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The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
Carnell Tate's 40 time and why he is the best WR in the 2026 NFL Draft
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Carnell Tate is projected as the top receiver pick in the 2026 NFL Draft, and on this episode Cam White, who breaks down receiver film on Twitter at @RouteUniverse9 and on Instagram at @RouteUniverse, joins Doug Lesmerises to discuss why.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Welcome back to the Bill and Doug Show. Doug lemarie here to talk about receivers. And we're here with a guy who knows the position, who grinds the tape, who has some really interesting, strong opinions on Carnell Tate as a receiver, as an NFL draft prospect. He is Cam White joining us for the first time on the Bill and Doug Show. Cam, thanks so much for your time.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Cam. You. It is Route Universe 9 on Twitter. Is that right?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
That is correct. And Route Universe. Just Route Universe on Instagram.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, so what is. What does Route Universe mean? Like, you cover all the routes in the world. Like, Route Universe. That's like, all right, this guy knows what's up.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Correct. So basically, just the route tree. Just thinking about, just. It's universal. All routes are universal. They. They go into each other. So that's really how I came up with the idea.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, so you are out there on social media, grinding the tape on the receivers in this NFL draft. I know you like Carnell Tate. I know you like some other guys. Like, what is your background? How did you get into doing this? Like, how did you come to your knowledge about the receiver position?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Really? Since I played a little bit of Division 2 football, and then I went. I played in the Arena League, and then I also just got done playing in Mexico, and I've been training receivers really on and off when I was in college, so that's really what it came down to. And then I saw other receiver trainers that were training NFL guys and really just learned a lot from them and made it into my own style, and that's really what it's been going down to. So I understood that with training, you have to continuously know the position and continuously study not just drills, but how the game is played. So that's really how I got into the film work.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. And so you. You're in Texas right now, but you have Ohio connections, is that right?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
That is correct.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Grew up in Ohio.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I did. Yeah, I did. Yes, I did.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Browns. Browns fan. Brown.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Big Browns fan. Big Browns fans.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
You would. You would take Carnell Tate on the Browns maybe, right?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Yes. Right now? Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay. Okay. Which is what I saw again, like, you're. And I've been watching your stuff and. And you're doing really like it. Deep, insightful breakdowns on all these receivers in the draft class. But obviously you.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
When you. When you're doing that, you. You have to involve Carnell Tate. And you've had some really interesting breakdowns and strong opinions of Carnell Tate. And I asked you like last week if you'd be willing to come on our show. And we're so appreciative of your time. And then we went to the combine and then, like, there started to be like a Carnell Tate kind of deal here. And so I do want to talk to you about the discussion point around Carnell Tate coming out of the combine. He was timed officially at a 4.53 of the 40 yard dash. Adam Schefter and some other people after the fact said they talked to NFL teams who their hand times had him more in like the more 4 Mitt, 4.45, 4.46. I've seen other people saying, like, well, everybody has hand times and sometimes they're lower, sometimes they're higher. Why are they just only talking about that with Carnell Tate and Mike Florio and Adam Schefter kind of had like a thing on Twitter about Carnell Tate's 40 time. And so they can do have their little discussions and their disagreements and that's fine, right? In your opinion, what does it mean, if anything, that Carnell Tate ran a 4.53 electric time at the combine.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
To be honest, it doesn't really matter to me because straight line speed. That's great. That is great.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
But.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
But when you're watching Carnell tape, whether it's on TV or the film, he has functional speed. And that's what you want in a. In a receiver. He looks like he runs a four, four running routes. That's what you want. I will take that anytime, any day. Any day. So it doesn't really matter to me because the 40. The 40 stance isn't even natural as a receiver position anyway. So.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Were there ever times when you were watching Carnell's film where you've ever felt to yourself like, man, I wish this guy had a little bit more of a burst, had a little bit more speed here.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I mean, we can wish that about anybody. I wish some people were six, five. You know, we wish about, you know, but it is what it is. He's got good height, he's got good length, and he has good speed.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
