← The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
College football's regular season and playoff are almost perfect, so media should quit complaining
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It's more College Football Playoff talk on a Tuesday on The Bill and Doug Show, but unlike many college football shows, Doug Lesmerises and Bill Landis aren't complaining about the sport they cover.
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Welcome back to the Bill and Doug show. Doug Lam Reese and Bill Landis talking a final look at the playoff Bill. Because every Tuesday, all year, not just when the committee was announcing its rankings every Tuesday we did ours, we did our projections for the end of the year, what we thought the playoffs would be. So we should revisit that.
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B
Yes, only if we were good at it.
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A
Then we gotta stop the show.
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B
No, no, we deserve. Yeah, let's. Let's revisit. Yes.
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And also I have come to a conclusion.
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We had the great Shahan Jay Haraja on the Monday around the shoe that we would direct everybody toward. It was a three man box, not a four man box because everybody else bailed. But Shahan is. Has the strength of two podcasters. So he was wonderful. And I asked a question there. Like the playoff, right? The playoff and everything about it and the way it's. Everything about it. What percent is it wonderful? What percent is it ridiculous? And I think personally I said like 75% wonderful and like 10% ridiculous. It's 100% wonderful. And I am sick of college football media because we actually have threaded the needle in this sport right now.
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The way the regular season and the playoff interact with each other. It is exactly what you want. It is perfect. And I would, I would challenge any four team truther to a debate on here and I can explain why the 12 team is so good. And I would challenge anybody who says 16 or 24. Come on here we'll expose you. And I would just. I would challenge anybody whose main discussion around the playoff is complaining, complaining, complaining. Because I have reason after reason here, Bill, about why this sport, the games, they matter. The, the, the, the like. How good you have to be to get in, I think is almost at exactly the right spot. You don't have to be perfect, but you have to be darn good to get in. And we're keeping out just the right amount of good teams while increasing the opportunity for just the right amount of good teams. And I think, as often is the case in this sport, the college football media is ruining college football. The college football media thinks it's everybody else. They think it's the presidents, they think it's the conference commissioners, they think it's Congress. They think it's realignment. When actually there is so much more good than bad about this sport and the way the games are conducted right now. And too many people, all they do is complain. So I want this show to serve as a guiding light to shut those people up.
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Oh, I want them. I want them to see the light as we cram that light right down their throats on this episode.
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B
Was there anything that got you particularly fired up that you wanted to start the show that way that you saw recently? Unless you don't want to call somebody out directly?
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A
No. Well, I mean, I just feel like there's a general gripitude. Right. Like, right. Especially right now. And then also. And I also. I think we have talked about this. I don't know if it's because. What. It's what we do, but I feel like college football is the sport for which general sports, national talking heads say the dumbest things, and they have no idea what they're talking about. So one part of it was, I was looking up some records and stuff on ESPN.com and Stephen A. Smith appeared in the corner of my screen complaining about something about jmu. And I was like, okay, I'm good. Because he has no. I mean, he just has no idea what he's talking about because he spends five seconds on it. And then he goes back to talk about the NBA and the NFL, which is fine. But then people pretend that, like, those opinions have any weight at all. And they're. They're poof. They're silly. They're negligible. And then there's a lot of stuff. There's. There has been. I'll be. Jerry DiNardo, who I think is a very good Big Ten analyst, has just been re tweeting every possible tweet into my timeline about everybody who's like, it's not fair to Notre Dame. It's not fair to Notre Dame. Get rid of the G5 teams. It should be the 12 best teams. Just repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly. And again, it's just such a gripe about how dare we keep out the 11th best team. And it's just like it's. You're looking. I swear to God, it's not an opinion. You're looking at the sport wrong.
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B
Yeah.
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You are legitimately looking at it wrong again. Like the process, like the basically the ranking show was Notre Dame let on. But like actually the way stuff, what the decisions are, who's in, who's out, how many, where the cut line is on, how good you have to be. It's perfect. And if you can't see that through your gripes, you're ruining the sport that you love for no reason other than you are bogged down by your own hatred of the situation, which is not valid hatred. You're wrong. It's not an opinion. People who think that are actually factually.
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Objectively wrong and we're going to tell them why.
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B
Okay, I did see someone. I can't remember who. So I apologize.
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Say like we used to argue about like zero loss and one loss teams being in and now we're arguing about two and three lost teams. And isn't that better? And I was like, well, yeah, I guess it is better. Yeah. And like I don't. Whatever. The people who Suddenly hate the G6 as if like the first round games last year when were close.
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Right.
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B
Like, oh, they're three. They're three touchdown spreads.
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Like cool.
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B
All the games are three touchdown results last year when it was before versus B4. So who cares? No, I, I like it. I think it's in a good spot. I'm sort of with you. I just like I. I don't know. I tune out a lot of that I think because it is frustrating. But I do, you know, aside, I guess from for Utah on Tuesday, breaking down the private equity wall or private equity door, the sport seems like it's in an okay spot.
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Yeah. But the reason they they could sell their teams because they're 10 and 2. They're so good. They wanted. They're right at the spot to sell their team. They didn't quite make it. They were good enough to almost make it. They were good enough to be in discussion. That's a very valuable property. So then let's sell it to a hedge fund. I don't even know what it means.
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B
Neither do I. I'm not going to let that distract me from the College Football Playoff being here.
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All right, I got a couple things, and then we're gonna, we're gonna fix it at the end. But you did not want to do a logistics show because, as we always say, the reason that people love college football is because of lawsuits and logistics. So we like to talk about that the most. And then we do like 1% ball talk. Let's talk ball point number one. Only four of the 12 playoff spots are the same as last year. So two thirds of the field is new. Okay. More opportunity. Is that not good? Is that not something that. I think people. It was certainly a talking point of expanding to 12, but I think it was a valid talking point and I think it's great.
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B
Yeah. What, what would be wrong with. I don't even know what would make you upset about it, to be honest, Unless you're a Notre Dame fan, which I get. But.
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No, I think I, I was very uncertain, sort of like how much turnover there might be year to year. And of course, there are some, some like true blue blood programs, Ohio State and Georgia, who have been in Indiana years. Indiana. Oh, I said Triple H, bug. They're building. They're good. They're building their way there. Can you transfer basketball blue bloodedness to football blue bloodedness. Is there a procedure?
