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The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
Are Notre Dame's College Football Playoff hopes dead? New CFP rankings
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It's Tuesday, and that means Doug Lesmerises and Bill Landis are updating their 2025 College Football Playoff projections after week three of the regular season.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Welcome back to the Bill and Doug Show. Doug lamarice and Bill Landis. Landis. We're doing our playoff brackets as we do every Tuesday. Eventually, we will make this a playoff show even more specifically when the brackets are coming out from the actual committee on Tuesday nights. For now, it's a good way to get everybody in the mood to do this. Can Notre Dame still make the playoff? That's going to be part of our conversation because as people may or may not know, I picked Notre Dame to win the national championship and they are currently 0 and 2. I also picked Kate Clubnik to win the Heisman and his team is currently one and two and I am terrible at my job.
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Bill Landis
Do you think from now on you should put those predictions out into the world just so you can put the hex on those people and then immediately reset your. Your picks so that you're not actually tied to those predictions?
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Doug Lee Maurice
Yeah, so that, that, that definitely is the bit that I should go for, is that I'm just trying. It's not what I actually think with my brain. It's just me hexing people because this is not going. This is not going well. Now the thing, I actually still think Notre Dame's good. Do you think Notre Dame's good or do you think Notre Dame is like, oh God no. Like, I, I don't completely get why they're owing to right now.
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Bill Landis
I, I still think they're pretty good. Yeah, I, I saw, I think it was Kirk Hert said like I'm actually quite impressed with Notre Dame. I don't think you can go like quite that far when they're owing to but yeah, they're still, they're still very talented and actually like some of the stuff with C.J. carr and the offense is kind of interesting. It's just that their defense is like way out of whack and they lost two games, one of which they probably needed to win.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Yeah, I do think so. So the, the Pete Sampson who does the the podcast with Matt Fortuna about Notre Dame on the Independent and also covers Notre Dame for the Athletic. I was reading some of the stuff that he was writing off Notre Dame's loss to Texas A M or they just could not stop anybody. And the one thing that seems to be true and I talked about this a little bit on the other show is that the Chris Ash hire defensively is already looking very questionable and that feels real. And I think they have talent on defense but they're not matching the scheme to the talent. They're not matching the coverage to the pass rush and there are just some basic disconnects that are happening there. But you can also understand and it turns out they played two bangers, they played two teams that might make the playoff in their first two weeks. And this is what you get. This is one of those things again, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. How excited were we to watch Notre Dame against Miami and Notre Dame against Texas A and M in the first three weeks? Awesome, right?
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Bill Landis
Really fired up. Yeah.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Death knell. Like what are you doing? How is that your first two games? It's difficult in this sport, Bill, because when teams give us what we want they also might be sabotaging themselves. And if Notre Dame just was going to play Texas A M in week eight and they had played whatever random team x Boston College in week three, they had a buy in between instead of Texas A M, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So I do. It's like we come on here and we rip Indiana and Penn State for scheduling three patsies in the non conference. But you know who's undefeated right now? Penn State and Indiana.
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Bill Landis
Right. It would have even been better I think if Notre Dame like say they still wanted to play Miami and A M in September. Get a little feel good game in between, figure some stuff out. It's like because even like it's nice I guess to have the week off in between. But I, I think you'd probably rather play somebody and, and build some momentum and build some confidence. And Notre Dame wasn't able to do that. And then it got back out on the field and yeah, it was a great game. It was a highly entertaining. It's the reason why we want to see teams like that play each other. But I think the unfortunate circumstance of Notre Dame's schedule this year with the way it stacks up is now you have to ask this question, are they done? And it's September 16th.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Now, the other problem with Notre Dame is they lost the feel good game last year. They lost to Northern Illinois. It's like, hey, what should you do in between Miami and Texas A M? It's like, I don't know, schedule a Mac team. And it's like, no, don't schedule a Mac team. Not a few. Notre Dame. Notre Dame's whole thing is that they have the big win and then they lose the feel good game. They lost to Marshall a couple years ago, so maybe there's now no answer. I do think they're good. I know that there's currently a debate happening with some of the AP pollsters who are still ranking 0 and 2 Notre Dame right now, and some people are outraged by that. I had a very specific way of voting back in the day. I actually don't exactly know what I would do with an 02 Notre Dame on an AP ballot this week. I. Yeah, I think maybe I would have them out because part of my rationale would be, well, if Notre Dame, they're 0 and 2, they haven't won. If they went oh and 12, but there are 12 losses. This is how I kind of game. I game it out sometimes in my debate about how you vote, if, like, okay, well, do wins matter or not? Well, no. Like, if you played great opposition and you played well and that should matter, I always think, well, if you were 0 and 12 and your 12 losses were to the top 12 teams in the country, would you have that 0112 team ranked 13th? And if your answer is no, of course I wouldn't rank an 0 and 12 team 13th, then I kind of think you shouldn't rank an 0 and 2 team. And when they become 1 and 2 or 2 and 2 or 4 and 2 or 6 and 2, they'll be back up. That's fine because you're letting the results do the talking. Would you rank an 0 and 12 team with losses the top 12 teams in the country 13th in your poll?
