been stymied quite a bit in drafts recently.

[Christopher Ryan]

So you're going to pick Oppenheimer here?

[Sean Fennesy]

No, I'm going to get take Rounders, which is one of my favorite movies of all time and some of the best daemon you'll ever see. And I think one of his great star parts, Star Turns as a kind of classical. To your point earlier about how they're kind of these emissaries of Hollywood who stand for a certain kind of thing. The part in Rounders as constructed is something that, you know, Paul Newman could have played that any, any great star from the 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s could have played. And Damon fits that so comfortably. I love that movie. I've talked about it incessantly over the last whatever years I've been podcasting feeling good about it.

[Christopher Ryan]

So I have one. My last pick then.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes.

[Christopher Ryan]

Supporting role, Saving Private Ryan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Ah.

[Christopher Ryan]

There's a ton of really good Matt Damon work out there that I could shout out for supporting role from one of his breakthroughs in Courage Under Fire to his appearance in Che Part two. But I, I.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No sudden move.

[Christopher Ryan]

No sudden move. More of it. Like a cameo, but an incredible cameo.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

But yeah, I will go with Saving Private Ryan. Just watched like a very delightful. I think he was talking to. I can't remember who he was talking to, but Damon telling an anecdote about, about Spielberg, like doing two takes and moving on and being like, just trust me, like I know how to make a movie. He's interesting in this movie just because I think when I watched it I wasn't like, that guy's gonna be in my life for the next 35 years as a major movie star. Like he's supposed to be a little bit annoying in this film. They're supposed to have.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's a genius aspect of the screenwriting is to make him kind of an ingrate and to be, you know, ungrateful for this journey that these men have gone on.

[Christopher Ryan]

Exactly so. But a fantastic performance in a, a five star altimer movie.

[Sean Fennesy]

A lot of really good Ben supporting parts that are a little Bit lost to time.

[Christopher Ryan]

Like Boiler Room.

[Sean Fennesy]

Boiler Room's one. Right. That's kind of an extended cameo. Hollywoodland, where he plays George Reeve, who played Superman. That sort of kicked off his comeback after the series of misses he had at the box office. I thought he's really funny in Extract. Did you ever see that Mike Judge movie starring Jason Bateman, but a guy who owns, like, a liquid extract company. And Affleck plays his buddy. He's so funny in that movie. Tender Bar.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's Tender Bar.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

He's very funny in air. Very effective as Phil Knight.

[Christopher Ryan]

I was just watching. It was on cable the other night. State of Play.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Where he plays the.

[Sean Fennesy]

I much prefer the British adaptation of that, which I think you put me on to.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, that was one of my first. Like, there's TV over there and you can get it on, like, bittorrent. And it's amazing.

[Sean Fennesy]

I remember you definitely showed that.

[Amanda Dobbins]

There's TV over there.

[Sean Fennesy]

Pirate Bay is what you used.

[Christopher Ryan]

Not. Not that I used any Torrent Insights.

[Sean Fennesy]

You did. You said. You said you did.

[Christopher Ryan]

Pam Bondi.

[Sean Fennesy]

Don't.

[Christopher Ryan]

Don't come at me.

[Sean Fennesy]

Don't at me. You mentioned Shakespeare in Love. Also a good Ben. Supporting part. Interstellar. Undrafted.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. Chris didn't do it.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. I mean, I adore Interstellar. I thought about taking it in a blockbuster.

[Sean Fennesy]

Is Oppenheimer a supporting partner?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I had it on.

[Christopher Ryan]

Was he nominated for supporting actors?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Actor?

[Sean Fennesy]

Don't think so. No.

[Christopher Ryan]

He wasn't.

[Sean Fennesy]

No.

[Christopher Ryan]

He should have been.

[Sean Fennesy]

Probably.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

He's really good.

[Sean Fennesy]

Excellent.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is the most important thing in.

[Sean Fennesy]

The history of the world. True Grit. Also a great supporting part.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Beef.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Love True Grit. Ford v. Ferrari.

[Christopher Ryan]

Doesn't it feel like Affleck should have been in a Coen Brothers movie? Does at some point.

[Sean Fennesy]

Maybe they don't find him funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I do.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think he's very funny.

[Amanda Dobbins]

But he's funny in a different way than George Clooney is fun. Like the unknowing or the true dumb humor that they do with Pitt, too. Ben Affleck's not dumb. Funny.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

You can see him trying to do that. Specifically in Jay and Silent Bob's Strike Back and Jay and Silent Bob reboot.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yes.