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Kurt Nutty says you can. You can. Okay, I don't do it. This is a national show. So I can smoke a cig. I don't smoke a cig on the Ohio State show because Ohio State fans don't want to see me smoke a cig. We would just like to know that Indiana is number one.
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B
Indiana is number one. Indian number one. And unbeaten. Unanimous. I. I didn't even bother to look at the AP poll. And then I realized earlier today, like Indiana unanimous number one.
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Every single vote went the Hoosier's way. But I, I did think.
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It was.
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Pretty possible that we would start this 12 team thing and it would just be the same 12 teams every year or like, you know, the same eight to nine teams with a couple different ones mixed in. So it only happened. You said it was four. To only have four holdovers. I think is. Is pretty good. Yeah.
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Did you look at the rundown that I sent you or did you not? Because. Oh, you did it because. So can you not guess? Because, you know, see, I send you rundowns. I want you to be prepared. But I also like to play the bill guessing game.
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I can guess because I, I have A I've bad short term memory, so I don't even.
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Yeah, okay. So do you know in the 10 years of the four team playoff between 2014 and 23, do you know how many programs made the playoffs? Only four teams a year. It's only, it's only 40 spots. How many different programs took up those 40 spots?
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21.
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15. 15.
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Yeah.
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It's not a lot.
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Not a lot.
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Bama eight, Clemson six, Ohio State five, Oklahoma four. Georgia and Michigan, three each. Washington and Notre Dame, two each. And then one each for Oregon, Florida State, Michigan State, LSU, Cincinnati, TCU in Texas. So in 10 years of that format for 15 programs got to say we're a playoff team. 15 fan bases got to celebrate the possibility that at the end of the year their team could win a national championship. They made it. They made the field. Wow, that's exciting. It's not some bowl game that you're worried guys are going to opt out of. This is something, this is stakes. Awesome. 15. How many teams have already experienced that in two years of the 12 team playoff?
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I'm not good at math.
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20. So two years in.
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Because eight different. Eight different for the same eight and eight plus four. So two years in, we're 20 to 15. In terms of opportunity, I think that's good. And I. It's not that I don't think, I don't think anyone's complaining about that, but I think nobody's talking about that because they're too busy complaining that, yeah, we've provided opportunity here and as you said, it's not the same teams. In two years, seven different SEC teams have made it. Four from the Big Ten, three from the ACC, two from the Big 12, Notre Dame and three different G5 teams. That's wonderful. There are, I think, 25%, 17 of 68 Power Four teams have made it the first two years. That's 25%. That's a quarter of the power four has made the playoff.
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B
That's great.
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At a time when it felt like for a while there, for like the first seven or eight years of the 14 playoff, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Alabama were taking three of the four spots every year. This is not just opportunity about Indiana and Cincinnati and tcu. This is opportunity for Texas A and M. This is opportunity for Oregon. This is opportunity for.
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Ole Miss. This is opportunity for Texas Tech. This is opportunity not just for like little underdogs, but like good, big established college football programs that just weren't sniffing being one of the four best teams. It's just, it's Nobody, I don't think is talking about that. It is a wonderful, I think it's like the best thing. It's like, what, what's the point of the 12 team playoff? Give more teams a chance. And then now we're going to complain because we're going to have some blocks in the first round. But we have to remember making the playoff. And this is the short sighted discussion of like, well, these teams have no chance to get in it. But why are they getting it? Because making the playoff is such an achievement anyway. Give them that achievement. Let them have that achievement. Let them take their shot. Someday a G5 team is going to win that first round game. I do not think it is this year. Although, like, I'm not going to say my breath on Ole Miss, Tulane. I know Ole Miss blew him off the field already before, but Ole Miss is a tire fire right now. Right? So they have the coaches from LSU are coming back to dot diagram the offense for Ole Miss and actually like John Sumrall, it's like they've played him once. They know exactly what they can and can't do against them. It's like, okay, well, you got blown up by Ole Miss. You have no shot. It's like, well, actually they hopefully gathered a lot of information Tulane did. So anyway, I find it so.
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I don't even know what the right word is, but it's, it's, it's the same thing that people complain about with the NCAA basketball tournament when they want to keep adding more at large spots for the big conferences and like reducing what it means to the conference champs or the smaller conferences. And everybody complains about that. Right? But somehow we're all on the side of Notre Dame here, that Notre Dame is the aggrieved party and JMU is, is the, is the, the perpetrator here. I, I find it so odd. For real, Skip Bayless, who is just the blowhardiest of all blowhards, was like chiming in. And then Jerry DiNardo is retweeting it. Skip Bayless jumping in, complaining that Notre Dame and Vander, his alma mater, didn't get in when Tulane and James Madison did. And Tulane and James Madison can't win the national championship and Notre Dame and Vanderbilt could. That's not the discussion. First of all, Skip Bayless has half a brain. I'm not even sure if it's down to a third of a brain right now. So if you're a college football person, don't retweet Skip Bayless. It's right. It's like retweeting a screaming goat. If a screaming goat accidentally baz the word Vanderbilt, that doesn't make it a valid opinion. So it's nothing. Stop retweeting it. But, like, that can't be your serious discussion about this. How dare we leave out Vanderbilt and Notre Dame? If you are a true fan of college football, your opinion on that is objectively wrong. Because we're getting in the seven, eight best teams for sure. Then we're having a fight for 9 and 10. And I'm sorry, 11 got left out. That's what everybody wants. Nobody started this conversation saying, God, if we don't get in the 12th best team, I'm done with this sport. Nobody's ever thought that. But now we're supposed to think it in the last 10 days because all of a sudden you didn't like the way the committee talked. You're objectively wrong. If that's your complaint as a college football person.
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I, I think you're right. I mean, I do think there's some wonkiness to the process, though, right? Is there not?
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Like, because the ACC was so bad, like, we're left in a position with, with James Madison getting in when otherwise they wouldn't.
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I'm not saying they didn't earn it.
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Like, everything about James Madison's resume is like, the team shouldn't be in the playoff, except for the fact that the ACC dropped the ball, but also, like.