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Bill Landis
Bill? I don't think I would. No, I think you'd have to win a game to get. To get into my AP ballot. Yeah. Because I've been thinking. Right, right. I've been thinking about it too, and I don't, I don't think I would have ranked them. I, I suppose I see why you will, but I don't, I don't think it's right to put a team that doesn't have any wins yet in there after we've played three weeks of games. I was wondering, we're just looking up, as you were talking, like, when's the last time a team, what, like, was winless this far into the season and still ranked? And Ralph Russo, who's now at the Athletic, actually had it in his news story about the poll when it came out earlier this week. And his lead, his lead is Notre Dame became the first team in 37 years to start a season 0 and 2 and remain ranked. And then I scrolled down to see like, oh, who was that? When was it? It was Michigan in 1988, which is also the year I was born. So now I feel old because I was like 37. Seems like a long time ago. And I was like, well, that happened three months before I was born. Yeah.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Oh, look at that.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Congratulations. Congratulations. I've been 30.
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Bill Landis
Almost 37. Almost 37. Yeah. That Michigan team started the year number nine, lost by two points to number 13, Notre Dame, and then lost by one point at home to number one, Miami, and stayed ranked and then they didn't lose again the rest of the year and finished number four.
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Doug Lee Maurice
So the real answer to all of this, as we continue to have the low hanging fruit discussion about outrageous apartment voting, is as long if you have a rationale and a consistent standard for voting, I don't care whether you have Notre Dame ranked right now or not, as long as you have a reason for it and a reason that you will then apply equally to every team in the country and that will, you will then continue to evolve with the results over the course of the season. Because I think you could make a rational argument for ranking Owen 2 Notre Dame, and I think you can make a rational argument for not ranking them. Just have a good argument. And, and I don't think an argument is you're owing to you can't be ranked. I don't think that's a good enough argument. But I also don't think they lost two great teams. If they played two lousy teams, they'd be 2, 0. I don't, I also don't think That's a good enough argument. You need to go a step beyond that. And then also, by the way, this is the other problem with AP poll stuff is group think is the biggest problem in the poll. But what we do is yell at anybody who's not part of the group think.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, well, yes, but I, I think if you're not, if you're outside of the group think, which I know you often found yourself outside of, but as you said, can like back up your stance, then I think it's fine. Like, that's really, that's the only thing you can do is when you like go outside the group think, you're like, this makes no sense. There's absolutely no way you can defend it. And then maybe you choose not to defend it.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Right.
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Bill Landis
It's like, okay, well, maybe you shouldn't be part of this process. But no, I think so. It, what it was, it's two losses, one on the road, both to rank teams by a combined four points. Right?
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Doug Lee Maurice
Yeah.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Lee Maurice
And I think there has been. I certainly found it on Twitter and I was double checking that this person existed, but Terry McCauley, who's used to be one of the TV guys, who's a former official, who, who does stuff. I don't know if he does it anymore, but he has a Twitter account. I was like, is this the real guy? Is this a real guy? I, I definitely saw on his account, but I've seen other people talk about it. There was an absolutely egregious holding call on the fourth down. Game winning touchdown pass by Texas A M where the Texas A M center got beat. Or, or there was a defensive tackle who came through the line and the center tackled him. And then you could even see. I know Terry McCauley was doing. I think I saw other people doing it. You could go to the all 22 or whatever it is, and this official who should have been looking at it was looking at the right tackle. And this official who should have been looking at it was looking off to his left. And I think they've diagnosed that there isn't an official who saw it and decided, no, that's not a penalty. It's that nobody was looking at it. And that somebody made a mistake in that process of somebody's got to have eyes on that. And the reason I'm asking about it, Landis, is do you think if we get down to a nitty gritty playoff discussion at the end of the year, would it be reasonable to bring up in that room when you're discussing Notre Dame, and it's probably gonna have to be 10 and 2 Notre Dame that runs the table, because 9 and 3 Notre Dame with a schedule they have left, and we'll talk about it, probably is just out. But could you look at that and say, well, those are two tough games. They were both very close and they got boned by the refs and that. Like, it's egregious. And I know that we can't live that way all the time, but does this rise to the level of the exception to the rule? Let a missed call factor into your thinking.