[Sean Fennesy]

Doesn't work quite as well.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, he's a smartass. That's the appeal.

[Sean Fennesy]

He's a smart ass. Do you guys think about drafting Promised Land?

[Christopher Ryan]

I hadn't noted that.

[Sean Fennesy]

That was one of Gus Van Zant's Promised Land.

[Christopher Ryan]

That was an early version. Matt Damon. Producer. Actor.

[Sean Fennesy]

Right. Co Written by John Krasinski.

[Christopher Ryan]

Jerry.

[Sean Fennesy]

Jerry. That's a leading role.

[Christopher Ryan]

He edited that movie too, right?

[Sean Fennesy]

Matt Damon edited Jerry.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think so.

[Sean Fennesy]

The Gus Van Zandt movie. Wow. Very cool. What about Invictus?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Did not have that on any of my lists.

[Sean Fennesy]

One of the only acting nominations. Directed by Clint Eastwood.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

About the South African rugby team.

[Christopher Ryan]

Edited by Casey Affleck. Matt Damon and Gus Van Santa.

[Sean Fennesy]

Sick. Only gotten the editing bay together.

[Christopher Ryan]

Gotten the. In the avid.

[Sean Fennesy]

Do you think that the three of us should let Jack take a playoff and we cut an episode of the Big Picture together?

[Christopher Ryan]

I'll do a lot of vo. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

[Sean Fennesy]

That sounds awesome. You just want to have more time off, that's all.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I get it.

[Sean Fennesy]

No, I would legitimately like to see what else. Any other honorable mentions that we didn't get to.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I didn't do Born Identity because he did Born Supremacy. Born Identity is my favorite. Favorite Europe seems nice.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yep.

[Christopher Ryan]

The Informant.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Love him. Love Matt Damon and the Informant.

[Sean Fennesy]

That was my backup for Wild Card.

[Christopher Ryan]

Behind the Candelabra.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yes. He's great in behind the. Very Funny and behind the Candelabra.

[Christopher Ryan]

Really? Who's your favorite Matt Damon? Director, actor, partnership. Like, who do you love him with the most?

[Sean Fennesy]

It's a fun question.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's gotta be Soderbergh, right? Yeah, it is over Nolan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, but that's just that. That's number one, you know, that's all the oceans. Because the Informant, he's really good in. But I prefer Daemon to either be like, evil, you know, treading on really messed up, or the good guy.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Amanda Dobbins]

You know.

[Sean Fennesy]

Well, so he's had seven movies with Soderbergh.

[Christopher Ryan]

Informant, Candelabra, three oceans. He's in side effects for one scene.

[Sean Fennesy]

Oh, he's in side effects. Yeah. He's in unsane.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yep. No, wait. Is he in side effects or unsane? Maybe it's unsane.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'm looking insane. Yeah. No, then there's one other big one that I'm forgetting right now.

[Christopher Ryan]

Che.

[Sean Fennesy]

Che. That was the other one. I think he's in nine Soderbergh movies. Fucking love it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I mean, so it's got to be Far and Away. Soderbergh. That's pretty great. Admire that.

[Christopher Ryan]

One Scorsese, two Nolans. Or three.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think it's just Interstellar and Oppenheimer and now Odyssey. Right. He's got four Kevin Smith films, right? Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma Jane, Silent Bob, Strike Back, Jay and Silent Bob. Reboot.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's five of those and then two. Gus Van Santz.

[Sean Fennesy]

Right. Jerry and Goodwill. Plus something else.

[Christopher Ryan]

Well, he's briefly in Finding Forrester as a cameo.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

Affleck doesn't have that. Affleck doesn't have his guy.

[Sean Fennesy]

He doesn't.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think probably because he thinks he's the guy. His guy is himself.

[Christopher Ryan]

His guy, sadly, was Zack Snyder.

[Sean Fennesy]

He was the bomb in Phantoms, though, as you may recall.

[Christopher Ryan]

He.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. Who is this guy? John Frankenheimer in Reindeer Games.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Christopher Ryan]

John Woo.

[Sean Fennesy]

John Woo and Paycheck.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I mean, it's bae. It's bae.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I guess so. Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's Pearl harbor and it's Armageddon. That's his dude.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. I mean, Jake Gyllenhaal is doing Affleck in ambulance.

[Sean Fennesy]

Very true, very true. Ben walked so Jake could run.