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If, If Virginia had beaten Duke, it's, It doesn't change the conversation a ton.
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Because I think it would actually change a lot. I think there would be far, far fewer people screaming if Virginia had just beaten Duke and gotten in.
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But, but then I think it shouldn't change the conversation that much because is Virginia going to beat anybody in the first round?
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Like, no, I agree. Like, how much better is Virginia than James Madison? I think is, like, very. A very fair question.
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Yeah. And if Virginia was in the SEC of the Big Ten, they wouldn't get in. Like, it's one of those, like, how much, how much more would Virginia have earned it than jmu? So the problem is that the ACC screwed up its tiebreakers and didn't have very many good teams. Right? So, but, like, but that is such a side discussion to me. Right? So I just, I just, I can't, I just can't stomach the fact that, like, you're going after JMU in tulane because the 11th best team in college football didn't make the playoff. You're. You're, you're cutting out the heart of the sport. Yeah, I think it's a factually wrong argument. Like, and I think I could come on here and I'll address you. Is that like for real now? If you're complaining because the committee let him on, that's not, that's a process, that's not a result complaint.
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Right.
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So if you're really complaining that the 11th best team of the sport being left out is a, is an injustice, you're wrong. So anyway, because we want to provide opportunity, we did provide opportunity, so that's good.
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I will just say I had like how many teams repeated by year? A bunch of teams like there are always some repeat teams in the past and they're just not that many right now. I think that's good. Here's another thing that I think is good. This is point number two. A lot of people have looked at the fact that the the preseason polls were so wrong and I think the conclusion they draw from that is preseason polls shouldn't exist. College football voters are stupid, right? When actually I think the conclusion you should draw from the preseason polls being so wrong and Texas and Penn State and Clemson, not teams that we expected. Isn't that a wonderful surprise and that this sport can still surprise you and this sport is not about the same teams year after year. And again, whether like people generally had a perception that Texas, Penn State and Clemson as previously successful programs who appeared to have talented players, good coaches and were invested in winning. All of those things were lined up for Clemson, Penn State and Texas to be good. Whether and then so whether or not there was a preseason poll, people would have thought general college football fans would have thought I Think Texas, Penn State and Clemson are going to be pretty good, Right? So let's not get bogged down in what the actual ratings were. That's a unanimous perception. That was wrong. And then the fact that all those teams were ranked high in the preseason did not help them at the end of the year, Texas didn't get in. Texas being number one and nine and three wasn't good enough. So we get bogged down and like, stupid polls. I hate preseason polls. It's like, what a wonderful surprise this sport is. In the preseason, you and I agreed on eight of the 12 playoff teams. There was consensus about who the best teams in the sport were. We were right about three of those eight. Five of the teams that we agreed on didn't make it. That's not the point of that isn't. Doug and Bill are stupid. Maybe it is, but it's. Well, maybe.
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Well, maybe true. Yeah.
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The point is, what a surprising sport that there can be teams that seem to have every advantage in resources, in coaching salaries, in recruiting, in experience, in schedule, and that they are perceived as a consensus playoff team and fewer than half of them made it. Wow. How about this sport? So can we please evaluate that the right way? That's not a negative. That's a positive.
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It's just. Yeah, no, I agree with that, too. It's very sort of funny to me that people.
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Especially college football media, I think we're talking about, like, say, like, the thing they love most about college football is that it's, like, chaotic and weird and imperfect and unpredictable. And then when two of the three national title favorites are playing each other in a pinstripe ball.
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They don't embrace that idea. It's more indicative if there's something wrong with the sport or we need to abolish tent poles in the sport because they were wrong in the precinct. It's like, no, like, it was just. It was wrong and that's okay. And, like, let's have some fun with it. Like, I don't know why there is an element of this, like, college football. I think, like, while serious big business, does, like, tend to take itself a little too seriously?
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People love to complain about preseason rankings. Did the preseason rankings have any negative effect on the sport? Did anything that happened in the final rankings, was it influenced by the preseason rankings?
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No.
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No. Like, maybe the idea that Ohio State was ahead of Indiana the whole year, maybe. Right. When they were the two undefeated teams and Indiana had the win at Oregon. Could you have argued that Indiana should be ranked ahead of Ohio State? You certainly could have argued that. Guess what happened in the end? They played each other in Indiana one and Indiana's number one in the one seed in the playoff. So it worked itself out. So it's fine.
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Yeah.
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So, like, what are you. So that's a common. We're going to have it again next year when, like, the, the, the preseason poll haters come out. No effect. And actually, it's quite an interesting way to evaluate the sport and appreciate the surprise because we have something by which to judge the surprise. So again, we take a thing that is actually interesting and good and turn it into one giant gripe because it's college football and we have to complain about the thing we love. I want to celebrate the thing we love and complain about the idiots that talk about it.
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Is that better? That's better. It's better. Go college football. Cram it, analysts. Okay.
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Section number three.
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I would you agree that the number one thing that people were worried about and expanding the playoff from four to 12 was devaluing the regular season?
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Yeah.
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Do you think the regular season has been devalued?
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I mean, some. Yeah, I think it's. I think it's more like circumstantial than it is holistic. But there are, There are some elements of the regular season that I do think have been devalued a little bit.
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I made A list of 39 regular season games that had absolute playoff implications. Well, and I didn't. And I didn't. And I, like, played it close to the vest. I didn't. I didn't even go hard. And there was at least one every single week of the regular season. And the most consequential regular season game of the year as it related to the playoff happened in week one. And there are people who sit and think and watch the sport and wonder if it matters. And the most important game of the season was Miami and Notre Dame.
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B
Yeah, I do think, like.
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When I say, like, some instances of it have been, like, devalued a little bit. Like, I think of, like the Ohio State, Michigan game. Right. Doesn't have the same stakes as it used to, or it's not guaranteed to always have the same stakes that it had. Right. Of course it had stakes for Michigan this year. If Michigan would have won, it would have been the playoff. But for Ohio State, it didn't really. Whatever happened in that game really did nothing to alter its trajectory other than maybe knocking it out of a buy but still having a home game. So, like, that. That's the kind of thing that you Lose a little bit. But there's probably more in the other column. Like all the stuff you're talking about. Those 30, what you said 39. Those 39 games that didn't have any meaning, like, relative to the postseason whatsoever prior to this probably do balance that out in a little bit in a way that, that probably overall does not lessen the. The regular season all that much.