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Bill Landis
I, I don't know that you can do that because you, you just said it. That just opens a can of worms that I'm not sure the playoff committee wants to open. Could you apply it secretly and not say it? Perhaps. But I don't think you want to publicly come out and use that rationale because then you'll just have everybody going back through every single game and documenting every questionable call and saying, what about this? What about this? What about this? And then that's a. That's a whole other problem that I'm not sure the committee wants to deal with.
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Doug Lee Maurice
So this is spectacular. For the people who miss the idea of college football teams having their seasons ruined in September, that legitimately, Notre Dame season might be ruined because their schedule might not be enough to get them in at 10 and 2. Here's who they have left this week. It's home against Purdue, then it's at Arkansas home, Boise State home, NC State home, USC off week at Boston College home, Navy at Pitt, home, Syracuse at Stanford. And if we go through that more specifically, Arkansas hung right with Ole Miss this past week, although Ole Miss was playing his backup quarterback but lost by a touchdown. Boise State's already lost to South Florida. Boston College lost to Stanford. This week. Pitt lost to West Virginia. And like, it's just hard to find the win that would impress anybody. It might come down to USC in the middle of the season. Like, USC has Illinois and Michigan in the two games before Notre Dame. I think Notre Dame has to be rooting pretty hard for USC to get to 5, 060 to get their three zero. Right now they have Michigan State at Illinois, home, Michigan before they play Notre Dame 6 0. USC would be the best opponent that, that Notre Dame has left and they have to be rooting for the Trojans.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, NC State's unbeaten, but I don't know that that says much. They've played East Carolina close, played Virginia close, played Wake Forest close. They just happened to Win all three of those games. Yeah. So I want to be holding my breath hoping that NC State suddenly becomes a quality win for Notre Dame. The other thing that's problematic for Notre Dame too is, is one, it's just light on, sort of like impact opponents. But then there's nothing after Halloween. Like there's like, there's not a, there's not an opportunity for. Here comes Notre Dame's late season surge. Can you believe that when they got around Thanksgiving on their way into the playoff, it's like, nope, there's going to be a whole lot of like November to the end of the season. Is BC Navy, Pit, Syracuse, Stanford, like there's, there's no juice there on the back end of that schedule.
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Doug Lee Maurice
So they play five ACC games a year. We were excited. We are excited that they're, they're playing all three northern ACC teams. It's not going to help them. I mean, unless bc, Pitt or Syracuse does something that doesn't look like they're prepared to do right now and somebody's going to be on pace for a 10 win season. But there's not a Clemson in there. There's not a Georgia Tech in there. They already played Miami. There's not a Florida State in there. Like this is the thing. You're the, the, they're playing the wrong ACC teams.
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Bill Landis
So they might have perhaps a ranked win against Navy, like if he like sneaks into like number 24 or something like that over the course of the season.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Do you have Notre Dame in your playoff bracket right now?
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Bill Landis
I do not.
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Doug Lee Maurice
No, I don't either. Obviously the context matters not. Do we agree, like it's 9 and 3 Notre Dame definitely no shot.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, right.
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Doug Lee Maurice
So they've got to run the table, which actually could happen. I think they are good enough to do that. They have to figure out the defensive stuff. C.J. cars played well, as you said. Running game is great. They got back to Jeremiah Love against Texas A M so they could do it. And then the question is, would that be enough? And then it depends who they're being compared to. I don't think it's over. But if they're being compared, if there's a nine and if they're, if they're kind of like the last 10 and 2 team getting compared to some 9 and threes, then they have a chance. If they are going head to head with other 10 and 2 teams, it is very likely that the, the 10 and 2 team they'd be going up against would have a better win than they're going to have the opportunity to have unless USC like makes the Big Ten championship game and all of a sudden they have a win over usc. And at the end of the year, USC is number seven with and their only losses to Notre Dame. So that's, that's. I don't think they're dead, but they, they need help.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I don't know. I think it'd be really tough attending to, to be put in over any 9 and 3 sec team because it's not going to help them because you're just going to get compared. They, they lost to A M. Right. It's not that they lost that game. They lost to an SEC team at home.