[Christopher Ryan]

I like that Jake. Ben is running the Bride. I didn't know that.

[Sean Fennesy]

His own race running. Should Ben run for public office?

[Amanda Dobbins]

He can do whatever he wants.

[Sean Fennesy]

I know.

[Christopher Ryan]

You know, he's like the office manager at Artist Equity. He's like making sure the pens are there.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, now that we're at the end of the episode, no one's listening anymore. I have one final question around this. It's not nice, but I'm gonna ask beard dye for Ben or.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, is he using beard dye?

[Sean Fennesy]

I mean, he obviously is using it.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

That's okay. That's okay. That's normal.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think he's just whatever he's makes him happy and stay.

[Sean Fennesy]

I'm not shaming him. I'm asking.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So you're, you're going silver and you have like, it's a nice color, which is nice, but. So you're not dying your hair?

[Sean Fennesy]

No, I'm not saying I won't, but like I might.

[Amanda Dobbins]

So dyeing your hair either to cover grays or just like in light, it's normal.

[Sean Fennesy]

I have no doubt.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's very normal. So I don't understand how beard is any different.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think it's like a 55 year old man with jet black facial hair.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Right.

[Christopher Ryan]

I think the beard also like, I think when you dye your beard, it looks weirdly less authentic than when you dye your hair.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah, I mean, I. It does seem like the beard dyers and groomers are not kind of doing like the layering that they're paying doing in the hair and we're not kind of like layering the approach.

[Christopher Ryan]

Do you think Ben is zip flyer button for fly?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, he's a fly. Those jeans are too skinny. You know, I would. I would work with him on that personally.

[Sean Fennesy]

You're just. You're captured by the fashion industry. You're like. You're concerned for what is on trend relative to Ben Affleck's physique.

[Amanda Dobbins]

No, I think they are, like, actually too skinny where he likes. It's. It's like a proportions issue because he's brought her up.

[Christopher Ryan]

He's got a big refrigerator.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And then they go like. And he's like, really sticking, like. I think there is, like, strange stretch in the jeans, you know?

[Sean Fennesy]

Sure.

[Amanda Dobbins]

And I. I don't think we need to go quite as stove. Like. I think we could do. It's slim. Is fine. Slim, straight. We don't need to be like a wide leg thing. I'm not on that. But they are. We don't need any stretch. Do you have stretch in your jeans, Sean? Fantasy. Good.

[Sean Fennesy]

Right now? No, there's three. They're quite loose.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I can't, you know, tug on them as you did at Christmas.

[Sean Fennesy]

I just touched them.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

I just wanted to connect my brother by touching. Look at this gentleman shoulder.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. This is a.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

This is an acrylic material, a top that I'm wearing.

[Sean Fennesy]

You look like you're, like, going to direct traffic, but in.

[Amanda Dobbins]

In wars. It's a nice color on you.

[Christopher Ryan]

Thanks. I got it in England.

[Amanda Dobbins]

England.

[Christopher Ryan]

But it comes from Japan.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Are there tariffs in England as well?

[Christopher Ryan]

There are.

[Sean Fennesy]

Wow. Interesting. Well, that was an interesting draft. You guys feel good about it?

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah. I thought it was very congenial. There was no, like, how fucking.

[Sean Fennesy]

Gary, you.

[Christopher Ryan]

I took. You took Gone Girl, you piece of shit. Should we recap the teams real quick?

[Amanda Dobbins]

I'm sad that I didn't get the town, especially, you know, that's. As soon as order was, I was like, well, that's one of the most important cinema.

[Sean Fennesy]

Okay, Sierra, you. You chose first. So what did you get?

[Christopher Ryan]

I got in blockbuster, I took Armageddon. In Oscar nominee, I took goodwill hunting. In Matt and Ben together, I grabbed Last Duel. In directed or produced by Argos in supporting role, I took Saving Private Ryan. And in Wild Card, I took the Born Supremacy.

[Sean Fennesy]

In blockbuster, Urban. Yes. In Blockbuster, I got the Departed and Oscar nominee, I got the Martian. In Matt and Ben together, I got Dogma. Directed or produced by I took the town supporting role, I took Dazed and Confused and Wild Card. I took Rounders.

[Amanda Dobbins]

In blockbuster, I took Gone Girl and Oscar nominee the Talented Mr. Ripley. In Matt and Ben together Field of Dreams in directed or produced by Manchester by the Sea and supporting role Ocean's 12 and in Wild Card. Gone, baby, gone.