He does like, he has good speed. That's not like his primary. And we've seen guys at the combo. We see guys go run 4, 2, 3, and they don't have like any receiver skill. Right. So it's like. But that's not, I think, the point you're making here. And I think a lot of Ohio State fans who watched him his whole career would agree. Like, it is not raw speed. That is the first trait that you would think about with Carnell Tate. It's not like his game is predicated on only running by guys, correct?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Correct. He has the ability to run by you, but that's based off his route nuance. He's not asked to do that consistently. Based on what he can do as a route runner, he can run by you, not just straight line speed.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay, so we want to get into some of the specifics here with Carnell then. But, but, but before we do, I mean, this is an easy thing. Reporters always ask guys, like, is there anybody compare Carnel? Does he remind you of anybody? And maybe not. Maybe he's his own guy, but is there a comparison that you would make?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I do think he's his own guy, but I do see two. Two guys that are. That have been great in this league in him. As far as traits. Number one being devonte Adams, I see a lot of his route nuance releases and his ability to be a consistent catching the football. That's one. And also I heard a rumor I'm not sure if it's true, but that he studies his. That he studies his film and that he models his game after him. So that would make sense, especially with the number as.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, that's interesting.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Another one is AJ Green, mainly because of the size and the frame and the catch radius.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, those are two good comparisons. And again, guys who are not, like, pure speed burners, but they have the whole package as receivers, so that's. That's a good place to start. And I think it just. It helps fans sort of understand sometimes what we're talking about with guys. What, like, as you've broken down this receiver class, what do you think of the class as a whole? Is it. Is it a great class? Is it pretty good? Is it below average? What do you think?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I would say it's better than what people think. A lot of people think there's only three guys that will hit. I think there are guys that people are not really paying attention to that if they land in a good situation or the right situation, we could be talking about this class possibly being one of the best we've seen in recent years.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Interesting. As we think about that mock draft database right now, it's just, you know, consensus opinion of, like, what people are projecting. Carnell Tate, top receiver, number 8 overall player, Makai Lemon from USC, number 2 receiver, number 12, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. Number 3 receiver, number 13, Denzel Boston from Washington, number 4 receiver, number 21. Is there any doubt in your opinion that Carnell Tate's the best receiver in this class? Or do you think they're like, a guy like Makai Lemon could make a push there?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Makai Lemon is a great receiver. Absolutely. Absolutely. But Cardinal Tate, in my opinion, is by far and wide the best receiver in this class.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay. I don't think I would disagree with that either. And it is, like, been remarkable to watch it. And like, Cam, we talk. Obviously, we're talking about Carnell Tate. All year covering Ohio State, we were saying things like, simultaneously, is Jeremiah Smith the best receiver in the history of Ohio State football? And is Carnell Tate as good as him? Like that when Carnell Tate was, like, really doing his thing this year, it was like, well, we know what we think Jeremiah Smith is, but you saw Carnell and the combination of being a guy who can be a deep threat and be explosive, but also, I think, does these other things as receivers, and it was like, are these the two best receivers in the country? Like, how much different is their difference is there between these guys? Like, just totally Broad question, like, what is it that you really like about Carnell Tate?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
