College Football Playoff First Round Recap: Are Oregon, Miami, Alabama or Ole Miss Natty threats?

Summary

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The Bill and Doug Show: College Football Playoff First Round Recap

Podcast: The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk (Blue Wire)
Episode: College Football Playoff First Round Recap: Are Oregon, Miami, Alabama or Ole Miss Natty threats?
Date: December 21, 2025
Hosts: Doug Lesmerises & Bill Landis

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Episode Overview

In this lively, insight-driven episode, Doug and Bill break down the first round of the 2025 College Football Playoff. They assess whether any of the advancing teams—Oregon, Miami, Alabama, or Ole Miss—have the makings of national championship (“natty”) contenders. Throughout, they focus both on the on-field action and the “big picture,” especially as it relates to Ohio State’s upcoming matchup against Miami. The tone is conversational, candid, and at times playfully irreverent, providing Buckeye fans (and broader CFB audiences) both sharp analysis and wry perspective on a new-look playoff landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Are Any First-Round Winners National Title Threats?

[01:17]

• Oregon impresses the most; the hosts aren't sold on any other first-round winner as a true national title contender.
  • Bill Landis: “I thought Oregon was coming in. I certainly don’t feel different about that based off how they’re playing right now.”
  • Ole Miss gets credit for not falling apart as predicted, but the overall first-round lacked any breakout powerhouses.

2. Miami’s Defense: Cotton Bowl Implications

[02:01–05:24]

• The hosts dissect Miami’s gritty, pass-rush-heavy win over Texas A&M.
  • Miami’s defensive front, led by Akeem Mezador (11 pressures) and Rueben Bain (7 pressures) dominated A&M’s veteran O-line.
    • Doug: “Those numbers are overwhelming… almost creating a nonfunctional offense for Texas A&M.”
    • Bill: “If you’re Miami, you want your offensive and defensive lines to look fresh and be the thing that stands out—definitely the case.”
  • Miami’s defense is likely the second-best Ohio State will face this year (behind Indiana).
• Miami’s offense didn’t blow anyone away; running back Mark Fletcher was extremely productive but underused.

3. Quarterback Play: Comparison and Impact

[06:10–09:05]

• Julian Sayin (Ohio State), Dante Moore (Oregon), and others are discussed in the context of clutch performances and accountability.
  • Sayin’s ball security and decision-making stand out among this round’s QBs.
    • Doug: “Competent quarterback play in the quarterfinals is going to be…a decider.”
    • Bill: “There’s a lot of [bad decisions]…I just don’t know that you’re going to get that from Sayin or Mendoza [Indiana].”
  • This year’s first-round QB play across the field is considered “mid,” reminding listeners what a reliable QB is worth.

4. Comparing Playoff Structures & Teams: 2024 vs. 2025

[09:05–13:11]

• Last year’s 5-8 seeds (Ohio State, Notre Dame) were much better than this year’s (Oklahoma, Texas A&M).
  • Doug: “Last year the 7 and the 8 were true Northern champions…this year, 7 and 8 were mid SEC teams who lost at home.”
• This round produced competitive games, but not because of higher quality; it was partly weaker teams.
• First-round entertainment value is up, but fewer teams seem truly capable of making deep runs.

5. What Makes a Good First Round?

[13:11–16:07]

• Compare to NCAA basketball tournament: early rounds are messy but entertaining.
• The first round doesn’t need to be perfect—sometimes “bad football” is still fun to watch as a neutral.
  • Bill: “I had a blast watching that game [Miami vs Texas A&M]. It wasn’t good football, but it was a lot of fun.”

6. Separators: Which Teams Have the X-Factor?

[16:07–18:59]

• Most playoff teams are “defense first”; offensive difference-makers are rare.
  • Bill’s thesis: “Here’s a secret about the playoff: everyone’s defense first.”
• Names like Julian Sayin (Ohio State), Fernando Mendoza (Indiana), and Malachi Tony (Miami) stand out as potential offensive “separators.”

7. Miami’s Rushing Attack: Overrated vs. Texas A&M?

[18:59–20:21]

• Bill is skeptical Miami can just hand the ball to Mark Fletcher vs. Ohio State and find success (A&M’s defense was porous).
  • Bill: “I would say no…what we saw Miami running-wise was more about A&M than Miami. No one’s really run it that well on Ohio State this year.”

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8. SEC Performance & Perception

[20:21–22:39]

• Alabama’s wild but ugly comeback win over Oklahoma draws skepticism.
  • Doug: “I thought it was an embarrassment for the SEC…Oklahoma gave that game away to a large extent.”
• SEC’s five playoff teams (“hit every lily pad across the pond”) did not impress.
  • Doug: “Sometimes I have a hard time convincing people it’s not a bit. I think the SEC is that mediocre, and I thought we got a lot of proof this weekend.”

9. Quarterfinal Matchups: What Excites?

[24:16–28:26]

• Oregon-Texas Tech is the most intriguing game; both programs symbolize upward mobility and CFB’s shifting landscape.
  • Bill: “Two teams representative of the changing dynamics within the sport and upward mobility…maybe two better examples than Oregon and Texas Tech.”
• Indiana-Alabama is compelling due to storyline (Kalen DeBoer coaching connections, Indiana’s depth concerns).
  • Indiana missing key defenders (Stephen Daly, possibly Omar Cooper) could tilt the game.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

“You just have to remind yourselves, especially when we come at it from an Ohio State perspective, that a program at the top of the sport…their fan bases have these opportunities to engage at the highest level…This was Miami’s biggest win, biggest game since the ’02 national championship.”
— Doug, [31:23]