[Sean Fennesy]

Pretty good draft. So next time you hear from us, we will be here 7am for the Academy Award nominations.

[Amanda Dobbins]

It's seven now or 7:30.

[Sean Fennesy]

What do we say? 7:30?

[Amanda Dobbins]

We can do seven if you want.

[Sean Fennesy]

6Am okay.

[Christopher Ryan]

Are you guys doing them like a live reaction or you're just recording?

[Sean Fennesy]

We always do pretty early in the.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Morning because they're announced at 5:30. Something because of Once upon a time.

[Sean Fennesy]

People watched Morning America.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Stupid.

[Christopher Ryan]

What's the biggest shock that you could see happening?

[Sean Fennesy]

Shock?

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. F1 best picture or somebody getting left out.

[Sean Fennesy]

None of the. All of those permutations are so feel very possible. Something like. Like Leo not being nominated would be shocking. You know, something like that where you're like someone who we had in or like Michael B. Jordan. You know, somebody here like. I'm pretty sure this is happening. Right. Being left out and there. There usually is one thing. I'm still here. Made Best Picture last year and I was like, what?

[Christopher Ryan]

Right.

[Sean Fennesy]

And then that got us all gassed on the Secret Agent because versus like Brazil.

[Christopher Ryan]

Right.

[Sean Fennesy]

Brazil will reign supreme forever.

[Christopher Ryan]

Right.

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't know what about for you, anything that would be really shocking.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I think that if what he said about the actor and I guess I wouldn't be shocked if Emma Stone gets in, but you know, if there's like a huge begonia wave, I'll be like, oh, interesting. I didn't see this coming. I think we've been talking, you know, there might be four international features in Best Picture. There might be one. You know, so I think I'll be like very surprised if it was just an accident. Gets completely locked out. Which it sort of was in the last wave of guild and in play. Yeah. And that would be not surprising. But you'd be like, oh, that's not a good look. It's an amazing film and incredibly germane historical moment.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. It's always interesting when it's something being weaker than you thought rather than stronger than you thought is always more.

[Christopher Ryan]

The guilds have been weirdly domestic leaning, but the internationalization of the Academy itself will probably lead to a more interesting reveal of news.

[Sean Fennesy]

It's harder to predict because of this because I think you're right. I think if it's for international nominees where we're going to be like, we don't have to worry as much about the precursors as we used to because they don't really mean a lot relative to what the Academy is now. We'll talk all about it on Thursday morning. Sierra, thank you so much. Three episodes in a row.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

You smoked all three.

[Christopher Ryan]

I don't know when I'm coming back, though.

[Sean Fennesy]

When do you want to be back?

[Christopher Ryan]

Let's see what happens with that I heart thing. You guys get back to me.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think those awards are in March, so.

[Christopher Ryan]

No, I'm sure I'll be back at some point.

[Sean Fennesy]

My idea. My idea was to do an Oscar snubs draft.

[Christopher Ryan]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, that's a great one.

[Christopher Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

So that could be.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Is that. How are you defining snubs? Just not. Not nominated or not winning?

[Sean Fennesy]

I don't know. What do you think?

[Amanda Dobbins]

Okay, it's open. I mean, the not winning would also be.

[Sean Fennesy]

There could be you were nominated but didn't win, or they could be you didn't get nominated.

[Amanda Dobbins]

I mean, you could have different categories, right? Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

Or we could say just. This is just in the 2000s. This is just in the 90s. There's a lot of permutations we can do. We've done best picture win draft.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah. But it was polite.

[Sean Fennesy]

They've been polite.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Sean Fennesy]

We may add some special guests as well to make it a little bit more.

[Christopher Ryan]

I'll come back for crime 101.

[Amanda Dobbins]

Oh, yeah?

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. I think garbage crime is coming back.

[Christopher Ryan]

Okay.

[Amanda Dobbins]

That's exciting.

[Sean Fennesy]

I think it's important to talk about it. I think it's important to talk about heat, and it's important to talk about.

[Christopher Ryan]

It's a little disgust film, and it won't let it stand heat.

[Sean Fennesy]

Yeah. We need to get more hours on the board of Heat talks. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. For Jack, we killed it this week, dude. Lot of recordings. How are you feeling? Top of the world next week. No recordings. Monday through Wednesday. I'm pumped. I'm pumped, too. Have a great Martin Luther King day. We'll see you soon. It.