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Doug Lee Maurice
At home.
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Bill Landis
At home. Yeah. So that's tough. Could they potentially get in over a 9 and 3 Big Ten team? Yeah, but I don't know that it would happen against 9 and 3 sec.
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Doug Lee Maurice
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Bill Landis
Landis A little retail therapy.
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Bill Landis
I think it would have to cheer you up just a little bit. Yeah.
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Doug Lee Maurice
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Bill Landis
Yeah. People are obsessed is probably the right word with the, with the jersey sleeves. Yeah.
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Bill Landis
Yeah.
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Doug Lee Maurice
What's your playoff bracket? Why don't you reveal yours first and then we'll. We'll see how smart you seem.
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Bill Landis
Okay. Number one, I still have Ohio State. I will say I consider putting Miami there, but I did not. I have Miami too, Georgia 3, which is a big difference for me. Oregon. Oregon at 4. So those are my top four. Ohio State, Miami, Georgia, Oregon. 5. I have Penn State. 6. I still have Texas. We can talk about that if you'd like. 7. I have Florida State. 8, I have Utah. 9. I have Texas a M. 10. Oklahoma. 11 Illinois and 12 Tulane, which is a new G5 team.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Here's a new G5 for you. So that's three new teams in for you this week. Four new teams actually. You have Georgia in. You had them out last week. Texas A M in, Illinois in for the first time and switching from South Florida to Tulane. Let's run through mine because we wound up being pretty similar because we're kind of headed toward each other now. My latest playoff bracket, Ohio State 1. We're the same there. Miami 2. I've now moved up Miami. We're the same there. Texas 3. And we can talk about who we think is going to win the SEC. Oregon 4. So we agree on 1, 2 and 4. Penn State 5. Also the same as you, Georgia 6. So we basically just have Georgia and Texas. Flip flopped at 3 and 6. Utah 7. Texas A&M 8. Illinois. I've been on Illinois from the start. I have them at 9. Georgia Tech 10. I was on Georgia Tech at the beginning of the year. Off briefly. Got back on last week. I'm staying on. And then Missouri 11, South Florida 12. So just because South Florida lost to Miami, I'm not bailing on South Florida. My two new teams this week are Texas A and M and Missouri. Landis. I really, I just honestly not even to make fun of the sec. I don't know what to think of the sec.
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Bill Landis
No, neither do I. I was I. Because I think so. I have Georgia, Texas A M, Texas and Texas A M and Oklahoma. But I think you could have LSU in, you could have Auburn in probably if you're just trying to like project. If you think okay, the SEC is going to get three or four teams. I think there's, there's like a pool of seven or eight that you could reasonably try to project because it's just like it's. I thought there'd be clarity coming out of this weekend. Yeah, there really isn't. There's some interesting games like Oklahoma plays Auburn this week. So we'll continue to get clarity there. It's just, it's just much easier to define, I think the playoff pool for the Big Ten right now than it is the sec.
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Doug Lee Maurice
So I almost put Tennessee in off a loss because Tennessee should have beaten Georgia. Tennessee should have put Georgia away. Gunner Stockton had to make a great fourth down throw for their tying touchdown. They still had to make the two point conversion to tie it. And Tennessee missed a very makeable field goal in the last play of regulation that would have won the game for Tennessee. So like right now. FanDuel Odds and odds anywhere. George's number one. George is the favorite to win the SEC. Like I, I think they should have lost. So credit to them for Winning. But also, Tennessee let him off the hook a bunch of times. Then you have. There's no such thing as field goal defense. Tennessee, the kicker made the same kick in overtime that he missed. Right. So. And. And I thought Georgia's defense did not look like the Georgia defense that we are accustomed to seeing and I had then, offensively, I don't know if this is the arrival of Gunner Stockton, and he's here and he's their guy and he's off to the races and he's a Heisman favorite or if he made a good throw when they needed it. And that's what this is about. I'm not fully invested in Georgia. You have Georgia now as your SEC champ. Are you fully invested in Georgia?