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I would argue It's. It's 100 on this side and one on this side that actually I would take. You are making Utah, BYU matter in a way that in a 14 playoff, it never mattered. And I think, again, if through an Ohio State lens, the only teams through which is. It's like Ohio State and Georgia, you know, it's like. It's like the three best teams each year. It doesn't matter as much because you're so good. You would have gotten in with another loss or two. But that applies. That literally applies to, like, three teams this year. Meanwhile, there are probably 20 teams who, with one more win or one more loss, you change one result, you change their playoff fate. And so I. I think that. I think it is not even close. Yeah, because every other time it was like, in a 14 playoff, if you lose once, you're on the fence, and if you lose twice, you're out. And then everything else doesn't matter the rest of the year. And there are other teams that it's like, well, like, even if you went undefeated, you might not get in. So you could argue none of your regular season games mattered. And I just think, like, time after time as we look back, I hope we carry this with us and the realization that we are watching in real time playoff games. In week eight, we are watching playoff games. In week five, we are watching playoff games. In week 12, we are watching winning in, losing out games for the playoff because it is a bloodbath for spots.
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Six through 11. And when you look at this, I'm not going to read the 39. That's not good podcasting, right?
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Is it? No.
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B
All 39. Go ahead. You can do it quick. Yeah.
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Let'S do a quick vote. Can we do an instant vote from the. From the audience? Do you want to. Let's see how fast I could do. If I get to, like, 17 and it's going slow, we'll bag it. All right. Week one, Ohio State, Texas, you thought both were in. No matter what, it turns out if Texas had beaten Ohio State, they'd be in. They lost to Ohio State. They're out. Week one, Alabama, Florida State, it Almost kept Bama out. It didn't, but it mattered because if Bama had beaten Florida State, there's no discussion about Bama. They're clearly in Notre Dame, Miami. It's the most consequential game of the regular season that Miami beat Notre Dame. Week two, Oklahoma. Michigan. Huge for Oklahoma getting in. And if Michigan had won, Michigan's right at the two loss discussion that Oklahoma got in. I don't think it's quite winning in, loser out, but it's close. Week 3 Georgia. Tennessee. Georgia. Miracle comeback against Tennessee. Tennessee finishes 8 and 4. If they have a win over Georgia at 9 and 3, they're making the same argument Texas is. They're on the edge of the discussion and all of a sudden you add another loss to Georgia. It changes who's in the SEC title game. Very consequential. Week three, Texas A and M. Notre Dame. If Notre Dame beats Texas A and M, instead of losing by a point, Notre dame's in. Week four, Indiana, Illinois. Illinois was number nine going into that game. Indiana was 19. Indiana puts up 60. They announced themselves as what they're going to be. Was it like a winning in or a loser out? But it changed the complex of the discussion. The college football season of Week 4. Week 4 Oklahoma, Auburn. Auburn got screwed by the refs. If they had beaten Oklahoma, Oklahoma would be out. Texas Tech, Utah. Week four, Texas Tech kind of takes it to Utah. But if Utah had beaten Texas Tech there, Utah would have been in the Big 12 title game instead of Texas Tech. Hugely influential in week four. Week five Oregon. Penn State kills. Penn State propels Oregon. Is it like a win and in? No, but it really mattered to the story of the season. Week 5 Ole Miss, LSU. Ole Miss wins, gets propelled. Trinidad Chambers has to complete a fourth and three pass in the final two minutes to put that game away. If Ole Miss loses, that game completely changes the conversation about Ole Miss. They'd be a two loss team that'll be on the edge of being out. Instead, they're in. LSU ends up firing his coach. Week five, Alabama, Georgia. Alabama beats Georgia. If Alabama doesn't beat Georgia there, Alabama doesn't make it. Week 5, Illinois, USC. Illinois wins at a last second field goal. If USC wins that game, they're in the playoff discussion the whole year. Instead they're not. Week six, Florida, Texas. Texas lost to Florida. That's what kept them out. Week six, Vandy, Bama. Bama won. Vandy lost. Flip those results. Vandy's in, Bama's out. Week seven, Indiana, Oregon. Both Would still be in. But it determines who's going to play for the Big Ten championship and who has a chance to be the 1 seed. Indiana. Oregon. Really mattered. Week 8, Louisville, Miami. Miami lost. Put Miami on the edge. If they had beaten Louisville, there's no Notre Dame, Miami discussion the whole year. Instead, it matters to the discussion the whole year. Week 8, Georgia beats Ole Miss again for an SEC title game spot. You flip that Ole misses in the SEC title game, it changes everything. Week 8, Vandy, LSU, Vanderbilt stayed in the playoff race. LSU lost. Killed them. Fire their coach. Week 8, Notre Dame, USC, USC out. Notre Dame stays in the playoff discussion by beating USC. Week 8, BYU, Utah. Utah should have won. Went for fourth down too many times, didn't make it. BYU makes the Big 12 title game. Utah doesn't. If that's Utah playing Texas Tech, maybe Utah wins in there in the playoff. Absolutely mattered. Week nine, Virginia, unc. Virginia wins in overtime because UNC goes for two. UNC stinks like hot garbage. But if Virginia loses that, they're suddenly in the playoff tiebreaker in the acc, they might not be in the title game. Changes the complexion of the ACC rage, which matters for the playoff. Week 10, NC State, Georgia Tech, NC State beats Georgia Tech. Changes the ACC. Rat. Should I keep going?
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B
We get it. Yeah, yeah.