“If you’re Notre Dame or Notre Dame fan and you’re upset about how things broke out…well, maybe you should have thought about that before you set the structure the way it is.”
— Bill, [33:32]

“I don’t think there are 12 national championship contenders in a year. Actually, I don’t know that there ever have been or ever will be. But that doesn’t mean…that 12 is too many.”
— Doug, [36:22]

“It’s just like, it is. This sport is changing in some very interesting ways.”
— Doug, reflecting on QB transfers (from Ferris State, BYU, etc.) and evolving team composition, [44:23]

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Key Timestamps

• Miami’s Defensive Dominance vs. A&M — [02:01–05:24]
• Quarterback Accuracy: Sayin, Mendoza, Moore — [06:10–09:05]
• Playoff Seed Quality 2024 vs. 2025 — [09:05–13:11]
• Entertaining But Flawed First Round — [13:11–16:07]
• “Everyone’s Defense First” Playoff Thesis — [16:25]
• Miami’s Run Game Limitations — [18:59–20:21]
• SEC Underwhelms — [20:21–22:39]
• Quarterfinal Matchups Overview — [24:16–28:26]
• Value of Playoff Home Games & Cinderella Hopes — [31:23–36:22]
• Closing: Sport is Evolving — [44:23–end]

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Takeaways

• Oregon is the only clear “Natty Threat” from round one; the rest are dark horses at best.
• Miami’s defense poses the biggest test for Ohio State—but their offense, even with a strong RB, may struggle against elite fronts.
• Quarterback stability and decision-making will define the next playoff round, and Ohio State & Indiana have an edge.
• This year’s first-round teams are weaker than last year’s, leading to less top-tier football, but competitive and entertaining games nonetheless.
• The SEC struggled in the spotlight, and the playoff structure’s quirks led to matchups that might not be the best proof of capability.
• Quarterfinal preview: Oregon-Texas Tech is the game to watch; Indiana-Alabama looms with coaching intrigue but potential roster concerns.
• Big picture: Playoff expansion brings fun, fresh experiences for fanbases (like home playoff games), though true title contenders remain few.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a sharp, up-to-date lay of the Playoff land—especially for Ohio State fans, but plenty of big-picture CFB insight, lively banter, and context for matchups, roster dynamics, and the evolving nature of the sport. No SEC or Southern bias here—just unvarnished, balanced, often Buckeye-flavored football talk.

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Transcript

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[Doug LeMaurice]

Foreign. Welcome back to the Bill and Doug Show. Doug Le Maurice and Bill Landis with a recap from round one of the College Football Playoff. Bill Landis, Anyone playing in the first round looking like a natty contender?

[Bill Landis]

I mean, I thought Oregon was coming in. I certainly don't feel different about that. Based off how they're playing right now, I don't know that I am overly impressed with anybody else who won today, you know? Well, I guess I'll, you know, give Ole Miss credit where it's due. We thought they might be in shambles, and they weren't. But aside from that, no, not really.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. Are we mad on the. Is this gonna be a mad show? Is this a mad James Madison and Tulane show? I just want to make sure I get a lay of the land before we really get into it. Are we mad or. No, I'm not mad. No, I'm not mad, though. All right, we'll see if anyone's mad. I'm in my. This is my alternate life as a. As a random news reporter at random news station X, reporting live from random place, saying random things I don't want to be.

[Bill Landis]

Is it a black suit or a navy suit?

[Doug LeMaurice]

It's just a blue blazer and a light blue tie. Yeah. Yeah. The suit I have is, like, from 1989 and is, like. Like, is gigantic and looks like I would wear it to the NBA draft in 1993. So I have to wear a blazer. So I. So let's Start with the Miami Hurricanes who defeated the Texas A and M. Is it Aggies, I believe is their nickname. This is the team that's going to play Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl. It was windy at that game. I guess it was so windy nobody could throw a pass except to the other team when it mattered. But Miami's defense. Did Miami's defense pique your interest in a way, Bill Landis? That should pique the interest of Ohio State and Ohio State fans going into this cotton ball?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, I think a little bit, you know, not. Not in a surprising way. I know I certainly, when I was looking sort of at the lay of the land for Ohio State, I took note of the fact that both A M and Miami have pretty good pass rushes. And coming off of what we saw from Ohio State against Indiana, that that felt like probably an area that we'd be focusing on no matter who won that game between Miami and A M. And then I would say that Miami's pass rush certainly showed up more than A M's did. I don't think like Miami's defense was overwhelming. I actually thought there were some moments where Marcel Reed had some guys open in the drop back game and just missed them. Like he couldn't really throw anything accurately. That wasn't a screen to the outside, so. But no, they look formidable. Like those guys up front are the real deal. Akeem Mezador and Ruben Bane were kind of unblockable for A M or against A M this afternoon. So that'll be most, I think of what we talk about as we talk about Ohio State, Miami going into the Cotton Bowl. I don't know. I think Miami's defense overall is very good. You look at like a lot of all the numbers, they're. They basically come out as like the second best defense Ohio State will have played this year behind Indiana. So there's more to get into than just what's going on on the defensive line. But that will be the focus for sure.