What I like about him is that he's able to do a lot of everything. He does everything well. He does absolutely everything well. People talk about he's not as physical. The best receivers have. The best have a way of just being finessed, but also being physical, turning it on and off when need be. I love that he's able to do that. And he doesn't have a set skill set you can just place on him. He does multiple things well.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Yeah. Because sometimes right guys get lumped as, like. Like you're a deep threat or you're like a, you know, a guy who can go over the middle and that kind of thing. You think Carnell can fit all those roles?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Correct? Correct. I absolutely do. He does a lot of things well, again, okay.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Because I do think, like, when you think about Carnell Tate this year, you know, like some of, like the. The play between the double coverage in the end zone, like a leaping catch 45 yards down the field, like that to me is sort of like the epitome of Carnell Tate, that it is a deep ball, but yet he has to be physical in the moment. He's beaten two guys. He's winning, like, at. Up high, right at the point of the catch, like. Like that. It's speed and its physicality and its route running. I do think some. Do you think sometimes there are receivers, even if they're great, who are kind of really good at one thing, that that can be a trait that guys have, that they're either a deep threat over the. Or they're, you know, a third down over the middle kind of guy.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Absolutely. I mean, there could be something that they're primarily good at, but if they still do a lot of other things, well, it's almost unfair to just make. Make. Make them seem like they're only good at one thing, if that makes sense. That's how I kind of view Cornell.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
And you think, like, is there any doubt in your mind that Carnell Tay is like a number one go to receiver for an offense in the NFL?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Absolutely. But it also depends where he lands as well. I think if we're talking for the Cleveland Browns, I think he's undoubtedly your ex. He's your number one guy because of what they've been lacking in that room and what they need. Now. If he does. If he does go before them to the Giants, then he would be kind of in the same role he's in right now. So it would be. It would Be interesting.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Tate neighbors, man, that'd be crazy, right?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Holy moly, what a situation that would be for him.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Yeah. If. If he doesn't go to the Browns. I've seen a couple people mock him to the Chiefs at nine. What do you think that might unlock for him? Having a guy like Patrick Mahomes thrown to him?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
That is, that is almost, you could say, the best case scenario for him as a receiver. I mean, he said he's been saying he wants to play with Josh Allen and and other quarterbacks, but playing with Pat Mahomes, even though he may not be ready at the season, knowing you're on his team, that will elevate you from the jump. That would be exciting.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
That would be crazy. As we think about sort of. Well, in talking about this, right. The idea of, like, you know, to God, I got to be an X to be a number one receiver, like the go to guy when if you're drafted in the top 10, obviously, like, you're, you're considered that way.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Right.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Is there difficulty in evaluating Carnell Tate because he was playing opposite of Jeremiah Smith? How does that factor in at all, if at all, to your evaluation of him?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
That's actually a good question. How I, how I look at that is coverages still need to be beat. So that, that's how it is right then and there. And mind you, they switch sides as well. Even though the coverage is some, sometimes they do target Jeremiah, they still have to be beat. And once you get past that, then you're able to actually look at, okay, what is he doing off of the release? Is he getting to his debt? Is he getting out of his brakes? That's how you're able to differentiate that. I can't really look at saying, oh, he's on the opposite side of Jeremiah Smith. I can't really grade him as a number one that. I feel like that's a fallacy.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Like, did you, as you were, have been breaking down his film? How did you. Did you get us. How would you evaluate how, like, defenses tried to deal with Carnell Tate? Right. Like what, what did you think of? Did he have like an extra guy over him a decent amount of the time? Like, was he in man to man coverage? Very much. What did you think of the defenses against him?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I saw a lot of man to man. There were some, there were actually some times where the safety did go over the top and was on top of him. But again, it's, it's. It varied so much just because you got you have all that talent. It's hard to really key in on just one guy the entire time. Even Jeremiah Smith. It's hard because then if you key on him, then you got Carnell Tate tearing up his turf and whatnot.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
So, yeah, okay.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
I feel like you, you, you want to get to this point and you're like, doug, can we finally talk about that? Can we talk about Carnell Tate's route running? It feels like you like the route running, right? Is it good? This is. He's good at running routes. I'm not good at asking about running routes. So how good, like, if you're trying to evaluate him, like, how good of a route runner do you think Carnell Tate is? Do you think it's one of his strengths? You think he's one of the, like, would he go in and be one of the best route runners in the NFL? Is it like, is he good? Is he pretty good at it? Is he average at it? What's he like?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