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A
You get the picture. Because my point is, it's not only who got in, it's who had a chance to get in. It was who remained in the discussion and who didn't. Who was in the. Who was in the 10 and 2 pool and who was in the 9 and 3 pool. Who fell out, who fell in, who had life, who knew they were done. Because there's this thing. You're in the mix. You're in the discussion. And there are games every single week, Bill, that are eliminating teams from a playoff possibility and keeping teams in a playoff possibility. And we look at Florida, Texas, and say that game mattered for the playoff because Texas lost. But you can also look at every single team with one loss or two losses and then every single game they play. Is that because if you get upset the way Texas did, Texas is really the only team in the mix that lost a game like that. But everybody else could have. If Texas doesn't lose to Florida, they're in. They did lose to Florida, they're out. That means every other team, if they had suffered a Florida like loss, they would have been out. I think the magnitude of how good the regular season is, it's already been taken for granted. Even though we live for most of college football's existence in a world where if you lost once, you were dead. And then we thought, oh, now you can just lose. It's going to be no big deal. No, it's going to make, I think you. I bet you I could find 100 games. Because if you wanted it that way, because you know what mattered, like Oregon, Wisconsin mattered. Because if Oregon would have lost to Wisconsin and falls into the 10 and 2 pool and now is getting compared to Vanderbilt, maybe Oregon's not in. Right. Like all those things, you could apply it and say, well, okay, I'm applying it to all eight regular season Oregon games that they kind of won handily, but what if they didn't? I'm applying it to every single Utah game. I'm applying it to every single Oklahoma game. You could do a version of that because we know upsets exist. So I think we're just, we're creating so much more.
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Urgency around the regular season and I feel like it's been lost. Nobody talks like that's not a discussion point is just, it just exists. But you can't deny how different it is from the world where one loss killed you and that was it. And if you weren't a blue blood, you probably felt like you had no chance no matter what.
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B
I don't think it's talked about that way yet. I do wonder if maybe it'll. It'll change because, you know, the thing that has been happening is like, we're learning about this still, right? I don't, I don't really fault anyone who's still trying to grapple with what, like, what with all this means and like how it does change dynamics within the regular season. But no, like when, when Ohio State beat Texas, the game wasn't talked about that way. When Notre Dame lost to Miami, it wasn't. I do feel like a little Notre Dame lost to A. M. We started to have a little bit of that discussion. Like, is Notre Dame like actually in the second week of the season? And I guess it turned out to be the case. But like the, the conjecture of it all for two and a half months was like, was pretty compelling stuff to figure out, right? So, yeah, I think as we get more, as we get more and more examples of that, maybe, maybe you'll hear less of the regular season doesn't mean anything anymore. Like, I guess, I guess you just have to choose. You have to twist a little bit like what, what meaningful is, I suppose. But it is, it remains meaningful nonetheless. I think it's just like everything in the sport. Right. It's the same thing as the way the roster building's changing and the flat and talent being flattened out a little bit. And like, I don't. I think people are like slowly starting to realize that's happening and what it could mean for the sport, but I don't think it's been entirely embraced. So we're still kind of stuck in this old way of thinking that doesn't apply to the new world of college football.
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So like in the old world, two losses by Notre Dame, they would have been dead. Like, there would have been no so Notre Dame starts 0 and 2. I picked him as my preseason national title pick and that would have been it. You know, Notre Dame's not making a 14 playoff. Okay, so then whatever they're doing, they're just trying to make a good bowl the rest of the year. There's zero urgency to the Notre Dame season. Instead, we got 10 games of urgency to the Notre Dame season and they still got left out. But we didn't know that. We didn't assume that. We thought they were in. But if they had lost one more, you knew they were out. I think that is a spectacular place to be because as we look at the regular season, the two teams who went undefeated in the regular season were in. There were six teams that had one loss in the regular season. Five of those six made it. Texas Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas A M and Georgia made it. BYU did not. There were seven teams who had two losses in the regular season and three of the seven made it.
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Miami, Alabama and Oklahoma. Again, this is regular season losses made it Virginia, Utah, Notre Dame and Vanderbilt did not. Virginia had a chance because they were in their conference title game. If they had won that, they would have been in. But they weren't guaranteed anything. And then Notre Dame, Utah and Vanderbilt, you go back and find it. And then by the way, the discussion about you get penalized for playing good teams. Here are the best wins for the three teams in the the two loss group that made it. Miami beat number 11. Notre Dame is their best win. Alabama beat number three. Georgia for their best win. Oklahoma beat number nine. Alabama for their best win. All right, so we can talk about is the SEC full of mid teams propping each other up or whatever. That's not what this discussion is about. I've had that discussion 100 times. We're looking at the year end playoff rankings. Did you beat somebody that impressed the committee? The three teams that made it did. Notre Dame's best win was against number 16. USC, Utah, Vanderbilt and Virginia did not have a win against a team that finished in the final top 25. So if you want to act like playing a good schedule hurts you, let me show you the two loss blood bath. The three teams with the best individual win got in. The four teams that really didn't have that impressive of a win were left out. Does your schedule strength matter? Does do good wins matter? Do opportunities at good wins matter?
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Yes. So what are we complaining about?
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B
Poor Notre Dame.
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A
If they had one. If they had. And you can only make your schedule. Right. You make your schedule ahead of time, whatever. If pit. If Pitt would have been better if although I, I, I don't know who the banger is on the Notre Dame schedule that you thought like man, I thought they were going to be a top 10 team and they weren't. Right. Can you pull up the Notre Dame schedule? I mean there's a lot of bad teams on there.
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B
Right.
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A
And it's one of those.
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B
Part of Notre Dame's issue is that like a lot of their traditional rivals stink. Yeah. And they still like on one hand it's like I respect it, keep your rivalries alive. On the other hand like it's killing you. So I don't know, I don't know what they're gonna do about that. Notre Dame. So Miami and A and M were good. Boise ended up probably being worse than I thought.
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I mean Pitt ended up being ranked when they played them, which I don't think anybody was expecting. So no, but so the, the non A M and Miami teams Notre Dame played Purdue, Arkansas, Boise, North Carolina State, usc, Boston College, Navy, Pit, Syracuse and Stanford.
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A
So I mean for Notre Dame and Notre Dame obviously is a unique situation, but if Notre Dame had played Ole Miss instead of Arkansas and had played Oregon instead of Purdue and they were 10 and 2, nobody would care about the Miami loss because they'd be in no doubt about it.
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B
It right.