[Doug LeMaurice]

And we certainly will have the opportunity and we certainly will do that to break down Ohio State, Miami from every angle before we get to the cotton ball. The PFF grades that are out at the moment, Akeem Ezor, 11 pressures, Ruben Bain 7, which is just an unbelievable. I don't even know if that sounds like that could be right, but that's just almost creating a non functional offense for Texas A and M. If you are having your guys get after the quarterback to that extent. Extent, right. I mean they were doing that but man, those numbers are overwhelming.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, I think Miami finished with. Was it seven. Seven sacks. It probably should have been more. Marcel Reed probably stepped out of two or three of them. It was because the other thing with A M is like, they were talking about on the broadcast. That's a. I think that's the most veteran offensive line in the country. Like, all of their offensive line starters have started at least 26 games. I think most of them started more than 30 games. Their left tackle, who was repeatedly getting worked by Akeem Isador, was making his 50th career start. And none of that. None of that really seemed to matter. So it's like a big, beefy offensive line, too, maybe, you know, not super athletic. And that was where the edge from for Miami showed up. But I think, like, if you're. If you're Miami, right, you wanted. You wanted at the very least, like, your offensive line and your defensive line to look fresh and, like, be the thing that stands out the most in that game. And I think that was definitely the case.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. So if you're wondering where. I'm wearing a suit. I was at my. My family celebration, Rick, all day. Yeah, I was. And I'll be back on Monday. I was at my niece's bat mitzvah this morning, and then she had a party this evening. So I came. I came straight from the party, and I'm still in my celebration attire. We had a lovely day. So I'll be honest. Like, I was not 100%. Like, I'm aware. I watched the second half of Miami, Texas A and M. I caught up on some of the first half. I'm not 100% locked.

[Bill Landis]

You didn't miss much. You didn't miss much.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Special family day, so. Yeah. So actually, I'm not mad at the blowouts. We'll get. I do want to talk about Oklahoma, Alabama a little bit, but I want to talk about Julian saying, because in watching. Dante Moore is looking really good for Oregon in the. In the late game here on Saturday night. Is that a fair assessment, Bill?

[Bill Landis]

He did just throw an interception, but other than that. Yes.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Oh, we came on the show and he threw an interception.

[Bill Landis]

He threw on it right before we started.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

Oh, well, what do you know about that? Actually, he actually has two today, so.

[Doug LeMaurice]

I do think, you know, we sort of hit this stretch with Julian saying after the end. At the end of the year, whether, you know, they. He had a game where his two starting receivers were out. We know Carnell. Carnell Tate missed three games. I thought Julian saying after the pick against Michigan bounced back Everybody knows this bounced back and played very well there. You know, threw a critical interception against Indiana. Indiana defensively had a really good game plan for that. But I thought just watching some of the quarterback play this weekend, Bill, I thought it was a reminder of man, just like having a quarterback that can make plays. But also you sort of believe in to take care of the ball, not give it away at inopportune moments. And again we just saw Julian say and threw a couple picks and he understands that's not what his game is about. But, but I thought just the way this weekend unfolded, I think the idea that Fernando Mendoza at Indiana and Julian singing at Ohio State, our separators as we try to think about these eight teams that are going to be left and who's really a national championship contender. I thought maybe for Ohio State fans you're sitting there saying like, man, I like our guy because there's just a couple, a couple moments in key situations. You know, John Matier just threw it to the other team and gave up a pick six in a back breaking way on Friday night, right. That there's just moments that again, Julian Sands had a couple of those. But, but barely any and competent quarterback play in the quarterfinals I think is going to be, it always is, is a decider and I think there's a couple teams that are going to have an edge there and they're Ohio State and Indiana.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, I think I agree with that. We were, you know, chatting with the people in our substack or at least I was as you were doing the family stuff on Friday night and Saturday night and there was a lot of like, boy, watching this game makes me appreciate Julian Saying's accuracy because there's a lot, there's a lot. You know, Julian Saying is not a perfect quarterback and he has made some mistakes, but it's pretty rare that he drops back and throws the ball and you think to yourself, well where were you trying to throw that one? And I think like that that happened in both of like the quote unquote big games this weekend from all four of the quarterbacks. In those two games there was a lot of like, I don't know where that ball was supposed to be going kind of, kind of moments. And I, I just don't know that you're going to get that from saying or Mendoza or at least if you do, you're not going to get it at nearly the same rate as we've seen it from, from some of these other guys. And maybe you might get a little bit more of that from, from Dante Moore, I don't know, he's. This game is like a blowout, like kind of Lucy Goosey. So the fact that he's thrown at two interceptions, I don't, I don't know what to make of that because there's something like they're not high stakes throws necessarily. But yeah, I think, yeah, that, that might be one of the bigger revelations of this first weekend is that the quarterback play from a lot of these teams have played this weekend is not particularly strong.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, it's an interesting contrast to the first weekend last year because as we know, with the different seating last year and that Boise State and Arizona State had buys last year and you had a team like Ohio State lurking as the eight seed. We know all the first round winners went on to win in the quarterfinal. So you had the five, the six, the seven and the eight that were then in the semifinals. And when you think about. So part of it is the structure. And I think they got it right. Everybody agrees with that. Don't give the four buys automatically to conference champs. But a year ago that, that 5, 6, 7 and 8 were like pretty darn good. Right? And, and I don't think we are partly because of structure, but I think also partly like the reality of the situation. If you think about the eight last year was Ohio State. The eight this year was Oklahoma. Bill, the difference between that eight and this eight, how, how vast is that? How would you explain the gap between Ohio State 2024 and Oklahoma 2025?

[Bill Landis]

That they're not worth comparing? Yeah, like Oklahoma's defense is pretty good, but that offense is, is, is quite bad. Although they actually played one of their better games against Alabama. So. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's sort of like night and day. I was thinking to myself, right. It was just like, look, like I put those teams sort of side by side and I think maybe you could say, I don't know. Well, Jamie's about to score again. So I don't know what to make of this Oregon team actually. But I think you would look at all four of the teams from last year and rank them ahead of probably all four of the teams from this year.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah.

[Bill Landis]

And that's not. That is even with like all four of the two of the three teams last year, I think in Notre Dame and Penn State having like some quarterback issues of their own. But I think over overall, you probably take all four of those teams over these four.