He's really good at it. He's absolutely good at it. He does. Again, he does everything well. There's not many indicators. A lot of guys, even Tom Brady, talked about it in the, in the super bowl with Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. His shoulder plane rarely rises when he's getting to the top of his route and into. Into his break. So that's something that defenders can't even key in on because you're not giving any indicators he rarely does it. There's been instances, but every receiver does it. It's just about how much you minimize those indicators. So I, I really, I really do feel like as long as to improve, he can be a top 10 to 12 route running in the league. I, I truly believe.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Well, how does somebody, like, get good at that, do you think? If Jackson, Smith and Jigba has that trait and you also see it in Carnell Tate, is this just something that Brian Hartline was teaching at Ohio State that they were focusing on, make sure you don't have these indicators to give things away? Or is it just like a, is it a coincidence that we're talking about two guys who went to the same college that have the same ability to sort of disguise that?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I don't think it's really a coincidence at all. I think it comes down to coaching and then who they train with. I mean, I even see in Jeremiah being 6:4 and how he's able to continuously stay in his, in his burst and just snap a route down without even giving an indicator. Mind you, he's six four.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
You.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
You feel like you'd be able to tell when he's about to break, but at times you can't really, because he has good coaching, he's been working hard, and he has good trainers in the off season.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay. What do you think of Carnell's releases off the line?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I, I. To be honest with you, I want to see a little bit more. I do like, I do like that. He's very finesse and he does have the technique. I just want to continue to see it grow. That's what it is. But it's nothing. It's nothing to slide. There's nothing negative about his releases, but
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
there's a chance, like, there could. There's even more there potentially that he could even.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Absolutely. There's so much more. There's so much more. Again, I see a lot of Devonte Adams and his finesse game, and if he's able to continue to improve this, it could be real interesting.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. I think the number one thing when I think about Carnell Tate is his is his hands, right? And it feels to me that they are, like, simultaneously, like, powerful but also pillowy. That, like, he just, like, he, I feel like he can get up there, like, again, we're talking about the, the shot in the end zone between two guys. I feel get up there and, like, win a battle with his hands, but I also feel like it, like, if you're hitting him, he's just, he's it feels like he's always catching with his hands. He's not letting get stuff through his body and he just like is it just. He makes it look easy. When you can watch college football, major college football and you see guys dropping balls all over the place and Carnell Tate does not do. Are there any drops in there? Did you. Are there any drops in your film that you watch? It's none or very few, right?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Very few there. It's. It's not prevalent in this game. It's just not what he does. I see a lot of just going for the football coming back to the ball. For instance, against Texas he ran a comeback route. Julian, Julian saying was getting hit rolling out out of the pocket and he threw it before Carnell was out of his break. Carnell basically ran a five yard comeback because he had to come back to it. But that just shows the fact that he's working back to the football. The defender was trailing behind him and he still had his hands far wide away from the defender. That's what you want and that you talking about how they're strong but also soft like pillows. Is is perfect. It's perfect.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
The and I feel like it stands out. And it's funny. He did have a drop in the 2024 Michigan game that was like kind of critical when they lost to Michigan in that game. But this is. But it's primarily 2025. Right. I mean this is when he really exploded as a receiver. But I almost think I I as a non expert in it, I would think I don't know that I've seen an Ohio State receiver with better hands. Like what. What do you look for or how would you describe what. What having great hands means to a receiver?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Right.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