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A
Because they would have played more good teams and had more good wins. So you can sit and say what is the point of playing good teams? There's no reward in it. It's like, yes there is. There is a clear reward in it. And the only reason that Texas was discussed, they're the only three loss team that was discussed possibly as a playoff team, is because they beat a good team in Texas A and M. And if they would have beaten Georgia or beaten Ohio State, they'd be the 5 seed. So to pretend. And as everybody has said, if they had not lost to Florida, they would have been at the top of the two loss group probably so. So everybody again, you can't just repeat the gripes of the aggrieved parties because those people are biased and wrong. But can we as, as unbiased college football analysts please acknowledge that what this sport has landed on with the combination of the regular season and the postseason is spectacular. And I challenge anybody to come on here and dispute that. What, what is the argument of like, ah, they screwed it up. Like the, the regular season stinks, the postseason stinks. And again, if you're bogged down in JMU versus Notre Dame, you're throwing away 134 other teams because your feelings are hurt because you like Touchdown Jesus. Right? Please be realistic.
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No one's coming because they're wrong. Bill is subjective. I think it's objective. I think it's an objective case. This is the facts. I like. I thought it would be a 9 and 3 bloodbath this year. It was a 10 and 2 bloodbath. I think a 10 and 2 bloodbath is right where you want to be. If you're undefeated, you're in like Florida State when undefeated didn't get in. Auburn, whatever. How many years ago undefeated didn't get in? Undefeated power conference teams not getting in is ludicrous. Okay, so we're away from that one loss. You're in pretty good shape. So now you're complaining that everybody got that one loss. And I wish that one loss would have knocked you out. Really? For real? Like that's like that aggravates you to the point that you're mad at the sport, that one loss doesn't kill you. You get one undefeated, you're in. Thank God. One. Okay, you get one Mulligan. Let them lose. Let the young men have a bad Saturday 2. All bets are off. No, I think that's exactly where you want to be. No. What do you think about that? Like where should I think?
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B
Yeah, I think that's right. I don't know. You know, I don't think there'd be a tremendous appetite for a battle of whatever five, nine and three teams for three spots or something like that.
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A
Right.
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B
I'm sure there, there could be years when that happens. Especially now that the s like everyone's going to be playing non nine conference games. Excuse me, but idea tenant two losses feels, feels And I'm also not someone who believes like a three loss team should never make the playoff. I just don't think we want to have a, a group of them vying for it necessarily. Or that would just be like a very, very different reality because they're even. Even in the 14 playoff there were like kind of like two lost teams kind of hovering around the four team playoff.
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A
LSU was.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
A two loss team and made the national title game in a BCS situation in 2007. So.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that, yeah, that feels like a sweet spot to me.
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A
I don't.
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B
Well, you know, I guess unless we expand it, I don't think we'll ever be in a position where we're arguing the merits of four lost teams. And I do think it'll be the rare occasion as long as we're at 12 that even will be arguing the merits of, of a group of three loss teams. There might just be like one like a Texas this year kind of hanging out there, maybe needing, you know, quite a few dominoes to fall for them to get in. I think by and large we'll be talking a lot about, about a lot of 0, 1 and 2 loss teams.
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A
If Texas had the Texas A M win and their losses were to Georgia, Ohio State and Ole Miss instead of Georgia, Ohio State and Florida, I think they might have made it.
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B
Yeah, I think so too.
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A
Yeah, you know that it's like, and then it's like, well we're penalized for losing all these good teams and well, you got a reward for beating a good team. And then like we acknowledge you played a bunch of good teams, but what happened is you were penalized for the bad loss.
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B
Right. And so, and also not playing like.
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How, how you play over the course of the season. I guess it's a matter too you like sort of even independent of the results sometimes. Right. So like Texas is blowing people's doors off. Right. They were playing close games with bad.
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A
Teams all Year they beat Kentucky 16 to 13. Yeah. Which is so again, like, I think so again. I'm just mostly talking to people who have shows that I don't consume, but I just assume they all complain. Is that right? I see enough complaints in my Twitter timeline that I assume everybody in college football is complaining about the sport they cover. So I am firing back on perceived assumptions. And if I'm wrong, then I apologize that I'm not talking about you. If you just did a show where you're like, you know what, that was a banger of a regular season and we got an awesome playoff field, then I'm not talking about you. If you have been complaining in everything that you have written and said since Sunday afternoon.
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I'm aiming for you. And I invite you on this show because in the end you are wrong and this is right. And people who appreciate college football and understand that you want to increase opportunity without rewarding mediocrity. We are there, mama. We are right there. And I just would like to hear the argument that we're not.
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So do you want to solve college football with a rapid fire? Fix this.
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B
Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Are we good with the four buys? As it stands, as long as it's a 12 team field, the way the buys are distributed, it's not conference chances for the four best records. We good with that?
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B
I am good with that. Yeah. I don't. Look, what's the alternative? What we had last year sucked and look what were the other. Is the other alternative just give the four buys to the four power conference champions? Maybe, but we can't do that because sometimes the power conference champion won't make it. Yep.
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A
Okay, so we're good with that. Stay at 12. Feels like that's where we are for now. I could stomach 16, but I like 12.
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B
I like 12.
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A
16.
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B
16. No, no buys, right?
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A
No, but no buys.
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B
Yeah. And 24, certainly. No, no buy. Yeah, I like, I like 12. I like there being a little bit of like a baked in reward for the teams at the top of the rankings that still kind of play for while the midfield kind of dukes it out for those, for those home games. So I like, yeah, I like that structure.
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A
I know there, there are people who like eight, Right. And so, you know, I, I, I, I wouldn't have a huge argument with somebody like the top eight. Indiana, Ohio State, Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas A and M, Oklahoma. So you just sort of like you eliminate the Alabama, Miami, Notre Dame argument by saying there's not room for any of you, but also in that 8, I still think you would want to represent the G5. So now you're down to 7, right? So like I, if you are hell bent on eight, I, I would not try to dissuade you from that. I don't think 12 is vastly different from 8. And I figure it feels like we're drawing the line at about the same spot. So in that world, we're letting.
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One of the two lost teams in instead of two instead of three. So like Oklahoma's in, you're still letting a two loss team in, Oklahoma's in. So you have a bloodbath for one two loss spot instead of Miami, Alabama and Oklahoma all getting in.