[Doug LeMaurice]

And, and I do think just again, like Indiana a year ago, like they didn't get blown off the field by Notre Dame, but Notre Dame won. You were at that game. Notre Dame won that game fairly handily. Right. Like you knew who's going to win. I think Indiana. I think 20, 24 Indiana would absolutely hang with Oklahoma or Alabama. I think they would have. Would have been right there with either Texas A and M or Miami today. I think they would absolutely be there with Ole Miss. And it's just one of those again, I think. And I saw someone tweet this, you know, after the first two games, like, hey, last year the eight, nine and seven, ten games weren't competitive. This year we got competitive games in the 8, 9 and the 7 10. Like that's progress. Well, the reason that feels like progress is because Last year the 7 and the 8 were awesome. And this year the 7 and the 8 were mid. Last year, the 7 and the 8 were true Northern champions. And it was. It was Notre Dame and Ohio State who then played in the national championship game. That was your seven and your eight. Your seven and your eight this year were Texas A and M and Oklahoma, mid SEC teams who lost at home. So then again, I think what we're going to figure out with the playoff is the playoff is going to give us something different every year. And there's going to be times where there's some odd seating or a team that really was better than this winds up with this seed because they lost a weird game, that kind of thing. But it's like, what do you want out of the first round? And I don't even know what I would declare. I would want. Do you want a competitive game? Alabama, Oklahoma was competitive, but it was section close, interesting, not good. Well, last year, Ohio State, Tennessee wasn't close, but it's because Ohio State was so good. Right. And so that's. That's one of those things that we, it was just. It's an interesting contrast, particularly that seven, eight. And I am really curious what the next round gives us because even as you say this Oregon JMU game is getting a little weird. It's like this. I don't think this first round feels like it's giving us great teams necessarily when last year it kind of gave us four great teams. It gave us four semifinalists at the very least. Maybe you don't consider them great, but nobody who played this weekend is on the level of what Ohio State, Notre Dame were last year.

[Bill Landis]

No, they. But I, I kind of think that's okay. Right? Like, I, I agree.

[Doug LeMaurice]

You're right.

[Bill Landis]

Like, think, think of the NCAA basketball tournament. Right. Not to compare the football to basketball all the time, but like the first weekend's like or not the first weekend. Thursday, Friday is like kind of weird. Like some teams you never heard of win games and like they're not great games but the endings can be fun and entertaining. And I think maybe what a lot of the first round of this playoffs going to be is not great football, but perhaps fairly entertaining. And I think if you can get. Because I think, I think Oklahoma, Alabama was entertaining in a, in a very, in a very unique and in it like sort of its own way that may not be ever replicable again. I thought Miami A and M was entertaining.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yes, you watched it the whole way you watched until the last play.

[Bill Landis]

I had a blast watching that game wasn't good football, but I had a lot of fun watching it. If I was a fan of either team, I'd be pulling my eyeballs out. But I'm not. So I enjoyed it and I kind of think that's what this is going to be and you almost have to accept it. And, and maybe like, like yes, in an alternative world where you don't have two G6 teams in, maybe you get one game out of the four that is like quality on quality and it's like a really well played football game. Maybe. I. I don't know. But I think more often than not you're going to have one pretty lopsided one and today we had two and then you're going to have two others that might not be great games, but I think can at least hire offer like a pretty good entertainment quality. And I'm not sure you should be expecting much more than that in the first round of a playoff.

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[Doug LeMaurice]

I think that's right. And I do think, you know, I think if you see some sides of the ball that really interest you, I think that can be enough. I don't. You know, Ohio State and Indiana, at the top of this. This seating are two pretty complete teams, right? They're both probably defense first teams. But then, by the way, Ohio State has Julian Saying, Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate and Bo Jackson.

[Bill Landis]

Here's a secret about the playoff. Everyone's defense first in the playoff.

[Doug LeMaurice]

I feel a Bill Landis substack story coming. You crafting something there, Philly Billy.

[Bill Landis]

Very apparent.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, that is very interesting to think about. But so then. So then who, like, if everybody's defense first, then who has separators offensively? That if you feel like there is a defensive identity and then you get into separators and it's like, okay, well, Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman winner, he's a separator for Indiana offensively. When Elijah Surratt is healthy, he's a separator for them offensive. We just talked about it with Ohio State. Malachi. Tony at times can be that for Miami, right? He has been at that at times. The Oregon run game at its best can be that. And if they continue to get healthy at receiver, right. Maybe Oregon has a chance to be that. But there's. There's just going to be, I think some. It's. It's hard to be good at everything, man, if you really think about it. Do you think we have a chance to go 8 for 8 on truly defensive identity? Not Ole Miss, Ole Miss.

[Bill Landis]

And honestly, as I continue to watch JMU score touchdowns and now sitting with 404 yards of offense, maybe Oregon's not either.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Maybe Oregon.

[Bill Landis]

Okay, where Indiana, Ohio State are, Miami Island, I guess Alabama is the Texas Tech definitely is. And I, I get like, Alabama is. And George, Georgia probably is, too.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. But again, so it's gonna be. I don't. You know, when you just think about then who are you? If you had a draft of, you took all the defense first teams and then drafted their offensive guys, right? You're drafting, I think, a lot of Ohio State and Indiana guys, Right. So I don't even know, like, how. How many Alabama guys are you drafting? How many Miami guys are you drafting potentially in this situation? So there. There are. There are going to be some flawed teams playing next week who have a chance to maybe be great on one side of the ball. But. But I will say again, if we want to get back to Miami a little bit, because obviously that's a team that we're going to talk about a lot and write about a lot as they get ready to play Ohio State. You. You thought they had a baseline, a foundation on what both sides of the ball in the trenches. Is Mark Fletcher at running back enough of a separator? Like, I mean, it seemed like everybody during the course of that game is like, Mark Fletcher's averaging eight yards a carry. Why is Mark Fletcher not getting the ball more? He ended up with 170 yards. Can they give Mark. Can Miami give the ball. Mark Fletcher. To give the ball to Mark Fletcher 30 times against Ohio State and say, go be our offense. And that's not. Put too much on Carson Beck, and if you can go 30 for 200, we have a chance to stay in the game.