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Bill Landis
No, not really. I just, like, I have to have an SEC champ, and I don't really know who to pick. I don't know who to pick at the moment. So, like, Jordan, I. I probably agree with you that Tennessee shouldn't be Georgia, but Georgia won. So, like, I'm just.
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Doug Lee Maurice
I'm.
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Bill Landis
I'm gonna change that spot a lot, I think. Yes. We go through this exercise, and I think that's okay. Like, it's a little volatile. I understand that. But I think that's okay as these leagues start to take shape. But no, like, I still think Texas can win the sec, right? Like, I have Texas, like, still in the SEC championship as my. As my 16. Because maybe the thing in the SEC that I feel best about is Texas's defense. Does that make sense? So, yeah, like, they're still figuring a lot out on offense, and Arch Manning's got to get right, but I didn't think Quinn Ewers played great for much of last season, and Texas still got to the SEC championship game. Game. So I still think there's very much a pathway there for. For the Longhorns to get to Atlanta. You know, I'm not. I'm not totally out on Alabama being in that mix. Lsu, like I said, Auburn, Oklahoma, like, they're all kind of there. But every week we do this, we will have to decide who we think the SEC champion will be. So this week for me, it's Georgia. Tune in next week to see who I think it might be.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Odds to win the SEC. Georgia plus 290. Texas plus 300. So basically tied Alabama 550, LSU 550. Then a jump to Texas A&M at plus 1200. Oklahoma plus 1300. Ole Miss plus 2000. So that's 20 to 1. Auburn also 20 to 1. Tennessee 30 to 1 Missouri, 30 to 1. And I think any of those could happen. I, I, and again, I just think we have to be careful and we have to call out the national conversation. I don't want to start the conversation here and say everybody in the SEC sucks because that would be just as biased and unfair. But I also think we have to be on alert for this lack of a great team being some kind of signal of SEC superiority. When I think you would look at Ohio State and Oregon and they clearly would be the best teams in the SEC right now. And I think you could argue Penn State, because Penn State hasn't played anybody. They've had some slow moments, but also their defense, I think has been really good across the board. So like we just. Right. I, I don't know. I think that, I think the conversation has been A lack of dominant team in the SEC is good, but I'm on alert for it.
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Bill Landis
I'm on alert for it too, because we're, we're not, I don't think we're far from. And I, I wasn't trying to go down that road even, but even I said like, well, there's like seven or eight teams you could consider to put in for the four playoff spots you think the SEC might have. Well, the answer is like, the answer is not to put all of them in. So I could, I could, I absolutely can see us having that conversation, especially if a lot of these games between the top of the sec, like we just saw with Georgia, Tennessee end up being really close. Right. So, yeah, I can, I'm, I'm already envisioning whatever. Auburn, Oklahoma, this week it's a field goal game and everyone thinks both teams are awesome, so. And like, maybe they will be. I'm not saying that that would be definitively false, but I, those conversations happen an awful lot in the sec and they don't really tend to happen anywhere else. So I, I, I'm ready for it. I don't think we're quite there yet, but it's coming.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Yeah, it might. It's not definitively false that they're both good. We cannot take it as definitively true, which is what we are on alert for.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Does it feel like very Likely the Big 12 is one a knit like to try to have a discussion about a second big or well, UT Texas Tech tell us a lot.
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Bill Landis
Yeah, I don't know. Like I, I see that that's a game where I could see like if that's close people coming away feeling really good about both those teams. If you look okay, it's, it's always hard to predict, right? Like what exactly the committee might take into consideration other than wins and losses. But like some of the underlying numbers favor both those teams like right now, like net success rate. Texas Tech and Utah are both very good and they could come out of that game and sit like in the same shape but one of them has to take a loss. So I could see them both being in there. I used to, I, I've had Iowa State and I've moved them out for now. I don't know. I don't know. I guess right now that there's like a path to two Big 12 teams. Unless it's Texas Tech in Utah. I know like in September it's probably, probably too, too much of an absolute to speak in. But I don't think the rest of the league is like really blowing anybody.
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Doug Lee Maurice
Away right now, which makes this huge game on Saturday like defining in a lot of ways. Texas Tech at Utah Big noon will be there noon eastern, 10am local start. So I, I will stop short of calling that a playoff playing game, but it is part of the September referendums and Illinois Indiana this weekend. I don't know if we have to stop short of calling it a playoff eliminator game. And listen, if Illinois loses to Indiana runs the table including win over Ohio State, they're going to make the playoff Right. So, sure, we don't want to go too far with it, but Utah, Texas Tech, and this is just one of those reminding people who think college football begins and ends with Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Ohio State. These are two gigantic games this weekend. Actually, there's three involving playoff contenders. Utah, Texas Tech, Illinois, Indiana and Nebraska. Michigan. And yes, Nebraska has the loss to Oklahoma. But if, if Michigan goes and wins at Nebraska and it feels like they're like, have released Bryce Underwood a little bit. We'll get into these much more on the Friday pick show. Landis, big games.