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B
So anyway, I think with a two, with the way the sports headed, you're gonna find, you're gonna find yourself with a lot of two loss teams to sort through if you, if you cut it down.
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A
So I think 8 and 12 is one of those. We'd be like on the floor of the college football convention and the, the eight truth. There's in the 12 truthers would eventually like compromise and have a compromised candidate. I'm watching that lightning show now, which is why I'm thinking about political.
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B
Oh yeah.
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A
So good. Oh my God, it's so good.
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I can't. I'm gonna talk about it later on another show. My.
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God, does James Garfield make me proud to live in Ohio? What a stud that guy is. And don't you think the way that Michael Shannon is portraying James Garfield, he's kind of playing James Garfield like he's a little bit more serious. David Letterman.
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B
Oh, is that just the beard though? Because Letterman's old and look. Yeah, yeah, but it's a little bit.
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A
Like that flat Midwestern accent kind of thing. Like, like, Anyway. Oh, so we'd compromise. We'd find a compromise candidate. The gentleman from the eight team playoff nominates Bill Landis from you. Like, we'd be all there together. Okay, what's the next thing we good with? The G5 getting in? Like, does the G5 deserve at least one spot?
- [48:18]
B
Yeah, I'm good with the G5, kid. The only thing honestly that makes me like pro playoff expansion is that I would wouldn't mind a playoff where every conference champion got in. So like I'm, I'm always pro G5 getting or G6, whatever it's going to be.
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A
So I, I do find that to be ludicrous because I just don't think that there are. Because now you're creating. So if people are complaining about two first round games that are 20 point spreads. Now you have five and.
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B
And really each other.
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A
Oh, so you want to do like a play in round. You want to play the. The G5 teams playing Dayton?
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's what you're talking about?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Oh, I don't have a lot of people Talked about the G5 teams playing in Dayton.
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B
No. Are there enough? Yeah, because there's. Yeah. Well, I guess there's. Yeah.
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A
You could do it. There's gonna be six when the pack 12 gets to full throatedness next year.
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If you want to get to a 16 team playoff.
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With three G5 spots and 13 for the Power Conference. And the three is G6 spots. The three G6 spots come from a play in tournament of the six G6 champs playing each other in a play in round. I'm not against that.
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B
Yeah. And you could like whatever. Develop a G6 subcommittee to rank the team to see the teams. Yeah.
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A
And that then like you're. You're creating a world where those top four teams that currently get buys now have to play a first round game. But the top three seeds are playing a G6 team. That's kind of like half a buy. No offense.
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That I can get my head around. I do just do not want like five. I don't want six games. So there's no. I don't.
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B
I wouldn't want that either. Yeah.
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A
Committee is like, oh, here's the perfect bracket. Kennesaw State versus Georgia. This is the true field. It's like what are we doing? Like, that's not, that's not the point of this. Because now you're just playing extra games. Just to like, I think you want to create opportunity, but like six games like that is ludicrous. If it's three and a 16 team field, I'm okay with it. So. So you've, you've open my mind.
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B
State against Western Michigan for the right to play Georgia is what.
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A
Yes.
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B
We're talking about. Yeah.
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A
100.
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B
Yeah.
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A
No, you want to go to that game in Dayton? Oh, well, yeah, we could. We'll live broadcast from that. Okay, so like, somewhere in this. But like, but have the G5, the G6 represented anybody who's like, just get them out. Because Hannah, somebody else tweeted it today. Somebody else that Jerry, Jared is going crazy and he can come on the show. I think Jared and I was a wonderful football analyst and certainly he knows more about the sport than I do because he was a coach. I think he's off his rocker on this. I don't know why he's so offended, because again, the idea that, like, how dare we have anything other than the 12 best teams? There's not a single sport in the world that exists that way. The NFL is not going to have the 12 best teams. They're not. They're not going to have the 12 best teams because they have groups and you win your group and you're in and there's gonna be some winner of a group that is, that's going to make the playoff and not actually be one of the 14 best teams, but they're going to be in anyway. Somebody has to win the NFC south and no one's going to be stomping around when the Carolina Panthers are in the playoff and the Kansas City Chiefs are not. No one's going to be retweeting people saying, how dare they do this? How dare they not have the 14 best teams in the NFL. The Chiefs are absolutely one of them. Why do we have Carolina in the playoffs? This is ludicrous. Nobody is going to say that that's the exact comparison for this.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And to stomp around and pretend that other sports put in the best teams at all costs is factually, objectively incorrect. Your point is invalid.
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Change the tiebreakers for conferences to, like, just make them line up with playoff stuff a little bit more instead of having it be like conference, conference, opponent, record, like. Right.
- [52:54]
B
It's too messy. Yeah, no, I, I like.
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It's not that the committee rankings are, are perfect, but it's probably the best solution of what we have available to us. Like the, the. We have five teams tied for second place. Let's go. Let's go to the computers and then like the ACC title game is Duke with four losses. Like no, like we don't, we don't need that to happen. So I, I would prefer to just kind of do it if not entirely in lockstep with the playoff rankings like, like something close to it so that the conference championship games actually stand a chance of spitting out a team into the playoff and rather than what we just had happen.
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A
And then I actually like that because then it makes your non conference games matter because it's like your conference games are what determines the standings. But if you get in a tie, how you did in the non conference.
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B
Is determining can improve your rating.
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A
It's, it's what you're not. Who, how much did you win in the non conference and who did you play and who did you beat?
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B
Because yeah, that would encourage, that would encourage better scheduling in theory. Right?
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A
Yeah. And also by the way, if that's what you're going by at the end of the season because everyone's trying to make the playoffs, so then make the playoff the thing. So like we're not saying so that needs to be a change, but I think that's the clear change and I don't know why any conference would not adjust to that this off season immediately. And we will ask any conference commissioner that we come across and have the opportunity to ask about and then the ranking show, which is the number one thing that people are mad about. I know there's TV contracts and stuff and whatever. I just also think that we all just do we not all have things in our lives that are annoyances that we can't get rid of. And so then what you have to do is like just be like, I'm not going to be as annoyed by that. I know there is the neighbor's dog. The neighbor's dog never stops barking. I can continue to call my neighbor. I can continue to yell at the dog every time I go out and get in my car in the driveway. Or, or I can just accept that that dog is going to be barking and then it's going to be over and I'm going to go off my life. The committee is going to have a show on Tuesday night. We know they're going to maybe change their mind by the end of the year.