[Bill Landis]

I'm actually not there. No. I would. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would say no. I think that it just turns out that A M is a team that you can run on. But they. Okay, didn't really. Didn't really play anybody to show you that until Texas ran on them and then Miami ran on them. And Miami. I think. I really do think Miami could have won that game much more comfortably if it just ran the ball all game. I don't. I don't know what the hell they were trying to do on offense with some of the trick plays they were doing. And they were really forcing the ball to Malachi Tony, which I get because he's a really good player. But they were not doing themselves any. Any favors. And it was pretty apparent to me, too, that they don't trust Carson Beck a whole lot, which I guess I wouldn't either.

[Doug LeMaurice]

They paid a lot of money to not trust a guy.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug LeMaurice]

It's a lot of money to not trust a veteran quarterback in the playoff.

[Bill Landis]

Right. So. But I think Fletcher's a good back and that. That O line is good, but, I mean, it's not like Miami has been this juggernaut of a rushing team all year. I think. I think what we saw, Miami running wise, was more about A M than it was about Miami. And no one has really run it all that well in Ohio State this year. So I'm not sure, like, if I'm Ohio State. I am probably gearing up to stop the run and making Carson back trying to try to beat me, but I don't know that. It's like there was like an overwhelming rushing attack that was sort of hiding in plain sight there. I just think like that was a weakness of A M that got exposed.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about Alabama, Oklahoma. I did take in most of this on Friday night, as I'm sure most of the people watching and listening to this did. I thought it was an embarrassment for the sec. Is that too far?

[Bill Landis]

It wasn't a shining moment for the sec. I would say that it was basically the same game that Oklahoma and Alabama played earlier in the year. They just flipped the roles. It was almost exactly the same game. In the first game, Alabama outgained Oklahoma like double the amount of yardage and kept shooting itself in the foot and lost. And Oklahoma outgained Alabama and Alabama scored on the pick six and Oklahoma was missing field goals. It was like. And like dropping touchdown passes. So it was. Yeah, it's not a particularly well played game.

[Doug LeMaurice]

I just, I, I was confused by some of the reaction of like Alabama storming back. And I guess if you're down 17, nothing and you win, you came back. I just storm, storm as a verb in that situation. I don't know, the idea that Oklahoma dropped a long pass, then the punter just dropped the ball for no reason, then John Mateer hit a guy in the hands for a pick six and like they handed the game back to Alabama to let them rally. I thought, I thought Oklahoma gave that game away to a large extent. And again, it's just the thing when you think about, are you watching this game and think like, man, this is a high level game. These are teams executing. It's, it's, it's. Everybody's making it hard on each other or does it feel like you're, you're giving opportunities away? And I just thought both sides of the ball was sort of like, here, go do this. Here, go do this. And I thought for then for Texas A and M, the team that had been in first place in the SEC for basically an entire regular season until losing the Texas A and M at the end, to just be again borderline, like non functional against Miami, they can't protect it all. They can't put any points on the board. Like I thought it was, I thought it was a reinforcement. And again, I just, Sometimes I have a hard time convincing people. It's not a bit. I think the SEC Is that mediocre? And I thought we got like, just a lot of proof of that this weekend, Bill and I. Just for a league that got five in, I did not think they covered themselves in glory in the first weekend.

[Bill Landis]

No, I don't think so either. I, I, But I also think I, I think maybe I have viewed Georgia a little differently than you. So, like, part of this, part of this is reinforced for me that like, Georgia is just like, like clearly the best team in the sec.

[Doug LeMaurice]

And you've had that. You've, you've been viewing them that way for like the back half of the season almost, haven't you?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. And we'll see. Like, what's unfortunate about that, I guess, is that they have to play an SEC team now in, in the Sugar bowl. So I don't know. And it's an SEC team they already beat, so we'll see what happens there. But yeah, I don't know that I'm terribly surprised by any of it. Right. Like, I, I didn't think Alabama and Oklahoma were particularly impressive in their regular season. Oklahoma's defense, I think is something to be respected, but the, the way that A M lost to Texas really took a lot of shine, took a lot of shine off of before me, which is why I thought Miami was going to win that game today. So I don't know. Yeah, I think, I think it turned out maybe that the SEC and the Big Ten were both a little top heavy, but the Big Ten was just not heavy with a couple teams and the SEC be top heavy with one team.

[Doug LeMaurice]

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[Bill Landis]

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[Doug LeMaurice]

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[Bill Landis]

I'm not sure how you could be in that unless you're just an Alabama fan. Then, like, I guess I get it, but they played pretty poorly. I mean, they won on the road at Oklahoma, but I don't think they played great.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, I would have liked to watch this, that first round unfold. I would have loved to see Alabama and Oklahoma against non SEC teams. I would have loved to see Ole Miss against a non G6 team just to see what that was. Again, I picked Tulane and that was obviously very wrong. So you credit Ole Miss. Like, it's nice for Ole Miss for those players who have been put through the ringer by the Lane Kiffin situation to get a win there. But I do find I'll be curious how people now view this Ole Miss Georgia rematch when certainly Ole Miss was in the game the first time around against Georgia. We're going to get that in the Sugar Bowl. Like, I, I don't know. What would it say? It would be interesting. I don't know what it would say about the league if now Ole Miss, like without their head coach then would go and beat the SEC champion to make a semi final. That would certainly be interesting because my inclination is like, well, we've seen this. George has beaten Ole Miss. Now their coach is gone. If they beat him again, I don't know what we've learned. I just, I wish, I wish the matchups were slightly different, but I, I don't know. Full Miss makes a run. I guess they're an underdog story, man.