- [30:49]
Bill Landis
Yeah, this is a heck of a stretch coming up. I mean, for, especially for Illinois. I mean, look at it. Well, actually for both of them. So Indiana, Indiana's got Illinois, Iowa, Oregon and its next three. And Illinois and its next three has Indiana, a currently ranked USC team and then a place, Purdue, but then Ohio State's on the other side of that. So it does feel like an eliminator of sorts. I think maybe looking at the schedules that probably Indiana needs it more because Indiana also has to play Oregon and Penn State and Illinois plays Ohio State, but doesn't have to play Oregon or Penn State or, or Michigan and already has a win against an ACC team. So they could maybe be maybe rebound from a loss a little easier or at least have more opportunities to rebound for a loss than I think Indiana would.
- [31:37]
Doug Lee Maurice
Okay, so, like, a lot to be worked out. I feel, I feel fairly strongly. Indiana's favorite in that game, and Indiana has looked very good. Illinois not looking good for a half against Duke, but then finding a way to kind of hang in and then pulling away at the end. Illinois needs a great game from its offensive line, but like, I feel good about having Illinois in my playoff bracket right now. You added Illinois this week. Did you think about adding Indiana instead? Or when you put Illinois in your bracket, did you do so reluctantly at all?
- [32:15]
Bill Landis
No, it was one of those two. It was like, I was like, okay, Notre Dame's out. Notre Dame's out. I'm only going to have one Big 12 team. I'm gonna put a fourth Big 10 team in. It's one of those two. And.
- [32:26]
Doug Lee Maurice
Okay.
- [32:26]
Bill Landis
I haven't, I haven't 100 decided what my pick is yet for that game. But like, at the moment I'm leaning Illinois, so I put Illinois in my bracket.
- [32:33]
Doug Lee Maurice
Okay. Nebraska not in your head quite as much for that?
- [32:37]
Bill Landis
A little bit. No. A little bit. I'm excited to see them play Michigan. Yeah. And get a better feel for that. But no, they're. They're kind of lingering for sure. Yeah.
- [32:46]
Doug Lee Maurice
Now it's time to find some stuff out. Time to find some stuff out. We're going to do that this weekend. So we'll see you back on the Friday's Pick show where we'll break down and make picks for all those games. Again, I was horrible last week, so I gotta, I gotta get my head screwed on straight. But for now, we'll do this every Tuesday. Our latest playoff bracket. What where our head is about this wonderful sport that we enjoy covering so much. Thanks to you guys for being on the ride with us. Thanks to Roback man for jumping on board. We're excited to have them, right, Landis?
- [33:15]
Bill Landis
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
- [33:17]
Doug Lee Maurice
So we will see you guys soon here on the channel. We got some Matt Patricia videos coming, Brian Hartline videos coming and a gigantic show for our premium substack subscribers about Ohio State roster building that will drop on Wednesday afternoon. If you're listening on this pod, if you are watching on YouTube and you are not part of our substack experience, this might be a good week to try it for free over at Bill and Doug Substack. Google Machine. Go find it. Google Machine. And so it would be a good time to because we're really going to dive in on modern day roster building in a way that I think will be interesting. Ohio State's the team we're doing it with. But I think, Landis, it applies. What we're going to talk about applies to everybody these days. Yes.
- [34:09]
Bill Landis
Yeah. The increasingly changing college football landscape, how to navigate it and build a championship roster.
- [34:16]
Doug Lee Maurice
And like not how to navigate it from lawsuits. Yeah. Like how to navigate it as a fan to try to figure out what to think of what your team is trying to do. Because we don't, we want you to hold your team that you love to account. We don't want you to drive yourself crazy as a dedicated, educated, loyal fan when you're maybe thinking about things the way they used to be instead of the way they are right now. That's what we'll tell you about the Wednesday show. For now, thanks to you guys for being here. He's Bill Landis. I'm Doug Lee Maurice. And that was the Bill and Doug Show.