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Can we maybe ignore them?
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Like yeah, like just we. They don't. They only have as much power over us as we give them. So we are very interested in it. So okay, we'll take the first one as a guideline and then we Just all admit to ourselves we'll see at the end of the year. And we know that they very well could change their minds. But it feels like Notre Dame got sucked in and Notre Dame's like, our feelings got hurt. And like Dan Wetzel, I think wrote a combo is making the point of like, you should have been prepared for this. So I just think it's. We are, we are waiting for ESPN to give up whatever amount of ratings they get as part of a contract. We're demanding that that happens. We can collectively, as college football media and college football fans, more importantly, understand that it is a error filled, puffed up TV show. I used to watch the show Girls.
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When I got to the point in watching the show Girls, which I understand was never intended for me anyway, where every week I was rooting for every character to be hit by an asteroid, I stopped watching. If you are rooting every time when that committee chair comes on to talk to Reese Davis and you want to punch your tv, just stop listening to them. And I think we might have to solve this ourselves rather than waiting for the committee and the ESPN people to solve it for us. Is that okay?
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B
I think that's okay. Yeah, I do. I wonder. They're not going to stop doing it, but we. Did we not have a conversation a couple weeks ago about whether they should and I can't remember when we did. If we, if we talked about just having like whatever the Joe Leonardi of college football and the Jerry Palm of college football, just do the bracketology thing and we can talk about that and people can still get content out of it, but it's not taken as gospel in a way that confuses everybody and makes everybody angry at the end. I think we can maybe do it that way.
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A
So I, I think the bigger issue is not that they are saying it, it's that we're listening to it and that we're in control of. You're in control of that as athletic directors, as coaches, as programs, as fans, as media members. Just because they say it doesn't mean we have to pay attention to it. So I think it will affect how we go about things. It's a guide. Hey, I wonder think. But like, what's the point of yelling at them? They're. They're not very good at it. But there's plenty. It's. We're yelling at a TV show. There are thousands of terrible TV shows that stay on the air. Stop watching.
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B
Do you think if we just ignored them and then stopped getting on the conference call, they would Stop doing it. Maybe in the second week of the rankings next year, they fire up the conference call and there's nobody on it.
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A
Would you like to lead the movement for college football media to ignore? That would be.
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B
Actually, the FWAA has to get. Has to. Has to do that.
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A
As a former president of the fwaa, I would certainly back the idea to ignore the committee until they get right. All right. Let me throw my weight around.
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If I had weight.
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Let me smoke my fake cigarette and solve this problem. Bill Landis. Oh, my. But here's the other thing. It's like one of those things. As soon as, like, the real media don't get on, it's the. The I told media is going to show up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And be like, oh.
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B
Market insider. Insiders are going to be on there.
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A
Hunter, you're a chick. Told me exclusively on a conference call, of which I was the only participant that Notre Dame and Miami have not yet been compared. Oh, please, read my blog. I've been told. All right. You know what's good? Ball. It was a great regular season. A lot of games were interesting and mattered. We got a bunch of good teams in the playoff, and we didn't leave any great teams out. We didn't. I think Notre Dame could have won the national championship. They lost two games. I don't know what else to tell them. Sorry. So stuff happens. But we didn't boot them immediately. We talked about Notre Dame all year. They played hard. Congratulations to them. And it's again, like, I just don't. If you cover Notre Dame, I completely get it. If you're a general national college person. Like, I don't want to spend an hour on Notre Dame. Declined a bowl invite. Fine.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Great.
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How does it affect you at all?
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B
Apologies to Pop Tarts. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. By the way, what's. There's a couple bangers. Pop Tarts is byu, Georgia Tech.
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B
I think. That's right. The one I'm most excited for is the Citrus Bowl. I think it is Texas, Michigan.
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A
Yeah. Utah, Nebraska. Like, there's. There's enough that I'm.
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B
I'm fired up for Nebraska.
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A
Maybe. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Devin Dampier in your life. Come on. They have no quarterback and they fired their D.C. what are we doing here? All right. I feel good about this. I feel good about an exciting college football season that we've had since August 30th and that we will continue to have until January 19th. And so I'm not going to complain, as always. I'm only going to complain about the media and about the complainers. Yeah, it's my specialty.
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Remember how you said like media, like newspapers used to have media columns? What a great deal. Like if you were. When I worked at the Cleveland Plain Dealer when I first started there, they had a guy who wrote like four times a week that was like a tidbits guy. And a lot of it was like ripping the media. I was like, oh, God, I was born 20 years too late. Can you imagine if I was a rip in the media? Media critic of sports media. Oh my.
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B
You can freelance for awful announcing.
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A
What if I freelance for the Bill and Doug Show? What if I start writing a twice a month media column?
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B
Here's the thing about the Bill and Doug show on our substack page, billandduckosu.subset.com we own it and you can do whatever you want.
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A
I have to clear it with the chief content officer who's still a little bit upset with me because I yell at an old man with a 7 up. So I'm on thin ice right now.
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No, but there's. I am aware of, and I've said this to other people, I am aware of the idea that you could leave me at any point. And I do not want to give you that opportunity because the idea of I can't work with this guy anymore is definitely on the table. So me writing a media column that just rips everybody else. And then we're like, hey, you want to come on our show?
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We'll talk it out. All right. Thanks to you guys for being here. Guess what's great? College football. We're looking forward to the playoff if you want to join us. I'm not going to sell you anything after I yell at everybody. We have. Sure. We'll go to roback.com use BAD20 as a code. Come join us on Substack. Bill and Doug. Osu.substack.com Like subscribe, tell a friend about the Bill of Doug Show. We're just having a good time because we want you to have a good time in an awesome sport. He's the Landis. I'm Doug Lee Maurice. And that was the Bill and Doug Show.
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B
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A
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B
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A
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B
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A
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