[Bill Landis]

I guess so. Like, I'll be perfectly honest, I didn't, I didn't watch the Ole Miss two lane game super closely, partly because it was a blowout and partly because the Eagles were on as it was happening. But it felt like, like two lane at times is moving it.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

They just like they couldn't really do anything and then they absolutely could not stop Ole Miss. So I don't, I don't know what kind of formal misses defense is going to be in against, against Georgia, but I actually thought they would look kind of dysfunctional on offense and that that certainly wasn't the case in this game.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. Yeah. What's the Oregon JMU score?

[Bill Landis]

48:26 with five minutes left. Oregon has the ball.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

It'll be going in the score again.

[Doug LeMaurice]

So interesting still to see like Oregon not quite at full effect. Right. Evan Stewart, Gary Bryant Jr. And decor and Moore at receiver all warmed up. But Decoran Moore has been involved a little bit, but they certainly clearly are not at full throttle at the receiver position, which is something it seems like maybe they will get to before the end of this playoff run, which put. I mean, that just changes our evaluation of Oregon, does it? Not if they have all their dudes out there at receiver.

[Bill Landis]

Yes. Corey Moore has two targets, one catch for 5 yards. The other guys. Yeah. Don't have anything, so. Yeah, I think it will. Yeah, that, that was kind of what I was hoping to see is whether or not those guys played and what the offense looked like with them kind of back in the forward. I guess we didn't fully get that. Dante Moore has thrown for 300 yards and they're running the ball. They've run the ball for 205 yards. But yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm like optimistic that you're gonna get the full Oregon against Texas Tech, but I maybe would have liked to see a couple of those guys play a little more.

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[Doug LeMaurice]

That would be great to get to get the full Oregon that has a chance to be one of the best games of the playoff if we get the full Oregon against Texas Tech in that game. What so if we think about how excited are you for Indiana, Alabama and I guess I had sort of, you know, I was. So when we had talked about this, theoretically it was like, oh, Kurt Signetti used to be an assistant in Alabama. But it's like, yeah, all the Alabama guys used to be assistants in Indiana. It's quite a little switcheroo there.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, I actually people were tweeting pictures of Kaylin Deborah and his Indiana gear last night after game. I was like, oh yeah, I forgot that he was. He was. He was there like the last time Indiana was good. Kaylin DeBoer was. Was their OC. I think it'll be. I don't know. I'm excited for it. I don't. I am a little worried for Indiana without Stephen Daly. Like I realize he's. He's just one guy but Indiana just doesn't have for as good as they are and as well coaches, they aren't for a good of a job as Kurt Signetti has done. They did not have the roster depth of a lot of these other teams in the field. So like is. Is losing him enough to make Indiana something like substantially different than what it has been all year? I. I don't know. I. I'm not saying that definitively but I think maybe the answer could be yes. Now, if that's the case, does Alabama really take advantage of it? I don't know. Like, I think Indiana has a quarterback advantage there. I think Indiana is probably the better coach team. So I think it could be actually a pretty, pretty fun game. And I like, whatever you think about, like, I, I don't dismiss Kaylin Deborah's success in big games. Like he's, he's just really good and he's even good at making helping like getting his team to come back in some of these big games. So like I don't think that that's going to be a situation where Indiana rolls over Alabama. I think it's going to be a pretty close game.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, I can't tell if tied to the Natty is. I think it must be fake. We shouldn't be in the playoffs, but we advance to the second round, make it make sense. Well, it makes sense because you played another SEC team that was even more mediocre than Alabama is. It is quite, it is quite the thing that Alabama lost to Oklahoma in the regular season so that Alabama could get to play Oklahoma in the playoff. Because if Alabama had beaten Oklahoma in the regular season, Notre Dame would have made the playoff. And if Alabama had played Notre Dame, there's no way Alabama would have beaten Notre Dame on Friday night. Bill.

[Bill Landis]

I do not think Alabama would have beaten Notre Dame.

[Doug LeMaurice]

No. Now, I also don't want to play the who would Notre Dame have beaten this weekend game. Because the answer might be every single team that played. But I also don't think that's the way to analyze the sport. Because if you start analyzing the sport that way, then all of a sudden you had a, you have a team that had a couple injuries and like had a screwy first half of the season. You're making a case for a 7 and 5 team who had a good novemb make the playoffs. Right? Like, you've gotta, you've got to do it the entire year. And Notre Dame had their opportunities and they didn't get it done. But there are just, you know, it's to the SEC's credit that they kind of, you know, as much as Greg Sankey kind of wanted seven at times, like they got the five in a very like, specific way. Bill. And they, if they didn't hit each lily pad on their way across the pond, they, they easily could have been at 4. And again, it doesn't look like a league that needed to have five teams out here in this playoff. But what we got.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. I guess the truth is, in no league deserve to have five teams in the playoff. But I.

[Doug LeMaurice]

That's probably true. Yes.