And do you think Carnell does stand out compared to a lot of guys you've looked at?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Yes. What great hands means is that you're reliable. If you're able to consistently catch the football and drops are just never on the menu for you. That means you are a reliable target. And when in critical situations we can go to you. Now as far as the draft, I do think he has the best hands. One, because he doesn't have any focus drops, two, because he's attacking the ball consistently and three is because I a lot of times I see him looking the football in. A lot of guys when they have concentration drops, as soon as they touch the football they're already, they're already worried about dodging a defender or getting upfield. He looks the ball in for the most part. That is key. And I think that goes back to how he was trained and how he was coached at Ohio State.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, that's very interesting. Focus drops, right? That's what you're. That's just like you. And we, I think we all know what that looks like. But like that to you is just. It's there and you're trying to run before you catch it. Is that what you mean by that?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
It is an epidemic in football right now.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Yes, it is. It is. Can you coach that out of a guy or if you were looking at a guy in the draft as an NFL team, would you be worried about that or would you think, okay, we see that, but we can help him improve on that?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
It really just depends on how you feel about the guy overall. If he does everything else well and you just see only concentration drops, You've seen him go up and be able to catch it in traffic. You've seen him, you've seen the route nuance and everything. I feel like as long as you believe in your coaching step, I think, yeah, I think you still could get over that. But it also goes back to. It needs to be a primary focus, not just the footwork drills. Hand eye coordination needs to be a key factor in his off season training before practice and after practice.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, okay. Carnell's already there, though. We don't have to worry about Carnell. This is a difficult question to ask and I, and I didn't put this on the list of things we might talk about. When you looked at Carnell after he came back from his injury for the Michigan game, the Indiana game, the Miami game, if you looked at any film from that, compared to where he was, and you think about where he and Jeremiah were in the Penn State game when they Both had over 100 yards receiving, they both had a touchdown in that game. And it was like, this is like as good as receiver play gets. And Terry Smith, the interim coach for Pen, said, like, these are the two best guys that have come through this great Ohio State run of receivers. Did you see anything different from Carnell, if you noted that at all? And I guess my question is, do you think he was still like limited in any way when he came back by the fact that he was recovering from an injury?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I can't say for certain, but I would say it's possible because he, he had a lower leg injury, correct?
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Yeah.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Yeah, those could, depending on what it is, those could factor into those games. But I, I don. Obviously didn't stop him from playing it then.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Pop on. You Weren't like, oh, my God, this guy looks like half as good as he used to. Okay, that's. That's the main thing. Yeah. Okay.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
For sure. For sure.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
So let's think about this from a draft perspective then.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Right.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
You know, positional value is obviously always a conversation when you think about the best players available in this draft. How valuable, like, how high would would you be willing to go to draft Carnell Tate, if teams view him as a number one receiver, does it make sense to you for him to be the number five pick, the number six pick to the Browns like is in the way the NFL works right now? Is that good value to take a receiver like Carnell there?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
In my opinion, yes. Because if you like a guy, you go get him, whether it's at number three, number two, number four, and so on. Absolutely. Because I feel like he fits everybody's needs. If they need a receiver that can do what he needs, he can. He can facilitate. Again, he does everything well. So why wouldn't you want someone like that, especially that has the height, that has the coaching, that has had the greatest coaching that you can have at, in college at receiver and he's. And he's played great competition. I don't feel like it would ever be an overdraft to get him at three, four, and so on.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. If he's there at six, I mean, again, context matters. But if he's there at 6, do you think the Browns should take him?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
No doubt about it.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
