Podcast Summary: The Bill and Doug Show (Blue Wire)

Episode: “A 24-team College Football Playoff: Why the Big Ten wants it, and would it kill college football?”

Date: February 13, 2026

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Doug Lesmerises and Bill Landis explore the Big Ten’s internal push for a radical expansion of the College Football Playoff (CFP) to 24 teams. Drawing on extensive reporting and analysis — particularly Pete Thamel’s ESPN story on the proposal — they break down why the Big Ten favors such an overhaul, discuss the nuts and bolts of the plan, and debate whether this seismic shift would revitalize or harm the sport. The episode is rich in banter, skepticism, and big-picture thinking, with Bill and Doug unafraid to challenge each other’s points—always keeping fans and the health of college football in mind.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Big Ten Proposal: What’s on the Table?

• The Big Ten's proposal outlines a 24-team playoff, with major features:

  • Elimination of conference title games, which the Big Ten calls “artificial” and risky compared to not playing them ([06:14]).
  • Top eight seeds get first-round byes and home games in round two ([24:37]).
  • 16 first-round games replace the ten conference championship games ([13:52], [16:46]).

• Quote (Doug, [01:26]):
  “I actually think the Big Ten wants a 2014 [sic, 24-team] playoff and I think that sucks…that is my 30,000 foot view opinion on the subject.”

2. Conference Championship Games: Scrap or Keep?

• Both agree these games have become less relevant with expanded playoffs

  • Stakes for Power Four title games have sharply diminished.
  • The proposal would mitigate player fatigue by swapping title games for playoff first round ([12:45]).

• Quote (Bill, [09:24]):
  “I would scrap them. Not even in support of this 24-team idea. Just whatever postseason structure we're using, I would get rid of conference title games.”

3. Impact on the Regular Season

• Does expansion kill the importance of regular-season games?

  • Bill: Main problem isn’t playoff structure, but misuse of attention and failure to fix deeper structural issues (calendar, roster management, etc.) ([07:16]).
  • Doug: The regular season would lose urgency, but expansion could protect high-profile non-conference games threatened by scheduling anxiety (e.g., OSU-Alabama series) ([28:20], [31:22], [43:10], [62:44]).

• Quote (Doug, [65:01]):
  “It feels like the only way those teams are willing to play those [non-conference] games is if they have no stakes...but would you rather have Ohio State play another Mac team? Because that's what they're replacing Alabama with.”

4. Quality of the Playoff Field: Too Bloated?

• Critics say 24 teams means many participants aren’t playoff-worthy ([44:59]).
  • Doug: “Of these seven [extra] teams, other than Michigan, probably every fan base would be thrilled just about the idea of making the playoff.”
  • Bill: The expanded field “dilutes what it means to be a champion in the sport if you start inviting teams that don’t deserve it to be part of postseason play.” ([45:18])

5. Fan Experience and Home Atmospheres

• Both are enthusiastic about the potential for more meaningful home-site playoff games ([24:37], [25:36], [27:30]).
  • Bill: “Your reward for being the best…is you don’t get to play at home and your fans…have to take out a second mortgage… Why are we not giving these teams home games?”

6. Big Ten Motivation: It’s About Representation, Not Just Money

• Central thesis: The Big Ten feels underrepresented due to SEC-biased perceptions.

  • Example: Recent 12-team scenarios yield more SEC teams than Big Ten teams, a gap that widens with further expansion.
  • The proposal is seen as a strategic solution to ensure fairer representation, not a power grab ([68:14]).

• Quote (Doug, [68:14]):
  “Tony Petiti is worried about the perception of the Big Ten…either have automatic qualifiers, which he's floated before and everybody hated, or make the field so large that that second tier of Big Ten teams will get in just on sheer volume.”

7. Viable Alternatives and Solutions Proposed

• The best solution from both: Keep the playoff at 12 teams, but institute an annual SEC-Big Ten challenge in September ([82:42], [84:41]).
  • Would provide direct, meaningful data on conference strength, and create more marquee matchups.
  • Expansion to 16 teams is deemed potentially workable if coupled with automatic qualifiers.
  • Going to 24 is seen as less disastrous than it first appears, but not ideal.

8. Perception Battle vs On-Field Results

• The SEC’s reputation remains ahead of reality, and the Big Ten’s reactive strategies (whether through expansion or automatic qualifiers) are attempts to counteract this ([76:00–82:42]).
• Bill: “If you can’t beat them, structure them”—Big Ten’s approach is about changing the terms of the debate, not just the results on the field ([98:01]).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bill’s First Reaction: ([01:26])
  “To another product of the Tony Petiti Bad Idea Machine… Nobody wants this. They make the worst T-shirts and the worst playoff brackets you've ever seen.”
• Doug on Social Media Commentary: ([02:30])
  “The initial reaction to Pete's story was a Bill retweet with a thumbs down…if it did, in my head, that thumbs down came with a [fart noise].”
• Bill on Playoff Games Over Conference Titles: ([09:24])
  “Not even in support of this general 24 team idea…whatever postseason structure we’re using, I would get rid of conference title games.”
• Doug on Midwest Perception: ([76:00])
  “The Big Ten is still better than people believe it is and that is not reflected in the way the committee operates.”
• Bill: “If you can't beat them, structure them.” ([98:01])
• Doug on Fan Preferences: ([43:13])
  “I want to see the things I’ve never seen…I want the chance to see the Crimson Tide in Ohio Stadium… That’s what I would always take.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |---------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Episode intro; Big Ten's 24-team CFP proposal overview | | 06:18 | Why eliminate conference title games? | | 12:45 | Fan/financial implications of swapping title games for playoff games | | 16:46 | Breakdown of playoff structure—no net increase in games for top teams | | 24:37 | Why home playoff games matter; enhancing the postseason experience | | 28:20 | Would a bigger playoff save high-profile regular season games like OSU-Alabama? | | 44:59 | “Playoff worthy” debate—what’s the value of letting in more ‘mid’ teams? | | 62:44 | Expansions’ impact on regular season urgency and stakes | | 68:14 | Core motivation: Big Ten’s perception problem versus the SEC | | 76:00 | Evaluating reality versus SEC-driven consensus | | 82:42 | Bill’s challenge: Schedule SEC-Big Ten challenge, stop relying on perception | | 98:01 | “If you can’t beat them, structure them”: The Big Ten’s strategy with playoff expansion | | 101:57 | Final takeaways and outlook |

Episode Flow and Tone

• Tone: Direct, wry, occasionally irreverent.
• Dynamic: Thoughtful debate mixed with regional pride, skepticism of administrative motives, and a fan’s love for the sport.
• Context: This episode leans heavily into the big-picture implications for college football, with a focus on equity, spectacle, and maintaining both tradition and meaning in the sport.

Bottom Line

Doug and Bill conclude that:

• The 24-team expansion is a reaction not only to financial incentives, but to the Big Ten’s urgent desire for fair representation amid persistent SEC bias.
• While they find much to critique—especially around the dilution of postseason meaning—they recognize that some features (like more home playoff games) would be genuine upgrades.
• Ultimately, a careful, creative approach—such as keeping the playoff at 12 (or possibly 16 with safeguards) and implementing conference challenge games—might best serve fans, players, and the sport as a whole.
• Both agree: Until the sport’s underlying perception issues are fixed, structural tweaks to the playoff will never fully satisfy everyone.

For listeners and fans, this episode is an indispensable, candid guide through the messy politics and honest hopes shaping the next act in college football’s ongoing drama.