[Bill Landis]

But the, the structure that they created, somebody had to. Yeah, but I guess, like, moving forward, that won't be the case.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. So I. I do think maybe part of this is that I just think people need to have, like, their expectations of the first weekend calibrated correctly because I don't know that people. People love the NFL, but if you based how much you love the NFL on wild card weekend, I' or it would live up to your expectations. Sometimes, Bill, and I don't think that's like, how we think of the NFL. It's like, man, that Saturday afternoon game of wild card weekend kind of stunk. Why do we even watch this league, right? That we did get. We got two competitive games that were down to the wire, and then we got two other games against group of six teams that were not competitive down to the wire. But we did see the winning teams there flex their muscles in certain ways. But like, I think there is incredible, incredible value in all of it. You just think about, like, that Ole Miss hosted a playoff game and got a playoff win today. Like that. And. And then like, people were talking about this and again, like, you just have to remind yourselves, especially when we come at it from an Ohio State perspective, and Ohio State, for instance, a program at the top of the sport. You think about Georgia, you think about Alabama, how they're playing gigantic games all the time, right? And their fan bases have these opportunities to engage at the highest level of the sport and get excited and play games that matter. They were talking about it on the. On the Miami, Texas A and M broadcast. And I was like, wait, like, that's right. This was Miami's biggest win, biggest game since the O2 national championship game. Like, it's 23 years later and Miami's playing like, another game where if they win it or keep winning it, they have a chance at a national championship. Like, that's a. Whatever happens for Miami the rest of the season, like, this is a, an incredible success for Miami fans who have been in the wilderness for a generation. And I just, like, think that's. There's, I think, incredible value in that for the sport, that they got a. A home game at Austin this year, right. They were the number one seed last year. They lose their first playoff game as good. Like, this is huge for Oregon to get to do that in front of their home fans. So, you know, I don't, I don't Want to come on and be like, I don't know about this first weekend. I don't know if there's a great team coming out of the first weekend, but I still think it's worth it. Can it. Can both things be true?

[Bill Landis]

I mean, I think so. Yeah. But I'm. I'm also, like, I don't get. Again, I don't get particularly fired up about, like, the flaws in the system that the schools created. Right. So, like, if you're Notre Dame or Notre Dame fan and you're upset about how things broke out, well, like, well, maybe you should have thought about that before you set the structure the way it is. Right? So, like, I don't. I don't feel bad for them. I don't want to, like, waste my time on a playoff weekend having incessant arguments that get nowhere about whether or not Notre Dame should have been in the field over somebody. Like, of course they would have given Oregon or Ole Miss a better game. That's kind of not the point. So I. Yeah, I think if you. If you. If you are properly calibrated on expectations for this opening round, I thought, you know, yeah, you got a game on Friday and a game on Saturday that were pretty entertaining. And. And maybe. And like I said at the beginning, like, I think more often than not, you're probably going to get three of those. And I don't know if you can ask for much more than that, unless you're just, like, totally anti G6, which, like, great. I'm just not. So.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. What. What game most is. Is Texas Tech Oregon, the most intriguing game in the quarters?

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, I think that's probably still it for me. I was pretty fired up about that one when the bracket first came out. I mean, now that we know that it's happening, like, Ohio State, Miami is great. I. I don't know. That's less about, like. I think that'll be a super competitive game, although maybe it will be. It's just like, those two teams on the field together is. Is fun, and there's a lot of, like, personal connections. There's a lot of guys who are on Miami who were, yes. Maybe one time on track to go to Ohio State. There's a couple of South Florida guys, most notably Jeremiah Smith and Ohio State's roster. You're gonna be really fired up for that. So, like, it'll. It'll be a pretty fun game. I think all of them are gonna be. Are gonna be good Actually, like, that's the other thing, too. It's like, yes, the first round's not perfect. I don't know that it ever will be. But if it gets us to like, a quarterfinal, semi, final that could be pretty compelling, then, like, I'm okay with that. Like, I'm not. I don't. Is there any playoff structure in all sport where every round is perfect? I don't know. I don't think it exists, so. And you certainly can't, like, force it to happen as much as you might want to. But I. I don't know. Looking at these matchups on paper for the quarterfinals, they all seem pretty solid to me. But I think, yeah, I think Oregon Tech is maybe the one that I'm most fired up for. Just because, like, those two teams, Indiana also, and like, like, listen, this is like Ole Miss ole misses. There are a lot of teams that I think are maybe like, representative of the changing dynamics within the sport and some of the upward mobility that exists that didn't exist before. But I don't know that there are maybe two better examples of that than Oregon and Texas Tech. So I'm glad that those two teams are going to play each other.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, a lot of Alabama people in here fired up. Roll Tide, I guess.

[Bill Landis]

Caps lock buttons are broken down in.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Alabama, excited to keep. To keep their coach. Yeah, I think this is. This is where we are at the sport. I think it's in a really good spot. I think the best way to think about college football is compared to where it's been. And again, like, rather than chasing perfection is to acknowledge that we're on the right path to something better. And I think. I think we. We're gonna. I guess the question is, Bill, is like, if you really think about it, how many national championship contenders are there every year? Right? Because even as the sport is flattened out, you know, I mean, it has. Because Indiana is one of the national championship contenders this year, but I don't know that. I don't think there are 12 national championship contenders in a year. Actually. I don't know that there ever have been or ever will be. But that doesn't mean. I think that that 12 is too many. Right. But I still think we realize that there is probably going to be a group of between three and five teams at the top of the sport that are going to separate themselves every season. And then what, you know, what will be very interesting is like, in those moments when one of those teams gets upset by a lesser team and we get a true Cinderella, I think we will have a true Cinderella in the College Football Playoff at some point. I mean, a G5 team is going to win one year. You know, you can watch the games this weekend and think maybe that that's not ever going to be the case. I, I think it is going to happen in the next five years that you're going to get like a really good G5 team that's going to jump up and, and have like a fiver or a six seed that's like a little bit wounded and they're going to make something like that happen. And when that happens, I think we're all going to view the, The College Football Playoff in a different way. But for now, I think we're going to have good quarterfinals, man. Yeah, good quarterfinals.