No doubt about it. Because again, you know, the Browns, as. As a Browns fan, you think that's a need for them and that. What do you think it would do for their offense to have a number one receiver like him?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Having a guy that reliable, that doesn't drop footballs is something the Browns have not seen in many years. It would open up a lot. It would help the line. Even though the line can't be fixed in one year, having. Having an elite receiver or a receiver that can get open like that can open up a lot in your offense. It can help alleviate pressure off of your line, trying to protect the quarterback for four or five seconds. Because now, now you got somebody that can separate. Now you have more people that can separate on the outside. So it would be amazing, honestly.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay. I. I think there's probably a lot of Browns fans who are. Would be agreeing with what you're saying right now. It's always a difficult decision. Right. When you need skill guys and you need offensive linemen and you're trying to fix the offense and we know the defense has been so good. It's like, where do you start? I mean, right. Was, was. It's many years ago now, but it was the decision, like Penne Sewell as a tackle versus Jamar Chase as a receiver, like, which way do you want to go? And then it turns out, right, like Penne Sewell, Jamar Chase. There was no wrong answer there. But it's, it is a little bit on like the, the strategy of do you build the line first and then get your receiver, or do you go get the skill guys when you can get them right? I. As you, as you broke down Carnell, was there like a, Is there a particular route that you thought was his best or a thing that, like the way that Ohio State used him, did you like him, did you like him best when they're trying deep shots to him or there. Is there another route that you thought he ran really well?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
His deep threat ability is really slept on by a lot of people. So that's why I really think he excels at running comebacks, because he's able to sell, like he's running a fade or a goal ball, and the way he's able to snap his hips down and get out of the route is, is. Is ridiculous. That's how he's able to always get open on those routes. So I do think, in my opinion, what I've seen, it's a comeback because of his deep threat ability. He's able to sell it and then come back to the football. It's. It's beautiful.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
That's interesting that, that again, you don't have to run a 4:3 to be a deep threat, but then when you're a complete receiver, you open up the other routes by them having to respect your deep threat ability, and then it kills you on this.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Correct. Correct.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay. It's going to be a conversation a year from now. And as you've been watching Carnell Tate, what kind of NFL prospect, in the end, do you think Jeremiah Smith will be? Do you have an opinion on that? At this point? As you have been breaking down all the NFL receivers in this draft, what do you think might be coming with JJ
- [26:43]
Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
beyond an elite prospect? I. I can't. I can't help but just pay att. Even when Carnell does. Doesn't get the ball and he breaks off a defender that Jeremiah Smith is, is getting the football and running 30 plus yards down the field. It's, It's. It's ridiculous. Just watching, watching that man run routes, it's crazy. He's 6 4. The route nuance he has is undeniable already and he's still raw. And that's the scariest thing I think. I think that's for college football and his in his future in the NFL. He's still raw and still running great routes.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Yeah.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Do you think like a receiver like that? Do you think a year from now JJ should be in the conversation for like the overall number one pick pick? Can a receiver be that valuable?
- [28:15]
Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I think so. When you have that type of prospect and you have that type of talent, that rarity, I feel like, yeah, it's definitely possible, but I understand, I understand the need of quarterbacks. I get that. But if you have a team that needs a receiver, I think situationally he can be. He can be the number one pick for sure. For sure.
- [28:32]
Doug Lemarie (Host)
Yeah. Can I ask you about a couple other guys that I think you've broken down in this draft that I'm, I'm particularly intrigued by? You've done some Omar, Omar Cooper stuff, right? From Indiana, correct?
- [28:44]
Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Yes.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
What's your vibe on Omar Cooper? And I will say my co host, Bill, who's not, not here on this show. During the course of the season, when Elijah Surratt was, you know, the number one receiver for Indiana and Charlie Becker was getting a lot of love and Bill was like, I think Omar is the best receiver on this team. Like, I know they throw the ball to Surratt a lot, but now we've seen this, there's been an evolution, I think, with the way people view Cooper. As you broke down Omar Cooper, what did you think?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I. I agree. I think he's the best receiver on Indiana, but a lot of people don't really understand how he was used. He was asked to do certain things, and I think that's why a lot of people are questioning his route tree. Does he have the ability to run these routes just because he didn't run Them a lot. But in his other routes, you're able to see the nuance of those particular routes. So you can kind of guesstimate that he can do those other routes. But again, I have him compared to. Just imagine Jarvis landry running a 4:4:2. He plays extremely physical. He's extremely physical. He has a route tree. He, I, I guess he ran 21.9 miles an hour. That's. That's extremely fast. And it showed in the show during the combine. I enjoyed watching his tape. He. He's reliable on a screen game. Every single screen I saw. It was positive yards. It was ridiculous.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, okay, okay. And then another guy that I've liked for a couple years is Denzel Boston at Washington. Is that a guy that you've had a chance to break down and what's your view on him?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
I saw a lot of his tape. I love that he's reliable catching the football, strong hands and the ability in the scramble drill. He is a menace at that. He's able to know when he has to go up, he has to go to the sideline. If he's already in the end zone, the nuance on that is impeccable. I love what I see from him on that. He's just a reliable guy and he does have a route tree. Being that big and, and tall, it's crazy.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay, okay. I really like Denzel. And then another guy. This is an SEC guy, but I, I've seen you having conversations about him. Chris Brazil from Tennessee. You love. Sure guy, man. You love this guy. And this is maybe projected more like a second round pick, but what do
- [30:50]
Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
you think of this guy, Chris Brazil? I could go on for days about the, about that man. He's 65 with a. I've never seen, I've never seen that tall of a receiver run routes like he's 6:1. It is absolutely insane when I, when I, when I just turned on the first game, like the way he's able to run routes, it's scary. And then I saw him against off coverage. A guy was 10 yards off. He beat him by 3 or 4 yards. And that's why I saw the 4, 3 speed. I said he should be able to run a 43 based off his tape. But again he. People say he went to Tennessee. They haven't worked out. They haven't panned out that well in the NFL. Don't look at him. But we got to pay attention and see what he did against Georgia, what he's. What he did against Kentucky, what he did against all the sec, he had a great year and I, I do think it's possible based off need, that he could slide into the early first round.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay, that's interesting again, like, I like the idea that you said off the top that, like, maybe this is. This is a receiver class that's better than people think. Right. Which I think is an interesting, interesting way to think about it. We'll let you out of here on this, Cam. And we certainly appreciate your expert, your time. If you were like you. You were employed as a scout and you're in the room with the Browns, let's say, and. And Tate's on the board. Like, what would be your last pitch of like, cam, we're thinking about taking this guy, but, like, we need the 32nd pitch on Carnell Tate and why we should pick him and why you think he's going to be successful in the NFL that we're on the clock, man. We got to go. Make your pitch. Cam, tell us on Carnell, the pitch
- [32:25]
Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
would be, look at his coaching. He's had the best coaching in all of college. He's already great at everything he does. And we haven't had a guy like that. We haven't had a guy that we've drafted early in the first that can come in right away and be the guy. And not to mention he can help Jerry Judy elevate back to what he was in 2024. It's. It'd just be the greatest thing you could do, especially with the Rising Tide and you haven't Fantasy Quinn, Sean Junk is getting healthy and with our pick at 24, you can still help this line be great. It would be. It would just be a great thing, in my opinion.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
Okay. Okay. Cam White, tell the folks again where they can find you, where they can find your receiver breakdowns.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Yes. So I am on Twitter, Route Universe 9 and I am also on Instagram. It's just Route Universe.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
All right, Very cool. You know, if this happens, man, we're gonna say that like you manifested it like, Cam White made Carnell Tate a Brown. They're gonna have a par area if this actually happens. But it sounds like either way, it feels like Carnell is a top 10 pick and it feels like he's gonna have a. Obviously a chance when you are that to make an impact right away in the NFL, so.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Right.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
And he's. I think he's gonna make it, man. I think that. I think that kids. I think that kid's got a shot. You know what I'm saying?
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Like, I think I agree. I think he does, too.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
He's Cam White.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
He.
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Doug Lemarie (Host)
He's in charge of the entire route universe, and he's breaking down receivers as well as anybody out there. So, Cam, thank you so much for giving us some of your time and your knowledge here, man.
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Cam White (Receiver Analyst)
Thank you so much for the time. I appreciate it, Doug.
- [33:58]
Doug Lemarie (Host)
All right. For Cam White, I'm Doug Lay. Maurice. Thanks to you guys for watching and listening. And that was the Bill and Doug show.
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