[Bill Landis]

Which one. Which one are you most interested in? The core four quarterfinals.

[Doug LeMaurice]

So I, I can't tell how much you've. You've cracked the door a little bit for me on Indiana, Alabama, like, if, if, if Indiana's wounded and I, I have to, I guess, really sit back and think like, how wounded, losing one great defensive player, how, how much does that really matter? Because that's going to be a thing that. Will.

[Bill Landis]

We also, by the way, sorry to cut you off. I have. I just haven't looked like. What's the deal with Omar Cooper, who got hurt title game.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Right. I don't know the final answer on that, actually, as we record this. I apologize for that. So, so, like, that, that reality. I mean, I think. I think the answer is Oregon, Texas Tech, because I think those are. I think we're probably five deep on who can win the national title. I, I don't. I don't really think that Alabama, Miami or Ole Miss are in that group, but I think like the best of Oregon, the best of healthy Oregon is in that group. So then that means that four or five game has a chance to be that. So I think that's still the most intriguing to me. But I'm. I'm curious, how close to the full Indiana are we going to get against Alabama? And if they don't, I mean, again, Kaylin, Deborah and Kirsten are two of the great coaching stories of the last 10 years. What they. Where they came from, what they've become and the success they've had is remarkable. So now we'll get to figure out who's better.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah. Yeah. I like the. I think maybe by the time it rolls around, that'll be the one that I'm most fired up for.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Okay.

[Bill Landis]

But like I said, I do, I do Think they're all pretty compelling in their own way.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, yeah. I, I, I, I.

[Bill Landis]

Even though one's a.

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[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, we're happy to have the Bama fans here. We welcome everybody to come chat. I'm not sure there's a ton more to say, brother. I mean, like, this is one of those things. It's like, hey, like, great first round, everybody. I, I, we could not get more than 36 minutes of content out of it.

[Bill Landis]

Yeah, I don't. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think we need to, like, there's just, you know, the way it shook out, there were two games. There weren't a whole lot to learn from. I, I think so. Yeah. I don't know. I think I feel like we kind of. Tulane. No, not yet. Tulane threw for 306 yards against Ole Miss. Again, I didn't watch one of the game, so I don't know if that's garbage time or not, but drake wrestler for 306 yards in that game.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, there was some garbage in there. I just, you know, some missed opportunities. But also, that offense is real. It felt like maybe when they were getting they cut, you know, had a couple other guys get hurt. The end of the first half was an opening, but it wasn't, so. All right, we're not gonna, like, belabor the point here. We are.

[Bill Landis]

I do think, like, it's JMU moving at 63 yards and 53 yards in his first two drives against Oregon might be worth chewing on a little bit. Like, it was never, the game was never in doubt. But there are a couple long drives in here for JMU against Oregon's defense. Yeah, there's like four quality drives in there.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Oh, that's something. And it's hard. I mean, I, I did think like Tulane and jmu, like each like competed in their own way, right? Like, it wasn't a 40 point lead for Ole Miss at the half. They came out and blitzed him early against Tulane, but then Tulane, like started getting a couple stops, right? And like, so Oregon got an early lead, but JMU had a couple drives here, like, to your point, like, I, I think it's all, I think it's all fine. I think it's all fine. Should we let him go?

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[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, we'll let them go. All right. You guys know what's up? We're going to keep talking about Ohio State football. We're going to keep talking about the entire College Football Playoff here on this YouTube feed here on our podcast feeds. We're going to be writing and talking about Ohio State over at our substack Bill and Doug osu.substack.com we're not, we're not going to try to like sit here and, and filibuster for an extra an hour just to try to squeeze in a couple more YouTube ads, right? So, like, we'll let you guys get back to your, get back to your existences.

[Bill Landis]

Q ON Lacey got hurt for Ole Miss. Her shoulder. That's a big deal.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was glad Trinidad Chambers came back in the game though. That was good. All right.

[Bill Landis]

And Ferris State won this, Won a national title again without him.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Oh, they did. I mean, it's just like I was sitting, I was thinking about that, watching two lane Ole Miss, that it's like Tulane's quarterback was the BYU quarterback last year and BYU was tied for first in the Big 12 and the Ole Miss quarterback was the Ferris State quarterback last year. And it's just like it is. This sport is changing in some very interesting ways. All right, we appreciate you guys here hanging out with us. If you're watching back on YouTube or listening back on a podcast, we certainly are grateful that you're here. We'd love to see you this week here on the YouTube feed. We'd love if you want to come check us out on substack Bill and Doug osu.substack.com. but for now, we'll let you go. Oregon, Alabama, Ohio State, Miami.

[Bill Landis]

No. Indiana. Indiana.

[Doug LeMaurice]

Alabama.

[Bill Landis]

Indiana. Alabama. Ohio State, Miami. That's fine. Georgia. Georgia. Ole Miss.

[Doug LeMaurice]

And I did reading. I did a reading at the ceremony today, so I was kind of locked in on that for a little bit.

[Bill Landis]

Hebrew. Just do it in Hebrew.

[Doug LeMaurice]

No, no. Thank goodness. They. They know I have limitations. They know they can ask me, like, this much, but that's no more than that. Indiana, Alabama, Ohio State, Miami, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas Tech. Oregon. We will look forward to talking about them and we look forward to hanging out with you guys for now. He's Bill Andis. I'm Doug Lemarise. And that was the Bill and Doug show.

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